WEBVTT - We Stand For DEI with Dr Shaun Harper

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<v Speaker 1>That's how.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the family. It's your girl to me, Kaze Mallory.

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<v Speaker 3>It's your boy, my son.

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<v Speaker 1>And gentlemen, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Are your host of street politicians, the place where the

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<v Speaker 2>streets and politics met. Are you doing my song? We

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot to get done today.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, man, I'm doing Guard's work and I'm a child

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<v Speaker 3>of God. Shout out to my boy Robbie Rod for

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<v Speaker 3>the shirt. See that child of Gods.

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<v Speaker 1>They glowing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're outside, that's very very where we were. We nice. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you started talking about children, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>our first topic today is something that is It's really troubling.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote up my Facebook page the other day that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get Fenton All. I get all the drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Some of them I did when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them my friends did. We hung out people

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<v Speaker 2>who did all types of stuff, and I get it right,

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<v Speaker 2>even though, of course, now at this big age, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized we probably could have died, and or people even

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<v Speaker 2>today who are still taking like I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>those drugs ecstasy, and I don't even know if they

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<v Speaker 2>make that stuff anymore, but the Mali's and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty dangerous mixture of a bunch of different drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>But most people made it home alive by the skin

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<v Speaker 2>of their teeth. But they've made it home a lot

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<v Speaker 2>pretty bad shit, right. I know many family members and

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<v Speaker 2>friends who were on drugs as kids or younger teens

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<v Speaker 2>or what have you, and they got themselves straightened out

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<v Speaker 2>later on, maybe in their twenties or thirties, and now

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<v Speaker 2>it's as if that thing, whatever it was, is not

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<v Speaker 2>even there. And I will say it's just one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is true, though, that your body does experience some

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<v Speaker 2>shift somewhere as a result of the overuse of any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of drug. Definitely, so people who smoke a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of weed, that there is a mental slowdown that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and other issues that you learn about as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure from my drug abuse of prescription pills,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there is something that when I'm eighty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I will learn there was an impact. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to get into make it seem like if you

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<v Speaker 2>used it when you was young, you good now. There

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<v Speaker 2>are people who are dealing with issues, sometimes severe, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>not so severe, but they do know or they have

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<v Speaker 2>been told at a doctor's appointment that as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of the use of this drug, it has impacted you

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<v Speaker 2>an X y Z way. So all of it is bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of it. We need to be real careful

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<v Speaker 2>about what you're putting in your body, especially shit that's

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<v Speaker 2>man made from the pharmaceutical companies to the street to

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<v Speaker 2>street corners, right. So I just want to make that

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<v Speaker 2>as a disclaimer. But the fentanyl thing, I don't be

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<v Speaker 2>getting because every time I turn around, the people are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about their dying. So I post it on my page.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get fentanyl now. I know it is a

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<v Speaker 2>drug that is supposed to be used for severe pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that severe severe pain. And it's also something

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<v Speaker 2>that is administered when someone is close to the end,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's an end of life, and they say that

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<v Speaker 2>when a doctor is giving it to you. For some

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<v Speaker 2>people it is very necessary, right. But somehow or another,

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<v Speaker 2>it made it into the hands of Tink Tink them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, oh Billy Bob, and they are putting it

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<v Speaker 2>in all kinds of other drugs and using fentanyl, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's killing people literally left and right, of all racial backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, I think it's like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Heroin did kill people. I'm not saying it didn't, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there are stats somewhere that talks about how

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably one of the worst drugs. I get it. However,

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, fentanyl deaths out weighed heroin even

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<v Speaker 2>with people using it at the same rate. One hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people. This is what's from the BBC. One hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people died from fentonyl use. And in the article,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to understand it might just be my

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<v Speaker 2>aded is it a small location or was it nationally?

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<v Speaker 2>But it was they was. You know, sometimes you read

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<v Speaker 2>these articles and they it's for super smart people because

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be saying things and you kind of get mixed.

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<v Speaker 2>So I couldn't figure it out, so I sent it

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody to tell me what I'm reading, right if

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<v Speaker 2>they but they were specifically talking about even heroin, they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't saying heroin is good. They're saying heroin is dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>as hell. But they're saying that it is even worse. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there is the stress and the desire

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<v Speaker 2>to get higher or lower or whatever. I hear all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched documentaries, but I'm just really trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>if you are even a drug dealer, why would you

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<v Speaker 2>want to sell something to kill the people that tell

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<v Speaker 2>the dying. I think that I am. I am confused

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<v Speaker 2>about the fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I ain't gonna lie. You got they got me too,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just as confused with heroin all of the Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I hear what you're saying, But to me, I never

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<v Speaker 3>seen somebody that was on the heroin look good. It's true,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I never seen them look healthy. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how you look at somebody that's taking heroin and

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<v Speaker 3>be like, oh shit, yeah this is all I want you.

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<v Speaker 3>And and fetanol. I don't even know what somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>takes fentanyl looks like, because most of the time you

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<v Speaker 3>hear about them, they dad. So it's like to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's we are. We are in a society where we

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<v Speaker 3>it's oxymoronic. We celebrate the ship that's most dangerous to us,

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<v Speaker 3>that's most detrimental to us, Like we've rationalized the shit

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<v Speaker 3>that's gonna kill us. You know, I was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 3>why would you know I have posted son about Nicki

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<v Speaker 3>Minaj and them, you know, and the situation, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about it and I said, why would two

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<v Speaker 3>multi millionaire people be beefing with situations that can get

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<v Speaker 3>you killed or go to jail. And the dude was like, yo, man,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, he said, you don't know what he said

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<v Speaker 3>to her, said, so you're trying to tell me that

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<v Speaker 3>there was a word that somebody said that you said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm gonna throw away all of these

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars and my freedom and possibly my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And you rationalize that at a big age you're grown,

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<v Speaker 3>not no, fifteen sixteen where you know, thirteen for where

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<v Speaker 3>that makes sense to you, where you like that's the

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<v Speaker 3>grown age, like grown or pushing this It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, it's like I don't even understand. So it

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<v Speaker 3>goes hand in hand with this situation like and in

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<v Speaker 3>mind people's mind is like I want to do the worship.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to put myself close to as possible. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to I want to either die or almost feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm dying right Like it's the weirdest shit that

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever we had a time, like everybody always says, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen nothing like this, And my mother used

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<v Speaker 3>to say it, but and now I get it. If

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<v Speaker 3>we were anywhere like this generation and the shit that

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<v Speaker 3>I see now. I realized why he was really confused,

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<v Speaker 3>because I can't even make sense of the shit can't

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<v Speaker 3>I can't make And I pride myself on being someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's rational, who you know, deals with common sense. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand why that happened, even though it might

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<v Speaker 3>not be good to everybody. I kind of understand this

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<v Speaker 3>shit I don't get for the life of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Fence and all is really one of those things that

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<v Speaker 2>has and I want to give. I want to give,

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<v Speaker 2>and we should you know what we should interview him

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<v Speaker 2>Stefante Clark Stefan Clark's brother. So you know, when families

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<v Speaker 2>experience police violence or some other traumatic situation, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times people think they're going to just stay on

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<v Speaker 2>police issues. But Stefante is growing in his activism and

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<v Speaker 2>I see him talking more. His brother was killed by police.

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<v Speaker 2>Just for folks who don't know. His brother was going

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<v Speaker 2>into his grandmother's house, his grandparents' house, and he jumped

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<v Speaker 2>over a fence. This was in California. He jumped over

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<v Speaker 2>the fence, which is probably you know, Grandma would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>listen at night, I don't have my hearing aiden or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being funny about that part, but I can't hear

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the front. So you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get in, you got to jump over this gate and

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<v Speaker 2>come to the back window. That's been going on since forever.

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<v Speaker 2>The police saw him jumping across the gate, told him,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess to put his hands up, which he did

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<v Speaker 2>based upon the findings, didn't have a weapon. They shot

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<v Speaker 2>him to death in his grandmother's yard. So Fonte, his brother,

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<v Speaker 2>has been an activist since you know his brother's passing,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, fighting for justice for his brother, also working

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<v Speaker 2>with other families, showing up and being a support system

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<v Speaker 2>for people around the country. But I noticed that as

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<v Speaker 2>of late, he has been talking a lot about fentanyl

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<v Speaker 2>abuse and engaging in the movement to try to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>fentanyl usage in his community and around the country. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, Wow, for Stefonte to go from

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<v Speaker 2>what we know him for to this right here, it

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<v Speaker 2>means that he sees a serious and desperate need to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved in this issue. And they just dropped in

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<v Speaker 2>a station, just dropped into our chat here that fentanyl

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<v Speaker 2>is up to fifty times stronger than hero and one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred times stronger than morphine. So to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the point, I'm not saying that you don't die, because

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<v Speaker 2>I know people was on crack. They died a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of crackheads that or people who use crack, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we supposed to call them cracked heads. But people who

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<v Speaker 2>use crack and they well whatever, they died. Cocaine addicted

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<v Speaker 2>people who that hit messed them up, messed up their membranes,

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<v Speaker 2>and they died. So we know that people who smoke

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<v Speaker 2>weed every day something the weed doesn't go well, and

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<v Speaker 2>they got sick and had internal issues and died. Not

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<v Speaker 2>as many, of course, of any of those things. But

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<v Speaker 2>still it's bad. The overusge of anything or dangerous, especially

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<v Speaker 2>man made drugs. Anything can happen. But fenton All, they're

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's up to fifty times stronger than heroin fifty times.

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<v Speaker 2>I just ain't gonna give it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You going through severe mental health issues, even though you

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<v Speaker 2>might not know it and you may not identify with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you choose to take fenton All, which you

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<v Speaker 2>see it on the news every day, they telling you

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<v Speaker 2>that it could kill you quick. Some wrong you numbing

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<v Speaker 2>something that is so deep, or you a child who

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<v Speaker 2>is really misguided. I don't always understand or I don't

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<v Speaker 2>always take into account. I do understand the power of

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<v Speaker 2>my influence and my platform, but I don't always take

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<v Speaker 2>it into accounts sometimes when I say things. So I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a post because it was in my heart. And

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<v Speaker 2>the post that I wrote was about Krishan Brock, And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why I wrote it publicly was because when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in my rabbit hole at two and three o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, when I can't sleep, or one o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, I will go to certain posts, certain

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<v Speaker 2>places and just kind of try to get a feel

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<v Speaker 2>for what's going on in the cold because all day

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<v Speaker 2>long there's like no way to monitor comments and thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>and look at the feed of every blog. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that type of time, So I usually do that

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm narrowing the day down, and I kept seeing

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<v Speaker 2>like I cannot get Blue Face and Krashan Rock off

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<v Speaker 2>of my timeline. So no matter if I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>ignore it or not, it is ever present in your

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<v Speaker 2>face all day long, even in this day that we

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<v Speaker 2>sit here now, from the morning until now at one

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight, there have been at least five to six

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<v Speaker 2>posts about them, okay, different things. What he said was

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<v Speaker 2>she said with this, that and the third the doctor's appointment,

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<v Speaker 2>the blah blah blah blah blah, all the stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. And I saw it and said to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like really serious because that that baby does something.

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<v Speaker 2>It shifts people, you know what I'm saying. When it

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<v Speaker 2>was just the two of them, I prayed for them,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless you and moved on. I said, I know

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<v Speaker 2>this is crazy, and we talked about it before. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is zeus and who owns it? And what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on? This is craziness, But I've moved on because

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<v Speaker 2>there's an appetite for it and nothing. All that comes

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<v Speaker 2>of me saying that you know it's bad or it's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong or whatever is a bunch of people getting frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>and telling me to mind my business. And you don't

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<v Speaker 2>this and you would hate blah blah blah. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have time to fight that fight. I gotta stop

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<v Speaker 2>a man from becoming governor and to tell me we

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<v Speaker 2>have to do that. So when I saw this situation

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<v Speaker 2>with the baby, it made me feel something. And at

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<v Speaker 2>first I felt the immediate like, what the fuck? You

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<v Speaker 2>know that? Which is judgment is judgment? And then what

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<v Speaker 2>I always try to do is sit with myself for

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<v Speaker 2>a moment, especially when I'm thinking about younger people. And

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<v Speaker 2>I got this somewhat from you when you said you

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<v Speaker 2>always try to think of what does the young you

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear or what would you have listened to?

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of slowed down and sat with damn,

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<v Speaker 2>remember this, remember that remembering stories when I was young,

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<v Speaker 2>young with my baby, I might not have been as

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<v Speaker 2>far to the left as what you see with the

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<v Speaker 2>two of them. But also everything looked magnified and worse.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's on social media or in front of a screen,

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<v Speaker 2>every day looks worse. So my same shit, the basements

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<v Speaker 2>that I lived in, the craziness, the fighting with my

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<v Speaker 2>baby father, all of the drama that I went through,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was on TV or on social media, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have looked very similar. The screaming, the yelling, the fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>the carrying on with my son being there with us

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<v Speaker 2>at times, it would have looked similar. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>checked myself in that way, I begin to write. I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to Yande about it first. She was like, girls

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<v Speaker 2>been on my mind too, blah blah blah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I begin to write and so I posted it and

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<v Speaker 2>then it ended up on this blog and that blog,

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<v Speaker 2>in this place and that place. And I appreciate all

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<v Speaker 2>of that support because most of the blogs wrote that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Tamika Mallory, you know, they said positive things

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and then the comments section is overwhelmingly folks

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<v Speaker 2>who are in there that have been very very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>moved by the gesture to say that we will help

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<v Speaker 2>in some way. And it's not financial help, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>looking at how can we pair her with the right

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<v Speaker 2>black duelas that can work with her, that can help

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<v Speaker 2>her to manage the postpartum and motherhood and learn some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that she may not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get from, you know, her, from her upbringing or her

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<v Speaker 2>family or her community or whatever it is. She may

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<v Speaker 2>never ever, ever Krashwan say that she wants to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to us, and that's okay. Sometimes just knowing that people

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<v Speaker 2>are watching and they're telling you that they care, or

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<v Speaker 2>that they are that they will help you, that they

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<v Speaker 2>will try to provide you with some type of support,

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<v Speaker 2>it's enough to make you be like, damn, how do.

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<v Speaker 1>I Look, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that these people feel the need. And we're not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about just you. You know all these people in

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<v Speaker 2>the comment section like, oh, she said, y'all's broken this

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<v Speaker 2>and that. Yeah, that's because it's toxic people all having

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation at one time. You telling us she ain't shit,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's telling you you broken so and so and

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<v Speaker 2>saying whatever dirty things that she can say to deflect

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<v Speaker 2>from what she feels. It's a total different thing when

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<v Speaker 2>you and you know what I know because the first

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<v Speaker 2>place she took her baby was church days later. That

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<v Speaker 2>means that somewhere inside is a young girl who is

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<v Speaker 2>really crying out for help, who really knows that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so far to this side, but I really need somebody

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<v Speaker 2>to help me with this baby and help me with me,

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<v Speaker 2>help me with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I also understand, and I'm done with it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also understand that there are people who will say all

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<v Speaker 2>she really wants is her man to act right. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there, I've been through that. I've been through that.

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<v Speaker 2>You just want the man that you want to be

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<v Speaker 2>with or feel is you know your savior all or

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<v Speaker 2>this or the healing to your soft and painful spots

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<v Speaker 2>to come. It's like a drug. It's almost like fentonol.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you want is for you think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to heal the problem. But it took strong women

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<v Speaker 2>to be around me. And I mean strong women. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about some chicks I know, or just because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a family member, it makes that person qualified. Family

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<v Speaker 2>member don't necessarily make you qualified to help somebody through

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<v Speaker 2>their challenges when you suffer room with your own, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you surround yourself with strong women and men who

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<v Speaker 2>can help you see other perspectives without judging you in

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<v Speaker 2>or going back to the world and blasting your most

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable spaces and places and exploiting you. Because, by the way,

0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 2>many of the people who she works with and talks

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<v Speaker 2>to are exploiting her pain and her baby father's plane

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<v Speaker 2>for their own purposes, regardless of whether she puts it

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. So I'm very passionate about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't expect I have no expectations, and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to because I have the world is going on that this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, young woman will hopefully, and I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>she will. I have to believe that, like we have

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<v Speaker 2>to live in a society where we believe that there

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<v Speaker 2>is healing, even for Kashan, even for a person who

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<v Speaker 2>might not even know, understand or feel they need support.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to live in that world, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>people who many of them, and I don't even think

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<v Speaker 2>they're wrong. Their quick immediate response is you want to

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<v Speaker 2>help this chick instead of because she's a celebrity, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of all these other people that need help. And let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you why that's important to me or why

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the question. And I have a very specific answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I already told people about all the work that I

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<v Speaker 2>do with folks you ain't never seen or heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>and the support of our village around young people who

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<v Speaker 2>are having issues, challenges, young mothers, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>If I wanted to, I could call the roles. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them don't want that. Others who may want, who

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<v Speaker 2>do want because they say it all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>because Kashan is a celebrity, she the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>was posted. It wasn't about me. It's not like people

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<v Speaker 2>are constantly posting on all of these blogs and in

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<v Speaker 2>other places everything we do. They post some things for me,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't necessarily they don't post the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about often enough, and we know that and we've

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<v Speaker 2>challenged that. But they do post some of my work,

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<v Speaker 2>they post my comments or things that I've said at times,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are not many opportunities because number one, the

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<v Speaker 2>comments section or even the response from the people, if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, is not even the same. So most of

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<v Speaker 2>the sites, the blog sites or whatever, they are posting

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<v Speaker 2>things where they know there's going to be interaction, and

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<v Speaker 2>if they're just putting up that Tamika Mallory is working

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<v Speaker 2>with college students and helping them, more than likely, even

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<v Speaker 2>the same people who are challenging why I don't help

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<v Speaker 2>young women, which I do, or young mothers other mothers

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<v Speaker 2>that are not celebrities, you ain't got nothing to say.

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<v Speaker 2>You ain't in a comment section celebrating that sharing it,

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<v Speaker 2>giving comments. That's not the case. We don't engage in

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. So the reason why it's getting

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<v Speaker 2>the attention that it's getting is because of who she

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<v Speaker 2>is and the fact that you all are already tapped

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<v Speaker 2>into her. But let me say this last thing and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done with it. One thing I know about life

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<v Speaker 2>right and capacity, is that we don't always have the

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<v Speaker 2>type of capacity that we want to do everything we

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, and it's often frustrating. But Krashan's healing

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<v Speaker 2>has the potential to heal millions. So if she can,

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<v Speaker 2>she becomes an example. Sometimes we're not able to work

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<v Speaker 2>on seventy eighty one hundred thousand people because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the capacity to do so. But if you can

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<v Speaker 2>work on one individual that appears to be at her

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<v Speaker 2>bottom or at her lowest moment, which I don't even

0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 2>believe that that's true, because there's always under, there's always

0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 2>lower until you are under the gun, literally, And I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that she can find healing, whether it's about me

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<v Speaker 2>or not, just in her own ways, it has the

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<v Speaker 2>potential to spread to millions of young women and men

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere and show them that there is a path for redemption.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though you might be in the worst situations, the

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<v Speaker 2>worst toxic relationships, you might be most toxic to yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a path for grace and for there to

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<v Speaker 2>be redemption for you. So that's all I have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's a lot, but I think people need

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<v Speaker 2>to know that, No, you know, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>let you make me feel like I shouldn't do or

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody else is more worthy. I think all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>even Krashan, is worthy of love and support.

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<v Speaker 3>Ain't really much for me to say after you said that,

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much what it is, man. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>all deserve grace. I think a lot of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we look from a hierarchy, like you said, we look

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<v Speaker 3>from where we are instead of where we've been. And

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<v Speaker 3>when you when you start to judge somebody from your

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 3>evolved self, then you're given you're given a poor judgment

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<v Speaker 3>because you're not even thinking about the reality of what

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 3>that individual is probably dealing with, especially if you actually

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<v Speaker 3>had to deal with that. A lot of us come

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<v Speaker 3>from this hierarchy, to come from this moral high ground

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<v Speaker 3>about oh, you can't do this, and you're this, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're the worst type of person, you're this, look at

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<v Speaker 3>what you've done, look at what you've done. Not acknowledging

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<v Speaker 3>that we've done. Worship ourselves and somebody cared for us,

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<v Speaker 3>and somebody loved us, and somebody walked us through that,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody stood by us at our worst times. And we

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<v Speaker 3>want people to just forget everybody during their worst times

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<v Speaker 3>because we've because we figured it out, you know, And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I think that's that's what we deal with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot in this society, especially in these times. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>coming from a moral high ground that they don't really

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<v Speaker 3>have the right to come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. Not perfect people, but it's perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Work, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we're going to bring on our guests because listen,

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<v Speaker 2>America is going to shit, and I mean, and it's already.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people would say it's already and things is pretty rough.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I've been working and in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of doing some more stuff on these companies that are

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<v Speaker 2>hiding in playing sight, and Panini was one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last few free weeks or the last few months,

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<v Speaker 2>we found out that Panini, a company, a three billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar company that uses the faces and images of black

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<v Speaker 2>and brown players, sports players were making were through their

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<v Speaker 2>memorabilia and their trading cards, didn't have any black people

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<v Speaker 2>in positions of power in their company, no senior level executives.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they have hired someone now to consult with

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<v Speaker 2>them to make changes within the company. But it's been

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<v Speaker 2>enough months I believe that we should now, especially this

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<v Speaker 2>summer is over. We're into the fall or coming up there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're into the fall. We should be able to receive

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<v Speaker 2>feedback from them about what has happened as there again

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<v Speaker 2>same thing Like Krashan, I might not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have the capacity to go after seventy companies at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, but we can shure enough make sure one

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<v Speaker 2>company is an example of how we will expose what

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<v Speaker 2>they are doing. Again, they're hiding in playing site. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like you can't find these things out. You just

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<v Speaker 2>need a quick search and ask some questions. And when

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<v Speaker 2>we did that, we found out that this company was

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<v Speaker 2>really doing something that I believe is bad business practice.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, we will continue to work on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're going to reach back out to them

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what is the update since they from

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<v Speaker 2>our work. From our work because until we raise the

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<v Speaker 2>issue with Panini, they did not have a consultant working

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<v Speaker 2>with them on diversity, equity and inclusion practices within their company.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have no black people. There was no black people.

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<v Speaker 2>Work on the forward tiers of the course.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, you you don't got nobody that's running

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<v Speaker 3>the shots, calling the shots, and you got the main

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<v Speaker 3>the main faces and memorabilia you selling come from black people.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't even make sense that we always say nothing about.

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<v Speaker 2>Us without us, that's right, and so you know, until

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>we spoke up, there was zero happening. And now they

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<v Speaker 2>have a consultant. So we'll see what that consultant has

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.719
<v Speaker 2>accomplished with their company, because we certainly want to we

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>want we want a response, right so on a update

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 2>we didn't We don't just y'all might not hear about it,

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.959
<v Speaker 2>but there's always wills still turning on the things that

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>we're working on. Let's bring our next guest on so

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<v Speaker 2>he can talk about d I because I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>people really understand what's happening. This isn't all out of salt.

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It's really serious.

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 3>They trying to get Trump back fifty two. It's tough out.

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>They don't pull all of our people. I don't even

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 2>pay attention to those polls anyway. My son is referring

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to a poll that came out yesterday saying Trump has

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>edged bided out and you know whatever, I don't.

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Believe post fake dudes, man, Oh, I don't.

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Think he posts fake news. The Trump the.

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Article says a pretty reliable source.

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>The article itself is correct in whatever it has stated,

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<v Speaker 2>but the problem is that it has not been done

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>across a large enough scale of individuals, because ain't nobody

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>never pulled me? Now, I don't really answer my house

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 2>phone because the last time I answered my house phone

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 2>was some woman calling my phone, some crazy person telling

0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>me why she hate me, and I don't even know

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 2>how she got a phone number. So so so i'll

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>answer my phone. Tesla told me don't ever answer the

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>phone again, and so I don't. But when I was

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 2>answering my phone, it wasn't nobody calling to pold me

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>at all. Okay, So now listen, y'all. We got somebody,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 2>super super smart on here today that knows a lot.

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, lately we've been talking about DEI and

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the challenges around diversity, equity and inclusion, and I think

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>people really need to be paying attention to how just

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's not on the TV every day doesn't mean

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>that there's not something spreading across this nation that is really, really,

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>really dangerous. And we've got to be aware that right now,

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>being black in certain spaces is not sexy, and people

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>are actually trying to diminish our value and our worth.

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And so this gentleman that is coming on with us

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 2>today is a new friend to UH street politicians. But

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>he also is someone who is very very qualified to

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about diversity and equity and inclusion. So let me

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>just usually I don't read bios to y'all, but I

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>got a few sentences that I think right on my

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>son that we should probably go over today, so you'll

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 2>know more about who doctor Sean Harper is. He holds

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the Clifford and Betty Allen Chair in Urban Leadership at

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the University of Southern California. In twenty twenty two, he

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>was appointed University Professor. Doctor Harper has published twelve books

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and is author of more than one hundred peer reviewed

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>articles and other academic publications. He is a recipient of

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>dozens of top honors in his field and four honorary degrees.

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>A prolific and energizing speaker on a range of diversity,

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>equity and inclusion topics, he has delivered hundreds of keynote

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>addresses around the world, many audiences comprised of thousands in

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>his DEI work. I mean, I think that is something

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>to be really really proud of as a black man.

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>You're working in this space and also right now to

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>be tuned into what you do. So why don't you

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>get started? First of all, welcome to street politicians, Doctor

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Sean Harper. Why don't you get started by telling us

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>about your upbringing, the things that are not here in

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>your bio, and how you made it to the DEI space.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Sure, but before I do that, let me do two

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>quick things that are really important. First, express my sincereous

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>gratitude to you for having me as a guest. You

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that I'm a new friend, but honestly, already it

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>feels like we're old friends. So I'm looking forward to

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a great conversation. I did want to go back and

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>revise something you said though, about being blacks and always sexy.

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Please says who Being black is sexy for me every

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>day in every space. There's nothing I would rather be

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>than black hints It really frustrates me, right, the palpabole, pervasive,

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>perverted sense of anti blackness that we see in you know,

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>just about every corner of America. But you know, despite

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>those attacks on our black lives and black cells, we're

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna keep being black unapologetically, and we're gonna keep making

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>black sexy. So you asked about my upbringing. I grew

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>up in Thomasville, Georgia. It's a small, rural, racially segregated

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>town on the Georgia Florida border. It is a place

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>where the racial politics are ever present and incredibly intense,

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>but yet nobody really talks about them, at least not

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>out loud. People talk, you know, within their family units,

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>perhaps within their church communities, but there's never really a

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>multi racial common conversation about, you know, just the crazy

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>racism that placed itself out, you know, in plain sight.

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>So those were the things that got me really interested

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>as a youngster. Really, I mean, honestly, I think back

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>to when I was like five years old. I noticed

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that most of the people who were black, like my family,

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>were incredibly poor, and most of the people who were

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>rich and who ran things and who were in charge

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>of things were white. So I've been on a lifelong

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>quest to understand why those racial inequities exist. I ruled

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<v Speaker 1>out several things. I ruled out that we weren't poor

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>because we were lazy. My mother cleaned white people's homes

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>as a housekeeper when I was a kid, so it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely wasn't because we were lazy. I also ruled out

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that we were not poor because we wanted to be,

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and I ruled out that we were not poor because

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>we were somehow inferior intellectually to white people. There were

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>a deeper set of structural and systemic explanations. So, you know,

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>for the past forty eight years, I've been on a

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>quest to find those answers and more importantly, provide solutions.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, not just to Thomasville, where I'm from, but

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>really to the whole United States of America and really

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to every place around the globe where anti black racism exists.

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 3>So during the murder of George Floyd and you know,

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the multiple protests and the daily outrage, there was everybody

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be involved in diversity, equity and inclusions. There

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 3>was an uprise billions of dollars poured in I want

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. Do you see that same support anywhere

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 3>near close to it? Because I don't feel it. I

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>feel like that was a moment that everybody wanted to

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 3>be Oh, I'm with the black people, and now we're

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 3>just like they're trying to go back to business as usual.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Man, that moment lasted for seven weeks at most, at most, right,

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>So you're absolutely right. Following Derek Chauvin's murder of George Floyd.

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>As protests ensued across America and around the globe, we

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>saw lots of corporations and the people who lead them

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 1>do all sorts of performative gestures to declare that black

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>lives matter. You are absolutely right that collectively, businesses pledged

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred billion dollars in the name of

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>George Floyd and in the name of racial justice. Notice

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<v Speaker 1>I said pledged. So you asked if that same intensity

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>is still there from June twenty twenty. Nah, not only

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>is the intensity not there, but those people also haven't

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>paid up. They haven't paid the two hundred billion dollars

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>that they pledged. You See, the thing about a pledge

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>is that, you know, you make it usually over like

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 1>some time span, Right, So for most of these companies

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that were like, yeah, over the next four years, we're

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna give one hundred million dollars to black folks and

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to black things. Yeah. At this point, we're about three

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and a half years in and yo, like the money

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>still hadn't reached the accounts of black people with black

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.720
<v Speaker 1>black organizations, black communities. So I'm waiting on the money

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that was pledged to be paid yeah.

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that we know

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 2>it right because we have a small grassroots organization that

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 2>is constantly raising funds and we feel it, we see

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that it is, and not that we were ever a

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>group that took a lot of corporate money, corporate dollars.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>But what we know and why I use the word

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>sexy earlier, is not because it's sexy or not to me,

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>because I think we're more than sexy. We're you for it,

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 2>We're whatever it is the top feeling that you could

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 2>have black folks give that. But what I mean by

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>it is that the energy in the room, the space,

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.879
<v Speaker 2>it is not about focusing on black folks the way

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that it was just so many years ago, which makes

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 2>it so much harder for us to continue to put

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 2>us back in the center of the conversation. Every time

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 2>they try to rear in a different direction, we have

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to constantly bring it back. And what happens in those

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>moments is that when corporations and the media and others

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>are not covering us even the dollars that we depend on,

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 2>which is generally successful people, people who have resources to

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 2>give because they feel inspired by the moment. That moment

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>has diminished. And it is even other black people who

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>have resources that it's like pulling teeth to get support

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>from them. And so you know, I agree with you

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, So tell us this are there since

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty? Are there companies that you can continue to

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>work with? You see, their commitment has been something real

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know a way that they are truly focused

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>on this because I got to ask you about all

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the black folks leaving DEI positions in these companies. But

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>first tell me do you know any good companies? Because

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>they'll say, we never talk about the good stuff.

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, listen, I am a person who very much amplifies

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the goodness and attempt to learn from you know, scalable, adaptable,

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>replicable models of success. I think if you had asked

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>me this question fifteen months ago, I would have had

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a very different response for you. I would have been

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 1>able to name at least one. I can no longer

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>do that because honestly, I can't wait until we get

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 1>to the part about the black folks and other people

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of color departing these these DEI positions. I got a

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>lot to say about that, But honestly, companies that in

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>my heart and soul felt so committed. I was like,

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>this is it? Like this is great. Even they have

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>fallen victim to I suppose that's just that something happened

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to them, as opposed to them consciously deciding not to

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>be courageous. But even those companies have walked back many

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>of their DEI commitments and have began to unravel the

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>DEI infrastructure. So no, I don't have a name for you. Unfortunately,

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>it's sad. It's real sad because so many companies profited

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>reputationally from these declarations that they were making about how

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>committed they were to black folks. Again, that stuff lasted

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.879
<v Speaker 1>in most places for a maximum of seven weeks. Our

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>brother Van Jones gave us language for this. I'm gonna

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>take us all the way back when Donald Trump was

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 1>elected president. It was Van Jones who tearfully said live

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>on CNN that what we're seeing here is whitelash to

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the eight years of the Obama administration in a very

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>like pornographically analogous way. What we're seeing right now in

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>the attacks on DEI is whitelash to the progress that

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>was made in summer twenty twenty. You know, it was

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>only it was less than three months after George Floyd's

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>murder that Donald Trump issued an executive order banning DEI

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 1>trainings in government agencies and in the military. Right now,

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I was on the team that helped Biden and Harris

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>get elected, and part of our work, I was on

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the education policy team. The thing that was super important

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>to us was on day one a President Biden has

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to undo that executive order that Trump signed, right because

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>it was having a chilling effect on DEI in education.

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 1>We succeeded. On day one, President Biden rescinded that executive order.

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:23.640
<v Speaker 1>But at that point, the damage was already done. Right,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the strategy of unraveling all of this stuff, all of

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>the momentum had already the traff had been set, The

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>strategy had already.

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Been They say, the fly was already in the in

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the flower exactly.

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. So here we are years later, right, that same

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 1>playbook is still being passed around from state to state,

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 1>community to community, you know, attacking diversity, equity, inclusion, and

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>black folks.

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>I see all the work you've done. What are you

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 3>doing any work around what Governor Decantis is doing in Florida?

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, the black history band on you know, the

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 3>knowledge of slavery in the books in Florida? Are you

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 3>doing any work around that?

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<v Speaker 1>Every day? So here at the University of Southern California,

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a faculty member in two schools, education and business.

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So in my education work, I'm working with literally thousands

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>of educators in any given week on these very issues,

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>helping them to understand that there is a politicized, you know,

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>attack on black folks, on black history, on people of color,

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>on queer people, and so on, and that you know,

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Ron de Santis, Greg Abbott, the Texas governor, and others

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>are succeeding in making the American people fall for the okido,

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the okidote that things are actually happening in schools that

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 1>are not happening right. So, yeah, I'm on this. I'm

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>on it every single day. Earlier this summer, back in June,

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the USC Race and Equity Center, the organization I lead,

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 1>launched what we call the National DEI Defense Fund, and

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>we're using that as a fundraising mechanism to help buy

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>books in communities where books have been banned, to help

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>support teachers who are very generously creating after school and

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>out of school programs where they can teach black history

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and other things that have been banned in the formal curriculum.

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a whole bunch of other stuff that

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>we're using the funds for. It's just one of at

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>least one hundred ways that my center colleagues and I

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>are attempting to save our democracy from the ridiculousness.

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>What do you think the results will be of the

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 2>rollback of DEI and the attacks that we see on

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 2>information and education about black history and black studies and

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>black life.

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I can make at least three predictions quite comfortably. First is,

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.359
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be a whole bunch of miseducated Americans.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Some of them are going to be Black folks, but

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the overwhelming majority of them are going to be white

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 1>people and people who are not Black, who live in

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>segregated communities, who don't have a lot of access to

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>black culture and black people. We're going to send millions

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and millions and millions of miseducated people into our industries,

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>into our workforce, and they are going to create cultures

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>that are anti black. They are going to not hire

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and promote black people equitably. Right, So it's going to

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.959
<v Speaker 1>have a real negative impact on black professionals, for sure.

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.399
<v Speaker 1>That's one second. It's going to lead to a whole

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of racial tension as people of color and white

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>people are on you know, two different sides of the

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>American experience, and one side consistently misunderstands the experiential realities

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of the other. That other side is going to get

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>increasingly frustrated by those misunderstandings, by the devaluation of our

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 1>lives and our experiences. You see, when people don't learn

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>about each other's cultures, histories, and realities, right, it makes

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>them susceptible to eruption and misunderstandings. Right. So that's my

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>second prediction. The third prediction that I'll make is that

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe that our democracy as a whole is

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 1>going to be susceptible, vulnerable to all sorts of attacks,

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 1>both domestic and foreign. I know that I'm talking like

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking to a group of military officers. Well, actually

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it's because just last week I spoke to hundreds of

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>military officers and I reminded them of the military oath

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of office that includes language of them pledging themselves to

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 1>protect America against enemies both foreign and domestic. The most

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>dangerous domestic enemy right now in the United States of

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>America is misinformation and disinformation. Those things are only going

0:45:56.160 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>to be exacerbated by these attacks on diversity at what

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>are you an inclusion right those attacks that are fueled

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>by disinformation and misinformation. So it is really going to

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>make our country weak and really susceptible to all sorts

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of breakdowns and attacks.

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And when you say attacks, I mean I think about

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, why we have not heard the reasons why

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Roslyn Brewer left Walgreens as CEO, and I don't know

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>all of the reasons why. So there's been this mass exodus,

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>if you will, of black executives and other people of

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 2>color and DEI positions and other leadership positions within companies.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>But I have to imagine that somewhere in there it

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 2>feels like people are being fired without maybe saying it publicly,

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>just by them the way that they feel marginalized at work,

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.799
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it's a lack of support that they are

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 2>also feeling in the environment. So what do you think

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>is causing people to run? And or are they just

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 2>being terminated and we just don't hear much about how

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>it ends.

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I've thought about both of these. I write

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>for Forbes, and I've written a pair of Forbes articles

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>on you know, both parts of the question. So I

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>still don't yet know the reason why Rosalind Brewer left Walgreens.

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.760
<v Speaker 1>What I will say, though, right, is that that sister

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 1>had been CEO of that company for such a short

0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 1>time period. And you know, I mentioned in my Forbes

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>article that the same thing happens in college and professional

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 1>sports to black coaches, black head coaches, that they get

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>less of a runway to build their team, to show results,

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth, before you know, they're pushed

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>out or fired or whatever. You know. So there is

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a chance that that is part of the Rosslyn Brewer experience.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>We got to find out from her, right, she needs

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:15.359
<v Speaker 1>for herself, right, But I think the larger point is

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that Rosslyn Brewer was one of only two black women

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Fortune five hundred CEOs. That's not okay, that's not okay, right,

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>So we got to understand the intersectionality of race and

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>gender for black women and the ways in which that

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 1>intersectionality undermines their day to day experiences within corporate environments,

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>but also undermines their climbing of the corporate ladder, and

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 1>then ultimately when they get there to the top, right,

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the attacks and the unreasonable expectations on them that are

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 1>not placed on certainly not on their white male colleagues

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>or counterparts, right, who are CEOs? Now with the diversity

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>officers chief diversity officers. I wrote a piece and Forbes

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 1>back in January explaining twelve ways in which CEOs and

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 1>companies fail chief diversity officers. You know, it really is

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the combination of those twelve forces factors that explains in

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the largest part the turnover in the CEO role. We

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>ain't got time for me to talk about twelve, so

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll just like lift up three. One one of these

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>is not like the other in many companies. So in

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>many companies, the chief diversity officer is if I'm being honest,

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and I don't mean to disrespect our brothers and sisters

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and gender queer colleagues and family members who are in

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 1>those roles, but they don't have the same seat at

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the table as the CFO, or as the chief marketing officer,

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth, the chief legal officer. In fact,

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in way too many organizations I supposed to, I should say,

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and way too few organizations they ain't got a seat

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 1>at the corporate table at all. Right, they have like

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a vice president title, they're called the chief diversity officer,

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 1>but they never ever ever get to talk to the CEO, right,

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>because my friends, I mean, are chief diversity officers.

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 2>When there's a problem, they absolutely talk to them. The

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>rest of the time, they don't really get to interface

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 2>with leadership at all. So they do talk to them

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 2>whenever black people are upset or there's some issue with

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the community that the company is trying to serve. Oh,

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 2>here comes you know, we need to meet. And then,

0:50:56.200 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>as you said, the expectations at that point of the

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.080
<v Speaker 2>DEI person to be able to do something for the

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>company's brand that is not a part of anything in

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the culture is unreasonable, you know, So go ahead.

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think two things are simultaneously true. I

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 1>totally rock with you, and you know, totally honor your

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>friends experience that in some situations, You're right, like, the

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 1>CEO only relies on the chief diversity officer in a

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>moment of a crisis. But I have way, way, way

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 1>too many examples where companies have literally been on the news,

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I'm talking like in the New York

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Times or CNN and other places on fire for you know,

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>some sort of racial problem or sexual harassment problem or whatever,

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and the CDO is not at the table. The CDO

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.919
<v Speaker 1>finds out when the rest of us finds out right,

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and the person's like, uh, hello, you got a whole

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in house expert that you haven't, that you don't even

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>have enough respect for to call to the crisis resolution table.

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 1>So I do know for sure that both things are

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 1>simultaneously true. Let me go a little bit faster, So

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I promise people three, let me tell you two more reasons.

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Chief diversity officers often have way too little money in

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>their budgets, way too few staff members, and way too

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>little authority decision making authority. You know, folks are like, yeah,

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:37.879
<v Speaker 1>I fail for it. I thought I was like gonna

0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.560
<v Speaker 1>be an actual vice president and I came here and yeah,

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it's just like me and two staff members for a

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 1>massive corporation. Here's the third explanation. In summer twenty twenty,

0:52:55.480 --> 0:53:00.839
<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of CEOs and other C suite executives

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>contacted me directly personally given the work I do, saying hey,

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>we want to think about hiring our first chief diversity

0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>officer In almost every instance, I told those folks, no,

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 1>don't do that, y'all just bandwagoning. You're just doing the

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>thing right now that is popular that everybody else seems

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.879
<v Speaker 1>to be doing. But you know, a lot of those

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>folks rejected that advice and went ahead and very haphazardly

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:35.240
<v Speaker 1>hired chief diversity officers without an actual job description, without

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>an actual, real you know, sort of complex understanding of

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>what we want this person to do. Hire the people

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 1>without onboarding them properly, so on and so forth. So

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't surprise us that so few of those people

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.320
<v Speaker 1>lasted for more than eighteen.

0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.919
<v Speaker 2>Months, Right, that's true, that's real.

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.400
<v Speaker 3>So when I want to close with asking this question,

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 3>because we realized, you know, diversity and inclusion and equity

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.759
<v Speaker 3>is a big, big issue in the black community, and

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, in workspaces, in school spaces and educational spaces,

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 3>all those spaces. Do you notice that there are a

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of other races or do you work with people

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.240
<v Speaker 3>who from other raceists who are dealing with the same issues,

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.160
<v Speaker 3>And if so, do you think it is in comparison

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:29.320
<v Speaker 3>or even worse.

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, so, at the USC Race and Equity Center, we

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>pride ourselves on focusing on all dimensions of diversity, equity,

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and inclusion, right racist foremost for us, it's at the

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>epicenter of our work. But we also obviously do tons

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of work on homophobia and hetero sexism, and transphobia and

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:58.879
<v Speaker 1>Islamophobia and anti semitism and sexism and misogyny and misogyn war,

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. So I just want to

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>make sure that your listeners recognize that I'm a multifaceted

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>DEI expert, so to are the twenty nine people who

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>work at the center that I lead in terms of

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>other racial groups. I'm really glad you asked this question, right,

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 1>because we've talked a lot in this conversation in this

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:31.840
<v Speaker 1>episode about black people and black professionals. Latin X or

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Latino or Hispanic professionals also experienced tremendous racism in workplaces.

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 1>About a month or two ago, I was watching Eva

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Longoria's film Flaming Hot, which is, you know, a screenplay,

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a film about the guy, the Latino guy Janitor, who

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>created who had the idea for flaming Hot Cheetos, Right,

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I was thinking, Yo, this is going

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.760
<v Speaker 1>to be just like a little fun movie. But actually,

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>as I watched that movie and I watched Richard Montagnez's

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 1>experience as a Latino janitor, so much of it resonated

0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>with my research and what I hear from Latino professionals

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 1>about their workplace realities. So I wrote a Forbes article

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>about it that night because really it was such a

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 1>familiar experience to me as I watch it play out

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 1>in Eva's film. And let me also just say quickly,

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 1>for our Asian American Pacific islander and Indigenous brothers and

0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 1>sisters and gender queer people in workplaces, those folks experienced

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 1>tremendous erasure, meaning just like an ever present feeling of unimportance.

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.759
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just a feeling, right, there are everyday

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 1>reminders that now y'all ain't important here, right, and that's

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 1>not okay. We often talk about the underrepresentation of black

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:16.720
<v Speaker 1>and Latino folks in executive level roles in organizations, Asian

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Americans are also severely underpresented, underrepresented. So to our indigenous.

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Professionals, absolutely well, let me say, we have to let

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you go so we can honor your time as well.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 2>But what I will say is that it seems to

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>me and sometimes for black folks who are going through hell,

0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to hear that there are other people groups

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 2>also experiencing some of the same things that we go through.

0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:52.600
<v Speaker 2>And of course, because you're a black man and two

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 2>of us are also black people, it hits us. We

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<v Speaker 2>know we feel it. But as you said, we're at

0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the intersection of many communities. You got you youth that

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>are also locked out of many positions around this nation,

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, younger people being able to get into

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<v Speaker 2>these companies and make the salaries that they deserve. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many layers of issues because the bottom

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:18.440
<v Speaker 2>line is that white men have created an environment that

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>they want to maintain within their companies, their corporations that

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>they've used so many people who are black, brown and

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>others to build. And so it would seem to me

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 2>that we would all be working together right like that.

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 2>That is the metropolis, if you will, of folks that

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.760
<v Speaker 2>need to be pushing back against this and not so

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>much being in our silos. Seems like it should be

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>something that's bigger, but that is often not the case

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 2>because there is so much divisiveness in our movements. But

0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that we get a bigger bang for our buck,

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:56.240
<v Speaker 2>if you will, if we are able to join together

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>to push back on some of these narratives and to

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 2>make sure that we're holding the line line within these

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 2>companies to provide opportunities for others.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Look, I know we got to wrap the episode,

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 1>but I want to take I want to quickly take

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<v Speaker 1>two things that you just said and amplify them.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we need solidarity and coalitions across racial and ethnic lines. Right,

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.520
<v Speaker 1>we need the people of color to come together in

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>support of each other's interests and advancement, not just within

0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 1>our own individual community. So you're spot on. We also

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.200
<v Speaker 1>need some some white allies and some white folks to

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 1>also join us, right in those interracial coalitions. The other

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:42.240
<v Speaker 1>thing that you said that it's just I think this

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>is such an important way to end. I want to

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.000
<v Speaker 1>end on a beautiful note, but honestly, this is a

0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>painful note to end on because it's just important for

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:55.280
<v Speaker 1>listeners to to understand this. I over the course of

0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:59.600
<v Speaker 1>my career, have had the privilege of working with more

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 1>than four four hundred companies, government agencies, nonprofit organizations, and

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<v Speaker 1>educational institutions on diversity, equity, and inclusion. More than four hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most painful discoveries of mine is that

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<v Speaker 1>black folks are catching hell everywhere everywhere, across sectors, across geographies,

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<v Speaker 1>across age groups, so on and so forth. So in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to those interracial coalitions with other racial groups, we

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<v Speaker 1>also need black folks to come together across industries across

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<v Speaker 1>age groups to collectively heal from the collective trauma that

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<v Speaker 1>we've experienced historically and contemporarily at work, to share navigational

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<v Speaker 1>strategies with each other as deliberate acts of self care,

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<v Speaker 1>and to collectively determine strategies for resistance regardless of where

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<v Speaker 1>one works. To disrupt and dismantle racism and anti blackness.

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<v Speaker 1>We need black folks across industries to come together for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first thing black folks have to know is

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<v Speaker 2>that the problem exists right because so many people are

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<v Speaker 2>head down in grocery bills, gas bills, rent bills, dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with their community issues. DEI. That concept is like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying it's it's the last on the average person's list.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're just trying to get a regular paycheck,

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<v Speaker 3>and they deal with a lot of people in our

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<v Speaker 3>communities have normalized racism. They don't even see it as racist,

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<v Speaker 3>part of the normal. They're like, what do you mean? So, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I know we can't do this. We're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>do this. He's going to say this to me. I

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<v Speaker 3>know the white girl's gonna be able to do the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff I can't do, so I have to. We have

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<v Speaker 3>normalized abnormalities inside of this culture. So unfortunately, until we

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<v Speaker 3>stop normalized being treated wrong, until we understand that, there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be a unified front in which we address this.

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<v Speaker 3>First we got to unify within us and then we

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<v Speaker 3>unify with everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's right. So we've definitely normalized, but

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<v Speaker 1>we've also individualized, right, I mean it's black folks. We

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be a collective people, but when these things

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<v Speaker 1>are happening to us at work, we're thinking, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just happening.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, absolutely absolutely, So we got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make Yeah, we got to make space right for black professionals,

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<v Speaker 1>especially to hear that nonsense. It ain't just you like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a full scale attack on black women that

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<v Speaker 1>happens to block.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you're here, and that's why we want to

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<v Speaker 2>put this episode out there, and I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>need to come back because this is this issue I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that I think about it every day. We

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<v Speaker 2>deal with so many smoking gun problems. You know, someone

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<v Speaker 2>was killed, this happening in that governor's race or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But DEI is sitting on me heavy because I know

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<v Speaker 2>that if we think we're dealing with poverty now, if

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<v Speaker 2>we think we're dealing with challenges now, when AI becomes

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<v Speaker 2>even more of a corporate strategy that they begin to use,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see violence and crime and depression rise

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<v Speaker 2>in our communities like we have never ever, ever ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen before. This is about to be a time that

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<v Speaker 2>we can't even manage if we don't understand the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it is incumbent upon those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who have our ears to the streets, someone like my

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<v Speaker 2>son and I who might not be well versed in

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, but being able to meet and talk

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<v Speaker 2>with people like you who can help break it down

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<v Speaker 2>and bite sizes so that are people who are moving fast,

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<v Speaker 2>who are stressed to or all the things, have an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to grasp that the problem you're having at work

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<v Speaker 2>with this white woman that continuously writes you up and

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<v Speaker 2>continuously treats you bad and you know, continuously get you

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<v Speaker 2>in corners and steals your work and lies on you.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that is not a problem just because there's

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong with you, but there's something wrong with the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>And to my son's point, until we work together, we're

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<v Speaker 2>never going to be able to change it. So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for joining us on street politicians today,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor harper.

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<v Speaker 3>Help me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime we are new old friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Being regular, we might have to bring you up being

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<v Speaker 3>told bowl we might be.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's you know, we should talk about it. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>For joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you can't thank you appreciate y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to doctor harper Man. What he said is

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<v Speaker 3>so so much real. You know, we deal with so

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<v Speaker 3>much racism in this country, and like I said, we've

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<v Speaker 3>normalized and the way he broke it down in sectors

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<v Speaker 3>and how each individual thing plays apart and people don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that and how you know, the elimination of diversity,

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<v Speaker 3>equity inclusion is gonna be an even bigger problem because

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<v Speaker 3>we think we ain't get got jobs now, then they

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<v Speaker 3>definitely gonna not have jobs because they don't have no

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<v Speaker 3>reason to give you a job. They're not forced like

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<v Speaker 3>people think, oh affirmative action on. No, these things only

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<v Speaker 3>made sure that people who were qualified got opportunities. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't They didn't bring unqualified. People will say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta a sixty, you know, you gotta a C minus. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they took the top of the battle from communities of

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<v Speaker 3>people who weren't able to afford and gave them education.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what these things provided, and that's what de does.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives people who are qualified the opportunity to actually

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<v Speaker 3>get heard. And then it says there's a certain amount

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<v Speaker 3>of these people that are overly qualified that actually have

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<v Speaker 3>to hire. And I don't understand why people think that's

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<v Speaker 3>such a big thing. But you know, that's a whole

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<v Speaker 3>other thing. Man shout out to doctor Harper. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>his take on that is phenomenal, and I think we

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<v Speaker 3>definitely should have him back. But being having that be said,

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<v Speaker 3>it brings me to my I don't get it. I

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<v Speaker 3>posted something on social media the other day and it

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<v Speaker 3>was a young boy who was fifteen years old and

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<v Speaker 3>judge who's actually a black lady was sentenced to him,

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<v Speaker 3>sentencing him for doing I think it was arm robbery,

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<v Speaker 3>take stealing cars, walking up with guns and stealing cars.

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<v Speaker 3>He was actually ultimately sentenced to about thirty years in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>And there were so many people like, that's good, he

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<v Speaker 3>needed to be in jail, lock him up, this and

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<v Speaker 3>that and this and that, and I was and I

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<v Speaker 3>was listening, and you know, and I understand a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people think people need to be held accountable. There

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<v Speaker 3>is accountability, right, But there's two things that I thought about, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing that I thought about is that you

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<v Speaker 3>people think that there are people who think that this

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen year old is unredeemable, that this action he does,

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<v Speaker 3>he's done makes him unfit to be in society, that

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<v Speaker 3>he's just gonna be out here. He can't turn it around.

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<v Speaker 3>He just needs to be in jail for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said to myself, I know people who've literally

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<v Speaker 3>committed crimes that are henious, that have robbed people, that

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<v Speaker 3>have stolen people and got away. That are CEOs of companies. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>There are CEOs of businesses now that never did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those things again, that run corporations who are millionaires and

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<v Speaker 3>billionaires that sit in these rooms every day. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get caught. There's so many people whose story especially that

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<v Speaker 3>come from our communities, who they just didn't get caught.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that they didn't do these crimes. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>that they you know, they were poverty strict, and poverty

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, people don't look at when you look

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<v Speaker 3>at robbery, it is a crime of poverty, right, It is.

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<v Speaker 2>A people A lot of sometimes nine out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten times people rob people because they don't have things

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<v Speaker 3>that they want. There's very rarely that somebody who is

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<v Speaker 3>able and will, who has the resources to buy things

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<v Speaker 3>that they want, just rob somebody at gouverny. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think I've never heard somebody said, oh, this person come

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<v Speaker 3>from well to do family, they got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>money and they robbing somebody at gunpoint. I've seen people.

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<v Speaker 2>Depends on what type of robber when we talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're talking about street crime.

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<v Speaker 3>About regular street crime where people are robbing and they

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<v Speaker 3>stealing and taking items and car jacket that's not a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that comes from somebody who just wants to rob

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<v Speaker 3>That's usually because a person lacks the resources. Right. So

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<v Speaker 3>when we talk about those things, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>come from those those realities, right, And I just didn't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second thing I said to myself was,

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<v Speaker 3>if a young boy has thirty years in prison, right,

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<v Speaker 3>if we don't think that they are redeemable at fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>if we don't think that we can sit that there's

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<v Speaker 3>no alternative to visit. We look in different communities, if

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<v Speaker 3>we look in different people violence, I mean alternative to incarcerations. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>If we look around this world the reality of incarceration,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not working. Right. We incarceerate people at high rates

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<v Speaker 3>and just about everybody, and we still have higher crime rates. Rights.

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<v Speaker 3>It's places around this world where they don't incarceraate people

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere near as much as we do in America, and

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<v Speaker 3>they have lower crime rates. Right. And when you look

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<v Speaker 3>at if you look at the situation, if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the places where these crimes will come from, the

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<v Speaker 3>usually we're poor people, right, and they're usually black and

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<v Speaker 3>brown people are the people that they locking up. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's so so confusing to me that we see these

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<v Speaker 3>people from our communities that really think that this is

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<v Speaker 3>the best course of action, that given this fifty year boy,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty years is the best course of action. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>so mind boggling to me how we don't understand how

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<v Speaker 3>it hasn't worked, you know, the experiment of incarceration. For

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<v Speaker 3>I believe there should be accountability. I believe there should

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<v Speaker 3>be some level of you know, maybe he does some

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<v Speaker 3>jail time, but thirty years, what you've pretty much done

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<v Speaker 3>is made him a hardened criminal. You kept him in

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<v Speaker 3>prison around people who are criminal minded. He's learning criminal mentality.

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<v Speaker 3>Even worse, he comes out here with less opportunities, less

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<v Speaker 3>access to anything. He's forty years old with nothing, and

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<v Speaker 3>now you expect him to become a conductive of a

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<v Speaker 3>constructive and a productive, productive member of society. It just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't make sense to me. And it's our people. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why when people say get mad and say yo,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden wrote the crime bill, I have to really

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<v Speaker 3>push back and say, I get it is the worst

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<v Speaker 3>shit ever. But a lot of our people wanted that

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<v Speaker 3>crime built. It was our people in the community and

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<v Speaker 3>said lock them people up. They the worst ship, get

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<v Speaker 3>them up. And this is what happens when you look

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<v Speaker 3>at when you go online and you see the responses

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<v Speaker 3>of all these people saying, put this little boy in

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<v Speaker 3>jail for thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gearing up as a community for a crime build

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<v Speaker 2>to come down again because we are pushing and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about from elected officials and leaders and pastors and

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<v Speaker 2>people with influence all the way to folks on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a mixture of people we know and people

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<v Speaker 2>who are acting like there are us and they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>We are gearing up to towards another crime build type

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<v Speaker 2>of situation around violence, interruption and drugs and what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that what you are speaking to right now, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important for you to keep saying it,

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think many people who are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who are pushing back against what you're saying, or those

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<v Speaker 2>who are just basically saying lock them up, I personally

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that they will ever get it or shift

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<v Speaker 2>their mindset to understand that the people you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted the crime buil in whatever year that was,

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<v Speaker 2>those people didn't want a crime build. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be safe. And we've been taught that unitive punishment is

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<v Speaker 2>the only answer. We have not been taught to advocate

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<v Speaker 2>for stronger communities to deal with violence, drugs, and other

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<v Speaker 2>issues that relate to poverty. We've been taught that the

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<v Speaker 2>immediate response is to go towards law enforcement and again

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<v Speaker 2>punitive measures. That is a result of being enslaved, and

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<v Speaker 2>an enslavement if you did something, no matter what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>you could just suck your teeth and get slapped, beat,

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<v Speaker 2>locked away, raped. We still carry that mindset. It has

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<v Speaker 2>been taught to us. When we went to Africa, we

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<v Speaker 2>learned about the villages and it does not mean that

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<v Speaker 2>if someone committed an egregious act in the village that

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<v Speaker 2>there was not war, fights and punishment that existed. But

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<v Speaker 2>that was not the way of raising children, beating them.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that comes to mind is what

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<v Speaker 2>is the harshest response that you can have to the

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<v Speaker 2>things that young people or all people do that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've been disconnected from our culture so much that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even know what it looks like to be

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<v Speaker 2>a community that takes a child who looks challenged and

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<v Speaker 2>try to work on dealing with their issues among ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that there should not be consequences, but

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<v Speaker 2>we jump to consequences before even finding out what are

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstances, so we are beyond. It's the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with the Krishan rock thing. We are beyond circumstances and

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<v Speaker 2>already at consequences. That's the way in which we have

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<v Speaker 2>been taught. And it is something that you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a chain that's been around our next for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time that even I, even you, all of us fall

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<v Speaker 2>into sometimes believing that, oh you disrespected me. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to lash out in these different ways. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is it is, It is an unlearning that we're

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<v Speaker 2>all trying to do to say or not we all

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<v Speaker 2>of it, I mean, in our space and until freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to unlearn that where we can actually have

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<v Speaker 2>communication or understanding that puts us it makes us on comfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's necessary. So you know, I don't think those

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<v Speaker 2>people will change from that because they don't know, because

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<v Speaker 2>they have not well let me say again, going back

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<v Speaker 2>to for Sean, it's not that they don't know, because

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<v Speaker 2>they've been many of them given grace. Carl Russell, same situation.

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<v Speaker 2>People want grace for the Pooky Ray Ray and their

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<v Speaker 2>family members t T and Leelee.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to free Jojo, to free my grandson. Please

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<v Speaker 3>bring let my grandson come o Carley.

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<v Speaker 2>And the grandson shot somebody and the person was harmed

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<v Speaker 2>and they still want there to be grace.

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<v Speaker 3>For those The crazy things to me is that Another

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<v Speaker 3>thing I wanted to say is there are people who

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<v Speaker 3>have committed murder that they let I went to I

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<v Speaker 3>was in the courthouse, you know, for my friend the

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<v Speaker 3>other day, and it was it was like five or different,

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<v Speaker 3>six different murder cases where they knew the people committed

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<v Speaker 3>murder and they let them say that, Well, we'll give

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<v Speaker 3>you twenty years, we'll let you get fifteen for manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 3>But you want a kid who didn't shoot nobody, didn't

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<v Speaker 3>physically harm anybody, who probably was stealing out of desperation,

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<v Speaker 3>to do thirty years, And you think that makes sense?

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<v Speaker 3>How does the justice? How do people rationalize those things?

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't. It doesn't even make sense. It's not even

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<v Speaker 3>a rational thought in.

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<v Speaker 2>America has never made sense. So you know, for our kids,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you this. I promised you this. While they

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely white kids and white men and women in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>we know the numbers are far and few between. And

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you that the same robberies, the same drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>the same violence, the same shit has happened. Has somebody

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<v Speaker 2>found grace for their own, for their own and so

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<v Speaker 2>please anyway. I you know, I don't have I lose

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<v Speaker 2>faith in people every now and then it comes back,

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<v Speaker 2>but I lose it as.

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<v Speaker 3>I do too it. I just get so confused just looking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because I would I my my My major

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<v Speaker 3>reason for posting it's actually giving a warning to kids,

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<v Speaker 3>letting them know what's going on, Like this is what

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<v Speaker 3>they'll do to you, Like you're out here running around

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<v Speaker 3>doing this, They're gonna roof you. You know. They they

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<v Speaker 3>don't give it. They don't give a damn about you,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And so and I understood that, but just

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<v Speaker 3>see how many of our people that was like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>good for him, that's right, Lock them up. He ain't

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<v Speaker 3>no good anywhere. I blame his mama. But and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just like, damn, we don't have any level just for

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<v Speaker 3>a child who's who's front two lover is not even developed.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even the ship that I was doing at fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even understand. Like when I sit there and

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about shit I've done at fifteen, I'm it's no

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<v Speaker 3>way that I would have done even remotely did some

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<v Speaker 3>shit like that five years later, you know what I stand.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. So when we as grown people actually take

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves out of our own reality to we can't look

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<v Speaker 3>back and say, damn, I did a lot of dumb

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<v Speaker 3>shit at fourteen and fifteen, I just dumb shit at

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen and twenty, you know, when we can't say that

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<v Speaker 3>and we're wishing all of that shit on somebody. Fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>because we were able to either rise above it get

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<v Speaker 3>away with the ship we did. Nobody caught us all, like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so crazy to me, the mind state that we

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<v Speaker 3>deal with, it's just fucked up. But like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we are. And with that said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>another brilliant episode. Shout out to doctor Harper and his

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<v Speaker 3>insight on DEI. You know, we definitely got to pay

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<v Speaker 3>attention to that because.

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<v Speaker 2>Than sob said, DEI means diversity, equity and inclusion, which

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<v Speaker 2>is generally a practice in corporations and in education.

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<v Speaker 3>They try to pacify us what they wanted to pacify us.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody had a DEI job during the George Floyd murder,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody we're gonna get, come on, we're gonna hire everybody had.

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<v Speaker 2>They also fire people that a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 2>not qualify for the world exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>They did everything they just wanted to appease everybody. But

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<v Speaker 3>now you know they don't care if it's you know, diversity, equity,

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<v Speaker 3>inclusion of more. Fuck y'all we got, We're going for Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>We got the scientists we want. That's I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all that we're going back to ship make America great.

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<v Speaker 3>America was great when it wasn't. No dr That's how

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<v Speaker 3>they feel and that's that's what we are right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So reality's situation. Man, we gotta give up and buckle up. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>So with that said, man, another episode, brilliant episode. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna always be right, Tamika D. Mallories and I

1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.880
<v Speaker 3>could always be wrong, but we will both always and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean always be authentic.

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