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Speaker 1: From house Stop works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and today we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about trailblazing lesbians. You should know exactly.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of them who made a mark

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Speaker 1: other important women that you should know. Yeah, from a

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Speaker 1: But before we get into our list, um uh, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention an article published in June this year,

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Speaker 1: two eleven in the Village Voice. UM that was written.

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Speaker 1: I think it was partially inspired by the fact that

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Speaker 1: um Out magazine, which publishes an annual Power fifty list

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Speaker 1: But they also mentioned Jodie Foster, Massachusetts Supreme Court Justice

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Speaker 1: producer of the L word? Yeah? Yeah, um, and it's

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Speaker 1: this kind of cultural idea of power lesbians. Also sex

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Speaker 1: And this is in contrast um. In this Village Voice article,

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