WEBVTT - Trump Using Force To Take Over American Cities | A Conversation with Ryan Lizza

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<v Speaker 1>What happened over the weekend is that a Trump appointed

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<v Speaker 1>judge and it's kind of interesting what happened here. Steve Is,

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<v Speaker 1>the original judge in this case, was considered a liberal,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Justice Department went in and asked him to

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<v Speaker 1>recuse himself because his wife is involved in some activism

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<v Speaker 1>around some of the issues in the case, and he

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't have to, but he did recuse himself. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the case ended up in the hands of Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Immergut I hope I'm pronouncing her name wrong, a Trump

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<v Speaker 1>appointee from the first term, and the case was the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Oregon suing the Trump administration and saying you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot take over our National Guard and send them to Portland. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people thought originally that Immergut was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a friendly judge to the Trump administration. She wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote one of the most courageous decisions of the

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<v Speaker 1>entire year. If people have not read it, you should

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<v Speaker 1>go and read it. It's it's a thirty one page decision,

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<v Speaker 1>a true active bravery to stand up to this administration.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of judges wouldn't have done this, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>deference that judges generally give the commander in chief and

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<v Speaker 1>specifically in a situation like this for people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the full story. Once she told the administration it

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<v Speaker 1>was illegal for them to take over the Oregon National

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<v Speaker 1>Guard and send them into Portland, Trump immediately commandeered troops

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<v Speaker 1>from California, which National Court troops he had already federalized

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<v Speaker 1>within hours of this ruling, and had them on their

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<v Speaker 1>way to Portland. Naturally, state of California wasn't happy about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom joined the Oregon lawsuit and said asked the

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<v Speaker 1>same judge to extend her temporary restraining order to the

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<v Speaker 1>California troops as well. There was an emergency meeting last

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<v Speaker 1>night about this issue, and the judge immediately released a

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<v Speaker 1>new restraining order, which might be worth just reading because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, it's like having a child who

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<v Speaker 1>finds a loophole, so you got to like strengthen you

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<v Speaker 1>know the rules, the rules at home and defendants, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Trump and Pete Hegseth are enjoined from deploying federalized

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<v Speaker 1>members of the National Guard in Oregon, and it applies

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<v Speaker 1>to any members of the National Guard, any federalized members.

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<v Speaker 1>So originally this was just about Oregon. Now she's saying everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened after that? And this is where it gets bad, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where this is something that you've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about for a while. The governor of Texas, Governor Abbott,

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<v Speaker 1>basically lent Trump few hundred troops to let him do

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<v Speaker 1>with them as he pleases. I have to say, if

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<v Speaker 1>this were happening in a foreign country, if they're happening

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia, like twenty years ago, when and Putin was

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<v Speaker 1>like sending troops to one of the you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the far off territories in the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>the governor there was saying, no, you can't have them,

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<v Speaker 1>and Putin kept trying to figure out ways to send

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<v Speaker 1>troops into this territory. We would be describing this as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a country falling, falling apart, coming apart. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing, just to catch people up, Illinois now

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<v Speaker 1>has sued President Trump over his effort to deploy National

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<v Speaker 1>National Guard troops in Chicago. So we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>if this that that case is going to be very

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<v Speaker 1>important and we'll see if the judge there does with

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<v Speaker 1>this Trump ap pointed judge in Oregon did so that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the latest. Where does it go from here, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you have two fights playing out and they are

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<v Speaker 2>happening in two different theaters fundamentally, so let's separate those.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one's in Washington, DC, and that's around the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government shutdown, and that's playing out between the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>leadership and the Trump White House. And then there is

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<v Speaker 2>the use of the army, and that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you federalize the National Guard, it's no longer the

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<v Speaker 2>California National Guard, it's the US Army by the time

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<v Speaker 2>it gets to by the time it gets to Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have what is a fight playing out now

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<v Speaker 2>between the Democratic governors and the administration. So let's take

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<v Speaker 2>these two things separately. They're connected, but separate with regard

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<v Speaker 2>to what comes next. The Democrats, of course, are correct

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<v Speaker 2>about how terrible it will be for the loss of

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<v Speaker 2>these healthcare subsidies. However, it's the wrong hill to fight

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<v Speaker 2>on and or to die on. And that's an important

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<v Speaker 2>concept because it's a die on the hill you choose

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<v Speaker 2>to fight on type of fight where you can't give

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<v Speaker 2>in and in the end, the people who are affected

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<v Speaker 2>by what Trump wants to do overwhelmingly are the Trump voters,

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<v Speaker 2>and elections have consequences. So Chuck Schumer has architected a

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<v Speaker 2>political strategy that is, in essence, a bailout of the

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<v Speaker 2>red states that provision the aggression against the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. It's an untenable political position for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different reasons. And if we're teaching a class about

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<v Speaker 2>this twenty years from now and we're trying to describe

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<v Speaker 2>what it was like, I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be saying that in twenty twenty five in the fall,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a great healthcare crisis, there's a great crisis

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<v Speaker 2>in the American state, and questions around American liberty. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what the Democrats in Washington have to demand in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation that has changed since the shutdown began, including

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<v Speaker 2>events that a are Stephen Miller's announcements of his hates and

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<v Speaker 2>the use of force, and the justifications the escalations in

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago and Oregon, that the Democratic position in Washington simply be,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the votes and we demand these things stop.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, two and so the Democratic position here as

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<v Speaker 2>this shutdown goes on, has to harden. It has to evolve,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has to meet the moment where the moment

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be met, and it's around the demands that

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<v Speaker 2>these unconstitutional outrages and obscenities cease. And that's on the

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<v Speaker 2>federal side. There's a different equation on the governor side.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that I've thought a lot about America

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<v Speaker 2>while watching, as I mentioned earlier, a lot of Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Jays games this year in Toronto over the summer, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great team team. The Democratic governors need to

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<v Speaker 2>be a team and they need to put any rivalries

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<v Speaker 2>aside for the twenty twenty eight presidential season and operate

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<v Speaker 2>as such. And there are a couple of states that

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<v Speaker 2>are of outsized importance here. Those are California, and those

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<v Speaker 2>are New work in Illinois and New Jersey. But the

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<v Speaker 2>big calif but the big Democratic mega states Oregon and Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and the governors of those states must meet. The Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>governors must meet, the Democratic legislative leaders of those states

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<v Speaker 2>must meet, and they must appreciate that they have to

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<v Speaker 2>adopt the philosophy, not policies, and the philosophy is that

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<v Speaker 2>the maximum of abuse of power by the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>and the Trump regime demands the maximum legal use of

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<v Speaker 2>legal power, and so those states have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>enter into binding compacts with one another on everything from

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<v Speaker 2>banking to one hundred other issues that can thwart the

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<v Speaker 2>federal abuses of power and protect a maximum number of

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<v Speaker 2>citizens and derail the autocratic takeover and agenda. There is

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous power in the teachers funds, pension funds in California,

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<v Speaker 2>the state employee retirement funds, the same in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why this governor's raise in New Jersey is

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<v Speaker 2>so important. But the blue state governors have to get

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<v Speaker 2>in a room, and the legislators in Illinois and in

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<v Speaker 2>California need to investigate the abuses. What happened at that

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<v Speaker 2>apartment complex can be investigated through the power of investigative

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<v Speaker 2>committees of the Illinois legislature and JB. Prinsker should call

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<v Speaker 2>the Illinois Legislature into emergency special session. All of the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic states should call their legislatures in to a special

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<v Speaker 2>session to deal with the exigence circumstances at hand. Every

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<v Speaker 2>opposition entity, group organization in the country needs to stand

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<v Speaker 2>ready as soon millions of people will be on the

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<v Speaker 2>streets and common cause for the No Kings protests that

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<v Speaker 2>are taking place very very soon. And as Lincoln said,

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<v Speaker 2>with public opinion, anything is possible. Without it, nothing is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we must poison the waters of public opinion to

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<v Speaker 2>rally the American people against these obscenities, this arrogance, these preening,

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<v Speaker 2>lying federal officials, who dare to point guns at us

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<v Speaker 2>and abuse us when these people work for us? How

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<v Speaker 2>dare they?

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