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Speaker 2: Reveally look at this now, timpt it sup.

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Speaker 1: Jesus?

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Speaker 3: Oh do you want to.

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Speaker 1: Using?

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Speaker 4: Will be?

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Speaker 5: Fuck?

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Speaker 2: It's time to beat. Oh yeah, you know what that means, right,

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Speaker 2: that sound, that feeling, that lifestyle. It's Morning Combat. It's

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Speaker 2: back into your damn face whole and you better believe

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Speaker 2: it's Friday. So you ain't got ship to do but

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Speaker 2: damn combat sports show they ever thought about putting together.

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Speaker 2: And again it's the one that just won't die on

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Speaker 2: that BBC with that alpha like quality. They call me

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. The guy next to me though to normally

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Speaker 2: representing DC right now though is the is a hero

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Speaker 2: of the Midwest. Let's welcome in on location, Luke Franklin Thomas, that's.

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Speaker 1: Me, buddy, that's me body. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? But Luke, you have like huge news today.

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Speaker 2: We're all fired up for you in Team Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's huge, it's cool. I'm in Iowa, BC.

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Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Iowa, which is yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: but no, I'm all in all, seriously, I'm here in

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Speaker 2: Hot chicks.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I've been hired to be a commentator for xFC

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Speaker 1: if you're asking where can I watch this, it'll be

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Speaker 1: on be in Sport, which if you're a La Liga

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so folks have been like, oh, why didn't

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Speaker 2: We get some of that. Dude. Look, when someone in

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Speaker 2: up to see you doing what you were born to do. Uh, dude,

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Speaker 2: Check it out. Shout out to your your cohort on

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Speaker 1: so did. Everyone's been real nice to me, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, Hey, hey, break a leg, Luke, you got this,

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Speaker 2: You got this, and we have, by the way, a

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Speaker 2: So you know, here we go, so fantastic show coming

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Speaker 6: What up, gang?

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Speaker 7: I don't know why my dad's scrolled him for lack

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to set the stage for what's coming

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Speaker 2: UFC Mexico City is upon us this Saturday. It is

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Speaker 1: I definitely think it was too soon. I think the

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Speaker 1: Like that's an explanation too. That's why this fight against

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Speaker 1: But now now he's been in five round UFC Man

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Speaker 2: Well, Luke, I amg I and Mischad o'gary seem to

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Speaker 2: here our DraftKings odds at the moment for this UFC

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Speaker 2: Mexico City main event is Brandon Marino minus two fifty eight,

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Speaker 2: mentioned we've got some sound from er Seg, who was

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Speaker 4: I'm I was surprised they gave me another main event spot,

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Speaker 5: Have you thought about how bizarre your UFC run has

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Speaker 2: Have you gotten a chance to.

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Speaker 2: Real quick breaking news from Long Island. Luke Ronaldo, lazy Boy,

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Speaker 2: the undercard as we keep going. You heard from erseg

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Speaker 2: No doubt, and we will hear from Marino on a second.

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Speaker 8: you know, I can't put more a weight on my shoulders.

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00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 8: So hey, man, I just stopped the thing in the past.

433
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 8: I don't know nothing about my past. I grave all

434
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 8: they of the lessons from that, but after that, right now,

435
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 8: I'm very focus on my president. I'm focus on Steve Ersik,

436
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 8: and I'm ready for the challenge.

437
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: Fair points. There By the way, Luke back for all

438
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 2: the toxicity in this sport back to back times her way,

439
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 2: Yan Blohovich sound last time. Now we got Brandon Moreno,

440
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: two of the true good people, it seems in the sports.

441
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 2: A shout out to those guys. Stylistically, Luke we mentioned

442
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 2: the betting favorite edge to Moreno. He's got the higher

443
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: level experience. Of course, although Ersk did fight, Pantosian did

444
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,479
Speaker 2: fight well until that late mistake. How do these two

445
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: match you up? In your mind?

446
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. So definitely you would imagine

447
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: if can work behind the job, he's going to have

448
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: a fair amount of success. So you really have to question, like,

449
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: what role is Erseg's jab going to play because a

450
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: lot of his offense flows through that. Someone like Moreno

451
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: has a couple of answers to that. He has great

452
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: lateral movement. He's probably going to fight more at kickboxing range.

453
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't fight a boxing range, of course, but he

454
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: might try to keep it a little bit further away

455
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: to stifle both the distance closing and to give himself

456
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 1: additional weapons. I mean, think about it, right, they both

457
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: fought Kay car France. Kai car France was lighting Moreno

458
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: up a little bit until what he tried to exit,

459
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: and then he got hit with the body kick on

460
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: the exit and it folded him. You know, so you

461
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: really have to be like, Okay, Moreno's got difference to me, BC,

462
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: And maybe you disagree. I think Moreno has overall more weapons.

463
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: I think the sharpness of Erseg's boxing is definitely better

464
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: than the boxing of Moreno. I don't have any question

465
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: about that. But I think Moreno's going to try and

466
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit. Maybe he goes for takedowns,

467
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But like it's hard to

468
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: say exactly. There might be some clinch fighting just kind

469
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: of you know, just just trying to find different ways

470
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: in which to make Erseg respond to what he's doing.

471
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: But I really believe that this one is going to

472
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: be at kickboxing range and or some kind of if

473
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 1: he can get a dominance, you know, position through a scramble.

474
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be looking for that. But I guess the

475
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make is I think he can.

476
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: Moreno can probably for the most part, at least for

477
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: at least short, short bursts. I think he can hold

478
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: his own in the boxing. If he does that too long,

479
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it's gonna be trouble for him. But

480
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: between that and then the lateral movement of the kicking range,

481
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go for the leg kicks a lot.

482
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Body kicks I think are gonna be another part of it.

483
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: You know, to what extent is Ersek bite on that

484
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: to then go for the takedown, right, because it's an

485
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: easy way to go for a takedown if you can

486
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: grab the leg versus having to shoot. It's kind of

487
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: like one of those natural things. So to me, I

488
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: favor Moreno. I think Moreno's got a different distances he

489
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: can win at Moreno. By the way, let's be clear

490
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: about this. Moreno's beating better guys, just flat out He's

491
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: beaten better guys, and I don't. I don't think he's

492
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: washed yet, I really don't. But we're gonna see here

493
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: at Ersek again. If Ersek is flowing behind that job.

494
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a real problem for for Moreno. But

495
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: I think Moreno should take this well.

496
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: I mean, just on the surface. Moreno's got two wins

497
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: over Brandon roy Yeah, one win over Brandon roy vall,

498
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: two wins over car France. He'd be guys like for Mega,

499
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: he'd be al Bazi. He's been the multi time champion.

500
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: The main problem for him, Luke, although he has victories

501
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 2: on Mexican soil, on the regional level, he's curiously two

502
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: to one fighting for the UFC in Mexico all three

503
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: times it came in Mexico City. We're looking at a

504
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen decision loss to Sergio Pettis, a twenty nineteen

505
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: draw split draw ou to my guy ascar Askarov, and then,

506
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: of course, fast forward all the way to two fights

507
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: ago he loses that split decision over five rounds in

508
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: the main event against Brandon royval so an opportunity, of

509
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: course for Moreno to exercise that demon. He comes in

510
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: ranked number two, Steve erseg ranked number eight. Now, Luke,

511
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: I asked Moreno when I interviewed him this week, are

512
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: we looking at a title shot? With a win, and

513
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: I think rightfully so he was hesitant to lean in

514
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: that direction. Not only is it, you know, is their

515
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: plan set up for the champion at the top. Let's

516
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 2: not forget he's now lost three times to the champion Pantosia,

517
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: one in the Ultimate Fighter, two in the regular UFC,

518
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: and he did echo my concerns of whether the UFC

519
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: would be willing to give him yet another chance. But

520
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: he's in this fight in the space because he's a Mexican,

521
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: nationally super popular. They know he's gonna move tickets. What

522
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: do you think is really at stake for each fighter

523
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: in terms of a victory.

524
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: Ersega is sitting at eight, so it's not like if

525
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: he loses to the number two guy, he all of

526
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: a sudden is in a terrible place in the division.

527
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: But it's the bigger kind of concern. They thrust him

528
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: to the front of the line. He accepted, and again

529
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: we understand that these are difficult calculations to make dwake

530
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: except the UFC title shot. Who turns those down? You

531
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: don't even know if you're ever gonna get one again.

532
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: But it did kind of rush him into a place

533
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: where it's not really clear if he's ready for it,

534
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: can he settle into some kind of elite space because

535
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: he can get another title shot, He can be a

536
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: guy like Mareno, I'm not saying necessarily from just this win,

537
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: but he can definitely put himself in position to get

538
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: another one. He already had one, and you know, I

539
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: don't know if they could sell a rematch, but they

540
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: might try for Breno. It's about, you know, maintaining relevancy

541
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: at the top of this division. It's like, Okay, this

542
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: was the once proud champion multiple times. As you indicated,

543
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: Okay got a nice one over al Bosi. There are

544
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: some questions about it, but you know, he definitely got

545
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: the job done against a tough guy. Where do we

546
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: go from here? Somebody has to kind of stick a

547
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: claim about the future. Who is the future of this

548
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: Not the next five years per se, but who's the

549
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: future for the next year or two potentially of this division.

550
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a much better answer depending on what

551
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of fight you get and depending on who wins.

552
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: But I think also, like with the loss er, Sag

553
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: might get bounced. You know, I don't know if we

554
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: get bounced out of the top ten, but it would

555
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: just be a really kind of solidifying loss that it

556
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: was too much, too soon for him. And you know,

557
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: this is why you have to build guys up over

558
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: time the right way. Maybe he'll rescue himself, but he's

559
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: up against it for these reasons. And then for Moreno,

560
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: it's about recapturing what was once lost. So they're in

561
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: different positions. But again, the matchmaking is cool, not because

562
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: it's a rivalry, but because of how they match up

563
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: and pretty big and important stakes for some real big

564
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: questions surrounding two talented guys.

565
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's say Moreno wins. Here's the interesting debate

566
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: about who really would be aligned for that next title shot.

567
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: And obviously we do have to take into account what

568
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: we both said, the fact that Moreno has lost three

569
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: times essentially to Pantosia. Number One is Brandon roy Vall,

570
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: he got hurt, didn't get the cop fight. He's sitting

571
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: out at the moment. Three is Albozi coming off that defeat.

572
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: Four is Kai Kar France, and he's hot at the

573
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: moment and very well could get the next title shot

574
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: when he considered. He knocked out Steve Verseeg in round

575
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: one last August, the con against France. Right, the plus

576
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: is that he hasn't fought for the full title yet.

577
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: The con is that he had two consecutive losses before that.

578
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: One was a split decision to Albozi, who Moreno just

579
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: beat the the other was a stoppage loss against Moreno

580
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: for that interim title. Obviously, the real red hot guy

581
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: at the moment is Miguel Copp, who is currently ranked

582
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: number six. In your eyes, let's positive scenario where Moreno wins.

583
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: What is the order right there of those three fighters, Moreno, KKF,

584
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: and Cop in terms of what you think UFC preference

585
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: would be in giving them a shot at Pantosio.

586
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: Cop would probably be a fresh matchup and a really

587
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: interesting one. I think that's number one. Kkf would be

588
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: number two because that's also a that's a fresh one.

589
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Right then they've not fallt before. I'm trying to wreck

590
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: my brain. I don't believe that they have fought. He

591
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: would be a fresh title contender. Now. I think Moreno

592
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: would be three. Now, I think you could move that

593
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: around depending on what happens. If Moreno gets like a

594
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: absolute like thudding one punch shot, I mean that's unlikely,

595
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: but you know something really electric. You know, you can

596
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: move stuff around. But to me, Cop has been the

597
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: deserving guy. He's new, I mean new as a title

598
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: contender KKF, not new, but still quite deserving or at

599
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: least you know, could also prove useful for promotional purposes

600
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: if they want to go back to Australia or whatever.

601
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: And then on the back end, Moreno's kind of there

602
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: if you need it. But because he's already been there before,

603
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: he'll have to do something I think a little bit

604
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: special to jump the queue.

605
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: Okay, would you agree with what I thought was going

606
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: to happen before they booked royvall Cop. Let's say Moreno

607
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: does win, he's going into a trilogy with royval Ainy.

608
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a possibility. Would they really do a trilogy?

609
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Is there a big market for that?

610
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: I mean they'd be two top contenders who probably don't

611
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: have a stake to face Pantosia because they both lost

612
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: to him multiple times. So you eliminate one of them

613
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: by going through each other a third time.

614
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a possibility. Yeah, I can't. I can't.

615
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't rule that out. Flagway, This is what I mean, dude,

616
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Flagwight is so weird where you know, like the rules

617
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: where okay, but you know, we normally know it takes

618
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: this long to get to this position for this kind

619
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: of a title shot and flywaight, it's like, yeah, good night,

620
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like good enough, got the

621
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: job done. You know it's it's it's very weird. So

622
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: that creates weird matchmaking downstream, not just from who gets

623
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: the title fight, but obviously how that affects the rest

624
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: of the division. So you might be right that they

625
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: would do a trilogy. I guess it's we have to.

626
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: We have to see what if it's one of these

627
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: wins where it's like, hey, Moreno one three, you know, Pantojia,

628
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: excuse me, I'm er Seg one two. What does it

629
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: all mean? I don't know. We're kind of waiting for

630
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: a mandate from one of these guys. We haven't had

631
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: that yet.

632
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm leaning Moreno as well.

633
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: The elevation, the Mexico City factor. I do think he's

634
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: the better fighter of the two. He's coming off a win. Obviously,

635
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Erseeg's gonna have to answer for those defeats, the first

636
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: round knockout loss that he suffered a KKF. I do

637
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: want to bring in our betting expert Long Island, Luke Nosita,

638
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: who will be probably hot and heavy and high on

639
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: the main card minute betting Pod this weekend. Nosita, where

640
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: are you leaning on this main event and where do

641
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: you find the best value from a betting standpoint.

642
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with you guys, and I'm also going Moreno.

643
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Speaker 7: I say unfortunately because I always back the Aussies and

644
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 7: I want to go Steve verseg here. But I just

645
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 7: I do think Moreno has more ways to get it done. Also,

646
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 7: I definitely think this fight goes the distance. That's where

647
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 7: I think the value is. Take either guy by decision.

648
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 7: I believe Moreno by decisions like plus one twenty or

649
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 7: sex like plus two fifty.

650
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 6: So either of those I think are good beats.

651
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Speaker 2: You noticed in one breath, no Seat is like, I

652
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: don't know why, it's always going back to my dad.

653
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Scroll to him and then he's like, you know, I

654
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: back every Aussie. It's like, you know, dude, it's obvious.

655
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Dude. I mean, come on, you know we still don't

656
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: have to talk about his dad's balls though.

657
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you think we'll ever get him on

658
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: the show or am I trying too hard?

659
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: Someone should just make like a paper mache set of

660
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: balls and then like like put a mouth on it

661
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: and then like high, I'm looks Dad's balls, you know

662
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: what I mean? We could just have an interview with that.

663
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm good on that.

664
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 6: But you know that's gonna be a fan s up

665
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 6: next week now.

666
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably well with some nine to eleven connection and

667
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: we can't play it, thank you.

668
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Som balls will be driving a right into the towery.

669
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Do we care about this co main event at all?

670
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: Is Manuel Torres and fellow lightweight Drew Doper cross swords Luke.

671
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: Obviously there's bigger names to talk about down the card,

672
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: But are you moved at all by this matchup?

673
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I am a little bit. Manuel Torres actually fell a

674
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: little bit short obviously against Ignacio bay Mundees at the

675
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Sphere card, but he is all action. Drew Dober all action,

676
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: but you know, kind of faced a little bit of

677
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: a rough stretch more recently of late. And you know

678
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: it's a one fifty five bout, like you know, is

679
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: there a title fight on the line?

680
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 9: No?

681
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Is there top five ranking? Not necessarily, but is it

682
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: a fun action. You know it is BC. I'm gonna

683
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: use the BC expression. It's an awesome TV fight.

684
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: Oh, cot technical thriller.

685
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I know it's a technical thriller. It's a technical thriller.

686
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: I really do believe it'll be a really, really fun

687
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: TV fight, and manial tour is still an interesting question

688
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: about how far he'll go. But you know, we're not

689
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: even close enough to really to get there. It's a

690
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: fun TV fight. I like it. I'm not backing on it.

691
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: The thirty six year old's looking to snap a run

692
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: in which he's lost three of his last four. He

693
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: can win or lose any fight. He goes, big, handsome fella,

694
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: just the same, Luke. Let's look at the odds at

695
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: the moment. According to DraftKings A minus one twenty is

696
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: Drew dober as your favorite. Manuell Torres plus one hundred, Luke,

697
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: So you can get plus money on the younger, less

698
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: established name who's on the rise there against the veteran Dover.

699
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like those odds too. Those are interesting odds.

700
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Torres to me, obviously he didn't do great against bay Mundez,

701
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: but should have more ways to win. But dober has

702
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: proven to be historically more sturdy sturdy error, but of

703
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: late has been less so. So it's a real interesting

704
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: Are we at the tipping point of Drew Dober being

705
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: able to beat like, you know, relevant guys at this level.

706
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see.

707
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: I hope they go tip to tip. What do you got, Nocita?

708
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: You got something?

709
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say that the odds on this

710
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 7: flip flopped because earlier I got Manuel Torres that like

711
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 7: minus one twenty and now he's the underdog. So a

712
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 7: lot of money's come in on Drew Dober throughout the week.

713
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: Maybe Jeff Molina and Dereck Minner got involved, you know. Possibly.

714
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: All Right, here we go, Luke, Let's talk about the

715
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: fight that you know is heavy on my heart. One

716
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: of my favorite fighters who just can't seem to put

717
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: it all together, as Kelvin Gastellum. He's back at middleweight.

718
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: I mean, who could forget what he co authored at

719
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: UFC two thirty six, some six years worthy?

720
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: Huh?

721
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Against is he Hall of Fame worthy? He will be welcoming,

722
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: of course, be like twenty eight year old Joe Pifer,

723
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: who bounced back from that decision loss to Jack Hermanson

724
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: in February of last year knocked out Mark andre Bury.

725
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: Oh and of course mister Pifer is going to come

726
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: in here as a somewhat sizeable betting favorite minus two

727
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: ninety eight to the plus two forty Gastelum Luke, what's

728
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: really at stake?

729
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: Here?

730
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: Feels like crossroads battle. One guy coming on, one guy

731
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: going what do you like about this matchup?

732
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Pifer is trying to get a win over a name

733
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: this is is obviously his stablemate Sean Brady already beat him,

734
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: submitted him. But Sean Brady's got a very different game

735
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: than Joe Pifer in a different weight class, so it's

736
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: a different fight. But to me, it's clear that, like

737
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Pifer was on his way, got a

738
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a setback, but he's still young. There's

739
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: still a lot of room for growth and opportunity. And

740
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: Kelvin Gastlim appears to me, like you know, I don't

741
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: know if I would describe it as last legs of

742
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: his career. I don't think that's necessarily exactly right. But

743
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't win this, it's hard to

744
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: know how many more fights of any kind of relevance,

745
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: you would be in right because by his own admission,

746
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: I think we have audio of this, by his own admission,

747
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: he's never going back to Walter Waite. So it's it's

748
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: one five or bust. Yeah, he's still pretty young. What

749
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: is Kelvin GASLM thirty three three? Yeah, so he's still

750
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: pretty young, which is pretty good, but it's it's the

751
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: middleweight thing. I yes, I completely agree that what he

752
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: turned in against Is in Atlanta is an all timer performance.

753
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: He didn't win that one, and it's like, what can

754
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: he actually win at at middleweight? Like what is actually

755
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: achievable here? And I think all of us probably have

756
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: some questions. We know when he's on, he's good. We

757
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: know when he wants to, you know, leverage some of

758
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: that Chris boxing, he can do it. When he wants

759
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: to show good wrestling, he can do it. But we're

760
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: at elevation. It's one eighty five. Yeah, I don't know,

761
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what.

762
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty three, but you know he's got mileage on him.

763
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: He's never been stopped by strikes, which you know speaks

764
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: to his chin. But he also gets beat up in

765
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: a lot of fights, even once he's went, he's won,

766
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: and he's lost six of his last eight. If you

767
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: go all the way back to that Adasania interim title fight,

768
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: maybe if there's a plus in this. He has won

769
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: two of his last three. There was the loss at

770
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: welterweight by submission to Sean Brady, but he wanted a

771
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: decision over Chris Curtis, and most recently, in his return

772
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: to one eighty five last June, he won a three

773
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: round decision against Daniel d rod Roaldriguez. Let's hear from

774
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: Kelvin Gastolum about what is now going to be a

775
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: permanent home at Midleway?

776
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 5: Is one seventy done?

777
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: Can we say that, like is going to be your

778
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: home for now?

779
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, One eighty five is my home, and uh,

780
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 9: you know what, I feel good about it. This is

781
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 9: where I've had the best moments of my career and

782
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 9: this is where I'm staying. So I feel good here.

783
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 9: I feel happy, and I feel strong. I put in

784
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 9: a lot of muscle for for to be able to

785
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 9: compete with these big guys. I knew so, so I

786
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 9: was when I was fighting for the title. I just

787
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 9: stayed at Middleway because I was doing well, right, I

788
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 9: was winning fights, I fought for the title.

789
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: So I stayed at Middleway.

790
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Uh where Now I feel like, Okay, this is my

791
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: actual home.

792
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 9: I feel good here and I'm ready to put on

793
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 9: a good show against some of the best fighters in

794
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 9: the world. And I'm not undecided. I'm one hred percent

795
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 9: sure that this is this is where I'm staying.

796
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: Look, we did see the picture. We don't have it

797
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: at the moment, but that picture, would you know, all

798
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: the fighters take the official UFC pictures and their fight

799
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: gear before each fight. It looked very dad bod like.

800
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to say this out loud because

801
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: I love this guy. He's an action fighter. He wears

802
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: his heart on his sleeve. He goes out there and

803
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: gets after it. But he's never been stopped. Let's say

804
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: he gets stopped here, is he gonna be uh making

805
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: his GFL debut next?

806
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: He has been stopped. He's just never been knocked out.

807
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: Sorry, he's ante twice. Yeah, he got stopped by Sean Brady.

808
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: But BBC has been mentioned he was he was infer

809
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: or implying, uh, you know, to be a strikes. I

810
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: think they hold on to him a little bit longer,

811
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: even if he loses, they might you know, I hate

812
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: to say it, dude, but this is the fight game. Like,

813
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: if he loses, well, they cut him potentially. But what

814
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I think was more likely to happen is that they

815
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: just try and use whatever's left of him against any

816
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: kind of name on the come up for as long

817
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: as they can, and then you know, tell him to

818
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: get to step in.

819
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 6: Uh.

820
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's I don't think I don't think that

821
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a loss here by itself sends him packing, but I

822
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: think it would be you know, like, again, you lose

823
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: this one and you're the UFC matchmakers, what lesson are

824
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you supposed to draw about his future if you can't

825
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: win this one at a weight class where you know,

826
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: we all kind of looked at it and it was like,

827
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: can he perform at this weight class? At times? He

828
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: certainly has been able to, but it also looks like

829
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: to me, he's just better suited physically for one seventy,

830
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: but he has a real hard time making it. Where

831
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: are you supposed to go if this doesn't work it

832
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: just narrow.

833
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: Drops Johnny Eblin on a PFL Dublin card or something.

834
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: I guess you could go to BKFC, where there seemed

835
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: to be paying well where you can go brawl like

836
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: you want to. I'm not trying to write the old

837
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: bit already. He's this's a big fight, and like if

838
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: he wins this, he's had what he would have one

839
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: three of his last four, so I'm likely you should

840
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: we should.

841
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: Point out something to b C. Piper faded down the

842
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: stretch and I don't know if it was last fight,

843
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: whatever the whatever the uh whenever that last loss was.

844
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't the Jackermanson. I don't have the date in

845
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: front of me, but he faded down the stretch in

846
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, and that was it. That was not

847
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: at altitude. So it's like that's a good point.

848
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: He altitude could be interesting. Let's hear from Pifer, who

849
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: believes the scenario could be true. He believes he's the

850
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: first one that could knock Gastle him out.

851
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 5: What'd you think of Kelvin When they offered you the name,

852
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: you fought like some obviously well known guys Jacker, Mancin

853
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: and others. But when Kelvin came, you know he's also

854
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: a veteran. What did you think and did you like

855
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 5: the matchup?

856
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 10: Yeah? I love the matchup. I thought it was very exciting.

857
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 10: You know, he's a guy that likes to bring it.

858
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 10: You know, he's entertaining the watch. I would say, as

859
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 10: of lately, his performances I don't think are of Calvin

860
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 10: of old, but I do believe that he did his

861
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 10: best work at middleweight. So you know, I know my

862
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 10: teammate beat him and Sean Brady and dominated, but we're

863
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 10: two completely different fighters. That's a question that's been popping

864
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 10: up a bunch, But you know, our styles are different.

865
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 10: Shawn's an amazing grappler. I'm a good grappler. I'm a

866
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 10: great striker, I think, and I want to be the

867
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 10: first guy to knock Calvin out. So yeah, when I

868
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 10: saw the matchup, I thought it was a great, great

869
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 10: fight for me.

870
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Luke, the twenty eight year old Pifer is four and

871
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: one in the UFC. We mentioned that loss to her Manson. Obviously,

872
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: he's going to have to test his guest tank at

873
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: elevation here against a veteran. Both of these guys unranked

874
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: that middleweight. Do you think Pifer has the type of

875
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: game where he could make a run here into title

876
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: contention with a few more wins.

877
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: I think Mexico City is going to be a great test.

878
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: It's amazing that they had a guy who kind of

879
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: faded in an important contender fight and they're like, you

880
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: know what, let's see what he does at elevation, Like,

881
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, could just almost compounding the misery. But it's

882
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: important to see what the answer is there. Beating Kelvin

883
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: gastolim By itself wouldn't necessarily portend a title future. Knocking

884
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: him out potentially could, or dominating him over the course

885
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: of three or winning a convincing decision while clearly answering

886
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: the question about could you get right at elevation for

887
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, a challenging opponent, like those kinds of things,

888
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: Like what do you need to see to believe he

889
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: could do it? I'll tell you, Like what was missing

890
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: in that loss to her Manson one? He went too hard,

891
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: too quickly, right, so he didn't manage his resources. So

892
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: can he paste it out a little bit? Uh? Three,

893
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: this is a this is a three round fight, correct,

894
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: not five correct, three round fight, so you know, it's

895
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: a little bit different than uh than the than you know,

896
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: a five round man event or whatever. So he can

897
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: he can kind of be a little bit more. He

898
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: has to be somewhat judicious with it, but he can

899
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of step on the gas pedal as well. But

900
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: the other one too was he was just kind of

901
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: lunging into attacks, you know. And so what I would

902
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: like to see from him is like, okay, methodically set

903
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: it up. Like, dude, if you put somebody who's like

904
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: not that great or halfway decent in front of Joe Pifer,

905
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: he'll decapitate them quickly, you know what I mean. Like,

906
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: it's very very you know, it's it's a it's a

907
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: it's a crocodile eating a gazelle or something like. It's

908
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: it's very very fast. But what we need to see

909
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: is somebody who can more patiently, over time apply it

910
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: against a credible, experienced and durable veteran. That's that's a

911
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: and again at elevation, this is a much different kind

912
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: of test. So I need to see him overcome the

913
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: things that set him back previously, a one note attack

914
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: and maybe fading with the cardio gain in different circumstances,

915
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: but faiting with the cardio down the stretch. You adjust

916
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: both of those in a meaningful way. And I think

917
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: you're cooking with gas hell.

918
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously he's on rank, so this isn't about

919
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: catapulting him. It's title contention. This is about the road

920
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: to get there and getting bigger names moving into that

921
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: top ten. This would be a good start, obviously, guesslam

922
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: still is a name. He still brings danger to the

923
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: table of some level. We'll find out high up in

924
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: the elevation of Mexico City. Hey fan favorite, twenty year

925
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: old still maybe future phenom. He's ten to one overall

926
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: and of course his name is Raoul Rosas Junior. And

927
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: one thing you have to say about him, luke UFC.

928
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: Crowds love this guy, especially when he's either in Las

929
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: Vegas or in Mexico City. He'll be here matched up

930
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: in this bantamweight bout against a Vince Morales who is

931
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: riding a two fight skid, and as we look at

932
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: the odds at the moment, the oddsmakers love Rosace minus

933
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: four eighty five the favorite to the plus three seventy Morales.

934
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: Does this feel like stay busy, showcase fight put another

935
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: popular name on the card to you? Or do you

936
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: still think because he's only twenty he really needs a

937
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: lot more of these type of matchups to continue to

938
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: round out his skill set, he.

939
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Needs a lot more of these matchups. But I will

940
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: tell you I have a very different feeling about Roller

941
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Rosas in part because one, I think what you're seeing

942
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: from his attacks or that they are slowly maturing in

943
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: the right direction, like things are headed in the right direction.

944
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: But what I think is actually helping him, and hear

945
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: me out on this, what I think is helping him BC,

946
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: is that people have kind of stopped with like he's

947
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: the grappling prodigy of the future, you know what I mean,

948
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Or he's you know, oh my god, he'll be a tile,

949
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: He'll be a champion by twenty three, by the time

950
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: he's twenty three, which, by the way, you know, could

951
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: still happen. But we're at twenty he's not really close

952
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: to that yet at all, and doesn't need to be.

953
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say here is BC.

954
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of hype around him about how

955
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: good he was already and how fast this career was moving,

956
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of that has slowed down to what

957
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I think is a much more natural and frankly fair

958
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: level to him, where you know, you've seen him kind

959
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: of fade a little bit or have some weaknesses. He's

960
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: slowly working on them. They're giving him opponents piece by

961
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: piece where he can kind of, you know, just get right,

962
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: fine tune everything along the way. And we've said this before, dude,

963
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: you know this is not the place ideally where you

964
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: want to be fine tuning your game. Of course, you're

965
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: always going to make improvements as a martial artist and

966
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: a fighter over time, but you need to have be

967
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: like more, much more foundationally set. He's trying to do

968
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: this on the job in the UFC. That's a very

969
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: very difficult thing to do. But because the sensationalism around

970
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: him has died down, I feel like this is a

971
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: much better time for him, you know what I mean.

972
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: Like there's not this crazy ass hype about him. That's

973
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: not fair to him, it's not fair to the situation,

974
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: it's not fair to his development. You tone that down

975
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: a little bit and everything becomes much more manageable, iterative,

976
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: all the right things. So I like this fight for him.

977
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: I like this fight for the crowd. I like this

978
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: opportunity for both guys, but obviously for him in particular.

979
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that this nut is the completely crazy

980
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: over hyping of him has come to earth a little bit.

981
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: It's only gonna make him better in the long run,

982
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: not worse.

983
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. He had that April twenty twenty three,

984
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: lost to Christian Rodriguez over three rounds, which kind of

985
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: exposed the fact that he's, you know, can't even legally

986
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: drink in the US. He's still developing despite having eleven

987
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: pro fights, but the three fight win streak since then,

988
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot. He stopped Terrence Mitchell inside of

989
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: one round to close twenty three, and then he submitted

990
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: Ricky TURKEYO tercios excuse me to open last year, and

991
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: then he had that big win at the Sphere over

992
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: three rounds against the Chinese guy. How do you pronounce

993
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: that guy? Iori Klang? Is that right or wrong?

994
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 6: I always get this one wrong, Ariki Lang Ricci something

995
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 6: like that. Either way.

996
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's right either.

997
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, he had a nice viral moment at the Sphere

998
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: when he delivered that oh so famous, catchy and viral

999
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: catchphrase that the whole crowd repeated. And our own friend here,

1000
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: who's made a lot of appearances on today's show, Danny Sigurha,

1001
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: gave the people what they wanted at media Day. Let's listen,

1002
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: how are you?

1003
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 5: I think there's only one proper way over here. I

1004
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: think there's only one proper way to start this Meetia day.

1005
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 5: Any chance we can get a chiweweize to get things

1006
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 5: on the right foot.

1007
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: Cheeweewee.

1008
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 5: Awesome, there we go.

1009
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: Look, doesn't chewee wee sound like if you, like accidentally

1010
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: crapped your pants while sleeping and then woke up and

1011
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: found out about it. It'd be like, oh shit, chewee

1012
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: wee's again, right, you know what I mean? I'll see

1013
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: myself out. It was great. Yeah, I'm gonna let you hang. Okay,

1014
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, What do we know about Vince Morales?

1015
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: What kind of test could he give?

1016
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 11: You know?

1017
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I think the odds kind of speak to this a

1018
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: little bit. As you mentioned, to fight skid not not

1019
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: the worst takedown defense I've ever seen, but not great.

1020
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: And I think you know, people are gonna say, ABC, well,

1021
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: Raoul should really work on his hands, And of course

1022
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: the answer to that is you have to yes, like,

1023
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: that's obviously true, million percent, but he should still be

1024
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: winning fights on the ground. In my opinion, take the

1025
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: case of somebody like Aaron Pico. Yeah, when he finally

1026
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: started to get everything integrated into his game and to

1027
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: get his confidence back and to get his ground game

1028
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: on notice, then they started letting him open up the

1029
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: hands a little bit more, and you saw what happened.

1030
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: You know, everything was just working flawlessly. But they spent

1031
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of fights where they were like, just win

1032
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: on the ground, no matter what. I still think he

1033
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: should be in that mode, not in desperation mode in

1034
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: that sense, but you know, this is where this is

1035
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: where the fight should be won and lost is right

1036
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: down here, and I think he has the acuity to

1037
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: do that. So this is one of those fights we

1038
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: see where it's like, you know, if he trained hard

1039
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: and he's in shape, and you know he doesn't make

1040
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: stupid mistakes, it's his fight to lose, is the way

1041
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: I would put it. It's his fight to lose. So

1042
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: this is what I mean. This is better, This is iterative.

1043
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: This is a smart kind of matchmaking. Do the UFC

1044
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: like when they're doing him a favor, man, they're doing

1045
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: him if they're doing him a lot of favors, and

1046
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: it looks to me like he might be taking advantage

1047
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: of him. Let's let's see how this goes.

1048
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Well. I'm not going to criticize it a because he's

1049
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: twenty B because I like that they're bringing him back

1050
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: to Mexico City where they know he's gonna get huge pops.

1051
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: And see, we criticize them for not putting in the

1052
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: time to make stars and instead taking people out of

1053
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: the Contender series and throwing them in big fights. Dude,

1054
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: sometimes you have to slow roll a guy and let

1055
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: him build it up. So well done to Sean Shelby

1056
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: and uh Mick and the crew over there. All right,

1057
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: great stuff. Look, let's continue to move down this Mexico

1058
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: City card. We know that there's got to be something

1059
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: on this undercard that's gonna move you. Is it Lupy

1060
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Godinez against Julia Polastri or not that at all?

1061
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: That's one you could do. Let's see Long Island. Luke

1062
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this earlier. I would say,

1063
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's a couple of these. The for me, uh,

1064
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: the Chaidez and Vergata fight is probably gonna be pretty

1065
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: action packed, good flyweight fight there, Long Island. Luke, you

1066
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: were you were talking about which one of the Costa

1067
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: and c Rod fight, that's the one that you like

1068
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: the most.

1069
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 6: I think it'll be a good fight.

1070
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 7: And then I said Emmer's Miranda, I feel like, yes,

1071
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 7: second fight of the night should be low key banger.

1072
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: Dude, if you actually look up. And I also think

1073
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: the Rofa Garcia and the Vince Bachelle fight could, depending

1074
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: how it goes, could be kind of fun and interesting

1075
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: along the way. There's thirteen fights on this card we see,

1076
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: and none of them are exactly like, oh my god,

1077
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: this is the best banger I've ever seen in my life.

1078
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: But they've all got action fight potential, or at least

1079
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: for the most party, they all have action fight potential.

1080
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: So for that reason, it's like there's a this one

1081
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: of those This is one of those cards where the

1082
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: prelims could could end up being better than the main

1083
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: card in insofar as you know which which which section

1084
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: of the car delivered the most exciting action. In that sense,

1085
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: the card really could over deliver here. But there's a

1086
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: there's a few different ones you could pick up and

1087
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: down this up and down this card long.

1088
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't look any final words about some good bets

1089
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: that people.

1090
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Can look at the bet.

1091
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 7: Well, you guys, didn't ask me about Rose as junior,

1092
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 7: but I wanted to say Luke was talking about him

1093
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 7: getting a takedown.

1094
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: He's taken down four or five of his UFC opponents.

1095
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 6: The only one he didn't take down was that Terrence

1096
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 6: Mitchell win where he knocked him out.

1097
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: In like fifty. That guy was so terrible.

1098
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 7: I mean, that guy was on tough and he comes

1099
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 7: from Alaska Fighting Championship. If you guys have never watched

1100
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 7: Alaska Fighting Championship, don't, just don't know. It is the

1101
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 7: I've ever seen. I gotta say, like, yeah, gired Kinnoneer.

1102
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 6: I think came from they they've never Euros Medicic. You

1103
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 6: know they've had guys come from there, but that the

1104
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 6: majority of them are terrible.

1105
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

1106
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 7: Anyways, he's taking down four of his five UFC opponents.

1107
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 7: Morales was taken down in five of his seven UFC losses.

1108
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 7: So I feel like, dude, Rosa just has to wrestle here,

1109
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 7: easy win for him. What else I got in the

1110
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 7: main card? I got the over one and a half

1111
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 7: in Pifer Gaslam. Gaslam hits it pretty much every single fight.

1112
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 7: Piper's only hit it three times though, in sixteen fights,

1113
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 7: so very risky there. I'm hoping the elevation slows him

1114
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: down and maybe he learned from that Hermanson less take

1115
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 7: it easy this time a little bit, you know. But

1116
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 7: other than that I already mentioned, I got Manuel Torres,

1117
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 7: I got the over two and a half and the

1118
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 7: main I mean, dude, I'm doing a full card.

1119
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: Watch along.

1120
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 6: If you guys want the full place.

1121
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: Boyfriend of the year right here, boyfriendly.

1122
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 6: Right here, let's go deep deep, but you should hit something.

1123
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: You should change the name of the main card minute

1124
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: to I ignore my girlfriend.

1125
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 6: Okay, that's you know that is I got no comeback

1126
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 6: to that, all right?

1127
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: That is UFC Mexico City pokes.

1128
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: Everyone just joke.

1129
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, will you be providing post fight content or

1130
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: during fight content?

1131
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna take a break. I'm gonna take a break.

1132
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: I have been getting slammed this week. I've barely kept up.

1133
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: I have a Cory sand Taket interview I haven't even

1134
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: had the chance to post yet, so I'll do. I'll

1135
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: probably do a recap on Sunday, but I'm not gonna

1136
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: go live on Saturday. I'm gonna spend time with my

1137
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: my wife and kid.

1138
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: They deserve that. As you're criticizing Nocita for just avoiding

1139
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: the women in his life, you know what I mean,

1140
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Let's go to topic number two. Former two

1141
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: time UFC heavyweight champion Kane Velasquez was officially sentenced to

1142
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: five years in prison four that shooting attempt. We remember

1143
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: the whole story of what went down, but that time

1144
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 2: will be mitigated by time served both in house arrest

1145
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: and the previous time that he was incarcerated after his

1146
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: initial arrests, meaning he's expected to serve less than two

1147
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: years total time coming forward in prison. Luke, We've seen

1148
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: a very polarizing mix of opinions upon this sentencing. The

1149
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: hashtag free Kine movement continues up and down the MMA landscape.

1150
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: In your opinion, was Kane velaskaz is sentencing fair for

1151
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: what was, in a lot of ways a reckless car

1152
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: chase and shooting and he ultimately shot the wrong guy?

1153
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is an interesting one to me.

1154
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: BC like pop quiz on this one. How long was

1155
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the car chase that he went on? Do you remember

1156
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: it was over multiple towns?

1157
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: Right?

1158
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: It was eleven miles? Okay, eleven miles? Eleven miles and

1159
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: if you actually read the police report, they found shell

1160
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: casings at least seven miles apart both of the initial

1161
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: spot in his car at the next one. You can

1162
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: go and map this out. If you read the police report,

1163
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: you can see where he went. There were elementary schools

1164
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: operating at the time, ordinary businesses, pedestrians. I mean, you

1165
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: name it. Here's the thing. Be see. This is not

1166
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: one of the situations where IM going to get up

1167
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: here and be like, you know, Caine deserves to rot

1168
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: in prison. I don't think he does. I don't think

1169
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: that's true at all. In fact, I'm pretty satisfied, such

1170
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: as one can be with the outcome. I mean when

1171
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: I say satisfied, I'm not happy about it, but I

1172
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: think the justice system kind of worked out in his favor.

1173
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: A little bit here, we should back up a step.

1174
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, why is it that the state

1175
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: is hammering Kine and not doing anything to the guy

1176
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: who's alleged to have done stuff to his kid. Oh no, no,

1177
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: that dude has a trial in June, so he's going

1178
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to see his day in court. Let's start with that.

1179
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: Cain pled no contest, so he was able to move

1180
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: through this process a little bit more quickly, which is

1181
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: why they could resolve it quicker. But like, make no mistake,

1182
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: that dude who is alleged to have done what can

1183
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: only be described as basically the most hetous, like one

1184
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: of the most heinous crimes a person could even engage in,

1185
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: He's got a court day in June, So let's be

1186
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: clear about that. That's the first thing I'm gonna say.

1187
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: The second thing I'm going to say is I think

1188
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: that the justice Again, I'm not a career prosecutor, and

1189
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: so like, understanding what our accounts for normal sentencing guidelines

1190
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: is beyond our purview, But I'm trying to understand the

1191
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: argument made by others that Cain has been done wrong

1192
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: by the justice system. Now, again, we will see what

1193
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: happens to the court case of the guy who is

1194
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: alleged to have done unspeakable horrors to his kid, And

1195
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how to weigh in on that until

1196
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: that happens, but that is going to happen. And in

1197
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the case of Cain, I mean, you know, guys, like,

1198
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: are we really making the argument that if you feel

1199
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: like it, you can go and chase people for or

1200
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: eleven miles risk. You know, you could just endanger the

1201
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: public in this particular way, not even get the person

1202
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: you were looking to get, get somebody who is at

1203
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: least legally speaking, totally innocent. Again, legally speaking, totally innocent,

1204
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: and that like this is a suitable way in which

1205
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: to operate like this is obviously quite nonsensical. Now do

1206
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: I understand? And BC as a father, you understand this

1207
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: as a father, I understand this. Like someone said, what

1208
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: would you do if you know this happened to you,

1209
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: if you were in Kane's position? Dude, maybe I'd react

1210
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: the same way as Kane, right, you know what I mean?

1211
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm not here to say, oh I would. I

1212
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: would take a deep breath and sleep on it. If

1213
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: you don't even like I don't know that. I mean,

1214
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: maybe you and I would do the Maybe you and

1215
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I would do the exact same thing. But the reality

1216
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: on top of it is he got time served. This

1217
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: was during busy traffic. Two eyewitnesses saw him ramming a truck.

1218
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: This was near schools. This was it went on for

1219
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: eleven miles. Was a forty caliber pistol that he was using,

1220
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: which is not a small round.

1221
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: And didn't he wait for the accused to exit court

1222
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: or a prison, like it was when that guy got released, right, he.

1223
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: Was showing up to get his ankle monitor because obviously

1224
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: he you know, due to the nature of he has

1225
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: that the dude who was accused of doing this heinous

1226
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: shit has And we have to say that because that's

1227
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: where we're legally at and you know, you have to

1228
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: describe it accurately at the time present, he had to

1229
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: get an ankle monitor because he pled not guilty. He

1230
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: has pled not guilty of this. Now again he's accused

1231
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: of doing the worst shit on earth. We'll get his

1232
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: day in court. But the one I want to make

1233
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: is are we really saying that King was done wrong

1234
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: by the justice system that like, dude, b see, just

1235
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: to understand something, What if he had hit another person

1236
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: and paralyzed them or killed them with his car or

1237
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: with a bullet, What if he had what if one

1238
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: of these things had gone into a school. What if

1239
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: he had flipped his own car somehow or endangered himself

1240
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: and gotten injured? Like, how is that a better outcome

1241
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: for his family? Is the state supposed to look at

1242
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: that and say, yeah, no big deal, Like we totally

1243
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: get it. Like, as far as the state is concerned,

1244
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: they have to do something. They can't just allow people

1245
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: to act in this way. And I want to make

1246
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: one last point about this PC Like the person who

1247
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: makes the most compelling argument about Cain's actions, you know,

1248
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: while you can understand them certainly, but nevertheless being legally

1249
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: quite reckless, is kane Velasquez. Kane Velaskaz's statement to the

1250
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: court was total contrition. He totally understood it was reckless,

1251
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: it was dangerous, and it was irresponsible. You only have

1252
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: to read what he says. So to me, if he

1253
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: had gone through with this and someone would have gotten injured,

1254
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: not only would unspeakable horrors have happened to his child,

1255
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: but then he would have had to gone away for life.

1256
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: And that doesn't serve anybody's interest either. Here is a

1257
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: case where the state says, Okay, what you did was bad,

1258
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: but we understand the circumstances. A little bit more prison

1259
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: time about a year, and some change is required, and

1260
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: then you can go live your life. I think that

1261
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: that is all things being what they are. Tragic situation,

1262
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: but a reasonable outcome given the circumstances.

1263
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm aligned with you. I don't I don't think you

1264
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: can just easily say, well, he didn't shoot up accidentally.

1265
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: You know a kid or I know someone who received

1266
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: the accidental gunfire.

1267
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: Was it a the Yeah, well, I believe the stepfather

1268
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: who was in the vehicle, and I think he was driving,

1269
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and.

1270
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: I think you know, and it took place out a

1271
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: daycare which was owned by the accused his mother, I believe. So, like,

1272
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: I get all this, but I don't think you can

1273
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: just say like, well, it didn't happen, so he's free,

1274
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: because obviously the intent was there. I agree with you

1275
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: if this happened to either of us, like you just

1276
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: really don't know what you would do. We may have

1277
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: done the same thing, but I think I also would

1278
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: have understood what the penalty would be by doing that,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of us would accept that

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Speaker 2: penalty in that situation if that rage was so real. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: he got the most lenient sentencing possible. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: against the MMA community supporting him and even saying to

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Speaker 2: the level of well, I probably would have done the

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Speaker 2: same thing, because again, this is a heinous crime that

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Speaker 2: was committed to his family, but the whole hashtag Free

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Speaker 2: Kine movement just kind of supports a lawless eye for

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Speaker 2: an eye society. And that's what you know, Like he

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Speaker 2: got off ultimately well. And so yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: think that's all that needs to be said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we don't we don't have to go into detail.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, dude, I'm not the Only thing I

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Speaker 1: want out of this is for Kine's family to find

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Speaker 1: peace and happiness. And I absolutely mean that with every

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Speaker 1: fiber of my being. And what I will say is,

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Speaker 1: after he went on that rampage, and again, like you said,

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Speaker 1: maybe you and I would have done the exact same thing,

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Speaker 1: but after he went on it, of all the ways

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Speaker 1: that like once he did it right, of all the

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Speaker 1: ways that could have gone in terms of that, it's

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Speaker 1: gone pretty well in the sense that somebody didn't get killed,

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Speaker 1: which you know then would have just been like mandatory

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Speaker 1: sentencing at that point, I believe, so like you know,

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Speaker 1: you would have just been screwed. It would have been

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Speaker 1: nothing you could do. And he'll be with his family

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Speaker 1: in about a year or so, give or take, right.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that Kin learned his lesson in

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Speaker 1: the sense that, like he realizes that this is not

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Speaker 1: a way you can go through your life, and you

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Speaker 1: have to be there for your family, which I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he will be. I have no question about that whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Like I believe Kin will live a completely and I

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Speaker 1: mean it's in a good way, ordinary law abiding life

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Speaker 1: from here on out. I have zero concerns. So I

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Speaker 1: just want everyone to be like, what do you know?

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Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself, like what do you want

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Speaker 1: the state to do when somebody engages in this behavior?

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Speaker 1: And even if we are totally sympathetic to the motivations

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Speaker 1: certainly are, there is it's very easy to understand that part.

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Speaker 1: Just being like nothing should happen in those cases seems

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Speaker 1: to me a bit going overboard. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a of all the ways this could have gone,

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Speaker 1: this was one of the in terms of his punishment

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Speaker 1: and what he has to do, this was one that

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Speaker 1: I think this the you know, more or less reached

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Speaker 1: a suitable conclusion.

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Speaker 2: Let's see that statement from Kane's attorney to put a

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Speaker 2: closure on this. If you today's results are bittersweet. We

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Speaker 2: had hoped mister Velaskez would remain out of jail. However,

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Speaker 2: the facts remain clear. Kine is a good man, a

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Speaker 2: devote a father, respective member of the community. What he

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Speaker 2: and his family have endured have been nothing short of

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Speaker 2: a living nightmare, one they did not deserve. Throughout it all,

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Speaker 2: Cain has shown courage and strength of character. He has

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Speaker 2: taken responsibility for his actions, which is true, and has

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Speaker 2: been held accountable. The sentence handed down today reflects the

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Speaker 2: complexities of the situation and acknowledges the man behind the headlines.

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Speaker 2: When he's released, he will continue to lead by example, protecting, contributing,

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: All Right, luke Let's transition into topic number three and

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Speaker 2: a continuing trend here from the idea of UFC seeking

1381
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: design big name foreign free agents that have established themselves

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Speaker 2: and either other organizations or other sports. Right, think about

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: the time that Alex Poeton Pereira came to the UFC

1384
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Speaker 2: because of that storied rivalry and kickboxing with Israel Atasania. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's flip that forward. We know the last person to

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Speaker 2: defeat Pereira in kickboxing was Glory champion Artam Vakitov, and

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Speaker 2: he did go through the Danna Y Contender series and

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Speaker 2: get a win. But when presented with a UFC contract,

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Speaker 2: he ultimately passed. Let's first read vak Toov's statement and

1390
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: it says the former Glory champion no longer has UFC

1391
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Speaker 2: in his immediate plans despite that contract offer, and the

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Speaker 2: quote is, according to UFC protocols, they were not able

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Speaker 2: to offer me more than the standard contract offered to

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Speaker 2: all fighters who progressed through this show, meaning the Contender series.

1395
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Speaker 2: My team attempted to negotiate, vaky Tov said, but the

1396
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Speaker 2: UFC rules were strict and no changes were possible. End quote,

1397
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. Interesting story here. Does the UFC need to

1398
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: sign free agents like this or is this handwringing from

1399
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: the bitter online fan base who like us, tend to

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: really focus on this whole idea of fighter pay.

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01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: PC. What is the point of monopoly if we can't

1402
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: even get the fighters that make exciting noise, that are

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01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: easily affordable by the promotion, Like, what is the point?

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean? Because what folks will tell you is having

1405
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: everything vertically integrated. Right, We've got which is more than

1406
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: just who you have on the roster. But you know,

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01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: having this roster, you have eighty eighty five ninety percent

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: of the world's best guys, which I think is a

1409
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: bit of an exaggeration. Now maybe closer to eighty. But

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: you know you've got the majority of them. What is

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01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: the point of keeping some on the outside that you

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: can easily afford that could be a big boost to

1413
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: your roster in really important ways, and in fact, you know,

1414
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: could be the next big superstar. Folks might note they're like, well,

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01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: how do you know that the Vaki Tov thing would

1416
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: would work? I don't. I have no idea. If that

1417
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: would work, they might sign him and he could totally

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: bought him out, in which case great, Like you tried

1419
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: and it failed. What about Cedric Doombay? Maybe he would

1420
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: only be relevant for France and he couldn't beat anybody

1421
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: good here, Like, maybe that would bottom out too. I'm

1422
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: not really opposed to that idea, but maybe also BC,

1423
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: you sign those two guys, and you signed Saladeen Parnass right,

1424
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: the guy who's trying to become the triple champ of KSW,

1425
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: still the existing double champ, and he hits, and all

1426
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Speaker 1: of a sudden you've got the next exciting star in MMA.

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: It didn't matter what you spent, in part because it

1428
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: was never going to be that much anyway. But whatever

1429
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Speaker 1: you spent on vaky tav and whatever you spent on

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Speaker 1: Doombay in this hypothetical is a is a penance of

1431
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Speaker 1: the kind of money you're going to make back on

1432
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: the next star that hits like it. It's not a

1433
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: question about whether they can afford it. And if you

1434
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Speaker 1: can afford it and it makes your roster better, why

1435
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you do it? And the answer, of course PC

1436
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Speaker 1: is what matters most is such that we can tell

1437
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: is that when there's a conflict between what a fighter

1438
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Speaker 1: wants and what the UFC is willing to pay in

1439
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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, keeping fighter compensation at twenty percent

1440
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 1: or below, they have they penny pinch. They penny pinch

1441
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Speaker 1: on this. And again we're not making a case that

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Speaker 1: you have to sign every free agent at every amount

1443
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Speaker 1: dollar amount that they want. You can pass on some

1444
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Speaker 1: of these guys. But it's like, how is this better

1445
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Speaker 1: for the consumer? I know what folks might say, oh, well,

1446
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Speaker 1: this keeps the UFC's you know, finances in order. I'm

1447
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Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about that. I'm asking, as a

1448
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Speaker 1: consumer make the argument that the UFC passing on guys

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Speaker 1: like this is good for you. Make the argument that

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Speaker 1: it's good for me. Make that up, make that argument

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Speaker 1: because you really can't. And BC, funny little thing. I

1452
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Speaker 1: used to live in a world and it was called

1453
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Speaker 1: twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen where the UFC was

1454
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Speaker 1: excited and like, oh there's somebody else out there making

1455
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Speaker 1: noise in another promotion. We're gonna get them. Exact, we're

1456
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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get them, and there was like this

1457
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Speaker 1: hunt to go get them, and sometimes they might overpay,

1458
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Speaker 1: not not all of them paid off BC. But to

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1460
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Speaker 1: be clear about something, vaky Tov is better than Izzy

1461
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Speaker 1: and Pootonic kickboxing. He's better than both of them, and

1462
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Speaker 1: they're just like, no, I'll pitch it back to YOUBC,

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Speaker 1: but I really don't understand what the consumer argument is

1464
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Speaker 1: for looking the other way on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, look like when Poton decided to come over from MMA,

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Speaker 2: he didn't have to go through the Danaway Contender series.

1467
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Speaker 2: They made Vokatov do that. Okay, that's fine, right, that's

1468
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Speaker 2: the newest trend. Everybody's got to do that. He did that.

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Speaker 2: He gotta win. He was impressive, and while we don't

1470
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Speaker 2: know about the figures offered, I can't be like, well,

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Speaker 2: who's gonna sign for twelve and twelve when you've got

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Speaker 2: a name elsewhere. It seems like they low balled the

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Speaker 2: shit out of this guy and was like take it

1474
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Speaker 2: or leave it. And obviously it seems like there's a

1475
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Speaker 2: larger trend of this continuing to happen. And Luke, I

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Speaker 1: White sell himself you're seventy four precise.

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Speaker 2: Right, So we are seeing what the TKO era of

1481
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: UFC ownership really means. The rich get richer as they

1482
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 2: continue to pull every single dollar incent out of the

1483
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,240
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1484
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: outrageous government contracts to bring their events to cities, which

1485
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: is within their right of course. But when you're making

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Speaker 2: year over year financial record breaking gain and the matchmaking

1487
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: continues to suffer, the star power continues to suffer, the

1488
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: idea that UFC always makes the matchups that we want starting,

1489
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: you know, in some big cases continuing to suffer, and

1490
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: now you've got this opportunity of a free agent who

1491
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 2: wants to be there, has a name, has a resume,

1492
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: has a history with Poeton that's very comparable to the

1493
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: one that Poeton had with Izzy went through your Dana

1494
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: White Contender series. But you're like, yeah, but you got

1495
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: to come in on that low ball offer like everybody else,

1496
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: because that's what we do. I get when you're on

1497
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 2: top going, which we often hear said from UFC or

1498
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 2: even you know, the vincric Man led WW previously, that

1499
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: we don't offer a career, we offer an opportunity. I

1500
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: get that. But if somebody's already established elsewhere and they're

1501
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: deeper into their career and they're not some twenty something

1502
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: right out of the regionals, how are you going to

1503
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: get off making this much money and then offering this

1504
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 2: little So you're right, Luke. I think that there is

1505
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,919
Speaker 2: a general UFC apathy that started, of course with journalists

1506
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: like us who were noticing trends and really not liking

1507
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,919
Speaker 2: it right continuing on with the great kind of financial

1508
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: reporting from the likes of the nim drawer John S Nash.

1509
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's now catching up with the audiences

1510
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: as well. We saw what happened in London last week.

1511
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: A sparse crowd, a lot of complaints. That's the only

1512
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: way things are going to change, right when when they're

1513
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: when it affects their bottom line, when people are no

1514
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: longer buying tickets, are no longer buying pay per views.

1515
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: But it really has to hurt if you're a hardcore

1516
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: fan and there's things you were just accustomed to getting

1517
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: in a monopoly, like the leading organization employing the leading

1518
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 2: fighters and putting on the biggest fights possible. And I

1519
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: don't know how you can still defend that they are.

1520
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: That's really the continuing trend here that's so troubling.

1521
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: And they can afford all of it. They can afford.

1522
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: This is not a question of like, hey, it's the

1523
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: Oakland A's can they really afford you know show? Hey

1524
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: o Tani, Well they can't, they can't. But that's not

1525
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: this case. This is like the La Dodgers and the

1526
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: New York Yankees all being and a bunch of other

1527
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: teams all in one being like, yeah, we're not going

1528
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: to pay. I'm not saying for Showhan, I wouldn't call

1529
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: them put them on that level, but you know, some

1530
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: kind of interesting prospect out of Japan, interesting prospect out

1531
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: of the miners. So you're like, wow, this would be

1532
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: really interesting. They can afford all of it. It's really

1533
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: not that very It's not difficult for them to do

1534
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: at all. And you see what would be the reason

1535
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: why they would want to pass we said previously it

1536
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: would be in fealty to the business model, or they

1537
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: would just the their athlete compensation is essentially capped. Also,

1538
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, some of these guys they just may not

1539
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: believe in and we should. You know, there's a there's

1540
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: a fair way to reject them on that level, right, or.

1541
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody said, look maybe I mean, do we know

1542
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: if Vakitov said you have to sign me at this

1543
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: number or I'm walking. I mean there's there's a negotiation.

1544
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: But like whatever Glory's paying him, like UFC could easily match.

1545
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just this is not even a thing.

1546
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: But the point I wanted to make is in regards

1547
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: to the situation is, you know, part of it is

1548
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: this fealty, as we mentioned, to the business model, but

1549
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: the other part of it is like for example, you

1550
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: mentioned Tko there's a report late last night that the

1551
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: that like Orlando's government, I'm not sure exactly which arm

1552
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: of it, but they're looking to raise or collect eighteen

1553
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: million to give TKO for several different TKO events. I

1554
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: think many of them being pro wrestling for WWE, but like,

1555
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen million, like like they've got a like

1556
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: the UFC has this, like we talked about this before,

1557
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: like they never want to be leveraged. They don't want

1558
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: to be leveraged by sponsors, So they want sponsors who

1559
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: are you know, politically like aligned with them, and they

1560
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, they they don't want to be leveraged by media.

1561
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: They don't want to be leveraged by fighters. But it

1562
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: looks to me like they don't even want to be

1563
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: leveraged by like fan demand at this point. They want

1564
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: to be able to sign guys on the cheap. And then,

1565
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: because you can't ever really gain full legitimacy without fighting

1566
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC, you're kind of just if you're one

1567
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: of these free agents, you're left to just kind of

1568
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: roam out there. But to me, I'm just gonna ask

1569
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: a very important question. Is it not better for the

1570
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: consumer when companies are forced to hustle for your dollar

1571
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: when they're forced to pay competitive rates for at least

1572
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: what is perceived to be a premier talent or interesting talent,

1573
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: or the kind of talent that can meaningfully help the

1574
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: consumer experience. Like if all, if the business is completely

1575
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: insulated from these pressures, are you actually getting what you

1576
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: deserve as a customer? And I would humbly submit. I

1577
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: don't know if ucketov would ever been anything good in MMA.

1578
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea of doomb is going to be

1579
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: anything part and ask to me is already quite obviously good,

1580
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: but you know how good would he be in the end.

1581
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to answer these questions,

1582
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: but I just feel like the reflex to be like,

1583
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: tell people like that to fuck off. I just don't

1584
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: understand what the consumer argument is for that given the circumstances.

1585
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 2: Well, we have a statement here from Parnass which can

1586
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 2: further this conversation. Along he is a French French UFC fighter.

1587
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 2: Morgan Cherryer told Ariel Juanne that the KSW two division

1588
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: champion Parnass didn't sign with the UFC because KSW is

1589
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: paying him very well. Also, Morgan says his teammate Tyler

1590
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: Lapolis didn't get released his contract recently ended. Morgan thinks

1591
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: Taylor is talking with the UFC right now and looking

1592
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: to get more money and better opportunities. Luke, what the

1593
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 2: hell does that mean?

1594
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: So the point is that Parnass was like, I'd love

1595
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: to go to UFC. Can you match what KSW is offering?

1596
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, we're not even gonna try.

1597
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: Didn't that kind of happen with Kayla Harrison? I mean, like,

1598
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: are we under the belief that she had to take

1599
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: a lot less than PFL was paying her to go

1600
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: to the UFC, and but she was out a point

1601
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: in her career where she wants to be great and she.

1602
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like you know, getting on pay per view,

1603
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you could still make more in UFC depending

1604
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: on the circle stance, right, But I do believe that

1605
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: there was you know, PFL was paying more for her

1606
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: than UFC is. I don't know if it's substantial, but

1607
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, again, it's like her circumstances different because she

1608
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: was just willing to do it. But it's like this

1609
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: is this is better for the average MMA fan. I

1610
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: would love to hear how that argument works because I

1611
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: can't even understand what that would even be.

1612
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: I think we have a statement from Cedric Doombay as well.

1613
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: Here if you can post that, it's not a statement,

1614
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: but if you just look here, Doombay was on his

1615
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. This was some months ago. This is yeah,

1616
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: it's about a year ago. Excuse me a little. Actually,

1617
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: even more than that that he was saying when he

1618
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: first signed with the PFL he was going to get

1619
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: paid one hundred and forty k per five. This is

1620
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: not a huge sum, but he was only offered twenty

1621
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: and twenty to sign with the UFC, and he was like,

1622
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's like, dude, one forty to fight.

1623
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, is that breaking the UFC's bank? Like, this

1624
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: is what I mean. Like when they're not asking for

1625
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: princely sums, it's just asking beyond what the business model

1626
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: typically affords.

1627
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: Final question on this, like when when TKO is in

1628
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: the business room when they're having the big boy meetings,

1629
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: do they just not care? Are they looking to pull

1630
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: out every cent and then flip it and sell it

1631
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: like or like like what is the mindset like, Oh,

1632
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: we have the fans where we want them, they'll they'll

1633
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 2: pay for anything.

1634
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: So f that, Like, yeah, I think it's I think

1635
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I don't know if they have like

1636
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: an f the fans attitude exactly, but what I would

1637
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: say is they it appears to me they feel quite

1638
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: quite understandably very confident in the market position. You know,

1639
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: this is this is this is not the actions of

1640
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: an organization that feels like they have to compete. They're

1641
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: literally just like yeah, whatever, what do you what? They mean?

1642
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to them, And it's not You can't

1643
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: make the argument that like they're passing on these guys

1644
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: because they don't pass the test about ability like sliding

1645
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: partnass doesn't. I mean, what are we even talking about here?

1646
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't pass the test of ability. He's better than

1647
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, half the guys in his division on the roster, like,

1648
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: if not more than that. Like it's crazy that you

1649
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: could even make an argument like that. It's just that

1650
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: they feel so secure that they don't have to compete

1651
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: for your dollars one more time? What is the consumer

1652
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: argument for this arrangement? I just don't know what it

1653
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: could be.

1654
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: I just want the old UFC back. It was really

1655
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 2: fun covering it watching.

1656
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: It, right when they wanted to dominate and they really

1657
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: felt like hustling for your dollars. They were, they went

1658
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: white knuckle with everything, and I don't know what to say.

1659
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Don Davis's tweet and hey John Jones, if you

1660
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: want fifty million, come to the PFL and fighting ghanu

1661
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: As if it's possible.

1662
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, thanks, thanks Tom, thanks for this. I

1663
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: mean he's right, but like also that's not going to happen, so.

1664
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so thank you very much. Let's transition to topic

1665
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: number four, and we're talking about, you know, previously maybe

1666
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: the biggest star in UFC, alex Poeton Perera, who's coming

1667
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 2: off of that title loss at UFC three thirteen to

1668
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: Magomt and Calaiath. Joe Rogan put out a rumor that

1669
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: now Pereira has confirmed during an appearance on the Area

1670
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 2: Hallwane Show that he had both a broken hand and

1671
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: neurovirus entering thatloser than people remember decision loss to Ank Aliev.

1672
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: So let's bring in Quervo's shots fired. Time to look

1673
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: at these quotes. Thank you very much, Quervo. Here is

1674
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: the statement that Pereira made on the Eral Hawani show. Quote,

1675
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: my hand is fine, but it did affect things. But

1676
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to use that as an excuse. I

1677
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: don't want to make excuses. I don't want to use

1678
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: this as leverage for anything. Yes, I considered not fighting

1679
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: at UFC three point thirteen. It was one of the

1680
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: more complicated fight camps. From everything that happened, I don't

1681
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: regret it. End quote. So so Luke Thomas, interesting stuff here.

1682
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: He's not making an excuse, but it did happen. So

1683
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: did what to what extent did those factors, in your

1684
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 2: opinion contribute to the loss? And do we think it

1685
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: even matters in terms of whether the re match will

1686
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: be any different?

1687
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sympathetic to it, to be honest with you.

1688
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: I know that people hate excuses and I do too.

1689
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: I do too, So there's a little part of me

1690
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, you lost in the title fight.

1691
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: Better to just accept it, you know. But he wasn't

1692
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: the one that put the rumor out. I'm not, you know,

1693
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious about like how that actually I know that

1694
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan said it, but I'm saying, like, who told

1695
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: him and why he told the public is an interesting conversation.

1696
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: But I'll say this did you know this BC, These

1697
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: guys go into these fights fucked up all the time,

1698
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: all the time. And I tell you what, you know

1699
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: it's probably true because he went and fought other guys

1700
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four with broken ass toes on short

1701
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: notice saving events, and he tried to do he tried

1702
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: to pull another rabbit out of the hat and yeah

1703
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: against Uncle IAB at that time, it didn't work.

1704
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: He didn't look. He did admit after the Roundtree fight

1705
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 2: that he was ill heading into that camp as.

1706
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: Well, exactly like these guys are all as fucked up.

1707
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 4: Man.

1708
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: The training is hard, their bodies are beat up, especially

1709
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,959
Speaker 1: if we want to stay in like you know, competitive frequency.

1710
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: We were just constantly out there all the time. So

1711
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that alone makes me like,

1712
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: for a guy who saved a bunch of events and

1713
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: you knew he was fucked up before, like this is

1714
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: not a thing he's afraid to do, to then be like,

1715
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, I was fucked up in this one too.

1716
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: I believe him. And second of all, B see, this

1717
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: is to me the litmus test about all of this.

1718
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: Did po Aton look like himself? There's a pretty strong

1719
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: argument to make that he didn't. Now, of course, the

1720
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: flip side to that is, well, Magamed made him not

1721
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: look like himself. Okay, I'm absolutely sympathetic to that. I

1722
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's some kind of crazy thing, like, oh,

1723
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: you're just saying that because of this injury, Uncle Ive

1724
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: just waltzed in and did what he did. No, Uncle

1725
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: Liave's good. Uncle Ive's very good. But I'll say this,

1726
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: if you can get a poeton who doesn't have a

1727
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: broken hand, what does that do then? Like, where are

1728
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: we at at that point? He can Uncle I have

1729
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: do it again against a guy like that. You want

1730
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: to see the rematch anyway, for a guy who you

1731
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: know will step in on those conditions and for a

1732
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: guy who didn't quite seem himself. Which is a complicated topic,

1733
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: but I'm just putting that out there. I don't like excuses,

1734
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: so it rubs me a little bit the wrong way.

1735
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: But I'm sympathetic to this guy a getting another shot,

1736
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: And b do I expect the rematch to look a

1737
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: little different. I absolutely do.

1738
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: Sure I do. Do you know what I'm saying? I

1739
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 2: think it adds some element of intrigue more to the

1740
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: rematch because he was compromised.

1741
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 4: I like that.

1742
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: He didn't lean into it as an excuse. If you're

1743
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: gonna do that, you got to take what comes with that.

1744
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: But let's also not forget even though I thought Uncle

1745
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: I have performed better run by round scoring I had

1746
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: at three to two Perreira, he was never taken down.

1747
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 2: He was certainly controlled and muted. But I think that's

1748
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: gonna make this rematch very, very interesting. And that was,

1749
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,519
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1750
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,160
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1751
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Speaker 2: of course with Quervo, and we will be seeing more

1752
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: of Quervo Luke Wednesday, April ninth, when we hit up

1753
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: live and direct from New York City. That loaded UFC

1754
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 2: three to fourteen pre game preview, So get ready for

1755
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 2: that one coming at you for that Miami card. What'd

1756
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: you think quickly about Pereira sending him to Hell and

1757
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Calia on Twitter and basically being like, well, you couldn't

1758
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: take me down at all, So let's see what happens

1759
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 2: in this rematch.

1760
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: Complaining about the greasing too. Yeah, I'm curious with the rematch.

1761
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: I'll just leave it that way. I'm curious about the rematch.

1762
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: I want to see how that looks. I believe that

1763
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: you should do it for a lot of reasons, not

1764
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: least of which is can you reasonably expect that the

1765
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: second one could look different? Absolutely for that with even

1766
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: on Calia winning in that one too, but that it'd

1767
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: be different than the first one.

1768
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I'd like to live in a world

1769
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: where injured fighters wouldn't fight because it changes everything. Right,

1770
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: if you're flying to the fight and making a weekend

1771
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: out of it and then the fighter you're expecting to

1772
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: see is compromise like TJ. Dillshaw's shoulder that time, or

1773
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: if you put money down on the betting line, it

1774
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: seems unfair. It also seems really hard to police if

1775
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: people are gonna hide injuries. But I guess I mean

1776
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: that's the.

1777
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: Other part too. It's like, dude, if all these guys

1778
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't fight when they were injured, I don't know how

1779
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: many events there would be per year, to be perfectly honest,

1780
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: And like, you know, they need the money, you know.

1781
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Poton's not poor or anything, but a

1782
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of these guys we're talking about the total of

1783
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,560
Speaker 1: who fights injured, there's a lot of these guys that

1784
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: need the money also, b see a lot of these guys,

1785
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, they have to learn this the hard way,

1786
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: which is they'll fight with injuries and then they'll win.

1787
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: Then they'll be like, okay, well I can just I

1788
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: can fight with a lot of different injuries. Then and

1789
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: then they'll fight with some kind of injury that was

1790
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: a bridge too far, and then they're like, oh right,

1791
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: there is a limit to this kind of thing. But

1792
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: it takes them a while to figure that out. Like,

1793
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: if you're going to celebrate a guy for stepping in

1794
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: and being injured, you know, and winning, and you know

1795
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: he's done it several times when it ends up on

1796
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: the losing side, you don't have to like look the

1797
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: other way. But I think being a little bit forgiving

1798
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: about it is in order here.

1799
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, think about what prayer has done for

1800
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: this company and for us as fans, right bailing out

1801
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: these big events and being great.

1802
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: So, see what would twenty twenty four have been if

1803
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: Polton didn't fight injured.

1804
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 2: It would have been the year that made tul Toria

1805
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: a living legend. And speaking Luke of a bridge too far,

1806
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: that's the perfect transition to topic number five, the former

1807
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: featherweight champion, my number two pound for pound in the sport,

1808
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: Iliot Taporia held a press conference to announce he's changing

1809
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: his nickname from El Matator to La Leenda, aka the Legend.

1810
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 2: At a time when the UFC could really use star power,

1811
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: of course, to step up and energize the fan base.

1812
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: Is Toporia missing the moment? Missing the point here? Luke

1813
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: we softly criticized him when he changes Twitter bio before

1814
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: ever winning the title. As as the unbeaten champion. He also,

1815
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: you know, did that whole thank you to himself. Now

1816
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 2: now you know, mid career, he's calling himself the legend.

1817
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: We need stars, we need people like this. But I

1818
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: need you to take the stand here for your boy.

1819
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: It's this a little bit too pretentious. Let me make

1820
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: the case for this, if I may, let me make

1821
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: the case for this.

1822
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: Okay. It goes something like this. All right, there's three

1823
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: reasons why I'm not gonna say I like this because

1824
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I think it's super fucking weird. Okay, but I think

1825
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. And here's here's the argument. First,

1826
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's done like super ballsy shit like

1827
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: this where I'm gonna be I'm gonna call myself the

1828
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: UFC champion on Instagram before you even fought the guy,

1829
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, before you won anything, which is like the

1830
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: ultimate jinx. And then he goes out there and he

1831
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: actually does it right, You're like, okay, all right, I mean,

1832
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend anybody else do it, but he got

1833
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: away with it this time. Okay. There's certain kind of

1834
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: stakes in anticipation, so it's not like he's never done

1835
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: this before. He's done it almost exactly this kind of

1836
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: thing before. That's the first thing I'm gonna say. The

1837
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: second thing I'm gonna say is, either way, someone gets

1838
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: to feast here. So he changed his nickname to the Legend,

1839
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, the kids say cringe. We

1840
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: used to say Douce chills b see. But either way,

1841
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: you know the feeling that you get when you when

1842
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: you read this, you're like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

1843
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: But if he wins, let's say he fights Charles and

1844
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: then viciously Chao's him, I mean, it doesn't exactly. It's

1845
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: not the same thing as like I'm gonna call myself

1846
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 1: the champion, then like you literally become the champion afterwards.

1847
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't like there's a there's a direct switch being

1848
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: flipped in that case. You don't get You don't get

1849
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: that with beating Charles per se, but it certainly adds

1850
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: ammunition to whatever he's trying to do for himself, and

1851
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: so you know, it's another way of like upping the

1852
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: ante here a little bit. Conversely, conversely, and I think

1853
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: this is where you come in. Let's say he loses badly,

1854
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: but loses, dude, the amount of fucking salt that is

1855
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: going or not not even salt, the amount of vitriol

1856
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: and absolute dancing on his grave that is going to

1857
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: happen is gonna make it for an all timer in

1858
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: the world of MMA social media, whether it's Twitter, whether

1859
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: it's IG, you name it. They're going to rake him

1860
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: over the coals like no one's been raked before. So

1861
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: to which I say, BC, under these circumstances, I'm not

1862
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: saying it's like, you know, Connor McGregor in the three Arena,

1863
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: like we're here to take We're not here to take part,

1864
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: We're here to take over like this incredibly charismatic moment.

1865
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: It's not that, but it's a way in which to

1866
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: stand out and either up the ante as I mentioned about,

1867
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: like his identity and what he's attempting here and like

1868
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: the stakes and everything, or you get a chance to

1869
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: dunk on him, like shack on that white guy who

1870
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: he then put his junk in his face and then

1871
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: shoved him on the Jeff, I forget who it was

1872
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,839
Speaker 1: that Yeah, the knixt.

1873
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Player, you're the ball at him because he had to

1874
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: have Yeah.

1875
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of

1876
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: ways people win here, fair or unfair. What do you think?

1877
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: I get it. It will raise the entertainment quotion and

1878
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 2: all that, but it's it's lame as shit. It's a

1879
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: heel move. And he was looking like the ultimate babyface,

1880
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: the ultimate star, and this is dude, this is a

1881
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: heel move. It really is.

1882
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's like he tilts the who who tilts

1883
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 1: the fan base more than him with this kind of

1884
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: self promotion?

1885
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 2: Nobody right now outside of Poton because they don't really

1886
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 2: have that, those those uh disruptors, those tilters of the

1887
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: fan base. But if his next move is I have

1888
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: removed two of my ribs so I can filate myself

1889
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: in the cage, then I'll understand Luke.

1890
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, Marilyn Manson.

1891
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Bit, Yeah, what the hell are we doing here? This

1892
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: will lead me to cheer for Mahachev to not move

1893
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: up to the to welterweight and to take care of

1894
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: the business.

1895
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, but long, Luke, Long Island, Luke, you have to

1896
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: admit if he okay, so let's just let me positive scenario.

1897
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: We don't know what's gonna happen. But if he goes

1898
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: out there and ICE's Islam before that calls himself, Oh

1899
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: look at that face, motherfucker. You didn't predict either of

1900
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 1: the Vulk or the Max Holloway wins, It's time to

1901
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: get a little.

1902
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Bit of respect on his I thought he would beat Max.

1903
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 3: I just didn't think he would knock him out. Yeah,

1904
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 3: well me neither, but neither here nor there. If he

1905
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 3: does something like that, the payoff is going to be dramatic.

1906
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 3: Or if Islam goes in there and subs him or

1907
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: something with that famous short arm. Darse dude, can you

1908
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 3: imagine the memes that are gonna be produced from this?

1909
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Tell me how? Tell me how we lose? In either case? Here?

1910
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 7: I mean did, people are gonna make fun of him

1911
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 7: hard no matter what I put a pole in the chat.

1912
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 7: By the way, what should we call ilia Taporia? I

1913
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 7: put El Matador, la leenda, tuptoria and hand sanitizer boy,

1914
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:54,560
Speaker 7: And overwhelming forty three percent picked hand sanitizer for the majority.

1915
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 6: Of people already trolling him with this. By the way,

1916
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 6: lalenda the.

1917
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Least eight percent, So it's the it's the worst nickname,

1918
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 1: Like it's terrible. I don't know, dude. El Matador was

1919
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: fucking cool, you know what I mean?

1920
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 2: That's cool, dude.

1921
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean like when we remember the UFC did that

1922
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: bit where they had him in the bullfighting ring. I

1923
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: think they had him with the with the Legaspi, the

1924
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: Mexican ESPN reporter, and like, dude, they had the whole

1925
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: imagery around it. I was like, this is fucking this

1926
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: is sick, Like why would you pass on that? I

1927
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: don't get it.

1928
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Did you see where? He also came out publicly and

1929
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: said that he doesn't believe there will be a UFC

1930
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: Spain card until the end of the ESPN deal because uh,

1931
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: he's unwilling. He said he fought at early in the

1932
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: morning Leon Edwards time in Abu Dhabi once and he

1933
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 2: won't do it again and he's unwilling to fight at

1934
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 2: four or five am local Spain time, which ESPN would

1935
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: necessitate for it to be a prime time saper.

1936
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: So let me say this, We've never I did see that.

1937
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up. Let me just say this,

1938
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: And I think I speak for a lot of the fans.

1939
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't say that normally, but in this case, I

1940
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: do whatever they do in their next broadcast deal UFC,

1941
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,879
Speaker 1: whether they stay with ESPN, whether they go to Netflix,

1942
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: whatever they do, I wish and I hope that they

1943
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: have the freedom to put on fights in primetimes in

1944
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: the markets that they're going to. Now we know that

1945
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: we do that in Saudi Arabia, and we know they

1946
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: do that in Abu Dhabi, but Europe gets fucked on this,

1947
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: and I just think it'd be dude. I mean, let's

1948
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: think about this, like Connor's off in a different place

1949
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: in his career. We started the show talking about it,

1950
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: and he did get to fight in Ireland, but he

1951
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: never got to fight in Croke Park, and I do

1952
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: think that that was a miss by UFC. And you know,

1953
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to make all that work, and I understand

1954
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: it's not like the most important thing, but it would

1955
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: have been cool, and it definitely would be cool if

1956
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Duporti ends up winning and you know, continues his rise,

1957
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: like getting him at the Bernabeyu, which is like a

1958
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: really really important.

1959
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Or look aspinall and Wembley Stadium, Like this is the

1960
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: kind of shit we want and deserves.

1961
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. To give them the freedom to

1962
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: put those in primetime so you can make that a

1963
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 1: little bit easier. I really feel like, dude, the European market,

1964
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: we should just say, and we talked about it before,

1965
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: the European market is fucking hot. If PFL can go

1966
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: over there and sell fifteen thousand tickets, it's hot, bro,

1967
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: it's hot. Get those shows in primetime there so we

1968
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: can really do something about it.

1969
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm ready for the esp era to be over,

1970
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 2: and I do get we brought it up before that

1971
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: part of our issues with the UFC could have been

1972
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: fueled by ESPN wanting a card every weekend and really

1973
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: wanting in the terms of that deal to have so

1974
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 2: many dates, which is completely watered down the product. But

1975
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'm secretly hoping that UFC doesn't get the

1976
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 2: money they thought they were going to get from this

1977
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 2: new TV deal and has to go in and maybe

1978
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 2: have a little bit less amount of content and dates

1979
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: and the motivation to come out and really shine. I mean,

1980
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what that's going to look like. I

1981
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: think they'll get paid no matter what. We still think

1982
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 2: Netflix or Prime will be, you know, two of the

1983
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 2: big potential suitors here. But like, what this has become

1984
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: at the tail end of the ESPN era is not

1985
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 2: what we wanted or signed up for. Especially it's such

1986
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 2: a departure from where they were during in post COVID

1987
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 2: they were, you know, the heroes for being the only

1988
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: show in town. But like the momentum they were on

1989
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 2: fire Man and that's just not the case anymore.

1990
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I think you'd be exciting if

1991
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: they can just dude putting events in prime time in

1992
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: the markets that they're in. And also not for nothing.

1993
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: I like it when they go to Europe and they

1994
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: do a show at European time, because we get I

1995
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: don't have to go to bed at four in the morning,

1996
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then get up at eight and then

1997
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: take two gy to gymnastics, you know what I mean.

1998
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: Like it just makes my life a little bit easier too.

1999
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: It's a smaller note, but I'm just saying it. There's

2000
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: so many positives to just doing that. I really hope

2001
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: in the next deal they get the contractual freedom to

2002
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: try it.

2003
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 2: I also to close on Tiporia Toptaria, I really hope

2004
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: he fights again soon, right like we need him. He's

2005
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: a star. He's moved up to lightweight. So let's figure

2006
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 2: it out. Is it gonna be Mahchev for the title.

2007
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be Sar Rookie and or Doe Bronx.

2008
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: We got We've got audio to that. We've got audio

2009
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: to that.

2010
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 2: Oh we do. Let's let's let's do that.

2011
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 12: Let's done standing Forcalo, Islam and Mende averse he Lord

2012
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 12: frances Kasen, So.

2013
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 4: We have.

2014
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Damn bro This is what I mean. And I know

2015
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I know for our people listening on the audio podcast,

2016
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: if you don't speak Spanish, she didn't here. Basically, he says,

2017
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's looking to fight Charles or Charles Lavera

2018
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: or Islam Makachev, and that those guys are making excuses

2019
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: to not fight him, and he goes he understands because

2020
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: if they were him, if he were them, he'd be

2021
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: he'd be afraid to, and I was like, I can't wait.

2022
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 2: To see him fighting, Like if we're a monopoly and

2023
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 2: we can't make the fights, Like did you see that?

2024
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw that debate.

2025
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: I'll make a big fight for him. I mean, if

2026
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: all my complaints still, make a big fight for.

2027
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: Okay, But like you saw that debate When Terrence Crawford

2028
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,480
Speaker 2: was on the Henry Sejudo and Kamaro Usman.

2029
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Podcast, I forgot, but it's the whole thing.

2030
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 2: And basically they had an argument about fighter pay, and

2031
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford's like, man, you know, MMA just doesn't pay

2032
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 2: on the same levels across the board. And then you

2033
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 2: had you know, company men, so Hudo going, yeah, but

2034
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 2: what about the pride of never having to miss out

2035
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 2: on opponents, which I get on the surface is a

2036
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 2: decent point, especially since Crawford was on the wrong side

2037
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: of the street business wise and wasn't able to fight

2038
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 2: the top guys for a long time. But it's like,

2039
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the right excuse in this moment.

2040
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Guys forget how yeah, yeah, forget any other purse, like

2041
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: forget the Amir Khan purse, Forget the Madromov purse. Forget

2042
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: any of that, Just the Errol Spence perse was twenty

2043
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: five million, Like what the fuck are we even talking

2044
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: about here? Yeah, Like, what are we even talking about here?

2045
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: He could have fought for free in literally every other

2046
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: fight he's ever been in and still made more than

2047
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: probably Kamaru and Henry combined in their careers.

2048
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 2: And I don't want to turn on Bud, but there's

2049
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 2: another comment that came out of that sit down where

2050
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 2: he is like, yeah, right now, yeah, Erol Spence not

2051
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: even hall of famer. He never you know, he only

2052
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 2: did the business in one division. Blah blah blah. It's like, dude, Bud,

2053
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: I love you, but that's your best win and you're

2054
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 2: gonna try to say that he's not a Hall of

2055
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Famer when this guy unified three of the four titles

2056
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 2: in that star studed division, beat a great run of fighters.

2057
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: And then Bud's like, well, he beat killed Brook after

2058
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 2: he heard his eye against Triple G. It's like, Bud,

2059
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 2: you beat kill Brook after he heard both eyes. You

2060
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 2: were the one to fight like Jeff Horn and all

2061
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 2: these guys because of the business issues in this sport.

2062
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking Bud's resume, He's won titles in three divisions,

2063
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 2: he's undisputed and in two of them, or maybe no

2064
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: titles in four divisions now. And of course he's beaten

2065
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 2: some some a couple of really good name Sean Porter,

2066
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: obviously Spence, but dude, Eryl Spence. If he never fights again, dude,

2067
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,719
Speaker 2: his resume is immaculate, almost outside of the one huge

2068
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:46,799
Speaker 2: loss in the biggest part.

2069
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: Of his career. The loss to Bud hurts him, but

2070
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: everything else definitely lifts him. I was a little surprised

2071
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: to hear that too.

2072
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also didn't like Canelo in that fight

2073
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 2: hype interview set yesterday, saying basically, fuck Ben, David Ben

2074
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 2: is because he's not even a champion, and he's not

2075
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 2: even in my division. Why would I have to fight him?

2076
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: Dude? I mean what BC he's ducking. I mean, there's

2077
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: there's just there's nothing else. There's nothing.

2078
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 2: We can't get access to your belts because you're hijacking them.

2079
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 2: He left your division because you won't fight Come on,

2080
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: big man.

2081
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: You're killing me, man, And do I understand the Point's

2082
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: like I'm in the point of my career where I

2083
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,879
Speaker 1: can do whatever I want that's true, but the sanctioning

2084
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: bodieshould then take the belts from you.

2085
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, then go fight Williams Skull and Saudi. We don't care, dude,

2086
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: we don't care anymore. And I love Sewel, you know

2087
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,560
Speaker 2: I love Swel.

2088
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: But come on, like I said, dude, he after the

2089
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: win over Caleb Plant, if he had retired from there

2090
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: and even still today, of course, like nothing changes, but

2091
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: just that alone would be a Hall of fame resume.

2092
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: But since then it's not been the most fun.

2093
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we transition to our fan topics, we do

2094
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: have a piece of content to throw to that. I

2095
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 2: was very excited.

2096
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: I had a little of breaking news here if I may, Oh,

2097
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: let's pause that. What do you got for us? It's

2098
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: nothing big, but it's kind of sad if I may be.

2099
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: See guess who has a fight allegedly booked on the

2100
01:37:59,360 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: boxing side?

2101
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 2: Oh not BJ Penn. Oh yeah, Deontay Wilder, dude, I'm.

2102
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder is going to be fighting on Friday, June

2103
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 1: twenty seventh on BLK Prime at the Charles coch Arena

2104
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: in Wichita, Kansas against Terrell Herndon. I don't know who

2105
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: that is BC.

2106
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 2: Like journeyman heavyway low lolo low level journeyman heavy.

2107
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I gotta tell you, I have a lot of

2108
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: respect for Deontay Wilder. I don't I don't know about this.

2109
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean they're trying to start from the bottom. Again,

2110
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 2: you're not from the bottom, but trying to like start

2111
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 2: a new chapter.

2112
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: Right.

2113
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: He fought big competition in Big Bang Zang and Joseph

2114
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Parker and his comebacks for big money in Saudi. He

2115
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 2: clearly wasn't physically ready. He wasn't the same, I mean,

2116
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: more than likely. Unfortunately he's washed. I'm not against restarting

2117
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: a lower level of competition if you still feel like

2118
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 2: you can do it. But is this off the radar?

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01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: This is off the freaking reservation. Dude, Wichita Kansas on

2120
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 2: BLK Prime.

2121
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah. I again, it's a better opponent

2122
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: given where he's at.

2123
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: But remember Bud Crawford fought on b OK Prime when

2124
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: he initially didn't take the Spence fight, remember, Yeah, because

2125
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: they gave him so much money. Yeah, So transitioning here,

2126
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 2: let's let's we're gonna throw a really good piece of content,

2127
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Speaker 2: so you know what's going on in our friends on

2128
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,919
Speaker 2: All the Smoke Fight and the Art of Ward podcast,

2129
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 2: which of course is andre Ward the unbeaten Hall of

2130
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: Famer sitting down with one big name boxer after another. Luke,

2131
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: they got Joe Kalzagi, the former super middleweight and like

2132
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 2: from one of my five favorite fighters of all time,

2133
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 2: retired forty six and zero. But he's really not in

2134
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 2: the spotlight anymore. He doesn't do a ton of interviews.

2135
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: So andre Ward recently sat down with the Pride of Wales,

2136
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 2: the Boxing Hall of Famer Joe Kalzagi, to discuss life

2137
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 2: after boxing, Kelzagi's illustrious but often underrated career and much more.

2138
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 2: Check out the full Art of Ward interview with the

2139
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: undefeated legend on the All the Smoke Fight YouTube channel,

2140
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,799
Speaker 2: and we have a clip right now to with the palette.

2141
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 11: But I was in the position now where I wanted

2142
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 11: to fight against Hopkins. Hopkins was making the big, big

2143
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,799
Speaker 11: shout now, he was like coming off some great wins.

2144
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 11: He was a ring magazine champion, so that was a

2145
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 11: natural fight.

2146
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 2: But how hard was it to make that fight?

2147
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 11: Well, that's the thing I had, Yeah, how I was

2148
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:13,719
Speaker 11: at the fight and make that fight? I remember speaking

2149
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 11: the phone he was making he mentioned the fight called

2150
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 11: Clinton Woods.

2151
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect.

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Speaker 11: I love Clinton was but I'm like, I want to

2153
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 11: fight Hopkins he said. And he said to me, Hobbins

2154
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 11: is not going to come, kay. I said, it doesn't matter.

2155
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 11: I go to America. So what I did I bought

2156
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 11: my own ticket. Mean, this was a week after the

2157
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 11: Kestler fight. Ricky Hatton was boxing against Mayweather. So basically

2158
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 11: what I did I paid me off flight. We had

2159
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 11: cheap seats at the back, and I remember the main

2160
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 11: reason was to go over and for me personally bumping

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01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 11: out to Hopkins, you know. So that's what happened to

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01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 11: I remember speaking with HBO. I think it was Coco

2163
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 11: and she said yeah. He said, oh Coco lovely.

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01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Right, she says Hopkins in the press room and I

2165
01:40:59,240 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 11: So I said Andrew McConnelly was with me, and then

2167
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 11: I said, man, we went to the press room and

2168
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 11: the fight was made there. If I didn't go to stay,

2169
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 11: I fight not be made. So I skipped everything else

2170
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 11: the boat with the you know, the promotion. I went, mantum, man,

2171
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 11: you made that happen. He come over I went over.

2172
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 11: He made the comment never gonna get in that.

2173
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 10: He made the infamous comment I'll never Little White would

2174
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 10: be there when he said there.

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking? What can I say back? What

2176
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: can I say back? Bro? How did you feel? Though?

2177
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: I was a bit sort of taking the back shock,

2178
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: but also I went and like even dry or if

2179
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: you fight me, you would lose. If you fight, I

2180
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: don't like there's this I was.

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01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 11: I was pretty excited because I felt with that comment

2182
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 11: and I saw at the time, I remember ringing Frank

2183
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 11: warns that this.

2184
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Speaker 2: You're not taking it personally, You're thinking baked personal You

2185
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: got I got hot because attention. Now, look, I watched

2186
01:41:57,880 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 2: a lot of this so far. I can't wait to

2187
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 2: finish it. A lot of great tidbits from a really

2188
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 2: under exposed legend. Remember when he's known for like they

2189
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 2: call his power patty cake, right, you know, because he's

2190
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 2: quick hands. I didn't realize at the peak of his

2191
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: prime he had an elbow injury that was so bad

2192
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: he couldn't even extend his hands, so he had to

2193
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 2: alter his style to stay on top. And I don't

2194
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 2: think any of us will forget that. Two thousand and seven, Uh,

2195
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: super middleweight unification Cardiff Wales, Millennium Stadium, unbeaten Kalzagi against

2196
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 2: unbeaten Michel Kessler. That was a moment in time in boxing,

2197
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 2: in a great fight. Shout out to that.

2198
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: Legend, master technician, master boxer NBC. You're a masturbator, but

2199
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: all together it kind of works.

2200
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely one more boxing thing to throw out there.

2201
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 2: I just had published a nice, an interesting feature on

2202
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 2: CBS Sports. A lot of rumors out there that Jake

2203
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 2: Paul and the Kisabaderian and MVP are raising a ton

2204
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: of capital make a move to become a true power

2205
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: promoter in boxing, maybe even to the degree of taking

2206
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 2: on the TKO takeover. I didn't interview with Nikisa. A

2207
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 2: lot of interesting comments about that. Check that out right

2208
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 2: now on the boxing page at cbssports dot com. We

2209
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 2: now transition into our final segments, where we offer you

2210
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 2: an email address Morningcombat at gmail dot com and you

2211
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 2: return to us a piece of your own content. We

2212
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: start off with putting us on trial. We don't always

2213
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 2: get it right. Sometimes, in fact, we get it dead wrong.

2214
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 2: So now we're gonna stand up to you guys. You

2215
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 2: better have time. Stampson you better come original. Let's hear it.

2216
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 2: This is dead wrong.

2217
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 1: Then wrong?

2218
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Let's see if you continue to take

2219
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 2: l's from the pedantic.

2220
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Coordinated hate campaign, I'm going to call the Human Rights

2221
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 1: Watch on you fucking bozos out there.

2222
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,799
Speaker 2: Yev our arm Budsman's are here. He's Lewis from Oregon,

2223
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 2: and he says. On Friday Show, March twenty second, at

2224
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: one hour and forty four minutes, during the dead Wrong segment,

2225
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 2: Luke arrogantly declares he understands that John Jones was doing

2226
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 2: an anime reference when talking about Avatar the Last Airbender.

2227
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: Had Luke had any clue on what he was talking about,

2228
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 2: he'd know that Avatar the Last Airbender is not anime.

2229
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 2: The show was created in America by Nickelodeon Animation Studio anime.

2230
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: Is you hear this, fucking nerd anime.

2231
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 2: Is from Japan, you dummy? Yes, referencing Dana White's rant

2232
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 2: on Floyd Mayweather, your lack of knowledge of cartoons from

2233
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,599
Speaker 2: two thousand and five really reflects who you are as

2234
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 2: a person.

2235
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: Do better, Yes, two thousand and five, I was spending

2236
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 1: my time getting blown by the opposite sex, not watching cartoons.

2237
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, hey Louis, how many chigs you FuG? All right?

2238
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 10: Right?

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01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh Luke, this gits in bit. I mean, here's

2240
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: the deal. Here's the deal. Though, it's all cartoons, all right,

2241
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 2: all the anime.

2242
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. That's why my point is like it's

2243
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: all the same to me. I mean this a little bit, Dovisi,

2244
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: it's not, but like, yeah, I don't know enough about

2245
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: cartoons to a give a fuck and be making an

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01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 1: important differentiation there.

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01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one of our favorite listeners from Hawaii,

2248
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 2: Big Papa telvin Key Papa, you know right, he had

2249
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 2: me ask Brandon Moreno who his favorite Dragon ball Z

2250
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: character is. And I did it because I love the people.

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01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what Dragon ball Z is. Brandon Moreno

2252
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 2: thought I was sixty years old when I asked that.

2253
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be dragging my balls across your face here, That's.

2254
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about.

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, did you hear from DS I'm gonna

2256
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: be dragging my balls across did know?

2257
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 2: What's your name? Get you down? Who's that?

2258
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 5: I saw this nut?

2259
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: I saw this. I saw this Instagram bit where they

2260
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 1: were like this guy goes up to like a co

2261
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: worker and he's like, hey, uh uh, you know, do

2262
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: you like that band? Imagine dragons and they're like yeah.

2263
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: He goes, imagine dragging my balls across I'm forty five.

2264
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm forty five.

2265
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,719
Speaker 2: You are a year old and you probably have blown

2266
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 2: up the commode in your Iowa Hotel.

2267
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: Room only seven times. Yeah, all right.

2268
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 2: Our second one is from our second favorite Hawaiian listener,

2269
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Mahalo from Dad or sorry Aloha from Daz. He says,

2270
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 2: hey donks at one hour and forty three minutes of

2271
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 2: Monday's episode. On March twenty fourth, Luke, in discussing Gable

2272
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 2: Steveson's achievement, said quote he had won three national titles. LT.

2273
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 2: Maybe I misheard you, but Steveson has two national titles

2274
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two, he was

2275
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 2: attempting to obtain the third in the most recent match,

2276
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 2: and Dad says this, I apologize for my absence from

2277
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: the show, but you both have been doing a really

2278
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 2: good job regarding dead wrongs and BC. That bare knuckle

2279
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 2: fight with Telvin Ky Poppa outside the Lava Shack, which

2280
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 2: would be the first card under MK Promotions is never happening,

2281
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,560
Speaker 2: though I appreciate your attempts to make it happen. What

2282
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of whisses. Grateful for all the MK and

2283
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 2: Personal Channel content. I thot that went wrong.

2284
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: I guess there was a graphic I had seen that

2285
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I thought that he had three, and then the last

2286
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: one ended up being the silver or you know, yeah,

2287
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: second or whatever. But I got the wrong. I'll take

2288
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: I'll take that out. I'll take Look.

2289
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 2: Is that a perfectly fine request from Daz to say, Look,

2290
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 2: I don't need to bare knuckle fight outside the lava shack.

2291
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 2: We can all just be friendly here.

2292
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 1: No, you need to fight, motherfucker.

2293
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta fight. Keep popple. We gotta find out,

2294
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I'll get the governor. I'll get

2295
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 2: BJ if you really want me to, all right, I mean,

2296
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 2: I love of BJ. Look, finally, on dead wrong, we

2297
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 2: have a gentleman named owayne O w A I n

2298
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 2: owayne Hey, donks, it's that time of the week again.

2299
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 2: To correct one of BC's many.

2300
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: Errors, finally got a B one at one hour.

2301
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 2: Twenty eight minutes. BC claims that Gilbert Burns was quote

2302
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 2: piecing up JDM until Madelena finished him double Madelena will

2303
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 2: Gilbert looked good and was out wrestling Jack. It was

2304
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 2: actually JDM landing more significant strikes in the lead up

2305
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: to that finish, with Gilbert landing two point seven per

2306
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 2: minute and Jack three point nine per minute, respectively, prior

2307
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 2: to that third round. PS, send me some of what

2308
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 2: you've been smoking BC much love it's Owayne Luke. Do

2309
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 2: I take that out? What do you remember from that fight?

2310
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's I would say I generally

2311
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: agree that your assessment of what happened is a little

2312
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 1: bit off. I could kind of split the difference here

2313
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. You just don't have confidence in JDM

2314
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: from that win, and I do. I thought that was

2315
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good win, Okay.

2316
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: All right, I didn't think he was winning that whole fight.

2317
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 2: I thought he pulled it out late.

2318
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: I got he did pull it out late, but I mean,

2319
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 1: you know, he performed against a tough opponent quite ably.

2320
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 1: I think it is the way I'm trying to put it.

2321
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember that guy pulled it out late on that

2322
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,600
Speaker 2: zoom call and then how to apologize on.

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01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: The air after No it was what's his name, jeff

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01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: something cubin, Jeffrey Tubin. Yeah, yeah, the former than he

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01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: wrote for The New Yorker. I think, yeah, he's just

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Speaker 1: cranking it on fucking on Skype, you know.

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 2: All right, finally we offer you an opportunity to send

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Speaker 2: in your artwork, your memes, pictures of your significant other,

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01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 2: and tight MK t shirts. Just don't send Mikey any

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01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 2: pictures of your piece or we won't run it. It's

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01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 2: called fans emissions.

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Speaker 1: You've got mail feuers.

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01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 2: That's a fact, Gaffney. We have plenty of male viewers

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01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 2: coming in, and the first one is the best man

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01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 2: in our MK wedding. He's from Louisville. He can fix

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01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 2: your gutters if you ask kindly. His name is Saoul,

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01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 2: and he says I went to a block party and

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01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 2: got myself a seven dollars old fashion from the bar

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01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: Clayton and Kroom. The building the bar is in is

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01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 2: an old training location for Muhammad Ali. On the way home,

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01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 2: I saw an interesting intersection and I had to snap

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01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 2: a pick MK all day. Look does that say Campbell Street?

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01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: Yep, it sure does.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Saoul is repping us.

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01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 6: So wait, this one's hard to read, but it's Muhammad

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01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 6: Ali and Campbell cross sections.

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Speaker 2: Oh, two legends in the boxing game sick. Wow, Luke,

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01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 2: what do you have to say about Saloul's ability to

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01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 2: always look cool and always be repping MK?

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01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: He could use a shower?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's just great, That's.

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01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 1: Wonderful, all right, But I think his fandom is maybe

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01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: the best that we've got in the in the in

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01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 1: the MK, Donkeyer.

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Speaker 2: That's like, I'm starting to feel like if we had

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01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 2: to bury a body, no questions asked, Saloul would be.

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Speaker 1: There for us. Yeah, for sure, NBC, I know you

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01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: want to bang all of our listeners wives. He might

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01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 1: also be first up for that one too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I never said this out loud. I just want

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Speaker 2: you to say that, but you know, was I thinking

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Speaker 2: it that? No, not at all, not at all. Our

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01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 2: second one comes from at Matt is in the Zone

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01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 2: and he says for the MK content moderators. The context

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01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 2: is from Luke's recent live chat watch.

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Speaker 1: Along Randy Gatour H forty three, Vander Holyfield H forty six,

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01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: You Ol Romero H forty seven, Luke Thomas, there's a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, okay, granted, I'm not built like

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Speaker 1: those guys, but they're there's a padded stomach in the

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01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 1: actual that makes it worse. You fucks.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't this about you saying how awesome it was that

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01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 2: the late George Foreman won the heavyweight championship at forty five.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he wanted a forty five. And

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Speaker 1: I can tell you forty five is not an age

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Speaker 1: of you know, athletic achievement for most of us, you

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01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Unless you're taking the twenty thirteen TRT that v Towar did.

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Speaker 1: Then you know that's a different ball game. I mean

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01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 1: you're playing a different You're playing with a different decca,

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01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 1: our house, or to say, a different hand of cards.

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01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 2: At that point, you like a different deca.

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01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 1: I heard you say that, you different wind scrawl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, send me some Stanazol on that ass. Thank you.

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01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Matt is in the zone. Our final fan sub comes

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01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 2: from Dave s. He says, attached are some fan subs

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01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 2: the guys might appreciate if they can't be shown, though

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01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 2: that's understandable and maybe nine to eleven is off limits.

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Speaker 1: He says.

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Speaker 2: The Dave's burial service is me showing off my well

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01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 2: worn MK jacket that needs a replacement. Let's see it

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01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 2: for us need to bury a body called Dave Sandin.

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Speaker 1: That's my probably true, Yeah, that's probably true. I would

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01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 1: probably agree with that.

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01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you do. I guess we can

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01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 2: call uh Saouola and Sandin. I thought Sandin was more.

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Speaker 2: If we wanted to get deeper into the sex trade, we.

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Speaker 1: Should have those two fight to the death and then

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Speaker 1: the winner has to bury the loser.

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Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, that's fantastic K promotions. Uh and I'm

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01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,639
Speaker 2: gonna guess that his nine to eleven content was off limits.

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Speaker 6: Nine to eleven was, But we do have one more

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Speaker 6: from him.

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01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 2: Oh, we have one more from Daves. Let's see it.

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01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: If there is one constant in this universe, death taxes

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01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 1: and UFC not wanting to be levered, it's not magic, bro,

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01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm a genius. I'm some combat sports savant. I'm just

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01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: a guy who spent a lot of my free time

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01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 1: and professional time trying to understand the world around him.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it.

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01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: I guess he's trying to argue that like it's the

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01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 1: it's the it's the old adage, like death taxes and

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01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 1: blah blah, blah, but that's three things. But like it's

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01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,759
Speaker 1: kind of like the expression that like, these are the constants.

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01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,480
Speaker 1: But when I say one constant, I meant the one expression.

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01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 1: But fair enough, you know, it's more of a dead

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01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 1: wrong than it is anything else. But uh, I'll take

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01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: that l and it's all right than fifty fifty on

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01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: the joke.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if only we could have shown San Dene's

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01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 2: nine eleven to one, Wow, that would have been the

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Speaker 2: end of our lives. But that was great stuff, dude.

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01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 1: The nine to eleven one is I was in tears.

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01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: I was in tears laughing so hard. But yikes, I

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01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: also enjoy you know, paying my bills. So there it is.

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Speaker 2: There it is. That is our fan segments for the

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Speaker 2: week of reminder Morningcombat at gmail dot com. You can

2429
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 2: send in dead wrongs fans, so you can just email

2430
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 2: the show, but please no private parts. Thank you very much.

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01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 2: Tell Mikey we said hi, all right. I mean Mikey's

2432
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 2: doing the lord's work right, gatekeeping for.

2433
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: Us, trying to keep us, trying to protect trying to

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01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: protect the brand. You know what I mean, protect the brand.

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01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: There it is.

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01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:56,600
Speaker 2: We have had a fantastic show. Luke Thomas, and I

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01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 2: really want to wish you well. Is it xFC the

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01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:00,879
Speaker 2: name of the promotion.

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01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: XFC fifty two again be in Sport. Now, there's some

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01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 1: other ways to win or watch women. That's some of

2441
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: the ways to watch, depending on where you're at. But

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01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: I think the xFC website will have an answer to that.

2443
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: But the big one is be in Sport that they

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01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 1: just signed a deal for it. So check us out.

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01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 2: xFC fifty two. Check it out tonight. Luke Thomas back

2446
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 2: in the booth where he belongs. Shout out to the

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01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 2: great Big Ee of WWE fame as well.

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01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: It thanks to Biggie Big.

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01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 2: Thanks Yep, Long Island, Luke. Can we hear from you

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01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 2: one more time? Sir, Hey, I hope you have a

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01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 2: nice weekend. Yeah.

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01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 7: Thanks, I hope you guys see too. Luke, good luck

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01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 7: on the commentary this week. Guys join me full card Saturday,

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01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 7: a USC, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, no it brother, We'll see you Monday too.

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01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 2: We will be back in the studio Monday, eleven am

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01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 2: Eastern where we will belong at Metal Lark for Luke

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01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 2: and Luke, I'm your boy, BC. Take care of yourself,

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 2: enjoy the fights. This weekend. Stay hard, stay hungry,