WEBVTT - Vanderbilt v. Vanderbilt

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to History on Trial, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart Podcasts. Listener Discretion advised this must have been how

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<v Speaker 1>King Solomon felt. Justice John Francis Carew thought that ancient

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<v Speaker 1>king had once confronted a similar problem to the one

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<v Speaker 1>Carew faced. Now. Two women had come to Solomon, each

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that a baby was theirs. The king watched the

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<v Speaker 1>woman argue back and forth, and then he spoke, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>bring me a sword. Once the sword was at hand,

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<v Speaker 1>the King said, divide the living child in two, and

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<v Speaker 1>give half to the one and half to the other.

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<v Speaker 1>One woman, horrified, said she would rather the other woman

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<v Speaker 1>kept the baby so that it could live. The other

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<v Speaker 1>told the king to go ahead. King Solomon knew at

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<v Speaker 1>once that the first woman must be the child's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>In some ways, the custody case in front of Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Carew was even harder than Solomon's. As a justice of

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<v Speaker 1>the New York State Supreme Court, Carew was not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to use a sword to render judgment. Instead, he would

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<v Speaker 1>have to listen to weeks of testimony and to carefully

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<v Speaker 1>weigh his options. And things only got more complicated from there.

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<v Speaker 1>When Solomon administered his test the Book of King's records,

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<v Speaker 1>his subjects saw that the wisdom of God was in

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<v Speaker 1>him to do judgment. Justice Carew could not hope for

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<v Speaker 1>such a positive reception. No matter what he decided, people

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<v Speaker 1>would be furious, not just the parties involved, but the

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<v Speaker 1>crowds gathered outside the courthouse and the millions of people

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<v Speaker 1>who followed the case avidly in newspapers. For this was

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<v Speaker 1>not an ordinary custody case. The women fighting in front

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice Carew for custody of a ten year old

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<v Speaker 1>girl were not ordinary women. They were members of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the wealthiest and most powerful families in American history,

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<v Speaker 1>and in their battle for custody of this girl, they

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<v Speaker 1>would bring the full force of their names and connections

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<v Speaker 1>to bear, stopping at nothing, from hiring spies to destroying

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<v Speaker 1>reputations to get what they wanted. After all, they were

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<v Speaker 1>used to the world bending to their whims. It often

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<v Speaker 1>does when your last name is Vanderbilt. On the one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>there was the girl's mother, Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt, a defining

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<v Speaker 1>beauty of her generation, a friend to royalty and Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>a regular feet in the society columns. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>there was Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney, Gloria's sister in law, the

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<v Speaker 1>enormously wealthy patron of the arts who had founded her

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<v Speaker 1>own museum. Between them was the girl also named Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years old, with a sleek cap, of thick dark

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<v Speaker 1>hair and a strange, nervous manner. What was she so

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<v Speaker 1>frightened of? The Justice wondered, was one of the women

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<v Speaker 1>the source of her fear? Could one of them cure it?

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<v Speaker 1>There was much to consider, and that was before the

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<v Speaker 1>high priced lawyers, and the interfering grandmother and the hysterical nanny.

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<v Speaker 1>Justice carew shook his head. Perhaps he needed a sword

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<v Speaker 1>after all. Welcome to History on Trial. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Mira Hayward this week the matter of Vanderbilt. For a brief,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful period in the early nineteen twenties, it seemed that

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<v Speaker 1>all of New York society loved the magnificent Morgans. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the newspapers called the Morgan twins, Gloria and Telma,

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<v Speaker 1>and the name fit. They were stunningly beautiful, intriguingly foreign,

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<v Speaker 1>and ever present. The twins had exploded onto the social

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<v Speaker 1>scene in nineteen twenty one, aged seventeen and made a

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<v Speaker 1>strong impression. No one minded that their pedigree was not

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<v Speaker 1>entirely blue blooded. Their father, Harry Hayes Morgan, was a

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<v Speaker 1>career diplomat and not related to the JP Morgans. Their mother, Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>was the daughter of a Civil war general and a

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<v Speaker 1>Chilean aristocrat. The twins had grown up abroad with their

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<v Speaker 1>two older siblings, a brother Hair and a sister Consuelo.

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<v Speaker 1>Their lifestyle had been nomadic and they had picked up

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<v Speaker 1>a number of languages as a result. At seventeen, after

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<v Speaker 1>sporadic schooling, the twins had been left alone in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. Their mission, their mother, Laura, made it clear,

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<v Speaker 1>was to find husbands. Laura Morgan was a domineering, status

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<v Speaker 1>and money obsessed women, as her granddaughter would later reflect, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Morgan did not believe in married love, in friendship

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<v Speaker 1>between women, or that women could ever achieve positions of

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<v Speaker 1>power except through the men they married. The twins knew

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<v Speaker 1>that for their financial security they would need to make

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<v Speaker 1>good matches. Still, they were going to enjoy their independence

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<v Speaker 1>while they could. They showed up to parties in stunning

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<v Speaker 1>dresses they had sown themselves dancing until the wee hours

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<v Speaker 1>charming the social columnists. The photographer Cecil Beaten was one

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<v Speaker 1>of many who found himself drawn to Gloria and Telma.

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<v Speaker 1>They are alike as two magnolias, Beaten wrote, and with

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<v Speaker 1>their marble complexions, raven tresses and flowing dresses, with their

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<v Speaker 1>slight lisps and foreign accents, they diffuse an atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 1>hot house elegance and lacy femininity. Soon enough, Telma caught

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<v Speaker 1>the eye of Junior Converse, scion of a wealthy family,

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<v Speaker 1>and in February nineteen twenty two, the couple eloped. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>their return to New York, they hosted a dinner party,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was there that Gloria met the man whose

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<v Speaker 1>family would shape her life. He was unprepossessing, this man

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twenty five years older than Gloria, with a bushy mustache,

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<v Speaker 1>graying hair, and the flush complexion and bulging belly of

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy drinker he was. Despite all of this, the

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<v Speaker 1>man was considered the most eligible bachelor in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>all because his name was Reggie Vanderbilt. Wealth did not

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<v Speaker 1>serve Reggie Vanderbilt well born in eighteen eighty, he was

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest son of Alice and Cornelius Vanderbilt, the second

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<v Speaker 1>the couple who built the famous or infamous one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty eight thousand square foot Newport vacation home known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Breakers. Raised in luxury, Reggie wanted for nothing

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<v Speaker 1>and never faced consequences. On his twenty first birthday, he

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<v Speaker 1>inherited several trusts worth approximately fifteen point five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, to celebrate his windfall, he went gambling and

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<v Speaker 1>lost seventy thousand dollars. By nineteen fifteen, as part of

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation into Reggie for tax fraud, authorities discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>all he had left was the income off of the

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<v Speaker 1>one trust, whose principle he could not touch. In fourteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>Reggie had spent nearly twenty five or in today's money,

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred and twenty three million dollars. Four years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Reggie's first wife, Kathleen, divorced him. The couple had married

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh three and had one daughter, also named Kathleen,

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<v Speaker 1>who in nineteen twenty two was almost exactly the same

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<v Speaker 1>age as her father's new love interest, Gloria Morgan. Kathleen

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<v Speaker 1>and Gloria were close for a while until Reggie told

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter of his plan to propose to her good friend, Gloria.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen fled to her mother's house in Florida. Reggie bought

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<v Speaker 1>a sixteen carrot heart shaped diamond engagement ring. Gloria Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>knew who she was married, wrying Reggie had told her

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<v Speaker 1>about his financial difficulties. He had explained his health problems

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<v Speaker 1>to her too. Reggie's drinking was quickly killing him, but

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<v Speaker 1>still Gloria wished to marry him. She seemed to see

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<v Speaker 1>Reggie as something of a father figure. Her own father

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<v Speaker 1>had often been absent, and she liked how Reggie took

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<v Speaker 1>care of her. After winning over Reggie's mother, Alice with

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<v Speaker 1>her bold personality, Gloria married Reggie on March sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Eleven months later, on February twentieth, nineteen twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria gave birth to a baby who the couple named

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria Laura Vanderbilt. To keep the Glorias apart, I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>the child Little Gloria, as her mother's family did. The

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<v Speaker 1>couple designated Reggie's older sister, Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney as Little

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria as godmother. Laura Morgan Glory, Loria's mother, helped her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter with the difficult early days of parenthood. Soon as

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<v Speaker 1>was her way, Laura had completely taken charge. She was

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<v Speaker 1>the one who selected and hired the baby's nanny, Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan Keislich. The thirty three year old nanny was well

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<v Speaker 1>trained and had worked with a number of other wealthy families.

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<v Speaker 1>But most importantly to Laura's mind, Nurse Keeslick had the

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<v Speaker 1>same view of little Gloria that she did. To their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>little Gloria was not an ordinary baby. She was special.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a Vanderbilt, practically American royalty. Laura and Nurse

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<v Speaker 1>Keeslick treated the baby like she was made of glass.

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<v Speaker 1>As author Barbara Goldsmith writes in Little Gloria Happy at Last,

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<v Speaker 1>her account of the trial, quote, the child was the

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<v Speaker 1>main concern of their lives and their justification for being

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<v Speaker 1>in Gloria's household. Their obsessive focus on the baby would

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<v Speaker 1>one day have devastating consequences for the entire family. On

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<v Speaker 1>September fourth, nineteen twenty five, Reggie Vanderbilt died from alcoholic cirrhosis,

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<v Speaker 1>aged forty five. Gloria barely had time to mourn her

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<v Speaker 1>husband before the bill collectors came knocking on her door.

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<v Speaker 1>The extent of Reggie's debts soon revealed itself. He owed

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of dollars. He had left Gloria with

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<v Speaker 1>almost nothing of her own. However, their daughter, Little Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>inherited her father's one remaining asset, the inviolable trust, whose

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<v Speaker 1>principle he was never able to touch. She and her

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<v Speaker 1>older sister Kathleen, each received half of this money, two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half million dollars each, to be held in

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<v Speaker 1>trust until they were twenty one. Laura Morgan suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria reach out to a family friend, the lawyer George Wickersham,

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<v Speaker 1>for financial and legal advice. Wickersham sent over an associate,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Gilchrist, to help the thirty nine year old. Gilchrist

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<v Speaker 1>advised Gloria that her daughter would need a legal and

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<v Speaker 1>financial guardian. Gloria, who was only twenty at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>was not old enough to serve in these roles. The

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<v Speaker 1>law said you had to be twenty one. Wickersham agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the guardian ships, with Gilchrist acting as

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<v Speaker 1>his representative. Eventually, Gilchrist would become an official guardian Gilchrist

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<v Speaker 1>and Wickersham helped Gloria prepare a petition asking that money

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<v Speaker 1>be withdrawn from Little Gloria's Trust to support herself and

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<v Speaker 1>her child. Justice James Foley of the Surrogate's Court, the

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<v Speaker 1>legal body which administered estates in New York, approved Gloria's

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<v Speaker 1>request for four thousand dollars into day money seventy one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a month. That is an enormous sum to

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<v Speaker 1>most of us, but within Gloria's circles, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>paltry amount, especially considering that Gloria soon began financially supporting

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<v Speaker 1>her parents. It should also be noted that this amount

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<v Speaker 1>was well within the income the trust generated each year.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen twenty six, Gloria decided to move to Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>Little Gloria's guardian, Thomas Gilchrist, objected to this plan, believing

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<v Speaker 1>that it was better for the child to be raised

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<v Speaker 1>in America. He threatened Gloria, telling her that Justice Foley

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<v Speaker 1>would cut her income off, but Justice Foley had no

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<v Speaker 1>such plans. He told Gloria to enjoy life abroad, but

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<v Speaker 1>said that she ought to bring the child home when

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<v Speaker 1>it was school aged. Gloria happily agreed and set off

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<v Speaker 1>for Paris. These years in Europe were happy ones. Mostly,

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria lived the life of a beautiful young society widow,

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<v Speaker 1>staying out late, taking trips to the south of France,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing cocktail parties. Like nearly all wealthy women of her generation,

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria left the child care to the nanny. Nurse Keislich

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<v Speaker 1>and Laura Morgan created a loving, if over protective atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>for the toddler, but beneath the surface, trouble was stirring.

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<v Speaker 1>In October nineteen twenty six, Gloria met Gutfried, Prince of

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<v Speaker 1>ho and Loah Landenberg on a ship. Friedel, as friends

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<v Speaker 1>called him, was close to Gloria's age, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>bonded as they crossed the Atlantic. Within months they were

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<v Speaker 1>in love. In March nineteen twenty seven, they announced their engagement.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two problems though. First, Friedel had no money

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<v Speaker 1>you would not have any until the death of his father,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Gilchrist told Gloria that her daughter's money could not

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<v Speaker 1>be used to support a new husband. Secondly, there was

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<v Speaker 1>the problem of Laura Morgan, Gloria's mother, Always tightly wound

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<v Speaker 1>and prone to hysteria had become increasingly unhinged. She was

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with Little Gloria's safety. She saw Friedel as a

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<v Speaker 1>threat to her granddaughter's well being, and this threat was

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<v Speaker 1>not metaphorical. She believed, on the basis of no evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>that Friedel would murder Little Gloria for her money. Soon

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<v Speaker 1>this year expanded, Laura began openly claiming that Friedel and

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria were trying to kill the child. Nurse Keieslich, who

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<v Speaker 1>had become obsessed with the child, refusing to ever leave

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<v Speaker 1>her side, fell into step with Laura's paranoid fantasy. Little Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>who loved her grandmother and her nanny fiercely, could not

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<v Speaker 1>help but absorb their anxieties. After a year of stress

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<v Speaker 1>from all sides, Gloria and Friedol decided to call off

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<v Speaker 1>their engagement. Gloria kicked her mother out of her house

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris. Laura moved into a hotel ten blocks away.

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<v Speaker 1>Nurse Keislick took Little Gloria to visit her regularly. Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>began spending more time in England, where her twin sister

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<v Speaker 1>Telma was living. Telma had by now divorced her first husband,

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<v Speaker 1>married a wealthy English viscount and started an affair with

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<v Speaker 1>the Prince of Wales. Life was a whirlwind of parties

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<v Speaker 1>and hunts, and even a presentation at court, but by

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty Gloria was receiving increasing pressure from Gilchrist to

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<v Speaker 1>return to America. He held her financial position over her head,

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<v Speaker 1>constantly threatening to cut her off. To Gloria, the arrangement

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<v Speaker 1>was unbearable. She later wrote, quote, everything was under constant surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>I was never able to do anything on my own

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<v Speaker 1>initiative when it came to expenditures without first consulting my

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<v Speaker 1>child's guardians. Gilchrist's desire to control Gloria's life is at

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<v Speaker 1>times difficult to understand. There are several factors that might

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<v Speaker 1>explain it. A genuine desire to serve the child's financial interests,

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<v Speaker 1>Gilchrist's condescending paternalistic feelings towards the elder Gloria, and most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was receiving regular letters from Laura

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan claiming that Gloria was an unfit mother. Eventually, Gilchrist

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<v Speaker 1>and Wickersham issued an ultimatum. If Gloria and seven year

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<v Speaker 1>old little Gloria did not return to America in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two, they would be cut off financially. Reluctantly, Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>made reservations on an ocean liner. The America that the

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilts returned to was a much bleaker country than the

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<v Speaker 1>one they had left. The Great Depression had ravaged the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Kidnappings for ransom were on the rise, and wealthy families

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<v Speaker 1>were hiring bodyguards to protect their children. Nurse Kislich was

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<v Speaker 1>terrified of Little Gloria being kidnapped and spoke constantly of

0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the danger. This annoyed Gloria Vanderbilt, who did not believe

0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that her daughter was at risk. But she was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Already plans were being put in place to take Little

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria away from her. It was not anonymous criminals who

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<v Speaker 1>were planning the kidnapping, though, it was the child's own family.

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<v Speaker 1>For all the conflict that would define Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt

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<v Speaker 1>and Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney's relationship, the two women had a

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<v Speaker 1>surprising amount in common. They had both been raised by

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<v Speaker 1>status ofsessed mothers, were both bound by strict social conventions,

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<v Speaker 1>and both had a taste for pleasure. The biggest difference

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<v Speaker 1>between the two ultimately was money. Gloria, despite her lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 1>did not have any money of her own. Gertrude, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, controlled one of the largest fortunes in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Gertrude was born on January ninth, eighteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>the second daughter of Alice and Cornelius Vanderbilt. The second

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<v Speaker 1>She was five years older than her brother Reggie, making

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<v Speaker 1>her thirty years older than her sister in law Gloria.

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<v Speaker 1>From childhood, Gertrude had had an overwhelming a waywareness of

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<v Speaker 1>her social status and the expectations for a woman in

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<v Speaker 1>her position. She consciously developed a chilly, impenetrable shell of

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<v Speaker 1>perfect manners which concealed her inner desires, perhaps because she

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<v Speaker 1>knew that those desires would shock society. As a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>Gertrude fell in love with another woman. The two began

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<v Speaker 1>a passionate three year relationship that lasted until Gertrude was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. By eighteen ninety six, Gertrude's feelings for her

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend had begun to fade, and she turned her attention

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<v Speaker 1>to Harry Payne Whitney, the dashing, handsome air to a

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<v Speaker 1>prestigious family In eighteen ninety six, she married Harry in

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<v Speaker 1>the social event of the season. The couple would have

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<v Speaker 1>three children. Like Gloria, they left the raising of these

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<v Speaker 1>children to Nanny's. Though their life was filled with luxury,

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage was not a happy one. The Whitneys had

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<v Speaker 1>little in common, and Harry was frequently unfaithful. To occupy herself,

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude began to explore the art world. She took up

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<v Speaker 1>sculpting and then collecting. By the nineteen twenties, she had

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<v Speaker 1>established herself as one of the foremost patrons of American art.

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<v Speaker 1>She had also established a hidden private life, playing out

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<v Speaker 1>beneath her public role as a respectable society matron. In

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<v Speaker 1>the second life, she was a bohemian, throwing wild parties

0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:38.239
<v Speaker 1>in her downtown art studio for her artist friends and

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<v Speaker 1>having affairs of her own. In both lives, public and private,

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<v Speaker 1>she was a force to be reckoned with. My ways

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.919
<v Speaker 1>are deep, Gertrude wrote of herself, and I cover my

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:57.199
<v Speaker 1>tracks with discretion, but nonetheless, when I want something, it

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<v Speaker 1>often happens. In nineteen twenty nine, the Metropolitan Museum of

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<v Speaker 1>Art declined Gertrude's donation of her entire collection of American art.

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude wanted to keep her collection together, and she wanted

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it to be displayed. So she did what any passionate

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>collector with a mind boggling fortune would do. She created

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<v Speaker 1>a museum of her own. The Whitney Museum of American

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<v Speaker 1>Art opened in New York City in nineteen thirty one

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and today attracts more than seven hundred thousand visitors a year.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty Harry Whitney died, bequeathing Gertrude his five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand acre of Long Island estate, Wheatley Hills. It was

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<v Speaker 1>at Wheatley Hills that the true trouble with Little Gloria began.

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<v Speaker 1>In the summer of nineteen thirty two, after the two

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<v Speaker 1>Glorias returned from their years abroad, a doctor informed Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>that her daughter needed to have her tonsils removed. The

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<v Speaker 1>surgery went smoothly, but a week after the night before

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Gloria planned to take a trip to Europe, the child

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<v Speaker 1>had a hysterical fit, screaming that she was going to die.

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Gloria pushed back her trip. The next day, Gertrude stopped by.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked Gloria if she could take the child to

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<v Speaker 1>Wheatley Hills for the summer so she could recover from

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:28.919
<v Speaker 1>her surgery in a peaceful environment. Gloria readily accepted. At

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<v Speaker 1>Wheatley Hills, little Gloria's troubles continued. She seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>in constant pain, but none of the eight physicians that

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Nurse Keeslick was constantly summoning to the house could find

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 1>anything physically wrong with her. Little Gloria had night terrors

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and emotional outbursts. Gertrude Whitney was concerned. She had received

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.639
<v Speaker 1>letters from Laura Morgan and Nurse Keeslick while they had

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<v Speaker 1>been abroad, letters full of concerns over the environment that

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Little Gloria was growing up in. They had portrayed the

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>elder Gloria as an immoral pleasure seeker. Laura had also

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 1>expressed darker concerns, fears that Gloria might harm the child.

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude had thought these concerns far fetched, but now that

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<v Speaker 1>she spent more time with Little Gloria witnessed her panic

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and instability, she began to believe, especially as the child's

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<v Speaker 1>conditions seemed to improve while away from her mother. By

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the fall, little Gloria seemed happier and healthier, and even

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 1>began school on Long Island. In September, Gertrude telegrammed Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe and asked if little Gloria could stay through Christmas.

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Gloria said yes. In January, Gloria returned to New York,

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>but after her return, Telma wrote to her that their

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>father was dying. Gloria quickly headed to Europe, but did

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<v Speaker 1>not tell Gertrude or Thomas Gilchrist why. Gertrude and Gilchrist

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 1>were concerned. How could Gloria so casually leave her child.

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Gilchrist wrote a sternly worded letter to Gloria demanding that

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<v Speaker 1>she returned to New York or be cut off, But

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>when Gloria met with Gilchrist, he informed her that her

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 1>daughter would be staying at Wheatley Hill's. Gloria was confused.

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<v Speaker 1>On the one hand, Gilchrist was telling her that she

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<v Speaker 1>needed to have her daughter with her in order to

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<v Speaker 1>receive money, but he was also saying that she could

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<v Speaker 1>not have her daughter back. Gilchrist also decided to alter

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<v Speaker 1>the financial arrangements. Instead of Gloria receiving four thousand dollars

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 1>a month to cover all expenses. He would pay household

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<v Speaker 1>expenses straight from the trust, and Gloria would receive a

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<v Speaker 1>reduced income of seven hundred and fifty dollars a month,

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<v Speaker 1>plus two hundred and fifty dollars to give to Laura Morgan,

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<v Speaker 1>who was supporting. Unbeknownst to Gloria, Gilchris used his new

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>power to hire household servants that spied on Gloria and

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>reported on her lifestyle to him. This uneasy situation continued

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<v Speaker 1>through nineteen thirty three. Gloria visited her daughter occasionally at

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<v Speaker 1>Wheatley Hills, but spent most of the year abroad. In September,

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<v Speaker 1>she met with Gertrude to discuss Little Gloria. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an unproductive conversation, as Barbara Goldsmith writes, quote, neither woman

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>would speak of her true concerns. Gloria would say nothing

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of what she felt to be the punitive financial measures

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that were being enacted against her because of the child's absence.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude would not speak of her apprehension regarding the atmosphere,

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>which she had come to consider both morally and physically

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>dangerous to her niece. There existed between these two women

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<v Speaker 1>an exquisite non communication that avoided all the ugly realities

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of their relationship. Concerned that things were progressing beyond her control,

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Gloria contacted a lawyer named Nathan Berkin. Berkin, of Romanian

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 1>born jew had immigrated to New York as a child

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and grown up in the tenements of the Lower East Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Max Stoyer, the defense lawyer in the Triangle firecase

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.360
<v Speaker 1>covered in episode six of History on Trial, Berkin had

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 1>used his intelligence and work ethic to rise to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the legal profession. He represented many show business

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>clients and to help found the American Society of Composers,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Authors and Publishers to help musicians protect their intellectual property.

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<v Speaker 1>Now fifty four, Berkin had a long Island mansion of

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<v Speaker 1>his own and a thriving law practice. He quickly agreed

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to help Gloria Vanderbilt. Berkin's hiring was seen by Laura,

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude and Nurse gos Keislick as another sign that Gloria

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>was unfit to raise her child, not because she was

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>getting a lawyer involved, but because that lawyer was Jewish.

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Berkin suggested that Gloria apply to become the sole guardian

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of little Gloria and the co guardian of Little Gloria's property.

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Gloria liked the idea, but was concerned that it was

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>too bold. She was worried about alienating Alice Vanderbilt, Reggie,

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and Gertrude's mother, who she had always had a good

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>relationship with. Gloria also didn't have enough money to pay

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Burkin's legal fees. But in April nineteen thirty four, Alice

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt died, aged eighty eight. She left Gloria one hundred

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in her will. Gloria told Burkin to move

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>forward with the petition. He submitted the petition to the

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Surrogate's Court on June eighteenth. Thomas Gilchrist, as the existing

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>guardian of Little Gloria's property, received notice of the petition,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and he quickly notified Gertrude Whitney. Gertrude was concerned over

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the past two years, Little Gloria had grown strong and

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>happy at Wheatly Hill's All that progress might be undone

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>if she had to return to her mother. Gertrude began

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to hatch a plan. On July third, Justice James Foley

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of the Surrogate's Court heard Gloria's application for guardianship. It

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>should have been a routine hearing, but once Nathan Burkin

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>finished reading the application aloud, a man at the back

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of the courtroom declared, I object to the petition. Fully

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>summoned the man to the bench and asked on what

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>grounds he objected. On the grounds the man replied, of

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>unfit guardianship, Foley said he would hear more in his

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>chambers after lunch. Gloria was horrified, and her shock only

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>increased after lunch, when it was real that the man

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>who had objected had done so on behalf of her

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>own mother, Laura Morgan. Gloria didn't know it then, but

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude and Laura had worked together, deciding that it would

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 1>look best if the child's grandmother was the public face

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of the objection. Aware that the stakes were now raised,

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Nathan Burkin advised that Gloria take a more aggressive tack

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>against Gertrude. He told her to begin gathering affidavits that

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>testified to her fitness as a mother. Burkin also hired

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a private investigator to surveil Laura Morgan and gathered dirt

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>on Gertrude Whitney. The Whitney camp was working along similar lines,

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>hiring detectives of their own to follow and investigate Gloria Vanderbilt.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, Justice Folly was holding regular meetings for

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the two camps to try to work something out. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>a compromise was reached, although the terms were understood different

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>by each side. In essence, Little Gloria would stay for

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a year with Gertrude, spending one month of the summer

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>with her mother. Gloria could see her daughter whenever she wished.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>After that, Gloria believed that Little Gloria would return to

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>her custody full time. Gertrude, on the other hand, believed

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that at this point a further discussion over custody would

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>be had. In August, Gloria sailed to Europe to collect

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>affidavits from her friends. Upon her return in September, she

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>called Gertrude Whitney on the phone. The women realized that

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>they had different understandings of the agreement, and Gloria became

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>frightened that Gertrude planned to contest her custody every year.

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>She asked Gertrude to send Little Gloria to her house

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in New York City for the weekend and Gertrude agreed.

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Gloria consulted with Burkin about the development. He advised Gloria

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to buy a house of her own near Girha Trudes

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>on Long Island. That would undermine Gilchrist and Gertrude's argument

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that Little Gloria needed to stay at Wheatley Hills because

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>country living was better for the child. That weekend, Gloria,

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>excited about the plan, told Nurse Keeslick that Little Gloria

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>would soon be living with her full time. This was

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a mistake. Nurse Keeslick, while out with Little Gloria, called

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude Whitney. Gertrude told Keeslick to bring the child to

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>her quickly. Soon, Gloria realized that her child was missing. Furious,

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>she and her sister Consuelo sped to Gertrude's city home

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and demanded to see little Gloria. Gertrude claimed that Little

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Gloria had gotten sick and that she was simply caring

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>for her. Gloria was incensed and spotting Nurse Keeslick immediately

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>fired her. Then she asked for her daughter again, But

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>when Little Gloria appeared, she seemed to be terrified of

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>her mother, take her away. Don't let her hurt me.

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>She's going to kill me, she cried. Gloria could not

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>understand what was happening. Two doctors were summoned to examine

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>little Gloria. After some time with the doctors, little Gloria

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>seemed to calm down, even hugging and kissing her mother.

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>But Gloria was still frightened. She believed that Gertrude and

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Laura and Nurse Keyslich were turning her child against her.

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>She knew Little Gloria was supposed to say at Gertrude's

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>that week to attend school, but after the events of

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the day, she felt she could not allow Little Gloria

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to stay with Gertrude for one moment more. She went

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to Nathan Burkin's office and told him she needed Little

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Gloria back now. Berkin cautioned her against taking any drastic

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>actions which could lead to a court battle, but Gloria

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>was at the end of her rope. She had spent

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the past two years in a date of limbo, and

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>she felt it had been a mistake to wait so long.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>She thought her child had been poisoned against her while

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.399
<v Speaker 1>she waited. She told Burkin to do whatever it took.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>On September twenty third, a process server arrived at Gertrude

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Whitney's house at Wheatley Hill's. Gertrude refused to receive the

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>legal papers he had brought. He returned thirty minutes later

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and told Gertrude's footman, quote, tell missus Whitney that unless

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>she accepts in person, I will plaster the whole front

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>of her city mansion with these court papers. Gertrude Whitney

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>came down the stairs and took the papers. Burkin had

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 1>sent her a writ of habeas corpus, an order to

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>produce someone before a court. This writ demanded that Gertrude

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Whitney present little Gloria to New York Supreme Court Justice

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>John Francis Carew. It also commanded her to explain why

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>she had quote wrongfully recived, strained, and detained the child.

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>After years of below the surface dealings, the Vanderbilt case

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>had suddenly erupted into the public eye. There was no

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 1>going back now, and if the actions of the first

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>weeks of September were any indication, things were going to

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>get very, very ugly. On Monday October one, nineteen thirty four,

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>The matter of Vanderbilt began in Courtroom number three hundred

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and fifty five of the New York Supreme Court. Justice

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>John Francis Carew presided there would be no jury in

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>this case. Justice Carew would hear all the testimony and

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>make a decision on his own. Carew was fifty eight,

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a lifelong New Yorker and a socially conservative, devout Catholic.

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>He was inclined to keep children with their parents, telling

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude Whitney at a pre trie hearing quote, only the

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>most unusual circumstances warrant the refusal of custody of a

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>child in favor of any other relative, no matter how

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 1>unselfish the motives of the relative might be. The burden

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of proof was on Gertrude to prove that Gloria was

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>an unfit mother. Knowing that they faced a difficult fight,

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude's team had brought on an experienced trial lawyer, Herbert

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Crommelin Smith. Smith's first witness with little Gloria's life, long nanny,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>nurse Emma Sullivan Keieslich Keeslick, now in her mid forties,

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>was a large woman with heavy features, Little Gloria called

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>her Dodo Keeslich was devoted to her charge and had

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>spent the past ten years harboring a growing hatred for

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Gloria Vanderbilt. On the witness stand, her anger irrupted. She

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 1>described Gloria Vanderbilt as an immoral party girl and an

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>absentee mother. I will never understand the type of woman

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Missus Vanderbilt is. She said she had seen Gloria in

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>bed with Prince Friedel. She claimed she and Little Gloria,

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>she said, had been abandoned in rat infested ramshackle houses

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 1>in France and England while Gloria swanned around. Her personal

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>dislike for Gloria was so evident that Justice Carew cautioned her,

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>saying this credits a witness. When the witness seems to

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>be too eager, it throws a partisan spirit, which discounts

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>her testimony severely. His multiple warnings went unheeded, and Kislick's

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>testimony became increasingly angry and unhinged. By the time she

0:37:55.000 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>stepped down. Many people watching, including Carew, were con discerned

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>about the impact a woman like this might have on

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>a child. The defense next called Maria Kyo. The twenty

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>three year old frenchwoman had been Gloria Vanderbilt's personal maid

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 1>for four years from nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty three.

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Like Kieslich, Kyo described troubling goings on in the Vanderbilt household.

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>There were parties that lasted all night and kept the

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>child awake. Kyo said at these parties, people got so

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>drunk that they couldn't walk. Kyo also claimed to have

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>seen pornographic books and photographs in the house. On cross

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Nathan Burkin undermined Kyo's credibility, getting her to admit that

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>she had been promised money for her testimony, although she

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>would not say by whom. Shaken Kyo seemed to crumble

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>under Berkin's questioning, admitting that she didn't know if Gloria

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>was frequently drunk, as she had claimed on direct examination,

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>but that she had only assumed that Gloria was because

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>quote she always smiled and often repeated herself. Cayo admitted

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that many of Gloria's friends were perfectly respectable people. By

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the end of the cross examination, Burkein must have felt

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that Cayo had become his witness, but then he pushed

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>things too far. You saw nothing improper in her conduct,

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>he asked. Kyo, paused, yes, I remember something. It seems

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>to me very funny. Burkin should have quit while he

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was ahead, but instead he asked Cayo for details. Certain

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that this would be another non story like all her others,

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Cayoe obligingly described a scene in the south of France

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>where Gloria had been traveling with her friend Nadezhda, Marchioness

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of Milford Haven. When I came into the bedroom one morning,

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Cayoe said, Missus Vanderbilt was in bed reading a paper,

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and there was Lady Milford Haven beside the bed with

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>her arm around Missus Vanderbilt's neck and kissing her just

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like a lover. A stunned silence fell over the courtroom.

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Homosexual behavior was a crime in most states at the time,

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>including New York. Homosexuality itself was seen by many to

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>be immoral, deviant, and indicative of mental problems. The news

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.439
<v Speaker 1>of Gloria Vanderbilt's alleged lesbian relationship with a British aristocrat

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>made international news. Justice Carew was horrified both by the

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>allegation and by the potential damage the testimony might have

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>on the child. He ordered that the trial was to

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>be private from that moment forward. The next morning, Carew

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>called all the lawyers into his chambers. He told him

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that he recommended an out of court settlement. Frank Crocker,

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>a longtime legal representative of Gertrude Whitney, told Justice Carew

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that there would be no more scandalous testimony. Their case

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>was based on neglect, not character assassination. Carew allowed the

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>trial to proceed. He also said he would again admit

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the press, but he never did. Carew's approach to the

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>press would be baffling for reporters. He wanted to protect

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the trial participants privacy and reputations, but he also didn't

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like being criticized for cutting the press off. He decided

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to give the reporters summarized versions of each day's testimony,

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>but his summaries were often vague and inaccurate, and both

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 1>sides quickly began leaking transcripts favorable to their own cases,

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>So the story that emerged for the public was full

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of contradictions and contextless statements. The public was absolutely obsessed

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>with the trial. Conditions in America were dire. Thousands of

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>people were unemployed and hungry, and this kind of glamorous

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>yet tragic trial was the perfect distraction. Public opinion largely

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>favored Gloria Vanderbilt, who many saw as a struggling widow

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>being persecuted by her wealthy sister in law. Crowds of

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>women would gather outside the courtroom and cheer for Gloria

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>when she emerged. Laura Morgan felt no such sympathy for

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:43.720
<v Speaker 1>her daughter. During her testimony on October ninth, she ripped

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>into Gloria, It is not my daughter's fault, but she

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>has not been born with a maternal instinct. She was

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 1>indifferent to the child, she proclaimed. Laura also focused on

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the gaps in Little Gloria's religious education. The issue of

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 1>real religion had come up several times during Kieslik and

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Cayote's testimony too. In truth, religion had not been especially

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 1>important to any of Little Gloria's caregivers, but it was

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>very important to justice carew and so lawyers on both

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>sides instructed the witnesses to discuss how they wished to

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 1>raise Little Gloria as a good Catholic. Laura Morgan held

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a large gold crucifix in her left hand throughout her testimony.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>When Herbert Smith asked her about Gloria's morals, Laura began

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to sob and raise the crucifix in front of her face.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 1>A strange fact emerged during Berkin's cross examination of Laura.

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>During a routine line of questioning about guardianship, Laura revealed

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that she believed Gloria to already be the child's legal guardian.

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Berkin explained that she was not because she had only

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>been twenty when Reggie died. That is not true, said Laura,

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>claiming that Gloria had been twenty one. She said her

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.879
<v Speaker 1>twins had been born on August twenty third, nineteen oh four,

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 1>not August twenty third, nineteen oh five, as the guardianship

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 1>papers declared. This came as a shock to everyone in

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom, Gloria Vanderbilt included Laura. It later came out,

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>had lied to her daughters about their birth year, believing

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that younger women were more eligible brides. This pointless lie

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>had sparked years of misery. Had Gloria known she was

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty one at the time of Reggie's death, she could

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.959
<v Speaker 1>have become her daughter's legal and financial guardian and none

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 1>of this would have happened. But unfortunately, it was too

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>late to go back now. There were a number of

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>other witnesses who testified for Gertrude's case, Gertrude herself who

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 1>spoke mildly about Little Gloria's happy life at Wheatley Hill's,

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>employees of Gloria's who discussed her fast living. These were

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the same servants that Thomas Gilchrist had hired to spy

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>on Gloria, and several doctors who discussed Little Gloria's physical

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and emotional problems. They all provided helpful information. But just

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 1>as Carew knew that he now needed to speak to

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Little Gloria herself, wishing to spare her the ordeal of

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>public testimony, krew decided to have Little Gloria speak to

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>him in his chambers. Herbert Smith and Nathan Burkin were

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>also present. Little Gloria quickly made it clear that she

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>hated and feared her mother. She has never been nice

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to me, little Gloria said. Carew asked her about letters

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>she had written to her mother, where she said that

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>she loved her. No, I did not, never, said Little Gloria.

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I used to write letters to her because I was

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>afraid of her. Do I have to go back to her.

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Little Gloria asked, I think you will want to Carew replied.

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Little Gloria began to sob. No, she cried. Carew was

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 1>deeply troubled, but there was something strange about Little Gloria's answers.

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>She could not explain why she did not like her

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 1>mother or why she was afraid of her. She could

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>not give examples of any way in which her mother

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 1>had hurt her, and there was something else. She seemed

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 1>to have anticipated what questions would be asked, sometimes giving

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 1>answers that seemed rehearsed, but her tears and her fear

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>seemed very real. Un Settled, Carew turned to more familiar ground,

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church. He began testing Little Gloria on a

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>litany of Catholic prayers and rituals. Nervous Little Gloria froze

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and struggled to remember words. After nearly two and a

0:46:55.719 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>half hours of questioning, little Gloria left the courthouse. Carew

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>was concerned. The child was clearly troubled, but he could

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 1>not understand just what was going on. Unfortunately for Gloria,

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>her own witnesses did not do much to counteract the

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>damaging testimony. Of her daughter. Nathan Burkin had originally threatened

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to go after Gertrude's reputation, calling in witnesses from the

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>art world who could testify to her own partying and bisexuality,

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 1>but Theobald Matthew, a lawyer representing Lady Milford Haven, advised

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Berkan against it, warning that this would cause Gertrude's lawyers

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>to go after Gloria even harder than they already had.

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 1>So Instead, Berkan presented a number of Gloria's friends, all

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 1>of whom said that she was an affectionate and caring mother.

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Gloria's former fiance, Prince Friedel, came over from Europe with

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 1>his wife, Princess Marina, both of whom testified on Gloria's behalf.

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:04.360
<v Speaker 1>So did Glodelaria's twin Telma, and her brother Harry. None

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 1>of their testimony was very compelling, and the absence of

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>certain witnesses implicated in Gloria's scandalous behavior, including Lady Milford Haven,

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>raised questions about whether the allegations against them were true. Finally,

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Gloria herself testified during the trial. Nathan Burkin had urged

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>her to appear weak and helpless to feed into the

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>public narrative, but Gloria didn't need to act. She had

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.800
<v Speaker 1>had health problems ever since catching diphtheria right before her wedding,

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and the trial had driven her to the point of

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>emotional and physical collapse. She had lost seventeen pounds off

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>her already slim figure by the time she testified on

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the stand. Gloria frequently felt fate, cried, and took breaks.

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Berkin led her through her early life, marriage and the

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>birth of Little Gloria. Emotionally, Gloria proclaimed her love for

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>her daughter, Mister Burkin, the only thing I want to

0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>say is this. I loved my baby then as I

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.840
<v Speaker 1>love her now, and there is no use asking me

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 1>how much I love her, because I do love her.

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Fragile and passionate Gloria made for a sympathetic witness, but

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Herbert Smith's cross examination of her was damaging. He brought

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 1>up letters that Little Gloria had written to her grandmother

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>in which she criticized her mother. In one, Little Gloria wrote, quote,

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>my mother was in Paris enjoying herself, while poor me

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>was unhappy in England. Gloria claimed that Little Gloria had

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>been forced to write this either by Nurse Keieslich or

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>by Laura Morgan, but she had no evidence to support

0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:01.360
<v Speaker 1>her claim. More damning was Smith's account of Gloria's travels

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>during her daughter's lifetime. Between nineteen twenty five and nineteen

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>thirty three, Gloria had traveled almost constantly, never staying in

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:14.240
<v Speaker 1>one place for more than a few months. After Smith

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>took her through all of these trips, he asked, quote,

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>did you spend one percent of all the days of

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the year with your child? Later, when Smith pressed her

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.720
<v Speaker 1>on the issue again, Gloria shot back that Gertrude traveled

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>nearly as much, which was true, but Smith quickly rejoined, quote,

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 1>how does that compare with your absences time and again

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 1>with your daughter lying sick? He had made his point

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>On Tuesday, November thirteenth, after nearly seven weeks, both sides

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>rested just as Carew paused for a moment and then spoke.

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:59.959
<v Speaker 1>In the matter of Vanderbilt, he had concluded that the child,

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Gloria Laura Vanderbilt, should live with Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney. Justice.

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Carew's full statement in court that day was a somewhat

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 1>ambiguous one. What he said was this quote. This child

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 1>is very much better off where it is than where

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 1>it was. Nevertheless, this mother is a young woman. I

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.280
<v Speaker 1>don't think this child should be altogether taken from this woman.

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 1>The child certainly today is very very strongly prejudiced against

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the mother. I would be glad if the mother could

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity, first of all, to win back the

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:49.720
<v Speaker 1>confidence and affection of the child, and second to show

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>that her future conduct will not be as her past

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>conduct has been. Nathan Burkin was confused. How was Gloria

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt supposed to make a stronger connection with her daughter

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>if the child was living with another woman, a woman

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>who was hostile to Gloria. Carew responded that that was

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 1>for the lawyers to sort out. The custody arrangement would

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 1>be hammered out in a series of conferences over the

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 1>next week. Ultimately, it was determined that little Gloria would

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>stay with Gertrude during the school week and with Gloria

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:28.359
<v Speaker 1>on the weekends. Carew especially wanted Gloria to have her

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>daughter on the weekends so that they could attend Catholic

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Mass together, which seemed to be his largest concern. No

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>one was happy with this outcome, it wasn't an outcome

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that made much sense from a variety of perspectives. For

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 1>those with firsthand knowledge of the case, who had witnessed

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>little Gloria's apparent terror of her mother, it seemed preposterous

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that weekends together would reconcile the pair. For those on

0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the outside, in the press and the public, the decision

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:07.240
<v Speaker 1>seemed illogical. Justice Carew's full decision criticized Gloria Vanderbilt's quote

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:11.840
<v Speaker 1>mode of life. If her mode of life was so terrible,

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 1>many wondered, why was he allowing her custody at all.

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:19.799
<v Speaker 1>The United States Law Review published a cheeky poem which

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>summed up the public feeling quote, rock a bye baby,

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>up on a writ Monday to Friday. Mother's unfit as

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the weekends she rises in virtue Saturday's Sunday's mother won't

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 1>hurt you. A Family Court judge, writing on the decision declared, quote,

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the mere fact that the court believes the parent is

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.799
<v Speaker 1>not pursuing the wisest course in the rearing of the

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 1>child does not justify taking the child from the parent.

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 1>People also criticized the idea of a judge dictating a

0:53:55.640 --> 0:54:02.399
<v Speaker 1>child's religious education. Carew had somehow not expected this criticism.

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the trial, he had struggled with the high profile

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 1>nature of the case. By November, he had begun screaming

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>at reporters. He called press conferences and then abruptly canceled them.

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>He compared himself out loud, this time to King Solomon,

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>leading reporters to dub him the Socialites Solomon. The bad

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:30.239
<v Speaker 1>reaction to his decision seemed to deeply affect Carew. Two

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 1>years later, he checked into a hospital in Connecticut that

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 1>specialized in treating nervous breakdowns. Nathan Berkin was also profoundly

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:43.359
<v Speaker 1>impacted by the trial. Normally tough and unrelenting, he had

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 1>become emotionally involved in this case and was brought to

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>tears by Justice Carew's decision. He felt personally responsible for

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Gloria Vanderbilt's public humiliation. It had been his imprudent questioning

0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that elicited Maria Coyote's scandalous TESTI. He promised to appeal

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the case. His first appeal failed. The Appellate Division of

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the New York State Supreme Court upheld Carew's ruling. Burkin,

0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>undaunted appealed again asking the United States Supreme Court to

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>review the case. He worked day and night on this

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 1>final appeal, but in the spring of nineteen thirty six,

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Several months later,

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:34.240
<v Speaker 1>on June sixth, nineteen thirty six, Nathan Burkin died, aged

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>only fifty six. He had a great heart, said his associate,

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Herman Finkelstein, and I think this case broke it. And

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>what of Little Gloria. After the trial, everyone simply forgot

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:56.760
<v Speaker 1>about Gloria. Her cousin Gerda Henry recalled. Gerda, who grew

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>up at Wheatley Hills with Little Gloria, described their childhood

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:04.760
<v Speaker 1>as a lonely one quote, we were so much alone.

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 1>My grandmother and my parents both would leave for months

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 1>at a time. We never saw anybody but servants. Little

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Gloria and Gertrude's relationship was always a distant one, mainly

0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 1>due to Gertrude's aloofness. Little Gloria would later write, quote,

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I felt that she wanted to be close to me

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 1>as much as I wanted to be close to her.

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 1>She extended herself to me as much as it was

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:37.200
<v Speaker 1>possible within her nature to do. The hard shell that

0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney had cultivated to protect her interior life

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 1>prevented her from ever making a true connection with her niece.

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>As Little Gloria grew older, she chafed against Gertrude's strict

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:55.800
<v Speaker 1>restrictions on her. In nineteen thirty nine, when she was fifteen,

0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>she asked the court to adjust the custody arrangement so

0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that she could her mother whenever she wished. Both Gertrude

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and the court agreed to this arrangement, and then in

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:12.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one, Little Gloria, now seventeen, moved to Los

0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Angeles to live with her mother and her mother's twin, Telma.

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But even then a happy home life eluded her. Her

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 1>mother seemed uncertain of how to act around her, and

0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 1>more interested in her own social life than in connecting

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:34.000
<v Speaker 1>with her daughter. The elder Gloria drank heavily, unexpectedly, disappeared

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 1>on weekend trips, and spent many nights at the apartment

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of her girlfriend, the actress Keeddy Kevin. The situation was

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 1>untenable for Little Gloria, now no longer so little. In

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>her memoir, she wrote, quote I couldn't go on living

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>with my mother, and I wasn't going back to live

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:59.480
<v Speaker 1>with Aunt. Gertrude best get married quick. On December twenty eighth,

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one, two months before her eighteenth birthday, Gloria

0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>married thirty two year old Pat de Chico, a Hollywood agent. Unfortunately,

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Di Chico was physically and emotionally abusive. Gertrude strongly disapproved

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of the marriage, and the relationship between aunt and niece

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>became strained. Four months after the wedding, on April eighteenth,

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty two, Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney died, aged sixty seven.

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.680
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty five, Gloria turned twenty one and got

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 1>control of her trust. She divorced Pat di Chico and

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 1>married conductor Leopold Stekovski, forty two years her senior, the

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 1>next day, shortly after, she cut her mother off financially.

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>She later said that it was Leopold's idea for her

0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to do this, but it was true that the mother

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and daughter were estranged. They fought publicly in the press.

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Gloria and Leopold had two sons before divorcing. In October

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty five. Laura Morgan died in nineteen fifty six.

0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Gloria married the director Sidney Lamette the same year. They divorced.

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty three. Gloria would write of her many marriages, quote,

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:22.200
<v Speaker 1>my search for love has and always will be to

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 1>revive the dream of fulfilling the half forgotten, inevitably frustrated

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:33.919
<v Speaker 1>wishes for perfect harmony and complete mutuality, wishes that originated

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:38.439
<v Speaker 1>in the now buried fantasy of obtaining the perfect mother

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to love me unerringly and unceasingly. The men are substitutes,

0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>let's say, substitutes for my old sweetheart. In nineteen sixty three,

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Gloria finally found a good substitute, a writer named Wyatt Cooper.

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Wyatt came from a tight knit Mississippi family, and Gloria

1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>would later remember quote, when I met his large, loving family,

1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I was overwhelmed to see what it must have been

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:14.760
<v Speaker 1>like to experience a supportive family behind you. Wyatt and

1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Gloria had two sons together, including Anderson, who became a

1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:24.200
<v Speaker 1>famous news anchor. Wyatt tragically died during surgery in nineteen

1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:28.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight. He was, in Gloria's words, quote the most

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>honest person I've ever met, and his sense of values

1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 1>taught me what the loving parenting I never had could

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<v Speaker 1>be like. Two years after Gloria and Wyatt married, the

1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:46.960
<v Speaker 1>elder Gloria died on February thirteenth, nineteen sixty five. The

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mother and daughter's relationship had never been an easy one,

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:54.680
<v Speaker 1>but in recent years it had thawed. In nineteen eighty seven,

1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Gloria wrote of her mother quote, although I still search

1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>for her, and part of me probably always will, it

1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:06.200
<v Speaker 1>is an ache I have learned to live with, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have found she and I a place of peace

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<v Speaker 1>where we rest together, closer perhaps in death than we

1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:21.240
<v Speaker 1>ever were in life. On June seventeenth, twenty nineteen, little

1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Gloria herself died, aged ninety five. She had found great

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 1>success in the field of fashion design and true happiness

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:34.280
<v Speaker 1>in her family and friends, but her childhood haunted her.

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<v Speaker 1>How could it not. Her early life was deeply unstable,

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<v Speaker 1>populated by people who were supposed to care for her,

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<v Speaker 1>but who, for their own reasons, could not. No one

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<v Speaker 1>had ever simply sat down with little Gloria and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what would be best for her. The

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt money, which brought so much luxury to its owners,

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<v Speaker 1>also brought great stree. It prevented family members from talking

1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to each other, from being honest. It inspired greed and possessiveness.

1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:14.120
<v Speaker 1>It hired lawyers. It made what could have been a

1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:19.640
<v Speaker 1>simple problem a horrifically difficult one. Is it any surprise

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<v Speaker 1>that when little Gloria, now grown up, first saw the

1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:28.959
<v Speaker 1>television program Judge Judy, she had a fantasy that this

1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:32.920
<v Speaker 1>woman could have solved the problem for her. Judge Judy

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't subject me to the hostile formality of a trial,

1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Gloria wrote. Instead, I'd be invited to sit up beside

1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:45.040
<v Speaker 1>her on the bench for a cozy chat, so she

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<v Speaker 1>could get a sense of what I was like and

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted. That's the story of the matter of Vanderbilt.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with me after the break to learn the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to the trial's most enduring mystery, why who was Little

1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Gloria so afraid of her mother? In nineteen eighty, the

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<v Speaker 1>journalist and author Barbara Goldsmith published Little Gloria Happy at Last.

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<v Speaker 1>The book, which is an extremely well reported and comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>account of the case, brought renewed interest to the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty two, the book was adapted into a

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<v Speaker 1>television mini series, which was nominated for six Emmy Awards.

1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:34.520
<v Speaker 1>The little Gloria in question was now in her late fifties,

1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and she was not happy about the book or TV show.

1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Her son Anderson Cooper recalled she never read the book

1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:46.600
<v Speaker 1>nor watched the series. But in nineteen eighty five, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>in response to Goldsmith's book, Gloria published her own account

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<v Speaker 1>of the trial as part of a memoir called Once

1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Upon a Time. In this memoir, Gloria finally explained her

1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:04.160
<v Speaker 1>own behavior jury the trial, which had long unseettled observers,

1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Gloria had seemed to experience extreme fear at the idea

1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of living with her mother. This fear was central to

1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Justice Carew's decision to have her live with Gertrude. Goldsmith

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<v Speaker 1>had theorized in her book that, based on the constant

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<v Speaker 1>fears about kidnapping at the time, and exacerbated by her

1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:28.400
<v Speaker 1>grandmother and nanny's obsession with the subject, little Gloria had

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<v Speaker 1>been afraid that her mother would kidnap and kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>In Once upon a Time, Little Gloria provides a different answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Her fear was not of having to live with her mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She said it was of losing her beloved nanny, Nurse Keislich,

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<v Speaker 1>who she called Dodo. Dodo, despite her helicopter nannying loved

1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and cared for Gloria, and the child was terrified of

1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:00.440
<v Speaker 1>losing her. Why did she believe that that her mother

1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:05.880
<v Speaker 1>would fire Dodo because her grandmother, Laura Morgan, had told

1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:10.720
<v Speaker 1>her so. Gloria paints a terrifying portrait of Laura Morgan,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman so obsessed with status that she schemed to

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<v Speaker 1>remove her granddaughter from her daughter's custody in order to

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<v Speaker 1>bring herself closer to the Vanderbilt name and fortune. Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>said that Laura had fed her harsh words to write

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<v Speaker 1>down in letters about her mother, letters that would later

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<v Speaker 1>be used at trial. Laura told Gloria to pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>hate her mother. She told her to play sick. She

1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:43.000
<v Speaker 1>told her to be affectionate towards Gertrude Whitney. If she

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<v Speaker 1>did these things, Laura told her, Gloria would not lose

1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:54.720
<v Speaker 1>her beloved Dodo. Unfortunately, Laura's scheme fell apart. The only

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<v Speaker 1>clear outcome of the trial was the loss of Dodo,

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<v Speaker 1>whose disturbing performance on the stand had convinced both sides

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<v Speaker 1>that she needed to go. She was instructed to leave

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<v Speaker 1>Wheatley Hills and cease contact with the child. Gloria wrote

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<v Speaker 1>of the horrifying moment that she learned Dodo would be leaving, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>from that moment to this nothing has ever been the

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<v Speaker 1>same again. When Gloria finally reunited with Kieslik as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>she vowed to never leave her again. She financially supported

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<v Speaker 1>Kieslick for years, even having her live with her at

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<v Speaker 1>one point. However, even this relationship eventually soured. Kieslick loved Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, but the love was not a healthy one.

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<v Speaker 1>She saw the child as an extension of herself, not

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<v Speaker 1>as an individual. Reflecting on this dynamic, Gloria wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a child, she gave me the love

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<v Speaker 1>of a mother, But when I grew up, it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard for her to do this. Perhaps some mothers can

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<v Speaker 1>love their young only when they are that. The final

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<v Speaker 1>breaking point came during Gloria's marriage to the director Sidney Lamett,

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<v Speaker 1>who was Jewish. Kieslich was anti Semitic. She had, in

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<v Speaker 1>fact made anti Semitic comments to Nathan Burkan during the

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<v Speaker 1>trial and Gloria could not tolerate her prejudices. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time Keeeslick died in nineteen seventy three, Gloria had not

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to her for more than a decade, but not

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<v Speaker 1>being by Dodo's side at her death would be one

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<v Speaker 1>of Gloria's greatest regrets. The Dodo, for all her faults,

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<v Speaker 1>had loved Gloria, and love, as Anderson Cooper notes in

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<v Speaker 1>his account of the trial, is the one thing that,

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<v Speaker 1>despite all of their other privileges, the Vanderbilt family never

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to have enough of. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 1>History on Trial. My main sources for this episode were

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Goldsmith's book Little Gloria, Happy at Last and Gloria

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt's memoirs, including Once Upon a Time and It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>important at the time. For a full bibliography, as well

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