Speaker 1: Allow him to NFL Daily where we're always trying to
Speaker 1: get entitlement out of the building. I'm Greg Rosenthal in
Speaker 1: my garage talking across the sea to our friend Ali Connelly.
Speaker 1: We had him on in the preseason. We talked about
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins potentially having a terrible season and what would
Speaker 1: happen then, and he did. We've had him on a
Speaker 1: few times since, including in London, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk some head coaching GM openings. Welcome, OLLI, how you doing,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How you I am good? Did the
Speaker 1: entitlement line? That's from Mike Rabel. We'll get to him
Speaker 1: in a bit. But I thought we've spent so much
Speaker 1: time analyzing the games that have been happening, and that
Speaker 1: is the fun stuff, and we'll get back to that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Previewing all the games. We have a lot of great guests,
Speaker 1: but like so much has been happening on the coach
Speaker 1: hiring front that like I just wanted to catch up
Speaker 1: on some level and some of these teams, Ali had,
Speaker 1: know what you think and we'll go through them one
Speaker 1: by one. But there's some wild lists out there of
Speaker 1: GMS and that are going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the wild list of gms who aren't fired,
Speaker 2: but maybe fired if the new boss who is the
Speaker 2: coach apparently decides they don't want them in the building anymore.
Speaker 2: It's very pec.
Speaker 1: Yes, Mickey Loomis is one potentially like that, although I
Speaker 1: don't know. He seems confident he is keeping that job.
Speaker 1: We'll get to him in a bit, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: roll through as many teams as we can. Everyone check
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Speaker 1: does a podcast that you can get access to with
Speaker 1: John Ledyard, which is great there. He also writes there,
Speaker 1: So I don't ask for much as a host, but
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Speaker 1: us some good reviews on iTunes, Spotify. Why not? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start with the Raiders. I just think the Raiders
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady situation is relatively under the radar, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to lead with the show because of an
Speaker 1: article in the Las Vegas Review Journal who Is, which
Speaker 1: is always very tied into Mark Davis, who had a
Speaker 1: quote from a source that said, this is Tom's show now.
Speaker 1: So it feels like almost under reported that Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is probably running an NFL team right now. Mark Davis
Speaker 1: sold twenty five percent of the team, so he has
Speaker 1: a lot of cash that he doesn't mind spending on
Speaker 1: these coaches that he keeps firing every year. And there
Speaker 1: was the report that they at least contacted Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I don't know how serious that was. But Brady's got
Speaker 1: the Lions this weekend as his game, and so he's
Speaker 1: literally going to be announcing the game and presumably, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets to talk to Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: but he gets to be around Ben Johnson, and that's
Speaker 1: going to be one of the candidates. Like, here's the list.
Speaker 1: I'm going to list it for our listeners who they
Speaker 1: have asked to talk to or spoken to. Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Vance, Joseph Todd, Monk and Robert Saalas,
Speaker 1: Steve Spegnolo. Solid list. I've seen worse. What do you
Speaker 1: think about, like what Tom Brady could possibly want in
Speaker 1: a coach and everything that's going on here.
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I'm glad we have some clarity
Speaker 2: on who's running things. I thought Tom Tellusco has done
Speaker 2: quite dirty in this situation, given that they finally had
Speaker 2: an adult in the room to make good decisions as
Speaker 2: a GM. And I don't think he's a he's a
Speaker 2: needle mover as a GM necessarily, but he certainly raised
Speaker 2: the floor from what they had in the past. And
Speaker 2: I understand wanted to have joined up uniform thinking, but
Speaker 2: I would think you would feel pretty confident about who
Speaker 2: that was if you're going to be one for someone
Speaker 2: that spoke to me initially, is that Okay, this must
Speaker 2: be Brady's show. Tellusco is not making a hire. Mark
Speaker 2: Davis isn't just doing it caught Blanches he's done in
Speaker 2: the past. Brady's on this thing, and it's just beyond hysterical.
Speaker 2: It's journalistic malpractice, not that he's really a journalist that
Speaker 2: he's allowed to call the game of a guy he's
Speaker 2: probably trying to employ and gets to spend four hours
Speaker 2: talking to his agent directly through Fox's airways for twenty
Speaker 2: eight million dollars to kind of pitch the job for
Speaker 2: the guy he wants to get. So I find that
Speaker 2: sci fastin do you think that this raider's job should
Speaker 2: not be as committed as it seems like these guys
Speaker 2: are as excited to get into discuss well.
Speaker 1: I think for coaches, what struck me going through this
Speaker 1: list and thinking about their process is that if you're
Speaker 1: a coach that wants some power, this could be I
Speaker 1: guess Brady's going to have a lot of power. But
Speaker 1: they haven't really started talking to general managers at all.
Speaker 1: So they stand out to me as an organization that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a GM in place, and it's talking to
Speaker 1: coaches first. So presumably if they hire a coach first,
Speaker 1: he's going to be kind of in charge or the
Speaker 1: one that has say so that part of it's good.
Speaker 1: You know, they in theory have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but it's a real rebuild. I mean talent wise, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you have? You have an all pro tight end,
Speaker 1: you have Max Crosby, who may or may not want
Speaker 1: to be there, and you don't have much more. You
Speaker 1: don't have any quarterback. So I have no idea like
Speaker 1: what they're looking for. I don't think they know what
Speaker 1: they're looking for unless it's just to I'm Brady wants
Speaker 1: like a good quarterback tootor, which would make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a pretty disparate list to have
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson and Pete Carroll, you know, exactly looking for
Speaker 2: the same thing. When you go into those interviews. I
Speaker 2: do think you hit in it though from the coaching
Speaker 2: point of view, which is these guys are control freaks.
Speaker 2: They want to have as much say as possible, and
Speaker 2: I get the raiders' job is viewed as not a
Speaker 2: great job. But I think in the specifics of what
Speaker 2: they're looking for, which is give me control, let me
Speaker 2: run the building. Mark Davis is incredibly accommodating on letting
Speaker 2: you do whatever you want to do. When Josh McDaniels
Speaker 2: went there, he brought chefs, he brought secretaries, he brought
Speaker 2: a bunch of people from New England. That upset people
Speaker 2: in New England. Most teams don't let you do that.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones does not like you bring in a group
Speaker 2: of secretaries. You want to run the building for you.
Speaker 2: So if you want that stuff and it's important to
Speaker 2: you to build an organization, if that's what gets Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson going, is that I want full power in a
Speaker 2: building and I don't want the guys who run the
Speaker 2: Sixers coming in telling me what the draft board looks like,
Speaker 2: what the evaluation processes. I get why that would be
Speaker 2: exciting and enticing to a guy who could just say
Speaker 2: I want to be with Caleb Williams and I'll figure
Speaker 2: the politics out of the building later. That doesn't help
Speaker 2: you when it's third and seven and AOC is your quarterback,
Speaker 2: that would be my consent for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you gotta support me in my lukewarm take,
Speaker 1: which is that AOC is going to have like a
Speaker 1: nine year, perfectly reasonable NFL career, which is a great
Speaker 1: outcome for a fourth round of quarterback. Do you disagree
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 2: No, I think a Donald like trajectory way he gets
Speaker 2: with some whisper a McCown folios down the line, I
Speaker 2: think is in play.
Speaker 1: I mean that that would be on the higher end supposedly.
Speaker 1: I've seen John spy Tech thrown out there, who works
Speaker 1: with the Buccaneers as a potential GM target, which again
Speaker 1: would have Brady's fingerprints. But yeah, it's multiple different sources,
Speaker 1: not just Las Vegas Review Journal who basically said Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was like, no, let's push to LESCo out like
Speaker 1: the day he visited with them. The next day they
Speaker 1: fired to LESCo and people inside the building are just
Speaker 1: saying like it is his team. Hell Mark Davis is
Speaker 1: essentially said it could be his team, So it's it's
Speaker 1: just all wild to me. It's also kind of under
Speaker 1: the Raider that Richard Seymour owns point five percent of
Speaker 1: the Raiders and it's spread out like he sold twenty
Speaker 1: five percent of his team. I do think that's a
Speaker 1: factor in why he's spending so much money, is that
Speaker 1: he has all this money suddenly from that.
Speaker 2: He's also newly rich just generally with all the Vegas
Speaker 2: investments in the franchises. He was kind of like cash
Speaker 2: poor for a long time. They couldn't sign fregents because
Speaker 2: you got a bout the cash in escross. He's like
Speaker 2: a new rich, old money guy, which is a really
Speaker 2: unusual thing to be. It's very not very often you
Speaker 2: see someone who has like a family lineage of being
Speaker 2: rich and then they just get given a bunch of
Speaker 2: cash on top after having not had a lot on
Speaker 2: hand for a while. So he's just doing all the things.
Speaker 2: I mean, to turnover coaches that rate, and to turn
Speaker 2: over when you allow everyone to bring whoever they want,
Speaker 2: right strengthing additioning coach all the way down the line
Speaker 2: to not have any kind of stasis between the staffs
Speaker 2: is a pretty wild investment to make to then say,
Speaker 2: let's do it again, and then let's interview Robert Seller
Speaker 2: and Pete Carroll and Spagnolo and oh, the hottest head
Speaker 2: coach candidate on the market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know, based partially on Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: broadcasting career, why he would be a particularly good person
Speaker 1: to run an organization. But we'll see. It'll be fun
Speaker 1: to watch, and as somewhat rudderless franchises go, like, I
Speaker 1: would rather have the Mark Davis type. That is, he's
Speaker 1: like reinvesting all the money that he's making. He's not
Speaker 1: being cheap about it. Speaking of which, let's go through
Speaker 1: the Bears just quickly. We haven't been hitting on any
Speaker 1: of these interviews or what's been going on. So the
Speaker 1: Bears have Ryan Poles their general manager in place. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna list all the people they have asked or
Speaker 1: spoken to. Thomas Brown, their INDIM head coach, Matt Campbell,
Speaker 1: the Iowa state head coach that was kind of out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, Pete Carroll, Brian Flores, Marcus Freeman from Notre
Speaker 1: Dame they want to talk to. We'll see if they
Speaker 1: wait around Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Mike Kafka, who's still
Speaker 1: getting interviews the Giants offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: is interviewing on Wednesday, Todd Monkin, Drew Petzig, Ron Rivera,
Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith. When a list is that long, do
Speaker 1: you think they know what they're doing or is the
Speaker 1: list a bit of a tell?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't hate when people have long lists. I
Speaker 2: know people like to say, hey, go and point and
Speaker 2: get you guy. I like the information gathering side of things.
Speaker 2: You gather as much as you can, not just in
Speaker 2: terms of who you might hire, but how do they
Speaker 2: run their offseason program? How does this guy develop quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: Is there things we can steal from different playbooks, different
Speaker 2: ways they run the week that we can hand to
Speaker 2: the guy we pick and maybe he synthesized it. Go, Oh,
Speaker 2: there's some good stuff in here that Drew Petsingh had
Speaker 2: that I'd like to pinch if I can. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any harm if you're able to do it.
Speaker 2: My concerned there with their lack of joined up thinking
Speaker 2: is just who is running the building in Chicago. I
Speaker 2: think that's why Ben Johnson was like terrified by the thing,
Speaker 2: and he could have just signed there almost immediately and
Speaker 2: it could have leaked out that he wanted to go.
Speaker 2: And what with Caleb Williams, maybe he winds up wanting
Speaker 2: to do that. But this Kevin Warren Ryan Poles who
Speaker 2: is running the show, is Ryan is actually good at
Speaker 2: evaluating talent with all the assets they've had there, I'm
Speaker 2: still unsure and I just would not if my career
Speaker 2: was involved in any way with Kevin Warrens, I would
Speaker 2: not like that. So I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: would view it pretty similarly.
Speaker 1: Who would you like to be Caleb Williams's coach? Just
Speaker 1: as a fan?
Speaker 2: As a fan, well, Drew Petsing excites me as a blend.
Speaker 2: But I also thought Shane Waltern and him would have
Speaker 2: a fun kind of cocktail of stylistically different and if
Speaker 2: you overlay them and it works together, we got this
Speaker 2: firework show that's really fun. Maybe it is just as
Speaker 2: simple as getting a king's brain and saying, let's really
Speaker 2: simplify this and play to your strengths and you know
Speaker 2: each other personally and that will unlock you for a
Speaker 2: year or two. I do think maybe getting him just
Speaker 2: one or two seasons of this might not be the
Speaker 2: five six seven year guy that is tied him for
Speaker 2: his career, but let's try and get some confidence in him.
Speaker 2: Let's try and weed out some of the rough stuff.
Speaker 2: That might be the way to do it ultimately for
Speaker 2: me when you go and look at like when Vrabel's
Speaker 2: gone with Drake May, I don't think they have to
Speaker 2: be these offensive gurus to be tied to the young quarterway.
Speaker 2: I think it's such a fallacy to say that. You
Speaker 2: go through the history of payt to Monning, Brady, Ruthless,
Speaker 2: Bilga on down the line, they I'll always tied to
Speaker 2: offensive gurus and great offensive architects who wind up tapping
Speaker 2: into these guys the most. You just need a good
Speaker 2: head coach, So whoever they view as a good head coach,
Speaker 2: I would hope someone with some experience. But if it's
Speaker 2: one of the hot shot guys a Liam Cohen, someone
Speaker 2: like that, I would be excited about that.
Speaker 1: This was to me the most likely Cliff spot if
Speaker 1: he wanted to. But there have been multiple reports out
Speaker 1: there that just keep saying Cliff is cool, like Cliff
Speaker 1: is content to stay in Washington, specifically, citing that he's
Speaker 1: getting paid as a head coach still from Arizona, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. And if you were Cliff Kingsbury, Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: I would think would be pretty tempting because that's a
Speaker 1: unique player to work with. But any other situation, you know,
Speaker 1: you get to keep working with Jayden Daniels. You have
Speaker 1: all the fun of the job, you're getting all the
Speaker 1: money from Arizona, and you have like a fraction of
Speaker 1: the pressure and all the pains that come with being
Speaker 1: the head coach. So that actually makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I kind of believe that he wouldn't necessarily even take
Speaker 1: this job if the Bears wanted him.
Speaker 2: Would Kingsby be high on your fancy list of guys? Anyway?
Speaker 2: Quote back when scene, if you were to read as
Speaker 2: someone like this that these rere pullets sound awfully friendly
Speaker 2: to Cliff Kingsbury's So we can just walk in and
Speaker 2: denne whatever he once. If we did not see him
Speaker 2: be a head coach in college and pro and did
Speaker 2: not go so well.
Speaker 1: I was so down. I've always been down on Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: But this season has gone well enough, even the wildcard game.
Speaker 1: It he keeps throwing out fun new stuff enough that
Speaker 1: I just want the best for Caleb Williams. I'm curious.
Speaker 1: While I have you here and this is it's the
Speaker 1: Ali Connelly Show today, I might as well just get
Speaker 1: all the opinions. I want to know the answers to
Speaker 1: if you're redoing the draft now, do you feel differently
Speaker 1: about Caleb Williams first and then second? How would you
Speaker 1: sort those three quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: I do have concerns. I think the internal clocks is
Speaker 2: a real thing that you can split out from scheme
Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff that really does concern in
Speaker 2: a way that I think will take three or four
Speaker 2: years to undo what I saw this year of him
Speaker 2: just not understanding the speed and rhythm of the game,
Speaker 2: how quick things rotate. I think, believing he's probably a
Speaker 2: better NFL athlete than he is to evade the rush
Speaker 2: and go and create the way that he would want to,
Speaker 2: and then having this weird mid season rift I think
Speaker 2: with the scheme itself, where he's so trying to stick
Speaker 2: to it almost to prove a point that I'm not
Speaker 2: this great move and cretor, but then refusing to throw
Speaker 2: the ball and challenge down the field. Maybe if you
Speaker 2: can just lock him in with a guy who can
Speaker 2: really simplify things and maybe strip out some of the
Speaker 2: ego of the quarterback you want to be versus the
Speaker 2: guy who can be successful. Really early on, as with
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, our scheme isn't that vast, it's not that
Speaker 2: overly creative as Cliffs have been in the past. But
Speaker 2: he's just nails on third down and he knows where
Speaker 2: he's gone with the ball and he gets rid of it.
Speaker 2: That maybe will change things slightly, but it'll take a
Speaker 2: while for me to unsee the indecisiveness I think early on.
Speaker 2: So I'd probably go Daniels May Williams, I think.
Speaker 1: And you would have had the reverse before, or you
Speaker 1: had Williams Daniels May.
Speaker 2: I had Williams May Daniels going in.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So I like that. I like that you're
Speaker 1: willing to change it. I feel like some people get
Speaker 1: so caught up in the draft evaluation, and to me,
Speaker 1: like this, this takee is so much more valuable to me.
Speaker 1: Not that I have trust my draft evaluations at all,
Speaker 1: but it's like, well, seeing Jaden Daniels like this, I
Speaker 1: would probably take May. Maybe I'm just a Homer, but
Speaker 1: the age does matter to me and the types of
Speaker 1: traits they that he shows. But either way I would
Speaker 1: take both of them over Caleb. I feel strongly about
Speaker 1: now now.
Speaker 2: I think may is really really special. I thought that
Speaker 2: going in it was neck connect for me between him
Speaker 2: and Williams. I think Jaden Dina's has proven the something
Speaker 2: a little bit different going on there in the big
Speaker 2: moments and things like the go beyond, like hey, let's
Speaker 2: break down the film and the footwork and where he's
Speaker 2: going with the bowl every time that there's just some
Speaker 2: kind of magic to him that you just can't really describe.
Speaker 2: The I am all in on. I think the close
Speaker 2: game wins is no joke. I think having offense basically
Speaker 2: burned two downs against have it creating defense in a
Speaker 2: wildcod game and you're just standing there on third down
Speaker 2: and come up every single time, I think is a
Speaker 2: real thing that we haven't seen with the other guys yet.
Speaker 2: So that's why I've slipped slightly towards Dina's. I agree
Speaker 2: with you on the NFL film, by the way, I
Speaker 2: think it's just so silly to default to your prize
Speaker 2: and hold onto for four years and pray for the best.
Speaker 2: I go back and evaluate all my stuff to find
Speaker 2: out if there's something I've missed all there's something bad
Speaker 2: in the process. But to just kind of claim you
Speaker 2: are right all along when your mortgage is on the
Speaker 2: line because you're not actually in charge of the teams,
Speaker 2: I think is a little bit silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think Daniels has shown and he's already
Speaker 1: improved so much, he's going to continue to improve. They
Speaker 1: all will. Let's go to the Jaguars, just because we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned them at all on this show since Trent
Speaker 1: Balke was left in place. I like their list of
Speaker 1: people they're talking to. You've got the offensive mine, Joe Brady,
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen. Amazingly, is that the only interview Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: is getting in this cycle. That's really surprise to me.
Speaker 1: And then you also have Ben Johnson, Todd Monkin, Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if Ben Johnson was gonna take that interview.
Speaker 1: He decided to. But they're not just talking to offensive guys. Also,
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, Brian Flores, Patrick Graham last with the Raiders
Speaker 1: getting an interview. Robert Sala interviewed on Tuesday as we're
Speaker 1: taping and Steve Spagnolo. So you have Trevor Lawrence in
Speaker 1: place there. This does feel like the team. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's going to hire a young hot shot play
Speaker 1: caller if they can. It'd be a fascinating place for
Speaker 1: Brady or Cohen. I don't know why, but I tend
Speaker 1: to think they could. One of those two could land there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing that makes it tough for me is did
Speaker 2: Joe Brady o Liam Cohen have the cachet to push
Speaker 2: Trembulki out? And that's all I would be worrying about
Speaker 2: if I was in that building, is how to find
Speaker 2: a way to unseat that guy. Whereas not that it
Speaker 2: would nestarly be spag Nola, but Robert Sallam maybe would
Speaker 2: have the casert to come in and say, I see,
Speaker 2: let's bring our own guy and let's react how we
Speaker 2: do things. And that to me is a more pressing
Speaker 2: need than just go and get in the hot shot.
Speaker 2: Oh see where you could maybe find a quote about
Speaker 2: coach where he would give you a fact similar of
Speaker 2: it in year one, I do think just sight unseen,
Speaker 2: if Bulky was out, I would love Joe Brady oor
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen to be there. I think Brady particularly would
Speaker 2: be exciting with the ross they currently have with Lawrence,
Speaker 2: I think he could tap into some stuff, whereas Cohen's
Speaker 2: a slightly smaller sample size, and I have I think
Speaker 2: Cohen's not getting that many intries because Liam Cohen, I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure wants to be a head coach yet.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of stuff he wants
Speaker 2: to work on that goes beyond the scheming and the
Speaker 2: game planning and the stuff that he enjoys and I
Speaker 2: think is a really special talent at whereas Brady has
Speaker 2: been basically plotting and planning for years now and how
Speaker 2: he would build a week out on what a head
Speaker 2: coach would look like. So I think he would maybe
Speaker 2: hit the ground running with some of the CEO type
Speaker 2: stuff better than Coen would in a year one.
Speaker 1: There were some reports that like Ben Johnson isn't going
Speaker 1: to just take any interview and he wants a place
Speaker 1: where he can be put in a position to succeed,
Speaker 1: and that they're you know, and he kind of liked
Speaker 1: you mentioned with Cohen previously, I said, look, I love
Speaker 1: the x's and o's and maybe didn't like he was
Speaker 1: ready to be a head coach. Do you do you
Speaker 1: think he would potentially take a job where Trent Balki
Speaker 1: is in place. I was actually surprised that he I
Speaker 1: think he isn't you know, He's shown some interest in
Speaker 1: this job. But I do wonder if that would be
Speaker 1: a point that some reporters have hinted at, that he
Speaker 1: would not want this job if Balkie's there.
Speaker 2: That is another one where I think because they've been
Speaker 2: laughing stock e or laughing stock adjacent for so long,
Speaker 2: it often looks like maybe a bad job. But I
Speaker 2: think coaches like the con family and particularly Shad Cohn,
Speaker 2: because they are patient and loyal to a fault. Outside
Speaker 2: of the of my debarcle, they hold onto people too long.
Speaker 2: Trent Balky still there. It is the number one should
Speaker 2: have been fired for the job he's done out of
Speaker 2: any GM coach assistant coach in the NFL, and he's
Speaker 2: still hanging on by his fingernails unless someone comes in
Speaker 2: and says I want him out. So these guys are
Speaker 2: really loyal. They spend a lot of money. So I
Speaker 2: think if you just have the ego of wherever I go,
Speaker 2: I can fix it. And I get Trevor Lawrence I
Speaker 2: think that's why someone like Benjo would take that interview
Speaker 2: whilst maybe looking side I at the Chicago situation went
Speaker 2: from the outside, that looks like a better job Rikings
Speaker 2: offensive guy, they got all the weapons they've got, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you really are interested in control and running
Speaker 2: the building, you know with the Jack situation that you
Speaker 2: would have massive, say, you'd have a bunch of patients
Speaker 2: and you'd get a bunch of cash.
Speaker 1: Ben on you too, right on Cohen, you were leading
Speaker 1: the brigade, and I tend to agree that, like, the
Speaker 1: Bucks can't let this guy go out of the building.
Speaker 1: It was a special offensive season that they had. It
Speaker 1: made that loss all the more frustrating. Ben Solack of
Speaker 1: ESPN had a great stat that they had the highest
Speaker 1: passing success rate in a playoff loss ever, or maybe
Speaker 1: it was the century, it was something like that, and
Speaker 1: they still found a way to lose that game. Maybe
Speaker 1: they weren't going to the super Bowl anyways with that defense,
Speaker 1: but I would have liked to see them keep playing.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Bucks would ever make the move
Speaker 1: to get rid of Bulls if they felt like they
Speaker 1: needed to keep Cohen? Now, just some context for the listeners.
Speaker 1: The Bucks multiple times have gotten rid of their coach
Speaker 1: like a week later, like late in the process, like
Speaker 1: suddenly John Gruden is out and it's the Tuesday, like
Speaker 1: eight days after the the NFL season has ended, And
Speaker 1: that's happened a few times. So it's been radio silent
Speaker 1: there for now, which it doesn't make me wonder if
Speaker 1: that's at least a possibility, because they wouldn't want Cohen
Speaker 1: to leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be a strong up possiblity
Speaker 2: if he was interviewing in four or five places and
Speaker 2: he was like the guy, which I think he should be.
Speaker 2: I think he's really really special, and I think it's
Speaker 2: foolish that he's not being interviewed everywhere. I think he
Speaker 2: has seasoned this year really reminds me McVeigh and Washington,
Speaker 2: where it is both special from a schematic point of
Speaker 2: view and kind of like the m product of You
Speaker 2: Go by EPA play points paget that is crushing people
Speaker 2: all over the place, but then how he gets to
Speaker 2: it by basically shape shifting the scheme every week to
Speaker 2: plug holes to fix an offensive line that struggled for seasons,
Speaker 2: and I thought by the end of the year was
Speaker 2: the best overall unit, then maybe the Broncos and the
Speaker 2: Eagles by the end of the thing. All the different creativity,
Speaker 2: but then just finding a way to max all the
Speaker 2: different puzzle pieces, changing Mike Evans's route distribution, all kinds
Speaker 2: of little details, plus all the cool one off stuff.
Speaker 2: I think where Balls is that it's almost I think
Speaker 2: they'd have a really odd time firing him. But could
Speaker 2: there be some kind of semi force retirement situation where
Speaker 2: it's like Balls is ready to move on and we
Speaker 2: really want to keep Liam at That's move I would
Speaker 2: make purely because I think we know what the ceiling
Speaker 2: has With top Balls. You just cannot at this point
Speaker 2: correct the in game management issues. Some of the defensive
Speaker 2: stuff has tailed off, though I still think he's one
Speaker 2: of the great defensive architects in the league and decidedly
Speaker 2: done really well after the bye this season. I just
Speaker 2: think it's really hard. It almost reminds me slightly of
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn and Kyle Shannon and where the league was
Speaker 2: training in such a way you didn't want to get
Speaker 2: out of the Kyle Shanner and business, even if you
Speaker 2: really like Dan Quinn and thought he could be a
Speaker 2: successful head coach somewhere, and you just don't want to
Speaker 2: miss that and have it go to Jacksonville and they're
Speaker 2: going to the playoffs three years in a row, and
Speaker 2: your two years down the line and balls hire as
Speaker 2: a dud o c he has a in game management
Speaker 2: snappy with the cossual playoff spot and you're looking going, wow,
Speaker 2: we had Litam Cohen in our building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that would be a tough scenario. Ultimately, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have their cake Andy of too. They'll
Speaker 1: probably have them both back, which would be excellent. And
Speaker 1: give Todd Bowles credit for the hires. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's all him making these hires, but
Speaker 1: if Mike Tomlin could choose ocs like Todd Bowles could, like,
Speaker 1: they would be winning playoff games in Pittsburgh. And I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even need to see what happens this offseason.
Speaker 1: Like the Bucks are gonna be my pick to win
Speaker 1: that division unless they totally have a brutal offseason. They
Speaker 1: have a lot to like you mentioned the offensive line
Speaker 1: and then the coaching returning, and the defense has room
Speaker 1: to improve. Certainly next year, let's go to one of
Speaker 1: their division rivals, which is a mester right now, the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints their interview list, at least in terms
Speaker 1: of their desires. Mike Kofka again, Aaron Glenn, who has
Speaker 1: spent time in that building, might be one of the favorites.
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury reportedly Kellen Moore and Anthony Weaver, the Dolphins
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. They've also been tied to Mike McCarthy, although
Speaker 1: that I don't think that's officially, you know, come up
Speaker 1: that that was going to be a request. I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk also about Mickey Loomis, who had so many
Speaker 1: gems in his crazily defiant press conference on Monday that
Speaker 1: I had to play some of them. Eric, Let's let's
Speaker 1: throw up the Mickey Loomis one about the results not
Speaker 1: being what he wanted.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean, by the way, because the results aren't
Speaker 3: what we want doesn't mean that we're doing something wrong.
Speaker 3: There may be some circumstantial things here, but we have
Speaker 3: to look at all of it and be honest with ourselves.
Speaker 2: Hey, we didn't do a good job in that area.
Speaker 2: We gotta do better.
Speaker 3: How can we do better?
Speaker 1: This man is saying he's got to be honest with himselves.
Speaker 1: He started the press conference defending Dennis Allen Saint Derek
Speaker 1: Carr is a great quarterback, which I get why you
Speaker 1: got you gotta stand up for Derek Carr right now.
Speaker 1: But more than anything, the thing that drove me crazy
Speaker 1: was that he said he's been drafting well, and it's like, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen was like a long time ago. If I'm
Speaker 1: a Saints fan, I'm hoping for a coach that would
Speaker 1: be powerful enough to push Mickey Loomis to the side,
Speaker 1: but I'm losing confidence that that's a possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really thought when there was the weird press
Speaker 2: release when they let go of Dennis Allen where Mick
Speaker 2: Limis was like, he's actually a great NFL head coach
Speaker 2: and I don't know why this is happening, that that
Speaker 2: was just a tell that he'd already lost a power
Speaker 2: struggle and he wouldn't be involved in this decision at all.
Speaker 2: And I thought when they were kind of back channeling
Speaker 2: early on that Aaron Glenn, you know, if he wants
Speaker 2: the job, it's his job if he so decides that,
Speaker 2: that was another tell like this is going to be
Speaker 2: a complete reset. They've accepted, they're going to hire a
Speaker 2: coach that they give at least three seasons, figure out
Speaker 2: what the salary cap situation is, which is just still
Speaker 2: a complete mess, and he'll be unburdened by that by
Speaker 2: year two, year three, if they can just torch through
Speaker 2: it in one season. For him to still being charged,
Speaker 2: to be speaking in such a bizarre way with seemingly
Speaker 2: no hold on any of the facts of his froster
Speaker 2: entails and the situation there and is pretty concerning. Which
Speaker 2: is one where Aaron Glenn, who I think could have
Speaker 2: that job if he wants it. I think the other
Speaker 2: ones are all fallback options if he gets a second
Speaker 2: or the lines come up with a huge pay increase
Speaker 2: where he goes it's not this year, call me the
Speaker 2: year after you've done the one and done higher Mayo style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Aaron Glenn can probably get a
Speaker 1: job in this cycle. It's really hard to ever turn
Speaker 1: down in an NFL job. But the Saints and the
Speaker 1: Jets and everything that you hear about Glenn in terms
Speaker 1: of how he would be as kind of a leader
Speaker 1: of an entire building makes him an attractive option. And
Speaker 1: yet I think that the Saints are more likely to
Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy. I kind of think that is the
Speaker 1: direction they're gonna go, because the Saints remind me a
Speaker 1: little bit of Dallas in that it's a really unique
Speaker 1: setup where they've got their guys. They don't want to
Speaker 1: go outside of their guys. McCarthy and Loomis go back
Speaker 1: all the way to the early aughts when McCarthy was
Speaker 1: there in New Orleans, and more than anything, I think
Speaker 1: it's like they would help each other have power, Like
Speaker 1: McCarthy would be a guy that Loomis is happy to
Speaker 1: let do everything that he needs to do, but just
Speaker 1: some whispers that effort. If he can land McCarthy, that
Speaker 1: would almost be viewed potentially by ownership as like, hey,
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis, he's still got it, he can get us
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. And it actually guarantees them that they can
Speaker 1: work together for the next three or four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like the self preservation move, and I'm
Speaker 2: not sure it's the worst move now. It's that's not bad.
Speaker 2: You bring in the first time guy into that situation
Speaker 2: where you either keep paying on the credit card and
Speaker 2: then it comes due in two seasons or whatever, or
Speaker 2: you decide to just tear it down in one year
Speaker 2: and they get, you know, Lovely Smith or something out
Speaker 2: of the door inside eighteen months. So I just don't
Speaker 2: think it's the greatest spot for first time. I really
Speaker 2: thought that Anthony Weaver would go in there. I think
Speaker 2: he's got a chance to be a really talented head coach.
Speaker 2: I think all the owners really like him. He's super intelligent,
Speaker 2: he runs a creative scheme. It's right within the vanguard
Speaker 2: of what everyone's looking for. Right, do we want a
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell? Do you want to Mike McDonald? You want
Speaker 2: to Sean Mcveighwell, Weavers right there in both the Campbell
Speaker 2: and McDonald type will where you get the kind of
Speaker 2: lead or a men type personality, but they're really cool
Speaker 2: innovative scheme. I thought he'd go in and maybe blow
Speaker 2: away one these teams who wanted to do the retread higher, right,
Speaker 2: the Jets, the Saints. You maybe want more of an
Speaker 2: adult in there where he could come in and convince
Speaker 2: them that I'm kind of a bit of both, where
Speaker 2: I've been around the block for a while, I know
Speaker 2: how to run a program, but then also I've got
Speaker 2: this really cool innovative scheme, So I like him as
Speaker 2: an outside bet. If Glenn just says no, and then
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they can't look out the McCarthy. But
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think my mccaughy's just a better coach,
Speaker 2: and people think I think he's a complete floor raiser.
Speaker 2: It's not going to get you excited, you won't throw parades,
Speaker 2: you probably won't raise a Lombardy while he's there. But
Speaker 2: I do think he'll be a floor raiser. And if
Speaker 2: they're still in that view that we can be competitive
Speaker 2: and we can keep pushing this thing out, then he
Speaker 2: does make logical sense though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he could hire a staff, which they might
Speaker 1: be starting late in the process. I agree. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think it's a bad hire for
Speaker 1: them for where they're at, and if we're just assuming
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is there anyways, if I was a fan
Speaker 1: of the Saints, it's probably the best you could do.
Speaker 1: One thing was clear from that press conference is there's
Speaker 1: no way there tearing it down. He wouldn't even recognize
Speaker 1: that they have any salary cap issues, and he liked
Speaker 1: the roster. He says you can turn things around in
Speaker 1: a second. In this league, and he is not looking
Speaker 1: to the future, although he isn't really looking at tankthon
Speaker 1: very often either. Let's let's listen to him talk about
Speaker 1: his draft pick.
Speaker 2: Know, it's not like we have the first pick of
Speaker 2: the draft. It's it's you know, we're at ten.
Speaker 3: I think it is that a call right now? Nine?
Speaker 2: Excuse me? It was ten before. I mean, it's pretty bad, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not an immediate fireable offense. You ask your coaches
Speaker 2: to sleep on mattresses, to miss all that kids doneficitals,
Speaker 2: to not grow with that family dove with the highest
Speaker 2: divorce right behind lawyers in America. And the guy doesn't
Speaker 2: know where he's drafting.
Speaker 1: Right, Like, what's he doing scouring the waiver wire for
Speaker 1: Pelicans players? Still? I thought he's out of that business.
Speaker 1: How does he not know what what pick he has?
Speaker 1: I feel like that should be a bigger story. I'm
Speaker 1: glad we got it into this shoe. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break here, We're gonna come back. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of other situations which are really interesting. The Cowboys, the Jets.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1: We've got Ali Connolly back after the break, Well.
Speaker 3: First of all, look, we get the best professional sports
Speaker 3: league in the world, right, and there's thirty two jobs,
Speaker 3: and a lot of guys want to be head coached,
Speaker 3: so every job is attractive.
Speaker 2: They just are including ours.
Speaker 1: All right. It's catch up on the coaching and GM
Speaker 1: situations day on NFL Daily. And the Cowboys letting Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy walk didn't want to give him extra years on
Speaker 1: his contract apparently was where they were really disagreeing on things.
Speaker 1: So whether it was McCarthy kind of leaving or Dallas
Speaker 1: letting him leave, he is no longer there. And every
Speaker 1: name that they throw out for a potential coach gets Wilder,
Speaker 1: Oli got Dion is in the mix. Supposedly. Jason Witten
Speaker 1: has been now mentioned by multiple outlets. Don't be surprised
Speaker 1: if Jason Witten gets in the mix. That was from
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk, among other places. Mike Zimmer has been mentioned.
Speaker 1: I don't think as a head coach, but maybe Jerry
Speaker 1: would force him on as a defensive coordinator, which wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily be a bad idea. And maybe he's, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like the guy that Jerry's got in his
Speaker 1: back pocket in case nothing else works out, And just
Speaker 1: makes the head coach Kellen Moore has been brought up,
Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of familiar faces. What
Speaker 1: do you think about the cowboy situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the strangest situation we've seen. I think
Speaker 2: it's some time. To let a coach go into the
Speaker 2: final year of his contract is a strange thing anyway.
Speaker 2: You just don't see that in any professional spill. Right,
Speaker 2: It's known as a lame dug, So you just let
Speaker 2: the guy go the second it's son. Even guys like
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson, who was not actually technically a lame dunk.
Speaker 2: He knew after London like I'm out he got the
Speaker 2: team kind of quit.
Speaker 1: They did it with Darren though they did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing with Garrett.
Speaker 2: Actually, this is the cheapness of the franchise, which is
Speaker 2: just so peculiar. And then to look at the list
Speaker 2: and go, okay, So if there's a Mike Zimma thing there,
Speaker 2: that would sound to me like we could repair Keller Moore,
Speaker 2: a guy we know, which is a very jerry thing
Speaker 2: right with the old hands, so we can kind of
Speaker 2: help Gan through, which I don't think would be the
Speaker 2: silliest move. I'm not pro Kellen Moore as a head coach.
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly pro Kellen Moore as an oci anyway,
Speaker 2: but moving him to the head coach, maybe he's just
Speaker 2: better at that job than is just calling plays and
Speaker 2: running an offense. But you see this with Mayo Hackett.
Speaker 2: The guys who have really terrible times are just having
Speaker 2: this really inexperienced staff who've just not been around or
Speaker 2: being those roles before. So maybe keeping Zimmer there and
Speaker 2: pairing him with a younger guy would at least give
Speaker 2: you some of that where they know how to get
Speaker 2: the planes to run on time and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: The additt one I think is de On. I mean,
Speaker 2: Deon's statement was absolutely just peculiar. I think it's I
Speaker 2: don't know, you are really good at deciphering what people
Speaker 2: are really saying when they release these statements, and that
Speaker 2: really read to me as I want the job, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to be embarrassed if you don't offer
Speaker 2: me the job. Therefore I'll say intrigued by it, and
Speaker 2: we've spoke, and if you offer it me, I may
Speaker 2: take it, but I don't want to get make it
Speaker 2: look like I was turned down if I'm not off
Speaker 2: with the job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head here.
Speaker 1: It was to hear from Jerry Jones is truly delightful
Speaker 1: and it's intriguing. I love Jerry, and I believe in Jerry.
Speaker 1: After you hang up and process it, think about it,
Speaker 1: it's intriguing. But I love Boulder and everything there is
Speaker 1: about our team, the coaches, our student body, and the community.
Speaker 1: And that's one directly to Adam Schefter, which is interesting too.
Speaker 1: I get the sense it's more people around Dion pushing
Speaker 1: and maybe Deane's agent pushing this idea. Michael Irvin's been
Speaker 1: pushing this idea, and Jerry's open to it enough to
Speaker 1: have it do a few news cycles, but no one's
Speaker 1: really sure what he thinks, which I think is a
Speaker 1: growing problem for the Cowboys. I don't think it's agism
Speaker 1: to talk about your ability to run an NFL team
Speaker 1: at the same level that you did thirty years ago
Speaker 1: and you're in your mid eighties. Those were legitimate questions
Speaker 1: to be the president of the country. It's a legitimate
Speaker 1: question for the ownership of the team. And one of
Speaker 1: the things you consistently hear out of Dallas is well,
Speaker 1: Jerry's not sure like Jerry, Like even with Mike McCarthy publicly,
Speaker 1: he was really trying to make the bridge to keeping McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I think he thought he was keeping McCarthy, and McCarthy
Speaker 1: maybe stood up to Jerry Jones more than he expected,
Speaker 1: and he sounds like he doesn't necessarily know what he wants.
Speaker 1: The thing I would be fun about Dion other than
Speaker 1: it just would be a fun team to cover, would
Speaker 1: be he would definitely keep Zimmer. He loves Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 1: Those two love each other, and you're given me Dion
Speaker 1: and Zimmer, like, okay, fun, I'll definitely take it over
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore or like bringing Jason Garrett back or whatever
Speaker 1: the old other options would be.
Speaker 2: I mean, the other options feel like it would be
Speaker 2: such a tired like they'd go and get Doug Peterson.
Speaker 2: They would just go and get a venturing guy to
Speaker 2: come in replay the mccathey thing. And I think you're
Speaker 2: right on Jerry Jones. I've defended what they've done in
Speaker 2: the last few years in terms of he is not
Speaker 2: grinding the film and making all the decisions they have.
Speaker 2: Decision makes you make it, but he is in charge
Speaker 2: of the big boy ones right, he is in charge
Speaker 2: of the first round draft pick. That's his call, even
Speaker 2: though he's done a good job. I think at times
Speaker 2: of stepping back and saying, well, I've taken on all
Speaker 2: the information, I'll take the right player, and then picking
Speaker 2: the head coach and not signing a coach to an
Speaker 2: extension that you want to keep around to. Then maybe
Speaker 2: it is from another team that that's why I'll go
Speaker 2: there instead and decides to walk away from the negotiating table.
Speaker 2: So if this is his call, it really really does
Speaker 2: concern me. Mean, the list of candidates is so thin
Speaker 2: compared everyone else. To make it so you can't go
Speaker 2: and interview guys who are actively in the playoffs because
Speaker 2: you let go of your coach too late is really bizarre.
Speaker 2: And I just hope more than I think that it's
Speaker 2: is a true wild card. I would love to have
Speaker 2: a different name in the mix. I think this way
Speaker 2: we do things of guy calls plays well, make him
Speaker 2: head coach is like a really Neanderthal way of doing
Speaker 2: things and the different ways of doing this. So if
Speaker 2: it was a fun, outside the box hire, that would
Speaker 2: get me excited. Even if it is Guy Calls plays
Speaker 2: well and it's like a Steve sarkiz in and he
Speaker 2: tries to replicate Jimmy Johnson stuff from back in the
Speaker 2: day the end of his career to drops a bag
Speaker 2: for Steve Soakes and something like that would excite me
Speaker 2: more than what I think might wind up happening, which
Speaker 2: is they just go and get a retread head coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't know if they're plugged in enough
Speaker 1: to come up with those names. Now, maybe Steven Jones
Speaker 1: would be more likely to be plugged in. Maybe if he,
Speaker 1: like asked Will McLay, whose contract I believe is also
Speaker 1: up by the way, who runs their personnel department. You know,
Speaker 1: if he's asking him for some input of who would
Speaker 1: be some good like that's who they need to be asking.
Speaker 1: But you get the sense he doesn't really ask outside
Speaker 1: the family. Let's talk about the Jets who have interviewed
Speaker 1: enough head coaches and gms to fill out an entire
Speaker 1: starting offense and defense and starting special teams with a
Speaker 1: couple people left over. I think we're up to fifteen
Speaker 1: GM interviews and twelve head coaches. The gms, you know,
Speaker 1: some good ones, some of the up and comers that
Speaker 1: you would expect to see on some of these lists.
Speaker 1: Mike Greenberg and Tampa has a lot of fans around
Speaker 1: the league. Alec Hallaby, who's the assistant GM with the
Speaker 1: Eagles and has an analytical background. I got an interview,
Speaker 1: But so did Jim Naggy, the Senior Bowl guy. So
Speaker 1: did Ryan Grigson, who's so did Chris Spielman, and then
Speaker 1: just like a lot of people in between, so that
Speaker 1: one's odd. And then the head coaching one. They did
Speaker 1: have a wild card Mike Loxley, the Maryland head coach,
Speaker 1: which I like seeing that name just because like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess you're thinking originally here that's different. And then Rabel.
Speaker 1: They interviewed Matt Naggie, Joe Brady, Brian Flores, Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, Darren Rizzy from the Saints, Rex Ryan, Bobby Slowick,
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, and Steve Spagnolo. And just on Tuesday, Adam
Speaker 1: Schefter said they are looking to expand their search. Twelve
Speaker 1: is not enough. They are looking for more.
Speaker 2: I am ready and available for coles. Missus Johnson, you
Speaker 2: can call me. I will interview. Get that on the resume.
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is just a crackers list. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable to speak to Bobby Slowak after the season
Speaker 2: he had is pretty embarrassing. To speak to Office Smith,
Speaker 2: is embarrassing. To speak to Mike Loxley. You said you
Speaker 2: like that one. I mean, that is one of the
Speaker 2: old time most strange interviews any NFL franchise.
Speaker 1: I know anything about him. I'm just like, well, at
Speaker 1: least he came up with a name that I hadn't
Speaker 1: really thought of, So I have no idea if he's
Speaker 1: a good coach, is.
Speaker 2: A bad coach who once famously punched one of his
Speaker 2: staff members. I don't think that's exactly the culture reset
Speaker 2: that the Jets are looking for. I guess it is
Speaker 2: outside the box. I almost think hiring Jeff Saturday makes
Speaker 2: more sense in interviewing.
Speaker 1: Mike Loxley, folks, So maybe like on Mike Bloxley and
Speaker 1: you have it in there as like offensive coordinator. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about the Jets right now.
Speaker 2: It's it's just so strange. I mean, even interviewing Rex
Speaker 2: Ryan again, who I've actually lobbied for I really want
Speaker 2: back in the league. I think the way the league's
Speaker 2: trended defensively, it's all got the fingerprints of Rex Ryan
Speaker 2: all over. I think if he was engaged and willing
Speaker 2: and had all the vigorant I need to run a
Speaker 2: defense properly, he could still be on the best D
Speaker 2: season league. Just with the way the league has gone stylistically.
Speaker 2: To have him come back and be the head coach
Speaker 2: where it's just like a pure ego play and it's
Speaker 2: all teeth and he's not that involved in the game
Speaker 2: planning day to day is not something I would want
Speaker 2: to sign up for. So you'd have to certainly figure
Speaker 2: that out. There's just no way of knowing what they
Speaker 2: actually what the actual vision is, what they're looking for
Speaker 2: based on the candidate's list, whether they want to go
Speaker 2: and do e McCown, you go a bit off the
Speaker 2: wall and get the QB coach before anyone else gets him.
Speaker 2: Do you try and go with one of the younger guys,
Speaker 2: or do you roll in a Ron Rivera and everyone
Speaker 2: is very mad at you for two seasons until you
Speaker 2: have another research right.
Speaker 1: It's hard to know because it's Mike Tannenbaum who's essentially
Speaker 1: running this search. He doesn't even work for the Jets.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's getting paid by them. Now as a consultant.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me at all if this ended with
Speaker 1: Mike Tannenbaum working for the Jets.
Speaker 2: Oh, this has got dig Cheney. The best candidate was
Speaker 2: in the mirror all along, and he's rolling back Tanenbaum
Speaker 2: and Rex Ryan. It's got that rent all over it.
Speaker 1: I see. I can't imagine Rex. You make a good
Speaker 1: point that he would be an interesting play caller, and
Speaker 1: yet you don't. I don't know if it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's maybe made enough money that he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: become a defensive coordinator again and be in a subordinate
Speaker 1: role necessarily. Maybe he would, Maybe he would take those interviews.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Steelers. I listened to Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. There weren't a ton of takeaways. He was
Speaker 1: very noncommittal on the quarterbacks, says we'll consider keeping them.
Speaker 1: He was much more positive for what it's worth on
Speaker 1: justin fields then Russell Wilson. He said age would be
Speaker 1: a factor with what they're thinking about. He says he's
Speaker 1: open to changing his offensive philosophies and kind of how
Speaker 1: he approaches things. But I guess kind of the proof
Speaker 1: is in what's actually happening. It doesn't sound like Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith is going anywhere, although he certainly wouldn't reveal that
Speaker 1: at a press conference if he was. No one really
Speaker 1: even asked him about that. I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do at the quarterback position, but he made a
Speaker 1: point to say, look, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, they
Speaker 1: did not come from early in the first round. We
Speaker 1: don't have to try to get a high draft pick
Speaker 1: just to get a quarterback, which I agree with Jordan
Speaker 1: Love wasn't there. There are other routes to do it,
Speaker 1: but you got to try to get one. Just because
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett didn't go well, like doesn't mean you should
Speaker 1: stop trying to draft quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: No, I think they need some kind of radical change
Speaker 2: when the top defense for the head coach, beyond the
Speaker 2: fact he's not a losing season, which is true and
Speaker 2: real and I accept, is that everyone else would want him.
Speaker 2: I find a really difficult argument to take in that
Speaker 2: we have to set your calendar by the shift to
Speaker 2: tweet comes out that there's teams he would fire their
Speaker 2: sitting head coach they want to tray for Mike Tumlin.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, well, what is he doing in the
Speaker 2: place he's actually in. And what's happening is they keep
Speaker 2: losing playoff games and it's not competitive and they get
Speaker 2: smoked in the first quarter every time that last five
Speaker 2: playoff games, it's been seventy three to zero in the
Speaker 2: first quarter. They are not competitive when it matters most,
Speaker 2: and so they need some I think of serious oval,
Speaker 2: whether it's letting both coodinate this go. I think the
Speaker 2: greatest thing that could happen to them is that all
Speaker 2: the Smith is hided by the Jets and it gives
Speaker 2: him a get out of jail freak to try something different.
Speaker 2: They should have tried something different before. They should try
Speaker 2: something different now. And I think defensively, he's going to
Speaker 2: ovol things as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he mentioned to possibly changing how they do defenses.
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at everything. TJ. Watt said, I got
Speaker 1: to look at you know, being more willing to play
Speaker 1: on the other side. I guess it's TJ. Watt calling
Speaker 1: his shot that he basically stays on one side, and
Speaker 1: that seems crazy to me. Mika Fitzpatrick seemed to be
Speaker 1: in the middle of something where people were angry at
Speaker 1: each other on the Steelers defense at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, and Minka said, I don't have anything good
Speaker 1: to say, so I don't want to say anything at
Speaker 1: all and refuse to talk to the media. So something
Speaker 1: is going on there. I don't really know what it is.
Speaker 1: And yet I would like, there's no chance that they're
Speaker 1: getting rid of Mike Tomlin, nor do I think they should.
Speaker 1: And there's probably not much of a chance that he's
Speaker 1: really going to change anything dramatically because at this point,
Speaker 1: why would we expect that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he would do it. It's just
Speaker 2: difficult when someone's like top thing is that they are
Speaker 2: the culture setter and they lead the program, and the
Speaker 2: hiring choices have been really poor, and the culture has
Speaker 2: been pretty fractured for multiple years, where guys aren't being
Speaker 2: held accountable for coming leg guys miss planes, and it's
Speaker 2: just like, if that's the culture, I mean, culture can
Speaker 2: be done in many different ways, but if that's the culture,
Speaker 2: then it's not shining as strongly as it should be
Speaker 2: based on the reputation. So the only avenue hour of
Speaker 2: this is to look into a quarterback. Frankly, to take
Speaker 2: some one in the twenties that people didn't see coming
Speaker 2: and that they should have gone in the top five
Speaker 2: to trade for. Can you pull off a trade for
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy or you The TV just says, whatever, We'll
Speaker 2: go and give sam Don all the crazy money and
Speaker 2: hope that this thing was real for nine weeks. You know,
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to try and take it.
Speaker 2: Do you call the Cardinals and say, here's two first
Speaker 2: round picks for Kyler Murray, you guys in that business
Speaker 2: or not. I think they need to take some kind
Speaker 2: of major swing, and I just have no faith that
Speaker 2: it's going to be like a complete schematic oval.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we're about to talk about Elliott Well.
Speaker 1: His dad Ronen Wolf always used to say, take a
Speaker 1: quarterback every year, especially if you don't have one, you
Speaker 1: got it, which is why I wouldn't hate the idea
Speaker 1: of Justin Fields or Russell Wilson for that matter, although
Speaker 1: I guess we Field makes more sense to me with
Speaker 1: a draft pick. But you have to take a draft pick.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a maybe it's even a third round pick.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they work out. You just got to keep trying
Speaker 1: until you find on. All right, let's talk about Elliott Wolf.
Speaker 1: One part of the Mike Rabel press conference. I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting is he says he has a shared vision
Speaker 1: with Elliott Wolf. But then his first hire as a
Speaker 1: head coach is this guy Ryan Cowden, who was his
Speaker 1: guy back in Tennessee, who's a personnel guy. It's been
Speaker 1: reported that he's coming into the building under Elliott Wolf,
Speaker 1: and so I thought that was interesting. But that just
Speaker 1: sets up potential palace intrigue again, which happened with Rabel
Speaker 1: in Tennessee and has been happening in Foxborough for a
Speaker 1: while too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these dynamics going to be interesting and it will
Speaker 2: be full game of Thrones. I think Rabel being so
Speaker 2: empowered means it's only ending one way. I don't think
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf is standing up to that one and it's
Speaker 2: probably his best interest to figure out how to make
Speaker 2: it work. And I did have a smile on my
Speaker 2: face when Rabel was let go for falling out with
Speaker 2: wrong Cawthorne for basically how they evaluate the players. He
Speaker 2: had one way he wanted to do it. Carthorne had
Speaker 2: this new, you know, hip exotic way of vout and players,
Speaker 2: and you go through the list of what Carthorne did
Speaker 2: over the time he was then it's just disaster draft
Speaker 2: to disaster. Meanwhile, Vrabel took his teams to AFC wins
Speaker 2: in the playoffs every other season, so I think that
Speaker 2: the jury's out on which way was going. And this
Speaker 2: is the guy he wanted in Tennessee and they picked
Speaker 2: Carthorne instead, So at least that will be a unified vision.
Speaker 2: And Elliot Wolf's first draft was not exactly Gangbusters right
Speaker 2: when he was finally running the shows after being touted
Speaker 2: for fifteen years that this is the next great guy
Speaker 2: because his second name was Wolf. So I think if
Speaker 2: I was him, I'd get on board with the Verble
Speaker 2: way of doing things pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he will know the draft. You got
Speaker 1: to give it a little more time. But other than
Speaker 1: Drake May which was an obvious pick three, it was
Speaker 1: it was a fiasco. Let's listen to uh something from
Speaker 1: Rabel in that introductory press conference.
Speaker 4: We're going to earn the right to be here every day.
Speaker 4: We're gonna remove uh entitlement from from our football team.
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna get everything that we've earned from
Speaker 4: from the head coach to the position coaches, all the
Speaker 4: way down to the players. We're going to earn the
Speaker 4: right to be here every single day.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's in reference to Jalen Polk and Kean White
Speaker 1: in a handful of Patriots players who never seemed happy
Speaker 1: with with how they were being coach, or though maybe
Speaker 1: they had good beefs. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: What did I don't know if you've got a chance
Speaker 1: to watch the Rabel press covers, that little clip speaks
Speaker 1: to something that, just as a fan, kind of bothered me.
Speaker 1: Is he just seems so tired, like he did not
Speaker 1: seem like a first coach, like I just got a
Speaker 1: job energy. It was like the season has been going
Speaker 1: on for so long and he's just over it all
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'll I'll share something else I
Speaker 1: heard later, But just what did you think about that presser?
Speaker 2: Yeah? A little concerning, given it looks like he just
Speaker 2: came off a hellish season when he didn't and he
Speaker 2: had this job sewed up like six weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: he should have been in Cabo for six weeks. He
Speaker 2: left the Browns job early to go and sign the
Speaker 2: contract for this job and to look pretty out at me.
Speaker 2: I think he's one of those guys who's just over
Speaker 2: doing all this extra stuff and just wants to get
Speaker 2: on with actually building a football team. So I'll give
Speaker 2: him that grace at least. And that is a distinction
Speaker 2: between him and Mayo, which I think is why they
Speaker 2: decided they wanted for a bull anyway. So at least
Speaker 2: it wasn't as self destructive as calling your own team
Speaker 2: Solf three weeks into the job, naming a star, so
Speaker 2: that doesn't star on things like that.
Speaker 1: No, he got great reviews. Everyone loved it. He knows
Speaker 1: half the people in the media room because the media
Speaker 1: room is fairly similar to how it was back then.
Speaker 1: He's talking to Karen Garusian from Boston, Harrold, He's talking
Speaker 1: to Tom Curran, and it's a lot of familiar faces
Speaker 1: to him. But some of those were part of the
Speaker 1: in house Patriots show I don't even know what you
Speaker 1: call it group. And that was where I saw something.
Speaker 1: I just flipped it on. It was still live. It
Speaker 1: was like an hour and a half after his presser,
Speaker 1: and now he was still doing the rounds and maybe
Speaker 1: he was tired, but I clicked into it for just
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes and he had this whole thing
Speaker 1: about what's different this second time around, you know, what's
Speaker 1: it going to help you? It is just a real
Speaker 1: softball to end the interview, and he went on this
Speaker 1: wandering answer, and I felt like all his answers on
Speaker 1: Tuesday were kind of wandering. He never really would answer
Speaker 1: the questions. And that's fine, You're probably right. He just
Speaker 1: is sick. He doesn't want to do the media stuff
Speaker 1: and he's just saying whatever. But he he's had this
Speaker 1: whole long thing about well, the difference is second time around,
Speaker 1: is you know, there is an advantage to not knowing.
Speaker 1: You know, now you know everything that's going to come.
Speaker 1: And he sounded like very tired, just like thinking about that.
Speaker 1: And you know the other time, you know, last time,
Speaker 1: I only had one team that was, you know, interested,
Speaker 1: and I was really excited, and you take that job,
Speaker 1: and then you know, this time in theory, you got
Speaker 1: a couple different options and you get to you start
Speaker 1: second guessing yourself and you start overthinking it. And for
Speaker 1: a second, I'm like, is he that confident in taking
Speaker 1: this job at all? Like if the last second, did
Speaker 1: the Raiders come in hard or a different team come
Speaker 1: in hard? He literally just said, like I started overthinking
Speaker 1: it a lot maybe's talking about particular decisions that go
Speaker 1: along with it. I don't really know, but it was
Speaker 1: an amazing wind though into it. And then I looked
Speaker 1: back at the press covery. I was like, that does
Speaker 1: look like a guy to be on some level that's wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what's this the best job I could have taken? I
Speaker 1: know too much about this building.
Speaker 2: I do think once he realizes they have one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty million dollars in cap space and Zach Bourne
Speaker 2: as a free agent, I think he'll he'll perk up
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Him signing a linebacker for himself of thirty
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. Whatever he decides to do for
Speaker 2: Zach Bonne, I think we'll we'll cheer him up immensely.
Speaker 2: I think when you walk into a building that is
Speaker 2: that being that fractured for that long and things that
Speaker 2: are really basic in everyday life don't work. That's probably
Speaker 2: the exhaustion that he's dealing with stuff he did not
Speaker 2: even have to deal with in Tennessee, which is not
Speaker 2: exactly a great building when he got there, but really
Speaker 2: broken stuff all the way through the building, vending machines
Speaker 2: looking like simple things, right, I think that's going to
Speaker 2: take a toll on a guy who is probably thinking,
Speaker 2: I'm walking back into a team that's on the ground,
Speaker 2: but cap situations great. I've got the quote abag. He's
Speaker 2: spoken about that before publicly. That's probably pretty exhausting. Maybe
Speaker 2: he didn't quite expect to walk into that atmosphere in
Speaker 2: the first couple of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, if that's what needs doing
Speaker 1: in New England, he is the best candidate for the job.
Speaker 1: So I've i've I've been a little critical of the hire,
Speaker 1: just making it feel like more of the same. But
Speaker 1: maybe if everything is that broken, it's a lot to
Speaker 1: ask of an Aaron Glenn or of Ben Johnson to
Speaker 1: come in and try to fix that and Vrabels a
Speaker 1: better option. And I did think one quote he had
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me which was very Belichickian, which
Speaker 1: was we want to be good enough to take advantage
Speaker 1: of bad football and essentially said like were we good enough?
Speaker 1: You know, we're the Patriots good enough before no, like
Speaker 1: we were the bad football And so that's that's very
Speaker 1: BELICHICKI and I have noticed how how Belichick can't stop
Speaker 1: saying the nicest things about Mike Rabel and interviews when
Speaker 1: he didn't have one nice word for gerrodmeo, come on, man,
Speaker 1: it's like, come on.
Speaker 2: I was slightly concerned by the end, so he was
Speaker 2: rolling out. I think with his advanced analytics. Maybe he
Speaker 2: spent the week at PFF the Mike McCarthy did when
Speaker 2: he was talking about if you run the ball fullty times,
Speaker 2: you win seventy percent, he came to something like that
Speaker 2: unless you Tom Brady is like, oh no. I thought
Speaker 2: that maybe Mike was in a box because he had
Speaker 2: writing town and Ell and Derek Cameron. He realized the
Speaker 2: right way to win football games, and that was probably
Speaker 2: slightly concerning. Felt a little bit like we're in nineteen
Speaker 2: nineties football. Hopefully there's at least if you're going to
Speaker 2: establish the team that way, there's at least the don
Speaker 2: Quinn Seol mcdommott evolution of being aggressive.
Speaker 1: Yes, I like to think that was more when he
Speaker 1: was on autopilot, because he did a lot of media
Speaker 1: and that might have been like hour three into the media.
Speaker 1: He actually gave a really good answer about all the
Speaker 1: different types of things they wanted to be doing on
Speaker 1: offense and versatility that I like. During the original press coming.
Speaker 1: All right, let's just roll through a couple things more
Speaker 1: quickly and get out of here. The Seahawks offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: is fascinating because of who's in place there. You assume
Speaker 1: Gino is going to be back. You have the receivers.
Speaker 1: They've interviewed Hank Frehley, which is an out of the
Speaker 1: box idea. The offensive line coach of the Lions, fun,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Clint Kubiak, who I would think would be
Speaker 1: a pretty good candidate in this cycle, He's not going
Speaker 1: to get the Brown's job. The Brown's job is going
Speaker 1: to Tommy Reese, who a lot of people thought might
Speaker 1: go with Mike Rabel to New England, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And then Thomas Brown that the Bears offensive coordinator, got
Speaker 1: an interview with Seattle. Any thoughts on the Seattle situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really good job for someone
Speaker 2: to walk into that list of names. I find slightly confusing.
Speaker 2: You know, Ryan grob for all the fireworks of the
Speaker 2: passing game and all this creativity income from college, was
Speaker 2: an no lying guy himself, so they had no alying
Speaker 2: coach just the oh see, it didn't go very well.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can just bring a better guy, and I
Speaker 2: really thought they would maybe look at t Martin with
Speaker 2: the Ravens or the one guy I will be trying
Speaker 2: to pluck away. I think if I was into the team,
Speaker 2: will be Frank Smith with the Dolphins, just because you
Speaker 2: would get something completely different and original, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: cold plays in Miami. So it may be a lotchial move,
Speaker 2: but it would be probably a better launch pat to
Speaker 2: a head coaching gig. Particularly things go south next season
Speaker 2: if Tyreek Hill leaves all it just falls off a
Speaker 2: cliff with Mike McDaniel. So if I was the Sea Oaks,
Speaker 2: I think trying to pull Frank Smith over would be
Speaker 2: the move.
Speaker 1: I look, that's a name that hasn't been mentioned at all,
Speaker 1: and maybe it is because he has the OC title,
Speaker 1: but that it's a great point like titles do matter,
Speaker 1: which is one reason I haven't mentioned this Titans mess.
Speaker 1: It was a whole story last week that they had
Speaker 1: to get permission from the league to interview other gms
Speaker 1: because no one quite believed that it was a real
Speaker 1: GM job because they've made the President of Football Operations
Speaker 1: Chad Brinker have the final say, like he is in
Speaker 1: charge of football apparently all along he was winning Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones in Tennessee, that Chad Brinker was the guy
Speaker 1: who probably pushed Mike Rabel and Ron Karthon out or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's in charge now. But they do say the GM
Speaker 1: job is a real GM job, and they've interviewed like
Speaker 1: ten different people from around the league. Even though this
Speaker 1: guy Brinker is gonna have final say, But Titan's like
Speaker 1: sneaky up there in like the biggest messes of an
Speaker 1: organization that's out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a bit of a disaster. And I
Speaker 2: was not surprised kla I wasn't one and done, but
Speaker 2: I really thought that was in play, particularly if you
Speaker 2: get rid of the GM after that level of investment.
Speaker 2: They had a lot of offseason. I thought maybe they
Speaker 2: would just try and pull the rip cord early, but
Speaker 2: that that is a pretty gnally situation to walk into
Speaker 2: if you are not really making final stages off You
Speaker 2: are allowed to make final stations on the roster, but
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to make a call on the head coach,
Speaker 2: and that's the big bosses job, and you walk into
Speaker 2: a situation where you may have to let the coach
Speaker 2: go in the second year. It's pretty rough spot to
Speaker 2: walk into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they keep like just going through that cycle
Speaker 1: over and over, which is a cycle you want to
Speaker 1: get out of. Some defensive coordinator jobs that are open.
Speaker 1: The Cults are interviewing Dennis Allen, Steve Wolkes, and Lou
Speaker 1: and Arumo. Our very own Colleen Wolf broke the news
Speaker 1: that Lou and Arumo was interviewing with the Falcons. We
Speaker 1: hadn't even mentioned on this show that they fired their DC,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris is a defensive guy. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was scapegoating or just not a good fit,
Speaker 1: but ultimately that's on Raheem Morris for that defense not
Speaker 1: working well though. That would be fun. They're also interviewing
Speaker 1: Wink Martindale, who spent last year at Michigan. That would
Speaker 1: be fun. And then the forty nine ers haven't fired
Speaker 1: Nick Sorenson, but he's not going to be their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: They've essentially allowed him to be demoted if he wants
Speaker 1: to be, and it sounds like you're barring him getting
Speaker 1: some other good job. I think he'll just stay there
Speaker 1: under who does get the job, And I'm assuming it's
Speaker 1: Robert Sala, unless Robert Sala gets a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of holding it open for him because
Speaker 1: he interviewed with Kyle Shanahan and I'm just like wondering,
Speaker 1: what was that interview?
Speaker 2: A couple of bis, a couple of burskis, you know,
Speaker 2: tolkan Full. It's peculiar to demote your current DC for
Speaker 2: a free agent d C who you know would take
Speaker 2: the gig because he's your friend. Couldn't you just wait
Speaker 2: on that rather than do with one first. That's a
Speaker 2: bit strange. Wing's also into you with the Colts, so
Speaker 2: he's clearly coming back, which is a strange one for
Speaker 2: Michigan to be involved with where he's just doing for
Speaker 2: multiple jobs and hasn't told them whether he's leaving or
Speaker 2: not yet. Maybe he's not returning calls and he's he's
Speaker 2: pretty clear that he wants back in Luanna Arumo. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of Luanna Arumo. Those spots I
Speaker 2: don't think ideal spots to him. I think the Atlanta
Speaker 2: one is particularly weird because him and rahimars do not
Speaker 2: really run anything that's that compatible together, so that'd be
Speaker 2: a strange fit. Whether Marris just wants to be more
Speaker 2: of just the head coach and he felt he had
Speaker 2: to be more hands on with Jimmy Lake, who didn't
Speaker 2: quite have the same experience, I'm not sure. And he
Speaker 2: wants to maybe detach himself a little bit from the
Speaker 2: day to day of the defense. That may be able
Speaker 2: to work there. The personnel would work, but the personalities
Speaker 2: is at least a funny fit to think about. I
Speaker 2: would like that on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured lou would get a job, but there's
Speaker 1: not that many coordinator jobs open actually around the league.
Speaker 1: I guess there will be more when the new head
Speaker 1: coaches are hired, so Luke could also just wait to
Speaker 1: see if he's got a head coaching candidate that he
Speaker 1: would like to pair himself with. That's it. We did it.
Speaker 1: We went around pretty much every opening. I just was
Speaker 1: feeling like there was unfinished business. We just hadn't talked
Speaker 1: about this at all. Like I mentioned before, you check
Speaker 1: out Ali's substack the read optional. You have anything else
Speaker 1: Ali that you want to plug this week? You're wearing
Speaker 1: that red Sox hat here. You're becoming a Walker Buehler fan.
Speaker 2: There's nothing I'm plugging. I just really want this Dalon
Speaker 2: thing to happen. That's what I think I need in
Speaker 2: my life right now is Dion on the Cowboys for
Speaker 2: no other reason than entertainment. I will never watch ESPN again,
Speaker 2: That'll be unbearable, but I will certainly listen to NFL
Speaker 2: daily for all my deon Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Fix appreciate you. Yeah, people who complain about all the
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