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Speaker 1: Allow him to NFL Daily where we're always trying to

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Speaker 1: get entitlement out of the building. I'm Greg Rosenthal in

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Speaker 1: my garage talking across the sea to our friend Ali Connelly.

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Speaker 1: We had him on in the preseason. We talked about

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Speaker 1: talk some head coaching GM openings. Welcome, OLLI, how you doing,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How you I am good? Did the

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Speaker 1: entitlement line? That's from Mike Rabel. We'll get to him

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Speaker 1: in a bit. But I thought we've spent so much

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Speaker 1: Previewing all the games. We have a lot of great guests,

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Speaker 1: but like so much has been happening on the coach

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Speaker 1: on some level and some of these teams, Ali had,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the wild list of gms who aren't fired,

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Speaker 1: Yes, Mickey Loomis is one potentially like that, although I

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Speaker 1: roll through as many teams as we can. Everyone check

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Speaker 1: out Ali's substack. It is called The Read Optional. He

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Speaker 1: So I don't ask for much as a host, but

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Speaker 1: just let's show Ali we can. We can support him.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to his subst stack, and while you're there, give

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Speaker 1: us some good reviews on iTunes, Spotify. Why not? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the Raiders. I just think the Raiders

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't hate when people have long lists. I

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Speaker 1: they weren't going to the super Bowl anyways with that defense,

433
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,959
Speaker 1: but I would have liked to see them keep playing.

434
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 1: Do you think the Bucks would ever make the move

435
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: to get rid of Bulls if they felt like they

436
00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: needed to keep Cohen? Now, just some context for the listeners.

437
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: The Bucks multiple times have gotten rid of their coach

438
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: like a week later, like late in the process, like

439
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: suddenly John Gruden is out and it's the Tuesday, like

440
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: eight days after the the NFL season has ended, And

441
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: that's happened a few times. So it's been radio silent

442
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 1: there for now, which it doesn't make me wonder if

443
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 1: that's at least a possibility, because they wouldn't want Cohen

444
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: to leave.

445
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be a strong up possiblity

446
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 2: if he was interviewing in four or five places and

447
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 2: he was like the guy, which I think he should be.

448
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 2: I think he's really really special, and I think it's

449
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: foolish that he's not being interviewed everywhere. I think he

450
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: has seasoned this year really reminds me McVeigh and Washington,

451
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: where it is both special from a schematic point of

452
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: view and kind of like the m product of You

453
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: Go by EPA play points paget that is crushing people

454
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 2: all over the place, but then how he gets to

455
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: it by basically shape shifting the scheme every week to

456
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: plug holes to fix an offensive line that struggled for seasons,

457
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 2: and I thought by the end of the year was

458
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 2: the best overall unit, then maybe the Broncos and the

459
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 2: Eagles by the end of the thing. All the different creativity,

460
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: but then just finding a way to max all the

461
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: different puzzle pieces, changing Mike Evans's route distribution, all kinds

462
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 2: of little details, plus all the cool one off stuff.

463
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: I think where Balls is that it's almost I think

464
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: they'd have a really odd time firing him. But could

465
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: there be some kind of semi force retirement situation where

466
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: it's like Balls is ready to move on and we

467
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: really want to keep Liam at That's move I would

468
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: make purely because I think we know what the ceiling

469
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: has With top Balls. You just cannot at this point

470
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: correct the in game management issues. Some of the defensive

471
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 2: stuff has tailed off, though I still think he's one

472
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: of the great defensive architects in the league and decidedly

473
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: done really well after the bye this season. I just

474
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: think it's really hard. It almost reminds me slightly of

475
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn and Kyle Shannon and where the league was

476
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: training in such a way you didn't want to get

477
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: out of the Kyle Shanner and business, even if you

478
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: really like Dan Quinn and thought he could be a

479
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: successful head coach somewhere, and you just don't want to

480
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: miss that and have it go to Jacksonville and they're

481
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: going to the playoffs three years in a row, and

482
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Speaker 2: your two years down the line and balls hire as

483
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Speaker 2: a dud o c he has a in game management

484
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: snappy with the cossual playoff spot and you're looking going, wow,

485
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: we had Litam Cohen in our building.

486
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that would be a tough scenario. Ultimately, I

487
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have their cake Andy of too. They'll

488
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: probably have them both back, which would be excellent. And

489
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: give Todd Bowles credit for the hires. I mean, I

490
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: don't know if it's all him making these hires, but

491
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: if Mike Tomlin could choose ocs like Todd Bowles could, like,

492
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: they would be winning playoff games in Pittsburgh. And I

493
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: don't I don't even need to see what happens this offseason.

494
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: Like the Bucks are gonna be my pick to win

495
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: that division unless they totally have a brutal offseason. They

496
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: have a lot to like you mentioned the offensive line

497
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: and then the coaching returning, and the defense has room

498
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: to improve. Certainly next year, let's go to one of

499
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: their division rivals, which is a mester right now, the

500
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints their interview list, at least in terms

501
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: of their desires. Mike Kofka again, Aaron Glenn, who has

502
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: spent time in that building, might be one of the favorites.

503
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury reportedly Kellen Moore and Anthony Weaver, the Dolphins

504
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. They've also been tied to Mike McCarthy, although

505
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: that I don't think that's officially, you know, come up

506
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: that that was going to be a request. I wanted

507
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: to talk also about Mickey Loomis, who had so many

508
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: gems in his crazily defiant press conference on Monday that

509
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: I had to play some of them. Eric, Let's let's

510
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: throw up the Mickey Loomis one about the results not

511
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: being what he wanted.

512
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean, by the way, because the results aren't

513
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: what we want doesn't mean that we're doing something wrong.

514
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: There may be some circumstantial things here, but we have

515
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: to look at all of it and be honest with ourselves.

516
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: Hey, we didn't do a good job in that area.

517
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: We gotta do better.

518
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: How can we do better?

519
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: This man is saying he's got to be honest with himselves.

520
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: He started the press conference defending Dennis Allen Saint Derek

521
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Carr is a great quarterback, which I get why you

522
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: got you gotta stand up for Derek Carr right now.

523
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: But more than anything, the thing that drove me crazy

524
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: was that he said he's been drafting well, and it's like, what, Yeah,

525
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen was like a long time ago. If I'm

526
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: a Saints fan, I'm hoping for a coach that would

527
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: be powerful enough to push Mickey Loomis to the side,

528
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: but I'm losing confidence that that's a possibility.

529
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really thought when there was the weird press

530
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: release when they let go of Dennis Allen where Mick

531
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: Limis was like, he's actually a great NFL head coach

532
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: and I don't know why this is happening, that that

533
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: was just a tell that he'd already lost a power

534
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: struggle and he wouldn't be involved in this decision at all.

535
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: And I thought when they were kind of back channeling

536
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: early on that Aaron Glenn, you know, if he wants

537
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: the job, it's his job if he so decides that,

538
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: that was another tell like this is going to be

539
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: a complete reset. They've accepted, they're going to hire a

540
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: coach that they give at least three seasons, figure out

541
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: what the salary cap situation is, which is just still

542
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: a complete mess, and he'll be unburdened by that by

543
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: year two, year three, if they can just torch through

544
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: it in one season. For him to still being charged,

545
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: to be speaking in such a bizarre way with seemingly

546
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: no hold on any of the facts of his froster

547
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: entails and the situation there and is pretty concerning. Which

548
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: is one where Aaron Glenn, who I think could have

549
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: that job if he wants it. I think the other

550
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: ones are all fallback options if he gets a second

551
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: or the lines come up with a huge pay increase

552
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: where he goes it's not this year, call me the

553
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: year after you've done the one and done higher Mayo style.

554
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Aaron Glenn can probably get a

555
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: job in this cycle. It's really hard to ever turn

556
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: down in an NFL job. But the Saints and the

557
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: Jets and everything that you hear about Glenn in terms

558
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: of how he would be as kind of a leader

559
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: of an entire building makes him an attractive option. And

560
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: yet I think that the Saints are more likely to

561
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy. I kind of think that is the

562
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: direction they're gonna go, because the Saints remind me a

563
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: little bit of Dallas in that it's a really unique

564
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: setup where they've got their guys. They don't want to

565
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: go outside of their guys. McCarthy and Loomis go back

566
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: all the way to the early aughts when McCarthy was

567
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: there in New Orleans, and more than anything, I think

568
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like they would help each other have power, Like

569
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy would be a guy that Loomis is happy to

570
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: let do everything that he needs to do, but just

571
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: some whispers that effort. If he can land McCarthy, that

572
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: would almost be viewed potentially by ownership as like, hey,

573
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis, he's still got it, he can get us

574
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. And it actually guarantees them that they can

575
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: work together for the next three or four years.

576
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like the self preservation move, and I'm

577
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: not sure it's the worst move now. It's that's not bad.

578
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: You bring in the first time guy into that situation

579
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: where you either keep paying on the credit card and

580
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: then it comes due in two seasons or whatever, or

581
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: you decide to just tear it down in one year

582
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: and they get, you know, Lovely Smith or something out

583
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: of the door inside eighteen months. So I just don't

584
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: think it's the greatest spot for first time. I really

585
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: thought that Anthony Weaver would go in there. I think

586
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: he's got a chance to be a really talented head coach.

587
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: I think all the owners really like him. He's super intelligent,

588
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: he runs a creative scheme. It's right within the vanguard

589
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: of what everyone's looking for. Right, do we want a

590
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell? Do you want to Mike McDonald? You want

591
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: to Sean Mcveighwell, Weavers right there in both the Campbell

592
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: and McDonald type will where you get the kind of

593
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: lead or a men type personality, but they're really cool

594
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: innovative scheme. I thought he'd go in and maybe blow

595
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: away one these teams who wanted to do the retread higher, right,

596
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: the Jets, the Saints. You maybe want more of an

597
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: adult in there where he could come in and convince

598
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: them that I'm kind of a bit of both, where

599
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: I've been around the block for a while, I know

600
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: how to run a program, but then also I've got

601
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: this really cool innovative scheme, So I like him as

602
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: an outside bet. If Glenn just says no, and then

603
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they can't look out the McCarthy. But

604
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think my mccaughy's just a better coach,

605
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: and people think I think he's a complete floor raiser.

606
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: It's not going to get you excited, you won't throw parades,

607
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: you probably won't raise a Lombardy while he's there. But

608
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: I do think he'll be a floor raiser. And if

609
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: they're still in that view that we can be competitive

610
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: and we can keep pushing this thing out, then he

611
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: does make logical sense though.

612
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he could hire a staff, which they might

613
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: be starting late in the process. I agree. That's the

614
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think it's a bad hire for

615
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: them for where they're at, and if we're just assuming

616
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is there anyways, if I was a fan

617
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: of the Saints, it's probably the best you could do.

618
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: One thing was clear from that press conference is there's

619
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: no way there tearing it down. He wouldn't even recognize

620
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: that they have any salary cap issues, and he liked

621
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: the roster. He says you can turn things around in

622
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: a second. In this league, and he is not looking

623
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: to the future, although he isn't really looking at tankthon

624
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: very often either. Let's let's listen to him talk about

625
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: his draft pick.

626
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: Know, it's not like we have the first pick of

627
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: the draft. It's it's you know, we're at ten.

628
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: I think it is that a call right now? Nine?

629
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: Excuse me? It was ten before. I mean, it's pretty bad, right,

630
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm not an immediate fireable offense. You ask your coaches

631
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: to sleep on mattresses, to miss all that kids doneficitals,

632
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: to not grow with that family dove with the highest

633
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: divorce right behind lawyers in America. And the guy doesn't

634
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: know where he's drafting.

635
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Right, Like, what's he doing scouring the waiver wire for

636
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: Pelicans players? Still? I thought he's out of that business.

637
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: How does he not know what what pick he has?

638
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that should be a bigger story. I'm

639
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: glad we got it into this shoe. Let's take a

640
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: quick break here, We're gonna come back. There's a lot

641
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: of other situations which are really interesting. The Cowboys, the Jets.

642
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Mike Rabel.

643
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: We've got Ali Connolly back after the break, Well.

644
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: First of all, look, we get the best professional sports

645
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: league in the world, right, and there's thirty two jobs,

646
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: and a lot of guys want to be head coached,

647
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: so every job is attractive.

648
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: They just are including ours.

649
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: All right. It's catch up on the coaching and GM

650
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: situations day on NFL Daily. And the Cowboys letting Mike

651
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: McCarthy walk didn't want to give him extra years on

652
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: his contract apparently was where they were really disagreeing on things.

653
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: So whether it was McCarthy kind of leaving or Dallas

654
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: letting him leave, he is no longer there. And every

655
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: name that they throw out for a potential coach gets Wilder,

656
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Oli got Dion is in the mix. Supposedly. Jason Witten

657
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: has been now mentioned by multiple outlets. Don't be surprised

658
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: if Jason Witten gets in the mix. That was from

659
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk, among other places. Mike Zimmer has been mentioned.

660
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think as a head coach, but maybe Jerry

661
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: would force him on as a defensive coordinator, which wouldn't

662
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: necessarily be a bad idea. And maybe he's, you know,

663
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of like the guy that Jerry's got in his

664
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: back pocket in case nothing else works out, And just

665
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: makes the head coach Kellen Moore has been brought up,

666
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of familiar faces. What

667
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: do you think about the cowboy situation.

668
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the strangest situation we've seen. I think

669
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: it's some time. To let a coach go into the

670
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: final year of his contract is a strange thing anyway.

671
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: You just don't see that in any professional spill. Right,

672
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: It's known as a lame dug, So you just let

673
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: the guy go the second it's son. Even guys like

674
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson, who was not actually technically a lame dunk.

675
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: He knew after London like I'm out he got the

676
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: team kind of quit.

677
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: They did it with Darren though they did the exact

678
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: same thing with Garrett.

679
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: Actually, this is the cheapness of the franchise, which is

680
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: just so peculiar. And then to look at the list

681
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: and go, okay, So if there's a Mike Zimma thing there,

682
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: that would sound to me like we could repair Keller Moore,

683
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: a guy we know, which is a very jerry thing

684
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: right with the old hands, so we can kind of

685
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: help Gan through, which I don't think would be the

686
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: silliest move. I'm not pro Kellen Moore as a head coach.

687
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly pro Kellen Moore as an oci anyway,

688
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: but moving him to the head coach, maybe he's just

689
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: better at that job than is just calling plays and

690
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: running an offense. But you see this with Mayo Hackett.

691
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: The guys who have really terrible times are just having

692
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: this really inexperienced staff who've just not been around or

693
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: being those roles before. So maybe keeping Zimmer there and

694
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: pairing him with a younger guy would at least give

695
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: you some of that where they know how to get

696
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: the planes to run on time and stuff like that.

697
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: The additt one I think is de On. I mean,

698
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Deon's statement was absolutely just peculiar. I think it's I

699
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: don't know, you are really good at deciphering what people

700
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: are really saying when they release these statements, and that

701
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: really read to me as I want the job, but

702
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to be embarrassed if you don't offer

703
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: me the job. Therefore I'll say intrigued by it, and

704
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: we've spoke, and if you offer it me, I may

705
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: take it, but I don't want to get make it

706
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: look like I was turned down if I'm not off

707
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: with the job.

708
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head here.

709
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: It was to hear from Jerry Jones is truly delightful

710
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: and it's intriguing. I love Jerry, and I believe in Jerry.

711
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: After you hang up and process it, think about it,

712
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: it's intriguing. But I love Boulder and everything there is

713
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: about our team, the coaches, our student body, and the community.

714
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: And that's one directly to Adam Schefter, which is interesting too.

715
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: I get the sense it's more people around Dion pushing

716
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: and maybe Deane's agent pushing this idea. Michael Irvin's been

717
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: pushing this idea, and Jerry's open to it enough to

718
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: have it do a few news cycles, but no one's

719
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: really sure what he thinks, which I think is a

720
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: growing problem for the Cowboys. I don't think it's agism

721
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: to talk about your ability to run an NFL team

722
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: at the same level that you did thirty years ago

723
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: and you're in your mid eighties. Those were legitimate questions

724
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: to be the president of the country. It's a legitimate

725
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: question for the ownership of the team. And one of

726
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: the things you consistently hear out of Dallas is well,

727
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: Jerry's not sure like Jerry, Like even with Mike McCarthy publicly,

728
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: he was really trying to make the bridge to keeping McCarthy.

729
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: I think he thought he was keeping McCarthy, and McCarthy

730
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: maybe stood up to Jerry Jones more than he expected,

731
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: and he sounds like he doesn't necessarily know what he wants.

732
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: The thing I would be fun about Dion other than

733
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: it just would be a fun team to cover, would

734
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: be he would definitely keep Zimmer. He loves Mike Zimmer.

735
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: Those two love each other, and you're given me Dion

736
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: and Zimmer, like, okay, fun, I'll definitely take it over

737
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore or like bringing Jason Garrett back or whatever

738
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: the old other options would be.

739
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, the other options feel like it would be

740
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: such a tired like they'd go and get Doug Peterson.

741
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: They would just go and get a venturing guy to

742
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: come in replay the mccathey thing. And I think you're

743
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: right on Jerry Jones. I've defended what they've done in

744
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: the last few years in terms of he is not

745
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: grinding the film and making all the decisions they have.

746
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: Decision makes you make it, but he is in charge

747
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: of the big boy ones right, he is in charge

748
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: of the first round draft pick. That's his call, even

749
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: though he's done a good job. I think at times

750
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: of stepping back and saying, well, I've taken on all

751
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: the information, I'll take the right player, and then picking

752
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: the head coach and not signing a coach to an

753
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: extension that you want to keep around to. Then maybe

754
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: it is from another team that that's why I'll go

755
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: there instead and decides to walk away from the negotiating table.

756
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: So if this is his call, it really really does

757
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: concern me. Mean, the list of candidates is so thin

758
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: compared everyone else. To make it so you can't go

759
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: and interview guys who are actively in the playoffs because

760
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: you let go of your coach too late is really bizarre.

761
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: And I just hope more than I think that it's

762
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: is a true wild card. I would love to have

763
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: a different name in the mix. I think this way

764
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: we do things of guy calls plays well, make him

765
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: head coach is like a really Neanderthal way of doing

766
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: things and the different ways of doing this. So if

767
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: it was a fun, outside the box hire, that would

768
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: get me excited. Even if it is Guy Calls plays

769
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: well and it's like a Steve sarkiz in and he

770
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: tries to replicate Jimmy Johnson stuff from back in the

771
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: day the end of his career to drops a bag

772
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: for Steve Soakes and something like that would excite me

773
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: more than what I think might wind up happening, which

774
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: is they just go and get a retread head coach.

775
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't know if they're plugged in enough

776
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: to come up with those names. Now, maybe Steven Jones

777
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: would be more likely to be plugged in. Maybe if he,

778
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: like asked Will McLay, whose contract I believe is also

779
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: up by the way, who runs their personnel department. You know,

780
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: if he's asking him for some input of who would

781
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: be some good like that's who they need to be asking.

782
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: But you get the sense he doesn't really ask outside

783
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: the family. Let's talk about the Jets who have interviewed

784
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: enough head coaches and gms to fill out an entire

785
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: starting offense and defense and starting special teams with a

786
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: couple people left over. I think we're up to fifteen

787
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: GM interviews and twelve head coaches. The gms, you know,

788
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: some good ones, some of the up and comers that

789
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: you would expect to see on some of these lists.

790
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: Mike Greenberg and Tampa has a lot of fans around

791
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: the league. Alec Hallaby, who's the assistant GM with the

792
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: Eagles and has an analytical background. I got an interview,

793
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: But so did Jim Naggy, the Senior Bowl guy. So

794
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: did Ryan Grigson, who's so did Chris Spielman, and then

795
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: just like a lot of people in between, so that

796
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: one's odd. And then the head coaching one. They did

797
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: have a wild card Mike Loxley, the Maryland head coach,

798
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: which I like seeing that name just because like, Okay,

799
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I guess you're thinking originally here that's different. And then Rabel.

800
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: They interviewed Matt Naggie, Joe Brady, Brian Flores, Aaron Glenn,

801
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, Darren Rizzy from the Saints, Rex Ryan, Bobby Slowick,

802
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, and Steve Spagnolo. And just on Tuesday, Adam

803
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Schefter said they are looking to expand their search. Twelve

804
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: is not enough. They are looking for more.

805
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: I am ready and available for coles. Missus Johnson, you

806
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: can call me. I will interview. Get that on the resume.

807
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is just a crackers list. I mean,

808
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable to speak to Bobby Slowak after the season

809
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: he had is pretty embarrassing. To speak to Office Smith,

810
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: is embarrassing. To speak to Mike Loxley. You said you

811
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: like that one. I mean, that is one of the

812
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: old time most strange interviews any NFL franchise.

813
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I know anything about him. I'm just like, well, at

814
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: least he came up with a name that I hadn't

815
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: really thought of, So I have no idea if he's

816
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: a good coach, is.

817
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: A bad coach who once famously punched one of his

818
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: staff members. I don't think that's exactly the culture reset

819
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: that the Jets are looking for. I guess it is

820
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 2: outside the box. I almost think hiring Jeff Saturday makes

821
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: more sense in interviewing.

822
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Mike Loxley, folks, So maybe like on Mike Bloxley and

823
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: you have it in there as like offensive coordinator. Yeah.

824
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about the Jets right now.

825
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: It's it's just so strange. I mean, even interviewing Rex

826
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: Ryan again, who I've actually lobbied for I really want

827
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: back in the league. I think the way the league's

828
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: trended defensively, it's all got the fingerprints of Rex Ryan

829
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: all over. I think if he was engaged and willing

830
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: and had all the vigorant I need to run a

831
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: defense properly, he could still be on the best D

832
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 2: season league. Just with the way the league has gone stylistically.

833
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: To have him come back and be the head coach

834
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: where it's just like a pure ego play and it's

835
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: all teeth and he's not that involved in the game

836
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: planning day to day is not something I would want

837
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: to sign up for. So you'd have to certainly figure

838
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: that out. There's just no way of knowing what they

839
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: actually what the actual vision is, what they're looking for

840
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: based on the candidate's list, whether they want to go

841
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: and do e McCown, you go a bit off the

842
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: wall and get the QB coach before anyone else gets him.

843
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: Do you try and go with one of the younger guys,

844
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: or do you roll in a Ron Rivera and everyone

845
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: is very mad at you for two seasons until you

846
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: have another research right.

847
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to know because it's Mike Tannenbaum who's essentially

848
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: running this search. He doesn't even work for the Jets.

849
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's getting paid by them. Now as a consultant.

850
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me at all if this ended with

851
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Mike Tannenbaum working for the Jets.

852
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Oh, this has got dig Cheney. The best candidate was

853
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: in the mirror all along, and he's rolling back Tanenbaum

854
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: and Rex Ryan. It's got that rent all over it.

855
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I see. I can't imagine Rex. You make a good

856
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: point that he would be an interesting play caller, and

857
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: yet you don't. I don't know if it sounds like

858
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: he's maybe made enough money that he doesn't want to

859
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: become a defensive coordinator again and be in a subordinate

860
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: role necessarily. Maybe he would, Maybe he would take those interviews.

861
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Steelers. I listened to Mike Tomlin

862
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. There weren't a ton of takeaways. He was

863
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: very noncommittal on the quarterbacks, says we'll consider keeping them.

864
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: He was much more positive for what it's worth on

865
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: justin fields then Russell Wilson. He said age would be

866
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: a factor with what they're thinking about. He says he's

867
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: open to changing his offensive philosophies and kind of how

868
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: he approaches things. But I guess kind of the proof

869
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: is in what's actually happening. It doesn't sound like Arthur

870
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Smith is going anywhere, although he certainly wouldn't reveal that

871
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: at a press conference if he was. No one really

872
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: even asked him about that. I don't know what they're

873
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna do at the quarterback position, but he made a

874
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: point to say, look, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, they

875
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: did not come from early in the first round. We

876
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: don't have to try to get a high draft pick

877
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: just to get a quarterback, which I agree with Jordan

878
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: Love wasn't there. There are other routes to do it,

879
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: but you got to try to get one. Just because

880
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett didn't go well, like doesn't mean you should

881
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: stop trying to draft quarterbacks.

882
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: No, I think they need some kind of radical change

883
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: when the top defense for the head coach, beyond the

884
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: fact he's not a losing season, which is true and

885
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: real and I accept, is that everyone else would want him.

886
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: I find a really difficult argument to take in that

887
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: we have to set your calendar by the shift to

888
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: tweet comes out that there's teams he would fire their

889
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: sitting head coach they want to tray for Mike Tumlin.

890
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, well, what is he doing in the

891
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: place he's actually in. And what's happening is they keep

892
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: losing playoff games and it's not competitive and they get

893
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: smoked in the first quarter every time that last five

894
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: playoff games, it's been seventy three to zero in the

895
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: first quarter. They are not competitive when it matters most,

896
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: and so they need some I think of serious oval,

897
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: whether it's letting both coodinate this go. I think the

898
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: greatest thing that could happen to them is that all

899
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: the Smith is hided by the Jets and it gives

900
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: him a get out of jail freak to try something different.

901
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: They should have tried something different before. They should try

902
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: something different now. And I think defensively, he's going to

903
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: ovol things as well.

904
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he mentioned to possibly changing how they do defenses.

905
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at everything. TJ. Watt said, I got

906
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: to look at you know, being more willing to play

907
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: on the other side. I guess it's TJ. Watt calling

908
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: his shot that he basically stays on one side, and

909
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: that seems crazy to me. Mika Fitzpatrick seemed to be

910
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of something where people were angry at

911
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: each other on the Steelers defense at the end of

912
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: the season, and Minka said, I don't have anything good

913
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: to say, so I don't want to say anything at

914
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: all and refuse to talk to the media. So something

915
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: is going on there. I don't really know what it is.

916
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: And yet I would like, there's no chance that they're

917
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: getting rid of Mike Tomlin, nor do I think they should.

918
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: And there's probably not much of a chance that he's

919
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: really going to change anything dramatically because at this point,

920
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: why would we expect that.

921
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he would do it. It's just

922
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: difficult when someone's like top thing is that they are

923
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: the culture setter and they lead the program, and the

924
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: hiring choices have been really poor, and the culture has

925
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: been pretty fractured for multiple years, where guys aren't being

926
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: held accountable for coming leg guys miss planes, and it's

927
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: just like, if that's the culture, I mean, culture can

928
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: be done in many different ways, but if that's the culture,

929
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: then it's not shining as strongly as it should be

930
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: based on the reputation. So the only avenue hour of

931
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: this is to look into a quarterback. Frankly, to take

932
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: some one in the twenties that people didn't see coming

933
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: and that they should have gone in the top five

934
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: to trade for. Can you pull off a trade for

935
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy or you The TV just says, whatever, We'll

936
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: go and give sam Don all the crazy money and

937
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: hope that this thing was real for nine weeks. You know,

938
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to try and take it.

939
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: Do you call the Cardinals and say, here's two first

940
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: round picks for Kyler Murray, you guys in that business

941
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: or not. I think they need to take some kind

942
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: of major swing, and I just have no faith that

943
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: it's going to be like a complete schematic oval.

944
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we're about to talk about Elliott Well.

945
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: His dad Ronen Wolf always used to say, take a

946
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: quarterback every year, especially if you don't have one, you

947
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: got it, which is why I wouldn't hate the idea

948
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: of Justin Fields or Russell Wilson for that matter, although

949
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: I guess we Field makes more sense to me with

950
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: a draft pick. But you have to take a draft pick.

951
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a maybe it's even a third round pick.

952
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes they work out. You just got to keep trying

953
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: until you find on. All right, let's talk about Elliott Wolf.

954
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: One part of the Mike Rabel press conference. I thought

955
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: was interesting is he says he has a shared vision

956
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: with Elliott Wolf. But then his first hire as a

957
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: head coach is this guy Ryan Cowden, who was his

958
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: guy back in Tennessee, who's a personnel guy. It's been

959
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: reported that he's coming into the building under Elliott Wolf,

960
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: and so I thought that was interesting. But that just

961
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: sets up potential palace intrigue again, which happened with Rabel

962
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: in Tennessee and has been happening in Foxborough for a

963
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: while too.

964
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, these dynamics going to be interesting and it will

965
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: be full game of Thrones. I think Rabel being so

966
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: empowered means it's only ending one way. I don't think

967
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf is standing up to that one and it's

968
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: probably his best interest to figure out how to make

969
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: it work. And I did have a smile on my

970
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: face when Rabel was let go for falling out with

971
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: wrong Cawthorne for basically how they evaluate the players. He

972
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: had one way he wanted to do it. Carthorne had

973
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: this new, you know, hip exotic way of vout and players,

974
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: and you go through the list of what Carthorne did

975
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: over the time he was then it's just disaster draft

976
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: to disaster. Meanwhile, Vrabel took his teams to AFC wins

977
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: in the playoffs every other season, so I think that

978
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: the jury's out on which way was going. And this

979
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: is the guy he wanted in Tennessee and they picked

980
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: Carthorne instead, So at least that will be a unified vision.

981
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: And Elliot Wolf's first draft was not exactly Gangbusters right

982
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: when he was finally running the shows after being touted

983
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: for fifteen years that this is the next great guy

984
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: because his second name was Wolf. So I think if

985
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: I was him, I'd get on board with the Verble

986
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: way of doing things pretty quick.

987
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he will know the draft. You got

988
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to give it a little more time. But other than

989
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: Drake May which was an obvious pick three, it was

990
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: it was a fiasco. Let's listen to uh something from

991
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Rabel in that introductory press conference.

992
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: We're going to earn the right to be here every day.

993
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 4: We're gonna remove uh entitlement from from our football team.

994
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna get everything that we've earned from

995
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: from the head coach to the position coaches, all the

996
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: way down to the players. We're going to earn the

997
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: right to be here every single day.

998
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's in reference to Jalen Polk and Kean White

999
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: in a handful of Patriots players who never seemed happy

1000
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: with with how they were being coach, or though maybe

1001
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: they had good beefs. I don't know what it was.

1002
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: What did I don't know if you've got a chance

1003
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: to watch the Rabel press covers, that little clip speaks

1004
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: to something that, just as a fan, kind of bothered me.

1005
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Is he just seems so tired, like he did not

1006
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: seem like a first coach, like I just got a

1007
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: job energy. It was like the season has been going

1008
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: on for so long and he's just over it all

1009
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'll I'll share something else I

1010
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: heard later, But just what did you think about that presser?

1011
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? A little concerning, given it looks like he just

1012
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: came off a hellish season when he didn't and he

1013
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: had this job sewed up like six weeks ago, and

1014
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: he should have been in Cabo for six weeks. He

1015
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: left the Browns job early to go and sign the

1016
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: contract for this job and to look pretty out at me.

1017
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: I think he's one of those guys who's just over

1018
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: doing all this extra stuff and just wants to get

1019
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: on with actually building a football team. So I'll give

1020
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: him that grace at least. And that is a distinction

1021
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: between him and Mayo, which I think is why they

1022
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: decided they wanted for a bull anyway. So at least

1023
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 2: it wasn't as self destructive as calling your own team

1024
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: Solf three weeks into the job, naming a star, so

1025
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't star on things like that.

1026
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: No, he got great reviews. Everyone loved it. He knows

1027
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: half the people in the media room because the media

1028
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: room is fairly similar to how it was back then.

1029
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: He's talking to Karen Garusian from Boston, Harrold, He's talking

1030
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: to Tom Curran, and it's a lot of familiar faces

1031
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: to him. But some of those were part of the

1032
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: in house Patriots show I don't even know what you

1033
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: call it group. And that was where I saw something.

1034
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I just flipped it on. It was still live. It

1035
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: was like an hour and a half after his presser,

1036
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: and now he was still doing the rounds and maybe

1037
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: he was tired, but I clicked into it for just

1038
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes and he had this whole thing

1039
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: about what's different this second time around, you know, what's

1040
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: it going to help you? It is just a real

1041
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: softball to end the interview, and he went on this

1042
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: wandering answer, and I felt like all his answers on

1043
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday were kind of wandering. He never really would answer

1044
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: the questions. And that's fine, You're probably right. He just

1045
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: is sick. He doesn't want to do the media stuff

1046
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: and he's just saying whatever. But he he's had this

1047
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: whole long thing about well, the difference is second time around,

1048
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: is you know, there is an advantage to not knowing.

1049
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, now you know everything that's going to come.

1050
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: And he sounded like very tired, just like thinking about that.

1051
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: And you know the other time, you know, last time,

1052
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: I only had one team that was, you know, interested,

1053
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: and I was really excited, and you take that job,

1054
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, this time in theory, you got

1055
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: a couple different options and you get to you start

1056
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: second guessing yourself and you start overthinking it. And for

1057
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: a second, I'm like, is he that confident in taking

1058
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: this job at all? Like if the last second, did

1059
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders come in hard or a different team come

1060
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: in hard? He literally just said, like I started overthinking

1061
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: it a lot maybe's talking about particular decisions that go

1062
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: along with it. I don't really know, but it was

1063
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: an amazing wind though into it. And then I looked

1064
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: back at the press covery. I was like, that does

1065
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: look like a guy to be on some level that's wondering, like,

1066
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: what's this the best job I could have taken? I

1067
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: know too much about this building.

1068
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: I do think once he realizes they have one hundred

1069
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: and thirty million dollars in cap space and Zach Bourne

1070
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: as a free agent, I think he'll he'll perk up

1071
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Him signing a linebacker for himself of thirty

1072
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. Whatever he decides to do for

1073
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Zach Bonne, I think we'll we'll cheer him up immensely.

1074
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Speaker 2: I think when you walk into a building that is

1075
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: that being that fractured for that long and things that

1076
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: are really basic in everyday life don't work. That's probably

1077
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: the exhaustion that he's dealing with stuff he did not

1078
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: even have to deal with in Tennessee, which is not

1079
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: exactly a great building when he got there, but really

1080
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: broken stuff all the way through the building, vending machines

1081
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: looking like simple things, right, I think that's going to

1082
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: take a toll on a guy who is probably thinking,

1083
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm walking back into a team that's on the ground,

1084
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: but cap situations great. I've got the quote abag. He's

1085
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: spoken about that before publicly. That's probably pretty exhausting. Maybe

1086
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: he didn't quite expect to walk into that atmosphere in

1087
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: the first couple of days.

1088
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, if that's what needs doing

1089
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: in New England, he is the best candidate for the job.

1090
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: So I've i've I've been a little critical of the hire,

1091
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: just making it feel like more of the same. But

1092
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: maybe if everything is that broken, it's a lot to

1093
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: ask of an Aaron Glenn or of Ben Johnson to

1094
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: come in and try to fix that and Vrabels a

1095
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: better option. And I did think one quote he had

1096
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me which was very Belichickian, which

1097
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: was we want to be good enough to take advantage

1098
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: of bad football and essentially said like were we good enough?

1099
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're the Patriots good enough before no, like

1100
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Speaker 1: we were the bad football And so that's that's very

1101
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Speaker 1: BELICHICKI and I have noticed how how Belichick can't stop

1102
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: saying the nicest things about Mike Rabel and interviews when

1103
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: he didn't have one nice word for gerrodmeo, come on, man,

1104
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: it's like, come on.

1105
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: I was slightly concerned by the end, so he was

1106
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: rolling out. I think with his advanced analytics. Maybe he

1107
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: spent the week at PFF the Mike McCarthy did when

1108
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: he was talking about if you run the ball fullty times,

1109
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: you win seventy percent, he came to something like that

1110
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: unless you Tom Brady is like, oh no. I thought

1111
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: that maybe Mike was in a box because he had

1112
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: writing town and Ell and Derek Cameron. He realized the

1113
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: right way to win football games, and that was probably

1114
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: slightly concerning. Felt a little bit like we're in nineteen

1115
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: nineties football. Hopefully there's at least if you're going to

1116
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: establish the team that way, there's at least the don

1117
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: Quinn Seol mcdommott evolution of being aggressive.

1118
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I like to think that was more when he

1119
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: was on autopilot, because he did a lot of media

1120
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: and that might have been like hour three into the media.

1121
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: He actually gave a really good answer about all the

1122
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: different types of things they wanted to be doing on

1123
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: offense and versatility that I like. During the original press coming.

1124
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: All right, let's just roll through a couple things more

1125
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: quickly and get out of here. The Seahawks offensive coordinator

1126
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: is fascinating because of who's in place there. You assume

1127
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Gino is going to be back. You have the receivers.

1128
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: They've interviewed Hank Frehley, which is an out of the

1129
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: box idea. The offensive line coach of the Lions, fun,

1130
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Clint Kubiak, who I would think would be

1131
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good candidate in this cycle, He's not going

1132
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: to get the Brown's job. The Brown's job is going

1133
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: to Tommy Reese, who a lot of people thought might

1134
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: go with Mike Rabel to New England, but that didn't happen.

1135
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: And then Thomas Brown that the Bears offensive coordinator, got

1136
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: an interview with Seattle. Any thoughts on the Seattle situation.

1137
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really good job for someone

1138
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: to walk into that list of names. I find slightly confusing.

1139
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: You know, Ryan grob for all the fireworks of the

1140
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: passing game and all this creativity income from college, was

1141
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: an no lying guy himself, so they had no alying

1142
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 2: coach just the oh see, it didn't go very well.

1143
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: Maybe they can just bring a better guy, and I

1144
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: really thought they would maybe look at t Martin with

1145
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: the Ravens or the one guy I will be trying

1146
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: to pluck away. I think if I was into the team,

1147
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: will be Frank Smith with the Dolphins, just because you

1148
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: would get something completely different and original, and he doesn't

1149
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: cold plays in Miami. So it may be a lotchial move,

1150
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: but it would be probably a better launch pat to

1151
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: a head coaching gig. Particularly things go south next season

1152
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: if Tyreek Hill leaves all it just falls off a

1153
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: cliff with Mike McDaniel. So if I was the Sea Oaks,

1154
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: I think trying to pull Frank Smith over would be

1155
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: the move.

1156
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: I look, that's a name that hasn't been mentioned at all,

1157
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: and maybe it is because he has the OC title,

1158
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: but that it's a great point like titles do matter,

1159
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: which is one reason I haven't mentioned this Titans mess.

1160
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: It was a whole story last week that they had

1161
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: to get permission from the league to interview other gms

1162
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: because no one quite believed that it was a real

1163
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: GM job because they've made the President of Football Operations

1164
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: Chad Brinker have the final say, like he is in

1165
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: charge of football apparently all along he was winning Game

1166
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: of Thrones in Tennessee, that Chad Brinker was the guy

1167
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: who probably pushed Mike Rabel and Ron Karthon out or whatever.

1168
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: He's in charge now. But they do say the GM

1169
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: job is a real GM job, and they've interviewed like

1170
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: ten different people from around the league. Even though this

1171
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: guy Brinker is gonna have final say, But Titan's like

1172
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: sneaky up there in like the biggest messes of an

1173
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: organization that's out there.

1174
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a bit of a disaster. And I

1175
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: was not surprised kla I wasn't one and done, but

1176
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: I really thought that was in play, particularly if you

1177
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: get rid of the GM after that level of investment.

1178
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: They had a lot of offseason. I thought maybe they

1179
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: would just try and pull the rip cord early, but

1180
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: that that is a pretty gnally situation to walk into

1181
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: if you are not really making final stages off You

1182
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: are allowed to make final stations on the roster, but

1183
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to make a call on the head coach,

1184
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: and that's the big bosses job, and you walk into

1185
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 2: a situation where you may have to let the coach

1186
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: go in the second year. It's pretty rough spot to

1187
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: walk into.

1188
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they keep like just going through that cycle

1189
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: over and over, which is a cycle you want to

1190
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: get out of. Some defensive coordinator jobs that are open.

1191
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: The Cults are interviewing Dennis Allen, Steve Wolkes, and Lou

1192
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: and Arumo. Our very own Colleen Wolf broke the news

1193
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: that Lou and Arumo was interviewing with the Falcons. We

1194
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: hadn't even mentioned on this show that they fired their DC,

1195
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake.

1196
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1197
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris is a defensive guy. So I don't know

1198
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: if that was scapegoating or just not a good fit,

1199
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Speaker 1: but ultimately that's on Raheem Morris for that defense not

1200
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: working well though. That would be fun. They're also interviewing

1201
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: Wink Martindale, who spent last year at Michigan. That would

1202
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: be fun. And then the forty nine ers haven't fired

1203
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: Nick Sorenson, but he's not going to be their defensive coordinator.

1204
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: They've essentially allowed him to be demoted if he wants

1205
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: to be, and it sounds like you're barring him getting

1206
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: some other good job. I think he'll just stay there

1207
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: under who does get the job, And I'm assuming it's

1208
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: Robert Sala, unless Robert Sala gets a head coaching job.

1209
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: They're just kind of holding it open for him because

1210
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: he interviewed with Kyle Shanahan and I'm just like wondering,

1211
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: what was that interview?

1212
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: A couple of bis, a couple of burskis, you know,

1213
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: tolkan Full. It's peculiar to demote your current DC for

1214
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: a free agent d C who you know would take

1215
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: the gig because he's your friend. Couldn't you just wait

1216
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: on that rather than do with one first. That's a

1217
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: bit strange. Wing's also into you with the Colts, so

1218
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: he's clearly coming back, which is a strange one for

1219
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: Michigan to be involved with where he's just doing for

1220
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: multiple jobs and hasn't told them whether he's leaving or

1221
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: not yet. Maybe he's not returning calls and he's he's

1222
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: pretty clear that he wants back in Luanna Arumo. You know,

1223
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of Luanna Arumo. Those spots I

1224
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: don't think ideal spots to him. I think the Atlanta

1225
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: one is particularly weird because him and rahimars do not

1226
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: really run anything that's that compatible together, so that'd be

1227
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: a strange fit. Whether Marris just wants to be more

1228
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: of just the head coach and he felt he had

1229
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: to be more hands on with Jimmy Lake, who didn't

1230
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: quite have the same experience, I'm not sure. And he

1231
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: wants to maybe detach himself a little bit from the

1232
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: day to day of the defense. That may be able

1233
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: to work there. The personnel would work, but the personalities

1234
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: is at least a funny fit to think about. I

1235
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: would like that on Hard Knocks.

1236
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured lou would get a job, but there's

1237
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: not that many coordinator jobs open actually around the league.

1238
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: I guess there will be more when the new head

1239
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: coaches are hired, so Luke could also just wait to

1240
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: see if he's got a head coaching candidate that he

1241
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: would like to pair himself with. That's it. We did it.

1242
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: We went around pretty much every opening. I just was

1243
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: feeling like there was unfinished business. We just hadn't talked

1244
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: about this at all. Like I mentioned before, you check

1245
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: out Ali's substack the read optional. You have anything else

1246
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: Ali that you want to plug this week? You're wearing

1247
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: that red Sox hat here. You're becoming a Walker Buehler fan.

1248
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: There's nothing I'm plugging. I just really want this Dalon

1249
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: thing to happen. That's what I think I need in

1250
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: my life right now is Dion on the Cowboys for

1251
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: no other reason than entertainment. I will never watch ESPN again,

1252
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: That'll be unbearable, but I will certainly listen to NFL

1253
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: daily for all my deon Cowboys.

1254
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: Fix appreciate you. Yeah, people who complain about all the

1255
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: ESPN shows, I was like, I don't watch anything on

1256
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: ESPN anyways. I mean, who really spends their time with that.

1257
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: NFL Live is great and like Mina and Dan Erlowski

1258
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: and Ryan Clark, like they have smart conversations with that

1259
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: on Like check that out. But if you're watching the

1260
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: morning shows, that's on you. Yes, just put us in

1261
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: your ears every morning. We will be back on Thursday morning,

1262
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: so we're posting overnight, borrowing any breaking news. We will

1263
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: be previewing all the divisional round games. We have a

1264
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: lot of special guests, including Brian Waldinger. Each game has

1265
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: a different guest. I can't wait for that. And yes,

1266
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: when the Bears and the Jets are messing up their

1267
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 1: coaching search, you know football is back.