1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond 12 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: Contact looks for theatest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 15 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: Hi and welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, 16 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: and today we will be picking up where we left 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: off with Benny Foggin. Benny has an interesting story of 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: recovering a piece of a UFO that he and his 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: wife Patsy witnessed. He has been trying to get it 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: tested to see if he can prove at the very 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: least that it comes from an off planet source. Benny 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: was telling us how he and these high profile individuals 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: like Tom DeLong and Chris Bledsoe and even Louelizondo and 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: others have seen it. I think this is a very 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: important part of the story, as it shows there must 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: be something here to keep commanding the attention of so 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: many high profile individuals. As Benny has stated, this adventure 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: started over thirty years ago when they first recovered the piece. 29 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: So today I'm going to pick it up with Benny 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: and his metal material being tested at our lab, and 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: he's going to show us how difficult this journey has been. 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: And I can feel for him. He has to trust 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: everyone every step of the way, and in many cases 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: he's had to pay for testing out of his own pocket. 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: It does fascinate me being put in that position of 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: having something so rare such as this and like all 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: of us, really having no idea what to do with it. So, 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: so what do they want to do with you? Do 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: they do? They want to do? They want to test 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: the metal? Now what happens? 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: Yes, they did. They wanted to test it and the 42 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: samples and uh, there's a film that they did. Uh 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 4: that's on to the stars on their Adam Adam project 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: I think they called it. Where they picked it up 45 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: from our house took it to uh Texas. Polo lou 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 4: Elizondo told us that when they picked up our metal, 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: that they were followed by UFO all the way down 48 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: to the lab and and he said he was actually 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: fearful of that something bad was going to happen because 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: of what was going on. 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 3: Wow, that's interesting. Okay. So they drive the thing from 52 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: your house, they hand drive it all the way to Austin, 53 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: and they're going to give it a help put off 54 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: to take a look at and study it, right right, Okay, 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: so what's he come up with? Two weeks? 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: Okay? Now, Tom DeLong told me that they wanted it 57 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: for two weeks. Okay, two weeks turned into five years? 58 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: No way? 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah anyway? 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: Uh and you're you're you're calling them and reaching out 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: to hey, can I get my metal back? And it 62 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: doesn't come back? 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: Right? Well, oh my lord, this is what happened. Okay, 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: about two three weeks after they took it, I get 65 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: a telephone call from Tom DeLong and louel Azondo and 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: they're all excited, and Tom DeLong says, we got your 67 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: medal to levitate, and it's giving off a E MF signal, 68 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 4: and we have this and test it for a longer 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 4: period of time. Now, we already knew that that it 70 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: had cloaking of abilities, and we knew that it was 71 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: giving off a E MF signal, which is something weird 72 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: with within itself for sure. And and and now they're 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 4: telling me that it levitates. And he turned around and 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: he goes, you, your medal is the first one we've 75 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 4: been able to get this to do that. He goes, 76 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: no matter what any any anybody else's comes up to 77 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: do that, he ges, you guys are the first ones 78 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: that actually levitates and and has that EM signal coming from. Now, 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: he didn't mention it. They didn't mention the cloaking. Okay, 80 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: but I already knew that, right and I told him 81 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: about it. 82 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: And you witnessed that firsthand, right, right. 83 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: So So after they got after I gave him permission 84 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: to do that, Louel Azando came to our house by 85 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 4: hisself and wanted me to sign some papers to give 86 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: him permission to fill that film where they picked it 87 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 4: up and took it and then all that which I 88 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: never gave him a permission to do anything else, just 89 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: just the film part. Okay. So I went ahead and 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: did that. And then after they had it for a while, naturally, 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: I kept saying, well, have you guys had this for 92 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: a long time? You know what's going on? And uh, 93 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 4: they gave me a lot of excuses, and but I 94 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: want ahead and let them let them have it. 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: So what's what's next do they do? Do they finally 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: say we're going to give it back to you? Or 97 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: and are they keeping you in the loop? Are they 98 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: checking in with you and saying, hey, look here's what 99 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: we found. 100 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 4: They wouldn't tell me nothing after that, they uh, outside 101 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: of one thing. They said that it needed more testing 102 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: done and they didn't have the equipment to do it, 103 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 4: and they was going to get the government involved in it. 104 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: And uh, Lou called me up and he had the 105 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: uh the people in charge of the lab, the military 106 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: lab out of Michigan, and I got to talk with him. 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: He turned around and uh, I believe the man's name 108 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: was Cannon. Okay, And there's and there's more than just 109 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 4: one of them. There was some military people involved. That 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 4: was there in that conversation also, but I got to 111 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: talk to him and he started telling me about how 112 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: transparent they were going to be. Now they is going 113 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 4: to give all this information out to the world and 114 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: all this other stuff. And when he started saying that, 115 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: I go, uh, I go whoa, whoa, whoa. 116 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: Wait a minute, I go, I'm not stupid. I said, 117 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: now you're gonna you're you're telling me that something of 118 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 5: this metal has cloaking abilities, has a mysterious em if 119 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 5: signal coming from it, and it levitates. And they told 120 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 5: me that they applied some type of electricity to it, 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 5: but they didn't tell me what tight to make it levitate. 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 4: I said, so you're going to get all this and 123 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: turn around and give all this information to Russia and 124 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 4: China and everybody else out there, right man? That guy 125 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 4: got mad at me when I said that, and he goes, no, 126 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: we're not going to do that. He goes, what we're 127 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: going to do. He says, we're going to classify it. 128 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: We're not giving out that kind of information. And I go, now, 129 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: you're making sense, right, But. 130 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: It seems like they were implying that they were going 131 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: to be transparent with at least you so that you 132 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: would be in the loop. 133 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: He said, they was given down all that information to 134 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: the world. Wow, you see the way he said. That's 135 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: why I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. 136 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I said, yeah, because that doesn't seem 137 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: to have happened. So once they classify it, is that 138 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: when they shut down telling you anything. 139 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: Yep, exactly. Oh boy, they're even telling them lies about 140 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: all of this stuff now, you see. But we have 141 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: a documentation written documentation from to the Stars that they 142 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 4: did test it and so forth and so on. We 143 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: can back up everything that we're saying. 144 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a lot of good documentation on all 145 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: of these things. 146 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: Yep. 147 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: The documentation is important to have, and I'm so glad 148 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: you saved everything. I looked at it, Bennie, and I 149 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: just wish I knew anything about metallurgy so it would 150 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: mean more to me. Right now, I feel like I'm 151 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: looking at how to build a combustion engine in another language. 152 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to ask Benny about 153 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: how and when he got the metal back and where 154 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: he took it. Next. You're listening to Beyond Contact on 155 00:09:50,440 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 156 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Benny Foggin 157 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: about the meta material that he recovered from his driveway 158 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: back in the nineties after witnessing a UFO with his wife. So, Bennie, 159 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 3: I must say, I am really impressed that you haven't 160 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: gotten too discouraged about trying to get to the bottom 161 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: of what this metal is. I think I may have 162 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: given up on it by now, after seeing how long 163 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: everyone keeps it and how hard it is to get 164 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: it back each time would stress me out and discourage 165 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: me from continuing to pursue this. Just having to jump 166 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: through all these hoops would have ended the pursuit for 167 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: many of us. I believe, I know you want this 168 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: to help our government and help our military, as well 169 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: as validate your own story. But still I find it 170 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 3: impressed of that you've remained patient each time, and when 171 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 3: you do get it back, you then keep pursuing new 172 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: avenues to get it checked out. You keep at it, 173 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: and you keep trying to find a new place with 174 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: more information. So then where's it going? They did they 175 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: finally give it back to you? 176 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: You know what happened was lou Elesondo palmmed among and 177 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: then have fallen out. You've probably heard about all that, 178 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: mm hmmm, and Lou lift. And when Lu lift, he 179 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 4: made them send me that piece back to me. But 180 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: what they did was they threw it in a box 181 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: and meld it to me. And we had an agreement 182 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: that they're supposed to hand deliberate back to me just 183 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: like the way they picked it up. They didn't do that. 184 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: And when I got the medal back where I was 185 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: telling you about all the red metal with the spots yep, 186 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: and all that they drilled out about thirty different places 187 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: where that red metal is that they've drilled it all out, 188 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: and they'd left a bunch of lit holes all through 189 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: the middle. It took took out all the red metal. 190 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: Which this seems to be the special stuff. The red 191 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: metal seems to be where the. 192 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: Lu Milisondo told me that the the red medal was 193 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: the super Wow medal, Wow Wow medal. 194 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: That's interesting. Uh, the wild metal we've got the Wow signal. 195 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: That's interesting. Now does Lou so Lou does get that 196 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: back for you, which is great? Now, does he come 197 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: to you and he wants to take it to arrow? No? 198 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 4: This was uh let's see the eighteen nineteen twenty one 199 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: to two three. 200 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, as you said they had it five years in 201 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. Is when when two of the Stars took 202 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 3: five years later, it's now twenty twenty three, right, and 203 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: finally get it back in the mail. What happens next? 204 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kept in contact with Lou because Lou was 205 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: upset with the way that they handled all this, and 206 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: Lou said that they classified it and he and Lou 207 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: was a transparent type person, wanted everything out in the open, 208 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: and he wanted the world to know what this metal 209 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 4: did and what it was capable of doing. And he 210 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: was trying to get around them classifying it, and they 211 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: said that the way we can do that is to 212 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: get the metal and have it tested from an outside source, okay, 213 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: and give the results of it at that time. From that, 214 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: that's when Gary Nolan, Professor Gary Nolan out of Stamper 215 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: got involved. We zoom talks with them and he agreed 216 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 4: to test it outside of the lot of tested at Stamper. 217 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: And what I think happened was that he was working 218 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: with to the stars. Gary Nolan was and jop Delay 219 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: was as advisors and so forth, so on with to 220 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: the stars. He didn't realize who we were when he 221 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: first talked with us. Then when he found out that 222 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: we was the people that they classified metal on, he 223 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: backed out of it. 224 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: Because it's classified. He knows he can't talk about it. Yeah, 225 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: it wants no part of it. Okay, Right, That's what 226 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: happened with him. So then what happens next? What do 227 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: you do with it? Now? You so at least you 228 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: have the metal back. It's twenty twenty three. Nolan's out 229 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: does does does? Lou say, let's take it to another lab. 230 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: What what comes up next? 231 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: Well, he comes up with the government era. 232 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the brand new Arrow Yeah, division for for 233 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: the US government. Yep. 234 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 4: And UH made contact with him. I can't remember the 235 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 4: guy's name. It was in charge at that time, Kirkpatrick. Yeah, 236 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: and uh he uh wanted to test out the medal. See. 237 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: I talked with them and talked with he left at 238 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: the time. Uh, and I was talking with a colonel 239 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: from A A R O. Okay. Also, we're kind of 240 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 4: forgetting something here. Lou and Mellon Chris Mellan two of 241 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 4: the results of our medal to Congress and presented the 242 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: results of it and closed door hearings to Congress to 243 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: the Senate, and I was told that it went all 244 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: the way up to Trump. Wow, and so closed door. 245 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: So it was all that's when they had those all 246 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: those guy pilots and stuff going in there talking about 247 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: what they had. So everything was top secret. So anyway, 248 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: this colonel from aa RO said that he had a 249 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: top secret clearance and he could get all these reports 250 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: and all this other stuff, but he still wanted to 251 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 4: test our metal. And then he came back and he 252 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 4: turned around, told me that they didn't have the money 253 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 4: to do it. Come on, that he'd have to pay 254 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: the labs to do the testing and stuff. And they 255 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: didn't have that Congress saying that they're going to do 256 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: all this stuff. But they never gave him no money. 257 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 258 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that conversation stopped at that. 259 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: This is February of twenty twenty four when you spoke 260 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: with colonel Can we say his name? Yeah, it's Kelsey Barnett. 261 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, old age, And that's you. 262 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: Spoke to him on February twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. 263 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: And this is what he tells you that. So now 264 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: what happens, So it's like you one roadblock after another, right, Benny. 265 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. He said that that they was going to 266 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: get all this information to get back, and he had 267 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: a lab. He said, oh, now we got a lab 268 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 4: people working for us, and I'm going to have my 269 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: technician to talk to you. And it was a lady. 270 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 4: She called up and asked him us questions and asked 271 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: she had permission to get a chunk of the metal 272 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: and to destroy it within the and I go, yeah, 273 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: I got plenty of that metal. You know, it was 274 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 4: a pretty good sized jump. And so I said, you 275 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: guys can do all that, and she's supposed to call back, 276 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: and they never got back with me at that time. 277 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: Hm, we need to take a quick break there, Benny. 278 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: I feel your frustration each step of the way. It 279 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: seems like you don't immediately get the metal back. That 280 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: would drive me crazy, not to mention the damage everyone 281 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: seems to be doing to it from their testing, whether 282 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: they're drilling through it or they're shaving off bits or whatnot. 283 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: We come back, We're going to ask Benny, how much 284 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: of it is even left. You're listening to Beyond Contact 285 00:18:41,600 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 286 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with 287 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: Manny Foggin about the meta material that he's been taking 288 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: around the country getting tested here and there. So it 289 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: seems to me, based on the very first piece of 290 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 3: chunk you pulled out of the driveway, there's been a 291 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: lot of different groups who have taken little pieces and 292 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 3: drilled little pieces and cut pieces off. What percentage do 293 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: you have left of that original giant chunk. 294 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: I've got a pretty good size of it left, Okay. 295 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: Ron James came out a while back and we took 296 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 4: it to a middle stop and had them drill out 297 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 4: some of the core samples. He's going to put that 298 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: in his movie, Yeah, Accidental Truth. Correct, and you'll be 299 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: amazed what happened when they started they said that was 300 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 4: a lunium, but I will tell you this, it broke 301 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: the drill and it wasn't a diamond drill bit, but 302 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: it was the next one down from wow Art and 303 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 4: it broke broke the drill bit and other things happened. 304 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: So it's going to be really interesting when he shows that. 305 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: He does it's it's in his film Accidental Truth. Next YEP, Okay, 306 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: so have you had more contact with Jacques Vala or 307 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: Gary Nolan or anybody else that's looked at this. Where 308 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: are we at with all of that? 309 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 4: Gary Nolan and Josh Delay went on the Joe Rogan 310 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: program just recently yep, and talked about our medal. Now, 311 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: back in twenty eighteen, Jock the Way gave a lecture 312 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 4: in California and talked about our medal. He talked about 313 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: it levitating, and he talked about how it would cost 314 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: millions upon millions of dollars to duplicate it and to 315 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 4: make some sort of a craft out of it. It 316 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: would take a country like a Merrita to do it well. 317 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: Because of the so many rare earth metals and so 318 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: many different elements. 319 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: Okay, oh, it's got everything you can think of in it. 320 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 4: Jerry Nolan was on Joe Rogan program and he started 321 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: talking about that, and he said the very same thing. 322 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: It would take millions and millions and millions of dollars 323 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: to duplicate this this metal. They started joking around about 324 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: it and called it ufo poop. 325 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: Does he he did not like the off world or 326 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: does he think that you know? It could be something 327 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: that we're making. 328 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: Joe Rogan asked him about that kind of stuff. 329 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: M h. 330 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: And he turned around us and Nolan said that they 331 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: didn't have the technology back in ninety five six for 332 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: all this, So so you don't know, you know, is 333 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: it's something that they can do. 334 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting? 335 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 4: Yep? 336 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: Okay, So where where are you at with the metal? Now? 337 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 3: Did you take it? Now? One more place? Is this 338 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: the University of Michigan. 339 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 4: Ron James took those course samples and hand delivered samples 340 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 4: to a r O to the Senate, the lady that's 341 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 4: in charge of the UFO project for the Senate, Luna, Yeah, 342 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 4: and delivered it to her and I believe it to 343 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 4: Congress also, So we're there that they got they got 344 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: it in their hands, okay, and that's good. Yeah, And 345 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 4: so we'll see if they do anything with it. I 346 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: guess is the is the thing? 347 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: Now? Did you also? Didn't you? Aren't you currently trying 348 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: to get more tested from University of Michigan or somewhere 349 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 3: right right? 350 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: Well, after he dropped that all to all these people, 351 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 4: they haven't got back to him, had us for quite 352 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: a while, but yes, it seems to be the same 353 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 4: pattern over and over and over for twenty some years exactly. 354 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: But there's a professor Mark Hammock m A m m 355 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: i G. From University of Michigan has samples of it 356 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 4: right now and he's finding out some pretty interesting stuff 357 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 4: that's with it, and he's reaching out to the lay 358 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 4: and Nolan and but since then we found out that 359 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 4: these guys have some sort of a contract at the 360 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 4: c i A. Oh boy Nolan, and he mentions that 361 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: on the Joe Rogan programs he's been doing work for 362 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: c i A. And also heard that the lady does too, 363 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 4: which makes sense with where they was working with Hon 364 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: DeLong and those guys. 365 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: But this doctor seems to be outside of the government. 366 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: So if he gave you some information, you'd be able 367 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: to release that, right that's not classified. 368 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 4: That's what he wants to do. And he's kind of 369 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 4: upset how secret to all these people are being about 370 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 4: all this and and and the way that they react 371 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 4: whenever you say UFO metal or something like that. 372 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: Mm hm. 373 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 4: He's a down to earth guy. 374 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: Great, now you still have the big main chunk of 375 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: the metal. 376 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 4: Yes, uh, and the core samples uh, James Ron James 377 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 4: still has those core samples and stuff. So we've got 378 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 4: a big chunk of it left. 379 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: Great, So what's next? 380 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 4: Just uh, Well, one thing is is, like I was 381 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: telling you that we've had a lot of experience with 382 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 4: the UFOs and the aliens and stuff like that, and 383 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 4: we're trying to get the story out now about the 384 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 4: experiences that we've had and. 385 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: Which ties it into the UFO phenomenon. 386 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 4: Right right, and what they're calling bigfoots. Okay, we know 387 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: a lot about these bigfoots. We're trying to get that 388 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 4: out there. And whenever I start talking about that, I've 389 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 4: been threatened a couple of times, not more, by some 390 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 4: of these bigfoot investigators that don't want me to tell 391 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: a story about who they are, what they are. 392 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: It's weird the secrecy that surrounds every aspect of this. 393 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: It's so strange. Were you you haven't been compensated for 394 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: any of this though, right. 395 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 4: Benny, No, none of it? 396 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: And didn't you once you told that that your metal 397 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: has already been the basis for some patents and things 398 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 3: used in medical Right, So somebody's making some money, but 399 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: it ain't you. 400 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 4: Yep, Tom DeLong. Tom DeLong told us that they're already 401 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 4: using the uh some of the technology that they have 402 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 4: learned off in the metal and some of these big companies. 403 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: That is absolutely incredible. Yeah, and if if it's true, 404 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: then it's a real injustice that you haven't been compensated 405 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: or benefited in any way. 406 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 4: Yep, it's true. 407 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: And then they you know, they classify it and then 408 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: they don't tell you anything else about it. So it's 409 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: it's really confounding for someone who does have a piece 410 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: of metal, What do you do with it? Where do 411 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: you go? Because if you want to find out, you 412 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: want to help share it with the world, it's possible 413 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: that our government will get their hands on it, classify it, 414 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: and then nobody gets to know about it. This is 415 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 3: beyond frustrating, Benny, and I feel you. Of course I 416 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: wouldn't know where to take it or who to trust, 417 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: but I would fear the government might do something sneaky 418 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 3: like classify it, or I'd somehow be cut out of 419 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: the truth. We'll ask Benny about just that when we 420 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: come back to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 421 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 422 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin about his medal. Benny, So, 423 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: tell us what happened with the results? What did they say? 424 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 4: Well, when I started finding out what it could do, 425 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 4: my main thing was because I believe that we just 426 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 4: didn't find it. I believe that they left it to 427 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 4: us were reasons, Okay, and and I figure since I'm servant, 428 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 4: I'm an army guy, and uh and and the whole 429 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: thing to me is to get all this technology to 430 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: our government so we can get ahead of the game 431 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: and stay there. And I think we have done that. 432 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: So so in that sense, I'm I'm kind of I'm satisfied. 433 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: In that sense. It's fantastic, and I think they're probably 434 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: utilizing that technology. In the other sense, isn't it disappointing 435 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: that those of us in the uf community, UFO community 436 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: that are looking for evidence and you may have actual 437 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: physical proof of an off world intelligence in your hands, 438 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem like we're really able to verify that. 439 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: Isn't that a little bit disappointing. 440 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: Very disappointing. 441 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yes, And you know what's great about it is, 442 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: you know, I saw a lot of the backup stuff 443 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: you have. You've got emails from lou emails from Arrow Gary. 444 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: All these people, all you have, all this backup material, 445 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: you have, all these lab reports. You sent me some 446 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: of those, which was very nice. Of course I can't 447 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: read them. It's way way above my pay grade. But 448 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: it does seem to be anomalous in some way. And 449 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: some of these technicians that are looking at this seem 450 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: to be very impressed and perplexed by this material. 451 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 4: Yep, yep, we're doing everything we can to get it 452 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 4: in the right hand. 453 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a hard thing to do, you know. I 454 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: was thinking about that today. That know, what, what do you do? 455 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's not like there's a place you go 456 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: and you show it to them and they give you 457 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: the answer. It doesn't work that way. There's not like 458 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: this store, right, So what do you think will happen next, Benny? 459 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: What do you hope to have happened next? 460 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 4: Well, my wife would love for us to be able 461 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: to get a little bit of our money back. 462 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: I think that's deserved, but I don't know where it's 463 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 3: going to come from. 464 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 4: No, that's what I chalated, you know, And but you know, 465 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 4: all I could do is everything that we've done so far, 466 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: and you know, hope for the best on like I said, 467 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: is to get the information to the government. And I 468 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: think they got it. And even though they want to 469 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 4: play games with us and don't deny everything now, but 470 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: that that all goes with the top secret stuff, that's. 471 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: Good that you're fine with that. Now, hopefully this guy 472 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: over at University of Michigan might be able to find 473 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: some more details and maybe he could help get some 474 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: of this information out a little bit wider. 475 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I tell you we've run into nothing. 476 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: Most surprises may is how many crookes. That's what these 477 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 4: guys are. 478 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: Right up the chain. It seems like it. 479 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: Ombed along, you know, Phillis, Buddinger, on and on, you know, 480 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 4: right down the line. 481 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: Every one of them kept something for themselves. Is the 482 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: skull for themselves. Yeah, that's a real shame, it really is. 483 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: And I feel like you guys have been wrong. But 484 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: thank god, somehow you keep getting the metal back, which 485 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: is wonderful. Yeah, at oftentimes, you know, you've heard these 486 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: other stories where they took it to a lab and 487 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: then it just goes missing. Yeah, oh we lost the 488 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: metal what oh ad we shipped it to you? Oh 489 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: we got lost. So at least you still have it, 490 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: at least you still have it in the hands of 491 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: a professor who's taking a look at it, and hopefully 492 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: something will come of this. 493 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, lou Alesando's one of that is the one 494 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 4: that actually got uh the middle back to us the 495 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: bigger film, okay, and when they drilled in there, drilled 496 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 4: into it to get the red metal out of it, 497 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 4: he told me that that he told them not to 498 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: do that. And when he's saying they that would be 499 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: a Poudolph and the government. 500 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: Interesting. Well, Benny, this is an absolutely incredible story. I 501 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: hope this gets out there more and hopefully something will 502 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: come to light from this, because obviously there's something to 503 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: this metal yep. 504 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 4: And uh, well I can mention, Uh, I think you 505 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 4: know Wayne and Michelle Brandon out of Michigan UFO Sightings 506 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: and Paranormal Encounters podcasts. 507 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: Uh huh, I know who that is. 508 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 4: You know they have they have a recordings on a 509 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 4: lot more about the the UFO sightings that we've seen 510 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: and uh, the experiences that we've had with these aliens, 511 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 4: uh if they're aliens. And uh, I just wanted to 512 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 4: mention that people can check on their podcast. 513 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 3: And to hear about that, right right. 514 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 4: They're very very good investigators. 515 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, on this on this particular episode, we 516 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: wanted to focus on the medal and where it's at 517 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: and where it's going and that kind of thing. I 518 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: think it's an incredible story. I feel sad that you 519 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: guys kind of have been wronged along the way. It'd 520 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: been nice if you would have got a little something 521 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 3: out of us. Yeah, we'll see what happens next. So 522 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: you've brought us up to date right up till October 523 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: of twenty five. So, Benny, if anything else develops, let 524 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: us know and we'll talk about it some more. 525 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 4: You bet. 526 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, buddy. Appreciate you coming on and sharing 527 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: your full story with us. 528 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,479 Speaker 4: You bet. 529 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 3: I appreciate, of course. Benny. Well, that was quite an 530 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: interesting story. It's, of course hard to believe that something 531 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 3: would just fall off a UFO, but this is not 532 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: the only case. We've heard about instances like this from 533 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 3: time to time, and you have to wonder what would 534 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 3: you do if you witnessed something like this and had 535 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: such an artifact. Who do you call? I have no idea. 536 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: Most of the labs you call probably wouldn't believe it 537 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: or take it seriously. Most of the news outlets you 538 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: call wouldn't take it seriously. And what are they supposed 539 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 3: to say, Ah, Hey, this guy found a piece of 540 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: metal that fell off an alien spaceship. I mean, I 541 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 3: can understand how difficult this would be, so I guess 542 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: you'd try to get it tested and if you had 543 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 3: the means to do so. But then you have to 544 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 3: trust whoever you're giving it up to to keep that 545 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: information and share it with you. It feels unlikely that 546 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: they would even give you the real results, and if 547 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: they did, what would they even mean to you. Benny's 548 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 3: metal seems to be one of the more credible pieces found, 549 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: as it drew attention from so many official people, the 550 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 3: rarity of it, the way the drill bit broke trying 551 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: to penetrate it, the red metal, and apparently these isotope 552 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: ratios that they have found are also extraordinary. It's a 553 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: tough situation, and I wonder how many other pieces of 554 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 3: something are sitting in a drawer somewhere around the world. 555 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: So I applaud Benny for making the efforts he has 556 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: to authenticate his metal and see if it can either 557 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 3: help to the United States or science in general. Thanks 558 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 3: everyone for listening. You can find me at Twitter or 559 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: Instagram at CD underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking 560 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: out contact Inthdesert dot com. 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