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Speaker 1: From House to works dot Com. Hey there, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Christen, I'm Molly. Molly. Something I

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Speaker 1: did not realize was that viagra has been around for

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Speaker 1: almost a decade. Now, Wow, can you believe that that?

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Speaker 1: That is kind of hard to believe. Yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: remember when it first came out it was so scandalous,

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Speaker 1: by the commercials. Is that as telling you beforehand? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just don't like viagra commercials. Why don't you like them? Molly? Well,

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Speaker 1: for a while, they had like a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: sitting around a studio singing about viagra, the Beava Viagra song,

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe that guys would sit around and play guitar

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Speaker 1: and sing about that. But they were so happy they

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Speaker 1: no longer had to deal with They're a rectile dysfunction,

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Speaker 1: all right, And well the new one, the new one

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Speaker 1: really gets my goat. I was telling you this earlier.

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Speaker 1: There's the new one where the guys walking down the

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Speaker 1: street and then there like a vision of him pops

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Speaker 1: up in the window and he's like, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: ask your doctor? And the guy walking down the side

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Speaker 1: of it goes about what and the mirror image goes

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Speaker 1: about our reptile dysfunction? And at that point I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you ask your doctor about the fact that

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I can't buy the fact that

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Speaker 1: to store windows. Well, Molly, if you have a problem

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Speaker 1: with male viagra commercials, is that redundant? The same mail viagra? Um?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Christen? That's our topic for today. That is

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Speaker 1: the topic for today. The question is what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen when the female viagra comes on the market About

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Speaker 1: be very very similar to tampon commercials. Oh, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be awful. They're gonna be like all these perfectly you know,

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Speaker 1: afternoon tea, yes, definitely afternoon tea or cocktail, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: eating yogurts. It's gonna be like it's gonna be every

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Speaker 1: single lady commercial rolled up into one. Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: might not help be wondering why Molly and I are

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Speaker 1: And it's because last winter, around November, a pharmaceutical firm

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Speaker 1: a medication called flaban serinabanserin. They first tried to develop

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Speaker 1: this as an indepressant. Didn't work too well, but in

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Speaker 1: their animals studies, they said they found out that, uh

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Speaker 1: and that's also how by came around. They were testing

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Speaker 1: for one thing and then they're like, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: can solve a psychiatric problem known as hypoactive sexual desire

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