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Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 6: at Jiles Stadium, and boy, that was some game that

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Speaker 6: we saw. They almost pulled it out, but we saw

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Speaker 6: the good and the bad of Drake May, and to

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Speaker 6: me great I am all for the mistakes, believe it

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Speaker 6: or not. This is why I made the case early

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Speaker 6: on that he should start from day one, because let's

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Speaker 6: make his mistakes, let's get him out of the way,

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Speaker 6: let's learn. I am not upset with it, although you know,

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Speaker 6: I would have liked to win the game. But I'm

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Speaker 6: all for it. I'm all for it. So I consider

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Speaker 6: Sunday's another step in the progress of Drake May becoming

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Speaker 6: an NFL quarterback. And I'm happy with what I saw.

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Speaker 4: So that's it, you right, you can see it on

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Speaker 4: my face. I hate that. I hate that that I

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Speaker 7: Argue, Yeah, I can't argue either. I mean, looky, the

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Speaker 7: one thing that I come back to is that you

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Speaker 7: this is not a game manager conservative quarterback. This is

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Speaker 7: a play making player at the position. And with that,

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Speaker 7: just like it did for Josh Allen and just like

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Speaker 7: bad plays come with.

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Speaker 6: Yep, the descript play is never over until it's over.

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Speaker 7: Right, And that's the positive. I mean the Obviously, the

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Speaker 7: last throw to Remandra Stevenson is sort of the microcosm

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Speaker 7: of that entire thing. But there's other plays within the game.

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Speaker 7: There's the ninety five rushing yards in the game, Like,

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Speaker 7: those are all the value ads that he brings to

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Speaker 4: But he also does lead the.

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Speaker 7: League and turnover worthy play rate, and he takes a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and better to work it out in a game

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more with Freddy. Mike and I talked

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm like, if this game took place in

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Speaker 4: But it's his fourth career, so yeah, I'm not like

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Speaker 4: But I think that Fred's point about this is why

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be mistakes that just happened. But you know,

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Speaker 4: all the plays that you see, and just think about

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Speaker 4: the guy made his fourth career start. It's a very

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Speaker 5: I know, I just I do feel bad that it

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Speaker 5: I like it, I just I mean, I'm frustrated.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about the same stuff every week, and I

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Speaker 5: really exciting. And it's certainly different than the last few

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Speaker 5: the other team. But I just I'm sick of talking

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Speaker 5: it's just Drake. It seems like he's willing the team

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Speaker 5: I don't see the other players leaving it on the

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Speaker 5: just as you I mean, the afterglow of watching him

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Speaker 4: Like, ah god, we were so close.

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Speaker 6: And keep that, keep that feeling, and I hope that

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Speaker 6: It's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt

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Speaker 6: and Nabooth. That was our preamble. But just to play

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Speaker 6: you well, at least you think that you have the guy,

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Speaker 6: all the more incentive to do what's right around him. Sure, right,

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Speaker 6: all the more incentive to Jesus, put put extra hours

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Speaker 5: No, And I think he can. He can, you know,

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Speaker 5: And they might not be on the roster right now,

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Speaker 5: As all right, you do put some key pieces in

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Speaker 5: you've said at a hundred times that once you get the quarterback,

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Speaker 5: it can happen pretty quick. I think I'm a little bit,

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Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question right now, are you

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Speaker 7: Well, you feel great and you feel bad at the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Freddie, I liked your your question about what what

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Speaker 6: Of your shows yesterday and I think it was The

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Speaker 4: Andrews comes back. It's a year like they need probably

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Speaker 4: But but you're but you're you're calling the tackle that

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Speaker 6: I'm talking better than average.

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Speaker 6: But don't you think if they focus on that, they

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Speaker 4: But the other guys are by no means like I

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would connect it. I would connect it.

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Speaker 4: You're looking for an elite offensive line average tackle. I

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Speaker 4: don't think above average tackles my mouth. You said above

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Speaker 4: I hope they can. I think that's priority number one.

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Speaker 4: I also don't think just an above average left tackle

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Speaker 6: Oh and I said, you find you know a couple

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Speaker 4: Because now I don't like you're right, you don't need

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Speaker 6: And I think next year, if Drake Taste takes the

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Speaker 4: He's already made the line well he's cut down on

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Speaker 7: Thirty eight percent for the game, but that seems really

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Speaker 7: And anything over thirty is is panic mode.

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Speaker 6: But you ask who I feel good about on off?

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Speaker 4: So maybe next year, but I'm talking about like when

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Speaker 5: You brought up Robinson and Wallace, and that to me.

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Speaker 5: Jalen, two mid round guys that this new regime took

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Speaker 4: I really liked your larger point, like just kind of

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Speaker 4: right and he's gonna we're gonna have to see these

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Speaker 4: Evan called it the highest turnover worthy rate in the

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Speaker 4: He's putting a lot on his shoulders.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's you know, look that the glass

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Speaker 6: And to me, the only way to get better is

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's ten pounds heavier, ten pounds break.

435
00:20:53,114 --> 00:20:54,634
Speaker 4: But do you but do you look at those two

436
00:20:54,634 --> 00:20:56,153
Speaker 4: guys and think that they're the same size?

437
00:20:56,273 --> 00:20:57,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.

438
00:20:57,434 --> 00:20:58,873
Speaker 7: I mean, Drake's six four and a half time.

439
00:20:58,914 --> 00:21:01,513
Speaker 6: I think, by the way, I don't trust any of

440
00:21:01,553 --> 00:21:03,113
Speaker 6: those numbers that they have in the media.

441
00:21:03,154 --> 00:21:03,354
Speaker 8: Guy.

442
00:21:03,674 --> 00:21:05,593
Speaker 4: I just not looking at the media guy. I think Josh,

443
00:21:05,714 --> 00:21:08,793
Speaker 4: I think Drake may looks like a kid combat go

444
00:21:08,914 --> 00:21:09,634
Speaker 4: for Josh Allen.

445
00:21:09,714 --> 00:21:11,593
Speaker 7: Yeah, and now he's two hundred and forty pounds according

446
00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:12,794
Speaker 7: to your media guide, So.

447
00:21:12,874 --> 00:21:15,674
Speaker 4: I don't yeah, yeah, I mean like he's so that's

448
00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:16,634
Speaker 4: fifteen pounds.

449
00:21:16,994 --> 00:21:19,354
Speaker 7: No, Jake is two hundred and twenty five pounds. Josh

450
00:21:19,394 --> 00:21:22,594
Speaker 7: Allen's is two thirty seven, So we can split the difference.

451
00:21:23,194 --> 00:21:25,513
Speaker 4: But to me, that's one looks like a little brother

452
00:21:25,553 --> 00:21:26,434
Speaker 4: and the other one looks.

453
00:21:26,234 --> 00:21:28,434
Speaker 7: Like he's twenty two years old exactly.

454
00:21:28,634 --> 00:21:30,633
Speaker 4: So that's that's my point. So is he going to

455
00:21:30,674 --> 00:21:33,113
Speaker 4: be able to survive doing that? That's that's my worry.

456
00:21:33,313 --> 00:21:37,273
Speaker 7: Well, he's just like Josh Allen, like he will his

457
00:21:37,353 --> 00:21:39,954
Speaker 7: body will mature and he's going to get thicker like

458
00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:43,154
Speaker 7: Josh Allen didn't come into the league, is my point.

459
00:21:42,874 --> 00:21:45,194
Speaker 7: At at the two thirty five to forty that he

460
00:21:45,313 --> 00:21:46,154
Speaker 7: is now, we'll see.

461
00:21:46,353 --> 00:21:48,954
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I don't look at Drake May

462
00:21:48,954 --> 00:21:51,273
Speaker 4: and see like, oh wow, wait only fills out.

463
00:21:51,434 --> 00:21:52,754
Speaker 6: I don't look at I don't look at him that

464
00:21:52,954 --> 00:21:54,914
Speaker 6: I'd have to look at pictures of Josh Allen when

465
00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:56,513
Speaker 6: he came in. I don't remember.

466
00:21:56,954 --> 00:21:59,073
Speaker 7: Josh Allen's bigger, There's no doubt about it. But I

467
00:21:59,474 --> 00:22:01,273
Speaker 7: just think that, you know, you're looking at a twenty

468
00:22:01,273 --> 00:22:03,994
Speaker 7: two year old kid who is in his first year

469
00:22:04,033 --> 00:22:06,714
Speaker 7: in an NFL strength and conditioning program. You know, let's

470
00:22:06,714 --> 00:22:08,673
Speaker 7: give it a few years and see if he bulks up.

471
00:22:08,714 --> 00:22:10,674
Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying, you know.

472
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:14,553
Speaker 4: But decent, like wait up, please, Like I know I

473
00:22:14,553 --> 00:22:18,474
Speaker 4: should never do this, but like I'm just looking down

474
00:22:18,674 --> 00:22:22,433
Speaker 4: down the road. I'm seeing what I see now, and

475
00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:28,633
Speaker 4: I'm as excited as everybody else. What happens if Okay,

476
00:22:28,634 --> 00:22:32,114
Speaker 4: so he starts running around, you know, let's just break

477
00:22:32,114 --> 00:22:35,713
Speaker 4: down the four games. Uh. He went and took himself

478
00:22:35,714 --> 00:22:38,434
Speaker 4: in for an MRI on his knee after one of

479
00:22:38,474 --> 00:22:41,474
Speaker 4: the games. He was taken out of a game with

480
00:22:41,513 --> 00:22:42,793
Speaker 4: a concussion after another one.

481
00:22:42,714 --> 00:22:44,114
Speaker 6: Of the games.

482
00:22:44,234 --> 00:22:46,874
Speaker 4: So those are the kinds of things I'm looking at

483
00:22:47,114 --> 00:22:49,594
Speaker 4: long term. Ninety five yards rushing.

484
00:22:49,313 --> 00:22:51,393
Speaker 6: Is great and those but those things build up.

485
00:22:51,394 --> 00:22:53,674
Speaker 4: But those things they wear on you. I don't think

486
00:22:53,833 --> 00:22:57,313
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert runs around like that anymore, you know, with

487
00:22:57,353 --> 00:23:01,154
Speaker 4: a high ankle spring, and even this is very selective

488
00:23:01,154 --> 00:23:02,914
Speaker 4: with it, but he always has been kind of selected.

489
00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:06,114
Speaker 4: I would just say Josh Allen is the psycho. He

490
00:23:06,194 --> 00:23:09,313
Speaker 4: just continues to run over linebackers like a maniac.

491
00:23:09,313 --> 00:23:11,474
Speaker 7: Just just because I have to, you know, pro Drake

492
00:23:11,513 --> 00:23:13,994
Speaker 7: over here. I would say. The one thing that I

493
00:23:14,033 --> 00:23:17,873
Speaker 7: would counter with that is I felt like watching it

494
00:23:17,914 --> 00:23:21,473
Speaker 7: on film that his scrambles because there's nobody opened down

495
00:23:21,513 --> 00:23:23,593
Speaker 7: the field for him to throw to. So it's like,

496
00:23:23,793 --> 00:23:26,114
Speaker 7: if you can get some receivers in here that can

497
00:23:26,154 --> 00:23:29,033
Speaker 7: actually get open, right, and maybe design some plays to

498
00:23:29,073 --> 00:23:32,633
Speaker 7: get some guys open, Like does eight scrambles happen every

499
00:23:32,674 --> 00:23:33,234
Speaker 7: single week?

500
00:23:33,434 --> 00:23:34,793
Speaker 4: Movie? That's got to be your hole.

501
00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,754
Speaker 6: That's the one thing that I do hear, you know,

502
00:23:37,874 --> 00:23:40,633
Speaker 6: the detractors who wanted him to wait a little longer

503
00:23:40,634 --> 00:23:44,234
Speaker 6: about developing those bad habits. You hope that he doesn't

504
00:23:44,234 --> 00:23:47,393
Speaker 6: get into the habit of giving up plays when he

505
00:23:47,474 --> 00:23:50,994
Speaker 6: gets better receivers, you know, uh, and he trusts in

506
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:53,714
Speaker 6: in their routes and he trusts his line a little better.

507
00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:57,194
Speaker 6: That's what people were talking about about developing bad habits

508
00:23:57,194 --> 00:23:59,313
Speaker 6: with a bad team around him. You hope that that

509
00:23:59,394 --> 00:23:59,914
Speaker 6: doesn't happen.

510
00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:02,353
Speaker 7: The way I see it is like he looks around,

511
00:24:02,474 --> 00:24:04,514
Speaker 7: nobody's open. He's like, if it, I'll do it myself

512
00:24:04,833 --> 00:24:05,553
Speaker 7: because like what else?

513
00:24:05,674 --> 00:24:11,114
Speaker 6: Also, because the defenses aren't you know, in Drake may mode.

514
00:24:11,194 --> 00:24:13,714
Speaker 6: Yet he sees all this green grass in front of him,

515
00:24:13,793 --> 00:24:14,313
Speaker 6: So why not.

516
00:24:14,634 --> 00:24:17,513
Speaker 4: I do think Tennessee made an adjustment to that. Oh yeah,

517
00:24:17,593 --> 00:24:19,754
Speaker 4: you know in the middle of now it didn't eliminate it.

518
00:24:20,634 --> 00:24:22,194
Speaker 4: I think he had to scramble in overtime.

519
00:24:22,313 --> 00:24:24,273
Speaker 7: Yeah, for a first that's blocked by Remandre.

520
00:24:24,914 --> 00:24:27,714
Speaker 4: But I thought that they started to send some pressure

521
00:24:27,914 --> 00:24:30,513
Speaker 4: in some of the gaps that he was escaping from, yep,

522
00:24:30,593 --> 00:24:34,113
Speaker 4: and that kind of limited his scrambles like in the

523
00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:34,634
Speaker 4: second half.

524
00:24:34,754 --> 00:24:37,553
Speaker 6: I would say, all right, so so Drake May is

525
00:24:37,553 --> 00:24:40,393
Speaker 6: obviously something we're excited about, but you know, we do

526
00:24:40,474 --> 00:24:42,553
Speaker 6: have to talk about, you know, the rest of the team.

527
00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:43,954
Speaker 4: What else are you excited about?

528
00:24:44,114 --> 00:24:47,994
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm not necessarily what Marcus, what stood out

529
00:24:48,114 --> 00:24:51,594
Speaker 6: to you with the game, good or bad? Besides Drake May.

530
00:24:52,994 --> 00:24:55,553
Speaker 7: I truly feel they lost this game because of coaching.

531
00:24:56,593 --> 00:24:59,834
Speaker 7: I really feel like that's why they lost, like they

532
00:25:00,114 --> 00:25:02,754
Speaker 7: It just felt to me like they made three critical

533
00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:07,354
Speaker 7: coaching mistakes in this game, starting Laden Robinson. I can't

534
00:25:07,394 --> 00:25:08,393
Speaker 7: explain that one.

535
00:25:08,793 --> 00:25:13,033
Speaker 6: So so they obviously they asked about that to draw

536
00:25:13,114 --> 00:25:17,393
Speaker 6: it afterwards, and to me, I got the impression from

537
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:23,714
Speaker 6: his answer that the front of Tennessee made them decide

538
00:25:23,754 --> 00:25:25,913
Speaker 6: that they had to switch it up because of the

539
00:25:25,954 --> 00:25:29,714
Speaker 6: personnel of Tennessee. Yeah, but because of performance on the Patriots.

540
00:25:29,793 --> 00:25:32,313
Speaker 7: But but Tennessee's personnel was coming into the game was

541
00:25:32,313 --> 00:25:32,914
Speaker 7: the same thing.

542
00:25:34,833 --> 00:25:36,394
Speaker 4: I don't understand what your point is.

543
00:25:36,714 --> 00:25:38,994
Speaker 6: Do we have the transcript from Jerid know any game?

544
00:25:39,434 --> 00:25:43,434
Speaker 4: Why why they made the change from Robinson? Then moved toide.

545
00:25:42,754 --> 00:25:47,234
Speaker 6: Why they changed Simmons week before from the week before? Yeah, yeah,

546
00:25:47,593 --> 00:25:51,073
Speaker 6: so you thought it was a when listening to Mayo,

547
00:25:51,914 --> 00:25:54,874
Speaker 6: his response made me think that they did it because

548
00:25:54,994 --> 00:25:56,634
Speaker 6: of the personnel.

549
00:25:56,833 --> 00:25:58,713
Speaker 4: So you think that they just made a mistake.

550
00:25:58,754 --> 00:26:01,914
Speaker 6: They made a mistake. Okay, maybe maybe it had been worse.

551
00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:02,473
Speaker 6: I don't know.

552
00:26:02,914 --> 00:26:06,073
Speaker 7: Yeah, my read on it was that they were trying

553
00:26:06,114 --> 00:26:08,194
Speaker 7: to get the run game going a little bit and

554
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:10,833
Speaker 7: they feel better about Laden Robinson and Mike on when

555
00:26:10,874 --> 00:26:13,393
Speaker 7: Who as your right side, and they ran right like

556
00:26:13,434 --> 00:26:16,473
Speaker 7: the entire game, uh than they did on when Who

557
00:26:16,553 --> 00:26:19,154
Speaker 7: and Trey Jacobs on the right side in the run game.

558
00:26:19,754 --> 00:26:22,834
Speaker 7: But what they apparently slept on was that Jeffrey Simmons

559
00:26:22,874 --> 00:26:25,434
Speaker 7: was just gonna line up over Laden Robinson and take

560
00:26:25,474 --> 00:26:27,954
Speaker 7: them out back. And that's exactly what happened. For the

561
00:26:28,114 --> 00:26:31,234
Speaker 7: entire first four drives of this game. They had a

562
00:26:31,273 --> 00:26:33,873
Speaker 7: pressure rate of forty five percent with Leyden Robinson on

563
00:26:33,914 --> 00:26:35,833
Speaker 7: the field. When they went back to the line that

564
00:26:35,874 --> 00:26:38,434
Speaker 7: they played last week, it was twenty nine percent, so

565
00:26:38,513 --> 00:26:41,714
Speaker 7: they they clearly made a big error there. The end

566
00:26:41,793 --> 00:26:45,513
Speaker 7: of the first half was just ridiculous. Like I don't

567
00:26:45,513 --> 00:26:47,394
Speaker 7: want to go on a whole rant about it right now,

568
00:26:47,634 --> 00:26:50,193
Speaker 7: but that whole handling of second and third down at

569
00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:53,714
Speaker 7: the end of the first half was horrible. Why well

570
00:26:53,833 --> 00:26:56,194
Speaker 7: you run the ball on second and one, Like, why

571
00:26:56,234 --> 00:26:57,234
Speaker 7: are you running the ball there?

572
00:26:57,273 --> 00:27:00,593
Speaker 6: First of all, well, that's that's one of my pet peeves.

573
00:27:00,353 --> 00:27:04,393
Speaker 7: Like your yards in field position and the clock or

574
00:27:04,434 --> 00:27:06,874
Speaker 7: the enemy there, not the sticks, Like if you throw

575
00:27:06,914 --> 00:27:09,353
Speaker 7: the ball on second and third down, you assume that

576
00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:11,873
Speaker 7: you're going to pick up the first down by throwing

577
00:27:11,874 --> 00:27:14,273
Speaker 7: the football. And they run the ball on third and

578
00:27:14,394 --> 00:27:17,593
Speaker 7: second and third and one trying to prioritize the yard

579
00:27:18,033 --> 00:27:20,154
Speaker 7: instead of prioritizing going down the field.

580
00:27:20,674 --> 00:27:23,074
Speaker 4: Criticism the second and one run didn't make any sense.

581
00:27:23,234 --> 00:27:25,234
Speaker 7: And look, you can look at the second and one run.

582
00:27:25,273 --> 00:27:27,273
Speaker 7: Didn't say it was a decent front to run into you,

583
00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:30,234
Speaker 7: and they probably shouldn't execute the box. But that's not

584
00:27:30,313 --> 00:27:32,474
Speaker 7: the point. The point is the situation, Like if.

585
00:27:32,353 --> 00:27:34,873
Speaker 4: They got eight yards on that play, I wouldn't be happy.

586
00:27:35,194 --> 00:27:36,674
Speaker 4: I think it was a wasted opportunity.

587
00:27:36,754 --> 00:27:38,994
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he went back to back throws to Kendrick

588
00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:42,474
Speaker 7: Bourne for twenty four yards fourteen and eight right, Yeah,

589
00:27:43,874 --> 00:27:46,354
Speaker 7: to get to get that drive started. And they were

590
00:27:46,394 --> 00:27:49,153
Speaker 7: moving in the right direction. And then they go into

591
00:27:49,194 --> 00:27:51,473
Speaker 7: the they put them in the garage again and they

592
00:27:51,553 --> 00:27:53,194
Speaker 7: run the ball two times in a row. Now they're

593
00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:56,474
Speaker 7: punting back to Tennessee, who luckily messed it up just

594
00:27:56,513 --> 00:27:57,594
Speaker 7: as bad as the Patriots.

595
00:27:57,674 --> 00:27:59,354
Speaker 4: I mean, they got a holding call. Like I mean,

596
00:27:59,353 --> 00:28:01,634
Speaker 4: that's basically what was the whole game is Tennessee moved

597
00:28:01,634 --> 00:28:04,633
Speaker 4: it anyway they wanted, and then they got successful plays

598
00:28:04,634 --> 00:28:06,914
Speaker 4: wiped off the bullet by holding calls. The Patriots would

599
00:28:06,914 --> 00:28:09,513
Speaker 4: get the ball, you know, start to do some good things,

600
00:28:09,593 --> 00:28:11,674
Speaker 4: you know, tomorrow Douglas makes a nice one here to catch,

601
00:28:11,754 --> 00:28:14,594
Speaker 4: they get a holding call. Or Drake May would scramble

602
00:28:14,634 --> 00:28:16,513
Speaker 4: for twenty yards, they get a holding call. That was

603
00:28:16,994 --> 00:28:19,553
Speaker 4: just two bad teams to make a comedy.

604
00:28:19,593 --> 00:28:20,714
Speaker 6: It was bad football.

605
00:28:20,914 --> 00:28:22,954
Speaker 7: Yeah. And then my last two third one, the last

606
00:28:22,994 --> 00:28:25,154
Speaker 7: one is the wind in overtime.

607
00:28:25,793 --> 00:28:26,474
Speaker 4: This is this.

608
00:28:27,714 --> 00:28:29,154
Speaker 6: Happen, he said, the wind change.

609
00:28:29,234 --> 00:28:31,593
Speaker 7: It didn't even if the did wind did change. You

610
00:28:31,674 --> 00:28:34,513
Speaker 7: need to be on that like, that's your responsibility.

611
00:28:34,634 --> 00:28:37,954
Speaker 4: But okay, can I can. I'm gonna go all three

612
00:28:37,954 --> 00:28:39,633
Speaker 4: of these. You know this is what I mean.

613
00:28:39,994 --> 00:28:42,393
Speaker 7: Just let me just finish real quick and then you

614
00:28:42,474 --> 00:28:45,954
Speaker 7: have at it. So the most frustrating part about the

615
00:28:45,994 --> 00:28:48,394
Speaker 7: wind is the damn play worked.

616
00:28:48,834 --> 00:28:50,594
Speaker 4: They had Kishan Boody.

617
00:28:50,714 --> 00:28:54,274
Speaker 7: On the deep post to win the game, and he

618
00:28:54,314 --> 00:28:57,074
Speaker 7: threw the ball into the wind and it got held

619
00:28:57,114 --> 00:28:59,474
Speaker 7: up in the wind and the MANI hooker picked it

620
00:28:59,514 --> 00:29:01,754
Speaker 7: off and he said after the game, I was throwing

621
00:29:01,794 --> 00:29:03,713
Speaker 7: into the wind and I needed to put more on

622
00:29:03,794 --> 00:29:05,714
Speaker 7: it and it was on me. So if they have

623
00:29:05,754 --> 00:29:08,594
Speaker 7: the wind at his back, we're talking about a walk

624
00:29:08,594 --> 00:29:11,994
Speaker 7: off sixty yard touchdown to Kaishan Boody right now, and

625
00:29:12,114 --> 00:29:17,274
Speaker 7: instead they didn't know which had But the fact that

626
00:29:17,834 --> 00:29:20,474
Speaker 7: his point, you lose the toss, you go, you take

627
00:29:20,514 --> 00:29:21,234
Speaker 7: to take the wind.

628
00:29:22,354 --> 00:29:26,554
Speaker 4: So the first thing, Yeah, I'm going to try to

629
00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:28,274
Speaker 4: play a little devil's advocate on all of them. I

630
00:29:28,514 --> 00:29:31,314
Speaker 4: think Evan makes some really good points, but I'm going

631
00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:34,994
Speaker 4: to try to play devil's advocate. If you want to

632
00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:37,754
Speaker 4: talk just short term, we want to do everything quote

633
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:41,394
Speaker 4: unquote in our power to win every single game. Then

634
00:29:41,594 --> 00:29:44,234
Speaker 4: it's hard to argue who at guard is better than

635
00:29:44,794 --> 00:29:48,114
Speaker 4: when to attackle By the way everybody's focusing on lighton Robinson,

636
00:29:48,234 --> 00:29:50,754
Speaker 4: No one's talking about another subpower performance by your nineteen

637
00:29:50,754 --> 00:29:56,034
Speaker 4: million dollar alignment. He didn't play well again, but it's

638
00:29:56,074 --> 00:29:58,834
Speaker 4: hard to argue that a who at guard Robinson on

639
00:29:58,874 --> 00:30:03,633
Speaker 4: the bench is better. I understand their thought process, like,

640
00:30:04,034 --> 00:30:06,434
Speaker 4: this is a kid that we drafted, we feel good

641
00:30:06,434 --> 00:30:09,633
Speaker 4: about in some spots. We want to see what he

642
00:30:09,674 --> 00:30:13,474
Speaker 4: can do. So I kind of understand, No, let's go

643
00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,674
Speaker 4: with him and see if he can really be one

644
00:30:15,674 --> 00:30:19,474
Speaker 4: of my linemen moving forward because we're probably not in playoff.

645
00:30:19,554 --> 00:30:23,634
Speaker 4: Let the kids play, right, Yeah, Okay, again, that's Devil's advocate,

646
00:30:23,754 --> 00:30:25,393
Speaker 4: not necessarily attacking.

647
00:30:25,074 --> 00:30:27,754
Speaker 7: You exactly how I felt pregame about it. But what

648
00:30:27,914 --> 00:30:31,074
Speaker 7: bothered me about the decision was his explanation post game,

649
00:30:31,234 --> 00:30:34,274
Speaker 7: where it was like, to Vandre's threat and Jeffrey Simmons

650
00:30:34,354 --> 00:30:36,754
Speaker 7: were always going to be there, right, so like, if

651
00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:38,913
Speaker 7: you're if your problem, he said that they moved on

652
00:30:38,954 --> 00:30:42,474
Speaker 7: when you back inside to match him up against Jeffrey Simmons, right,

653
00:30:42,554 --> 00:30:44,914
Speaker 7: And it's like, but you knew that was the matchup coming.

654
00:30:44,674 --> 00:30:47,314
Speaker 4: Into That's why I didn't understand, like, yeah, that's just

655
00:30:47,594 --> 00:30:50,794
Speaker 4: a horrible evaluation. Yeah, if you did, you you didn't

656
00:30:50,834 --> 00:30:53,634
Speaker 4: realize that jeff Jeffrey Simmons is arguably the best player

657
00:30:53,674 --> 00:30:54,234
Speaker 4: on the Titans.

658
00:30:54,314 --> 00:30:54,594
Speaker 3: Yeah.

659
00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:59,194
Speaker 4: Period. So that's that's the first thing, and I'm just

660
00:30:59,554 --> 00:31:03,154
Speaker 4: trying to create the other side. The end of the half,

661
00:31:03,274 --> 00:31:07,713
Speaker 4: Mike and I again were apoplectic, like boom, boom. Not

662
00:31:07,794 --> 00:31:10,514
Speaker 4: only you get the fourteen yards the nine yards to Bourne,

663
00:31:10,754 --> 00:31:12,913
Speaker 4: didn't you kind of look at Born and see like,

664
00:31:12,994 --> 00:31:16,034
Speaker 4: oh wow, that's twenty twenty one. Kendrick Bourn right there.

665
00:31:16,314 --> 00:31:18,954
Speaker 4: He had a little shimmy to him. He was feeling

666
00:31:18,994 --> 00:31:20,554
Speaker 4: it a little bit. I thought he was getting into

667
00:31:20,594 --> 00:31:23,034
Speaker 4: a rhythm kind of what we've been talking about Mike

668
00:31:23,074 --> 00:31:26,594
Speaker 4: and pregame shows, like maybe they can established that they

669
00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:29,234
Speaker 4: need that one guy. Hunter Henry's the only guy that's

670
00:31:29,274 --> 00:31:32,953
Speaker 4: consistent in the passing game. Maybe this is like Kendrick

671
00:31:32,994 --> 00:31:35,914
Speaker 4: Boyd's coming out Party's he's going to be a month

672
00:31:35,994 --> 00:31:39,714
Speaker 4: removed now from coming back off the twenty acl. I

673
00:31:39,714 --> 00:31:42,274
Speaker 4: thought he had a little something going second and one

674
00:31:42,674 --> 00:31:46,594
Speaker 4: take a shot, you know, run a deep crosser, run something,

675
00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:49,274
Speaker 4: you know, run some kind of over route. That's the

676
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,873
Speaker 4: whole place. See if you can get a chunk, knowing

677
00:31:51,914 --> 00:31:54,994
Speaker 4: that if it doesn't work, that's okay, it's third and one.

678
00:31:55,034 --> 00:31:57,994
Speaker 4: I'll just run it and get the first down. They

679
00:31:58,074 --> 00:32:00,633
Speaker 4: run on second in one and then take their time,

680
00:32:02,234 --> 00:32:04,514
Speaker 4: basically telling everybody, well, they're going to run on third

681
00:32:04,514 --> 00:32:09,434
Speaker 4: and one because otherwise they would be rushing. Yeah. Right.

682
00:32:09,834 --> 00:32:12,234
Speaker 4: They have no interest in scoring now, they only have

683
00:32:12,314 --> 00:32:15,113
Speaker 4: interest in getting getting out of the half. So the

684
00:32:15,154 --> 00:32:19,234
Speaker 4: third and one, I guess you kind of the way

685
00:32:19,234 --> 00:32:20,954
Speaker 4: you played it, you kind of locked yourself in. You

686
00:32:20,994 --> 00:32:23,714
Speaker 4: had to run second in one. I just don't understand.

687
00:32:23,794 --> 00:32:27,114
Speaker 4: I wish I had something I could I could combat

688
00:32:27,314 --> 00:32:30,794
Speaker 4: combat Evans criticism on. But Mike and I live were

689
00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:32,594
Speaker 4: going crazy in the bullpen.

690
00:32:32,634 --> 00:32:34,474
Speaker 5: At the very least on the second one you throw it,

691
00:32:34,714 --> 00:32:36,354
Speaker 5: he can probably just run and pick it up if

692
00:32:36,354 --> 00:32:37,633
Speaker 5: nobody's open, Like right.

693
00:32:37,594 --> 00:32:42,794
Speaker 4: Just like Evans explanation is like dead on perfect. Who

694
00:32:42,834 --> 00:32:45,673
Speaker 4: cares about the first down? Mm hmm, Like why are

695
00:32:45,674 --> 00:32:49,074
Speaker 4: we worried about the yard at that point? You gotta,

696
00:32:49,114 --> 00:32:50,913
Speaker 4: you gotta, you're trying to score, You're trying to get

697
00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:53,514
Speaker 4: the double score. Here, we're gonna put the pedal to

698
00:32:53,594 --> 00:32:55,834
Speaker 4: the metal and we're gonna go down the field and

699
00:32:55,834 --> 00:32:57,274
Speaker 4: then we're gonna come out in the second half and

700
00:32:57,314 --> 00:33:00,153
Speaker 4: get the ball again. Should have been going after it.

701
00:33:00,274 --> 00:33:03,634
Speaker 7: He's done it before, like they've they've gone on two

702
00:33:03,634 --> 00:33:06,514
Speaker 7: minute drills before the half. When he throws the forty

703
00:33:06,594 --> 00:33:09,113
Speaker 7: yard bomb to Kishon Booty against the Texans right and

704
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:11,594
Speaker 7: he's shown that he can lead a two minute drill before.

705
00:33:11,914 --> 00:33:13,754
Speaker 7: And then they took the ball out of his hands

706
00:33:14,034 --> 00:33:16,434
Speaker 7: and and then they end up even punting it back

707
00:33:16,874 --> 00:33:18,954
Speaker 7: to Tennessee after all of.

708
00:33:18,914 --> 00:33:21,474
Speaker 4: That, just to pick up the yard point one of

709
00:33:21,514 --> 00:33:24,394
Speaker 4: his coaching criticism, I try to give you the other side.

710
00:33:25,234 --> 00:33:28,433
Speaker 4: Point two hard, I don't really like I'm kind of

711
00:33:28,434 --> 00:33:31,234
Speaker 4: in the middle. Point three. There's there's there's no explanation.

712
00:33:31,274 --> 00:33:33,274
Speaker 4: You guys were there, I wasn't. Mike, and I really

713
00:33:33,314 --> 00:33:36,354
Speaker 4: weren't aware of wind at all until Drake May said.

714
00:33:36,154 --> 00:33:38,754
Speaker 6: What he's listened. I it's on record. Before the game.

715
00:33:38,794 --> 00:33:41,274
Speaker 6: I pointed out that which direction the win? Because I

716
00:33:41,314 --> 00:33:44,074
Speaker 6: noticed that which direction the wind? As you're looking at

717
00:33:44,074 --> 00:33:45,914
Speaker 6: the bench, it's going from right to left.

718
00:33:46,034 --> 00:33:48,514
Speaker 4: Okay, so it never stopped. If that was something, if

719
00:33:48,514 --> 00:33:51,794
Speaker 4: that was something that they were cognizant of at the kickoff. Oh,

720
00:33:51,834 --> 00:33:54,393
Speaker 4: I was at the well the opening kickoff. Yeah, yeah, Well,

721
00:33:54,394 --> 00:33:57,434
Speaker 4: Girod says the wind changed. Okay, right, I'm not even

722
00:33:57,434 --> 00:33:59,314
Speaker 4: I don't think it did. I'm not even arguing whether

723
00:33:59,314 --> 00:34:02,954
Speaker 4: it did or not. So the wind changed. So, in

724
00:34:02,994 --> 00:34:05,433
Speaker 4: other words, it let's take him for his words. So

725
00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:08,634
Speaker 4: it changed from the start of the game. I assume

726
00:34:08,674 --> 00:34:12,114
Speaker 4: he's talking about, right, I guess you don't monitor like

727
00:34:12,434 --> 00:34:15,074
Speaker 4: there's another decision to be made here now, Yeah, Gerard,

728
00:34:15,074 --> 00:34:18,513
Speaker 4: there's more information. Yeah, at the start of the game,

729
00:34:18,554 --> 00:34:21,794
Speaker 4: whatever it was is what it was. You didn't like

730
00:34:22,314 --> 00:34:24,674
Speaker 4: take thirty seconds to figure out. Okay, if we lose

731
00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:26,554
Speaker 4: the toss here, which side do we take?

732
00:34:26,714 --> 00:34:28,994
Speaker 6: What I'm saying beside the window, what I'm saying at

733
00:34:28,994 --> 00:34:32,234
Speaker 6: the start of the game was consistent with what happened

734
00:34:32,234 --> 00:34:34,274
Speaker 6: at the end when Drake said he was throwing into

735
00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:35,993
Speaker 6: the wind. I guess how it was going at the

736
00:34:36,034 --> 00:34:36,553
Speaker 6: start too.

737
00:34:36,634 --> 00:34:40,673
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying. It didn't change to me, right, yeah,

738
00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:43,794
Speaker 4: but there is no argument to be made that if

739
00:34:43,794 --> 00:34:48,034
Speaker 4: it changed, you still picked the wrong side. Whether it

740
00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:53,194
Speaker 4: changed or not, you went into the wind willingly. I

741
00:34:53,234 --> 00:34:55,113
Speaker 4: don't have a devil's advocate for that one. I don't

742
00:34:55,274 --> 00:34:56,354
Speaker 4: I don't have an explanation.

743
00:34:56,994 --> 00:35:00,433
Speaker 6: One thing. This is kind of a weird one for me,

744
00:35:00,554 --> 00:35:04,433
Speaker 6: But talking about whether you know run verse pass, I

745
00:35:04,433 --> 00:35:07,553
Speaker 6: think the Patriots need to do something about how the

746
00:35:07,594 --> 00:35:09,794
Speaker 6: play is called in the huddle because I noticed it's

747
00:35:09,794 --> 00:35:11,794
Speaker 6: a tell. If Drake may is blah blah blah blah

748
00:35:11,794 --> 00:35:14,033
Speaker 6: blah blah blah, it's a pass. If he's be both

749
00:35:14,154 --> 00:35:14,433
Speaker 6: it's a.

750
00:35:14,473 --> 00:35:19,553
Speaker 7: Run are historically shorter.

751
00:35:19,433 --> 00:35:21,714
Speaker 6: Well then they have to cover that up somehow, make

752
00:35:21,754 --> 00:35:24,954
Speaker 6: them all the same length, at least seemingly in the huddle.

753
00:35:24,994 --> 00:35:27,473
Speaker 6: Because I noticed, like, if he's blah blah blah, bob,

754
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,993
Speaker 6: then it's gonna then it was a pass every time.

755
00:35:30,994 --> 00:35:33,433
Speaker 7: But deerie noticing that on your TV? Or can you

756
00:35:33,514 --> 00:35:36,393
Speaker 7: notice that? No, I'm watching it on the binocular? Yeah,

757
00:35:36,393 --> 00:35:38,433
Speaker 7: because like that's the difference, right, is like if his.

758
00:35:39,314 --> 00:35:41,114
Speaker 6: I don't care what the viewers are watching, I care

759
00:35:41,154 --> 00:35:41,513
Speaker 6: what the other.

760
00:35:41,714 --> 00:35:43,234
Speaker 7: But I'm saying like, if it's a close up of

761
00:35:43,354 --> 00:35:44,074
Speaker 7: him doing.

762
00:35:43,873 --> 00:35:46,993
Speaker 6: It, they may not be able to see as much.

763
00:35:47,194 --> 00:35:48,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, you can kind of tell.

764
00:35:48,794 --> 00:35:52,074
Speaker 6: Like his head's moving but how long this is gonna be?

765
00:35:53,674 --> 00:35:54,553
Speaker 4: That was next level.

766
00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:55,073
Speaker 2: Yeah.

767
00:35:55,114 --> 00:35:57,154
Speaker 5: I looked at it Fred doing his live block, and

768
00:35:57,834 --> 00:35:58,634
Speaker 5: so do you think.

769
00:35:58,433 --> 00:36:00,994
Speaker 4: He goes like in the huddle and it's like, yeah,

770
00:36:01,194 --> 00:36:02,194
Speaker 4: we're gonna run it here.

771
00:36:02,634 --> 00:36:05,314
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's it's markedly short.

772
00:36:05,473 --> 00:36:07,714
Speaker 4: Yeah when when when when a v P is in

773
00:36:07,754 --> 00:36:10,473
Speaker 4: his in his headsets, he's power right.

774
00:36:10,554 --> 00:36:14,993
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I hope you gotta figure out a way

775
00:36:15,034 --> 00:36:17,474
Speaker 6: to make it all look the same in the huddle.

776
00:36:18,074 --> 00:36:21,153
Speaker 4: Okay, remember to get back to that power. I write

777
00:36:21,194 --> 00:36:24,274
Speaker 4: twenty two later in the I gotta I got a

778
00:36:24,274 --> 00:36:25,594
Speaker 4: little I got a little line of dope.

779
00:36:25,834 --> 00:36:25,913
Speaker 6: Uh.

780
00:36:26,154 --> 00:36:27,993
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask you guys, because even't mentioned a little bit.

781
00:36:28,194 --> 00:36:30,714
Speaker 5: I'm sure we're getting to the two point conversion. But

782
00:36:30,754 --> 00:36:33,393
Speaker 5: what was the feeling like in the stadium on that

783
00:36:33,473 --> 00:36:35,794
Speaker 5: last drive for the Patriots of regulation when they when

784
00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:36,594
Speaker 5: they went down the field and.

785
00:36:37,274 --> 00:36:40,314
Speaker 4: We all know that the press box is not necessarily

786
00:36:40,314 --> 00:36:43,074
Speaker 4: a quiet place, what was the scuttle But no, it.

787
00:36:42,953 --> 00:36:45,153
Speaker 6: Was I think it was a professional press box.

788
00:36:45,234 --> 00:36:47,954
Speaker 4: No, what were you guys like amongst yourselves, like saying

789
00:36:48,393 --> 00:36:49,714
Speaker 4: I'd go for two here or no.

790
00:36:50,794 --> 00:36:54,593
Speaker 6: My feeling was whatever they decided was good. I could

791
00:36:54,634 --> 00:36:56,754
Speaker 6: have gone either way. I could have gone either way,

792
00:36:56,794 --> 00:36:59,074
Speaker 6: but I'm on record for saying tie the game and

793
00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:01,754
Speaker 6: extend it. That was my decision. But if they had

794
00:37:01,794 --> 00:37:03,274
Speaker 6: gone for two, I'd been fine with that.

795
00:37:04,433 --> 00:37:04,754
Speaker 4: Yeah.

796
00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:06,633
Speaker 7: I go back and forth on it too. I thought

797
00:37:06,634 --> 00:37:09,634
Speaker 7: that the atmosphere in the stadium was like a weird

798
00:37:09,674 --> 00:37:13,514
Speaker 7: combination because there there there there were a good amount

799
00:37:13,514 --> 00:37:16,314
Speaker 7: of Patriots fans that made the trip down there for

800
00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:19,834
Speaker 7: the weekend. So there was some cheering definitely on the

801
00:37:19,873 --> 00:37:21,794
Speaker 7: Remondra Stevenson touchdown.

802
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:24,633
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there was one slamming of the desk by

803
00:37:24,674 --> 00:37:27,314
Speaker 6: somebody in the press box on one play tuble O.

804
00:37:27,634 --> 00:37:30,994
Speaker 6: The main name was yeah, yeah.

805
00:37:30,154 --> 00:37:31,913
Speaker 4: Yeah after the pick.

806
00:37:32,834 --> 00:37:35,714
Speaker 6: Where when was that? After the touchdow after the touchdown

807
00:37:35,994 --> 00:37:38,114
Speaker 6: it was a good sling yeah and excitement.

808
00:37:38,074 --> 00:37:38,993
Speaker 4: Oh oh oh.

809
00:37:39,194 --> 00:37:43,593
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It was more like, oh, it

810
00:37:43,634 --> 00:37:47,954
Speaker 6: was oh yeah, you're welcome, yeah yeah yeah.

811
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,274
Speaker 4: So I just was curious if you know any of

812
00:37:50,274 --> 00:37:53,194
Speaker 4: the writers, you know, like you could somehow high five.

813
00:37:53,234 --> 00:37:56,154
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can hear people out about like, you know,

814
00:37:56,594 --> 00:37:59,314
Speaker 4: go like I could, like I think Mike, like I

815
00:37:59,354 --> 00:38:01,234
Speaker 4: talked to Mike a little bit this morning, Mike Greece

816
00:38:01,274 --> 00:38:04,473
Speaker 4: and his feeling was, you know, as they were getting close,

817
00:38:04,514 --> 00:38:06,433
Speaker 4: he was thinking, I'd go for two and try to win.

818
00:38:06,514 --> 00:38:08,873
Speaker 6: Well, this is one of the rare press boxes where

819
00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:11,634
Speaker 6: we were in the front row, like against the glass,

820
00:38:12,034 --> 00:38:12,433
Speaker 6: so you.

821
00:38:12,314 --> 00:38:14,674
Speaker 4: Don't back with the steers. Yea, when you're.

822
00:38:14,634 --> 00:38:17,434
Speaker 6: Behind you can hear more, but I didn't. I didn't

823
00:38:17,433 --> 00:38:19,274
Speaker 6: hear as much because I was facing the glass.

824
00:38:19,634 --> 00:38:22,633
Speaker 7: It's a lot of like kind of apart from the

825
00:38:22,674 --> 00:38:24,473
Speaker 7: external media too.

826
00:38:24,714 --> 00:38:26,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, they just to keep Evan away from the rest

827
00:38:26,873 --> 00:38:27,354
Speaker 6: of the media.

828
00:38:27,514 --> 00:38:31,274
Speaker 7: Yeah that makes sense, that checks out. But yeah, no

829
00:38:31,433 --> 00:38:34,314
Speaker 7: they I was back and forth on the go for

830
00:38:34,393 --> 00:38:34,834
Speaker 7: two things.

831
00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:34,993
Speaker 8: Two.

832
00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:36,873
Speaker 7: I think it's a coin flip, and that's what the

833
00:38:36,994 --> 00:38:39,434
Speaker 7: analytics would tell you that it's basically a coin flip.

834
00:38:40,154 --> 00:38:42,834
Speaker 6: But for me that had analytics is off the board

835
00:38:42,873 --> 00:38:45,834
Speaker 6: on that particular decision. Yeah, you know, I think.

836
00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:49,913
Speaker 7: I think that, you know, just weighing the circumstance. So

837
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:53,754
Speaker 7: if you go into overtime, then you need another full

838
00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:57,513
Speaker 7: drive like a seventy five yard touchdown drive, or you

839
00:38:57,594 --> 00:39:00,393
Speaker 7: need to stop by your defense and points by your

840
00:39:00,433 --> 00:39:02,953
Speaker 7: offense and overtime, or you could just get it in

841
00:39:02,994 --> 00:39:04,993
Speaker 7: one play on the two point and win, or lose

842
00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:05,954
Speaker 7: that way, or you could.

843
00:39:05,873 --> 00:39:08,873
Speaker 6: Miss it, you know, so yeah shot or you have many.

844
00:39:09,194 --> 00:39:11,194
Speaker 6: You could look at it the positive way. I got

845
00:39:11,234 --> 00:39:13,034
Speaker 6: one shot or I got many shots.

846
00:39:13,074 --> 00:39:14,193
Speaker 4: I'ms are heavy.

847
00:39:14,234 --> 00:39:17,194
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for what it's worth. The nerds said to

848
00:39:17,274 --> 00:39:18,433
Speaker 7: kick for what it's worth.

849
00:39:18,514 --> 00:39:19,634
Speaker 4: I mean, palms of sweating.

850
00:39:19,913 --> 00:39:21,713
Speaker 5: I just think this is an offense that doesn't really

851
00:39:21,873 --> 00:39:24,234
Speaker 5: have an identity that they believe in right now. And

852
00:39:24,714 --> 00:39:26,513
Speaker 5: you know, if you had that, I want them to

853
00:39:26,554 --> 00:39:29,394
Speaker 5: have the identity right now of we got two wins,

854
00:39:29,674 --> 00:39:31,634
Speaker 5: we're gonna be picking in the top five. Let's just

855
00:39:31,674 --> 00:39:33,953
Speaker 5: screw it and be aggressive and toss caution to the

856
00:39:33,994 --> 00:39:36,354
Speaker 5: wind and not say whoa, whoa, whoa, we gotta play defense.

857
00:39:36,554 --> 00:39:38,993
Speaker 6: We gotta put like well, you wonder if it was

858
00:39:39,034 --> 00:39:41,674
Speaker 6: a more traditional way to score, if it wasn't this

859
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:45,754
Speaker 6: twelve second scramble, if it was you know, a normal play,

860
00:39:45,834 --> 00:39:48,033
Speaker 6: if they would have felt more confident going for two

861
00:39:48,074 --> 00:39:51,994
Speaker 6: because Drake said he was tired, and I think Mayo mentioned,

862
00:39:52,074 --> 00:39:53,834
Speaker 6: you know, guys were a little win.

863
00:39:53,834 --> 00:39:54,154
Speaker 9: Just on them.

864
00:39:54,154 --> 00:39:55,953
Speaker 5: But I love the argument that the defense is got

865
00:39:55,953 --> 00:39:58,553
Speaker 5: of a defense felt, you know, and they're on their

866
00:39:58,594 --> 00:40:00,794
Speaker 5: fair enough fields. And I mean Evan said that fair enough.

867
00:40:00,794 --> 00:40:03,314
Speaker 5: The touchdown was scored, all the place explodes. I mean,

868
00:40:03,354 --> 00:40:05,393
Speaker 5: I know they're tired, but like I mean, we said

869
00:40:05,393 --> 00:40:06,434
Speaker 5: it on our show yet.

870
00:40:06,354 --> 00:40:09,673
Speaker 4: Time, Like that's not like the play ends in the play,

871
00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:10,714
Speaker 4: clock starts on.

872
00:40:11,754 --> 00:40:13,433
Speaker 6: So let me ask you a question. And your guy

873
00:40:13,634 --> 00:40:16,393
Speaker 6: asked it yesterday on his show, and I don't have

874
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:19,794
Speaker 6: the answer. But you guys were watching more on TV

875
00:40:19,913 --> 00:40:23,393
Speaker 6: than I was. After the play. Did Mayo go one

876
00:40:23,473 --> 00:40:25,154
Speaker 6: or two with his fingers or did he make a

877
00:40:25,314 --> 00:40:26,954
Speaker 6: quick indication of what his decision?

878
00:40:26,994 --> 00:40:29,554
Speaker 4: I think it was it was reasonably quick. Yeah. Now,

879
00:40:29,754 --> 00:40:32,873
Speaker 4: if you listen to them, they say that they had

880
00:40:32,873 --> 00:40:35,953
Speaker 4: already determined during the drive that they were kicking it

881
00:40:36,114 --> 00:40:40,234
Speaker 4: to tie. Okay, oh really doesn't mean that's what happened. Yeah,

882
00:40:40,234 --> 00:40:43,594
Speaker 4: but that's that's been the story that's come out and

883
00:40:43,594 --> 00:40:47,314
Speaker 4: and whatnot. I want, yeah, I want to stay like

884
00:40:47,674 --> 00:40:50,754
Speaker 4: this is. I agree. There's no right or wrong answer

885
00:40:50,994 --> 00:40:53,754
Speaker 4: to those I personally would have gone for two.

886
00:40:54,314 --> 00:40:54,714
Speaker 6: You would have.

887
00:40:54,754 --> 00:40:56,434
Speaker 4: I would have And I said it to Mike before

888
00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,993
Speaker 4: I actually said it. When I dared to say when

889
00:40:58,994 --> 00:41:01,354
Speaker 4: they were on the twenty yard line and Matt smith

890
00:41:02,074 --> 00:41:05,033
Speaker 4: scoffed and scolded me for even thinking that they were

891
00:41:05,034 --> 00:41:06,354
Speaker 4: going to get in, and I was like, I think

892
00:41:06,393 --> 00:41:08,873
Speaker 4: they're going to get in. I mean I didn't obviously

893
00:41:08,994 --> 00:41:10,274
Speaker 4: envision the way they got in.

894
00:41:10,393 --> 00:41:11,993
Speaker 6: He's so pessimistic.

895
00:41:12,473 --> 00:41:17,513
Speaker 4: Oh, you have no idea. But I think for like

896
00:41:17,634 --> 00:41:20,153
Speaker 4: Mike touched on one of the reasons why, I think

897
00:41:21,754 --> 00:41:26,593
Speaker 4: when when wins and losses aren't necessarily the only thing

898
00:41:26,674 --> 00:41:30,594
Speaker 4: that matters, I think you established something in a situation

899
00:41:30,714 --> 00:41:32,913
Speaker 4: like that by going even if you miss it, Like

900
00:41:33,554 --> 00:41:35,393
Speaker 4: I would have much rather have missed the two point

901
00:41:35,393 --> 00:41:38,794
Speaker 4: conversion and lost than lost in overtime the way they did.

902
00:41:38,953 --> 00:41:41,474
Speaker 6: Do you think Poke falling down the week before?

903
00:41:41,594 --> 00:41:43,674
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is this is another good point. I

904
00:41:43,674 --> 00:41:46,513
Speaker 4: got a lot of these. I've heard a lot of well,

905
00:41:46,554 --> 00:41:50,114
Speaker 4: what play would you run? I mean, they couldn't do

906
00:41:50,194 --> 00:41:53,674
Speaker 4: anything on it. Do something, they couldn't run it. So

907
00:41:54,274 --> 00:41:58,234
Speaker 4: I've also heard and Evan just reiterated it, and he's right,

908
00:41:58,393 --> 00:42:01,114
Speaker 4: extend the game, go to overtime. We didn't want to

909
00:42:01,154 --> 00:42:03,154
Speaker 4: extend the game. When we were down nine in London

910
00:42:03,234 --> 00:42:05,033
Speaker 4: with eight minutes left, we decided to put it all

911
00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:07,513
Speaker 4: on a two point conversion because the game ended on

912
00:42:07,554 --> 00:42:10,354
Speaker 4: that failed two point conversion. We didn't want to. We

913
00:42:10,354 --> 00:42:14,433
Speaker 4: weren't interested in extending the game that day. Right, And

914
00:42:14,473 --> 00:42:17,154
Speaker 4: we've also heard from the analytics people that have smacked

915
00:42:17,194 --> 00:42:19,074
Speaker 4: Mike and I around for thinking that they shouldn't have

916
00:42:19,114 --> 00:42:22,433
Speaker 4: gone for two in London. Well, the play was there.

917
00:42:23,594 --> 00:42:26,074
Speaker 4: You had to play Polk fell down, run that play

918
00:42:27,194 --> 00:42:31,513
Speaker 4: and have someone else running the route that doesn't fall down. Yeah, right, right,

919
00:42:31,594 --> 00:42:33,834
Speaker 4: I mean, I admit you can't run. You couldn't run

920
00:42:33,834 --> 00:42:37,473
Speaker 4: Stevenson off tackle. I mean after the first his first

921
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:39,073
Speaker 4: carry of the game, he got five yards. I don't

922
00:42:39,074 --> 00:42:41,674
Speaker 4: think you got more than one on any carry after that. Like,

923
00:42:41,794 --> 00:42:45,194
Speaker 4: it was ridiculous how unproductive the running game was. But

924
00:42:46,554 --> 00:42:49,713
Speaker 4: you got to have some kind of point play.

925
00:42:49,953 --> 00:42:52,634
Speaker 7: Yeah, they said they had a two point play. I

926
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Speaker 7: mean I know what it was, but I would hope

927
00:42:54,473 --> 00:42:55,073
Speaker 7: so yeah.

928
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:56,274
Speaker 6: I mean that's and the other.

929
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Speaker 4: Part that you know, and I just touched on it,

930
00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:00,593
Speaker 4: the whole fatigue thing. Yeah, I have no doubt that

931
00:43:00,754 --> 00:43:04,393
Speaker 4: Drake May was exhausted, absolutely exhausted.

932
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Speaker 5: But got two and a half yards and eat Drakie.

933
00:43:06,514 --> 00:43:10,194
Speaker 4: He had like five guys chasing him for those twelve seconds.

934
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Speaker 4: They had to be exhausted too.

935
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the only one where I wonder like the

936
00:43:14,393 --> 00:43:17,473
Speaker 5: read option stuff probably off the table and that you know,

937
00:43:17,594 --> 00:43:19,714
Speaker 5: like where he just ran that much Like I don't know,

938
00:43:20,074 --> 00:43:22,913
Speaker 5: like ideally i'd love to like that's that's an advantage

939
00:43:22,913 --> 00:43:23,154
Speaker 5: that you.

940
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Speaker 6: Want to get.

941
00:43:23,794 --> 00:43:25,714
Speaker 4: But that's one point. Hey, I don't know.

942
00:43:25,754 --> 00:43:27,034
Speaker 5: Weg go ahead and what would you what do you

943
00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:29,274
Speaker 5: think would what were you thinking with a play call there?

944
00:43:29,473 --> 00:43:29,673
Speaker 4: Yeah?

945
00:43:29,714 --> 00:43:34,113
Speaker 7: I mean I would not at that field position, Paul.

946
00:43:35,314 --> 00:43:38,873
Speaker 7: I would like to think that they have some sort

947
00:43:38,913 --> 00:43:42,234
Speaker 7: of like Philly RPO in their back pocket or like

948
00:43:42,514 --> 00:43:45,634
Speaker 7: he has three options to hand it, to run it himself,

949
00:43:45,754 --> 00:43:47,794
Speaker 7: or to throw it to somebody in the flat if

950
00:43:47,834 --> 00:43:50,074
Speaker 7: that's there too, and you kind of get them out,

951
00:43:50,114 --> 00:43:52,033
Speaker 7: you know, in space and give them like a couple

952
00:43:52,074 --> 00:43:56,074
Speaker 7: of different options on a play. But that's optimistic to

953
00:43:56,114 --> 00:43:58,153
Speaker 7: think that they have that, to be honest.

954
00:43:58,674 --> 00:44:00,433
Speaker 4: Not a pick play like everybody else does.

955
00:44:00,554 --> 00:44:02,913
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. Eight five five past five hundred is

956
00:44:02,913 --> 00:44:05,914
Speaker 6: the TPX hotline. That's eight five five past five hundred

957
00:44:06,234 --> 00:44:11,714
Speaker 6: podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address. I

958
00:44:11,754 --> 00:44:16,553
Speaker 6: had a nice get together with sweet kid, Oh nice

959
00:44:16,634 --> 00:44:20,073
Speaker 6: Melvin from Tennessee and Trey from Memphis ninety Saturday Night,

960
00:44:20,714 --> 00:44:22,834
Speaker 6: You're with the boys, went to listen to some bluegrass,

961
00:44:22,834 --> 00:44:23,794
Speaker 6: which wasn't very good.

962
00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:26,794
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Fred Yeah, comes down on the music. Yeah.

963
00:44:26,873 --> 00:44:30,154
Speaker 6: No. I My idea of bluegrass is it's the instruments,

964
00:44:30,314 --> 00:44:32,754
Speaker 6: you know, like if your banjo and guitar on front

965
00:44:32,794 --> 00:44:35,194
Speaker 6: and center, then it's not bluegrass. And this was like singing.

966
00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:39,114
Speaker 4: It's like you have a lot of yeah rules.

967
00:44:38,794 --> 00:44:39,953
Speaker 6: Yes, I do you do?

968
00:44:40,074 --> 00:44:43,794
Speaker 5: Yes, I yes, it's blue glass grassrooms have blue grassrooms.

969
00:44:43,834 --> 00:44:45,953
Speaker 7: How are the two and seven Browns in the hunt?

970
00:44:46,074 --> 00:44:48,553
Speaker 6: Nobody knows what you're talking about, Evan, they're not in

971
00:44:48,554 --> 00:44:51,114
Speaker 6: the hunt. All right, let's get to our crawlers. You

972
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Speaker 6: see what they have to say. They even as on

973
00:44:53,674 --> 00:44:58,634
Speaker 6: those socks, says patiently, holding on. Yes, that Patty's inn agawam,

974
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Speaker 6: what's up Patty? Hey?

975
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Speaker 10: Afternoon?

976
00:45:01,634 --> 00:45:05,033
Speaker 4: Everyone, Hey, hey, hey, So.

977
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Speaker 10: I wanted to touch on a couple of things, Paul.

978
00:45:06,594 --> 00:45:07,194
Speaker 8: I think you're right.

979
00:45:07,234 --> 00:45:09,354
Speaker 10: I think over like the last sixteen years or so

980
00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:15,553
Speaker 10: or somewhere thereabout offensive linemens, specifically tackles taken high, it's

981
00:45:15,594 --> 00:45:17,513
Speaker 10: hit or missed. It's like fifty to fifty, and I

982
00:45:17,554 --> 00:45:20,834
Speaker 10: feel like I mean, they didn't always one hit before that,

983
00:45:20,873 --> 00:45:22,754
Speaker 10: but I feel like the percentage is a lot better.

984
00:45:23,634 --> 00:45:25,874
Speaker 8: And my question it's.

985
00:45:25,794 --> 00:45:27,473
Speaker 10: Kind of for Evan, because Evan, I know, you break

986
00:45:27,514 --> 00:45:29,873
Speaker 10: down the film, and a couple of weeks ago on

987
00:45:29,913 --> 00:45:31,513
Speaker 10: Catch twenty two, I said, what do we have to

988
00:45:31,554 --> 00:45:33,674
Speaker 10: do to stop the run? What the hell do we

989
00:45:33,714 --> 00:45:35,874
Speaker 10: have to do to get our running game going? Because

990
00:45:36,034 --> 00:45:38,794
Speaker 10: I mean, it was decent in the first two games,

991
00:45:39,114 --> 00:45:40,834
Speaker 10: and I don't think these guys just forgot how to

992
00:45:40,913 --> 00:45:43,234
Speaker 10: run block. Maybe it's you know, they caught some people

993
00:45:43,234 --> 00:45:45,874
Speaker 10: off guard because they didn't have filmed the first two weeks.

994
00:45:45,873 --> 00:45:48,794
Speaker 10: But how do we do it? How do we, you know,

995
00:45:49,074 --> 00:45:52,074
Speaker 10: sort of balance this south so Drake may is not

996
00:45:52,594 --> 00:45:55,594
Speaker 10: our entire offense, and because it's not sustainable, that's what

997
00:45:55,674 --> 00:45:57,113
Speaker 10: I got. I'll take it off their things. Guys.

998
00:45:57,194 --> 00:45:58,554
Speaker 4: Thanks, yeah, thanks Patty.

999
00:45:58,594 --> 00:46:00,433
Speaker 7: I wrote about it, and after further of you, I

1000
00:46:00,433 --> 00:46:04,073
Speaker 7: feel like that's probably the second biggest thing people are

1001
00:46:04,114 --> 00:46:06,674
Speaker 7: interested in. First obviously just being how Drake played. But

1002
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:09,314
Speaker 7: I think the biggest thing when I see the running

1003
00:46:09,314 --> 00:46:11,873
Speaker 7: game right now is they're just they're running a lot

1004
00:46:11,873 --> 00:46:14,074
Speaker 7: of outside zones still, and that just doesn't seem to

1005
00:46:14,154 --> 00:46:17,073
Speaker 7: be working on any front. They just can't reach those

1006
00:46:17,114 --> 00:46:20,074
Speaker 7: blocks on the line of scrimmage to get the outside

1007
00:46:20,154 --> 00:46:23,274
Speaker 7: zone game going. And then they had some weird gap

1008
00:46:23,354 --> 00:46:26,153
Speaker 7: runs in this game, Like they had one early where

1009
00:46:26,154 --> 00:46:28,834
Speaker 7: they put Citiso at full back and then they ran

1010
00:46:28,913 --> 00:46:33,354
Speaker 7: away from him instead of having Stevenson follow him, you know,

1011
00:46:33,433 --> 00:46:36,794
Speaker 7: through the hole. They ran away from the lead play,

1012
00:46:37,234 --> 00:46:40,433
Speaker 7: and I thought that was peculiar because it just like,

1013
00:46:40,473 --> 00:46:42,153
Speaker 7: why put him in there then if you're just gonna

1014
00:46:42,194 --> 00:46:44,713
Speaker 7: run away from it. So they have some weird things

1015
00:46:44,754 --> 00:46:48,154
Speaker 7: going on. Schematically, I would say, just decisions, you know,

1016
00:46:48,234 --> 00:46:50,073
Speaker 7: how they want to run the ball, how they want

1017
00:46:50,074 --> 00:46:52,593
Speaker 7: to play action off the run game Like right now,

1018
00:46:52,794 --> 00:46:56,754
Speaker 7: none of it is really sequencing or marrying together. And

1019
00:46:56,794 --> 00:46:58,154
Speaker 7: that's been a big problem as well.

1020
00:46:58,194 --> 00:46:58,354
Speaker 8: Well.

1021
00:46:58,354 --> 00:47:01,674
Speaker 7: See this week they Bears run defense is terrible, So

1022
00:47:01,714 --> 00:47:04,394
Speaker 7: hopefully that's something that they can get going this week.

1023
00:47:04,674 --> 00:47:06,473
Speaker 5: You just think that it would improve though, right Like,

1024
00:47:06,473 --> 00:47:07,834
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one thing that I kind of

1025
00:47:07,834 --> 00:47:11,034
Speaker 5: believe of just the dance of rum blocking and how

1026
00:47:11,314 --> 00:47:12,953
Speaker 5: it's all got to be in concert and we all

1027
00:47:12,994 --> 00:47:15,433
Speaker 5: have to take this step together and it'll get better

1028
00:47:15,473 --> 00:47:17,994
Speaker 5: as we work on it. And that's just what's jarring

1029
00:47:17,994 --> 00:47:19,594
Speaker 5: to me. It's like, at some point it has to

1030
00:47:19,634 --> 00:47:21,513
Speaker 5: start to look better. You've been practicing it, you've been

1031
00:47:21,554 --> 00:47:22,594
Speaker 5: telling us this, it hasn't.

1032
00:47:22,754 --> 00:47:22,794
Speaker 9: So.

1033
00:47:22,873 --> 00:47:25,714
Speaker 6: I watched the last night Tristan Whorf. He had one

1034
00:47:25,754 --> 00:47:29,794
Speaker 6: sequence where he gets his inside block and then goes

1035
00:47:29,794 --> 00:47:32,873
Speaker 6: out and then kicks out the safety or whoever. It

1036
00:47:32,953 --> 00:47:35,834
Speaker 6: was like he had two key blocks on one play.

1037
00:47:35,834 --> 00:47:37,433
Speaker 6: It's just like, man, why can't we get that?

1038
00:47:37,873 --> 00:47:42,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would just say sometimes you think back

1039
00:47:42,393 --> 00:47:45,914
Speaker 4: and you remember the production and you don't really remember

1040
00:47:46,114 --> 00:47:49,314
Speaker 4: how we were talking about it. Patty brought up you

1041
00:47:49,314 --> 00:47:52,873
Speaker 4: know that Drake may running around is unsustainable. The three

1042
00:47:52,913 --> 00:47:56,234
Speaker 4: of us talked about how asking Remandri Stevenson to break

1043
00:47:56,234 --> 00:47:57,834
Speaker 4: the amount of tackles that he was breaking in the

1044
00:47:57,873 --> 00:48:00,794
Speaker 4: first two games was unsustainable. Yeah, and we've seen it,

1045
00:48:01,393 --> 00:48:03,714
Speaker 4: like you consistently get hit in the backfield, You're not

1046
00:48:03,754 --> 00:48:05,913
Speaker 4: going to consistently get yards right. It's going to catch

1047
00:48:05,994 --> 00:48:07,633
Speaker 4: up to It catches up to you. And I think

1048
00:48:07,873 --> 00:48:10,754
Speaker 4: I don't think that they blocked that much worse than

1049
00:48:10,754 --> 00:48:14,953
Speaker 4: they were. I just think Stevenson was exceptional and I

1050
00:48:14,953 --> 00:48:17,234
Speaker 4: think Gibson was exceptional at it too. I should put

1051
00:48:17,274 --> 00:48:20,714
Speaker 4: him in there. He's really gone like silent.

1052
00:48:20,794 --> 00:48:22,633
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he's kind of disappeared since.

1053
00:48:22,634 --> 00:48:24,554
Speaker 4: And I made the comment like, have you noticed thev

1054
00:48:24,714 --> 00:48:27,714
Speaker 4: like we're talking about in the post game, played eight snaps,

1055
00:48:27,754 --> 00:48:30,553
Speaker 4: but since the game that he had to replace you know,

1056
00:48:30,634 --> 00:48:32,553
Speaker 4: those two games that he had to replace Stevenson, he

1057
00:48:32,634 --> 00:48:35,914
Speaker 4: was the man. Yeah, and he did nothing. He's done.

1058
00:48:36,433 --> 00:48:38,953
Speaker 4: He's not had that role where he can fill in

1059
00:48:38,994 --> 00:48:41,674
Speaker 4: and be productive on the injury report a little bit.

1060
00:48:41,714 --> 00:48:44,553
Speaker 7: So I wonder if he's dealing with something that's limiting him.

1061
00:48:44,554 --> 00:48:49,154
Speaker 7: But you know, next gen tracks expected rushing yards per carry,

1062
00:48:49,514 --> 00:48:51,553
Speaker 7: just like based off of the situation and all that

1063
00:48:51,634 --> 00:48:54,314
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, the Patriots are dead last in the

1064
00:48:54,393 --> 00:48:57,234
Speaker 7: league at three point three yards per carry right now

1065
00:48:57,594 --> 00:49:00,274
Speaker 7: that they're expected to get. So this is about to me,

1066
00:49:00,314 --> 00:49:03,393
Speaker 7: it's about blocking in scheme, Like, it's not Remondery, Like

1067
00:49:03,473 --> 00:49:06,354
Speaker 7: he didn't get worse at running the ball. They're just

1068
00:49:06,393 --> 00:49:08,073
Speaker 7: not blocking very well for him right now.

1069
00:49:08,433 --> 00:49:12,393
Speaker 6: Carlos is in the Bay Area. What's up, Carlos?

1070
00:49:12,994 --> 00:49:14,674
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, first time, long time.

1071
00:49:14,994 --> 00:49:15,354
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1072
00:49:16,754 --> 00:49:17,673
Speaker 8: I just wanted to ask.

1073
00:49:17,754 --> 00:49:20,354
Speaker 11: I wanted to hear what your guys' opinion was on

1074
00:49:20,594 --> 00:49:23,593
Speaker 11: drug Mail's comments about the trade deadline and pretty much

1075
00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:25,634
Speaker 11: thing that it's not like the MLB, and they're not

1076
00:49:25,714 --> 00:49:28,354
Speaker 11: going to teams aren't going to trade a starting quarterback

1077
00:49:28,433 --> 00:49:28,633
Speaker 11: or a.

1078
00:49:28,554 --> 00:49:29,274
Speaker 8: Starting left tackle.

1079
00:49:29,314 --> 00:49:31,834
Speaker 11: Those are the examples he used. So I was wondering

1080
00:49:31,834 --> 00:49:34,433
Speaker 11: what you guys thought about that, if you agree, if

1081
00:49:34,473 --> 00:49:37,033
Speaker 11: you think that that's kind of competting the foundation that

1082
00:49:37,074 --> 00:49:39,634
Speaker 11: they won't make big moves, or I just wanted to

1083
00:49:39,634 --> 00:49:40,433
Speaker 11: hear where your guys head.

1084
00:49:40,554 --> 00:49:43,433
Speaker 6: No, I do agree with him, and it isn't it's

1085
00:49:43,433 --> 00:49:46,074
Speaker 6: not like the NBA or the MLB, like guys don't

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00:49:46,114 --> 00:49:48,953
Speaker 6: move typically in the NFL like they do on those

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00:49:48,994 --> 00:49:50,074
Speaker 6: other trade deadlines.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and no, I think if you want to use

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00:49:53,354 --> 00:49:55,834
Speaker 4: his you know, and I didn't hear Gerad's comment, but

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00:49:55,873 --> 00:49:57,674
Speaker 4: if you want to use that specific example, you know,

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00:49:57,714 --> 00:50:01,073
Speaker 4: starting quarterbacks aren't moving or whatever, I'd say that. I mean,

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00:50:01,074 --> 00:50:02,953
Speaker 4: that's largely true. You're not going to get the star

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00:50:03,074 --> 00:50:06,513
Speaker 4: or the stars. But there's been a fair amount of

1094
00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:11,234
Speaker 4: activity already. There has a left tackle moved camera early. Yeah, well,

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00:50:11,234 --> 00:50:13,553
Speaker 4: I mean to me, that's trade deadline. Yeah, I you know,

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00:50:13,594 --> 00:50:16,554
Speaker 4: I count. I think there was a fifth receiver added today.

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00:50:16,634 --> 00:50:20,674
Speaker 4: Jonathan Mingo moved a pretty good pass rusher in Zadaria.

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00:50:20,754 --> 00:50:21,594
Speaker 4: Smith moved ye.

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00:50:22,754 --> 00:50:23,834
Speaker 7: Brandon Browning moves.

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00:50:24,514 --> 00:50:28,474
Speaker 4: Baron Browning moved yesterday. Like to me, they're all trade

1101
00:50:28,473 --> 00:50:32,274
Speaker 4: deadline deals. Yeah, the team that generally was making the

1102
00:50:32,314 --> 00:50:34,154
Speaker 4: moves felt like they were probably out of it and

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00:50:34,154 --> 00:50:36,993
Speaker 4: they're selling off pieces. And I'm not telling you the

1104
00:50:36,994 --> 00:50:39,354
Speaker 4: Patriots are losing a huge opportunity here. I'm just saying

1105
00:50:40,154 --> 00:50:44,473
Speaker 4: I think Gerrod's overall tenor undersold what I think the

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00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:47,433
Speaker 4: trading deadline in the NFL is starting to become. I

1107
00:50:47,514 --> 00:50:50,153
Speaker 4: think teams are using it more and more than they did.

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00:50:51,034 --> 00:50:53,954
Speaker 4: I feel like there's more player acquisition in the Remember

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00:50:54,433 --> 00:50:58,114
Speaker 4: you probably don't, but when Andy was still here, we

1110
00:50:58,154 --> 00:51:00,314
Speaker 4: had this whole thing about quarterbacks, like, well, you screwed.

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00:51:00,354 --> 00:51:02,593
Speaker 4: If you don't have a quarterback, you have to draft them.

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00:51:02,714 --> 00:51:04,994
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know if that's true anymore,

1113
00:51:05,034 --> 00:51:08,794
Speaker 4: Like if Peyton Manning can change teams, you know, Drew

1114
00:51:08,873 --> 00:51:13,034
Speaker 4: Brees is changing to you know, like there's a way

1115
00:51:13,794 --> 00:51:17,274
Speaker 4: that players become available now that I don't think existed,

1116
00:51:17,354 --> 00:51:20,674
Speaker 4: say in the first part of the Patriots dynasty, you know,

1117
00:51:21,514 --> 00:51:23,834
Speaker 4: twenty in two thousand and one, it was like free

1118
00:51:23,834 --> 00:51:27,794
Speaker 4: agency and draft, you know, and you could make moves

1119
00:51:27,794 --> 00:51:31,913
Speaker 4: like that. Now I think I think you're starting to

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Speaker 4: see quarterbacks changing teams in the off season, not during,

1121
00:51:36,674 --> 00:51:39,354
Speaker 4: not in the trade deadline, but a lot of starting

1122
00:51:39,393 --> 00:51:42,993
Speaker 4: caliber quarterbacks are starting to change teams. A lot of

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00:51:43,074 --> 00:51:46,794
Speaker 4: frontline receivers are getting traded in the off season, and

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00:51:46,834 --> 00:51:50,474
Speaker 4: then I would say secondary receivers like Hopkins and Cooper

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00:51:50,913 --> 00:51:54,634
Speaker 4: and Mingo now Deontay Johnson are starting to get traded

1126
00:51:54,634 --> 00:51:56,953
Speaker 4: to the deadline. I think you can get players to

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00:51:57,034 --> 00:51:57,754
Speaker 4: fill needs.

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Speaker 5: It still feels like the cliche of teams that feel

1129
00:52:00,834 --> 00:52:02,754
Speaker 5: like they're a piece away need that one. You know

1130
00:52:02,794 --> 00:52:05,914
Speaker 5: that those are usually the teams that add. But I'd

1131
00:52:05,994 --> 00:52:08,034
Speaker 5: just like to see something, I mean, we talked about.

1132
00:52:08,154 --> 00:52:10,914
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be opposed to adding here, getting somebody that maybe

1133
00:52:10,953 --> 00:52:12,953
Speaker 5: can build for the future. I would.

1134
00:52:12,953 --> 00:52:15,794
Speaker 4: I would A guy like Mango to me, would be

1135
00:52:16,114 --> 00:52:18,794
Speaker 4: and I'm not saying him specifically, I'm saying a guy

1136
00:52:18,994 --> 00:52:21,033
Speaker 4: like that, you know, a second year guy's kind of

1137
00:52:21,194 --> 00:52:25,274
Speaker 4: second round pick been disappointing, hasn't gotten anything going, he

1138
00:52:25,354 --> 00:52:28,554
Speaker 4: available because obviously he moved. Yeah, might you want to

1139
00:52:28,554 --> 00:52:30,154
Speaker 4: bring a guy like that in to see if you

1140
00:52:30,194 --> 00:52:30,953
Speaker 4: can develop him.

1141
00:52:30,994 --> 00:52:33,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why, like Taekwon's name gets thrown around

1142
00:52:33,354 --> 00:52:36,473
Speaker 5: as that, you know, similar kind of situation. Disappointing guy

1143
00:52:36,794 --> 00:52:38,873
Speaker 5: has some traits. Will he worked somewhere else?

1144
00:52:38,953 --> 00:52:41,473
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean last year at the deadline, the Commanders

1145
00:52:41,674 --> 00:52:44,473
Speaker 7: sold both their pass rushers. You know, Montes Sweat goes

1146
00:52:44,473 --> 00:52:46,513
Speaker 7: to the Bears, who are good players, aren't in a

1147
00:52:46,554 --> 00:52:49,513
Speaker 7: win now mode type of situation at that point in

1148
00:52:49,634 --> 00:52:52,834
Speaker 7: time for Chicago. And then the year before, Christian McCaffrey

1149
00:52:52,873 --> 00:52:56,553
Speaker 7: got traded at the trade deadline. So it's not quarterbacks

1150
00:52:56,554 --> 00:52:59,473
Speaker 7: and left tackles per se, right, So I can see

1151
00:52:59,473 --> 00:53:01,834
Speaker 7: where he's coming from with that. But you know, the

1152
00:53:01,873 --> 00:53:04,274
Speaker 7: Bears I thought did a great job with Montes Sweat

1153
00:53:04,314 --> 00:53:05,914
Speaker 7: of then they signed him to a big.

1154
00:53:05,794 --> 00:53:07,873
Speaker 4: Contract tactical of that trade because I was like, what

1155
00:53:07,873 --> 00:53:10,314
Speaker 4: are they doing? He's like gonna leave as a free agent.

1156
00:53:10,354 --> 00:53:12,234
Speaker 4: He's not gonna resign with Chicago A little bit, I.

1157
00:53:12,234 --> 00:53:15,473
Speaker 5: Know, to me is impressive, you know, And that's what

1158
00:53:15,514 --> 00:53:18,194
Speaker 5: I think, Like, let's face it, like they they need

1159
00:53:18,234 --> 00:53:20,393
Speaker 5: some moves to hit. They need to be aggressive, Like

1160
00:53:20,634 --> 00:53:22,513
Speaker 5: the draft class ain't looking great right now. The free

1161
00:53:22,514 --> 00:53:24,993
Speaker 5: agency class ain't looking great right now, Like Drake may

1162
00:53:24,994 --> 00:53:27,794
Speaker 5: looks pretty great, but I'd like to see some creativity, Like.

1163
00:53:27,754 --> 00:53:30,194
Speaker 4: I would love them to get a young wide receiver

1164
00:53:31,314 --> 00:53:34,834
Speaker 4: from somewhere that they can play for eight games and say, hey,

1165
00:53:35,834 --> 00:53:38,433
Speaker 4: maybe we got you know, Darius Slayton with the Giants.

1166
00:53:39,194 --> 00:53:42,194
Speaker 4: You know, you know someone from another team that's in

1167
00:53:42,234 --> 00:53:42,994
Speaker 4: the same situation.

1168
00:53:43,194 --> 00:53:46,354
Speaker 5: Somebody played with Drake, you know, you know the unc guy.

1169
00:53:46,274 --> 00:53:50,113
Speaker 4: Like Jalen Hyath with the Giants who's like, like he's

1170
00:53:50,154 --> 00:53:51,314
Speaker 4: completely fallen.

1171
00:53:51,034 --> 00:53:53,473
Speaker 7: Off the map, taylond Thorton two point zero.

1172
00:53:53,234 --> 00:53:56,314
Speaker 4: Right, but like, but maybe you bring him and again,

1173
00:53:56,393 --> 00:53:58,714
Speaker 4: don't fixate on the name. I like Darius Slayton, but

1174
00:53:58,754 --> 00:54:00,194
Speaker 4: do you know what I'm saying, Like, if you're fixating

1175
00:54:00,194 --> 00:54:03,114
Speaker 4: on the name when I'm talking more about the idea, Yeah, yeah, no.

1176
00:54:03,154 --> 00:54:04,873
Speaker 7: I wrote it in the mail bag today that I

1177
00:54:04,913 --> 00:54:07,513
Speaker 7: would like to see them do to do exactly what

1178
00:54:07,554 --> 00:54:09,354
Speaker 7: the Bears did, Like I I you know, I was

1179
00:54:09,554 --> 00:54:12,513
Speaker 7: watching the Bears on the plane ride to Nashville and

1180
00:54:12,594 --> 00:54:14,873
Speaker 7: number ninety eight keeps popping off the tape and it's like,

1181
00:54:14,873 --> 00:54:16,913
Speaker 7: who is it. It's Montes Sweat. You know, how did

1182
00:54:16,913 --> 00:54:19,354
Speaker 7: they get Montes Sweat. Last year at the trade deadline,

1183
00:54:19,354 --> 00:54:22,153
Speaker 7: they traded a second round pick for Montese Sweat. I mean, look,

1184
00:54:22,154 --> 00:54:25,114
Speaker 7: you can't just manufacture that trade. It's got to be

1185
00:54:25,794 --> 00:54:27,913
Speaker 7: to make that happen. But I'd much rather do that

1186
00:54:27,994 --> 00:54:31,953
Speaker 7: than some of the sell off parts deals that have

1187
00:54:32,034 --> 00:54:32,953
Speaker 7: been floated. You know.

1188
00:54:33,354 --> 00:54:38,114
Speaker 4: But you know, if you got a guy there's some

1189
00:54:38,114 --> 00:54:39,674
Speaker 4: some receiver and all of a sudden he came in

1190
00:54:39,754 --> 00:54:42,194
Speaker 4: the last eight games, you plugged him in and all

1191
00:54:42,194 --> 00:54:44,553
Speaker 4: of a sudden, hey, it looks like Drake May and

1192
00:54:44,714 --> 00:54:48,714
Speaker 4: Darius Slayton have a little chemistry. You know, a guy

1193
00:54:48,754 --> 00:54:51,754
Speaker 4: caught twenty passes, twenty five passes over the last eight games.

1194
00:54:52,433 --> 00:54:55,593
Speaker 4: Maybe now we just need to find like the big

1195
00:54:55,634 --> 00:54:59,754
Speaker 4: dog receiver. But you know, with Douglas and Booty and Darius,

1196
00:55:00,674 --> 00:55:03,714
Speaker 4: maybe we have maybe we have the makings of depth

1197
00:55:03,834 --> 00:55:06,674
Speaker 4: in the receiver corps. We just need to get the

1198
00:55:06,674 --> 00:55:08,593
Speaker 4: big dog right now. I think they need the big dog.

1199
00:55:08,994 --> 00:55:12,393
Speaker 4: I think they need the number two, and they need

1200
00:55:12,393 --> 00:55:15,393
Speaker 4: some depth to go with what they have because I'm

1201
00:55:15,393 --> 00:55:17,794
Speaker 4: not convinced. I'm not sold on any of what they have.

1202
00:55:18,994 --> 00:55:20,633
Speaker 6: Todd's in North Carolina, what's up Todd.

1203
00:55:22,074 --> 00:55:23,354
Speaker 8: Yeah, how you doing good?

1204
00:55:23,634 --> 00:55:23,994
Speaker 5: Todd?

1205
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Speaker 9: I watched a little bit of the pre game on

1206
00:55:28,594 --> 00:55:31,434
Speaker 9: Sunday and they're talking about the evolution of the Detroit

1207
00:55:31,554 --> 00:55:35,633
Speaker 9: Lions and how they actually started by building the two

1208
00:55:35,674 --> 00:55:38,314
Speaker 9: lines their ON line and the D line, and then

1209
00:55:38,754 --> 00:55:41,554
Speaker 9: added pieces to that. Do you think that the Wolf

1210
00:55:41,594 --> 00:55:44,754
Speaker 9: would take that approach or do you think that we

1211
00:55:44,873 --> 00:55:47,114
Speaker 9: need to, you know, jump the shark and try to

1212
00:55:47,154 --> 00:55:51,393
Speaker 9: get more tools for you know, Drake to hit where

1213
00:55:51,834 --> 00:55:53,953
Speaker 9: What would you do? What would be your I think

1214
00:55:54,074 --> 00:55:57,594
Speaker 9: your ultimate draft pick to try the current issues And

1215
00:55:57,634 --> 00:55:59,354
Speaker 9: I'll take the answer off.

1216
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Speaker 6: I think you go for the best players available.

1217
00:56:02,034 --> 00:56:03,993
Speaker 4: You know just what I would do.

1218
00:56:04,114 --> 00:56:08,194
Speaker 6: You prepare yourself for every opportunity that might come up,

1219
00:56:08,274 --> 00:56:09,714
Speaker 6: and then you go for it.

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00:56:09,873 --> 00:56:13,073
Speaker 7: I'm building through the trenches. I think statistically, you see

1221
00:56:13,114 --> 00:56:15,513
Speaker 7: that all the best teams in the league are great

1222
00:56:15,554 --> 00:56:17,194
Speaker 7: on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the

1223
00:56:17,194 --> 00:56:21,433
Speaker 7: ball for the most part. Detroit, Kansas City. I mean,

1224
00:56:21,594 --> 00:56:23,274
Speaker 7: you can just go right down the list, those the

1225
00:56:23,314 --> 00:56:25,594
Speaker 7: teams at the top of the standings. You go and

1226
00:56:25,634 --> 00:56:28,674
Speaker 7: you take like ESPN's like win rate metric on the

1227
00:56:28,714 --> 00:56:30,674
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, and you take the teams at the

1228
00:56:30,674 --> 00:56:33,474
Speaker 7: top of the standings. They are all really highly ranked

1229
00:56:33,634 --> 00:56:36,754
Speaker 7: in pass rush run wad, pass block win rate, you know,

1230
00:56:36,913 --> 00:56:40,114
Speaker 7: run stopping percentage, like all the things that involve the

1231
00:56:40,274 --> 00:56:41,794
Speaker 7: offensive and defensive lines.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm with you. I would take the bet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if if that's if the best players are

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00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:49,033
Speaker 4: defensive take or offensive linemen take them.

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Speaker 14: Good morning everyone, you know, kind of like what I

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00:58:28,194 --> 00:58:33,034
Speaker 14: said last night, you know, leaving the field disappointed, going

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00:58:33,074 --> 00:58:35,634
Speaker 14: back and watching the film and just seeing you know,

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00:58:35,714 --> 00:58:37,754
Speaker 14: plays that were left out there on the field.

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Speaker 3: And I always say, it's not just one play.

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Speaker 14: You know, everyone's gonna either be stuck on you know,

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00:58:42,634 --> 00:58:44,594
Speaker 14: the interception at the end of the game, or to

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00:58:44,714 --> 00:58:46,994
Speaker 14: go forward on two here to go forward or not

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00:58:47,114 --> 00:58:50,034
Speaker 14: to go forward on too. Those are definitely those hindsight

1272
00:58:50,754 --> 00:58:52,914
Speaker 14: things that I oftentimes think about, but at the same

1273
00:58:52,954 --> 00:58:55,394
Speaker 14: time that we prepare for throughout the weekend during the

1274
00:58:55,434 --> 00:59:00,314
Speaker 14: flow of the game. Obviously, you know, I'm very proud

1275
00:59:00,354 --> 00:59:03,274
Speaker 14: of the way the locker room has stuck together. You know,

1276
00:59:03,354 --> 00:59:05,834
Speaker 14: it was it was a battle. You know, anytime you

1277
00:59:05,874 --> 00:59:09,194
Speaker 14: go in the overtime on the road like that, it

1278
00:59:09,274 --> 00:59:11,914
Speaker 14: takes a lot. And I would say it takes a lot,

1279
00:59:12,034 --> 00:59:15,714
Speaker 14: especially when you lose, uh, lose the game, and proud

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Speaker 14: of the way.

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00:59:16,074 --> 00:59:18,434
Speaker 3: The guys you know, showed, showed some toughness.

1282
00:59:18,674 --> 00:59:18,794
Speaker 9: Uh.

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00:59:19,714 --> 00:59:21,954
Speaker 3: Unfortunately we're I'm able to to walk away with the win.

1284
00:59:25,234 --> 00:59:26,994
Speaker 15: There was questions you will serve with Mike Jerry fold

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00:59:26,994 --> 00:59:27,394
Speaker 15: by Chris.

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00:59:27,394 --> 00:59:33,754
Speaker 16: Ryan uh one lineup question and one strategy question. I

1287
00:59:33,754 --> 00:59:36,314
Speaker 16: guess I started with the lineup one. Why did you

1288
00:59:37,034 --> 00:59:39,593
Speaker 16: decide to or what went into deciding to switch the

1289
00:59:39,594 --> 00:59:42,754
Speaker 16: offensive line once again to start the game this week.

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Speaker 14: I thought that was the best thing to do for

1291
00:59:45,234 --> 00:59:49,194
Speaker 14: the team. Look, they have a good front. Ninety eight

1292
00:59:49,394 --> 00:59:52,394
Speaker 14: definitely is a problem. I thought that was just the

1293
00:59:52,394 --> 00:59:53,514
Speaker 14: best thing to do for offense.

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00:59:53,914 --> 00:59:56,234
Speaker 16: And then wondering why you chose the direction you did

1295
00:59:56,234 --> 01:00:01,034
Speaker 16: in overtime. Drake mentioned after the game that you know,

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Speaker 16: throw kind of died a little bit in the win there,

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Speaker 16: so clearly guys decided to kick into the into the wind.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so the win at the time, I would say

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Speaker 14: the win had changed. So the win had changed from

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Speaker 14: the beginning of the game to the.

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Speaker 3: End of the game. So that's what happened. Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Chris Ryan felled by Tom Current.

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Speaker 4: Brought the ball as well.

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Speaker 17: With you on Drake's perform. When you evaluate, you know

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Speaker 17: where things are at for him and see conness of

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Speaker 17: the promise, but also you know some of the growing

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Speaker 17: issues that occur with the rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But how do you how do you.

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Speaker 17: Evaluate that and when in making corrections, make sure that

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Speaker 17: you know he's in a good place moving forward.

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Speaker 14: I feel like Drake has been coached hard his entire

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Speaker 14: life and started in the household, you know, with this

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Speaker 14: with his brothers and parents and even in Carolina have

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Speaker 14: been coached hard, and we coach him hard here just

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Speaker 14: like we coach everyone else, you know, and saying that

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Speaker 14: I think you hit it on the head. There will

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Speaker 14: be growing pains. That's part of being a rookie regardless

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Speaker 14: of position.

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Speaker 17: And just where do you think he's he's that at

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Speaker 17: this point? Is this kind of what you what you

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Speaker 17: envisioned in in putting the plan in place, there would

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Speaker 17: be you know days, days like these where you see

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Speaker 17: positives and negatives.

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Speaker 14: Man, I think that's yeah. I think that's for all rookies,

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Speaker 14: that they're going to be ups and downs. And you know,

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Speaker 14: as we said earlier, we see and you just look

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Speaker 14: for progress for guys to get better every single week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks us.

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Speaker 18: Tom, Current holidays, Hope, rolling, Hey Rod, Hey, Tom, just

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Speaker 18: wanted to go a little deeper on that two point decision.

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Speaker 18: Obviously these calls are not one d one way to

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Speaker 18: the others. Fifty one forty nine a lot on the decision.

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Speaker 5: But what.

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Speaker 18: You mentioned hindsight. In hindsight, why do you look at

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Speaker 18: it and say, well, maybe we should have done the

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Speaker 18: other because we lost the game. It's that simple, because

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Speaker 18: we lost the game. You know, you go back and

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Speaker 18: you know earlier in the season we went for two, Uh,

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Speaker 18: we didn't get it. You get criticized, and then you

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Speaker 18: kick the field goal here and you get criticized.

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Speaker 3: So I'm always going to do what I think is

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Speaker 3: best for the team, and I think, you know, we

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Speaker 3: can talk.

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Speaker 14: About analytics and all those things, which we we do

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Speaker 14: use those things, but at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 14: there's also a flow to the game and as the

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Speaker 14: head coach, ultimately the decision and the consequence.

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Speaker 18: Lays Oni, did you feel as if there was a

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Speaker 18: fatigue factor your team having been on the field for

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Speaker 18: a while, because I was thinking the fatigue factor would

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Speaker 18: have been more on Tennessee at that point they had

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Speaker 18: to chase for twelve seconds on the touchdown play, and

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Speaker 18: did that way into it at all?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, there are multiple factors that went into it, and again,

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Speaker 14: you know, I just did what I thought was best

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Speaker 14: for the team.

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Speaker 15: Sophie Wellen followed it to Cole Rangam.

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Speaker 4: Hi sure d.

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Speaker 16: I was just curious.

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Speaker 19: I saw after Pop Douglas made that touch on the

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Speaker 19: sidelines it looked like kJ Osborne was so hyped up

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Speaker 19: for him. What's it like to have a player like

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Speaker 19: who you know, was a healthy scratch but was still

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Speaker 19: just as involved in the game.

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Speaker 3: Just what do you see from kJ on the sidelines

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Speaker 3: in those moments?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I grabbed him after the game and

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Speaker 14: told him how much I appreciated his energy and a

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Speaker 14: guy like that, it's all about the team. It's not

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Speaker 14: about him as an individual, and we need more people

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Speaker 14: like like him.

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Speaker 19: What went into the decision as well to have him

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Speaker 19: be a healthy scratch yesterday?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, look, I'm always gonna and I would say, you know, myself,

1375
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Speaker 14: along with the coaching staff, will always do and put

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Speaker 14: the players out.

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Speaker 3: There that we think are going to help us win

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Speaker 3: that game. Thank you so much, Thank so.

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Speaker 15: The coach, Randal, Thanks Rod.

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Speaker 20: On the offensive line, I know, and one who's moved

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Speaker 20: back and forth a bit, but if his best spot

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Speaker 20: is it right guard, would there be any consideration to

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Speaker 20: moving Leaden Robinson over to the left?

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Speaker 14: You know, I'm sure they'll you know, that's part of

1385
01:04:06,954 --> 01:04:10,153
Speaker 14: the conversations that we'll have today and tomorrow and again

1386
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Speaker 14: whatever that combination looks like. I'm not sure right now,

1387
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Speaker 14: but we'll always do what's best, uh best for the team.

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Speaker 21: Yoki Chim warning coach morning, just want to from from

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Speaker 21: your standpoint, if you see the same way like I

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Speaker 21: see it, because I feel like your.

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Speaker 3: Screenplays have not been very effective and what might have

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Speaker 3: been the problem, then.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I would say throughout the season, our

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Speaker 14: screens have definitely, uh not given us the yards that

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Speaker 14: we all hope it will give us. This is something

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Speaker 14: that we have to continue to work on. I would say,

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Speaker 14: you know, it's all about timing. Screens are all about

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Speaker 14: timing when the screen is called, you know, making it

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Speaker 14: look like something else. There's a lot of factors that

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Speaker 14: go into executing your screen. It's a hard play to

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Speaker 14: execute and we just have to continue to practice.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 15: Thanks back to Tom Curran in the corn.

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Speaker 5: Page.

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Speaker 3: RUD A quick question on.

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Speaker 22: May.

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Speaker 23: Obviously, with all the different things that you guys have

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Speaker 23: that you want to install it instilled this year, developing

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Speaker 23: and finding a quarterback's going to be very very high

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Speaker 23: on the list. Can you look at Drake right now?

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Speaker 23: And you had a question earlier about where is he

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Speaker 23: relative to where you thought, But can you look at

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Speaker 23: him right now and say, we really feel like a

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Speaker 23: kind of a special player here in terms of not

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Speaker 23: just his on field performance, but his toughness and resilience

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Speaker 23: and the way that he carries himself too. I mean,

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Speaker 23: after the lost yesterday, I thought he was he wasn't.

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Speaker 23: He was very authentic in everything that he said and

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01:05:57,354 --> 01:06:00,113
Speaker 23: seemed to feel about losing despite playing well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know his Let's start with just his personality.

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Speaker 14: I think I've said this before, just his even ko

1422
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Speaker 14: approach to everything and saying that, you know, I'm excited.

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Speaker 14: I'm excited for him, I'm excited for a lot of

1424
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Speaker 14: our young guys. And I would say just as a group,

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Speaker 14: those guys have to just continue to, you know, go

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Speaker 14: through the ups and downs together and hopefully it builds

1427
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Speaker 14: resilience amongst the team.

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Speaker 3: But in regards to Drake, I'm excited to see his

1429
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Speaker 3: continue to grow.

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Speaker 15: There's two final questions to Cody Randall and Mike Jarrett.

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Speaker 3: Drew out about about a month ago.

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Speaker 20: I think you said he felt better about the chances

1433
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Speaker 20: of Christian Barmore playing this season. Just wondering has he

1434
01:06:42,834 --> 01:06:44,914
Speaker 20: cleared any of those extra hurdles you were talking about

1435
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Speaker 20: back then, and do you think there's any chance he

1436
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Speaker 20: could start practicing relatively soon?

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Speaker 3: We're getting close? Thank you, thanks.

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Speaker 15: And last question, Mike.

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Speaker 16: Ure, I know there's a million things to go into it,

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Speaker 16: but it's been three straight weeks now with the run

1441
01:07:01,274 --> 01:07:03,834
Speaker 16: game with the running backs has not been able to

1442
01:07:03,914 --> 01:07:06,754
Speaker 16: get moving. What what what commonalities are you seeing in

1443
01:07:07,594 --> 01:07:08,874
Speaker 16: the inability to run?

1444
01:07:08,914 --> 01:07:13,034
Speaker 3: The football? Starts up front, appreciating.

1445
01:07:12,594 --> 01:07:20,154
Speaker 4: Us and now great moments in history?

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Speaker 24: All right, so we're going to go negative concerns. This

1447
01:07:22,594 --> 01:07:26,914
Speaker 24: is basically my wheelhouse. Okay, So I would worry that

1448
01:07:28,314 --> 01:07:30,554
Speaker 24: how they played offensively is how they want.

1449
01:07:30,394 --> 01:07:34,674
Speaker 4: To play, right, But you're worried about it? Yeah, how

1450
01:07:34,714 --> 01:07:37,034
Speaker 4: they played offensively in the game is not an aberration.

1451
01:07:37,274 --> 01:07:38,394
Speaker 4: That's how they want to go to.

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Speaker 25: Helen, that they want to be din't be worried about it. No,

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Speaker 25: I'm that's something that I that I don't think a

1454
01:07:43,154 --> 01:07:44,274
Speaker 25: lot of people are worried about.

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Speaker 6: But I'm talking about you. But you are worried about it.

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Speaker 25: So the question was so that I think he just

1457
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Speaker 25: put me in. I thought we were doing picks. All

1458
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Speaker 25: of a sudden, he put me in the grinder. The

1459
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Speaker 25: question was, what is something that you're worried about that

1460
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Speaker 25: other people aren't, No, that you shouldn't be No, he

1461
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Speaker 25: asked for both.

1462
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Speaker 4: Helen asked, now, I know, but.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't what are you worried about that other people?

1464
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Speaker 6: It's like, what are you worried about that you shouldn't

1465
01:08:09,394 --> 01:08:10,074
Speaker 6: be worried about?

1466
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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, this is something that other people aren't worried about.

1467
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Speaker 6: But I am bringing other people. I want to know

1468
01:08:15,434 --> 01:08:16,153
Speaker 6: your opinion.

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Speaker 4: I just told you, Okay, how they play offense is

1470
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Speaker 4: something that I would I would be worried about that.

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Speaker 4: Fans aren't they think that Sunday was great?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 15: That?

1474
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Speaker 6: That was the second part of I don't know if

1475
01:08:27,514 --> 01:08:28,834
Speaker 6: that's the spirit of the question.

1476
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Speaker 2: That's another great moment.

1477
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Speaker 6: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eighty five to

1478
01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:38,914
Speaker 6: five pass five hundred is the TPX Hutline podcast at

1479
01:08:39,034 --> 01:08:43,434
Speaker 6: Patriots dot Com. Is the email address. Jacobin Rochester writes

1480
01:08:43,514 --> 01:08:47,074
Speaker 6: in I honestly wish people would shut up. He says

1481
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Speaker 6: in all caps, three exclamation zippets. It's about Drake May

1482
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Speaker 6: running so much. Everyone is constantly freaking out that he's

1483
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Speaker 6: gonna get hurt. Yes, he's had a concussion, but he's

1484
01:08:56,794 --> 01:08:59,994
Speaker 6: literally the entire offense right now. He can't throw and

1485
01:09:00,114 --> 01:09:02,994
Speaker 6: catch the ball, although he was responsible for three hundred

1486
01:09:03,074 --> 01:09:05,754
Speaker 6: yards out of three hundred and fifteen the offense had

1487
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Speaker 6: in the game. How often have quarterbacks who also run

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Speaker 6: like Rogers, Murray, Allen Hurtz, Purdy, Daniel Jones, Mahomes Russell, Wilson, Fields, Herbert, etc.

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Speaker 6: Been hurt in missignificant time. If you try to change

1490
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Speaker 6: the way he plays, he won't have the magic he

1491
01:09:21,234 --> 01:09:24,274
Speaker 6: currently has. What the team needs is things around him

1492
01:09:24,314 --> 01:09:26,634
Speaker 6: so he doesn't need to care the team. I'm sure

1493
01:09:26,714 --> 01:09:29,114
Speaker 6: his back is sore this week from carrying the team.

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Speaker 7: I mean that last point is exactly what I said.

1495
01:09:31,634 --> 01:09:33,914
Speaker 7: I said. The hope is is that you cut down

1496
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Speaker 7: on some of those scrambles because there's open receivers for

1497
01:09:36,354 --> 01:09:38,914
Speaker 7: him to throw the ball to. I don't have as

1498
01:09:38,994 --> 01:09:41,914
Speaker 7: much problem with him running. I either like I'm kind

1499
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Speaker 7: of with the email, or like I don't mind it,

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Speaker 7: but I like that kind of quarterback like Lamar Josh Allen,

1501
01:09:47,834 --> 01:09:50,314
Speaker 7: Like those are the guys I enjoy watching. If you're

1502
01:09:50,474 --> 01:09:53,354
Speaker 7: used to watching a different kind of quarterback, then that's

1503
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Speaker 7: where we get into this argument.

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Speaker 4: I would just argue not necessarily against the injury. The

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Speaker 4: injury is part of it. I brought up the fact

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Speaker 4: that he's been banged up but already as a result

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Speaker 4: of the constant running. But it's not this fear of

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Speaker 4: him getting hurt. I'm not I don't watch games, you

1509
01:10:10,274 --> 01:10:13,634
Speaker 4: know through my fingers. Oh no, I know Drake. I'm

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Speaker 4: not worried about him getting hurt all the time. It's

1511
01:10:16,954 --> 01:10:20,594
Speaker 4: not productive. They don't move the ball and they don't score.

1512
01:10:21,274 --> 01:10:23,634
Speaker 4: Those are the things that I'm looking for. Lamar Jackson

1513
01:10:23,754 --> 01:10:26,274
Speaker 4: and Josh Allen I have two of the most productive

1514
01:10:26,274 --> 01:10:29,434
Speaker 4: offenses of the last five six years in football, all

1515
01:10:29,514 --> 01:10:32,234
Speaker 4: of football. So they run and they put points on

1516
01:10:32,354 --> 01:10:34,954
Speaker 4: the board. The Patriots run and they had a score

1517
01:10:35,034 --> 01:10:38,794
Speaker 4: with no time left to get to seventeen. Like now.

1518
01:10:38,874 --> 01:10:39,474
Speaker 6: Part of that is.

1519
01:10:39,474 --> 01:10:42,514
Speaker 4: Because he has no help. I get it. But I

1520
01:10:42,554 --> 01:10:46,154
Speaker 4: would like to see some more conventional offense. I would

1521
01:10:46,194 --> 01:10:50,034
Speaker 4: like to see fourth and five over the middle to

1522
01:10:50,874 --> 01:10:52,474
Speaker 4: or if I might have been fourth and two over

1523
01:10:52,514 --> 01:10:56,314
Speaker 4: the middle to Hunter Henry. Conventional offense looked awesome down

1524
01:10:56,354 --> 01:10:58,634
Speaker 4: to the five yard line. There was a play earlier

1525
01:10:58,714 --> 01:11:01,154
Speaker 4: in that drive to Hunter Henry, the over route that

1526
01:11:01,474 --> 01:11:03,874
Speaker 4: to Mario Douglas caught with one hand on the sideline.

1527
01:11:04,274 --> 01:11:06,674
Speaker 4: Those are the plays that get me jacked up. Those

1528
01:11:06,714 --> 01:11:09,834
Speaker 4: are sustainable. I can do that every week. Once I

1529
01:11:09,954 --> 01:11:12,274
Speaker 4: get the receivers that I want and the pass protection

1530
01:11:12,394 --> 01:11:16,074
Speaker 4: that I want, Drake may can make those plays that

1531
01:11:16,354 --> 01:11:19,754
Speaker 4: I can do every week. You can't win unless you

1532
01:11:19,834 --> 01:11:25,034
Speaker 4: are unbelievably gifted, like those two guys just running around

1533
01:11:25,274 --> 01:11:28,354
Speaker 4: mostly scrambling every every week for ninety five yards.

1534
01:11:28,514 --> 01:11:30,554
Speaker 5: He's got to learn, that's got you know, he's got

1535
01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,834
Speaker 5: to identify things and understand when he's going to have

1536
01:11:32,914 --> 01:11:34,674
Speaker 5: those opportunities. And I mean, I'm with you, guys, I

1537
01:11:34,954 --> 01:11:37,314
Speaker 5: just I love having the feeling of you hate it.

1538
01:11:37,394 --> 01:11:39,394
Speaker 5: On the defensive side of the ball, it's third and eight,

1539
01:11:39,834 --> 01:11:42,234
Speaker 5: everybody's covered, and that's when he slips out. That's what

1540
01:11:42,354 --> 01:11:44,994
Speaker 5: I keep the chains moving, get up fighting.

1541
01:11:45,034 --> 01:11:46,914
Speaker 4: That's when I said to Evan and the Jets game,

1542
01:11:47,074 --> 01:11:48,954
Speaker 4: I don't even know what to do with myself. I

1543
01:11:49,114 --> 01:11:50,434
Speaker 4: never had one touchdown.

1544
01:11:50,594 --> 01:11:53,514
Speaker 7: Yeah, those are the exact plays, but there are a

1545
01:11:53,594 --> 01:11:56,354
Speaker 7: lot of the plays that Paul's you know, Patriot plays

1546
01:11:56,714 --> 01:11:58,874
Speaker 7: that he's talking about. I mean, he made a great

1547
01:11:58,994 --> 01:12:02,154
Speaker 7: throw to to Pop on a little three quarters release

1548
01:12:02,274 --> 01:12:05,914
Speaker 7: on and out to the sideline that was like Bray

1549
01:12:06,034 --> 01:12:09,114
Speaker 7: am mondola esque right like just like right on the money,

1550
01:12:09,674 --> 01:12:11,994
Speaker 7: read it out of empty like perfectly. Like he makes

1551
01:12:12,034 --> 01:12:14,434
Speaker 7: those types of throws. A couple to Henry against blitzes

1552
01:12:14,914 --> 01:12:16,594
Speaker 7: that he got the ball out right at the top

1553
01:12:16,634 --> 01:12:18,914
Speaker 7: of the drop and knew exactly where to go with it.

1554
01:12:19,074 --> 01:12:21,074
Speaker 7: So I'm with Paul, like, those are the things that

1555
01:12:21,234 --> 01:12:23,714
Speaker 7: you should be more excited about than him running around.

1556
01:12:23,794 --> 01:12:26,554
Speaker 4: But it doesn't hurt that he two hundred yards. That's

1557
01:12:26,634 --> 01:12:29,073
Speaker 4: not great. Like they have one of the least productive

1558
01:12:29,074 --> 01:12:32,514
Speaker 4: passing games in football, If not still thirty two, it

1559
01:12:32,674 --> 01:12:35,234
Speaker 4: was thirty two recently, I don't know if it still is. Yeah,

1560
01:12:35,514 --> 01:12:38,954
Speaker 4: Like that's you can't score it if you can't throw

1561
01:12:39,034 --> 01:12:43,074
Speaker 4: it with production. Now, I understand they lack production because

1562
01:12:43,114 --> 01:12:45,594
Speaker 4: the offensive line doesn't give them any protection, because the

1563
01:12:45,674 --> 01:12:49,234
Speaker 4: receivers aren't getting any separation. I understand all the reasons,

1564
01:12:49,314 --> 01:12:51,714
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to get overly excited because he

1565
01:12:51,794 --> 01:12:54,514
Speaker 4: rushes for ninety five yards because that's not really going

1566
01:12:54,554 --> 01:12:56,434
Speaker 4: to lead to a lot of points and it hasn't.

1567
01:12:57,514 --> 01:13:00,674
Speaker 6: Let's go to Kai in Hawaii. What's up, Kai?

1568
01:13:02,274 --> 01:13:03,434
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, can you hear me? Okay?

1569
01:13:03,634 --> 01:13:03,834
Speaker 6: Yep?

1570
01:13:05,754 --> 01:13:07,394
Speaker 26: So I just want to talk about the decision to

1571
01:13:07,434 --> 01:13:09,234
Speaker 26: go for two at the end of regulation in the

1572
01:13:09,714 --> 01:13:12,074
Speaker 26: Patriots game. I didn't have any problem with it. I mean,

1573
01:13:12,314 --> 01:13:15,474
Speaker 26: I think Drew's totally right that everyone's been second guess

1574
01:13:15,554 --> 01:13:18,914
Speaker 26: just because the way the game turned out. But in

1575
01:13:19,114 --> 01:13:21,114
Speaker 26: the game last night, on the other hand, and this

1576
01:13:21,194 --> 01:13:22,554
Speaker 26: is where I think, like you really have to throw

1577
01:13:22,554 --> 01:13:26,714
Speaker 26: analytics out the window. In the Bucks Chief game, the

1578
01:13:26,834 --> 01:13:28,634
Speaker 26: decision not to go for two by the Bucks at

1579
01:13:28,674 --> 01:13:30,594
Speaker 26: the end or towards the regulation, I think it was

1580
01:13:30,634 --> 01:13:33,674
Speaker 26: like thirty seconds left. I thought that was insane. Like

1581
01:13:33,914 --> 01:13:35,714
Speaker 26: with the way the Chiefs have been playing this year,

1582
01:13:36,554 --> 01:13:38,114
Speaker 26: with the way that they always find a way to

1583
01:13:38,154 --> 01:13:40,954
Speaker 26: pull these games out, to not take the opportunity.

1584
01:13:40,474 --> 01:13:43,554
Speaker 4: To just end the game, then it wouldn't have ended, right,

1585
01:13:43,634 --> 01:13:45,794
Speaker 4: they still get the ball back. There's a big difference

1586
01:13:45,834 --> 01:13:48,034
Speaker 4: between that one and the Patriots. They they wouldn't have

1587
01:13:48,114 --> 01:13:51,394
Speaker 4: ended the game by getting a two point conversion. There

1588
01:13:51,434 --> 01:13:52,874
Speaker 4: was time for Kansas City to get out.

1589
01:13:52,754 --> 01:13:55,154
Speaker 26: To me twenty seven seconds. I think the Chiefs still

1590
01:13:55,194 --> 01:13:56,674
Speaker 26: had all their timeouts they did.

1591
01:13:56,794 --> 01:13:59,394
Speaker 4: Like I see that they had all three timeouts. Home's time.

1592
01:14:00,514 --> 01:14:04,114
Speaker 7: The Chiefs very famously scored in twelve seconds a couple

1593
01:14:04,154 --> 01:14:04,874
Speaker 7: of years thirteen.

1594
01:14:04,954 --> 01:14:05,434
Speaker 4: But I get it.

1595
01:14:07,154 --> 01:14:09,354
Speaker 26: But at the same time, don't you think going for

1596
01:14:09,434 --> 01:14:12,194
Speaker 26: two there would have given them a better shot to win? Nope, bang,

1597
01:14:12,994 --> 01:14:14,034
Speaker 26: potentially you don't.

1598
01:14:14,354 --> 01:14:16,954
Speaker 4: I don't I think that they would have increased the

1599
01:14:17,074 --> 01:14:19,114
Speaker 4: chances of Kansas City kicking a field goal to win

1600
01:14:19,194 --> 01:14:22,514
Speaker 4: the game because there would have been urgency and they

1601
01:14:22,554 --> 01:14:24,714
Speaker 4: would have gone for it on fourth down. It's funny.

1602
01:14:24,714 --> 01:14:26,874
Speaker 4: We just had good talk about this during the break,

1603
01:14:28,354 --> 01:14:31,594
Speaker 4: you know. I think with it the bucks ki really

1604
01:14:31,634 --> 01:14:35,954
Speaker 4: made a mistake and Troy Aikman was all over it live.

1605
01:14:36,194 --> 01:14:38,714
Speaker 4: That why they call time out with thirty three seconds

1606
01:14:38,754 --> 01:14:41,234
Speaker 4: left at the one yard line. It made no sense.

1607
01:14:41,754 --> 01:14:43,634
Speaker 4: Now if they were able to sort of score in

1608
01:14:43,674 --> 01:14:45,954
Speaker 4: the last ten seconds. Now I'm with you, go for

1609
01:14:46,034 --> 01:14:48,794
Speaker 4: two and stick the you know, stick the steak in

1610
01:14:48,874 --> 01:14:51,594
Speaker 4: the heart, and now Mahomes has no chance to beat you.

1611
01:14:52,034 --> 01:14:55,034
Speaker 4: I think that with whatever it was, I think it

1612
01:14:55,154 --> 01:14:57,834
Speaker 4: was like twenty twenty three seconds or something like that,

1613
01:14:58,754 --> 01:15:00,794
Speaker 4: I think that that's ample time for Mahomes to go

1614
01:15:00,834 --> 01:15:03,154
Speaker 4: down and kick a field goal. And I think that

1615
01:15:03,634 --> 01:15:05,754
Speaker 4: in a tie game, he's less likely to do that

1616
01:15:05,874 --> 01:15:08,354
Speaker 4: because he's not going to take any chances. He's going

1617
01:15:08,434 --> 01:15:09,994
Speaker 4: to play it safe and make sure the worst that

1618
01:15:10,074 --> 01:15:11,874
Speaker 4: happens here is we're going to get to overtime.

1619
01:15:11,914 --> 01:15:12,874
Speaker 6: I can't lose the game.

1620
01:15:13,354 --> 01:15:15,474
Speaker 4: And I mean, as it was, they punted on fourth

1621
01:15:15,514 --> 01:15:17,354
Speaker 4: and one or two at the end, they would have

1622
01:15:17,394 --> 01:15:17,794
Speaker 4: gone for that.

1623
01:15:17,994 --> 01:15:21,274
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right there. But as soon

1624
01:15:21,314 --> 01:15:24,074
Speaker 26: as the did you see on the on the coin flip?

1625
01:15:24,154 --> 01:15:27,234
Speaker 26: It looks like as soon as Baker lost, he was

1626
01:15:27,314 --> 01:15:29,314
Speaker 26: like like, sorry, sorry, you're.

1627
01:15:29,154 --> 01:15:31,594
Speaker 4: Gonna drop me now? Oh geez, all right, thanks, ky,

1628
01:15:32,234 --> 01:15:34,954
Speaker 4: I missed that he dropped. He dropped a bomb.

1629
01:15:35,154 --> 01:15:39,154
Speaker 6: When when when Baker was like, oh did he really? Yeah,

1630
01:15:39,154 --> 01:15:40,674
Speaker 6: I didn't watch the game.

1631
01:15:40,794 --> 01:15:43,073
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was watching people.

1632
01:15:42,834 --> 01:15:43,434
Speaker 6: Don't the highlights?

1633
01:15:43,514 --> 01:15:47,274
Speaker 4: Hear me like, yeah, yeah, NFL overtime.

1634
01:15:47,554 --> 01:15:51,234
Speaker 6: Manny's a new Bedford. What's up? Manny? Hello?

1635
01:15:51,474 --> 01:15:51,954
Speaker 8: Can you guys?

1636
01:15:51,994 --> 01:15:52,234
Speaker 6: Hear me?

1637
01:15:52,434 --> 01:15:52,634
Speaker 5: Yes?

1638
01:15:54,714 --> 01:15:56,314
Speaker 22: So question, I want to see what you guys think

1639
01:15:56,314 --> 01:15:58,834
Speaker 22: about this, But do you guys think there's that there

1640
01:15:58,874 --> 01:16:02,994
Speaker 22: could be a potential that Drake May leaves after five years.

1641
01:16:02,914 --> 01:16:05,114
Speaker 11: Or four or five years, because.

1642
01:16:04,834 --> 01:16:07,514
Speaker 22: I look at this organization now and I feel like

1643
01:16:07,554 --> 01:16:11,074
Speaker 22: there's so many gaps, whether it comes to the coaching front,

1644
01:16:11,154 --> 01:16:14,834
Speaker 22: off is inability to draft the players you have on

1645
01:16:14,914 --> 01:16:17,594
Speaker 22: a roster, and if I'm Drake May after four or

1646
01:16:17,634 --> 01:16:20,194
Speaker 22: five years, I'm hey, you guys had five years to

1647
01:16:20,234 --> 01:16:22,514
Speaker 22: figure it out, Like you guys still haven't figured it out.

1648
01:16:22,674 --> 01:16:24,994
Speaker 6: Listen, Manny, if they haven't figured out four or five years,

1649
01:16:25,034 --> 01:16:26,074
Speaker 6: I'm going to be with him.

1650
01:16:26,154 --> 01:16:28,634
Speaker 4: So I haven't I have advice. I have advice for

1651
01:16:29,034 --> 01:16:34,594
Speaker 4: Manny two to six Monday through Friday on the Sports Hub,

1652
01:16:35,194 --> 01:16:36,794
Speaker 4: Mike Felger, Tony Maserati.

1653
01:16:37,434 --> 01:16:40,474
Speaker 6: That's your show, right, that's the call for that show

1654
01:16:40,714 --> 01:16:42,874
Speaker 6: about I'm thinking about the Bear, So he's thinking about

1655
01:16:42,874 --> 01:16:43,314
Speaker 6: four to five.

1656
01:16:43,354 --> 01:16:44,834
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna be able to extend him.

1657
01:16:44,834 --> 01:16:45,474
Speaker 4: So what's the use?

1658
01:16:45,554 --> 01:16:45,794
Speaker 6: Thanks?

1659
01:16:46,114 --> 01:16:49,314
Speaker 7: No, Well, train around, man, you know.

1660
01:16:49,394 --> 01:16:51,914
Speaker 6: I get it. I mean what he's saying, if they

1661
01:16:51,954 --> 01:16:54,354
Speaker 6: haven't done anything to improve this team after four to

1662
01:16:54,434 --> 01:16:58,594
Speaker 6: five years. If I'm Drake May's agent, I'm telling him

1663
01:16:58,714 --> 01:17:01,594
Speaker 6: you have to leave. I mean, but tamer Lawrence to that,

1664
01:17:02,074 --> 01:17:05,234
Speaker 6: that's really pessimistic. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1665
01:17:05,954 --> 01:17:08,314
Speaker 7: So you pay him sixty million dollars a year, he'll

1666
01:17:08,354 --> 01:17:08,994
Speaker 7: probably stay.

1667
01:17:10,554 --> 01:17:13,394
Speaker 6: Ron and Conway New Hampshire. As they listened to the show,

1668
01:17:13,994 --> 01:17:16,834
Speaker 6: I'm actually upset that they lost, but excited at the

1669
01:17:16,874 --> 01:17:20,234
Speaker 6: same time. My point is simply this. I remember back

1670
01:17:20,314 --> 01:17:22,354
Speaker 6: in the spring when all of you were wanting me

1671
01:17:22,514 --> 01:17:25,594
Speaker 6: to start the season. Also, you all had said that

1672
01:17:25,914 --> 01:17:28,554
Speaker 6: with May, mistakes would come and as fans, we had

1673
01:17:28,634 --> 01:17:32,114
Speaker 6: to be patient even though the record sucks. Now May

1674
01:17:32,234 --> 01:17:34,754
Speaker 6: is legit and one of the very few playmakers on

1675
01:17:34,834 --> 01:17:37,754
Speaker 6: the team that and he just so happens to be

1676
01:17:37,874 --> 01:17:41,634
Speaker 6: our starting quarterback. My only question is why does the

1677
01:17:41,714 --> 01:17:47,314
Speaker 6: offensive offense constantly have to be shuffled? I think offensive

1678
01:17:47,354 --> 01:17:50,594
Speaker 6: line constantly have to be shuffled with the offense being

1679
01:17:50,674 --> 01:17:52,834
Speaker 6: so young. Is that just growing pains. I'd love to

1680
01:17:52,914 --> 01:17:53,554
Speaker 6: hear your thoughts.

1681
01:17:54,234 --> 01:17:57,714
Speaker 7: I think it might continue, honestly, with the shuffling as

1682
01:17:57,794 --> 01:18:00,794
Speaker 7: much as you can make the case for continuity, Like

1683
01:18:00,874 --> 01:18:04,994
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's play is just going in the dump. So

1684
01:18:05,354 --> 01:18:09,114
Speaker 7: I always think that with Robinson was so maybe cold

1685
01:18:09,114 --> 01:18:11,114
Speaker 7: strange factors in here by the end of the year

1686
01:18:11,154 --> 01:18:13,634
Speaker 7: or two, like those are three young guards that you

1687
01:18:13,794 --> 01:18:18,634
Speaker 7: drafted relatively early, and this is this like fringe NFL

1688
01:18:18,714 --> 01:18:21,914
Speaker 7: player in Michael Jordan, Like, it's probably gonna be time

1689
01:18:21,994 --> 01:18:24,434
Speaker 7: at some point to turn it over left guard to

1690
01:18:24,514 --> 01:18:26,794
Speaker 7: one of those guys. That might even be as as

1691
01:18:26,834 --> 01:18:29,994
Speaker 7: soon as next week. So I think the shuffling's gonna continue.

1692
01:18:30,194 --> 01:18:33,154
Speaker 5: Just go back to Leyden Robinson and Kayden Wallace. I

1693
01:18:33,274 --> 01:18:35,514
Speaker 5: just I'd love to feel like you get something out

1694
01:18:35,554 --> 01:18:37,434
Speaker 5: of those guys, and right now, my confidence level in

1695
01:18:37,514 --> 01:18:41,114
Speaker 5: either one of those emerging as a penciled in starter

1696
01:18:41,234 --> 01:18:44,234
Speaker 5: for twenty twenty five is non existent. So yeah, I

1697
01:18:44,314 --> 01:18:45,954
Speaker 5: mean they have they have some games left those and

1698
01:18:45,994 --> 01:18:48,314
Speaker 5: I think Robinson could get another you know, could get

1699
01:18:48,314 --> 01:18:50,554
Speaker 5: another shot. But at a certain point, some of these

1700
01:18:50,554 --> 01:18:52,034
Speaker 5: guys start have to play better.

1701
01:18:52,154 --> 01:18:53,954
Speaker 4: And it's part of that whole thing too, you know,

1702
01:18:54,154 --> 01:18:57,394
Speaker 4: like you bring in Ben Brown for someone else's practice

1703
01:18:57,394 --> 01:19:00,234
Speaker 4: squad and he plays and you're like, oh, wow, it

1704
01:19:00,754 --> 01:19:04,274
Speaker 4: wasn't that bad, Like maybe they get something here, and

1705
01:19:04,394 --> 01:19:07,714
Speaker 4: then he plays four games in a row and you know,

1706
01:19:08,114 --> 01:19:11,914
Speaker 4: Quinn Williams dominates him and Tovandre Sweat dominates them, and

1707
01:19:11,954 --> 01:19:15,474
Speaker 4: that's I'm not criticizing Ben Brown. Those guys should dominate

1708
01:19:15,514 --> 01:19:19,234
Speaker 4: Ben Brown. But now it's like, oh, it's reality, Michael Jordan,

1709
01:19:19,354 --> 01:19:21,714
Speaker 4: you know, practice squad guy, we bring them up. Wow,

1710
01:19:21,994 --> 01:19:24,194
Speaker 4: he's been like the best lineman in the first couple

1711
01:19:24,274 --> 01:19:26,754
Speaker 4: of games. And then he keeps playing and you sort

1712
01:19:26,794 --> 01:19:28,874
Speaker 4: of watch him a little bit more, and this was

1713
01:19:28,914 --> 01:19:29,994
Speaker 4: a tough game for him. I think.

1714
01:19:30,154 --> 01:19:33,194
Speaker 7: Yeah, five quarterback pressure has allowed a couple of run stuffs.

1715
01:19:33,234 --> 01:19:37,514
Speaker 7: I mean, he just he's struggling, and Ben Brown was

1716
01:19:38,114 --> 01:19:38,754
Speaker 7: was bad too.

1717
01:19:39,314 --> 01:19:42,354
Speaker 4: Like, you can get like guys that can play, like

1718
01:19:42,514 --> 01:19:44,794
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan can you know he can, he can play,

1719
01:19:45,154 --> 01:19:47,554
Speaker 4: but like you need to probably be better than that,

1720
01:19:48,514 --> 01:19:52,954
Speaker 4: and you you would hope that between strange So and Robinson,

1721
01:19:53,114 --> 01:19:56,274
Speaker 4: one of those guys is significantly better than Michael Jordan

1722
01:19:56,754 --> 01:19:57,994
Speaker 4: certainly has more upside.

1723
01:19:58,274 --> 01:20:01,034
Speaker 5: Yeah, save us cold Strange here we are.

1724
01:20:01,274 --> 01:20:05,474
Speaker 7: It's crazy, but they kind of need him in a way.

1725
01:20:05,594 --> 01:20:06,434
Speaker 4: Now he's not center.

1726
01:20:06,514 --> 01:20:09,074
Speaker 7: Maybe is a guard and it's probably crazy to put

1727
01:20:09,154 --> 01:20:11,194
Speaker 7: him in at center midway through the season like this,

1728
01:20:11,434 --> 01:20:14,074
Speaker 7: But like left guard, I mean, he's probably better left

1729
01:20:14,074 --> 01:20:15,394
Speaker 7: guard than Michael Jordan.

1730
01:20:15,194 --> 01:20:17,914
Speaker 4: Is Wonderful'll see him on the practice field soon.

1731
01:20:19,234 --> 01:20:20,394
Speaker 6: Well well, no tomorrow.

1732
01:20:22,194 --> 01:20:22,594
Speaker 3: I don't.

1733
01:20:24,314 --> 01:20:26,314
Speaker 4: Interview at half time this weekend, so I guess no,

1734
01:20:26,434 --> 01:20:28,634
Speaker 4: he can be He can return to practice anytime.

1735
01:20:28,714 --> 01:20:33,034
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah uh. Podcasts at Patriots dot com is

1736
01:20:33,034 --> 01:20:35,874
Speaker 6: the email address, and just a reminder if you want

1737
01:20:35,914 --> 01:20:40,354
Speaker 6: to get the weekly PU newsletter via email, all you

1738
01:20:40,474 --> 01:20:44,274
Speaker 6: have to do is email Podcasts at Patriots dot com.

1739
01:20:44,394 --> 01:20:47,994
Speaker 6: Everybody who emails will automatically be put into the list

1740
01:20:48,474 --> 01:20:50,914
Speaker 6: to receive the newsletter. You can always opt out once

1741
01:20:50,954 --> 01:20:52,274
Speaker 6: you get it if you don't like it, but I

1742
01:20:52,354 --> 01:20:55,194
Speaker 6: think you will. Uh So, even if you don't have

1743
01:20:55,274 --> 01:20:59,514
Speaker 6: a question to the show, anything to say, just simply

1744
01:20:59,634 --> 01:21:02,674
Speaker 6: email podcasts at Patriots dot com and we'll get your

1745
01:21:02,754 --> 01:21:04,113
Speaker 6: name signed up for the newsletter.

1746
01:21:04,194 --> 01:21:06,074
Speaker 4: And I think you will like it too, because there's

1747
01:21:06,114 --> 01:21:09,274
Speaker 4: a lot of really unnecessary shots at me. Yeah, I mean,

1748
01:21:09,314 --> 01:21:11,474
Speaker 4: I think it's not totally unnecessary, and I think and

1749
01:21:11,554 --> 01:21:13,794
Speaker 4: I think people will enjoy it. They just, you know,

1750
01:21:13,954 --> 01:21:17,954
Speaker 4: the the reporter that puts together the newsletter shotty work.

1751
01:21:18,114 --> 01:21:22,994
Speaker 4: Now just terrible report, just terrible reporting, taking all kinds

1752
01:21:23,034 --> 01:21:26,314
Speaker 4: of hearsay and and un truths. It's supposed to have

1753
01:21:26,434 --> 01:21:28,034
Speaker 4: put them out there, putting them.

1754
01:21:27,954 --> 01:21:30,834
Speaker 7: Out where's this person's journalistic integer.

1755
01:21:30,554 --> 01:21:32,234
Speaker 4: Now there's just none, Alexandra.

1756
01:21:34,114 --> 01:21:36,834
Speaker 6: So I didn't want to man basketball to this kid,

1757
01:21:36,954 --> 01:21:40,074
Speaker 6: but yeah, just email podcasts at Patris dot com and

1758
01:21:40,474 --> 01:21:42,073
Speaker 6: you will start getting the newsletter.

1759
01:21:42,194 --> 01:21:43,914
Speaker 4: Do we want some trade deadline?

1760
01:21:46,274 --> 01:21:50,073
Speaker 7: Marshawn Lattimore goes to uh from New Orleans to Washington

1761
01:21:50,234 --> 01:21:51,874
Speaker 7: for quite a package.

1762
01:21:51,954 --> 01:21:52,114
Speaker 4: Here.

1763
01:21:52,954 --> 01:21:55,394
Speaker 7: The New Orleans is getting a third round pick and

1764
01:21:55,514 --> 01:21:58,554
Speaker 7: a fourth round pick and a sixth round pick for

1765
01:21:58,714 --> 01:22:01,074
Speaker 7: Marshawn Lattimore and a fifth round pick, so one of

1766
01:22:01,114 --> 01:22:01,914
Speaker 7: those is kind of like, you know.

1767
01:22:01,954 --> 01:22:03,554
Speaker 4: The sixth for the fifth is kind of like two

1768
01:22:03,634 --> 01:22:04,754
Speaker 4: picks pick swap.

1769
01:22:04,994 --> 01:22:10,474
Speaker 7: And Mike Williams dealt from the Jets to the Pittsburgh

1770
01:22:10,514 --> 01:22:12,994
Speaker 7: Steelers for a fifth round pick.

1771
01:22:13,154 --> 01:22:15,434
Speaker 4: So that's like the sixth receiver of that move, right,

1772
01:22:15,994 --> 01:22:17,794
Speaker 4: So quite a bit of action.

1773
01:22:18,034 --> 01:22:23,634
Speaker 6: Roger, Roger goodallaslin, I need you to make trays at

1774
01:22:23,674 --> 01:22:25,994
Speaker 6: the trade deadline so that we can create another event.

1775
01:22:26,474 --> 01:22:27,914
Speaker 7: Correct, good point.

1776
01:22:28,034 --> 01:22:30,554
Speaker 4: I like, I stand by my my point. I think

1777
01:22:30,594 --> 01:22:32,754
Speaker 4: the NFL trade deadline over the last five or six

1778
01:22:32,874 --> 01:22:36,754
Speaker 4: years has gotten bid up. It's gotten bigger. Okay, all right,

1779
01:22:36,874 --> 01:22:39,234
Speaker 4: I mean some of those masha Animore is that's a

1780
01:22:39,274 --> 01:22:40,234
Speaker 4: significant acquisition.

1781
01:22:40,754 --> 01:22:45,114
Speaker 6: Mentioned also Dennis Allen getting fired from the Saints. I can, yeah,

1782
01:22:46,754 --> 01:22:47,394
Speaker 6: I can, I can.

1783
01:22:47,474 --> 01:22:49,674
Speaker 5: I hear what the cap is crap people laighing on

1784
01:22:49,994 --> 01:22:51,674
Speaker 5: the New Orleans of it all, and I saw, I

1785
01:22:51,794 --> 01:22:52,194
Speaker 5: just saw.

1786
01:22:53,034 --> 01:22:56,194
Speaker 4: I'm a cap is crap. But you can't be sixty

1787
01:22:56,274 --> 01:23:00,274
Speaker 4: whatever million over it, like you can't. You can't buy

1788
01:23:00,314 --> 01:23:03,794
Speaker 4: at it. So I'm not going to be that stubborn

1789
01:23:03,834 --> 01:23:04,154
Speaker 4: about it.

1790
01:23:04,314 --> 01:23:06,114
Speaker 7: I kind of feel like the Saints have, Like I

1791
01:23:06,274 --> 01:23:08,474
Speaker 7: agree with you for the most part, but like they

1792
01:23:08,794 --> 01:23:10,994
Speaker 7: their way, the way they manage the cap is kind

1793
01:23:11,034 --> 01:23:13,074
Speaker 7: of cool. It's kind of like they have a line

1794
01:23:13,114 --> 01:23:16,114
Speaker 7: of credit and they realize that it's never gonna come due.

1795
01:23:16,474 --> 01:23:18,554
Speaker 7: So if we just keep kicking the can down the

1796
01:23:18,634 --> 01:23:21,554
Speaker 7: road every single year, it's not like some like Henchman's

1797
01:23:21,594 --> 01:23:24,314
Speaker 7: gonna come down to our offices and like demand the

1798
01:23:24,714 --> 01:23:28,314
Speaker 7: sixty right now. So it's like, you know, having a

1799
01:23:28,354 --> 01:23:30,634
Speaker 7: credit card, Like they realize that they can rack up

1800
01:23:30,674 --> 01:23:33,234
Speaker 7: all this debt because it's just never going to become due.

1801
01:23:33,354 --> 01:23:35,754
Speaker 4: And in fairness, when it was Peyton and Breeze, they

1802
01:23:35,754 --> 01:23:38,874
Speaker 4: were in contention everything. Yeah, you know, now all of

1803
01:23:38,874 --> 01:23:43,714
Speaker 4: a sudden it's Dennis Allen Derek Carr, Like, is it

1804
01:23:43,754 --> 01:23:45,794
Speaker 4: because you're over the campo? Because you're not that good?

1805
01:23:47,194 --> 01:23:49,034
Speaker 6: Ben In Brooklyn writes, and not sure if it's been

1806
01:23:49,114 --> 01:23:52,434
Speaker 6: mentioned before about Drake May, but I believe he completed

1807
01:23:52,514 --> 01:23:55,674
Speaker 6: passes to nine or ten different receivers wide receiver, tight end,

1808
01:23:55,714 --> 01:23:58,474
Speaker 6: running back, not all of whom are all pro. I

1809
01:23:58,514 --> 01:24:01,634
Speaker 6: think this is a good sign. Separately, it seems like

1810
01:24:01,754 --> 01:24:05,674
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones has been been big in their recent rallies.

1811
01:24:06,034 --> 01:24:08,754
Speaker 6: Given the lack of electric playmakers, don't you think he

1812
01:24:08,834 --> 01:24:11,073
Speaker 6: should get two or three touches on offense?

1813
01:24:12,114 --> 01:24:15,434
Speaker 4: To bring that up with Marcus Jones, that first thing

1814
01:24:15,474 --> 01:24:20,194
Speaker 4: he says a little little misleading like a lot of

1815
01:24:20,274 --> 01:24:25,954
Speaker 4: guys have one catch. I know, but he's struggling.

1816
01:24:26,354 --> 01:24:27,754
Speaker 6: Just say he's willing to distribute.

1817
01:24:27,754 --> 01:24:29,754
Speaker 4: They're struggling in the passing thing. Can we just say

1818
01:24:29,754 --> 01:24:32,834
Speaker 4: it like the way it is like they don't have

1819
01:24:32,914 --> 01:24:35,354
Speaker 4: any wide receivers that are any but it's Hunter Henry.

1820
01:24:35,434 --> 01:24:36,794
Speaker 4: It's the only guy I feel good about. When the

1821
01:24:36,834 --> 01:24:38,554
Speaker 4: ball gets thrown one, that's it.

1822
01:24:39,674 --> 01:24:39,834
Speaker 9: You know.

1823
01:24:39,954 --> 01:24:41,834
Speaker 4: They also had a ton of screens in this game

1824
01:24:42,354 --> 01:24:44,074
Speaker 4: that none of which picked up in the yards.

1825
01:24:44,314 --> 01:24:47,314
Speaker 7: One of them, the one that Hasty got lit up on.

1826
01:24:48,274 --> 01:24:49,634
Speaker 4: That was a nice play by that linebacker.

1827
01:24:49,754 --> 01:24:51,994
Speaker 7: I'm not one hundred percent sure that everybody knew it

1828
01:24:52,074 --> 01:24:52,554
Speaker 7: was a screen.

1829
01:24:54,434 --> 01:24:56,874
Speaker 4: I love when everyone has these little stories about film

1830
01:24:56,954 --> 01:24:59,634
Speaker 4: study like that just makes me laugh.

1831
01:24:59,874 --> 01:25:03,034
Speaker 7: I'm just being honest. It's like I'm not in any

1832
01:25:03,114 --> 01:25:05,394
Speaker 7: of their heads. Like so, I couldn't tell you for sure,

1833
01:25:05,834 --> 01:25:07,994
Speaker 7: but it looked to me like half the guys were

1834
01:25:08,314 --> 01:25:10,354
Speaker 7: running a drop back play and half the guys are

1835
01:25:10,434 --> 01:25:13,154
Speaker 7: running a screen and that's what happens, and then the

1836
01:25:13,234 --> 01:25:16,474
Speaker 7: linebacker flies and almost puts Jmichael Haysey in the next one.

1837
01:25:16,594 --> 01:25:19,234
Speaker 4: But that's the stuff that I hear from, like from

1838
01:25:19,314 --> 01:25:21,194
Speaker 4: my son, and when they when they can use one

1839
01:25:21,234 --> 01:25:24,994
Speaker 4: of the dorky linemen, and that's the stuff that I

1840
01:25:25,074 --> 01:25:27,674
Speaker 4: hear when they do like, yeah, we didn't know it

1841
01:25:27,834 --> 01:25:31,594
Speaker 4: was a screen, Like, well, what do you mean And

1842
01:25:31,634 --> 01:25:34,154
Speaker 4: they're like, well, yeah, after what you've said, Well I

1843
01:25:34,234 --> 01:25:38,194
Speaker 4: heard five hundred and I'm like, how did everybody hear screen?

1844
01:25:38,234 --> 01:25:40,554
Speaker 4: There's like two linemen out in front of the guy

1845
01:25:40,594 --> 01:25:44,194
Speaker 4: who's catching the ball, and there's one like just aimlessly

1846
01:25:44,354 --> 01:25:46,994
Speaker 4: pass blocking nobody, Like how does that happen? You know

1847
01:25:47,034 --> 01:25:48,914
Speaker 4: when it's high school, so you get it the kids.

1848
01:25:49,394 --> 01:25:52,354
Speaker 4: But like I have been saying this stuff about the NFL.

1849
01:25:52,754 --> 01:25:54,834
Speaker 7: I just I'm on a Paul shows and I'm not

1850
01:25:54,914 --> 01:25:57,034
Speaker 7: taking a shot at Phil. I'm sure his reporting is

1851
01:25:57,074 --> 01:26:00,314
Speaker 7: one hundred percent accurate, but he said that Titans coaches

1852
01:26:00,354 --> 01:26:01,994
Speaker 7: were praising the Patriots often.

1853
01:26:02,074 --> 01:26:05,074
Speaker 4: I actually heard him say this last night on the

1854
01:26:05,154 --> 01:26:07,354
Speaker 4: early edition whatever, that I would love.

1855
01:26:07,314 --> 01:26:10,674
Speaker 7: To know what system and not the just like Drake

1856
01:26:10,794 --> 01:26:13,954
Speaker 7: may system, Like, like, what what do you like about

1857
01:26:13,994 --> 01:26:15,634
Speaker 7: the system? Because they can't run the ball and they

1858
01:26:15,674 --> 01:26:18,674
Speaker 7: can't get anybody open. So I'm not really understanding, like

1859
01:26:18,834 --> 01:26:22,434
Speaker 7: what fundamentally is so great about the system that they're

1860
01:26:22,514 --> 01:26:25,073
Speaker 7: trying to run, Like, do you still.

1861
01:26:24,914 --> 01:26:29,594
Speaker 4: See a lot of examples where receivers and route running

1862
01:26:29,714 --> 01:26:32,394
Speaker 4: seemed to be convoluted at times?

1863
01:26:32,434 --> 01:26:34,194
Speaker 7: I thought it was worse last week than it was

1864
01:26:34,314 --> 01:26:36,434
Speaker 7: this week. It was a little bit better, I would

1865
01:26:36,434 --> 01:26:39,073
Speaker 7: say this week. But when you play defense like the Titans,

1866
01:26:39,114 --> 01:26:42,074
Speaker 7: who ran like eighty seven percent of their dropbacks were

1867
01:26:42,114 --> 01:26:45,194
Speaker 7: in zone coverage, zone coverage is all about scheme, like

1868
01:26:45,674 --> 01:26:47,594
Speaker 7: man to man is when it's on the receivers to

1869
01:26:47,634 --> 01:26:49,714
Speaker 7: get open, like you got to beat the guy across

1870
01:26:49,834 --> 01:26:52,474
Speaker 7: from you. When you face zone coverage defenses, it's on

1871
01:26:52,834 --> 01:26:55,274
Speaker 7: the play caller to get guys open, to put guys

1872
01:26:55,314 --> 01:26:57,994
Speaker 7: in conflict and move guys and things like that. And

1873
01:26:58,074 --> 01:26:59,994
Speaker 7: so when you don't have production in the passing game

1874
01:27:00,034 --> 01:27:02,514
Speaker 7: against the zone defense, you look at the design of

1875
01:27:02,594 --> 01:27:04,914
Speaker 7: the place and the scheming of what's going on.

1876
01:27:05,874 --> 01:27:08,154
Speaker 4: So I'd be interested some of our listeners can help

1877
01:27:08,234 --> 01:27:11,034
Speaker 4: us out, I see, because we're watching you know one

1878
01:27:11,074 --> 01:27:14,034
Speaker 4: of my shows, The Beatle in the Zoe, as Fred says,

1879
01:27:14,554 --> 01:27:17,514
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick evidently unveiled his All Belichick team.

1880
01:27:17,674 --> 01:27:19,594
Speaker 7: I did see this, and he had about seventeen guys

1881
01:27:19,634 --> 01:27:20,714
Speaker 7: he either coached.

1882
01:27:20,554 --> 01:27:21,794
Speaker 4: Or currently on the board.

1883
01:27:21,914 --> 01:27:24,754
Speaker 5: Chris Board made it old Frank, Chris, Chris Board, Chris Board.

1884
01:27:24,794 --> 01:27:27,394
Speaker 4: I think there were for so you guys are already

1885
01:27:27,394 --> 01:27:29,074
Speaker 4: aware of this. I don't need the listeners.

1886
01:27:29,274 --> 01:27:31,234
Speaker 5: I saw some highlights. I think Marcus Jones was on it.

1887
01:27:31,834 --> 01:27:34,954
Speaker 4: Marcus Jones, Oh, he must have twenty seven special teams guys.

1888
01:27:35,114 --> 01:27:37,394
Speaker 7: Well, it was all it was offense defense special teams.

1889
01:27:37,594 --> 01:27:39,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they must be more special teamers than anything else.

1890
01:27:39,914 --> 01:27:43,834
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was Patriots. Either current or ex special

1891
01:27:43,874 --> 01:27:48,794
Speaker 7: teamers made the list. I was a schooler, Marcus Jones,

1892
01:27:49,754 --> 01:27:51,834
Speaker 7: Christian Ellis as a special teamer.

1893
01:27:52,034 --> 01:27:52,834
Speaker 4: And Chris Board.

1894
01:27:53,314 --> 01:27:57,754
Speaker 7: So they didn't give it to Joe Cardona though is Yeah,

1895
01:27:57,754 --> 01:27:58,754
Speaker 7: I didn't see his name on.

1896
01:28:00,114 --> 01:28:02,674
Speaker 6: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world.

1897
01:28:02,794 --> 01:28:05,874
Speaker 6: Rights in. We knew the Patriots would suck, but I'm

1898
01:28:05,954 --> 01:28:07,994
Speaker 6: not sure how we were meant to suck, and it

1899
01:28:08,114 --> 01:28:10,874
Speaker 6: looked good for Mayo to that end. Which of the

1900
01:28:11,034 --> 01:28:18,714
Speaker 6: nine two win teams coaches is doing a good job Titans, Browns, Dolphins, Panthers, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Patriots,

1901
01:28:18,754 --> 01:28:22,674
Speaker 6: and Giants. Well, the Saints guy get fired, Dennis Allen.

1902
01:28:23,434 --> 01:28:25,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's hard to it's hard to argue

1903
01:28:25,754 --> 01:28:28,634
Speaker 4: any of those guys are doing a good job. Some

1904
01:28:28,794 --> 01:28:30,954
Speaker 4: of them are more extenuating. I would say the Miami

1905
01:28:31,034 --> 01:28:34,394
Speaker 4: one is a little bit more extenuated, Like they had

1906
01:28:34,434 --> 01:28:36,754
Speaker 4: to play a big chunk of their season out their quarterback,

1907
01:28:38,034 --> 01:28:40,954
Speaker 4: and then since he's been back, they kind of look

1908
01:28:41,034 --> 01:28:43,234
Speaker 4: like they always do. They just, you know, kind of

1909
01:28:43,314 --> 01:28:45,834
Speaker 4: spiral out of control. You have losing games the last

1910
01:28:45,874 --> 01:28:49,274
Speaker 4: two games. My guess is that the last two games

1911
01:28:49,274 --> 01:28:50,954
Speaker 4: they would not have lost them both had they not

1912
01:28:51,834 --> 01:28:54,634
Speaker 4: lost whatever many they lost when Tyler Huntley was playing.

1913
01:28:54,914 --> 01:28:56,994
Speaker 4: Those are kind of losses the last two weeks that

1914
01:28:57,114 --> 01:29:00,954
Speaker 4: losing teams find a way to lose. The Arizona game

1915
01:29:00,994 --> 01:29:03,714
Speaker 4: that they lose at the Buzzer, and then the Buffalo

1916
01:29:03,794 --> 01:29:07,594
Speaker 4: game they had every opportunity to win. I don't know,

1917
01:29:07,714 --> 01:29:09,794
Speaker 4: I don't think. I think. I still think McDaniel's a

1918
01:29:09,834 --> 01:29:12,674
Speaker 4: good coach. Yeah, I mean, maybe some of the bloom

1919
01:29:12,794 --> 01:29:14,674
Speaker 4: is off the roads and he's not quite this mad

1920
01:29:14,794 --> 01:29:17,114
Speaker 4: scientist that everybody made him out to me. But I

1921
01:29:17,194 --> 01:29:18,234
Speaker 4: still think he knows what he's doing.

1922
01:29:18,474 --> 01:29:21,394
Speaker 7: He's definitely in the category of like, is he a

1923
01:29:21,474 --> 01:29:23,994
Speaker 7: great offensive coordinator or is he a great head coach?

1924
01:29:24,034 --> 01:29:26,074
Speaker 4: Absolutely fair question.

1925
01:29:26,274 --> 01:29:29,154
Speaker 7: He's one of the best play callers and offensive coaches

1926
01:29:29,154 --> 01:29:30,394
Speaker 7: in the league. There's no doubt about that.

1927
01:29:30,594 --> 01:29:33,274
Speaker 4: But like Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland, like, that's not just

1928
01:29:33,354 --> 01:29:37,114
Speaker 4: about Deshaun Watson. The team's not playing well. Yeah, their offense.

1929
01:29:37,234 --> 01:29:39,234
Speaker 4: You know, you kind of won this whole power struggle.

1930
01:29:39,274 --> 01:29:41,754
Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna call the plays and you know, all

1931
01:29:41,834 --> 01:29:44,194
Speaker 4: these guys gotta go. I gotta get You have your

1932
01:29:44,194 --> 01:29:46,394
Speaker 4: old coaching staff the way you want it, and your

1933
01:29:46,434 --> 01:29:48,554
Speaker 4: two and seven for the Patriots.

1934
01:29:48,594 --> 01:29:50,394
Speaker 5: This is where the rubber meets the road for me,

1935
01:29:50,474 --> 01:29:52,874
Speaker 5: and I thought, you know, this is about two wins,

1936
01:29:52,994 --> 01:29:55,114
Speaker 5: Like at this point in the season, halfway through two

1937
01:29:55,234 --> 01:29:58,434
Speaker 5: three wins, thought they'd be about here. Now it's are

1938
01:29:58,434 --> 01:30:01,274
Speaker 5: people buying into the system, Are the coaches learning from

1939
01:30:01,314 --> 01:30:05,194
Speaker 5: their mistakes? Are players improving under this coaching staff? You

1940
01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:07,314
Speaker 5: know that's I'm fine if they only win a few

1941
01:30:07,354 --> 01:30:09,074
Speaker 5: more games this season. But we talked about it all

1942
01:30:09,114 --> 01:30:11,554
Speaker 5: off season. What it looks like, it peaks at the end,

1943
01:30:11,634 --> 01:30:14,274
Speaker 5: it starts to look better, there's something some.

1944
01:30:14,354 --> 01:30:14,994
Speaker 4: Of the details.

1945
01:30:15,074 --> 01:30:18,874
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think. I think James's point is,

1946
01:30:19,394 --> 01:30:21,634
Speaker 6: can anything look good if you're a two win team?

1947
01:30:21,674 --> 01:30:23,554
Speaker 4: See, I think you can. I think you can look

1948
01:30:23,594 --> 01:30:25,954
Speaker 4: But like I think Arizona last year didn't win a

1949
01:30:25,994 --> 01:30:28,234
Speaker 4: lot of games, but a lot of people said that

1950
01:30:28,794 --> 01:30:32,354
Speaker 4: Gannon really had that team buying in, playing hard and

1951
01:30:32,474 --> 01:30:35,834
Speaker 4: not beating itself. Now, I didn't watch Arizona every week,

1952
01:30:35,914 --> 01:30:39,314
Speaker 4: so maybe that's garbage. Maybe they did. Maybe they did

1953
01:30:39,394 --> 01:30:42,874
Speaker 4: beat themselves constantly. We get but like, I'm sorry, kicking

1954
01:30:42,954 --> 01:30:45,034
Speaker 4: off into the wind you're not taking the wind in

1955
01:30:45,074 --> 01:30:49,474
Speaker 4: overtime is an inexcusable gaff. Like I want an end

1956
01:30:49,714 --> 01:30:54,314
Speaker 4: to the coaching country. Evan had a ten minute dissertation

1957
01:30:54,474 --> 01:30:58,314
Speaker 4: on three glaring mistakes that the coaching mad trying to

1958
01:30:58,354 --> 01:31:00,194
Speaker 4: know what I'm like, you know, but I'm saying like

1959
01:31:00,474 --> 01:31:04,354
Speaker 4: it was valid, Like I don't know that, you know.

1960
01:31:05,834 --> 01:31:07,354
Speaker 4: I think that you can be a bad team and

1961
01:31:07,714 --> 01:31:11,394
Speaker 4: still be well coached. I think the Detroit Lions the

1962
01:31:11,434 --> 01:31:14,434
Speaker 4: first year at Dan Campbell. Yeah, yeah, Like I don't.

1963
01:31:14,474 --> 01:31:16,274
Speaker 4: I'm not a huge Dan Campbell guy. I think he's

1964
01:31:16,274 --> 01:31:19,154
Speaker 4: more of a ra ra kind of psychopath. But works.

1965
01:31:20,354 --> 01:31:23,193
Speaker 4: I think that he showed signs of toughness and instilled

1966
01:31:23,834 --> 01:31:26,874
Speaker 4: like sort of an identity on that team. In a

1967
01:31:26,954 --> 01:31:28,914
Speaker 4: three thirteen and one season, you.

1968
01:31:28,994 --> 01:31:30,954
Speaker 7: Just want to see the coaching set the players up

1969
01:31:31,034 --> 01:31:33,514
Speaker 7: for the best chance to win the game. And it

1970
01:31:33,674 --> 01:31:36,514
Speaker 7: just feels like the decision before the game to start

1971
01:31:36,594 --> 01:31:38,834
Speaker 7: Laden Robinson and then the decisions in game with the

1972
01:31:38,914 --> 01:31:41,194
Speaker 7: win and all that, like these are things that you

1973
01:31:41,274 --> 01:31:44,114
Speaker 7: already have an uphill battle, like you're already.

1974
01:31:46,154 --> 01:31:48,354
Speaker 6: It wasn't a Belichick that said, you know, coaches can

1975
01:31:48,434 --> 01:31:52,474
Speaker 6: only really lose games. I mean, I know he's being humble,

1976
01:31:52,714 --> 01:31:53,154
Speaker 6: but you.

1977
01:31:53,194 --> 01:31:55,634
Speaker 4: Don't like believe that he believes that he said it.

1978
01:31:56,074 --> 01:31:57,714
Speaker 4: I know he said it, but you don't believe that

1979
01:31:57,794 --> 01:31:58,314
Speaker 4: he believes it.

1980
01:31:58,474 --> 01:32:01,154
Speaker 6: But I get kind of the point is it's, you know,

1981
01:32:01,954 --> 01:32:05,314
Speaker 6: you can put all these players in the best position possible,

1982
01:32:05,674 --> 01:32:08,234
Speaker 6: but eventually they have to go out and make the plays.

1983
01:32:08,594 --> 01:32:12,034
Speaker 6: But you can do things to make good players lose

1984
01:32:12,114 --> 01:32:12,834
Speaker 6: games as.

1985
01:32:12,714 --> 01:32:14,834
Speaker 4: A coach, you know what I mean, if you don't

1986
01:32:14,834 --> 01:32:15,194
Speaker 4: put him in.

1987
01:32:15,194 --> 01:32:18,554
Speaker 5: The right h But I mean, I just say, I'm

1988
01:32:18,594 --> 01:32:20,634
Speaker 5: willing to accept some bumps in the road. I mean,

1989
01:32:20,674 --> 01:32:22,434
Speaker 5: this is what we signed up for when you're hiring

1990
01:32:22,514 --> 01:32:24,834
Speaker 5: drama who hadn't like coached the football team before. So

1991
01:32:25,474 --> 01:32:27,754
Speaker 5: but it has to get better, Like we can't. I mean,

1992
01:32:27,834 --> 01:32:29,794
Speaker 5: Paul said if it was you know, twenty twenty five

1993
01:32:29,834 --> 01:32:31,554
Speaker 5: when we watched that Drake May, he wouldn't be happy

1994
01:32:31,674 --> 01:32:34,154
Speaker 5: if we're watching these kind of coaching mistakes happen next year,

1995
01:32:34,594 --> 01:32:35,994
Speaker 5: Like that's not acceptable anymore.

1996
01:32:36,514 --> 01:32:38,434
Speaker 6: Got at some point, Gerard has to show what he

1997
01:32:38,634 --> 01:32:42,034
Speaker 6: does well, Like for the quarterback, he's making mistakes, but

1998
01:32:42,194 --> 01:32:44,274
Speaker 6: we see what he can do well, right right, we

1999
01:32:44,394 --> 01:32:48,754
Speaker 6: see that, Wow, there's room for improvement here. But we

2000
01:32:48,834 --> 01:32:51,274
Speaker 6: can see how it will happen with Gerard as a

2001
01:32:51,314 --> 01:32:55,274
Speaker 6: head coach. You know, it's not as evident because he's

2002
01:32:55,314 --> 01:32:57,634
Speaker 6: not out there. But what does he do well?

2003
01:32:57,754 --> 01:32:58,154
Speaker 5: What is he?

2004
01:32:58,634 --> 01:33:00,754
Speaker 6: You know, I think we all talked about it before,

2005
01:33:00,994 --> 01:33:03,434
Speaker 6: Like is he a defensive tactician?

2006
01:33:03,754 --> 01:33:04,874
Speaker 4: Is he a raw ra guy?

2007
01:33:05,154 --> 01:33:05,834
Speaker 6: Which is okay?

2008
01:33:06,394 --> 01:33:08,754
Speaker 4: Like what is he as a coach when you're doing it?

2009
01:33:08,954 --> 01:33:09,794
Speaker 6: Is his identity?

2010
01:33:10,034 --> 01:33:10,234
Speaker 9: Like that?

2011
01:33:11,234 --> 01:33:11,394
Speaker 17: You know?

2012
01:33:11,674 --> 01:33:14,354
Speaker 4: And selfishly like I'm looking at like even this game like, yeah,

2013
01:33:14,474 --> 01:33:17,754
Speaker 4: it's two and seven, who cares? But I care, Like

2014
01:33:18,034 --> 01:33:20,754
Speaker 4: you have a matchup like this, I want to watch

2015
01:33:20,874 --> 01:33:23,834
Speaker 4: Drake May and Kayleb Williams getting a shootout like that

2016
01:33:23,874 --> 01:33:26,914
Speaker 4: would be awesome. Selfishly, I'd like to see if Chicago

2017
01:33:26,994 --> 01:33:29,634
Speaker 4: can sort of, you know, shake off the doldrums from

2018
01:33:29,674 --> 01:33:32,394
Speaker 4: that Hail Mary that clearly they took into Arizona last

2019
01:33:32,434 --> 01:33:36,114
Speaker 4: week and played a lousy game. I'd like to see

2020
01:33:36,554 --> 01:33:39,354
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams play well and Drake May play well and

2021
01:33:39,474 --> 01:33:42,874
Speaker 4: have these two guys that conceivably could be the face

2022
01:33:42,914 --> 01:33:45,394
Speaker 4: of the league five years from now. Wouldn't that be

2023
01:33:45,714 --> 01:33:47,034
Speaker 4: like a lot of fun to watch it? Like, it

2024
01:33:47,074 --> 01:33:49,874
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be Oh woe with us with two

2025
01:33:49,954 --> 01:33:52,074
Speaker 4: and seven, We have nothing to watch, You have nothing

2026
01:33:52,114 --> 01:33:54,154
Speaker 4: to be excited about. I think there were a lot

2027
01:33:54,154 --> 01:33:56,074
Speaker 4: of things to be excited about on Sunday, and I'd

2028
01:33:56,114 --> 01:33:59,354
Speaker 4: like to see more of them, if you know, if

2029
01:34:00,154 --> 01:34:02,874
Speaker 4: Chicago can play well as you know that, I hope

2030
01:34:02,874 --> 01:34:05,274
Speaker 4: we put up a fifty burger on our No, but

2031
01:34:05,354 --> 01:34:05,794
Speaker 4: wouldn't it.

2032
01:34:06,314 --> 01:34:07,754
Speaker 7: Let's just make sure we have the win in the

2033
01:34:07,794 --> 01:34:09,034
Speaker 7: winning city, like, let's get it.

2034
01:34:09,234 --> 01:34:12,474
Speaker 4: No, No, listen, winning the game is like they need

2035
01:34:12,594 --> 01:34:13,954
Speaker 4: to try to win the game. I get that, But

2036
01:34:14,034 --> 01:34:16,314
Speaker 4: wouldn't you feel better if you felt like Chicago came

2037
01:34:16,394 --> 01:34:19,073
Speaker 4: to play and you beat them? Sure than if Chicago

2038
01:34:19,274 --> 01:34:21,754
Speaker 4: continues to ro like they did on Sunday, I think

2039
01:34:21,794 --> 01:34:23,714
Speaker 4: they will too. I think they felt bad for themselves

2040
01:34:23,794 --> 01:34:27,034
Speaker 4: and they had a bad Plus, Arizona's playing well right now.

2041
01:34:27,754 --> 01:34:31,234
Speaker 6: I like it came to play in our defense shut

2042
01:34:31,274 --> 01:34:31,594
Speaker 6: him down.

2043
01:34:31,714 --> 01:34:35,994
Speaker 4: But anyway, yes, yes, like they came to play, but Chicago,

2044
01:34:36,234 --> 01:34:38,834
Speaker 4: like really played hard. They didn't play hard. I watched it,

2045
01:34:38,994 --> 01:34:40,754
Speaker 4: you know, the game a fifty three yard touchdown with

2046
01:34:40,794 --> 01:34:43,394
Speaker 4: four seconds left. They did run fifty three yard run.

2047
01:34:43,874 --> 01:34:46,674
Speaker 4: It was like remember the Titans when the game winning

2048
01:34:46,714 --> 01:34:49,354
Speaker 4: touchdown is a seventy five yard run backside Georgia.

2049
01:34:50,634 --> 01:34:54,594
Speaker 6: Fun fact, did you know that the Windy City, the

2050
01:34:55,114 --> 01:34:59,234
Speaker 6: nickname for Chicago, is not because of the wind The

2051
01:34:59,354 --> 01:35:01,554
Speaker 6: Chicago is actually like the fourth or fifth windy a

2052
01:35:01,674 --> 01:35:05,194
Speaker 6: city in the country. It's it's because of politics, because

2053
01:35:05,234 --> 01:35:08,514
Speaker 6: of the bluster of the politicians. Oh back of the

2054
01:35:08,554 --> 01:35:08,874
Speaker 6: turn of.

2055
01:35:08,874 --> 01:35:11,234
Speaker 7: The I was writing this morning and I was thinking,

2056
01:35:11,354 --> 01:35:14,514
Speaker 7: like the Chicago people in Chicago hate the Windy City

2057
01:35:14,554 --> 01:35:16,514
Speaker 7: as much as we hate bean Town, Like is it

2058
01:35:16,634 --> 01:35:19,274
Speaker 7: like like because it's gonna write Windy City. But I

2059
01:35:19,354 --> 01:35:22,194
Speaker 7: was like, if they hate Windy City, I keep one

2060
01:35:22,234 --> 01:35:22,714
Speaker 7: of those.

2061
01:35:22,554 --> 01:35:24,354
Speaker 4: City things that you say the people that are from

2062
01:35:24,394 --> 01:35:26,074
Speaker 4: their hate. Yeah.

2063
01:35:26,194 --> 01:35:30,354
Speaker 6: So if you're from San Francisco, that's it. You hate

2064
01:35:30,434 --> 01:35:32,914
Speaker 6: when people call you San fran Oh, I thought it

2065
01:35:32,994 --> 01:35:35,834
Speaker 6: was Frisco. Oh, maybe it's Frisco. Maybe it's Frisco. Right.

2066
01:35:36,194 --> 01:35:38,474
Speaker 6: They hate when they call it Frisco. And people from

2067
01:35:38,554 --> 01:35:43,194
Speaker 6: Oregon hate it when you say, well that's wrong, it's wrong,

2068
01:35:43,514 --> 01:35:44,394
Speaker 6: but a lot of people do it.

2069
01:35:44,794 --> 01:35:45,034
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2070
01:35:46,074 --> 01:35:49,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Frisky Cardinals. Remember when I was talking to

2071
01:35:49,754 --> 01:35:52,754
Speaker 4: you about all my various centers over the years, Dennis

2072
01:35:52,794 --> 01:35:55,234
Speaker 4: O'donnald's john Shenna. Yeah, you know, put it right there.

2073
01:35:55,474 --> 01:35:58,234
Speaker 4: So I'm playing golf on Saturday up in New Hampshire

2074
01:35:58,794 --> 01:36:02,394
Speaker 4: and you know, get to the next tea boxes, like

2075
01:36:02,514 --> 01:36:04,074
Speaker 4: three guys on the tea box and I have like

2076
01:36:04,114 --> 01:36:09,514
Speaker 4: a PVD baseball show. Peebt. Did you grow up there? No? No,

2077
01:36:10,034 --> 01:36:11,394
Speaker 4: you know, I actually grew up in Everard.

2078
01:36:11,434 --> 01:36:11,554
Speaker 12: Oh.

2079
01:36:12,154 --> 01:36:15,994
Speaker 4: Everett. We used to because years ago we used to

2080
01:36:16,074 --> 01:36:19,474
Speaker 4: coach UMass Lowell football. We had a great kid from

2081
01:36:19,514 --> 01:36:22,234
Speaker 4: Everett John Shanna. I swear to god, I haven't thought

2082
01:36:22,234 --> 01:36:24,234
Speaker 4: of a guy in thirty five years, like the guys

2083
01:36:24,394 --> 01:36:27,714
Speaker 4: like waxing Poe about John Shanna out of nowhere. I

2084
01:36:27,834 --> 01:36:29,354
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, he just told a.

2085
01:36:29,354 --> 01:36:33,314
Speaker 6: Story about him on Then.

2086
01:36:33,314 --> 01:36:35,074
Speaker 5: I thought, you're gonna say, I got some guy bending

2087
01:36:35,114 --> 01:36:35,914
Speaker 5: over at the tea box.

2088
01:36:35,994 --> 01:36:36,554
Speaker 6: I heard up is.

2089
01:36:36,674 --> 01:36:39,154
Speaker 4: I actually said for the guy, I go great center

2090
01:36:39,874 --> 01:36:43,594
Speaker 4: put it right there every time he started laughing Speaking.

2091
01:36:43,314 --> 01:36:46,874
Speaker 6: Of Rere Rands, I had been watching that Aaron Hernandez.

2092
01:36:47,474 --> 01:36:49,754
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, documentary, a lot of pair.

2093
01:36:49,674 --> 01:36:50,554
Speaker 5: But where's this counce?

2094
01:36:50,594 --> 01:36:52,674
Speaker 6: But I was gonna say, I said, I've seen the

2095
01:36:52,754 --> 01:36:55,394
Speaker 6: first six episodes. It's not as bad as I thought

2096
01:36:55,434 --> 01:36:55,594
Speaker 6: it was.

2097
01:36:56,114 --> 01:36:56,994
Speaker 5: Who plays Cursion?

2098
01:36:57,274 --> 01:36:57,514
Speaker 8: Is there?

2099
01:36:57,634 --> 01:36:57,834
Speaker 23: Is there?

2100
01:36:58,474 --> 01:37:03,674
Speaker 6: Yeah? They haven't yet. Yeah, but it's not as bad.

2101
01:37:03,754 --> 01:37:05,874
Speaker 4: That'll be episode ten if he doesn't have a sad

2102
01:37:05,954 --> 01:37:06,754
Speaker 4: card credit.

2103
01:37:06,874 --> 01:37:07,474
Speaker 6: What are you up to?

2104
01:37:07,634 --> 01:37:08,234
Speaker 4: As Fred Kirk?

2105
01:37:08,474 --> 01:37:09,754
Speaker 5: I watch it weekly, I'm caught up.

2106
01:37:09,994 --> 01:37:12,594
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I I tomorrow is episode nine. Yeah, I've

2107
01:37:12,674 --> 01:37:15,354
Speaker 6: only seen six, but it's it's not not terrible.

2108
01:37:15,394 --> 01:37:19,554
Speaker 5: It's actually not no like from like an unintentional comedy perspective,

2109
01:37:19,674 --> 01:37:19,914
Speaker 5: or like a.

2110
01:37:19,914 --> 01:37:23,594
Speaker 6: Good television comedy. I think was was craft in uh

2111
01:37:24,434 --> 01:37:25,994
Speaker 6: In Belichick was a little bit.

2112
01:37:26,594 --> 01:37:31,034
Speaker 4: So I think the guy that does Belichick is spot off. Yeah, clips, well,

2113
01:37:31,074 --> 01:37:32,234
Speaker 4: I just can't do the football.

2114
01:37:32,474 --> 01:37:34,834
Speaker 6: I don't know when he's in his office, you know,

2115
01:37:35,034 --> 01:37:37,594
Speaker 6: rocking out to bon Jovi by himself.

2116
01:37:38,954 --> 01:37:44,274
Speaker 7: Yeah, the episode is that theyd episode. There's some football

2117
01:37:44,394 --> 01:37:50,234
Speaker 7: movies that have the nailed the actual football. This TV

2118
01:37:50,354 --> 01:37:51,314
Speaker 7: show is not one of them.

2119
01:37:51,434 --> 01:37:52,394
Speaker 6: What the Hernandas one?

2120
01:37:52,554 --> 01:37:56,114
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they use actual and by the way, not only.

2121
01:37:56,034 --> 01:38:00,034
Speaker 6: Did they use actual Florida footage, they're using actual Patriots footage.

2122
01:38:00,434 --> 01:38:02,994
Speaker 6: So you'll see the wide angle and it's Tom Brady

2123
01:38:03,074 --> 01:38:05,834
Speaker 6: throwing Aaron Hernanez and then they zoom in and it's

2124
01:38:05,914 --> 01:38:08,834
Speaker 6: back to the actual characters. But they use the real

2125
01:38:09,114 --> 01:38:10,034
Speaker 6: NFL footage.

2126
01:38:10,154 --> 01:38:12,234
Speaker 7: I don't know. I saw him try to run around

2127
01:38:13,714 --> 01:38:16,554
Speaker 7: it close up. It's that, you know, but the wise

2128
01:38:16,634 --> 01:38:17,714
Speaker 7: get somebody that's in shape.

2129
01:38:17,794 --> 01:38:20,634
Speaker 6: But the right angle, the white angle, is the actual footage.

2130
01:38:20,754 --> 01:38:23,834
Speaker 4: So what football movie would you say? Is the other way?

2131
01:38:23,954 --> 01:38:26,154
Speaker 4: Like they got the football?

2132
01:38:26,234 --> 01:38:30,274
Speaker 7: The best football movie for the actual little jobs is

2133
01:38:30,394 --> 01:38:34,914
Speaker 7: grid Iron Gang with the rock is the is the coxhibit? Yeah?

2134
01:38:35,074 --> 01:38:37,034
Speaker 4: And exhibit is that the one that they filmed him.

2135
01:38:37,474 --> 01:38:39,514
Speaker 4: I don't know that was the game.

2136
01:38:40,714 --> 01:38:43,274
Speaker 7: This is like he's in the prison and he takes

2137
01:38:43,914 --> 01:38:47,514
Speaker 7: the premise of the prison and they form a football team.

2138
01:38:47,874 --> 01:38:50,594
Speaker 7: And a lot of those kids were former D one

2139
01:38:50,634 --> 01:38:54,714
Speaker 7: football players and they all actually play pretty good football.

2140
01:38:54,994 --> 01:38:56,994
Speaker 6: Can you watch it? What was the one where Trolton

2141
01:38:57,074 --> 01:38:59,874
Speaker 6: Heston is the quarterback and he ends up getting killed

2142
01:38:59,874 --> 01:39:03,394
Speaker 6: at the end of the game. No, no, no, he

2143
01:39:03,434 --> 01:39:05,114
Speaker 6: gets hit in the help He gets hit in the

2144
01:39:05,594 --> 01:39:07,474
Speaker 6: at the end, and like at the end, they show

2145
01:39:07,554 --> 01:39:09,034
Speaker 6: like blood coming out of his ear.

2146
01:39:09,474 --> 01:39:09,754
Speaker 8: Like you.

2147
01:39:11,314 --> 01:39:14,194
Speaker 4: I would also say the number one numumber one.

2148
01:39:16,474 --> 01:39:16,714
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2149
01:39:17,154 --> 01:39:22,354
Speaker 7: Friday Night Lights the movie is also pretty good actual football.

2150
01:39:23,034 --> 01:39:25,954
Speaker 7: A lot of those kids played college football and and

2151
01:39:26,034 --> 01:39:26,514
Speaker 7: stuff like that.

2152
01:39:26,834 --> 01:39:29,474
Speaker 6: What about Black Sunday? Remember Black Sunday, paul I do?

2153
01:39:29,954 --> 01:39:33,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh that was that was actual footage of Steelers

2154
01:39:33,394 --> 01:39:35,034
Speaker 4: and Cowboys. Yeah. In the Super Bowl.

2155
01:39:35,194 --> 01:39:39,474
Speaker 6: I like the hot yeah. Yeah.

2156
01:39:39,714 --> 01:39:41,994
Speaker 1: The other funny thing this Aaron Show is doing is

2157
01:39:42,074 --> 01:39:44,834
Speaker 1: they're showing Jellette Stadium from the helicopter shots when they

2158
01:39:44,954 --> 01:39:46,754
Speaker 1: you know, show the area, but then they go to

2159
01:39:46,834 --> 01:39:49,194
Speaker 1: practice and they're practicing alongside like ninety three.

2160
01:39:49,474 --> 01:39:50,794
Speaker 4: It's it's pretty funny to see.

2161
01:39:50,914 --> 01:39:54,394
Speaker 5: Yeah, sowaet. They're just getting the murder in the second

2162
01:39:54,434 --> 01:39:58,354
Speaker 5: and last episode. Well it's the third murder, all right.

2163
01:40:00,354 --> 01:40:02,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say that kind of ends shortly

2164
01:40:02,594 --> 01:40:05,314
Speaker 4: after that. I'm not sure if you remember right.

2165
01:40:05,754 --> 01:40:08,634
Speaker 5: Next episode's prison in episode ten is Kirk Mainhan kills him.

2166
01:40:10,514 --> 01:40:13,874
Speaker 6: Let's go back to the TPX hotline. PATS five hundred.

2167
01:40:14,554 --> 01:40:16,754
Speaker 6: Sam is in North Carolina. What's up? Sam?

2168
01:40:17,314 --> 01:40:17,594
Speaker 21: Sam?

2169
01:40:19,354 --> 01:40:21,594
Speaker 4: Sam? Sing it from me?

2170
01:40:21,914 --> 01:40:26,954
Speaker 6: Sam in North Carolina, Ano, he's gone. Now, okay, we'll

2171
01:40:26,994 --> 01:40:29,594
Speaker 6: go down to phil We'll go up to Philadelphia, Willem

2172
01:40:29,594 --> 01:40:30,834
Speaker 6: and Pelham. What's up William?

2173
01:40:32,394 --> 01:40:32,634
Speaker 3: Thanks?

2174
01:40:32,674 --> 01:40:32,874
Speaker 6: Fred?

2175
01:40:32,914 --> 01:40:33,834
Speaker 8: How you doing all right?

2176
01:40:35,434 --> 01:40:35,754
Speaker 6: All right?

2177
01:40:36,194 --> 01:40:39,674
Speaker 8: First and foremost uh acknowledged the queen in the room. Hey,

2178
01:40:39,874 --> 01:40:40,474
Speaker 8: that's how you're doing.

2179
01:40:41,194 --> 01:40:44,994
Speaker 4: He's not here today Thursdays.

2180
01:40:45,354 --> 01:40:51,034
Speaker 8: Oh okay, okay, anyway, let me just get right to it. Basically,

2181
01:40:51,634 --> 01:40:53,474
Speaker 8: I don't need to see anything more about Drake may

2182
01:40:53,594 --> 01:40:58,554
Speaker 8: I after what he did yesterday this Sunday. I'm I'm good,

2183
01:40:58,954 --> 01:41:01,314
Speaker 8: I'm fine. I do not need to see anything more

2184
01:41:01,354 --> 01:41:04,394
Speaker 8: about He's a dual threat quarterback to me, and I

2185
01:41:05,594 --> 01:41:07,994
Speaker 8: just want to see better, better pieces around him, you

2186
01:41:08,034 --> 01:41:09,394
Speaker 8: know what I mean. I don't want to see like

2187
01:41:09,634 --> 01:41:13,754
Speaker 8: enoughing agular or or kJ I was born or Austin

2188
01:41:13,834 --> 01:41:17,514
Speaker 8: Hooper No, no, come on, or Adam feeling that I'm

2189
01:41:17,554 --> 01:41:21,194
Speaker 8: hearing that they talking about trading for a veteran that's

2190
01:41:21,234 --> 01:41:24,114
Speaker 8: thirty thirty four, thirty five years old. Come on, Southern

2191
01:41:24,154 --> 01:41:26,874
Speaker 8: sh'all can do better than I mean, come on, listen.

2192
01:41:26,914 --> 01:41:30,914
Speaker 8: I mean, five years into this, you know he needs

2193
01:41:30,994 --> 01:41:33,794
Speaker 8: better talenting. I mean, y'all, can I even disagree with that?

2194
01:41:34,434 --> 01:41:38,154
Speaker 8: I mean, this is every year, you know, and last,

2195
01:41:38,234 --> 01:41:40,434
Speaker 8: my last sake is this with Paul. Like Paul, you

2196
01:41:40,474 --> 01:41:43,554
Speaker 8: know the past two times I called here and you

2197
01:41:43,914 --> 01:41:46,954
Speaker 8: usually say something after I get off the phone, you know,

2198
01:41:47,474 --> 01:41:49,514
Speaker 8: and I'll be like, okay, and I want to give

2199
01:41:49,554 --> 01:41:51,874
Speaker 8: you a push back to what my question was though,

2200
01:41:51,954 --> 01:41:53,754
Speaker 8: and I can't even do that because I'm off now.

2201
01:41:53,794 --> 01:41:56,314
Speaker 8: So I'm listening to what you're saying. Like when I

2202
01:41:56,434 --> 01:41:57,434
Speaker 8: was talking about alien.

2203
01:41:57,234 --> 01:42:01,074
Speaker 3: Wolf, I don't.

2204
01:42:02,914 --> 01:42:05,474
Speaker 8: Want to protect alien Wolf and whatnot, And then I

2205
01:42:05,634 --> 01:42:07,394
Speaker 8: was like, why is he even protecting this joy?

2206
01:42:07,594 --> 01:42:10,194
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's I want to protect Elliott Wolf,

2207
01:42:10,314 --> 01:42:10,714
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2208
01:42:11,514 --> 01:42:12,434
Speaker 6: Well, listen to him.

2209
01:42:12,754 --> 01:42:15,634
Speaker 8: I'm asking. I'm asking you, Like when when you was

2210
01:42:15,714 --> 01:42:18,314
Speaker 8: like no one said anything about alien wolf baby good

2211
01:42:18,434 --> 01:42:20,874
Speaker 8: or that you haven't heard anything. I don't care a

2212
01:42:20,914 --> 01:42:22,514
Speaker 8: far as you heard anything. What I'm saying is this,

2213
01:42:23,594 --> 01:42:26,354
Speaker 8: if he just got the job, I you may tell

2214
01:42:26,394 --> 01:42:29,074
Speaker 8: me out of free agency you couldn't even make a

2215
01:42:29,234 --> 01:42:31,474
Speaker 8: dynamic trade or nothing. And you're gonna give this man

2216
01:42:31,954 --> 01:42:34,794
Speaker 8: who kJ as one as what that's on social media.

2217
01:42:35,154 --> 01:42:38,794
Speaker 8: We got a second round pick uh Jail and Poko

2218
01:42:39,034 --> 01:42:41,234
Speaker 8: that got the best hands in the league, though, but

2219
01:42:41,354 --> 01:42:45,434
Speaker 8: can't can't prove it though you're a rookie. You ain't

2220
01:42:45,474 --> 01:42:49,154
Speaker 8: getting nothing nothing. You gotta just you gotta look, you

2221
01:42:49,154 --> 01:42:50,994
Speaker 8: gotta put your you gotta put you down the books.

2222
01:42:51,114 --> 01:42:53,514
Speaker 8: Let's go. And I mean all that thought don't mean nothing.

2223
01:42:53,794 --> 01:42:57,434
Speaker 8: Even my boy Jailing Javon Baker, I can make make

2224
01:42:57,674 --> 01:42:59,354
Speaker 8: what people in a wheelchairs stand up.

2225
01:42:59,874 --> 01:43:01,514
Speaker 7: We did run two good routes on Sunday.

2226
01:43:01,554 --> 01:43:05,954
Speaker 6: I want okay. So you're so okay. So you're saying

2227
01:43:06,034 --> 01:43:09,074
Speaker 6: Elliott Wilf is picking the wrong guy. He's not looking in.

2228
01:43:09,274 --> 01:43:13,154
Speaker 4: Who's saying he's picking the right one, the right wrong?

2229
01:43:13,754 --> 01:43:16,514
Speaker 6: Well so far, so far, the people he's picked in

2230
01:43:16,594 --> 01:43:19,194
Speaker 6: this draft have not worked out that well, except for

2231
01:43:19,314 --> 01:43:21,354
Speaker 6: of course the most important one.

2232
01:43:21,394 --> 01:43:24,874
Speaker 4: Exactly well, that the only one that didn't require any thought.

2233
01:43:25,634 --> 01:43:28,834
Speaker 6: Wait, man, a lot of people are saying trade down, Well,

2234
01:43:28,874 --> 01:43:31,834
Speaker 6: that would have been dumb. Just well, people are dumb

2235
01:43:31,914 --> 01:43:32,834
Speaker 6: that just one more?

2236
01:43:32,914 --> 01:43:35,274
Speaker 4: Don't trade down in a three quarterback draft at number three?

2237
01:43:35,874 --> 01:43:36,394
Speaker 6: What's that?

2238
01:43:36,714 --> 01:43:36,874
Speaker 27: Well?

2239
01:43:37,914 --> 01:43:39,634
Speaker 8: One more for you, Fred, And this is for a

2240
01:43:39,754 --> 01:43:42,474
Speaker 8: far too well. I would love to see Caleb Williams

2241
01:43:42,794 --> 01:43:45,394
Speaker 8: go against Drake May. I just want Drake May weapons

2242
01:43:45,434 --> 01:43:48,834
Speaker 8: to be just as good as Caleb Williams weapons. Where's

2243
01:43:48,834 --> 01:43:50,274
Speaker 8: our dj Moore? You know what I'm saying?

2244
01:43:50,554 --> 01:43:51,794
Speaker 4: Where? Where's out of bound?

2245
01:43:51,834 --> 01:43:55,554
Speaker 8: Where Roman? Do's that? Who's that? You know what I mean?

2246
01:43:57,154 --> 01:43:59,634
Speaker 8: Let's even the paddle, let's even the battlefleel here, you

2247
01:43:59,634 --> 01:44:02,034
Speaker 8: know what I mean? Because Drake don't have those weapons.

2248
01:44:02,114 --> 01:44:04,514
Speaker 4: Man, he don't, No, he doesn't. Just I mean I

2249
01:44:04,554 --> 01:44:05,354
Speaker 4: would like to see that.

2250
01:44:05,474 --> 01:44:07,234
Speaker 8: I just want the team to be eaten. I mean

2251
01:44:07,474 --> 01:44:08,194
Speaker 8: on both ends.

2252
01:44:09,154 --> 01:44:13,554
Speaker 4: I just I just don't know. You can't talk, you

2253
01:44:13,634 --> 01:44:17,474
Speaker 4: gotta you know. I don't know, Like who is defending

2254
01:44:18,994 --> 01:44:22,154
Speaker 4: the refusal to get an offensive tackle as an example,

2255
01:44:22,274 --> 01:44:27,434
Speaker 4: something I've railed against it and gotten killed for on Twitter. Right,

2256
01:44:27,514 --> 01:44:29,594
Speaker 4: who's defending the fact that they don't have any tackles.

2257
01:44:30,314 --> 01:44:32,114
Speaker 4: Who's defending Elliott Wolf period.

2258
01:44:32,794 --> 01:44:35,314
Speaker 7: This is something that I feel like has happened this

2259
01:44:35,514 --> 01:44:38,474
Speaker 7: year that I've seen this turn that people think that

2260
01:44:38,634 --> 01:44:41,914
Speaker 7: people like us in the media are like going easy

2261
01:44:42,434 --> 01:44:45,794
Speaker 7: on Mayo and on Elliott Wolf. And I don't think

2262
01:44:45,834 --> 01:44:48,274
Speaker 7: we are, first of all, but I would say, just second, like,

2263
01:44:49,154 --> 01:44:50,794
Speaker 7: it's been one off season.

2264
01:44:51,154 --> 01:44:54,074
Speaker 4: So yeah, but it hasn't been good. It hasn't been good.

2265
01:44:54,074 --> 01:44:56,354
Speaker 7: I don't know anyone who says it has been right,

2266
01:44:56,394 --> 01:44:58,714
Speaker 7: and we've all said exactly what you're saying. But my

2267
01:44:58,874 --> 01:45:01,594
Speaker 7: point is is like, you know, no, he doesn't have

2268
01:45:02,274 --> 01:45:05,194
Speaker 7: all these weapons, but I am willing to at least

2269
01:45:05,234 --> 01:45:09,514
Speaker 7: give them another year in another off season to try

2270
01:45:09,554 --> 01:45:11,634
Speaker 7: to put those pieces around him because they needed to

2271
01:45:11,754 --> 01:45:14,394
Speaker 7: use their top draft pick on the quarterback this time around.

2272
01:45:14,754 --> 01:45:16,914
Speaker 7: So let's see what they do eventually in two to

2273
01:45:16,994 --> 01:45:19,594
Speaker 7: three years, if it's still where we're at, then they're

2274
01:45:19,594 --> 01:45:21,153
Speaker 7: going to be looking for new leadership.

2275
01:45:21,314 --> 01:45:24,074
Speaker 4: Like it's that simple. Yeah, Just speaking for myself, the

2276
01:45:24,154 --> 01:45:26,874
Speaker 4: only one that I'm so of easy on is me,

2277
01:45:28,194 --> 01:45:30,634
Speaker 4: Like I accentuate the plays that he makes, not the

2278
01:45:30,714 --> 01:45:31,114
Speaker 4: ones that he.

2279
01:45:31,154 --> 01:45:32,914
Speaker 6: Doesn't let me ask, I'm just posing this.

2280
01:45:32,994 --> 01:45:34,954
Speaker 4: I'm guilty of that. I'm just posing this.

2281
01:45:35,194 --> 01:45:37,114
Speaker 6: I hope I don't get walked out of the building

2282
01:45:37,154 --> 01:45:42,194
Speaker 6: after I say this, but walked. I'm assuming that over

2283
01:45:42,274 --> 01:45:44,794
Speaker 6: the past four or five years that haven't been good here,

2284
01:45:45,474 --> 01:45:50,113
Speaker 6: that Robert Kraft knows who's been actually picking these players,

2285
01:45:51,274 --> 01:45:56,234
Speaker 6: Like we all assume it's Bill, right, But what if,

2286
01:45:56,474 --> 01:46:00,434
Speaker 6: like Bill was actually collaborating, What if he was listening

2287
01:46:00,474 --> 01:46:04,514
Speaker 6: to Matt Grow and Elliott Wolf? Would Craft know that?

2288
01:46:04,754 --> 01:46:08,594
Speaker 6: Would Craft know that? Yeah, you know, Cole Strange really

2289
01:46:08,754 --> 01:46:11,274
Speaker 6: was a Matt Grow pick. It wasn't Bill, Like does

2290
01:46:11,354 --> 01:46:14,714
Speaker 6: he know that? And if he did know that, would

2291
01:46:14,754 --> 01:46:18,834
Speaker 6: Elliott Will still be here or would he have kicked

2292
01:46:18,914 --> 01:46:21,674
Speaker 6: him out the door with Bill Belichick.

2293
01:46:21,954 --> 01:46:25,394
Speaker 4: So I'm hoping that the fact that Elliott.

2294
01:46:25,034 --> 01:46:28,074
Speaker 6: Will and Matt Grow are still here means that they

2295
01:46:28,234 --> 01:46:30,954
Speaker 6: really didn't have as much say as you would have

2296
01:46:31,034 --> 01:46:32,354
Speaker 6: hoped in the past.

2297
01:46:32,554 --> 01:46:33,314
Speaker 4: But I don't know that.

2298
01:46:33,834 --> 01:46:37,274
Speaker 6: I don't know that, but I'm hoping Robert Kraft does. Yeah,

2299
01:46:37,634 --> 01:46:37,994
Speaker 6: I mean, I.

2300
01:46:38,394 --> 01:46:41,074
Speaker 5: Think I talked a little about this last week where

2301
01:46:41,394 --> 01:46:43,234
Speaker 5: you don't know for sure, but it's I think you

2302
01:46:43,274 --> 01:46:45,514
Speaker 5: know to your point, Fred, if you knew that Taekwon,

2303
01:46:45,594 --> 01:46:47,994
Speaker 5: Thornton and Cole Strange were pound the table picks for

2304
01:46:48,994 --> 01:46:51,194
Speaker 5: when Bill was allowing people, you know, I mean, it

2305
01:46:51,354 --> 01:46:53,434
Speaker 5: never came out that he was allowing these guys to

2306
01:46:53,554 --> 01:46:56,794
Speaker 5: really rise up and make decisions like that. But you know,

2307
01:46:56,874 --> 01:46:58,834
Speaker 5: it is part of like the scouting department. It's a

2308
01:46:58,874 --> 01:47:01,114
Speaker 5: whole department, you know, And I feel like it's it's

2309
01:47:01,194 --> 01:47:03,474
Speaker 5: there's a machine and it kind of like kicks it

2310
01:47:03,594 --> 01:47:05,034
Speaker 5: up from the bottom and all of a sudden, the

2311
01:47:05,074 --> 01:47:06,994
Speaker 5: handful of names come up, and then you know it's

2312
01:47:07,074 --> 01:47:07,754
Speaker 5: up to the guys at that.

2313
01:47:08,034 --> 01:47:10,954
Speaker 6: I'm sure they all build that board together. Yeah, and

2314
01:47:11,074 --> 01:47:13,394
Speaker 6: that's the board that they go by. But like, look,

2315
01:47:13,594 --> 01:47:16,914
Speaker 6: the bottom line though, is that how many years have

2316
01:47:16,994 --> 01:47:17,914
Speaker 6: we had bad drafts?

2317
01:47:17,954 --> 01:47:20,834
Speaker 5: And that's just the lifeblood of the franchise. And as

2318
01:47:20,914 --> 01:47:22,954
Speaker 5: much as you want to give Elliot Wolf time like

2319
01:47:23,354 --> 01:47:26,314
Speaker 5: time is running out because there's no draft picks from

2320
01:47:26,314 --> 01:47:28,794
Speaker 5: the last couple of years that that you can really salvage.

2321
01:47:28,874 --> 01:47:31,274
Speaker 5: So you know, if these if this draft ends up

2322
01:47:31,314 --> 01:47:32,914
Speaker 5: being as bad as it looks right now, which it

2323
01:47:32,994 --> 01:47:34,594
Speaker 5: might not, I mean, you know, guys might come back.

2324
01:47:34,634 --> 01:47:35,874
Speaker 5: It's it's certainly possible.

2325
01:47:37,194 --> 01:47:39,634
Speaker 4: But that's it's it's it's hard. It's gonna be hard.

2326
01:47:39,794 --> 01:47:41,794
Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard for them to you know, come

2327
01:47:41,834 --> 01:47:43,794
Speaker 5: out of just getting Drake May out of their first draft.

2328
01:47:43,914 --> 01:47:45,634
Speaker 6: I just it just the.

2329
01:47:45,714 --> 01:47:49,194
Speaker 7: Optimistic view is just that this coming up off season,

2330
01:47:49,514 --> 01:47:51,714
Speaker 7: they're gonna have a boatload of cap space and they're

2331
01:47:51,754 --> 01:47:53,994
Speaker 7: probably gonna have high draft picks in each round. Again,

2332
01:47:54,474 --> 01:47:57,674
Speaker 7: maybe they even get to negotiate a trade down scenario

2333
01:47:58,274 --> 01:47:59,794
Speaker 7: at the top of the draft because they don't need

2334
01:47:59,834 --> 01:48:02,394
Speaker 7: a quarterback and they're gonna have a lot of resources

2335
01:48:02,474 --> 01:48:05,194
Speaker 7: at their fingertips. That I think this year, as much

2336
01:48:05,234 --> 01:48:07,754
Speaker 7: as you know, it frustrates us, it frustrates William And

2337
01:48:08,474 --> 01:48:11,234
Speaker 7: this year was kind of a reset year. Like let's see,

2338
01:48:11,634 --> 01:48:13,794
Speaker 7: let's take the quarterback because he fell in our laps,

2339
01:48:13,874 --> 01:48:15,754
Speaker 7: but let's see, you know what the rest of this

2340
01:48:15,954 --> 01:48:19,234
Speaker 7: roster looks like. And you know, just as a draft person,

2341
01:48:19,714 --> 01:48:23,194
Speaker 7: like I don't really Leiden Robinson not working out in

2342
01:48:23,274 --> 01:48:25,634
Speaker 7: the fourth round, Like I'm not gonna kill for it.

2343
01:48:25,714 --> 01:48:28,794
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna like Jalen Polk is a fair second guest.

2344
01:48:28,914 --> 01:48:31,274
Speaker 7: That's one, but like I just look at some of

2345
01:48:31,314 --> 01:48:33,354
Speaker 7: these other picks, and it's just like, if you're counting

2346
01:48:33,434 --> 01:48:36,314
Speaker 7: on fourth and fifth and sixth and seventh round picks,

2347
01:48:36,554 --> 01:48:42,034
Speaker 7: like turning the tide here, then we're gonna be Robert Kraft.

2348
01:48:42,114 --> 01:48:46,674
Speaker 6: And if I don't already know the answer this last offseason,

2349
01:48:46,794 --> 01:48:49,914
Speaker 6: I'm asking grow in Wolf, how did you feel about

2350
01:48:49,954 --> 01:48:51,594
Speaker 6: the last four years? Were you on board?

2351
01:48:51,714 --> 01:48:51,754
Speaker 15: Like?

2352
01:48:51,914 --> 01:48:54,634
Speaker 6: What what would you have done in that first round

2353
01:48:54,714 --> 01:48:57,314
Speaker 6: three years ago? What would you in the second round?

2354
01:48:57,354 --> 01:49:00,954
Speaker 6: You know, like, and obviously now it's easy for Wolf

2355
01:49:00,994 --> 01:49:04,114
Speaker 6: to say cold strange. The Rams were right to laugh

2356
01:49:04,154 --> 01:49:08,394
Speaker 6: at us, you know, but like, I hope he knows

2357
01:49:08,434 --> 01:49:10,113
Speaker 6: the real answer to those questions.

2358
01:49:10,194 --> 01:49:13,554
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean the last two drafts they've picked,

2359
01:49:13,954 --> 01:49:17,114
Speaker 7: obviously Drake and Christian Gonzales with their first round picks.

2360
01:49:17,314 --> 01:49:20,394
Speaker 7: I think those are both goods first round picks.

2361
01:49:20,554 --> 01:49:22,914
Speaker 6: Yeah, But if you're gonna give them credit for Gonzales

2362
01:49:23,034 --> 01:49:25,834
Speaker 6: last year, then do you give them that?

2363
01:49:26,234 --> 01:49:29,314
Speaker 7: I know, I'm just saying, like, it's more about like

2364
01:49:29,474 --> 01:49:33,154
Speaker 7: the fact that not every draft pick is going to

2365
01:49:33,194 --> 01:49:35,754
Speaker 7: work out, of course not, and lucky to get two

2366
01:49:35,834 --> 01:49:38,154
Speaker 7: good ones, right, So the fact of the matter is

2367
01:49:38,354 --> 01:49:40,434
Speaker 7: is that like they come out of this draft and

2368
01:49:40,554 --> 01:49:44,354
Speaker 7: Drake is a franchise quarterback. This entire draft has a

2369
01:49:44,394 --> 01:49:47,594
Speaker 7: success like they I don't the rest of the draft

2370
01:49:47,634 --> 01:49:50,154
Speaker 7: picks could all be busted. But if Drake May is

2371
01:49:50,194 --> 01:49:53,074
Speaker 7: a franchise quarterback, then then they did their job.

2372
01:49:55,274 --> 01:49:56,514
Speaker 6: I think that's being generous.

2373
01:49:56,634 --> 01:50:00,754
Speaker 4: I mean, the most important thing is absolutely what have

2374
01:50:00,794 --> 01:50:04,234
Speaker 4: been said. It's not so much like if Jalen Polk

2375
01:50:04,274 --> 01:50:06,474
Speaker 4: and Javon Baker neither one of them can play.

2376
01:50:06,514 --> 01:50:10,034
Speaker 6: Right, that's a bad and that's and that's different than well,

2377
01:50:10,114 --> 01:50:13,034
Speaker 6: Poke isn't as good as we hope we're talking about if.

2378
01:50:14,034 --> 01:50:17,594
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying he's Taekwon Thornton or Aaron dobbson, you know,

2379
01:50:17,674 --> 01:50:18,834
Speaker 4: one of these other second.

2380
01:50:18,634 --> 01:50:21,874
Speaker 6: Round with Jackson and you know, like I go back

2381
01:50:21,914 --> 01:50:25,674
Speaker 6: to Cole Strange, that was an overreach that I don't

2382
01:50:25,754 --> 01:50:28,554
Speaker 6: know who'se pick that was. But you didn't need to

2383
01:50:28,714 --> 01:50:33,074
Speaker 6: do that, you know, two or three rounds later.

2384
01:50:33,354 --> 01:50:36,914
Speaker 4: Obviously, if the quarterback hits, I can make up for

2385
01:50:36,994 --> 01:50:39,714
Speaker 4: that bad draft, sure, you know, so I can. I

2386
01:50:40,034 --> 01:50:43,554
Speaker 4: have the talent in place. Now, Okay, I missed with

2387
01:50:44,874 --> 01:50:47,114
Speaker 4: your team, b if you had you know, but yeah,

2388
01:50:47,154 --> 01:50:49,114
Speaker 4: but but he's going to allow you the chance to

2389
01:50:49,474 --> 01:50:51,354
Speaker 4: erase it and do a duel over and say, Okay,

2390
01:50:51,474 --> 01:50:54,514
Speaker 4: I was wrong that time, But now I got these

2391
01:50:54,554 --> 01:50:56,714
Speaker 4: guys that are gonna let's.

2392
01:50:56,594 --> 01:51:00,434
Speaker 7: Just see what their offseason looks like when it's not

2393
01:51:00,554 --> 01:51:02,674
Speaker 7: their first year on the job and they're taking over

2394
01:51:02,834 --> 01:51:05,954
Speaker 7: Aaron I win football fair enough, and they have the quarterback,

2395
01:51:05,994 --> 01:51:09,114
Speaker 7: they feel like they have him in place. Look as

2396
01:51:09,154 --> 01:51:12,154
Speaker 7: someone that loves the draft and pours over the draft

2397
01:51:12,274 --> 01:51:15,874
Speaker 7: every single year, like predicting what these guys after the

2398
01:51:15,954 --> 01:51:18,234
Speaker 7: top fifty are going to turn out to be it

2399
01:51:18,514 --> 01:51:21,834
Speaker 7: is really, really, really hard. So I do have some

2400
01:51:22,074 --> 01:51:24,234
Speaker 7: grace with that because I try.

2401
01:51:24,074 --> 01:51:24,314
Speaker 15: To do it.

2402
01:51:24,674 --> 01:51:27,554
Speaker 6: I am not on the fire Elliott Wolf bandwagon. I'm

2403
01:51:27,634 --> 01:51:30,234
Speaker 6: with you, let's see what he does this offseason. But

2404
01:51:30,394 --> 01:51:32,314
Speaker 6: I would like to know the answer to the question,

2405
01:51:33,034 --> 01:51:35,794
Speaker 6: how on board were the guys that are still here

2406
01:51:36,354 --> 01:51:38,394
Speaker 6: with what's happened in the last four years and what

2407
01:51:38,554 --> 01:51:41,914
Speaker 6: really did happen? What was it like, you know, when

2408
01:51:41,954 --> 01:51:45,954
Speaker 6: Bill they when they chose Mac Jones and Bill says,

2409
01:51:46,234 --> 01:51:48,234
Speaker 6: you know, almost to the camera, you know, we're all

2410
01:51:48,354 --> 01:51:51,154
Speaker 6: on board with this. Was that a snide kind of

2411
01:51:51,234 --> 01:51:55,234
Speaker 6: shot at Robert Kraft or was he really more collaborative

2412
01:51:55,314 --> 01:51:57,914
Speaker 6: those days. I don't know, but I would like to know.

2413
01:51:58,314 --> 01:52:01,154
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not like trying to purposely defend Elliott Wolf.

2414
01:52:01,314 --> 01:52:04,794
Speaker 7: I just I just feel like, you know, the biggest

2415
01:52:04,834 --> 01:52:07,234
Speaker 7: thing to me is that they have the quarterback now

2416
01:52:07,794 --> 01:52:11,354
Speaker 7: and moving forward everything can be about now building the

2417
01:52:11,474 --> 01:52:14,714
Speaker 7: roster around the QB. So all of your resources can

2418
01:52:14,794 --> 01:52:18,554
Speaker 7: now be thrown at those problems. So let's give him

2419
01:52:18,554 --> 01:52:21,234
Speaker 7: an off season to see, you know, when he has money,

2420
01:52:21,274 --> 01:52:24,074
Speaker 7: when he has draft capital to add a top receiver,

2421
01:52:24,274 --> 01:52:26,834
Speaker 7: to add a left tack, to add another pass rusher. Like,

2422
01:52:27,194 --> 01:52:30,474
Speaker 7: if he whiffs on everything, or whiffs on most of it,

2423
01:52:30,634 --> 01:52:33,154
Speaker 7: then we're gonna be talking about general managers.

2424
01:52:33,274 --> 01:52:36,914
Speaker 6: Just as important, I think as the draft is how

2425
01:52:36,954 --> 01:52:38,874
Speaker 6: does he get free agency in here? How does he

2426
01:52:39,074 --> 01:52:42,034
Speaker 6: lure them into this team that is probably gonna at

2427
01:52:42,074 --> 01:52:44,994
Speaker 6: best win four games this year? How does he get

2428
01:52:45,034 --> 01:52:46,234
Speaker 6: these free agents to come here?

2429
01:52:46,474 --> 01:52:51,274
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were talking to Yeah, absolutely, but.

2430
01:52:51,474 --> 01:52:54,874
Speaker 5: He needs home runs. He needs home runs games. I

2431
01:52:54,874 --> 01:52:57,714
Speaker 5: think everything you guys said is true. But at a

2432
01:52:57,794 --> 01:53:00,314
Speaker 5: certain point, you can't just hit one player every offseason.

2433
01:53:00,354 --> 01:53:00,914
Speaker 4: And we got that.

2434
01:53:01,114 --> 01:53:03,114
Speaker 5: We like, he has to hit a bunch of home

2435
01:53:03,154 --> 01:53:07,434
Speaker 5: runs next spring. Like free agency, you know, when we

2436
01:53:07,514 --> 01:53:09,634
Speaker 5: knew we were going to build around the cornerback quarterback

2437
01:53:09,754 --> 01:53:12,114
Speaker 5: last year, you still missed on a guard and a

2438
01:53:12,194 --> 01:53:14,234
Speaker 5: tackle and maybe two receivers.

2439
01:53:14,314 --> 01:53:18,474
Speaker 27: Like I get, I mean, I get, but like if

2440
01:53:18,514 --> 01:53:20,754
Speaker 27: it turns out, I'm sorry. My confidence is not high

2441
01:53:20,834 --> 01:53:22,954
Speaker 27: right now. So I'm based on what we've seen over

2442
01:53:22,994 --> 01:53:24,394
Speaker 27: the last year. My confidence is not.

2443
01:53:24,554 --> 01:53:27,074
Speaker 4: You're not to not have confidence. I just want to

2444
01:53:27,114 --> 01:53:29,314
Speaker 4: be fair because I've been one of these guys, Like

2445
01:53:29,954 --> 01:53:32,034
Speaker 4: you know, a guy will you know, have a good

2446
01:53:32,074 --> 01:53:34,114
Speaker 4: game in his third or fourth game, and we just

2447
01:53:34,954 --> 01:53:37,074
Speaker 4: they got him set. I mean, people were saying it

2448
01:53:37,154 --> 01:53:40,394
Speaker 4: about polk off of the summer right nothing even in

2449
01:53:40,474 --> 01:53:43,954
Speaker 4: the preseason games. It was just training camp. Yeah, people

2450
01:53:43,994 --> 01:53:46,314
Speaker 4: were penciling them in as as like that, and now

2451
01:53:46,354 --> 01:53:49,234
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I think it's gone completely the

2452
01:53:49,314 --> 01:53:52,394
Speaker 4: other way where he's got no chance to rebound from this.

2453
01:53:52,954 --> 01:53:54,594
Speaker 4: You know, I saw there was a thing on Twitter

2454
01:53:54,714 --> 01:53:58,114
Speaker 4: today that had him like one hundred and twenty seventh

2455
01:53:58,154 --> 01:54:00,794
Speaker 4: out of one hundred and twenty seven qualifying receivers on

2456
01:54:00,954 --> 01:54:03,954
Speaker 4: PFF in terms of like three or four different categories

2457
01:54:04,074 --> 01:54:08,034
Speaker 4: like you know, separation and production yards. After you know,

2458
01:54:09,754 --> 01:54:11,834
Speaker 4: the guy's played nine games. He's been in the NFL

2459
01:54:11,874 --> 01:54:15,314
Speaker 4: for nine games, much like I thought it was direction.

2460
01:54:15,554 --> 01:54:17,634
Speaker 4: Und I understand Mike. That's why I said, Mike's not

2461
01:54:17,714 --> 01:54:19,394
Speaker 4: wrong to not have He's.

2462
01:54:19,274 --> 01:54:21,994
Speaker 6: Gonna lose his blog of emeritus badge O.

2463
01:54:22,234 --> 01:54:24,354
Speaker 4: I understand why Mike is not confident in it, But

2464
01:54:24,594 --> 01:54:27,594
Speaker 4: I I thought it was kind of silly to declare

2465
01:54:27,754 --> 01:54:31,634
Speaker 4: him a hit based on him catching some passes in

2466
01:54:31,674 --> 01:54:34,594
Speaker 4: the training camp practices, just like I think it's a

2467
01:54:34,594 --> 01:54:36,834
Speaker 4: little silly now to say there's no way he can

2468
01:54:36,874 --> 01:54:40,194
Speaker 4: bounce back from this, right, He's it's not looked good, right,

2469
01:54:40,514 --> 01:54:40,834
Speaker 4: and and.

2470
01:54:40,954 --> 01:54:43,994
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily have faith. I just have no choice.

2471
01:54:45,514 --> 01:54:47,154
Speaker 7: It's like I'm not sitting here saying that I have

2472
01:54:47,194 --> 01:54:48,634
Speaker 7: all this faith in the world that they're going to

2473
01:54:48,714 --> 01:54:51,394
Speaker 7: do the right thing. But Elliott Wolf is going to

2474
01:54:51,474 --> 01:54:53,834
Speaker 7: be the general manager next offseason. He's going to have

2475
01:54:53,914 --> 01:54:57,194
Speaker 7: one hundred million dollars in cap space, probably a top

2476
01:54:57,314 --> 01:54:59,554
Speaker 7: five pick in the draft, and they're going to give

2477
01:54:59,594 --> 01:55:02,074
Speaker 7: him the keys to go ahead and and and do

2478
01:55:02,274 --> 01:55:04,234
Speaker 7: the thing. So let's see what he does. Like that's

2479
01:55:04,274 --> 01:55:05,354
Speaker 7: all that, That's all we can do.

2480
01:55:05,954 --> 01:55:12,474
Speaker 6: Mike's in Dallas. What's up Mike Michael, Yeah, what's up,

2481
01:55:12,914 --> 01:55:13,754
Speaker 6: trot into the phone.

2482
01:55:14,554 --> 01:55:15,314
Speaker 4: Yes, go for it.

2483
01:55:16,674 --> 01:55:20,874
Speaker 21: Uh So, the NFL trade deadline and the stains traders

2484
01:55:20,914 --> 01:55:23,594
Speaker 21: for marsha On Latimore and seems like the Pats aren't

2485
01:55:23,594 --> 01:55:26,234
Speaker 21: going to do anything too serious. But I don't really

2486
01:55:26,314 --> 01:55:29,634
Speaker 21: understand the thought process behind that. When you have a

2487
01:55:29,794 --> 01:55:31,754
Speaker 21: bad team that you have to just start selling off

2488
01:55:32,354 --> 01:55:34,514
Speaker 21: the few good pieces you have, like a Kindred, like

2489
01:55:35,274 --> 01:55:37,914
Speaker 21: a Kendrick Bourne for example. Why not be more aggressive

2490
01:55:37,954 --> 01:55:40,434
Speaker 21: and go back into the market and try to add

2491
01:55:40,594 --> 01:55:43,514
Speaker 21: talent instead of using draft picks and kind of praying

2492
01:55:43,554 --> 01:55:44,394
Speaker 21: that it worked out.

2493
01:55:44,514 --> 01:55:47,794
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, So we talked about that the other day,

2494
01:55:47,834 --> 01:55:50,354
Speaker 6: and it's a good point. It's just that you if

2495
01:55:50,434 --> 01:55:52,434
Speaker 6: you're a bad team and you're trying to build for

2496
01:55:52,514 --> 01:55:54,474
Speaker 6: the future, you just want to make sure that the

2497
01:55:54,594 --> 01:55:57,194
Speaker 6: talent you add isn't a quick fix, because there is

2498
01:55:57,274 --> 01:55:59,754
Speaker 6: no fix for this year. It's somebody who's going to

2499
01:55:59,754 --> 01:56:02,754
Speaker 6: be part of that rebuilding process. Those guys are probably

2500
01:56:02,794 --> 01:56:04,194
Speaker 6: a little harder to find right now.

2501
01:56:04,234 --> 01:56:06,514
Speaker 4: But that's Evans's thing with Montese Sweat, like you have

2502
01:56:06,674 --> 01:56:08,514
Speaker 4: to you get a guy and then you have to

2503
01:56:08,554 --> 01:56:09,554
Speaker 4: be willing to resign them.

2504
01:56:09,674 --> 01:56:11,514
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think those kind of moves two or more.

2505
01:56:12,034 --> 01:56:13,474
Speaker 5: You kind of have a guy you like, you know,

2506
01:56:13,514 --> 01:56:15,154
Speaker 5: I think we all do the draft. We have like

2507
01:56:15,234 --> 01:56:16,714
Speaker 5: certain guys that you just kind of like you have

2508
01:56:16,754 --> 01:56:18,474
Speaker 5: an eye on him. He's not really working out there,

2509
01:56:18,474 --> 01:56:19,994
Speaker 5: and it's not a name that any of us will.

2510
01:56:21,074 --> 01:56:23,514
Speaker 4: All the time. I wouldn't advocate selling off good piece.

2511
01:56:23,874 --> 01:56:26,474
Speaker 4: I mean, this sound is very harsh, but I don't

2512
01:56:26,474 --> 01:56:29,514
Speaker 4: think they have a lot of good pieces. So like,

2513
01:56:29,634 --> 01:56:32,114
Speaker 4: I'm not advocating like I wouldn't. Let's say that Christian

2514
01:56:32,154 --> 01:56:34,434
Speaker 4: Barbo didn't have his blood clots, I wouldn't say, well,

2515
01:56:34,514 --> 01:56:36,234
Speaker 4: he could get us, he could get us a high

2516
01:56:36,274 --> 01:56:39,074
Speaker 4: draft pick. No, Christian Gonzalez. I'm not interested in trading

2517
01:56:39,154 --> 01:56:44,474
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales. But I'm sorry, Like you're bevy of third

2518
01:56:44,554 --> 01:56:48,114
Speaker 4: slash fourth receivers, if you if if somebody wants one

2519
01:56:48,194 --> 01:56:51,034
Speaker 4: in particular, you can have them if I can get

2520
01:56:51,074 --> 01:56:51,994
Speaker 4: a draft pitchure for him.

2521
01:56:52,114 --> 01:56:54,314
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I thought I think it was a

2522
01:56:54,354 --> 01:56:56,594
Speaker 7: rap sheet like kind of phrased it this way, you know,

2523
01:56:57,034 --> 01:57:02,594
Speaker 7: getting a head start on free agency by trading now instead,

2524
01:57:02,634 --> 01:57:06,114
Speaker 7: And and everybody says, well, you know, Mike Lombardy and

2525
01:57:06,234 --> 01:57:09,554
Speaker 7: Bill were killing that line of thinking. Actually I don't

2526
01:57:09,554 --> 01:57:11,314
Speaker 7: know if Bill was, but Mike Lombardi was, which means

2527
01:57:11,354 --> 01:57:15,794
Speaker 7: Bill was. And Mike Lombardi's point was, well, just sign

2528
01:57:15,874 --> 01:57:18,994
Speaker 7: him in free agency. But it's like, yeah, you're competing

2529
01:57:19,034 --> 01:57:21,594
Speaker 7: with all these other teams, and just like we saw

2530
01:57:21,674 --> 01:57:24,514
Speaker 7: with Calvin Ridley, like he might not pick you, Like

2531
01:57:24,634 --> 01:57:25,114
Speaker 7: what if.

2532
01:57:24,994 --> 01:57:27,634
Speaker 4: You just and I'm not telling you this would happen,

2533
01:57:27,794 --> 01:57:30,074
Speaker 4: but what if there was some way you could go

2534
01:57:30,234 --> 01:57:32,634
Speaker 4: back and you got Calvin Ridley in a trade from

2535
01:57:32,714 --> 01:57:36,434
Speaker 4: Jacksonville at the trade deadline last year and he doesn't

2536
01:57:36,474 --> 01:57:39,074
Speaker 4: want to be with the Patriots, he doesn't really like

2537
01:57:39,354 --> 01:57:41,994
Speaker 4: the idea of being in Foxborough, but you have him

2538
01:57:41,994 --> 01:57:44,794
Speaker 4: in your system for eight eight weeks and he's like,

2539
01:57:45,394 --> 01:57:47,234
Speaker 4: I kind of like the way they do things around here,

2540
01:57:47,834 --> 01:57:48,034
Speaker 4: and I.

2541
01:57:48,034 --> 01:57:49,114
Speaker 6: Have guys is right there.

2542
01:57:49,274 --> 01:57:51,834
Speaker 4: Maybe now he's a little more interested in resigning for you.

2543
01:57:52,034 --> 01:57:56,914
Speaker 4: That's the thought process. If the guy won't re sign

2544
01:57:57,354 --> 01:58:01,234
Speaker 4: with you after you traded for him, then I'm sorry,

2545
01:58:01,314 --> 01:58:03,314
Speaker 4: this very little chance he's going to sign with you

2546
01:58:03,474 --> 01:58:06,234
Speaker 4: as a free agent. So I don't really see what

2547
01:58:06,354 --> 01:58:10,434
Speaker 4: the like the downside is of to use was it crapsheet.

2548
01:58:10,434 --> 01:58:14,394
Speaker 4: You said to use Ian Rappaport's phrase of getting a

2549
01:58:14,514 --> 01:58:17,674
Speaker 4: jump start on free agency. What do you have to lose?

2550
01:58:19,154 --> 01:58:23,114
Speaker 6: Sam's back on North Carolina ohez, I thought he was busy.

2551
01:58:23,474 --> 01:58:24,474
Speaker 4: Call to hang up again?

2552
01:58:24,634 --> 01:58:28,474
Speaker 6: That was Sam, Boston Cream writes, Talk up Drake May,

2553
01:58:28,994 --> 01:58:31,874
Speaker 6: Boston Cream says, May Paul be my guiding light when

2554
01:58:31,954 --> 01:58:34,594
Speaker 6: it comes to the Patriots. When the man speaks about

2555
01:58:34,634 --> 01:58:36,514
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones being one of the biggest threats in the

2556
01:58:36,594 --> 01:58:38,794
Speaker 6: league as a returner, it comes true in front of

2557
01:58:38,874 --> 01:58:42,274
Speaker 6: our eyes. Also, this was a perfect tank game for

2558
01:58:42,354 --> 01:58:45,794
Speaker 6: the Patriots. Drake May shows promise and development while we lose,

2559
01:58:46,074 --> 01:58:49,114
Speaker 6: which will help us kick get him better talent in

2560
01:58:49,234 --> 01:58:49,914
Speaker 6: the off season.

2561
01:58:50,514 --> 01:58:52,594
Speaker 4: Tanking for tackle nothing like that.

2562
01:58:53,154 --> 01:58:54,434
Speaker 5: I don't think twelve.

2563
01:58:54,474 --> 01:58:57,834
Speaker 4: I don't think you need to tank anymore. I'd love

2564
01:58:57,874 --> 01:59:00,914
Speaker 4: I'd love to tell you all the you know bows

2565
01:59:00,954 --> 01:59:02,754
Speaker 4: that I should be able to take with Marcus Jones,

2566
01:59:02,794 --> 01:59:06,274
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry, the guy's been. The guy's been elite

2567
01:59:06,594 --> 01:59:09,394
Speaker 4: at that skill since he's been in the league. It's

2568
01:59:09,434 --> 01:59:11,194
Speaker 4: not something that I uncovered.

2569
01:59:11,474 --> 01:59:13,954
Speaker 6: Jacket and Abbas says, did Elliott Wolf make a mistake

2570
01:59:14,034 --> 01:59:17,514
Speaker 6: by not drafting Lad McConkey. You know my answer might have.

2571
01:59:19,034 --> 01:59:21,194
Speaker 4: I mean he's been more productive than Jalen pol.

2572
01:59:21,114 --> 01:59:22,994
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd have to trade it up, probably to get

2573
01:59:24,394 --> 01:59:24,834
Speaker 6: to stay.

2574
01:59:24,674 --> 01:59:25,154
Speaker 4: Where you're working.

2575
01:59:26,074 --> 01:59:26,954
Speaker 7: Original draft pick.

2576
01:59:27,034 --> 01:59:30,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh I thought that he was picked earlier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we moved out of a spot.

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Speaker 6: Oh we moved out right right. Okay, that's going to

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Speaker 6: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be

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Speaker 6: back tomorrow at noon with another edition. Uh, trade deadlines,

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Speaker 6: got another couple hours. We'll see what happens. I doubt

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Speaker 6: much when it comes from the Patriots side, but we'll see.

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Speaker 4: You never know my pick up justin Jefferson, You never know.

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Speaker 6: All right, we'll talk to you tomorrow maybe Jordan As.

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