1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness loves cult day last 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Culturas calling a day. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: Of days, a day of days, a day that feels 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: right in the heart, the soul, the mind, the body. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 3: You know what I was thinking this morning, I was like, 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: this is someone we've actually wanted on this podcast since 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: since we get starting. And by the way, we should 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: say shout out to anyone who voted for us for 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: Podcasts over the Year, which we won. 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: For a second time. 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: Yes, and it's nine years in and I'm just thinking about, like, 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: I know, our guest is here today and someone we've 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: looked up to since, but even before we started the 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: podcast and all these years later, it feels like a 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: wonderful little moment. So thank you all for that, and 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: also just to have our guests in this like star 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: ascending moment. 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: It's just like it's feeling. 20 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: I'm a little emotion, I'm a little emos This is 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: someone who had wonderful Vulture piece on our guest, and 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: it just made me realize what we've known along, which is, oh, 23 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: this is someone who both is someone in place, people 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: that you just root for. 25 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: We just love you so I know, and it is 26 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: like a decade in the making. 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: It's seriously and like and so basically we're about to 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: bring our guests in. But just know, like I mean, 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: obviously the White Lotus insecure. 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: How did I alone? I mean, there's so much to 31 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: talk about. 32 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: But for me, I was literally when we finally met 33 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: our I finally like really in person met our guest, 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: which feels crazy, like the other night after the Oscars, 35 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, you to me will 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: always be that flight attendant you see me base basement. 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: If you know, you know on mod night, not even UCB, 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: this is a UCB pitizen, this is a story bar. 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: Were three three pitizens in the room, in the room, 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: my god, I'll. 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Wait, we got a bringer. Let's go. Let's go. Everyone. 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to your ears. 43 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: Natasha, thank you for having me, making me. 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: A most it's emost moments. 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 3: But that's like so special, you know what I mean, 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: to just have those people that are from way back 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: that you knew were special then pop off like and 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: that happens all the time now if. 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: I feel that about you too, are you kidding me? 50 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 5: I think game recognized game and like even like on 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 5: our come up watching the two of you work like 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 5: it's just you know, you know, but you. 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Know that I was going through the whole process of 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: screen testing for SNL then being offered to write, and 55 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: I remember reaching out to you and being like, what. 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Do you think I should do? 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: Because I just respected you to the fucking mountains and 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: at that point you were already insecure, like yeah, Kelly 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: was already like the one, and I was just like, Na, 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: Tasha had such a unique Everyone has a unique journey, 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: and you had a very unique journey, and I was 62 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: just like I need to know because at that point, 63 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, like you could count I'm like 64 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: one or two hands the number of writers of color, 65 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: let's say, not to put it on those those lines, 66 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: but like it was like a meaningful thing to reach 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: out to you peace. 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember when you did, and I remember saying 69 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 5: that like it was hard for me, but like the 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: juice was worth the squeeze, right, because it's just like 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 5: going through that, you know, iron sharpens iron, you become 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 5: better at what you do. And it wasn't perfect. And 73 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: I have notes, yes, yes we all do, but I 74 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: think ultimately it was the stamp in my passport you know, 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: professionally that I needed to open some doors that I 76 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 5: think I would have eventually opened, but maybe take a 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 5: little longer to do. 78 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: So, yeah, totally. 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: I mean does being back in New York make you 80 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: reflect on this obviously, right? 81 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: Yes? 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like like from the pit days to 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: the UCB days to the s and L. 84 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,279 Speaker 1: Like on every level, on every level. 85 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 5: Like you know, like in a car where he says, like, 86 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 5: you know, things in this mirror are closer than they appear. 87 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 5: Like for me, that's like literally being so broke that 88 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: I was like picking up Metro cards off of the 89 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 5: ground at the train stations on my way home to 90 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 5: check them the next morning, and so like having calling 91 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 5: my mom in fucking South Jersey to order me pizza 92 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: in Brooklyn from Jersey. 93 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: Because I didn't have anything in the bank. 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: And it's just pizza. 95 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: Pizza, a better pizza than a lot of New York pizza. 96 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: When you're outside of the city, they take their time 97 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 3: on the pizza. 98 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: That's actually a real culture number four six, when they're 99 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: outside of the city by the time on the pizza. 100 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 4: That's true. 101 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 5: But no, I'm full of gratitude and even just writing 102 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 5: here today so much of my experience in New York 103 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 5: was based on where I was my. 104 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: Social socioeconomic level. 105 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 5: And I feel like for every different stratosphere there's a 106 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: different version of the city. The version of the city 107 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 5: that I'm getting to know now is it's different than 108 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 5: the one that I knew. But I missed the one 109 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 5: that that I used to know, you know what I mean. 110 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: I missed that kind of like hustle and that grind 111 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: I was. 112 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 5: I was never more poor than I was when I 113 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: was grinding in comedy, but I was so. 114 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: Happy, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like the early 115 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: mornings for like a story pirate show like mad An 116 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: call Time, the like I didn't tech for. 117 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 4: Your mod show at like three am, you know. 118 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: And paying for it talk about notes. This again is 119 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: the old uc. 120 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: But no, but I mean, like it's really something like 121 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: when I remember I had taken like a long time 122 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: away from New York, probably because of the pandemic obviously, 123 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: and then I got back and my immediate instinct it 124 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: was raining a little bit. I was like, I'm still 125 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: gonna take a WHI and I did have like a 126 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: I don't know why, I am frightened moment looking around 127 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: sort of really getting tearful because we did like this 128 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: is this is really where we grew up. 129 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 130 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 5: When people ask me, because I'm an Air Force bread 131 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 5: and I grew up all over, I was just like, 132 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 5: but I became an adult in New York, Like I 133 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 5: found out my voice and you know in New York, 134 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: I like made mistakes in New York. 135 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: Like New York truly raised me. 136 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 5: And so even though I didn't live here super long, 137 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 5: it's only eight years, but even just driving here, I 138 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 5: was just. 139 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: Like looking at cars, like I remember crying on that corner. 140 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 5: I remember remember that bagel shop that atm lets you 141 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 5: take it out. 142 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: You can get a five out. 143 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, tell us about that about dollars? Yeah, 144 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: found one. 145 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 5: So it's like all of those things and you're just like, oh, 146 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 5: I'm so grateful to have had that. And it feels 147 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 5: like a collective experience, you know, like no one quite 148 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 5: knows what we went through. And the improv industrial complex 149 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 5: is like that that like the pipeline from improv to TV, 150 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: like it's not what it used to be, you know, 151 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 5: like they don't have it like we did. 152 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: Like there was a time of being in New York 153 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: or la doing comedy in the way that we did, 154 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: where it felt like so cool anytime, and it felt 155 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: kind of frequent, I'll say, is the word, but like 156 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: it felt like there was a regularity and like, oh, 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: this person got raptured up into the show. 158 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And now I feel like I feel like. 159 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm not like my ears into the ground maybe, but 160 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know like of that 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: same sort of like machinery that's happening. 162 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't either. 163 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 5: But the scuttle butt is that it's maybe not the 164 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: same as it used to be. And I think that 165 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: like the the beauty of what was it was, you know, 166 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 5: like if you liken you know, UCB to like Catholicism 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 5: and then to like, you know, I felt like we 168 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: were all worshiping the god of comedy. And it's just 169 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 5: like when you go through that kind of like radicalization, 170 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 5: it's just like you see someone else and you're just. 171 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: Like zip, you know, I'm about to ritails vegetails, hilarious, 172 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: I'm about to get a little niche. But like when 173 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: you were because I remember think because we were pit people, 174 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: because we weren't embraced by UCB at the very start. 175 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: It actually took us a little bit same. Is that 176 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: the same with you? 177 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: You were like because you were one of the queens 178 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: of the Pit, and we remember thinking of you being like, well, 179 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: Natasha's here at the pit, putting in the hard yards, 180 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: and like that means that like we'll get to UCB. 181 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Natasha's on the poster like these are our lines. 182 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I just remember I had come 183 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 5: to New York with six years of mainstage experience in 184 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 5: DC like Washington in prov Theater and tried to jump 185 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: the line at UCB of just like I've been doing 186 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 5: this for like professionally six years and I've been teaching 187 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: and then like no, no, no, no, no, take a number. 188 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: I was like okay, yeah, and then I went to 189 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: the pit and Ali was just like, oh, like you 190 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 5: can teach, like and so I was able to start teaching, 191 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 5: and then I auditioned and got on a team and so. 192 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: So bluss the pit then for like yeah, they also. 193 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 5: Where they held the showcase for SNL. When I auditioned, 194 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 5: it was at the pit. That was famous night, that 195 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: was the famous that was a big night, and so 196 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 5: it was just I think the pit allowed folks to 197 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 5: be a little bit more. 198 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's less rigid than totally the Catholics. I remember 199 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: also feeling like, you know, the the Catholics. 200 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: I remember at the time like there was something really 201 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: performative about that space, like because because you're a performer, 202 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: you're a real performer. And I remember thinking, I think 203 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: we identified that as that too, maybe because UCB felt 204 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 3: like very it felt you know what I mean, like 205 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: you had to learn a language that like those guys 206 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: were speaking, but at the pit it felt like you could. 207 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it was just like the presentium, the literal stage. 208 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like it was welcoming a different kind 209 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: of performer, and I kind of felt enthusiastic about that opportunity. 210 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 5: No, I love the pit stage and it was so 211 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 5: much fun also to meet the folks that were like 212 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 5: devoutly pit yes and would never go to UCB. I 213 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: know it was, And I just felt like an interloper 214 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 5: where I'm just like, nah, I gotta go. 215 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: It used to be we I'm gonna do this show now, 216 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: which like that's the best. 217 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: Though it's like best and like shout out to the 218 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Magnet people like Magnet. The Magnet is still about a 219 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: wonderful vibe the Baptist. 220 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 4: Listen, we have figured it. 221 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, we get by the end of this episode, we'll 222 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: figure out what the Groundlings is. You know, we're not 223 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: l a people, but we're gonna work figure it out 224 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: and Second City and all that say. But like I just. 225 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Remember seeing you at the pit doing the flight attendant 226 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: and I was just like, okay, like this is someone 227 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: who this She's gonna go the fucking distance, you know 228 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, like I think you are one 229 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: of those people who we just like modeled ourselves after 230 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: anytime there was a story pirate story that like there 231 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: would be linked to every story, every stock story. I 232 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: feel like, were you in the Emergency Poncho? 233 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: It was it was like, sorry, story sketch called the 234 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: Emergency Poncho about a kid that gets a poncholl put 235 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: on him at a mean because it starts raining and 236 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: it became musical, and you were in the tutorial for it, 237 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: and that was the one one of the ones we 238 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: all I'm actually dead, we really are. Like see that's 239 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: like I remember, like the story parts of it all 240 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: really pushing me forward because I'm like, yes, the community 241 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: is what's important. 242 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that that remains true. 243 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: And I feel like something about you is you're always 244 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: in an amazing ensemble, and you always put together an 245 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: amazing ensemble. You just won the Indie Spirit Award for 246 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: Ensemble in a new series and with our pal Conrad, 247 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: and you know, even that connection to being this great ensemble. 248 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: And I see you and obviously Insecure and now famously 249 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: two seasons of The White Lotus, and you're in that 250 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: family that's obviously not an accident. It's like you're not 251 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: like booking purposefully these things, but it seems to follow you. 252 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always drawn to the collaborative arts. 253 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 5: I think that's why I never like I have deference 254 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 5: for stand but it's never been my bag because I 255 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: don't want to fail alone. 256 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean to me? 257 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: It's just like, can we get a team together to 258 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 5: believe in one thing and even if we lose, it's. 259 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: Together so there's still a win. 260 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 261 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 5: And I also find that in and again like it 262 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 5: does feel like it's chosen me more than I've chosen it. 263 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: But I feel like of the ensembles that have chosen me, 264 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: my entry point is always sort of with a character 265 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 5: that's kind of carrying sort of like the torch of empathy, 266 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 5: and I think that's just innate in me. That's how 267 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: I moved through the world. And so whether nature nurture, 268 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: I'm always drawn to parts and characters that bring humanity. 269 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: To people who look like me, you know what I mean. 270 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 5: And I don't consider it like an obligation or sort 271 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 5: of like a burden to me. 272 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: I get excited by that opportunity. 273 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 5: And that's like when I sat down with Mike for 274 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 5: White Lotus season one, I had reservations because at that 275 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 5: point he hadn't had the scripts written, but I loved 276 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 5: him at talking like love him. I'm from Freaks and Geeks, 277 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: enlightened all the way through, you know, good girl everything. 278 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 5: But then he is so good right, but then he 279 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: hit then my team's just like okay, And I was like, well, 280 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 5: how many in the cast are people of color? And 281 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 5: it's just like it's you and then there's one other girl, 282 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: but like mostly it's like you, and so I'm in 283 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 5: a servile position and I. 284 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: Was like, that didn't like make me want to, you know, 285 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 4: say no. 286 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 5: I was just like, is he going to collaborate with 287 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 5: me to help sort of like discover this character and 288 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: we found that empathy, We found that like heart in 289 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: the heart of who she was. So yeah, for me, 290 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 5: characters and empathy are always sort of like the true North. 291 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: And then he kind of has the sympathetic sort of 292 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 2: instinct with you where it's like he went page by 293 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: page yeah with Belinda and it's like, okay, like what's 294 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: the deal here? Like yeah, and you get to be like, oh, 295 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: I want her to wave hello with this family that's 296 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: at the resort, Like those moments, that moment really struck out. 297 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: And then reading this piece and seeing all these interviews 298 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: that you're doing talk about that specific thing, I'm like, 299 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: this is this is the importance of like of Belinda's 300 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: a character, of you as an actor. 301 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 5: And it's important of directors to know who they have 302 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 5: and how to utilize them. 303 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 4: Like we have the same hyphenates. 304 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 5: Mike and I were both actors, we're both writers, were 305 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 5: both directors, and so as writers we were able to 306 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 5: sit down and geek out. And he's so aware that 307 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: he's not a black woman, right, and so he's just like, well, 308 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 5: what are the ways that we can at that authenticity? 309 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 5: And I tell him all the time, I was just 310 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 5: like I wish more directors took, you know, a page 311 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 5: from that book. 312 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, of being able. 313 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 5: To know I have a deficit, but this character or 314 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 5: this actor who's playing this character might be a resource 315 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: to me. 316 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: But I have to humble myself to do that. 317 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: And Mike is one of the kindest, most humble, like 318 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 5: gentle sweet souls. 319 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: That I've ever met. 320 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 5: And so for him to do that with me season one, 321 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: and I was bucking nobody season one, you know, like I. 322 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: Mean, Kelly was I mean, Kelly was a thing. 323 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 5: But also it was just like, well, anyway, maybe I 324 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 5: should say I should say I felt like, why was 325 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: he listening to me? 326 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be hard to walk into an ensemble 327 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: cast like that and be like, yep, of. 328 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: Course anyone any and so like I felt so like 329 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 5: ahead of my skis, but he. 330 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 4: Was so excited. 331 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 5: And then when you know, I was asked back for 332 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: season three, was like when we're going to zoom, I 333 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 5: was like, I got you boom, So we like did 334 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 5: that we chopped it up again. 335 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. One of my favorite things about this season, the 336 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: characterization of Blinda, is it does feel like there's a 337 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: little bit more you in there, Like some of my 338 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: favorite moments are when you're in your place of like 339 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: attitude is gratitude and then and then a lizard will 340 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: jump out and it will be a full shut down, 341 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: Like I feel like that humor and that sort of 342 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: on guardness. It's yes, it's like it serves as just 343 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: great comedic relief in any of these given moments, especially 344 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: interacting with the environment, which is so much of what 345 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: the show is about. But also it's for me, it 346 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: speaks to the fact that like, you're dealing with less 347 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: bullshit now, like you are a version of Belinda now 348 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: that is like no fuck that I will self preserve. 349 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: So it means more to me than just those small interactions. 350 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: And where we find Belinda right now in the season 351 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: and we've seen the six episodes so far, is a 352 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: place of true fear and existential terror because she's now 353 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: being like you know, she's Greg is in the midst 354 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: and they see each other in a real way. 355 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: So I wonder, like, what. 356 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: Do you think of that progression and where do you 357 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: think she's at and going? 358 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: I love this question. 359 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 5: So for me, when we see her at the end 360 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 5: of season one, right it's like she's devastated, her hopes 361 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: were dashed. 362 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 4: And then we see her. 363 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 5: Starting something new, doing something that's you know, out of 364 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 5: her comfort zone. And I feel like when we do that, 365 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: it speaks to hope and optimism. So it speaks to 366 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 5: some kind of between the time we last saw her 367 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 5: and when we meet her she has grieved that loss 368 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 5: and is trying again. And when finally and when you 369 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 5: meet someone on sort of like the precipice of change 370 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 5: and like you know, in entertaining optimism, it's an exciting 371 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 5: role to play because she's doing something familiar. Yes it's massage, 372 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 5: but it's in a completely different country. She's learning a 373 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 5: new technique. She's raising the bar for herself. And when 374 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 5: we see her in six, all of the hope that 375 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 5: she has is now being threatened by Greg and her 376 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 5: son is so Mama Bear's kicking in, so she can't 377 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 5: just recede, which is what she's used to doing when 378 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 5: you know, things get bad or scary. Now it's fight 379 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 5: or flight, and bitch is gonna fight, you know, like 380 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 5: we want to see that activation. 381 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 4: Yea, is she going to be successful? 382 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 5: I hope fucking So it's like to pit her against 383 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 5: you know, Greg, And this way I think Mike was 384 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 5: so smart in the writing because it's it's the recognition 385 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 5: is so heavy. 386 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 4: It hits so hard when audiences see that. 387 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 5: And he's very sinister and in John in real life 388 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 5: he's such a dear friend. 389 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: He's also so sweet, yell like so sweet. 390 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: But when he got in character, there's one tape, Oh, 391 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 5: I jumped. 392 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 4: I was like, don't you can't smile at me like that? 393 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 5: Oh, because he would just like smile and like raise 394 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 5: his iron life. 395 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the variations of that character he's given us, Like, 396 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: you really don't know if in that very first scene 397 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: he appeared in in season one, if that was a 398 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: long con from the beginning, it was something he figured out. 399 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 3: There's so many things, ye that are under the surface, 400 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: obviously with every character, but him being sort of the 401 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: big boss of the show now at this point, the 402 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: main antagonist of the show. Every time you see him 403 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: it gets scary because it didn't start that way. 404 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know what he's capable of, right, So 405 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 5: it's just like it's. 406 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: All in that first interaction that you two have this 407 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: season though, I feel where you approach him at dinner, I. 408 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: Love that scene. It's both of you volleying it. 409 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: In this way that is like incredibly tense, Like you're 410 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: not looking, like you're not like on your phone while 411 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: you're watching this show. 412 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's one of those. 413 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: And I bring that up because this is a bad 414 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: habit of mine now where I'm just like, Okay, whatever 415 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm putting on right now, Yeah, you know what I mean. 416 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: But like, this is the thing that I think we're 417 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: talking about, which is you can fill in the gaps 418 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: as a viewer on Belinda's journey between one and three 419 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: seasons one and three, where it's like her hopes were dashed, 420 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: she has convalesced in the intervening time of like I'm 421 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: gonna self start again, like since being disappointed and feeling 422 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: like I had the slight preserver thrown at me. 423 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like the empathy that she in the 424 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 5: favor that she couraged season one is there and we 425 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 5: see that like she is found a way to do 426 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: that for herself, you know, like support herself and cheer 427 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: herself on. And yeah, and I also think like it's 428 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 5: fun to see her on a quasi vacation because we 429 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 5: all have these vacation identities that we try on when 430 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: we go out. It's just like, you know what, I 431 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 5: got my vacation braids on. We like go out and 432 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 5: wear these shoes that I've taken the tag off. 433 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: I never wore them before I wear them now. 434 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 435 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: So it's just like playing with identity and like who 436 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 5: she wants to be. And I think it's really beautiful 437 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: to play with someone who's such you know, putty ready 438 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 5: to be molded and now she's about to be molded 439 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: by circumstance. 440 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: Right. 441 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: I wonder how many months cumulatively have you spent living 442 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: in a four seasons? 443 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 4: Oh? Boy? 444 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: Is it? 445 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: Like is it like almost a year doing this? 446 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 5: More? 447 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: Because I did? I did Sonic in Hawaiian that was 448 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 4: four seasons as well. 449 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: Oh so you have you're a membership basically. 450 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 5: Like at this point, if they don't make me an ambassador, 451 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: I don't know, well, I. 452 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Don't know what it might like. 453 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: Did you hear about that cruise that's like we'll take 454 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: you to all the White Lotus locations. You can have 455 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: a White Lotus Expire vacation. 456 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: It's it's some vacation that Hawaii to Italy. 457 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's something you can do that. 458 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: First of all, it's Greg money. Also like it's like, 459 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 3: you know, to have a white Lotus inspired vacation. It's like, 460 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: you know what happens on the show, a lot of 461 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of stuff. 462 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's soon said. 463 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 5: That was just like they must have the best pr ta. 464 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: They don't. 465 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: They bury it all. 466 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: My god. 467 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: Okay, so we have to ask you the question that 468 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: we asked all of our guests, and I'm excited to 469 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: ask you this, which was what is the culture? And 470 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: Natasha Rathwall that made you say culture was for you? 471 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: I thought about this question a lot also because I'm 472 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 5: a fan of the show, and so I was just like, 473 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 5: and I will say also, I've been trying to get 474 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 5: on the show for ten years, but my schedule has 475 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 5: been so dumb. 476 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: No, I mean like we've never been trying, We've. 477 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 4: Been chasing each other. 478 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: So this but this is the moment, this is right now. 479 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm like Loki Embarrason what I'm about to say, 480 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 5: But it's so true. 481 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: And it is the movie Grease. 482 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Let's go well, at least you picked the best movie 483 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: of all time. Yeah. 484 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 5: And I will say I feel like Greece too has 485 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 5: not talked about enough. 486 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: No, certainly not about it. Let's talk about it, Okay. 487 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: I just feel like, one, you have a girl for 488 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: all seasons, we have cool riders. 489 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 5: I feel like we get to see like Michelle Feife 490 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 5: getting dirty, she's straddling a ladder. 491 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 492 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: But Greece like the og Yeah I just watched. I 493 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 5: like I wore out the VHS. 494 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be on my letterbox. Four. 495 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: I think, oh, if I ever get asked that question 496 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: by that incredible organization, yes, I will say one word 497 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: Grease Greece, and then I'll figure out the other three. 498 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: But like, what is it about it for you? 499 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: Because for me, I think there's something about it's a 500 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: some amalgamation of like the costumes and the the actors 501 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: are committed to those insane characterizations, and obviously the incredibly 502 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: catchy music. But is there anything specific for you? 503 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 5: Well, the music for sure, but also like I grew 504 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 5: up in the church, very chaste, and so I relate 505 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: it with a you know Sandra d. 506 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: Yes, good girl gone bad? Come on? 507 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 5: I was, I was like, yeah, so it was so 508 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 5: much fun watching someone just like get pursued by the 509 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 5: bad boy, and there was all of this kind of 510 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 5: like you know it felt Austinian because they're like long, and. 511 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 4: You know, there's just this tension of just like when 512 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: are they gonna kiss? 513 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: And it just like yeah, and it's just. 514 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: The tension plate, like we don't even get to see that, 515 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 5: like the magic of that until like the end. 516 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, because and then do you go. I think it's 517 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: one of those things that like bi osmosis, I do 518 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 3: know every line, and I think maybe most people do 519 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: and don't even realize. 520 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll come on and. 521 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: Then every once in a while I was just like, oh, 522 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 5: I don't know where my keys are, but I know exactly. 523 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: The beaterest of Grace would be like at any sort 524 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: of like rented apartment that you would like you would 525 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: go to on a family trip in like the person's 526 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: like closet or something. For me, the thing about Greece, 527 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: which is the thing that musicals on some level should 528 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: be because they are musicals, because the emotion is so 529 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: heightened that they you can't do anything but saying, is 530 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: that it's the highest fantasy fantasy in the best way. 531 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 4: They drive off in the car. 532 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Beauty school drop like are you kidding? He came from heaven. 533 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: That's actually not talked about enough. It's really number eight 534 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: beaut school drop out. He came from heaven. 535 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 4: He came from heaven. 536 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: He literally came down to give her her guidance. 537 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: I also think that like I was when it came out, 538 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 5: I was like I wanted to perform, like I saw 539 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 5: that as such a like like it was Catharsis right 540 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 5: on screen where I was like, oh that, I want 541 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: to do something where I get to build it up 542 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: to that point and my God, like. 543 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: It's like the spirit inside you like want to emulate that. 544 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: That is like the strongest link that you can have 545 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: as like a viewer. 546 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's so funny too, because like the movie 547 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 5: couldn't be more white, but like for me, it was 548 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 5: more about like the good versus evil, like bad and 549 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 5: good and like I was able to sort of watch 550 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 5: it through that lens and I mean just the jackets, 551 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 5: like everything about it. I just remember watching it and 552 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 5: like doing. 553 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: The little like you like everyone had. 554 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: I remember when when I was little, we would do 555 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: like our little dance contest, Like that's one of the 556 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: things that me and my friends would do, like me 557 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: and the girls, And it was always you're the one 558 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: that I want. 559 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: It was always Summer Night one of the best group 560 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: numbers in any musical. Yeah, so good. It's so good. 561 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: And also then when you get a little older and 562 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: you can really appreciate the depth, there are. 563 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: Things I could do. So, I mean, I believe this is. 564 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: My hot take. That might be a cold take because 565 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: everyone might have it. Stock her channing that should have 566 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 3: been an Oscar nomination. 567 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I agree what she brought to There are worse things 568 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: I could do that. That's a moment in movies. 569 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 5: It is everything And like you see her didn't she 570 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 5: haven't or she had an abors or. 571 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: She lost the babe or something she lost. It was 572 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: like a false alarm something like that. It was like 573 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: it was a false alarm. 574 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 4: She's having this conversation. 575 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like that's a lot, and the whole 576 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: movie is a lot like they're talking about, like you 577 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: know during Greece Lightning. 578 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 5: That was and that was that was my kind of 579 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 5: like Chase brain missed that until I was much older, 580 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 5: and then I was like, oh, no, right, I know 581 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 5: what that's. 582 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: You know what that's you do musicals in high school. 583 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: So I was Mama Rose and you were not. 584 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: See and I met when I was in college. She 585 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 5: came to visit University of Maryland and we were doing 586 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 5: you Can't Take It with you, and she was in 587 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 5: the hallway and I have this like fun picture of 588 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 5: me and her back then. 589 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 4: But wow, I did you guys did obviously musicals. 590 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: We did musical. 591 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: He did. 592 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh yeah, he was. 593 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: Like a high school was a Zach Caffred in high 594 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: school musical, like was an athlete, but like secretly wanted 595 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: to perform. 596 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: Right did your dad's sports sports sports? 597 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 3: Sports sports? But that wasn't really what held me back. 598 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 3: All he wanted me to do is be involved. It 599 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: was more just like gay on Long Island, right with 600 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: all stuff up here. But I found it eventually. 601 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to own up 602 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: to the fact that Natasha said I was Mama Rose 603 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: and my brain clutched and I thought, you met Mama 604 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: Morton from Chicago, But. 605 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: I but I did meet Queen Latifah at the variety 606 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 5: of way she came up to me. 607 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: She was amazing. 608 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 4: She was amazing. 609 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: Something about her that like it's I. 610 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: Remember I met her years ago when I was doing 611 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: the n YU newspaper and I went to interview her 612 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: for Secret Life. 613 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: Of Bees and she came in with. 614 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: Her platinum blonde hair and sat down and just it 615 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 3: was like, oh, now I know what it's like to 616 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: be in the presence of. 617 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: A super star royalty. She radiates she is a queen. 618 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeahs Mama Rose, that is I need to see that. 619 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: You do need to take over her abduct I had. 620 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: My The guy who played my husband in that show 621 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 4: was so gay. I was gay. 622 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: He was Herbie, so. 623 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: Herbie was so gay. And the kiss that we have 624 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 5: was on like I believe it was on the cheek. 625 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 5: I was just like, like, I believe it was upon 626 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 5: my cheek. 627 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 4: I just remember there was we had. I mean it 628 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 4: was so bootleg. 629 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 5: It was high school right, the have an egg roll, 630 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 5: mister Goldstone. 631 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 4: All of that. 632 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 5: We had like a prop issue and it wasn't there. 633 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 5: And I did improv, right since I've been doing improv 634 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 5: since high school. 635 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: So like, did your object work it? 636 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 637 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 5: And people were just like that was it was a choice, 638 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 5: and like, oh, I didn't know. And my director was 639 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 5: just like, thanks for saving the scene. I was like, 640 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 5: you got it, and I was just like embarrassing. My 641 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 5: most embarrassing moment was auditioning for Wait. 642 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: My Fair Lady. He did My Fair Lady. 643 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: This was my junior year or my sophomore year, and 644 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 5: I decided to learn sign language to the song that 645 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: I was going to sing to because I didn't have 646 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: confidence in my pipe, and so I forgot the lyrics 647 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 5: to the song or the sign halfway through singing it. 648 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 5: But my hands were already extended and moving, so it 649 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 5: was just interpretive. Dan, Yes, I don't even remember what 650 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 5: I was singing, but I just remember I was just 651 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 5: like moving my hands and I left sobbing. 652 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: But wait a minute, I was cast, but you were cast. 653 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying, there's something special about that audition, and I'm like, 654 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. 655 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: I want her in my show. 656 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: I want her in my show. What that movie? 657 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: Because it's going to watch half signing sobbing? 658 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 5: It was so it was just, yeah, it was a 659 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 5: cluster fuck of beauty. 660 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: No, but like this is the Natasha Rothwell thing of 661 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to power through and it's gonna be compelling 662 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: enough and you're gonna fucking get love it. 663 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 5: If there's anything about me, it's like it takes a 664 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 5: lot for me to give up generally, yeah, and to 665 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: the point of like, and I think it's also my brain. 666 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: I'm neurospicy a lot, and so I love solving problems. Yes, 667 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 5: so like a no or like some like I'm just like, oh, 668 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: that's just I'll figure it out or I'll. 669 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: Work through it's an obstacle currently, yes, but it will 670 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: not be the definitive answer correct. 671 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: But to be neurospicy and to be like collaborative is 672 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: killer combo. 673 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: I feel. 674 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, it's a one two punch. But I 675 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 5: also have learned more of myself in my forties. It's 676 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 5: like I'm now a boundaried battie because I know that 677 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 5: I recharged solo and I. 678 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: Knew that before, but I I. 679 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 5: Am a people pleaser, recovering people pleaser, so like I 680 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 5: would exhaust myself as I'm sure you know, it's just 681 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 5: like I will give until there's nothing left. 682 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: When did you clock that and adjust that? 683 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 4: I want to say in my thirties. I felt that. 684 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 5: Well, SNL kind of happened in my mid thirties, and 685 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: it was around that time where it was just like, 686 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 5: you know, you understand when you're on the show, you 687 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 5: have to promise them at everything and making time for 688 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 5: other people came at like a cost, and so it 689 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 5: was one of those things of like I could hang 690 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 5: out with you and make you feel good, and I 691 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: would feel good for making you feel good, but then 692 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 5: I would be like a shell of a human tomorrow, 693 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 5: And so having to make. 694 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: Those calls and then I think it's still taken me. 695 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still in the process of releasing the 696 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 5: guilt I have for choosing me. 697 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: And do you know what I mean? 698 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 5: So like, even though I've learned how to do it, 699 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 5: it's still like not letting go of that guilt and 700 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 5: consider myself worthy of you know, the choice. 701 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: But the guilt probably And this is not like me 702 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: saying this in a dire way, Like I've learned to 703 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: just not accept it but live with it because it's 704 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: going to regenerate itself with every interaction, with every choice 705 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: you make for yourself. It comes with that little tax. 706 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, Like guilt tax. 707 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: There's a guilt tax. Gilt tax. 708 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 5: And I think too, like the the amount of guilt 709 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 5: tax you pay decreases the longer you're in therapy. So 710 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 5: for me, the more I've worked on myself, I used 711 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 5: to have to pay a heavy toll and now I 712 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 5: pay a lot less and maybe I'll have an easy 713 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 5: pass at one point and I don't have to worry 714 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 5: about it. 715 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: But then they'll throw a congestion price. Yeah, it's impossible. 716 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: That is It's I think for me, it was like 717 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: it was honestly the pandemic. It was being forced to 718 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: be alone that made me realize, like, maybe I've always 719 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: needed this, you know what I mean saying. 720 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: I was three months in and I was just like, 721 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 4: I'm good. 722 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember feeling like that? I was like, oh wow, okay. 723 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you deal with the anxiety of when 724 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: things lifted. I remember feeling like, am I crazy and 725 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: weird for feeling like I don't want to necessarily go 726 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: back to the life I had because I was exhausted. 727 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: All the time. 728 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: Because I think that it also connects back to us 729 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: having to grind so hard, like I think that we 730 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: all have different experiences of not being in exactly the 731 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: mold of what was you know, out there being shown 732 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 3: as like a successful comedian whatever it is, and I 733 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: remember feeling like, oh, I have no choice but to 734 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: exhaust myself because they won't just give the opportunities there 735 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: will be someone that they see in a more one 736 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: to one way. Yeah, so all of a sudden, your 737 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: wheels have spun so fast in your twenties and into 738 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: your thirties, and then something says like, hey, cosmically we're stopping. 739 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: And then it's like that was. 740 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: When I was like, oh, thank god, I'm in therapy 741 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: because I have to deal with the fact that. 742 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to rejoin society. 743 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah but wait, so would you would you say that 744 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: it's like an opposite track in terms of like what 745 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: Mal goes through and how to dial loan. It's like, 746 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: this is someone who wants to sort of like break 747 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: out of her solitude in a way. 748 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's also I basically wrote the show 749 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 5: is kind of like a love letter to that unhealed 750 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 5: version of myself, where it's just like I don't even 751 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 5: know if she. 752 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 4: Knows herself enough. 753 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 5: To decide what it is, you know, Like, so it's 754 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 5: breaking out of the comfort of. 755 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 4: The known and going into the unknown. 756 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 5: And I think in doing that, it's not guaranteed that 757 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 5: you're gonna love it, you know what I mean, Like 758 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 5: you might hit And that's why we always called her 759 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 5: like our human rumba, like you hit wall. 760 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: After wall after wall, but you're still getting your shit clean. 761 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 5: And for her being able to like make those mistakes 762 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 5: and like take risks and figure out if she is 763 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 5: a people person. You don't know if you don't allow 764 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 5: people in your life. Yeah, I do think that, like aspirationally, 765 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 5: I tacked her affinity for being around people onto the 766 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 5: character because for me, and I love people, but I'm 767 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 5: a small dose girl. Yeah, I mean, like I love 768 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 5: give me like y'all too conversation. 769 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 4: I will talk for eight hours. 770 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: And then we'll be good for a little bit. Yeah, 771 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: and that's perfect. 772 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 4: And that's perfect, do you know what I mean? Yeah, 773 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 4: A room full of people like. 774 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 3: No, see how are you the other night? Then at 775 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 3: Vanity Fair while we saw you? Like because that that, 776 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: I get really anxious about those things. And then I 777 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: find when I'm there, I'm okay and I'm actually like 778 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: there's even enjoying it sometimes. 779 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: But it takes me a lot to drag ass there. 780 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 5: I okay, how do I say this so I get 781 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 5: invited back? 782 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: No? No, no, no no, we love we love being there. 783 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 4: So I loved being there. 784 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 5: My default is not that environment of course, and so 785 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 5: I parked myself towards the entrance and I people watch. 786 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 4: That's kind of my happy place. 787 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 5: So I was just watching the like the looks come in, 788 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 5: watching the people watching conversations. And I tend to default 789 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 5: in any environment, not just high stakes oscar weekend parties. 790 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 5: I want to find a corner I want to watch, 791 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 5: and then I want to find like a person or 792 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 5: a couple of people that I'm going to have probably 793 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 5: an oversharing conversation, you know what. 794 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 4: I'm like, like whatever, like let's get in. So what 795 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 4: about your father? 796 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 5: You know, like type of conversations anchor, And so I 797 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 5: went there. I took up her paranolol because weded blocking. 798 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 5: So that way my nerves do would be the best 799 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 5: of me. I brought the director of development of my 800 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 5: production company. 801 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 4: And she was tasked, but she was tasked by my 802 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 4: publicist to make sure that I did turns around the room. 803 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 3: That's an amazing make sure that Natasha does at least 804 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 3: some turns and turns around the room. 805 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 5: So I would sit there and then she'd be like 806 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 5: you ready to go do a lap? And I'm like okay, 807 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 5: and then. 808 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: I do around the room the room, I should have 809 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: said that as the pop culture that changed my life. 810 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: The mini series about absolutely, but Greece is I mean, 811 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 3: connecting Greece as Austinian is important. 812 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 4: I feel like I did some work just then. 813 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: You did. What you did was you talk to children. 814 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: I taught the children, since we genuinely talked children children. 815 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: The children, and now it's like, let's go back and 816 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: teach him. Okay, so you did. You did a couple, 817 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: you did a walk about the room, and it was good. 818 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 5: It was good, and it's it's I don't this sounds 819 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 5: so like fucking tweet and like and like, but it 820 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 5: was so cool to see people that I've only ever 821 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 5: seen TV in film and like, I'm not someone who 822 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 5: fangirls because I do feel that there's a distance between 823 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 5: me and them even though I'm in the same room. 824 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 5: And this isn't some kind of like woe was me, 825 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: Like you know, it's poster syndrome bullshit. It's literally just 826 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 5: like you reside on that stratosphere and you're allowed to 827 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 5: be there, and. 828 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 4: I just my joy is just observing, you know. 829 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 5: So that was my journey that night was just like 830 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: watching I did go up to one person. You'll never 831 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 5: guess one person out of all of the people there, 832 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 5: I didn't approach anyone. 833 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: But this one is this someone I don't think who 834 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 2: we saw. Is it someone who was like has been around. 835 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: For a while or a long time. 836 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say. I'm going to say Billy Crystal. 837 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 4: Oh was he now? 838 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 3: Because now I'm thinking, because honestly, what I'm realizing is 839 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: that we did what you said, but it was with 840 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 3: John Ham at the bar. 841 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: We were so happy to just park with it. 842 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 3: And so now I'm realizing I didn't see a lot 843 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: of people, so I can't even guess. So I'm just 844 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: gonna throw out of guests and say list goal. 845 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: No. 846 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 4: John Waters. 847 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 5: John Waters was there, so he was Oh my god, 848 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 5: so University of Maryland, Marylyn, Tracy Turnblatt. 849 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 4: She was a fatty batty before I even knew I 850 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 4: like could be one. 851 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 5: And he was standing there in his suit with a 852 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 5: mustachetron on pink huge sneakers, and then all these like 853 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 5: gorgeous starlets were just walking past him, no, no, not 854 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 5: knowing that he was. And so he was by himself, 855 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 5: and I was just like, just do Itasha, just do it. 856 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 5: You can go. I was like, excuse me, mister Waters, 857 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 5: and he's like, yes. It was just like, my name 858 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 5: is Natasha Rothell. I'm a huge fan. I went to 859 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 5: University of Maryland. He's like Marilyn Baltimore. 860 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: I love it. 861 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 5: And I was just like and I just thank you 862 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 5: for Tracy Turnlett like and everything, and he was just 863 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 5: so warm and then I just kind of like stood 864 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 5: there and then right away. 865 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: That's such a good moment, and I was just. 866 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 4: Like, I mean, he's such an icon, such an icon icon. 867 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 5: That was like a whole moment, and I felt like 868 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 5: he felt like he was even though he wasn't against 869 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 5: a wall, but he was like by himself on his phone. 870 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I see you. 871 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah Water even you were just like yeah, Pard, you 872 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 873 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, And hairspray by the way, like in obvious ways 874 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: and also in spiritual ways that are like not as 875 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 2: obvious camanic piece to Grease, I think, yes, you know 876 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: what I mean. 877 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think that like they both dealt with different 878 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 5: eras obviously, and I feel like the yeah, the just 879 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 5: the culture of Baltimore. He just was such he's the 880 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 5: you know, the the Grand Poe of Baltimore. 881 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, could be po, but I think it's him. 882 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: It's him. 883 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, okay, but this is the thing, like the 884 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: distance that we feel at these events between ourselves and 885 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 2: like the people that are walking by. 886 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it like it works in every direction. 887 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 2: Because I was saying this on our last episode, like 888 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 2: we were just talking, chatting it up. I think like 889 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 2: it was right before I saw you, when we saw you. 890 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 2: The person who ran up to me and tapped me 891 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 2: on the shoulder and was like, oh my god, thank 892 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 2: god you're here. Her, You'll never guess. Megan the Stallion 893 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 2: was a mouth. 894 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: She was like oh. She was like hey, oh hi, 895 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank god you're here. Like I don't 896 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: know anybody here. And I was just like Meg, Meg, 897 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? 898 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 4: Girl? You're like titty out Meg. 899 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: She looked amazing. I turned around. I looked at her 900 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: and I just go period. 901 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 5: And she goes back period, come in And I was 902 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,959 Speaker 5: just like, oh my god. 903 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: But I feel like everyone. 904 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like that level of like social 905 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 5: anxiety feels so unique and it's hard to accept that 906 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 5: someone else like her is like, oh my god, I 907 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 5: might have said the wrong thing, just like my Ariola 908 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 5: showing there mine was page six. 909 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, there's a little there's a little slip. 910 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 5: It was fine, it was yeah, but no, I feel 911 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 5: like I have my mind just runs a mile a minute. 912 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 5: And to know that someone like her is also a 913 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 5: head case, it's kind of It's nice, but. 914 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 4: It's hard to understand. 915 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 3: That's what you have to remember, is it's like, not 916 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 3: only are these all human beings, but they are also 917 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 3: human beings who are in the arts and at one point, 918 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 3: like we're just like the weirdos that wanted to be accepted, 919 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 3: et cetera. And this is a big night for pretty 920 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 3: much everyone. Of course, you know somewhere in the crowd 921 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 3: and there I'm sure we had our like major ego narcissists, 922 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 3: but like not that we talk to, you know what 923 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 3: I mean. It was kind of nice, yeah, bringing it 924 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 3: back to the White Lotus. What I love about it too, 925 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 3: is it feels like Mike really gets together people who 926 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 3: are freaks in a way. It's like it feels like 927 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 3: a theater troop in a way. It's not like a 928 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 3: collection of celebrities. Like of course, there are those names 929 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 3: that you kind of just know that pop out like 930 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,959 Speaker 3: your Jennifer Coolige or Aubrey Plaza. That feels like there's 931 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: moments of like, oh your Parker Posey, like we know who. 932 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: She is, like gods. 933 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 3: But what I love is that it's giving It's like 934 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 3: a community of people who are you know, as actors, 935 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 3: artists and giving them the platform to now be tearing 936 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 3: it up on the most popular show in the yeah world, 937 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 3: in the world. 938 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 4: It's so insane because truly season one was meant to. 939 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 5: Be a limited series one and done, and so for 940 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 5: it to be what it is now, you would think 941 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 5: it would change the recipe, but Mike has not changed it. 942 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 5: It's like theater camp, Like you go there and every 943 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 5: single person there loves the craft these words like the 944 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 5: craft and like being able. 945 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 4: I remember when I got to. 946 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 5: Set, just flew in crashed that night, walked down a 947 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 5: set just to watch, and I stayed and to watch 948 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 5: the girls. They were shooting like their first breakfast scene, 949 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 5: the three Ladies Yes, And I she was like, Oh, 950 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 5: I'm just watching Masterclass, Like I'm just like watching them cook. 951 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 4: It was so cool to be like. 952 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, we're back, and it felt like the same 953 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 5: pure show that I was on originally it's the DNA. 954 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 4: Everything is still there. 955 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 5: Even though they got a bigger budget, you know what 956 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 5: I mean, but more cast members, but like each person, 957 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, everyone's a freak. Everyone's obsessed 958 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,479 Speaker 5: about what they do, and each of them bring something 959 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 5: so special and unique. 960 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm working with Leslie Bibb now and I 961 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 3: was watching her like process and I'm like, wow, I didn't. 962 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 3: I was like, she really has like this amazing process 963 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 3: and she's so excellent. 964 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: And then I. 965 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 3: Obviously knew she was cast in White Lotus, but I'm 966 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 3: watching White Lotus and I was thinking back to, you know, 967 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 3: watching her do what she does, and I'm like, this 968 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 3: has to be like such an exciting environment because you know, 969 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: that's the way Carrie Coon does it. 970 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: Like I'm loving Michelle Mamhead on the show. 971 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 3: And also again like the idea of the very specific 972 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 3: examination of three old friends on a vacation, Like it's. 973 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 4: One of my favorite storylines. 974 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 5: I told when I cause I binged the whole show 975 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 5: when I got all the scripts and so, and that 976 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 5: was one of the first things I was just like, 977 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 5: you have embodied adult female friendship in a way where 978 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 5: I'm just like it was uncanny. 979 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 2: And something specific, so specific about one of them being 980 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 2: a TV star. 981 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 3: Oh god, that's paid for it. Yes, I feel like 982 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 3: and now now that we're getting to the point where 983 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 3: it's like you kind of get the sense that she's 984 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 3: you know, gonna maybe use that might bring it down, 985 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 3: might bring it up, like might might do the big 986 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 3: boss vacation friend thing. 987 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: It's getting so. 988 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 3: Thick in that way, and just like the way that 989 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 3: she ticks and the way I can't decide. And this 990 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 3: is a huge testament. Like I'm talking to some people 991 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,439 Speaker 3: who are like, oh, those women really hate each other. 992 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 3: But then I'm like, no, I think they really love 993 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 3: each other, but I'm just frustrated by the way life 994 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 3: has changed them. Yeah, and they're I think they're all 995 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 3: really trying to connect with each other. I don't think 996 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 3: that it's so of course, they've got their envies and 997 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 3: jealousies and like their own personal insecurities, but I don't 998 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 3: think we're watching three women that hate each other. 999 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think that, like, and I don't know if 1000 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 5: you guys find this, Like when I go back home 1001 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 5: for the holidays or whatever, you revert back to the 1002 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 5: version of yourself when you're around people who knew you 1003 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 5: when thank you, And so I feel like what we're 1004 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 5: seeing is them in high school in middle school behaving 1005 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 5: with or trying to communicate with their actions. 1006 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: Instead of their words, right yes, And. 1007 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 5: So there's this passive aggressiveness, and I think it looks 1008 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 5: like a lack of emotional intelligence when they all possess it, 1009 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 5: but they're opting not to, I think because they're when 1010 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 5: when the when these three are gathered, they turn back 1011 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 5: into the versions of their self that felt jilted, that 1012 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 5: felt like they did everything, that felt like their beauty 1013 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 5: was all that there is. And so watching them play 1014 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,240 Speaker 5: those subtleties and then they're the tension is they're trying 1015 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 5: to like resist who they were and become who they 1016 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 5: are are. And then they're also all trying to become 1017 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 5: something else, like they're trying to grow together. So it's 1018 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 5: like such an interesting intersection of all of those like 1019 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 5: all of that tension, you know. 1020 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, like when they go into town and they get 1021 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 2: like hosed down by these kids that it kind of 1022 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 2: is the reset for the or No, it's like them 1023 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 2: being shoved back into adolescens in a way, like yeah, 1024 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 2: being picked on and then the rest of that day 1025 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 2: plays out in a way where they're like trying to 1026 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 2: like compete for like male attention, and that feels like 1027 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 2: the most dangerous, treacherous teenage circumstance. 1028 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so well crafted in that. 1029 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 3: I mean from the first episode her single sob like 1030 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 3: a child cut too, I mean, she's level she and 1031 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 3: then like Leslie like in that episode where it's revealed 1032 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 3: that she's got let's just say, political differences, and the 1033 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,919 Speaker 3: way she like looks at them longingly, like but there 1034 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 3: is such a disappointment in herself, like like are they right? 1035 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 3: And I think that that that's something that's really jumping 1036 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 3: out towards the end here is they are returning to 1037 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 3: a childlike state, like every single time it's insinuated that 1038 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 3: they're old, the way that Michelle like her line readings 1039 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 3: of panic about like what are you talking about? 1040 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: We're not old. We can still have fun to the point. 1041 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 3: Where they're gonna push They're gonna push each other into 1042 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 3: a situation that is truly dire and uncomfortable because youth 1043 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 3: is all that matters to her, or that she's been 1044 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 3: told that that's all that should matter, right, right, and 1045 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 3: there's just it's really he's done it again, if you 1046 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 3: can believe it. 1047 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, how are how are you? And John? 1048 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 2: I'm curious how are you guys playing those interactions because 1049 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 2: there is like palpable fear from you yea. And I'm 1050 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 2: feeling it watching from home, like, oh my god, no, Natasha, 1051 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 2: like you're like terror. 1052 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: It's terrifying. 1053 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1054 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 5: And it's also I think so we we had him 1055 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 5: on set the whole time, but. 1056 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 4: It was a secret. 1057 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1058 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he hung out with us, but it wasn't 1059 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 5: a ton in the beginning, and like it was just 1060 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 5: like trying like. 1061 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,240 Speaker 4: All that kind of stuff. 1062 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 5: And so I think being on set with him was 1063 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 5: always a treat because I was like, oh, I get 1064 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,359 Speaker 5: some John time today, you know, like you know, because 1065 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 5: he was. 1066 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 4: Off exploring or doing whatever. 1067 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,359 Speaker 5: And he is such a chameleon that like in those 1068 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 5: moments where he's just like looking at me and then 1069 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 5: he kind of tilts his head and smiles, it's just 1070 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 5: like my like, so. 1071 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: It just works on you on like a primal level, yes, 1072 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: like like. 1073 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 5: And also it's just like it preys upon all of 1074 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 5: sort of like my natural inclinations to like be liked 1075 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 5: and wanted and like why does he hate me? And 1076 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 5: like what does he want to do? And like you know, 1077 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 5: how can I fix this? And like oh he's a 1078 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 5: bad guy, and like, well do you want to hurt? 1079 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 5: Like there's she's filled with fear and curiosity at the 1080 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 5: same time, and that tension is where she's living, which 1081 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 5: is just like no way to be and John is 1082 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 5: just so and he Yeah, his character's so antithetical to 1083 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 5: who he is as a person, and so when he 1084 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 5: just plays those uh when he comes. 1085 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 4: Out and surprises me, huh. 1086 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 5: I watched it and screamed along with myself, that's how 1087 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 5: much I was, Like, Oh, I was like there he goes. 1088 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. 1089 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 3: So just to like ask about Mike White as a director, 1090 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 3: because like he does everything, but I feel like I'm 1091 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 3: very curious as to the process of like the scene work, 1092 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 3: because that is what I think is so amazing about 1093 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 3: the show is the dialogue and the scene work and 1094 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,240 Speaker 3: the small things. 1095 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, is he encouraging of any improv. 1096 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 3: Like like I would imagine with you someone that's got 1097 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 3: such a strong background and someone that he trusts and 1098 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 3: has done this, like or is it kind of clinical 1099 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 3: on the page? Because I could see it being either he. 1100 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,320 Speaker 5: Plays, so we're there's a scene in next week's episode. 1101 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 4: I won't spoil anything. 1102 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: Seven you mean seven? I don't know. 1103 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,800 Speaker 4: It's not seven? Is it seven? 1104 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: If it's up through six, we can talk about and 1105 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: talk about it. 1106 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 4: Okay, then I won't talk about it. 1107 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,240 Speaker 5: But what I will say there are moments where I improvise, 1108 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 5: and there are moments where he wants to get it 1109 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,479 Speaker 5: as written but will give you direction to play with. 1110 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: It A fun run, A fun run, yeah, but he. 1111 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 4: It's less a fun run. It's more just like he 1112 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 4: wants options. 1113 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 5: And I remember I told the cast this because like 1114 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 5: he's unlike any director I've ever worked with, and again 1115 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 5: just being such a people pleaser and you know, the 1116 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 5: ever the good student. If you give me a note, 1117 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 5: I'm going to do that. No, yeah, and I will 1118 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 5: not vary from that. And so like he will come 1119 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 5: in and give like a completely opposite note. And so 1120 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 5: I take that as I totally fucked up that last note. 1121 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,800 Speaker 5: And I remember talking to him about it like season 1122 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 5: one and he was like, no, I just want options. 1123 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 5: He's like, he mail, did I want options? And so 1124 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 5: and I also know him to be the kind of 1125 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 5: director like he's not going to move on until he 1126 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,280 Speaker 5: has it. And that's the benefit of like being directed 1127 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 5: by the guy who's also working alongside and amazing editor, 1128 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,720 Speaker 5: John Valerio and John he's on set, so the editor's 1129 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 5: there with you, so they know, oh, we got that. 1130 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 5: So I had to take my ego off the table, 1131 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 5: and that allowed me to work with him as a 1132 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 5: director in a way that felt like I was having 1133 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 5: fun yecause I was like I could play around and 1134 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 5: he also knows like my improv chops and so, and 1135 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 5: some of the scenes were Belinda's like, you know, having 1136 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 5: a little bit of a comedic moment. 1137 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 4: He's just like. 1138 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,800 Speaker 2: That is where the comfort and the trust lies in 1139 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 2: terms of an actor and director, where it's like you're 1140 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 2: not going to move on until work until you're happy. 1141 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 2: And that way, I'm comfortent in the knowledge that like, 1142 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 2: you got it, like that, yeah, you have what you need. 1143 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 3: It takes a minute to learn that, though, you know 1144 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 3: what I mean, because I think and maybe this again 1145 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 3: speaks to the fact that it was a lot of 1146 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,240 Speaker 3: self grinding and hard work in so many different areas 1147 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: that there is tends to be. I think, especially when 1148 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 3: I was like first starting out booking jobs. I don't 1149 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 3: know how you guys feel, but it was really never 1150 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,920 Speaker 3: enough in a way that I realized at one point 1151 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 3: was actually hurting me, not helping me, Like it wasn't 1152 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,799 Speaker 3: helping me to walk away from every setup being like 1153 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 3: I didn't do a good enough job. Because also people 1154 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 3: can see that, and what they're thinking as a director is, Oh, 1155 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 3: they don't trust me, they don't know that I got this, 1156 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 3: when that relationship is one of the most important things. 1157 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, when. 1158 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 5: You learn that of also, just like there's that inner 1159 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,360 Speaker 5: critic right that I've had to wrestle my whole life 1160 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 5: of just like that not enoughness in literally every aspect 1161 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 5: of my life. And I feel like the place that 1162 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 5: I've gotten to, I have such confidence in my creative 1163 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 5: and professional life, and that is trickling down into my 1164 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 5: personal life. But it took me a long time to 1165 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 5: be able to, for example, create an award winning, critically 1166 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 5: acclaimed TV show and have it canceled and to be like, 1167 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 5: I did that shit, Yeah, do you know what I mean? 1168 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,959 Speaker 4: Like, I don't know. 1169 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: Where it broke down. 1170 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 4: I don't know where it. 1171 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 5: Broke down, but I can look back at what I've 1172 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 5: done with a sense of pride and not not enoughness. 1173 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 5: And that was a moment where I was just like, 1174 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,720 Speaker 5: oh a bitch had some growth and that's. 1175 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: A speech at the Indie Spirits. Was I like stood up? Yeah, 1176 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 1177 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. 1178 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 5: I mean how the dissonance of like accepting award for 1179 00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 5: a show that's canceled. 1180 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 4: It was just kind of like it. 1181 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: All came up. 1182 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 5: But I think that like that that not enoughness. I 1183 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 5: think when I reacted to that news, I obviously had feelings, 1184 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 5: but when I was able to yeah, the the boomerang back, 1185 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 5: you know, just being able to come back to myself 1186 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 5: and know that, like I did what I was supposed 1187 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 5: to do and there's circumstances out of my control and 1188 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,319 Speaker 5: sometimes things aren't fair. 1189 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you take this and you and it extrapolates 1190 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,760 Speaker 2: forward into like the rest of your career. I can't 1191 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 2: wait for who did I marry? 1192 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 4: Thanks babe. I'm so excited. 1193 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 2: It's gonna be fucking I mean, it's what a saga. 1194 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 4: It was such a saga, and there's so much more. 1195 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 4: You don't even. 1196 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,240 Speaker 1: Know are you? Are you talking about Teresa? 1197 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1198 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I love it. 1199 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 5: It's and it's so lovely and Marty Knoxon, who's unreal. 1200 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about unreel. Can wait? 1201 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 5: Though. When I moved to La, I went to my 1202 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 5: very first like LA thing I did. I went to 1203 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 5: an f YC panel. 1204 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 3: For there everybody, yeah, everybody, sure apple be that should 1205 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 3: have been And I mean when like that was, that 1206 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 3: was amazing. 1207 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 1: The whole cast is everything. 1208 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 5: But she's with me, we're co creating and so and 1209 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,800 Speaker 5: she's Yeah, her her writing and everything is incredible. And 1210 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 5: she'll tell you she lived she lived a similar story, 1211 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 5: so like her, she's such a value add But yeah, 1212 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 5: hopefully we'll be bringing that sin. 1213 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 1: I love it. Well. I've always been curious. 1214 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 2: I've never gone to ask you about this, and now 1215 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm like a new web as they say, like a 1216 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,799 Speaker 2: new otaku. Like I went to Japan for the first 1217 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 2: time and I'm like, this is this is my place? 1218 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 2: But what was your what was your time in Tokyo? 1219 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 2: Like so differenttause you were working It was like. 1220 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, every time in your life in my I was 1221 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 5: twenty six twenty seven when I got there. I was 1222 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 5: teaching English part time. I started performing at the Tokyo 1223 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 5: comedy Store, which is like their version of Boom Chicago. Yeah, 1224 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 5: it's just like they had X that's performing for a 1225 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,240 Speaker 5: lot of like largely expect audience. 1226 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,879 Speaker 4: It was wild. I was black in Japan, Barack wasn't 1227 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 4: in office yet. 1228 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 5: He got elected that year, and I just remember like 1229 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 5: riding my bike around town and people shouting. 1230 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: Like oh bumma, and I would. 1231 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,320 Speaker 5: Just like just like wave my guess, like I was 1232 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 5: just like owning it. 1233 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: Wow. 1234 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,879 Speaker 5: People would even pre his inauguration, like people would take 1235 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 5: pictures with me, pull my. 1236 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 1: Hair, just like oh God. But I did mind it, Okay. 1237 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 5: I didn't mind it because it came from a place 1238 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 5: of curiosity and it wasn't steep the fucking like trauma 1239 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 5: response that is living in America as a black person, 1240 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. 1241 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 4: So like it was just like little like people were just. 1242 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, how long did it take for 1243 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 2: you to like have that understanding of like, oh, this 1244 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 2: is this is just secure pretty. 1245 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 5: Quickly because it's such an homogenous country, and the only 1246 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 5: kind of like racism that I peeped it was like 1247 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 5: if you were African American, they were cool with you, 1248 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 5: but if you were from the continent Wow. 1249 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,319 Speaker 4: They were kind of like a little suspicious. 1250 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,320 Speaker 5: And I didn't know that because one of the guys 1251 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 5: that I was working with at the school where I 1252 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 5: was teaching, he was African American, but he looked like 1253 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 5: he was from the continent. And we were going to 1254 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 5: this like karaoke bar and they wouldn't let him in 1255 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 5: and we were just kind of like, well, what's going on. 1256 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 5: He's like, I know this happened. Sometimes, let's go to 1257 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 5: another one. So that was wild. But I loved it, 1258 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 5: like the ID is the best time. 1259 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 2: I loved it and I was obsessed with it. And 1260 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 2: then towards the end it dawned on me. I was like, 1261 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 2: the reason the toilets are so clean and all that 1262 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 2: shit is because the reason why everyone knows where they 1263 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 2: have to go and fall in line is because it's homogeneous. 1264 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, is that is that like a worthwhile 1265 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: thing to aspire to? You know? 1266 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 4: What do I'll say about that? 1267 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 5: I don't aspire to homogeny, but I think when you 1268 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 5: are in an environment where you are othered, you see 1269 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,919 Speaker 5: yourself more clearly. I felt like I was wearing polka 1270 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,280 Speaker 5: dots to a stripes party. Everything that I was trying 1271 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 5: to run from I saw more acutely, and for me 1272 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 5: being in an environment where I felt so seen and 1273 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 5: so watched, it was just like, okay, bitch, audit who 1274 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 5: you are and who you want to be and how 1275 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 5: you present yourself. And I think that, like, while it's 1276 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 5: not ideal, I do think moments of homogeny can remind 1277 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 5: you of who you are and require you to show 1278 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 5: show up for yourself. And I think that when I 1279 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 5: was there, you know, I was so you know, I 1280 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 5: was had lived in DC, graduated from University of Maryland. 1281 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to go to New York or 1282 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 5: I was terrified. I was like, I want to live 1283 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 5: some life. So I did this like a little adventure 1284 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 5: and wherever you. 1285 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 4: Go, there you are. 1286 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1287 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 4: And I feel like that's also. 1288 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 3: Like, especially when you're on vacation, you're supposed to relax. 1289 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 3: I feel like that's one of the greatest things about it. 1290 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 3: Is it really it picks apart the idea that it's like, Okay, 1291 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 3: I'm relaxing and now I'm alone with my brain and 1292 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 3: I'm along with these people who are close to me 1293 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 3: that I've elected to spend time with and their brain 1294 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 3: with no tech. 1295 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 4: I did that once for a week. 1296 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 5: I did a Buddhist meditation retreat for four days, five days, 1297 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 5: four nights. 1298 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this was like no, no tech, no speaking damn. 1299 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,919 Speaker 1: Oh I've heard of these speaking things. 1300 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah no, And. 1301 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: Do you hear the thoughts more loudly or what? Like, 1302 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: what's what's going on? 1303 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 5: I felt like I was at like a rock concert, yeah, 1304 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 5: because there. 1305 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 4: Was no way to And here's what I did. 1306 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 5: So, like again, rule follower, before we entered the silence, 1307 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 5: you could ask questions and I was just like books. 1308 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 5: I brought books and he's like, nope, because you're just 1309 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 5: like distracting yourself. And I was just like, so no books, no, 1310 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 5: not like I'm trying to go through all things, like 1311 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 5: I know, no gadgets. But I was like, what are 1312 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 5: the tactile sort of like analog things I could do 1313 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 5: to like again, and he was just like journaling. That's 1314 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 5: the one thing that was permitted. My hand was thrown 1315 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 5: up gang signs. 1316 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 1: But I wrote so much. 1317 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 4: I was like I was like. 1318 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 5: Cramping because I needed to have place to put it. 1319 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 5: But I will say, yeah, it was clarity, clarity, timesten. 1320 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 4: It was amazing. 1321 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Eventually, you got there. 1322 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 5: Eventually I got there like kicking and screaming clarity. And 1323 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 5: then now I'm also just like glued to my phone. 1324 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 3: Party one of the most anxiety inducing scenes of all 1325 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 3: of White Lotus so far, and I obviously it was 1326 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 3: because it was the first scene and I was like 1327 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 3: waiting to see what was happening. But when they when 1328 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 3: Zion was sitting in meditation, I was just like it. 1329 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Always just it makes me anxious. 1330 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 3: I know people always feel like, you know, to go, yeah, 1331 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,120 Speaker 3: go home and meditate. I'm like, see, you're driving me nuts. 1332 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 3: And I also think that there's something to that in 1333 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 3: the whole show, this idea of what happens when you 1334 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 3: sit with yourself. Are you even able to entertain that idea? 1335 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1336 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 3: And I just think those themes are becoming even more 1337 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,439 Speaker 3: clear as we get to the end, like who are 1338 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 3: you really? 1339 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:48,960 Speaker 4: Who are you really? 1340 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 5: And it's yeah, it's just reconciling the like who you 1341 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 5: want to be and who you are, And I think 1342 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 5: that's the constant struggle. And I think the more you 1343 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 5: resist the truth of who you are and don't adjust 1344 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 5: your aspirations to be in line with who you are, 1345 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 5: that's just where the tension lies. I think Mike does 1346 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 5: that so beautifully in the show. You have all of 1347 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,600 Speaker 5: these people like hitting who they are like head on. 1348 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1349 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just really interesting because in now thinking 1350 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 3: about this thing of like the absence of tech and 1351 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 3: all that stuff, it's like it's a place that's asking 1352 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 3: you to let go of all those things. And now 1353 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 3: we have you know, the older ratlyft gentleman like paniccause 1354 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 3: you can't communicate needing to do that to like get information, 1355 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 3: and it's driving them crazy. Parker has lost her drugs, 1356 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, she's gonna be without her things. 1357 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 3: I think honestly, Patrick Schwarzenegger, no one wants to fuck 1358 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 3: him in that entire place. And he's got this like 1359 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,560 Speaker 3: thing in his head that that's where his power lies 1360 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 3: and his like, you know, vitality and sexual prowess, and 1361 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 3: he's just getting all he can get that from is 1362 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 3: his goddamn brother. 1363 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1364 01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 3: And it's it's just been a really interesting specific test 1365 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,200 Speaker 3: of all those things. 1366 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and it's I think too, like with 1367 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:10,640 Speaker 5: each of them, you see the ugly coming to the surface. 1368 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 5: And I feel like with Zion played by the very 1369 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 5: symmetrical Nicholas beautiful man. 1370 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 4: It was a very like edible complex moment. 1371 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 3: I was like, my, my, my, like, and I was. 1372 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: Like, here's in the pool in the last episode. 1373 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 3: And I turned to Greta and I was like, when 1374 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,320 Speaker 3: he gets out of this water, it's going to be 1375 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,560 Speaker 3: on the site, it's gonna be something else. 1376 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: And low Ball to make it worse, he's like such 1377 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: a good. 1378 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 5: Dude, saying to him we had dinner like the first 1379 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,439 Speaker 5: week we got there, and I was just like, you were. 1380 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 4: Too symmetrical to be this nice, and I was, and he. 1381 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 5: Was just like what I was like, No, it's like 1382 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 5: a lot of guys who look like you aren't this nice. 1383 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880 Speaker 4: But no, I think, like, you know, everyone's very ugly. 1384 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Trust me, I've seen the ball, You've done it. 1385 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I think like everyone's working on their ship. 1386 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,120 Speaker 5: But I think like with Zion, you see it's bringing 1387 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,120 Speaker 5: his good out yea, you know what I mean, Like 1388 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 5: he's rising to the occasion. So I do think that 1389 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 5: like things that test us, you know, they yeah, they 1390 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 5: prove your metal. 1391 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 4: I'm so scared about what's going to happen, terrified, and the. 1392 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,320 Speaker 3: Thing is like it's like it would be one thing, 1393 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 3: if we knew this was a show where like they 1394 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't kill boring, but that's not what this is. I mean, 1395 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,520 Speaker 3: we saw Jennifer Coolidge fall right off that boat and 1396 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,200 Speaker 3: hit her head. 1397 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 4: I screamed. 1398 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: People think I knew. 1399 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 4: I had no idea about that. 1400 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 1: So your insight into season two was nothing nothing. 1401 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,120 Speaker 5: I was at home watching him, like I love this 1402 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 5: for her, and then like watching and yeah, when she 1403 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 5: fell off, I screamed, and. 1404 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 1: Then perfect character. It's so tough. 1405 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 5: And famously she's she hates the water being on it 1406 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 5: and gets famously seasick. They had a dazzled bucket bucket 1407 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,960 Speaker 5: for her season one to puke into. So I remember 1408 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 5: saying to Mike, I was like the cruelty of this moment, 1409 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 5: and he was like, well, I had to write, you know, 1410 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:03,600 Speaker 5: she had to do. 1411 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 3: And one of the most iconic scenes is the ashes 1412 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 3: in the water during Fantasy. 1413 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:08,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1414 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They put her on the water 1415 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: both seasons. Yeah, she's on vacation on the water for sure. 1416 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,080 Speaker 5: It's so funny, and Mike and her like best best 1417 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,720 Speaker 5: best friends, and so it's so funny. 1418 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh my, you're gonna have to pay. 1419 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Back back is mean. I hope Belinda kills Greg. This 1420 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: is what I'm hoping, That's what I hope. 1421 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm just comforted to like see you and be in 1422 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 2: the same space as you because I'm just. 1423 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,919 Speaker 1: You know, I'm alive, because I know you're alive and here. 1424 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,960 Speaker 3: Speaking of being here, we probably should move into I 1425 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 3: don't think it, no, honey, which is where we're all 1426 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 3: asked to be here in president in a sixty second 1427 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,200 Speaker 3: takedown of culture. 1428 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,360 Speaker 1: That absolutely must occur. 1429 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,480 Speaker 3: And I feel I need to speak to some response 1430 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,440 Speaker 3: that happens to the White Lotus this season. I just 1431 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 3: want to I want to check you and truly, I 1432 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 3: think make a point about let's just let me just talk. 1433 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Okay, it's Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as 1434 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:07,480 Speaker 1: time starts now. 1435 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 3: I don't think so honey. People saying that the White 1436 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 3: Lotus incests this season is too much. Where were you 1437 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 3: during Game of Thrones? Thing to say when it was 1438 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 3: heterosexual incest and then all of a sudden, now that 1439 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 3: are Toto sexual incests. Now that we see some making 1440 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 3: out and some jacking off, all of a sudden, people 1441 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 3: are up in larching. Sorry, there was incestual procreation on 1442 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,880 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones and you said nothing. Maybe you thought 1443 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 3: it was a little silly, but you weren't like it's 1444 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 3: too much for me. Close friends of ours saying that's disgusting. 1445 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to see that. I don't 1446 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 3: want to go there. This is white lotus. You didn't 1447 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 3: think it was gonna go there. I don't think so. Honey, 1448 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 3: you better love and enjoy. Get your popcorn out when 1449 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 3: these two men kiss, because I am rooting for it. 1450 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 3: I hope they go all the waeconds. I hope we 1451 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,320 Speaker 3: see these brothers make it to the altar together. I 1452 01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,840 Speaker 3: want the white lotus to white lotus all over the place. 1453 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: That I'm pretending to be two. 1454 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 3: Gay brothers who are doing it all. 1455 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,160 Speaker 1: Over each other. 1456 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:08,080 Speaker 5: Grow up. 1457 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 1458 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,640 Speaker 1: Money and that's one minute that might be my best 1459 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,960 Speaker 1: one in a long time. I can't follow that. 1460 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,280 Speaker 4: I know I had that in me. 1461 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Matt Rogers Caper for gay and up, because I'm saying, 1462 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,120 Speaker 1: you're right, there's not. 1463 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 3: There was not that much noise during Game of three. No, 1464 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 3: certainly nothing even approaching it. 1465 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1466 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,920 Speaker 5: I think it's because like you can't really project yourself 1467 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,600 Speaker 5: onto one of the cares of Game of Thrones and 1468 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 5: be like, that could really happen to my child, Do 1469 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 5: you know, like you watch you like I might be 1470 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 5: dating a guy who. 1471 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,920 Speaker 4: Did, Like sure, you know, like or like there's all 1472 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:46,439 Speaker 4: of these things. 1473 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. 1474 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 3: It's these well let mean, let me not, but let 1475 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 3: me it's these families with a lot of money that 1476 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,880 Speaker 3: things go back a very long time. That is where 1477 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 3: the weird stuff happens. And that is it is no 1478 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 3: mistake that they are that kind of like family and 1479 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,960 Speaker 3: they're they're engaging in this type of thing. And what 1480 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 3: I'll also say is that the discomfort with it is 1481 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 3: and this is very intentional I think on Mike White's part, 1482 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 3: and he's been like this from the beginning. There is 1483 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,320 Speaker 3: a fascination with the male butt and it makes people 1484 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,800 Speaker 3: think of gay sex and the ick factor they're in. 1485 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 3: And I'm just saying that is the way we make love, 1486 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 3: get over it and grow up. 1487 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,360 Speaker 2: And grow up theory of the abject You're you don't 1488 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,040 Speaker 2: like it because it's it's poop, isn't nearby? 1489 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I'm saying is it's like. 1490 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 3: That's statological, it's scatological and what I always think, like, 1491 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 3: is he doing a butt call for his male actors, 1492 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,720 Speaker 3: because it's always popping off. 1493 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: But Adam demarka, we will not forget. I'm just saying 1494 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 1: like it's I see what that is. Yeah, and therapy 1495 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,880 Speaker 1: that's really it's Shakespearean right right. 1496 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 5: It's like to me, I feel like that's the cool 1497 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 5: thing about the motifs he's using this season, like it feels. 1498 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: Very classical, classical. 1499 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, And also I really appreciate that in 1500 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 3: the second season two with the opera of it all. 1501 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought that that was there's. 1502 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 3: Really and you kind of it blows my mind that 1503 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 3: he can make these shows. Obviously there there are white 1504 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 3: lotus and they come with those themes. We of course 1505 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,559 Speaker 3: have this very similar setup every season. But this like 1506 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 3: real commitment to and fascination with the culture surrounding the 1507 01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:29,320 Speaker 3: places he decides to explore, I think is even more 1508 01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:30,639 Speaker 3: impressive than people realize. 1509 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 4: Oh, this season is incredible. 1510 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a lot of people who have a 1511 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 2: deep knowledge of taime music history of like the rock 1512 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 2: and the disco and all these different genres that have 1513 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,040 Speaker 2: like moved through Thailand. Like people being like, no, the 1514 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 2: way that they're you the music supervising on the show 1515 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:47,759 Speaker 2: is excellent. 1516 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,680 Speaker 1: The way they're using time music is very, very very sophisticated. 1517 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like Thailand for me feels like a 1518 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,600 Speaker 5: character on the show this season, of course, And I 1519 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:04,879 Speaker 5: think it's a beautiful love letter to the culture of Thailand. 1520 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,559 Speaker 5: And I learned when I was there. I had no idea. 1521 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,800 Speaker 5: They've never been colonized, they've never been to war, and 1522 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,759 Speaker 5: they call it the Land of Smiles, and so it's 1523 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 5: just the foundation of Thailand is this openness and it's 1524 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 5: pervasive and it's like the the Thai crew was like 1525 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,600 Speaker 5: every Thai hand that touched this production was just like 1526 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 5: did it out of love? And I've never been surrounded 1527 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,639 Speaker 5: by that, you know, in the same way. 1528 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 4: And yeah, I. 1529 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 5: Think that like from music supervision to all of the 1530 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 5: things I mean, of course, and just like they tapped 1531 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,479 Speaker 5: like Thaie Royalty to be a part of the show, 1532 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 5: I mean, Lalisa, of course. 1533 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,320 Speaker 4: I just feel like, I mean, it's impressive this. 1534 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna whip out the phone and say, Bowen Yang 1535 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 3: clearly has and I don't think so, honey. 1536 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 2: Today there's is about too much being said about something 1537 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,959 Speaker 2: mine is about not enough. 1538 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,080 Speaker 3: And with that too much, not enough narrative. This is 1539 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,519 Speaker 3: Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. 1540 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. 1541 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,080 Speaker 2: There should be a huge din of conversation around Li 1542 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 2: Lisa's performance in White Lodu season three. I'm not seeing 1543 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 2: enough chatter discourse about the groundedness with which she is 1544 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,439 Speaker 2: performing this character. All the scenes between her and I 1545 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,680 Speaker 2: took are so sweet. I'm nervous for that. Something is 1546 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,640 Speaker 2: something bad is gonna happen there, and I don't like it. 1547 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 2: I don't like this feeling in me that I've been 1548 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 2: sitting with for weeks. But she is blowing me away. 1549 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 2: Obviously black pink Stan least Stan for life. She was 1550 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,000 Speaker 2: someone that my starstruck moment at the Oscars was honestly 1551 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,720 Speaker 2: walking past hers. I was coming off presenting and she 1552 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,559 Speaker 2: was about to walk on for performing, and we waved 1553 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 2: at each other, and I was like, oh my god, Lisa, 1554 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,200 Speaker 2: that smile, that million dollar smile. I Lovelisa so much. 1555 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 2: Why aren't we Why aren't the gays talking about this more? 1556 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 2: Why are there more? 1557 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,800 Speaker 1: You know? I just want to see the memes. I'm 1558 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,800 Speaker 1: not seeing enough love Lisa memes. I'm seeing a lot 1559 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,919 Speaker 1: of Parker. I'm seeing a lot of Patrick. We love Patrick. 1560 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 2: I need to see more. I need to see Blenda memes. 1561 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 2: I need to see Lalasa memes. And that's one man 1562 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 2: and that's one manute. 1563 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:13,639 Speaker 1: You know what it is. 1564 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,840 Speaker 3: It kind of goes hand at hand with the thing 1565 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,200 Speaker 3: of like, oh, this season feels slow, feels slow. No, 1566 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,759 Speaker 3: I feel like this season is the most cinemata because 1567 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,439 Speaker 3: what is going to happen? And I know with Lisa, 1568 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 3: I know there's a twist coming. Yes, I know that 1569 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,920 Speaker 3: there's gonna be something that goes down with her character 1570 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,360 Speaker 3: that like makes it bigger than it is. 1571 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like because it has to be, because 1572 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 1: it's her. 1573 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,160 Speaker 4: It's just so I'm close, I know, I know. 1574 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 5: I love her so much. Yes, I met her mother 1575 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 5: on set. She's so down to earth. She's just real 1576 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:51,240 Speaker 5: and so sweet and like just loves the craft of 1577 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:52,599 Speaker 5: acting and like it's. 1578 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,400 Speaker 4: So was so nervous, just really and she is like 1579 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 4: she would she. 1580 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,000 Speaker 5: Would be out and about like if we were like, oh, 1581 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 5: let's go grab dinner here or whatever. Mobbed by of. 1582 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,680 Speaker 1: Course, like tail international superstar. 1583 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, like it was insane, like Beyonce level fandom over there, 1584 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:15,680 Speaker 5: and she is so gracious and like kind and but 1585 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 5: the acting is out. 1586 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: We'll talk about. 1587 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:23,080 Speaker 3: Someone who is used to working her fucking ass off. 1588 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,360 Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, have you seen the documentary 1589 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,840 Speaker 3: like it's it's you have. 1590 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,960 Speaker 5: To make me watch it? Before I was like, I 1591 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 5: need to do some more research. I can't just listen 1592 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,000 Speaker 5: to the music, like you need to watch the docs. 1593 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw them at Coachella. It was like four machines. 1594 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,600 Speaker 3: It was it was wild, and I mean, like a 1595 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,639 Speaker 3: person like that, I would say, like I say about Beyonce, 1596 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,800 Speaker 3: don't put anything past someone that works. 1597 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh we need to as well. I 1598 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:50,439 Speaker 1: mean I would. 1599 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 4: Feel like she moves like a virgo. 1600 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,680 Speaker 1: You know what you need to find out? What are you? 1601 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,479 Speaker 4: Can you guess? 1602 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Wait? 1603 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,640 Speaker 3: Because I would have said Leo. But now as a 1604 01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,639 Speaker 3: result of this conversation, I don't know, are. 1605 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: You score bio? 1606 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 4: I'm libra? 1607 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 1: You're a libra? Okay. 1608 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,679 Speaker 3: So we had Kate Blanchette yesterday and she was saying 1609 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,639 Speaker 3: people who are libras aren't necessarily just out and proud 1610 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 3: about their librinus. Are you out and proud about your 1611 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 3: libert I love my librinus. 1612 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Libra is not something to not be proud of you. No, no, 1613 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:17,840 Speaker 1: I love it. 1614 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,920 Speaker 3: But we were just saying, like people libras don't feel 1615 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,680 Speaker 3: like they need to tell everyone they're a libra. Like 1616 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 3: we're aces in a scorpio and we're so loud in 1617 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 3: my out here. 1618 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,040 Speaker 5: I see scorpio, bestie, yeah, water signs. 1619 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Okay, she's in aries. Oh I like that. 1620 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,400 Speaker 4: There's the fire fire. I love that. 1621 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,439 Speaker 3: In fact, I was looking at it forward, one of 1622 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,840 Speaker 3: those like you know, you know, swipe through Instagram things 1623 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,720 Speaker 3: today that's like, here's what a cancer need? 1624 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:45,000 Speaker 5: Is what that? 1625 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,479 Speaker 1: It made a point about pisces an area, so I 1626 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,839 Speaker 1: might have to text a Lisa. I'll get her information. 1627 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Boy'll love it. 1628 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,680 Speaker 3: Okay, is it time for your I don't think so, 1629 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,640 Speaker 3: so nervous, don't made for this moment? Okay, Okay, this 1630 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,240 Speaker 3: is Natasha Rothwalls. I don't think so, Honny and her 1631 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,679 Speaker 3: time starts now. 1632 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,599 Speaker 5: I don't think so, honey, Stop asking me about white 1633 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,000 Speaker 5: lotus spoilers. But that's all the emotional labor black women 1634 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 5: have had to carry in this country Yeah, you not 1635 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,880 Speaker 5: want a narry another person asking me to drop the 1636 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,240 Speaker 5: bag that I. 1637 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,599 Speaker 4: Have secured, and an effort to make you sleep at night. 1638 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,679 Speaker 4: It's not my job to make you sleep at night. 1639 01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,439 Speaker 5: You need to put yourself to be Stop asking black. 1640 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,160 Speaker 1: Women to heal. 1641 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,599 Speaker 4: You watch the fucking TV show your. 1642 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,080 Speaker 5: Answers, but watching the show like everybody else, you enjoy 1643 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,680 Speaker 5: the fact that I'm on something that's exciting and I 1644 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,880 Speaker 5: don't have to walk around being worried that I'm gonna 1645 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,600 Speaker 5: spoil something because you keep trying to sneak in questions. 1646 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 5: Do you really think you in the middle of Target. 1647 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,840 Speaker 1: That you, sir, that I just met. 1648 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 4: And don't know you're the one that's going to make 1649 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:53,920 Speaker 4: me give up the ghost? 1650 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 5: No, fuck yourself and stop going in the fifteen items 1651 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 5: or over. I know you got twenty items. You I'm 1652 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,040 Speaker 5: not and I'm not telling you function about the show. 1653 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,000 Speaker 4: Watch that's one. 1654 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:15,560 Speaker 3: Minute, amazing, high energy today. Yeah, it's not going to 1655 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,559 Speaker 3: be you Target, and it's not going to be you, 1656 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,760 Speaker 3: and it's not going to be the man in. 1657 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,640 Speaker 5: Target, man in Target, the bell boy, the guy in 1658 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,080 Speaker 5: the cat like people have been harassing me. 1659 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,600 Speaker 1: It's like you want to tell them you don't want it. 1660 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:28,920 Speaker 1: You don't want to find out this way. 1661 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 4: No, you don't want to find out this experience. 1662 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,400 Speaker 1: It through the viewing process, like the way it's meant 1663 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:34,680 Speaker 1: to be. 1664 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,320 Speaker 5: I think also White Lotus is hearkening back the way 1665 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,840 Speaker 5: you know, it's water cooler television. It's once a week 1666 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,080 Speaker 5: and it's just like appointment television, and and folks are 1667 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,320 Speaker 5: so gimme, gimme, gimme. They can't wait, you know what 1668 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,200 Speaker 5: I mean. And so for me, I'm just like give 1669 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,880 Speaker 5: into what this show is. You know, it's hearkening back 1670 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 5: to like fucking Dallas. They had hour episodes, you know, 1671 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,600 Speaker 5: like being able to tell a story over time. I 1672 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 5: feel like the anxiety of the culture is just like 1673 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,360 Speaker 5: making people. 1674 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,479 Speaker 3: Yes, I need more and more and more, and it 1675 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,120 Speaker 3: gets people mean about it too. Yes, Like I find 1676 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,639 Speaker 3: that that's obviously dugged down the online blah blah blah 1677 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,960 Speaker 3: boring conversation about how Twitter looks. But what I'm saying 1678 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,720 Speaker 3: is we should be so lucky to be in a 1679 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:21,160 Speaker 3: time when we have an HBO Prestige show that is 1680 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 3: water cooler on every Sunday night. We are always living 1681 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,280 Speaker 3: in a better world when that is the case, and 1682 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 3: it feels like we had a golden age there and 1683 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 3: now we kind of like, you know, we're We're just 1684 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,240 Speaker 3: to put it mildly, we are eating right now, and 1685 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,559 Speaker 3: so enjoy your food and joy by shoe swallow, take 1686 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,040 Speaker 3: time to digest because more courses are. 1687 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 4: I'm not going to be the one like I like 1688 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 4: work too hard. 1689 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 3: No. 1690 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 4: I was like, if anybody's got loose lips, it's Parker. 1691 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,320 Speaker 3: That's just true. I think she's already slips. She's already 1692 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 3: No way did she she said such? 1693 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:54,439 Speaker 4: She was? 1694 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,920 Speaker 1: I think she was found or something. 1695 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 3: Someone came out and said, oops, I accidentally said something wrong. 1696 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 3: Maybe this is about something else. 1697 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 4: It's not on the text chain yet. Maybe I don't know. 1698 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,559 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll cut this out. But I mean, you've 1699 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,880 Speaker 1: been sitting on this information for like a year at 1700 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,240 Speaker 1: this point. 1701 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:15,599 Speaker 5: Anyway, right, no longer hire Bob. So I got cast 1702 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 5: before the strike. Oh and I was sitting on it 1703 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,760 Speaker 5: secretly while I was shooting How to Dialog. They announced 1704 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,600 Speaker 5: it thinking we were going to shoot that October. 1705 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 4: So I was the only one announced, and then no 1706 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,799 Speaker 4: one else was announced. 1707 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,639 Speaker 5: And for a whole year you knew well yes, well 1708 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 5: no that was when what was the strike May May 1709 01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,120 Speaker 5: May through. I didn't shoot again until I got to 1710 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 5: Thailand in February. Lord, so I've been sitting on it 1711 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,760 Speaker 5: for that plus, so two years. 1712 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,760 Speaker 1: Almost two years. Yeah, you're not going to give up 1713 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 1: the ghosts. No, no, we're not going to Target right now. 1714 01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,519 Speaker 1: Change the policy, change your policy. Target. 1715 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 2: I will admit I did go in yesterday to buy 1716 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:08,479 Speaker 2: the exclusive Gaga vinyl. Well, but I think people, people 1717 01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:12,599 Speaker 2: on threads at least, have have given each other a pass. Yes, 1718 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,719 Speaker 2: the little monster's been like, you can go to Target 1719 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,120 Speaker 2: just to buy the vine. But I've been proud of 1720 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,880 Speaker 2: myself my Amazon and Target shopping way. How's the Chick 1721 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,400 Speaker 2: fil a consumption? Chick fil a consumption is virtually gone 1722 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:24,680 Speaker 2: as well? 1723 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, virtually gone. 1724 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,759 Speaker 4: Virtually gone, as he picks chicken out of his teeth. 1725 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you smell like the floor myself. 1726 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,160 Speaker 5: It's not easy for me, my addiction to both Target 1727 01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:38,840 Speaker 5: and Amazon. 1728 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 4: Like obviously on the blackout day. 1729 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,960 Speaker 5: I didn't this is this is it feels chic, but 1730 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 5: here's some shady ship. 1731 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,120 Speaker 4: I had filled up my cart. 1732 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: Wait twenty four hours later, period, that's okay, didn't you 1733 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,400 Speaker 1: follow the black I follow the buck out. 1734 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,479 Speaker 5: I was like, today I'm not gonna press bye, but 1735 01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,080 Speaker 5: tomorrow morning I'm all pressed. 1736 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: By you better believe the stroke of twelve. I was like, all. 1737 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:07,240 Speaker 3: Right, but you should have seen me driving around LA 1738 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,920 Speaker 3: with two miles of gas in my car. 1739 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't. 1740 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,640 Speaker 3: I was like getting where I need to go, like 1741 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,080 Speaker 3: on empty because you couldn't get gas that day. 1742 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:16,679 Speaker 1: Now this is the truth. 1743 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 3: And you guess somewhere on two miles, like, how much 1744 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,559 Speaker 3: do you want to black out? 1745 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,800 Speaker 1: I wanted it back, I'd of God, of us, we 1746 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,080 Speaker 1: are changing the world. Yeah, one economic blackout at a time. 1747 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you certainly are wor God, what a long time coming. 1748 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 4: What a long time coming. 1749 01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: We just so enjoyed having you here. 1750 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:37,880 Speaker 4: I want to do this. 1751 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,639 Speaker 1: You have to come back. 1752 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 4: Also, let's hang out without Mike. 1753 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:49,040 Speaker 1: So we can really say and we will be the guys. Okay. 1754 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 3: So I mean, obviously White Lotus Sunday Nights, where I 1755 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,080 Speaker 3: guess six episodes are out right now we're coming up 1756 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,120 Speaker 3: on that finale. Obviously watch everything that Tasha does because 1757 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,400 Speaker 3: it's the best ever. I mean, we just adore. 1758 01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:07,680 Speaker 2: Truly happy, no one, no one is more like up 1759 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,160 Speaker 2: in this like the I mean, unfortunately, you're like up 1760 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 2: on this pedestal. But the thing is you've been up 1761 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 2: on that pedestal for so long for us, and you 1762 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 2: have never, ever, ever ever disappointed us. And that's not 1763 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 2: pressure or anything, it's just pure No, it's just that 1764 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:22,479 Speaker 2: we love. 1765 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,080 Speaker 1: You so much. 1766 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,320 Speaker 5: Ditto, and just know that, like I'm rooting for y'all 1767 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,559 Speaker 5: so heavy, Like everything you touch now or will touch, 1768 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,360 Speaker 5: I'm like, just know that I'm in your corner and 1769 01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,599 Speaker 5: for me watching what each of you guys do and 1770 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,479 Speaker 5: how you have come together to like like it's just 1771 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,200 Speaker 5: beautiful to see, especially in the comedy community, that kind 1772 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,400 Speaker 5: of support. And I think that like what you do, 1773 01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's smart, it's timely, it's needed, and 1774 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,000 Speaker 5: I'm just like, I just want to keep putting a 1775 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,120 Speaker 5: mic to you so that way your voices can continue 1776 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 5: to be amplified because the world needs you. 1777 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is the kindest thing anyone's ever said. 1778 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,679 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I mean, this is so meaningful, 1779 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,639 Speaker 3: and I feel we do end every episode with the song, 1780 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,920 Speaker 3: and people have been talking about how they haven't been 1781 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,880 Speaker 3: hearing this enough. But when this theme jumped out in 1782 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 3: the show. I was like, Okay, I think this is Mike. 1783 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 3: Why telling us white lotus is about to white lotus. 1784 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,640 Speaker 3: We all know the refrain. 1785 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: Honey by law of culture reads. 1786 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:37,960 Speaker 2: This is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players 1787 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,280 Speaker 2: and I Heart Radio podcasts. 1788 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,800 Speaker 3: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, Executive 1789 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,439 Speaker 3: produced by Anna Hasnier and 1790 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,800 Speaker 2: Produced by Becker Ramos, Edited, mixed by Duck BABYMNIQLA Board 1791 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,879 Speaker 2: and our music is by Henry Komerski