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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. Jimmy Kimmel in a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: fired up for this. I've known Jimmy for a long

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Speaker 1: time now. I don't normally talk horse racing except when

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Speaker 1: there's a scandal making front page news. So this morning

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Speaker 1: I'm talking horse racing. Bob Baffert banned from Churchill Downs.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know Bob Baffert, he's the silver haired

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Speaker 1: trainer you see a horse races who's somehow more well

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Speaker 1: groomed than the horses themselves. His horse, Kentucky Derby winner

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Speaker 1: Madinah Spirit, tested positive for a stair roid, which is

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Speaker 1: used to treat inflammation. Now. Bafford says he was shocked

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Speaker 1: by the result, even though he had recently been suspended

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Speaker 1: by the Arkansas Racing Commission after two of his horses

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Speaker 1: tested You guessed it positive. It seems like if there's

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Speaker 1: anything Bob Baffert should be testing positive for its amnesia.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to point fingers here, but there

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Speaker 1: have been only two horses to win the Triple Crown

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Speaker 1: in the last forty three years, American Pharaoh and Justify.

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Speaker 1: What do you know? Both trained by Bob Baffort. There

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Speaker 1: also was never a trainer who won seven Kentucky Derby's

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Speaker 1: until Bob Baffert did it last week, shocking coincidence. I

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Speaker 1: don't like to single out people. I'm well aware that

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Speaker 1: Baffert's not the only trainer spiking the horse feed. Trainers

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Speaker 1: have been known to give horses all sorts of weird

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Speaker 1: shit chemicals that fatten pigs, Viagra, cobra venom. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're giving a horse cobra venom, actually that's kind

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Speaker 1: of cool. I'd like to try that anyway. And as

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Speaker 1: Bob Baffert says, he's being singled out, no, he singled

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Speaker 1: himself out, just like Lance Armstrong, the Houston Astros, the

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Speaker 1: steroid era sluggers, and a whole lot of Olympians. All

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Speaker 1: of these suspected and non suspected cheaters brought the attention

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Speaker 1: on themselves, and they all have one thing in common.

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Speaker 1: Their biggest accomplishment in their sport maybe that they chipped

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Speaker 1: away at its integrity. Actually it's bigger than that. When

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Speaker 1: we can't trust what we see, it undermines everything around us.

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Speaker 1: We become jaded and distrustful. And when that happens, it

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Speaker 1: allows people to take advantage of that mistrust. They start

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Speaker 1: acting like everyone and everything is corrupt. They make you

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Speaker 1: think everyone and everything's a con The media can't be trusted.

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Speaker 1: The election was stolen. That photograph of me doing drugs

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Speaker 1: with a porn star was photoshopped. My phone was hacked.

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Speaker 1: It's all a conspiracy. We're at the point right now

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Speaker 1: where people's trust in their leaders, their government, and the

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Speaker 1: media seems to be at all time lows. And there's

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Speaker 1: a reason they've earned it, all right. He's been doing

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Speaker 1: late night television for a long time. He actually started

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Speaker 1: in sports radio. Funny guy. We've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: connections through the years, run into each other. We also

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Speaker 1: know a lot of the same people. Let's bring on

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel. Let's just start with this. So, okay, cousin

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Speaker 1: sal So he's now he's now a very respected, noteworthy

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Speaker 1: gaming voice. When you guys were like, fourteen, Did you

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Speaker 1: ever think he's going to matter in the gaming industry

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Speaker 1: in America? We didn't even know there was a gaming

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Speaker 1: in like junior high school. He was really his gambling career.

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Speaker 1: Started flipping baseball cards. Most kids will flip baseball cards,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, all right, yeah. He would not

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Speaker 1: stop flipping baseball cards. You remember that flipping baseball cards?

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Speaker 1: Would you do? Yeah? But no, I'm from rural America.

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Speaker 1: Who would I flip them too? Like you guys, did

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Speaker 1: We'd play stratamatic baseball. You know. He was just always

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Speaker 1: really interested in numbers. He would like when he come

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Speaker 1: In fact, they lost his luggage and the people at

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Speaker 1: you write your shit, you get one chance to perform it,

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Speaker 1: I look at him, I think, shit, Jimmy, he may

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Speaker 1: about it. It's I mean, it's funny that more emphasis

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Speaker 1: comedy as far as comedians go, Now, I make no mistake,

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Speaker 1: It is not off the cuff, there's nothing rough about it,

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Speaker 1: When you where were the first time, Jimmy, you were

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Speaker 1: get anywhere even listen to me. When did you find

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Speaker 1: your voice? Though, like your comedic tone, it wasn't your

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Speaker 1: first day on the air. There was there a zen

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Speaker 1: moment for you, and you thought driving home, thinking, you

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Speaker 1: know what, man, this is what I am and I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of it and I'm good at it. It was

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Speaker 1: just very gradual. Really it wasn't. And it's always changing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when I started, it was all I mean,

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Speaker 1: I throw bombs, you know. I did The Man Show,

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Speaker 1: and I did, you know, as a sports guy, and

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Speaker 1: you know I said crazy stuff a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: and I was looking for an explosion, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't the main guy. When you are the main guy,

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Speaker 1: you can't really do that, you know, if I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm dating myself too much. But like if Jim Ignatowski

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Speaker 1: a popular show. Maybe I can come up with a

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Speaker 1: more current reference. No I can't, But you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like you have to when you play

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Speaker 1: the role of the main guy, you have to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more even keeled. We both know Bill Simmons, well,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm better than I do. He used to

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Speaker 1: write for your show. He said he left it on

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Speaker 1: his terms, be honest. It was one of those listen,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna fire. You want to say that, so you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'll tell you what really happened. It was

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Speaker 1: an interesting situation because Bill was I read his writing

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Speaker 1: and I was a fan of his and I read

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Speaker 1: him for probably a year, never discussed it with anyone,

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Speaker 1: and then I sent him an email because he wrote

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Speaker 1: oh wow, he wrote about me. And I sent him

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Speaker 1: an email and said, hey, I've been reading your stuff

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Speaker 1: And we exchange emails, and then, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: a year and a half later, I got the show,

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Speaker 1: and I really felt like Bill's approach to sports writing

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Speaker 1: was what I wanted to do on my show, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether you know. It's kind of a pop culture mix

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Speaker 1: of news and sports and all the things that I

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Speaker 1: was interested in, and so I hired him. I actually

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Speaker 1: flew him and his wife out and I picked him

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Speaker 1: up at the airport in my old crappy jeep wagon

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Speaker 1: ear and they were impressed. By my me pretending to

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Speaker 1: be down to earth in my wagon ear. And so

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Speaker 1: they made a good impression on them and hired Bill. Now,

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Speaker 1: Bill hadn't been making much money in Boston, and then

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Speaker 1: he comes out to work for me at ABC and

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Speaker 1: he's made a pretty good living. But ESPN, now he's

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Speaker 1: working part time for them, starts to say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: want more of you. And I got in a situation

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Speaker 1: where I was almost in a bidding war against ESPN.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Bill didn't play it like that. Finally they

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Speaker 1: got to the point ESPN where they were like, they

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Speaker 1: made it a dumb decision for Bill not to leave,

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Speaker 1: but they basically bought him, bought him from me. You know,

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Speaker 1: they paid him so much money that he couldn't stay.

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Speaker 1: How do you ensure your writers are happy? Awards mean

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Speaker 1: a lot to them, not saying they don't for Jimmy Kimmel,

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Speaker 1: but you are luxuriously paid and you are the face

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Speaker 1: of the franchise. How do you make sure writers feel appreciated?

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Speaker 1: I think it's really simple, as if something is funny,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that they did is funny and believing I could

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Speaker 1: do a much better job of that. But because this

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Speaker 1: is a like a shark. It's always moving forward. But

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Speaker 1: they know when I like, you know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if they get a big laugh, that's really

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Speaker 1: your reward as a writer, besides getting paid, but just

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Speaker 1: getting a big laugh is a great reward. Okay, naive question,

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Speaker 1: really dorky, Only a couple more left. I always thought

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Speaker 1: if I did this show, I wouldn't want to show

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Speaker 1: a preference, so I would want all the jokes to

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Speaker 1: be sent to me anonymously. So because because if I

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Speaker 1: thought somebody was funny, I would start leaning into him, thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: Bob or Jane gives me the best jokes. How do

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Speaker 1: you not like start going to somebody over and over again?

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Speaker 1: Because you go out one night and Jane has two

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Speaker 1: jokes and they both kill. The next day, you're gonna think,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to Jane Jane jokes kill She's got

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Speaker 1: you know, well, my daughter's name is Jane, and you're right,

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Speaker 1: the Jane jokes do kill. She drew a picture of

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Speaker 1: her brother's penis yesterday. That is going, yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: going to be cherished for many, many generations of Kimmel's.

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Speaker 1: But I actually goes the other way. I sometimes feel

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Speaker 1: like if somebody isn't getting jokes on, I'll look at

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Speaker 1: their jokes a little bit harder than I would somebody

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Speaker 1: who's getting a lot of jokes on. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you can sometimes breeze by stuff that's good and miss it.

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Speaker 1: So I think that I go the other way. I

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Speaker 1: also have developed this weird I could tell you with

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Speaker 1: probably eighty five percent accuracy, which of my writers wrote

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Speaker 1: which joke because I know their styles. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: handwriting to me. Now. I know the subjects. I know

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Speaker 1: they're like kind of go to keywords. I know they're

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Speaker 1: areas of interest, and I really could tell you with

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Speaker 1: stunning accuracy who wrote what. You're one of the good

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Speaker 1: guys in the business. It's funny. I'm a sports guy

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Speaker 1: who wanted to be Johnny Carson, but knew I wasn't

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Speaker 1: funny enough. You are a funny guy. Let me guess

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Speaker 1: you looked at Bob Costas, but you knew you couldn't

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Speaker 1: do baseball good enough. How did it work for you?

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Speaker 1: Who were your influences? Um? I loved Bob Costas when

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Speaker 1: I was a cash Costas. I did an hour with

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Speaker 1: him a week two weeks ago. It was as much fun.

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Speaker 1: I love Bob. I had dinner with Al Michaels and

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Speaker 1: Bob Costas one night and it was just the best.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were They have just stories and stories

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Speaker 1: and stories, and I love baseball and I love here

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Speaker 1: and that stuff. Bob. Also, I remember when I really

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Speaker 1: became enamored with Bob Costas was when he was on

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Speaker 1: Letterman doing play by play for the elevator races they had,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, that guy's funny. And the other

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Speaker 1: guy was Vince McMahon. So Bob was on one end

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Speaker 1: and Vince McMahon was on the other end, and Letterman

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Speaker 1: relentlessly goofed on Vince, and Bob was just so straight

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Speaker 1: and he didn't he didn't try to get the laughs.

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Speaker 1: They just came to him because he got it. He

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Speaker 1: knew what his role was there. And I think his interviews,

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best. When he did

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Speaker 1: that show on NBC, he's one of the best. The

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Speaker 1: the extent of his knowledge is dazzling to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did an interview with UM it was like a

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Speaker 1: four partner with Don Rickles. I've told Bob this, it's

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Speaker 1: the best thing he's ever done. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. I don't care about baseball. I don't care

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Speaker 1: about the NBA finals. I've told him Richard Lewis is

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Speaker 1: hard to interview. He is, you know, it's funny. He

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Speaker 1: mentioned Richard Lewis. I remember Richard Lewis being so hilariously

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Speaker 1: angry because they had to scrap an episode he did

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Speaker 1: with Bob because Bob was laughing too much. And he

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Speaker 1: came out and Lewis came on the next interview and said,

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Speaker 1: so I was simply too funny as a comedian. That

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Speaker 1: is a nightmare. I mean, really like, that is a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: I just did like something with this website and I

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Speaker 1: was goofing on the guy while he was trying to

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Speaker 1: read the intro and it was funny, and they and

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Speaker 1: they're like, okay, let's try that again. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was were supposed to be having fun

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Speaker 1: I hate when producers are because start, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to produce, not the opposite. I hate when they

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Speaker 1: get in the way of what's funny just because it's clunky.

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Speaker 1: It could still be funny if it's clunky. Did you

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Speaker 1: see when Norm McDonald had David Spade in his show,

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Speaker 1: and Spade crushed for twelve minutes and he goes, we

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Speaker 1: haven't been taping this, and of course they had. Spade.

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Speaker 1: Spade was apoplectic. He just, what's the point. I can't

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Speaker 1: duplicate it. Hey, listen, you're one of the You're one

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Speaker 1: of the all time great guys. Same with you, Colin.

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Speaker 1: I listened to you, and I think you are great.

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Speaker 1: And congratulations on your new thing, and I hope it

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Speaker 1: goes fantastically well. Good luck to you and your fan buddy,

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Speaker 1: you too. Take care, all right. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes of Jimmy Kimmel. I did. Funny guy, good dude.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have a big, big week coming up.

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Speaker 1: Dabbo Sweeney is stopping by NFL is releasing its schedule

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. A couple of surprise guests. Follow us at

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Speaker 1: The Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram, Rate review and subscribe.

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