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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is

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Speaker 1: All Ball.

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Speaker 2: All Ball is a podcast available on the iHeart Podcast

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Speaker 2: of Networks. Of course, we do a lot of I think,

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Speaker 2: fun different things, mostly revolving around basketball. But the way

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Speaker 2: I look at sports is it's just a great launching

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Speaker 2: pad for so many lives and careers. And we have

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Speaker 2: coaches on, we have business people on, and we have

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Speaker 2: players on, and it's just interesting everybody's story and many

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Speaker 2: of them began on a basketball court, on playing pickup basketball.

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Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in southern California, in Orange County.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we were able to have Josh childson he Josh

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Speaker 2: is a younger generation also from Orange County. Klay Thompson,

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Speaker 2: Landry Fields. These are all Orange County born basketball players.

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Speaker 2: But and I grew up playing at Miles Square Park,

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Speaker 2: which is in Fountain Valley, thirty eighth Street, which is

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Speaker 2: in Newport Beach, el Camino Park which is in which

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Speaker 2: is in Orange And what I love about NBA com

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Speaker 2: where we're coming to you live from, is that they're

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Speaker 2: trying to kind of recreate all the different parts of basketball,

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Speaker 2: right Like you have the park area, you have the

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Speaker 2: drip area, Jay se, I'm not sure if you're aware

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Speaker 2: of the drip is your clothes, Like, how's your drip

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Speaker 2: your Oh, you're you're drippy today or you're not yet?

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Speaker 2: You're that's that's actually that's that's the lingo. You good,

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Speaker 2: but that yes, yeah, the drip is your clothes were good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the drip is your clothes. And we are, of course

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Speaker 2: at the network end of the stage where or last

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Speaker 2: night they introduced what had long been rumored, which is

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Speaker 2: the first ever NBA Cup. So the NBA Cup idea

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Speaker 2: it comes from this is what they do in European soccer.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably do it in cricket, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but they do it in European basketball. And so you

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Speaker 2: have your National Cup and your International Cup, and then

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Speaker 2: you have your international league or your national league.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But I think what's interesting about this one as opposed

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Speaker 2: to others, is the National Cup in like when I

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Speaker 2: played in Russia, you're playing against first and second degree

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Speaker 2: to the division teams in Russia, whereas here you're just

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Speaker 2: playing against your same like opponent in a different sort

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Speaker 2: of format. And I got to tell you when I

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Speaker 2: first heard it, I was like, Ah, you're trying to

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Speaker 2: get me to care about regular season games that.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, you are trying to get me

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Speaker 2: to care about regular season games I don't care about.

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Speaker 2: So it does kind of make sense, right, makes complete sense.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the National Cup. We'll get to a

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Speaker 2: bunch of different things, including the blasphemy that has been

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Speaker 2: laid down over his former point guards, back to back

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Speaker 2: MVP awards.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff to get to.

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Speaker 2: Sean mary And joins me, of course, former All Star

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Speaker 2: in the NBA played down the street at Thomas Maki

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Speaker 2: UNLB and I don't know if you remember, but we

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Speaker 2: played you guys in college. I'm an Oklahoma State and

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Speaker 2: we came in and played you guys. We actually played

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Speaker 2: back to back years after you went to the pros.

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Speaker 2: We played him again the next year and my my

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Speaker 2: most distinct memory was we had a pretty handy lead

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Speaker 2: there in the second half and Casper's Cambala came up

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Speaker 2: to me at the free tall line says, where are

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Speaker 2: you going after the game?

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Speaker 1: It's like four minutes to go. I was like, huh,

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Speaker 1: because he's like circle bug beat that.

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Speaker 2: So we went to the Circle Bar Hard Rock Cafe

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Speaker 2: the game. I had never seen that sort of hospitality ever.

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Speaker 1: Cass was a great guy man.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's you know he's a fighter now yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's doing all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know he played forever. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: now he's he's I think he's a boxer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't think he does the MMA thing. No, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think I was doing both, but yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't keep up with it.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting about your son's teams is that because you

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Speaker 2: guys didn't win the title, I don't think you'll get

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Speaker 2: the credit and you probably rightfully deserve. And stick with

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Speaker 2: me if you agree or disagree. Why you guys change

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Speaker 2: the sport and how it's played right?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent right?

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Speaker 2: And but why do you think, I mean, is it

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Speaker 2: just simply you don't want a title? And that's why

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Speaker 2: people don't go like, hey, teams change the game.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the.

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Speaker 3: Well we're in a generation right now, is like that's

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Speaker 3: why everybody keep putting current content out And it's not

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Speaker 3: that they ain't see it. They wouldn't have every experience,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't know. So everything is what everybody's experience announce

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Speaker 3: what they're exposed to. So this is why, because as

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Speaker 3: you know, every every every generation comes obsolete to the

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Speaker 3: next to a certain degree. But you know, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, if you really want to dissect

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Speaker 3: we were to frontier the change in what the league

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Speaker 2: So if I were to tell you, Sean marry and

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Speaker 2: when you're at UNLB and you're in All America, you

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Speaker 2: get ready for the draft, Hey, you're gonna be an

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Speaker 2: All Star.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be an All star essexially playing the four,

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Speaker 1: I was an All Star first of three though I

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Speaker 1: know you were. But but then at the four, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't agree with.

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Speaker 2: You because back then, everybody, well he's a three now,

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Speaker 2: but he's got to be a two in the league, right,

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Speaker 2: And it actually worked where you work kind of.

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Speaker 3: A different way. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Uh,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't very excited about trying to go to play

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Speaker 3: the four. That was the the power four was the

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Speaker 3: most dominant.

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Speaker 1: Petition in the league guitar.

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Speaker 3: Now it's more guards small forks, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: we got some talented big band but it's more guards.

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Speaker 1: A small forest that's that's.

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Speaker 3: Making a handprint in the game more than the big

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Speaker 3: wouldn't excited to about it. Paul Forest was really I

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Speaker 1: Seven foot is. I'm only six sons. But they also

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Speaker 1: had to guard you. Yeah they weren't doing that, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had to guard your point guard. Steve Nash went

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Speaker 1: back to back MVPs.

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Speaker 2: That came up earlier this year when Kendrick Perkins, a

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Speaker 2: you know he called out jokicch but it was really

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Speaker 2: going back to the and you lived it the Steve

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Speaker 1: What was your experience, like, why.

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Speaker 2: In in your mind was he in fact the best

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Speaker 2: Nash that Sun's team, What why was he the MVP

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Speaker 1: Back to back? Here you know. I mean I don't.

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Speaker 3: I can't answer that because I don't vote. No, but

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Speaker 3: like you lived it though, But but that's not saying so.

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Speaker 3: So like last time I checked, if you do what

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Speaker 1: Who was? Am? All right?

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Speaker 3: I was ship get myself created. I'm the only one

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Speaker 3: putting up numbers I was putting up don't get it?

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Speaker 3: So no, but I'm just arbituarity cracking d for right now.

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Speaker 3: But every m v P, that's one of the MVP

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Speaker 3: the last what twenty years? If they used to play

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Speaker 1: One on one, who gonna win? Yeah, but that that

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Speaker 1: Actually specifically, what was the criteria for that?

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Speaker 2: So now look see thinking you're thinking my argument and like, look,

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Speaker 2: this is the six foot white point guard in me.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna make the argument for Steve.

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Speaker 2: Nash is you had a career year help Rajah Bell

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Speaker 3: So you're going to you're going to so so so

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Speaker 1: Washing wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, I know, but I'm saying, I'm just

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Speaker 2: going through. Like you mentioned, you mentioned you Rich, you

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Speaker 1: They hell for year years, great years. Man, we had

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Speaker 3: You guys dominated the league. And he was he was

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Speaker 3: But we all we all compliment each other so well

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Speaker 3: This is what makes championship teams. Look at what what

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Speaker 1: So you got to understand.

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Speaker 3: So when when you're talking about somebody comparing contrast MVPs

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Speaker 3: somebody else making an argument. You said, Perkers making argument

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Speaker 3: somebody else should have won it that year or whatever.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people probably thought that or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Regardless not he won him because we had the best

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Speaker 3: a certain things. Joker has been he I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: he was running up the MVP behind Joeing b this year, right,

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Speaker 3: at the dynamics of what the team that Joker won

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Speaker 3: he's a special generational talent and what he's been able

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Speaker 1: To the begins, he's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And his size and I got into a conversation a

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Speaker 1: They're nowhere near the same kind of players. Dirk.

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Speaker 3: Dirk defined the jump shot in the NBA, and if

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Speaker 3: you know anything like that seven footer was Butter was wet,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And that's what is. But

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Speaker 3: Joker does a way more often. He got a way

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Speaker 1: But two different type of players, though, you know what

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Speaker 3: And we're in two different different generations in eras right now,

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Speaker 5: do they have three and really, if they keep Aiden

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Speaker 5: like Aiden, there's a lot of things he's not he

439
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Speaker 5: can really score. So you have all these guys that

440
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Speaker 5: can score one ball and there's only one basketball.

441
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Speaker 2: I've never seen a team play with more than one.

442
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Speaker 2: So what's the likely to success? So I listen, A

443
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Speaker 2: lot of success is gonna praay go. As you look

444
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Speaker 2: at the league itself. In the last few years, most

445
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Speaker 2: teams who ever been the healthiest have went the farthers,

446
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 2: so so and and and also style of play. You know, y'all,

447
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Speaker 2: if I really play attention to the where the game

448
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: is played. Now, a lot of teams play isol ball,

449
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Speaker 2: play one on one, and they play pick and roll.

450
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Speaker 1: That's it.

451
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Speaker 3: They don't they don't play, they don't post up guys,

452
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Speaker 3: they don't have a lot of movement, so it's all

453
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Speaker 3: it's all predicated on threes and pick and roll.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

455
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Speaker 3: So so when you look at the games, look at

456
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Speaker 3: look at the systems right now.

457
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Speaker 1: Look at Look at the teams just won championships.

458
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Speaker 3: Look at how they won them as currently as Denver.

459
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Speaker 3: Look at Denver Denver. Denver won championship because they played

460
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Speaker 3: team basketball. They shared the ball equally around everybody. Everybody

461
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Speaker 3: got opportunity to score. But they played great team defense.

462
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 3: But they they didn't have shot blocking. That's the one

463
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Speaker 3: thing people don't realize and talk about. They didn't have

464
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Speaker 3: no shot blockers on the team. And uh they won.

465
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Speaker 3: They beat They beat Lakers, and everybody else would having

466
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Speaker 3: shot but their perimeter defense and their team defense allowed

467
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Speaker 3: them to do that. So Phoenix, I think Frank Bogo

468
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Speaker 3: is a defensive coach. So Matt is I listen, I

469
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Speaker 3: gotta take my hel off to Matt. Awesome guy. I

470
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Speaker 3: met him, and uh I can't we can't wait to

471
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Speaker 3: come back off the Phoenix and Mediam I'm actually leaving

472
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Speaker 3: here going to Phoenix, but uh I can't wait to

473
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Speaker 3: chop up with him some more. He's a great owner man.

474
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Speaker 3: He's trying to change the culture in Phoenix, and he's

475
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Speaker 3: he's he's he got the right mindset and he's like

476
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Speaker 3: he's like, I'm gonna try to get me a championship

477
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Speaker 3: the best way he's possible to phoenix. So I got

478
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Speaker 3: to take my half to him all for us. But

479
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Speaker 3: you know you got Bradley Beal, Booker, Kadi Aiden, and

480
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Speaker 3: I don't even know who go. Who's gonna be the

481
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Speaker 3: start the other starter in their group? But those pieces

482
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Speaker 3: aren't gonna be tough to guard. But but it's not easy,

483
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 3: always easy to mesh all these different times of talent together.

484
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Speaker 2: I think I think Josha Kogie's probably the other guy,

485
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Speaker 2: so they guess he can go because he can really

486
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Speaker 2: guard and doesn't need the ball you need.

487
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Speaker 1: You gotta know you facilitates. You gotta have a facilitator.

488
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Speaker 1: The regular facilitat become maybe defends the rim because as.

489
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Speaker 3: You saw in the postseason, Kevin Durant and Booker got tired.

490
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: They got fatigue because they was having to play pick

491
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Speaker 3: and roll him leball and and guard and stuff. That's

492
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Speaker 3: where where's you down? You know, and playing one on

493
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Speaker 3: one is actually very tired. Like when you got guys,

494
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Speaker 3: some guys who are just just that kind.

495
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Speaker 1: Of player, but like they gotta played both fends the floor.

496
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Speaker 1: They get tired. You happen to staph this year. This

497
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Speaker 1: year its love and gave him serious stuff. Lebron. Everybody

498
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Speaker 1: getting older now to go.

499
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Speaker 3: You gotta realize that they ain't spring chickens no more, Lebron,

500
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Speaker 3: this stuff, They're not spring chickens anymore.

501
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Speaker 1: So like the longer series goals that is not in

502
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Speaker 1: their favorite We're very much like what have you done lately? Uh?

503
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Speaker 2: But most pros, former pros, guys around the league.

504
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Speaker 1: Love the way Luca plays. What about you? Luca is special.

505
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Speaker 3: Luca is the only guy I've ever seen the NBA

506
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Speaker 3: history that can get thirty to thirty something plus points

507
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: in half court, no fast make points. Listen, not just

508
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Speaker 3: saying that he gets all his points in half court.

509
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Speaker 3: He is special, but I mean he's a special kid man,

510
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Speaker 3: Like he has something to him that I haven't seen.

511
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Speaker 1: An European player in a long time.

512
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Speaker 3: You know him and Dirker until he took players, but

513
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: he has something at his age, he had it. He

514
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Speaker 3: had his first year. I saw, I was like, holy crap,

515
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Speaker 3: did he really just do that? And he did it

516
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Speaker 3: like he's supposed to be doing it, and that's very rare.

517
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Speaker 3: And he's very talented and very skilled. So the question

518
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Speaker 3: is how do you keep the pieces around him to

519
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Speaker 3: make sure he's doing and h and everybody fitting in

520
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Speaker 3: the way the right way with him. It ain't easy

521
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Speaker 3: because he's so dynamic. He's totally one of the motique

522
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Speaker 3: players in the league by far to do what he

523
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Speaker 3: was doing before.

524
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Speaker 1: So it's not an easy task. But you know, Jake

525
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Speaker 1: Kid Doe a great.

526
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Speaker 3: Job over there at Man Dallas and down Aaron Nicole

527
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Speaker 3: and all the guys been cute.

528
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Speaker 1: Man.

529
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Speaker 3: Uh you know, listen, they got Kyrie. Now Carrie's back

530
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Speaker 3: on the roster. You know we got something. You know

531
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Speaker 3: we got we got we just pick up somebody else,

532
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Speaker 3: uh in the trade from Boston.

533
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Speaker 1: What's Williams Williams signing trade?

534
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Speaker 3: So uh, you know, I think, uh they actually did

535
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Speaker 3: a not too bad of a free agent this summer.

536
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Speaker 1: I think I think it fans out.

537
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Speaker 3: So now it's about putting the pieces together and uh

538
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Speaker 3: seeing what can happen.

539
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Speaker 2: For somebody who hasn't experienced it. What's the feeling like

540
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Speaker 2: of winning an NBA championship?

541
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Speaker 1: You know what, man, I'm gonna tell you.

542
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Speaker 3: Like this, d Wade, he said this to me when

543
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Speaker 3: we was when we wanted he said, Uh, he said enjoyed.

544
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Speaker 3: He's like, you, you really don't know what you did

545
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Speaker 3: until after you after all the all the.

546
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Speaker 2: Dreamers are coming, and that's when you're you're hugging and

547
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Speaker 2: you remember what he said that moment. I was like

548
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Speaker 2: later at a party, right on the court, on the

549
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Speaker 2: court after he said, and Joey ed Cheri said, you

550
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Speaker 2: don't you don't know exactly what you what you've done

551
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: until a month later when you actually tap time to

552
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Speaker 2: reflect on what you've just done.

553
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Speaker 3: And he was one hundred percent right. You know you

554
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Speaker 3: you you in that moment, you're you're ecstatic, you're excited

555
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: because everybody's taking pictures or popping champagne and all the

556
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: other stuff. But you don't have time to reflect on

557
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: what you did and how you did it until until

558
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Speaker 3: the all the all the all the noise shut clothes,

559
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Speaker 3: calms down. And he was one hundred percent right, because

560
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Speaker 3: after I start digesting how we won that championship, and uh,

561
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Speaker 3: it got me even more wrapped up and more excited

562
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: about how we just took took it and and we

563
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 3: wasn't favored in no series to win, even Portland was

564
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 3: not favorite. The Lakers were not favored. Okay, see who

565
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: was not favorite? Mommy was not favorite, and then we

566
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Speaker 3: get here improved all y'all wrong. Like told y'all, y'all

567
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: don't know shit about basketball basically, and I love doing that.

568
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Speaker 1: I love proving.

569
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Speaker 3: People around and telling them and shutting people up and

570
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Speaker 3: letting letting them know that you don't know.

571
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Speaker 1: You just don't know. You can have an opinion, but

572
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Speaker 1: you're not right.

573
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Speaker 2: You know, you just you're not sean Uh, last thing

574
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Speaker 2: web and Yama of first you see me your thoughts.

575
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Speaker 1: I got you.

576
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Speaker 3: He's special, I think, uh, I mean just just don't know.

577
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Speaker 3: I think he can be uh. I think he can

578
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Speaker 3: be really good. I think he I mean he's shown

579
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Speaker 3: the signs of things that for somebody his size that

580
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: we've never seen because he's the tallest guy to be

581
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Speaker 3: him on the ball in NBA history.

582
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Speaker 1: I think any you know about his size, every boy

583
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: to blow the court.

584
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Speaker 2: No, I mean Ralph Sampson was was not nearly that.

585
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Speaker 2: He's basically at points center. Yeah, but he wouldn't bring me.

586
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like money gamp it's like a point center.

587
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Speaker 2: Like he was way more comfortable handling than he was

588
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Speaker 2: down down low.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know he's still young.

590
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Speaker 3: He's light, so as he matures, his body matures and

591
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Speaker 3: stuff and eric some people sell him he needs to

592
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Speaker 3: gain weight.

593
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Speaker 1: No, we don't. He does not need to gain weight

594
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Speaker 1: because that's not.

595
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Speaker 3: His natural size, his natural wherever he naturally comes into

596
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Speaker 3: naturally because he as he gets older, he's actually gonna

597
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Speaker 3: get man strength.

598
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Speaker 1: So like it's go come. But everybody says, well, you

599
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: know lebron was.

600
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Speaker 2: Everybody's body matures differently, and we know that those the

601
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Speaker 2: man must has coming at a different moment. Some dude's

602
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Speaker 2: not to their twenty twenty one proble man.

603
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Speaker 1: My broad guy as most as a team, so we

604
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Speaker 1: can take.

605
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Speaker 3: So No, but I think he has the upside to

606
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Speaker 3: be really really good and he's his skill hits the

607
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Speaker 3: seal skit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he'step he should have stepp back three es.

609
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Speaker 3: Dude, come on, man like seven foot like we we've

610
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Speaker 3: seen the last seven foot to actually have a similar

611
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Speaker 3: skill set, but not as tall as him as.

612
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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, you know what I'm saying.

613
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: But uh we but I'm not gonna take nothing way

614
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: from Shaky and Sho actually could handle the ball. We've

615
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Speaker 3: seen big man had the ball, joker shack, you know,

616
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Speaker 3: some of the guys throughout NBIA. But for him to

617
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Speaker 3: be as big as he is and bringing the ball

618
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: up and as comfortable he's is, it says a lot.

619
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Speaker 3: And uh it's a testament to the to the evolution

620
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Speaker 3: of the game.

621
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Speaker 1: Hardest guy you ever had, a Kevin you know what? Uh?

622
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Speaker 3: Jamal Madstrom was one of my artiste when I was

623
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Speaker 3: younger because because he actually had a he had a

624
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 3: bigger body, bigger body, what about it? He had him

625
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 3: the ball a lot too, and he knew how to

626
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: use it and maneuver very well at the time. And

627
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: uh but I mean listen, I got to guard seven

628
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: footers too, so like but he was tough. I mean

629
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: even something have me having to guard some of the

630
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: point guards now even know that was tough.

631
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Speaker 1: And uh but you know I love the challenge, though.

632
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: Man, who's about who is the guy who every time

633
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: he guarded you could not handle you?

634
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: I can say that about a lot of people.

635
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: All right, give me, but give me, give me, give me,

636
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: give me the give me the one who you're like

637
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: las senap this years and you're looking at the boy

638
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: you're look at the matchups, You're like, this is gonna

639
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: be a good night.

640
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: You know what.

641
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: You know, I never looked at it like that though,

642
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: you know, because I don't so so I don't.

643
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: I didn't believe in taking nights off.

644
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: No, that was that was so the only time you

645
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: you you actually focused in or looked at the list

646
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: of if it's a rival, so you walk off the rivals,

647
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: or you walk off somebody that that talks smack of something,

648
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: something that you that gave you a chip or something

649
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: to give you the extra pop up. But I never

650
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: really look at somebody who was like, yo, I'm I'm

651
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat.

652
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat. Good to night. No man's up.

653
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: Every approach and every game the same, and it was like, yo, somebody, somebody, somebody.

654
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: I ate a feast on. Some of them. I ate

655
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Speaker 1: really good some of them.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying, maybe I don't know, but for

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Speaker 3: the most part, though, almost gonna eat.

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Speaker 1: You know, say, this helped me. I'm hungry.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna eat NBA champion from an NBA All Star,

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Speaker 2: you know, v legend, Sean, Mary and Sean thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you appreciation. It's amazing. You know.

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Speaker 2: He talks about how he didn't I didn't believe in

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Speaker 2: taking nights off, right, And if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: that's the whole idea behind the NBA Cup is less

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Speaker 2: nights that guys can take off. The point is that

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Speaker 2: it's a really interesting form of leadership from Adam Silver

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Speaker 2: and one that you kind of like. Right, where As

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Speaker 2: fans of the NBA, it's not that you don't love

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Speaker 2: the league, it's that you want to be able to

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00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: either pay a ticket, go down see your team and

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00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: know who's gonna play, or if you gonna set aside

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Speaker 2: time and watch it again. I want to know who's playing,

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Speaker 2: so instead of attacking it head on and being confrontational

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Speaker 2: like that doesn't work. I actually think there's a genius

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Speaker 2: to the In Season Cup because it forces you on

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Speaker 2: a multitude of levels to be competitive, being competitive in

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Speaker 2: those pool play games and then the bracket play games,

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Speaker 2: so that you're not going to get the whole league

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Speaker 2: to play at its peak the entire season, nor you're

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Speaker 2: going to get the guys to play every night. It's

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Speaker 2: just not a possibility with so many teams wrapping themselves

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Speaker 2: around this idea of load management. But at least for

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Speaker 2: that period of time, the thinking is a higher percentage

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Speaker 2: of guys at least of those final eight will in

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Speaker 2: fact play. It's one of those like we've always we

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Speaker 2: were brought up our generation. If you're thirty five, forty

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Speaker 2: or over right, you have Sean Marie's opinion, which is, like,

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Speaker 2: you're a basketball player, you play basketball, You guarantee to

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Speaker 2: play basketball. The only time you don't play basketball when

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Speaker 2: you're injured, right, not when you're sore. And additionally, like

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Speaker 2: kind of an authoritative, authoritarian sort of leadership from the commissioner,

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Speaker 2: from head coaches. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: And like we could go back into the psychology of

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Speaker 2: it and why it doesn't work, and how people are

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Speaker 2: brought up and how they're coached at the young level,

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Speaker 2: and whether it's that's basketball culture and guys are guys

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Speaker 2: get free shoes and free gear and travel.

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Speaker 1: We can get it.

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Speaker 2: We can go into all that, okay, but when you're

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Speaker 2: the commission of the NBA, you can't go into the psychology.

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Speaker 1: You just got to go into it here. What's the problem.

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Speaker 2: What's the best or most likely solve for the problem,

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Speaker 2: and how do we get it without against like Sean

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Speaker 2: got they got a little defensive there with this jump shot,

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Speaker 2: without getting that that that pushback. You know, the genius

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Speaker 2: to great leadership is making people do things they don't

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Speaker 2: want to do without knowing that they're doing something they

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Speaker 2: don't want to do. And I actually think that's what

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Speaker 2: they're going to accomplish with the NBA Cup is getting

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Speaker 2: got more guys to play more readily, more competitively in

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Speaker 2: December than they ever had previously. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: you got the Christmas Day games and people generally play

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Speaker 2: and play hard, and you have the reward for money

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Speaker 2: and oh yeah, by the way, a trip to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Like all that stuff makes complete and total sense to me.

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Speaker 2: My thanks to Sean Marian for joining me. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you can download way more of the catalog of All

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Speaker 2: can also listen not just to this one, but Josh

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Speaker 2: Childress from yesterday. And I will tell you that there's

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Speaker 2: a long laundry list a really good ones, including Darren

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Speaker 2: Collison one that we dropped part one last week. We'll

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Speaker 2: have two, three, and four upcoming in the coming weeks

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