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Speaker 1: hard way. When witnesses don't want to come to court,

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Speaker 1: you have to make them come to court. And if

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Speaker 1: they don't want to testify under oath and tell the truth,

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Speaker 1: they can go sit in the county jail under a

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Speaker 1: contempt order until they decide they do want to testify.

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Speaker 1: That's how that works. So I'm wondering, is she real?

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00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Is this girlfriend real? Have we seen her? Do we

433
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Speaker 1: know she exists? Has she been brought to court? More

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00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: questions than answers right now. In the case of Molly

435
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: Tibbets Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we thought it was

436
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: all sewn up and put away. No it's not, because

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00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: in the last days a snitch out of the jail

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Speaker 1: says somebody else confessed to murdering Molly, not the guy

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Speaker 1: that was convicted. I want to go to doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Can you even imagine,

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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, what this is doing to Molly's family? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, I'm sure it's doing the same. I'm

444
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Speaker 1: sure it's doing something similar to all of us to

445
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: have to hear the descriptions of what that little girl

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00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: went through. So now we have we all, particularly their family,

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00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: they have to relive this all over again. And there

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00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: are to me, there are so many holes in everything

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00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: that the accused that the convicted killer says. I mean,

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00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: first he blacked out. Remember how how long we question

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Speaker 1: that that he had blacked out? And I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why if somebody finds a dead body in the back

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Speaker 1: of their car, why they don't immediately go to the

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Speaker 1: police station if they're not the ones that killed that person. Well,

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Speaker 1: and remember our doctor Angie with me, doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychiogrist, hointing us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen this in many defendants and witnesses. They

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Speaker 1: turned their head, they look away, they black out at

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Speaker 1: the critical moment. They can tell you everything leading up

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Speaker 1: to the shooting or stabbing, and then everything within seconds

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Speaker 1: after the shooting or stabbing. But that critical moment here

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Speaker 1: he remembers following her in his car, he remembers her

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Speaker 1: threatening into car police. He then blacks out and then

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Speaker 1: kind of wakes up and realizes, Oh, there's a dead

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Speaker 1: body in my trunk. Let me go throw her in

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Speaker 1: a cornfield. That's pretty convenient to have that blackout at

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Speaker 1: exactly the moment Molly's murdered. And I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: these two people weren't brought up at his original trial

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Speaker 1: if they were riding around in the car with him,

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Speaker 1: you know, was very manipulative. Well he didn't he say

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Speaker 1: at trial, Matt Finn that these two guys that appeared

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Speaker 1: in his living room were in the car with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said that they instructed him to get into his car.

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Speaker 1: They basically wanted to use his car, was kind of

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Speaker 1: his version. And they were in the car with him,

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Speaker 1: and they said he claimed that he never spoke out

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Speaker 1: or initially tull police the truth because they threatened to

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Speaker 1: harm his daughter and his ex girlfriend. And I do

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Speaker 1: want to see real quick, Nancy. The defense team tells

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Speaker 1: me that they are considering asking Lindsay Voss for a

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Speaker 1: written aff to David, So we'll have to see considering

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Speaker 1: they better drag miss Voss to court and put her

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Speaker 1: under oath a written aff, and David, oh h e

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Speaker 1: w l n oh if I were the prosecutor. In

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Speaker 1: that case, I'd say, no, this is not the quote

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Speaker 1: highest and best evidence, which is a legal objection. As

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Speaker 1: you'll back me up on that, Jason Oceans, the highest

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Speaker 1: and best evidence will be Lindsay Voss herself on the

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Speaker 1: stand under so I can cross examine her because wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, but isn't that true, Jason Oceans, you gotta

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Speaker 1: have the highest and best evidence. No, of course, and

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Speaker 1: I think certainly that is it? Or is it? Of course? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know an anti certainly you want to have the

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Speaker 1: highest and best evidence. Absolutely, yes you do. And no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not settling for an affidavit. Obviously, on the defense side,

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Speaker 1: if I want to convince the judge, I'm going to producer,

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Speaker 1: and certainly from the prosecution's desire to find out if

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Speaker 1: the truth has been proffered or if there's perjury, whatever

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Speaker 1: there might be, prosecution is going to want that. In

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Speaker 1: the same vein, I'm curious, just got Morgan about these

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Speaker 1: other two now killers. If they were in his car,

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Speaker 1: as Matt finn Is telling us he testified at trial,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't their prints be in his car or any of

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Speaker 1: their prints picked up in the car? Yeah? Exactly you know,

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Speaker 1: Edmund Lecard. It goes back over a hundred years. Every

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Speaker 1: contact leaves a trace, Nancy, not only are you talking

507
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Speaker 1: about one person, now you're talking about two people. So

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Speaker 1: we're not only going to have possibly latent prints that

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Speaker 1: are there that are left behind by these individuals. We

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Speaker 1: might have touched DNA that's left behind, we might have

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Speaker 1: some of their hair this left behind. And we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about just some kind of passive activity. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about two individuals that are engaged, engaged in what amounts

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Speaker 1: to a kidnapping of RIVERA. Okay, so this is a

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00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: forceful event. You're going to have a lot of contact,

516
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: manipulation things that are going on. So you're going to

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00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: leave physical evidence behind within this environment environment and I

518
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: can guarantee you this. The individuals that looked at this car,

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00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the forensics people. They went over with

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Speaker 1: a fine tooth. Come, where's the evidence. I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: about anything. Now. Write to Matt Finn, Fox News National correspondent.

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Speaker 1: Matt again, thank you for being with us this Lindsay Voss,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Marie Voss that I keep screaming about and needs

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Speaker 1: to be brought to court and put under oath. Apparently

525
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: she did tell investigators, so she does exist that she

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Speaker 1: had been in a car with Jones the quote real

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Speaker 1: killer when he points a gun to her head and says,

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Speaker 1: quote the Mexicans shouldn't be in jail for killing Molly

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Speaker 1: Tibbots because I raped and killed her. Now, let's just

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Speaker 1: talk about that for a moment. We know that there

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Speaker 1: are court documents indicating Voss was given a restraining order

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Speaker 1: against Jones on June eleven. The defense is also trying

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Speaker 1: to link the disappearance of a little eleven year old boy,

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Speaker 1: Xavier Harrelson in the area to the real Killers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Matt Finn what a big miss. Yeah, the defense tells

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Speaker 1: me that Gavin Jones has a long violent history. And

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Speaker 1: then also in court Thursday, you know, the state said

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Speaker 1: that the fact that the defense is even bringing up

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Speaker 1: this missing boy, which is an active case, was immaterial.

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Speaker 1: It was irrelevant because that's still an active investigation. We

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Speaker 1: don't know the outcome of that. And the judge wrote

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Speaker 1: when his rulings, there is no nexus to that. You know,

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Speaker 1: a buge sex trafficking ring and that missing boy and

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Speaker 1: Molly Tibots. Nancy you know, Jess got Morgan of a

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Speaker 1: fact which I completely oppose, and that is in a

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Speaker 1: small town, there's no sex trafficking. Surprise, even in my

547
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: little hometown of Making the surrounding area, you get to

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00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: the massage parlors and the nailed salons, you will find

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Speaker 1: that people in the massage parlors, many of them are

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Speaker 1: being forced to work. And that was also under uncovered

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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta shootings of various massage parlors where people

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Speaker 1: were brought here to this country forced to work, people

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: sex trafficked as well. I mean, it just it can

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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: happen anywhere. But I do agree with him and that

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that there are that

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Speaker 1: many sex trafficking rings in this one small town. But

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Speaker 1: Matt Finn interesting. The defense noted that the quote real

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Speaker 1: killer Lowe had been accused of running a sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: ring out of a home back in I think it

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Speaker 1: was May of twenty eighteen. Yeah, and anything's possible. I

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Speaker 1: just think that so far this new story doesn't add

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Speaker 1: up or coincide with any of the other former versions

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Speaker 1: of testimony from Christian Rivera. And you know, we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about the Tibet's family. You know, throughout the trial

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Speaker 1: they were telling me they were so satisfied with the

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Speaker 1: prosecution and ultimately the guilty version because quote Christian Rivera

567
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Speaker 1: could never hurt anyone again. So as we've been discussing,

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Speaker 1: you can imagine that this is all being dragged back

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Speaker 1: up in the family. It's just got to feel immense

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Speaker 1: grief that, you know, Rivera's not being sentenced. The information

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Speaker 1: about the prior allegations of a sex trafficking ring against

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Speaker 1: this one guy are going to surface again in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Where do we stand right now? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut thirty two. This is our friends at News

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Speaker 1: Nation Now. The Iowa judge presiding over the sentencing of

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Speaker 1: the men convicted in the twenty eighteen kidnapping and murder

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Speaker 1: of University of Iowa student Molly Tibbets says he will

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Speaker 1: decide by week's end on a defense motion to introduce

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Speaker 1: new evidence. I do anticipate that by week's end I

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Speaker 1: will have a ruling one way the other telling you

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Speaker 1: what we are going to do. The proceedings rocked this

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Speaker 1: week by revelations of potentially exculpatory evidence ahead of the

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Speaker 1: sentencing of Christiane be Hannah Rivera had the information for

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Speaker 1: two years prior to trial. They sat on information. Defense

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Speaker 1: attorney Chad Free saying that the out of court testimony

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Speaker 1: of a former inmate and that of another woman saying

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Speaker 1: she too was trafficked from Brooklyn, Iowa, two months prior

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Speaker 1: to Molly Tibbot's abduction from the same town, needs to

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Speaker 1: be heard. She's picked up by a state trooper, an

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Speaker 1: Iowa state trooper, who then she relays this horrific story

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Speaker 1: of sex trafficking. In this it's a trap house, brothel,

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Speaker 1: drug house. Trap Houses are homes rented for the purpose

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Speaker 1: of selling and distributing drugs and used also for sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: The reality is, Matt Finn, Fox News National Correspondent, all

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Speaker 1: of that may very well be true, that there is

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Speaker 1: a sex trafficking ring and that this guy Lowe was

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00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: accused of sex trafficking in the past. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is this story does not jive, does not coincide, does

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Speaker 1: not fit with anything the defendant himself said happened in

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Speaker 1: any of his previous stories. That's right, And you know,

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Speaker 1: we were also discussing Molly Tivot's decomposed body we saw

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Speaker 1: some of those gruesome pictures and unfortunately her course was

603
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: almost unrecognizable. So this new version doesn't align with the

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Speaker 1: claim that she was alive and being tortured in a

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Speaker 1: house somewhere for some time. And the judge, you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty much agreed in the statement he said that I

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Speaker 1: can't find an exus to the allegation of a sex

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Speaker 1: trafficking ring in Mollatibt's death. I came up jos Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan regarding the period of decomposition of Molly's body. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: make this news story impossible, Yeah, it does, Nancy. She

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00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: had been down probably immediately, and it's really hard, you know,

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Speaker 1: folks out there think that we can actually actually give

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Speaker 1: you an exact date and time of death. However, with

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Speaker 1: brackets around this, we can frame it to say that, no,

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Speaker 1: she once she disappeared, she wasn't alive. She wasn't alive

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Speaker 1: for say a week or two weeks or three weeks

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Speaker 1: after she had last disappeared. She had been down for

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Speaker 1: a protracted period of time that would fit within that

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Speaker 1: time frame of when she was last seen alive. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: this is very critical, jo Scott Morgan, and let me

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Speaker 1: go back. I've already cited two previous cases. Let me

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Speaker 1: cite the Scott Peterson case. The theory that Lacy Peterson

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Speaker 1: was kidnapped by someone that wanted a baby and held

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Speaker 1: hostage for weeks and then the baby Connor was cut

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Speaker 1: out of her stomach. No, because baby Connor emerged from

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Speaker 1: her stomach after her body degenerated in the water, and

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Speaker 1: he Connor was pristine like a little baby dog. So

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Speaker 1: that whole story was disproven by the facts surrounding the

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Speaker 1: decomposition of Lacy's body. And I believe that will be

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Speaker 1: the single strongest element in this scenario to disprove the

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Speaker 1: new theory. We wait as justice unfolds. God willing Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,