WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Enfield Monster

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to The Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck. Jerry's here sitting in for Dave, and Dave

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to come because he gets spooked easily. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a spooky one, Chuck. A spooky one. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do that as well as you, so I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of left it for you. Oh, how about

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Jr. saying spooky like that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's possible. Cameron, a spooky one.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm going to get you a crown, says Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Champ.

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<v Speaker 2>You ready to dive into this mystery of the Enfield Monster? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you heard of this before? I had not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. We need to thank ManThink about Medium,

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<v Speaker 2>the website, and Dread Central, and all that's interesting for

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<v Speaker 2>their reporting on this I mean, supposedly true thing that

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<v Speaker 2>happened in 1973.

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<v Speaker 1>We should say that there are a lot of skeptics

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<v Speaker 1>out there about this story. But it is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big deal in the cryptic community. And there is a

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<v Speaker 1>cryptic community out there. People who are like, yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>are animals out there that we don't understand. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one of their big examples that they throw to. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to look too deep into it because

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<v Speaker 1>this is Halloween. And it's a fun story, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The skeptics are calling from inside the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was one of those 70s things along the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of like the Amityville horror where there was a

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<v Speaker 1>decade where people were willing to be like, hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>insane supernatural thing happened to me and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the news about it. And they would get

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<v Speaker 1>on the news. And the guy who got on the

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<v Speaker 1>news the most from this whole thing was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Henry McDaniel. He lived in the village of Enfield, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>And he got on the news because he said that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a very strange creature that he not only saw,

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<v Speaker 1>but shot at. And the creature behaved quite strangely and

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<v Speaker 1>looked so strange that he was quite sure it was

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<v Speaker 1>not of this planet.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I guess we can kick it off, though,

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<v Speaker 2>with their neighbor's. The Garretts, because the Garrett boy, young

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Garrett, apparently, this is around 9 o'clock at night,

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<v Speaker 2>was catching lightning bugs. And all of a sudden, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>comes storming back into the house. His parents are watching TV.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's hysterical. He's crying. He's upset. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he saw a monster. Described it as four or five

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall. Tiny little arms with claws. Slimy gray skin.

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<v Speaker 2>And three legs... with claws and big red eyes about

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<v Speaker 2>the size of flashlights and presented physical evidence in the

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<v Speaker 2>form of his tennis shoes that were shredded up that

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<v Speaker 2>he said the monster, you know, kind of stepped on

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<v Speaker 2>his feet, I guess, and ran past him. And his

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<v Speaker 2>parents were like, oh, what?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much. Apparently, Greg wasn't known as much of a

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<v Speaker 1>trickster or a liar or even a fibber, from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. So his parents were just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure what to make of this. What happened, Greg?

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<v Speaker 1>And they yelled at him for like a half hour

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<v Speaker 1>until he cracked. Or they tried to make him crack

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<v Speaker 1>and he never cracked. So as this was happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we should say this, Chuck, the accounts of this

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<v Speaker 1>are so muddy by this time that it's not entirely

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<v Speaker 1>clear the order of events and everything. So we're just

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<v Speaker 1>going to kind of go with the general flow, but

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<v Speaker 1>just take this with a grain of salt because- It's just,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a muddied story, essentially. It's a muddied supernatural story,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think it's one of those deals where

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<v Speaker 2>over the years it's been retold so many times, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably been added to and changed about, like, things like

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<v Speaker 2>this are done. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, totally. And not only retold, retold by people

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<v Speaker 1>too lazy to go look up facts that they just

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<v Speaker 1>assume instead, and then that becomes fact kind of thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At least we're not writing about it. We just read

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<v Speaker 1>about it and we're too lazy to go look up

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<v Speaker 1>the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Because this is just a fun, silly, spooky shorty.

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<v Speaker 2>So the McDaniel kids are out that night as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Mr. McDaniel hears this story. He's also in disbelief, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't believe something like that could happen to

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<v Speaker 2>his kids. And here's some scratching at the door, opens

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<v Speaker 2>the door. sees this monster, evidently slams the door and

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<v Speaker 2>goes and grabs a. 22 pistol and a flashlight, opens

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<v Speaker 2>the door back up and shoots at this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As you do. I just have in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>like him closing his eyes and turning his head and

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<v Speaker 1>just firing wildly out the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's when he got the description that you gave.

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<v Speaker 1>And like he said also that he hit it. He

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<v Speaker 1>knows that he hit it. Cause he said it hissed

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<v Speaker 1>like a wildcat, which is, I believe a quote. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it just bounded away and bounded away, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>like it covered tens of feet with each bounce, which

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<v Speaker 1>with each hop, thanks to that third leg, apparently. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently 75 feet in about three hops.

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<v Speaker 1>That's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh, and it went over the railroad tracks, calls

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<v Speaker 2>the cops, uh, And the Illinois State, it calls like

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<v Speaker 2>the local police and the Illinois State Troopers show up instead.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's a good time for a break.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chuck, where we last left off, McDaniels, Henry McDaniels'

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<v Speaker 1>gun is smoking. The Enfield monster has bounded off out

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<v Speaker 1>of sight. And, of course, the first thing he does

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<v Speaker 1>is call the police. Like his children have just been terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just fired on some unknown monster. God knows that

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<v Speaker 1>he was concerned about Greg Garrett's tennis shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So he called the police. The Illinois State Troopers show

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<v Speaker 1>up to conduct a search. And they search.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite a recap, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. You know I live to do recaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you just retold the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Illinois State Troopers show up and they search

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<v Speaker 1>the area. And they don't find the monster, but they

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<v Speaker 1>do find some suspicious evidence. I found it suspicious, didn't you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. They found scratch marks on the siding

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<v Speaker 2>of the house, fresh scratch marks. They found footprints, three

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<v Speaker 2>footprints with claw marks on them. Two of them were

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<v Speaker 2>about four inches wide, apparently. The third one was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit smaller. And then apparently, you know, McDaniel starts

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<v Speaker 2>telling the story all around town and people start retelling

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<v Speaker 2>the story. I think a kid, some other kid, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a neighbor faked or said he had faked the eyewitness account.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that doesn't really help your case. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>enough for Henry McDaniel to kind of get into the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was in the would you say it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be the Redding Eagle, right? Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not reading though. The reading Eagle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it could be referring to the Eagle

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<v Speaker 1>reading the newspaper. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>At any rate, it wasn't the, um, the sun times

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, but they did run a story

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<v Speaker 1>and like the, the story very quickly started to get

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<v Speaker 1>picked up through other news outlets, including the news, um,

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<v Speaker 1>like TV news in, um, Illinois in the surrounding area. And, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was, it had become a thing, right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but that, that was the, First sighting. About 10 days later,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry McDaniel comes into play again when he wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>to the sound of the neighborhood dogs going crazy. And

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<v Speaker 1>he grabs his gun again and goes down to the

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<v Speaker 1>front door, opens it up as he does. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>the monster again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. But not at the door this time. This

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<v Speaker 2>time it was over on those railroad tracks that it

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<v Speaker 2>had disappeared over on the previous sighting. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't in a hurry. It was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>ambling down the tracks. He has a great quote in

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<v Speaker 2>an interview. If they do find it, they'll find more

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<v Speaker 2>than one, and they won't be from this planet, I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you that. So he thought it was otherworldly, extraterrestrial, perhaps.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent a lot of time with Henry McDaniel to

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<v Speaker 1>prep for this short stuff, and he sounds exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, good. All right, good.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, a bunch of people started to show up,

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<v Speaker 1>monster hunters, which are basically... Bush beer drunk hunters with

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<v Speaker 1>rifles and shotguns. Yeah. They showed up, obviously. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>the news showed up. There were cryptid investigators, people who

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<v Speaker 1>are like, I'm not, I'm not a fool, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also believe that there's animals out there that we can't explain.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, I guess quasi scientific investigators showed up as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole, the upshot is the whole town, the small town,

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<v Speaker 1>just became like a hotbed of activity so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that the sheriff was like, hey, McDaniel, if you keep

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<v Speaker 1>telling this story, I'm going to arrest you for basically

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing the peace. And I mean, I believe that's unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 1>So he never made good on that threat. But the

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<v Speaker 1>point is the town was in an uproar over all this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they arrested some of these hunters because they're just

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<v Speaker 2>out there drinking beer and firing into the night. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that either. Not even in 1973.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a guy whose name is too great to

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<v Speaker 2>be disbelieved named Rick Rainbow. He's the news director for

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<v Speaker 2>WWKI in Kokomo, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>The place where you get there fast and then you

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<v Speaker 1>take it slow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And he was another eyewitness, supposedly. He and

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<v Speaker 2>three other guys saw this monster there. For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's a few things that are kind of sketchy

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<v Speaker 1>about this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was, I think, so McDaniel's, or no, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Rainbow's sighting was the last sighting of the Enfield monster,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>But some other people heard it over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>the next few days, some weird cries coming from the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it just stopped. As quickly as the Enfield

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<v Speaker 1>monster showed up, It just went away. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>those crypto cryptid investigators opened a case study in 1978

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<v Speaker 1>where they really investigated this and they found. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that the guy who is the lead investigator was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm baffled by this. But yeah, it's also essentially like

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<v Speaker 1>most of the story is basically the the locals wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to get in on it and embellishing it. sightings or

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<v Speaker 1>just completely making some stuff up. But he seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>really be intrigued by Henry McDaniel's accounts in particular, at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And some of that, you know, alleged actual evidence

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<v Speaker 2>like the footprints and the scratched up shoes and the

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<v Speaker 2>scratched up sighting. A lot of people were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big hoax. They were trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just dust up some news about their town. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>people would come by and give them some tourist money. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, no one really knows what happened. I think, um,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting that a guy in Ohio later on said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what? I have a pet kangaroo named Macy

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<v Speaker 2>who kind of fits that description and, uh, had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>away and was missing. So, uh, this thing bounding around the,

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<v Speaker 2>the hopping, the three, I suppose the tail, if it

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<v Speaker 2>had a funky tail could have been a third leg. Uh-huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe it was just this guy, Macy

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<v Speaker 2>the Kangaroo.

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<v Speaker 1>It being Macy the Kangaroo is almost as astounding as

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<v Speaker 1>it being like a cryptid that has never been discovered before,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a guy just having a random kangaroo that happened

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<v Speaker 2>to escape?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's what people were shooting at, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's it for short stuff. This spooky short stuff, huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, except it's actually not that spooky. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>were more laughing at it. But hey, if you're from

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<v Speaker 2>the surrounding area, I am curious if that legend still

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<v Speaker 2>survives around the campfire. So let us know.

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<v Speaker 1>That means short stuff's out, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. Stuff You Should Know is a production

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