1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian. There's no reason why something failed or 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: why an engine doesn't run right, and I know that simplistic. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: The car doctor does the rear brake. Caliper have a 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: lever that comes out of the back of the caliber 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: body that the cables attached to turn about the braked. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Andanian, the Car Doctor, 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: call in the garage. Orders are open, but I am 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five and now 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: he running. I know sooner or later I would see one. 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: And I saw it this week, a car that had 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: a bed to directional but it wasn't a bulb, and 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't wiring, and it was way more involved than 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: you would normally expect it to be. One of the 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: things I've always taught mechanics over the years, and I 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: believed in myself, is never get fooled by the simple repair. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: Never fall into the pond and think, well, this is 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a quick walk and how hard could it be? 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: Because you've always got to expect the unexpected, and actually 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: certain things that are done in order repair are actually 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: done wrong right from the get go. If you if 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: you ever look at a receipt or an invoice for 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: a work order for a car that has a light out, 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: a bull about, a headlight, a parking light, of tail light, whatever, 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: it always says something to the order of or usually 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: says left ear directional, not working, replace bulb or check bulb. 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: It's never check circuit. And I think that reason is 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: because when cars were older, you know, the cars in 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, it was yeah, of the 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: time it was a bulb, right, you know, once in 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a while it was a switch, or maybe rarely it 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: was wiring, but it was never what I'm gonna tell 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: you it is today. I had an know five Mercury 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Montego come into the shop this week. And Mary's a 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: wonderful customer. She's been with me forever and ever and ever, 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: and we have a great relationship and it's just a 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: pleasure to work with her. And the car came in 40 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: for service. I changed the oil, I charged the air conditioning. 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: It was low and charge and it got a bunch 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: of other little service items here and there. And I 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: ran around and I did my my my usual due 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: diligence seasonal checklist. Check the lights, check the tires, look 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: at the brakes, that stuff, and finished the car and 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: shipped it and to day shipped it gone. Mary got 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: up the next day and she went out and she 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: called me and she said, hey, you know, she said, 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: my left directional doesn't work. You know, she said, wasn't 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: working yesterday. And I said, yeah, that's really kind of weird. 51 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: I said, you know, listen, my dead dog that wasn't 52 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: dead yesterday died today. I mean, it can happen, right, 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna happen, sooner or later. Said bring a bit, 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: let me take a look. She brought it by that 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: morning and I looked and the bulb was good. And 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: I said, you know, Mary, the bulb is good, there's 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: something else going on here. Um, I need some time 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: with it. Can you leave it? She said, sure, she 59 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: left it. You know you look for simple, right, you always, 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: you know. I took the lamp out, I took the 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: ball about. The bulb was good. I owned the ball. 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: The bulb was fine. I checked for power and ground 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: I had ground, and but I only had eight volts 64 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: at the socket. And I said, boy, that's kind of weird. 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, eight volts? Am I? Am I looking at 66 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: a crossed wire, a resistance problem with low voltage? Am 67 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: I looking at a voltage drop issue? What am I 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: looking at? So I started going through it, and I, 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, let me go look at a wiring diagram 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: because this is definitely more than just a ball. But 71 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of made the fatal error. I 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: should have looked at wiring first. And let's see. The 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: red comes out of the left directional It goes up 74 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: along the chassis rail. Here, it goes through a couple 75 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: of connectors and then it gets tied into the s 76 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: j B, the smart junction box under the left side 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: of the dash with this massive connector, this connector called 78 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: C with a small letter E lower case. A. Wow, 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: what the heck is this? It doesn't even go to 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: the directional switch. Where's the directional switch get involved? Here? 81 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: And I looked at the wiring for the directional switch. 82 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: The directional switch comes in on the connector below, on 83 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: a smaller connector, a sixteen pin and that's the feed 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: from the ignition switch or from the directional switch. Wow, 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, I smell a rat here. Turns out the 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: smart junction box is not really a junction box. It's 87 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: a control module. It's a computer to run the lights. 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, go figure, I said, it's 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: doing so much any weird things. I bet there's a 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: trouble code for this. And sure enough I scanned it 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and it was setting a bee as in Baker twenty 92 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: four oh five, left rear directional circuit open, faulty trouble 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: codes for for directionals. Are you ready for this? America? 94 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: You know? And it's it's been this way. What the 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: car is fifteen years old now, so it's it's it's 96 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: been out there, and it just took a long time 97 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: for me to run across one one of the one 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: of the first I've seen. We sought a lot on Europeans, 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: and you would, you know, you sort of expected on 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: a European you'd see it on a Volkswagon, you'd see 101 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: it on a auty things like that, but you know 102 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: on a Mercury. And it's not just the Montego's, it's 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: the four five hundreds, it's the trusts of that generation 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: of that era. There's a few car models out there 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: that have this particular setup. And in the end, as 106 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: I went through the diagnosis, and my my thought was 107 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: when I got through everything and I had a strong 108 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: suspicion it was the smart junction box, I said, why 109 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: don't I take the gray blue out of pin ten 110 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: and the white red out of Pin five at the 111 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: s JB connector and switch them. And if the fault 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: now goes to the right side, that it doesn't light 113 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: up the right side. And now the right side directional 114 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: doesn't work, but the left does. I know the left 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: circuit is intact and capable of being driven, the right isn't. 116 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: And I'll prove that the smart junction box is bad. 117 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: It was a good idea for the moment I unplugged 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: and something caught my eye. Oh let me, let me, 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: let me come back to this, I said to myself. 120 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: I plugged it back in. I went and I answered 121 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: the phone. I walked up front, I came back. Where 122 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: was I. Oh, yeah, let's see that I switched the wire. 123 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: It was late in the day. I was getting tired. 124 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: Did I switch the wire yet? And I don't think 125 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I did. Let me try the directional left side works, 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: right side works. I looked at the connector. Nope, I 127 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: didn't switch the wires. I believe unplugging the main connector 128 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: performed a reset on the module and the car fixed itself. 129 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: And it happens. And here's the problem, all right, And 130 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Mary understood, and I explained to Mary, and you know, 131 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: Mary was great about it. She says, listen, Ron, you've 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: got some time in this charging for the time. She said, 133 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: I'll bring it back when it happens again, if it 134 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: happens again. And you know, it's just a pleasure to 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: work with. But here's the real problem of carse fifteen 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: years old. I checked with Ford, Hey, any smart junction 137 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: boxes available for a two thousand five Mercury Montego. There's three, 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: and they're all in Detroit and some warehouse, and there's 139 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: six days away. And it made me think that it's 140 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: not gonna be the difficult part. It's not going to 141 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: be the car that we can't fix that's you know, 142 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: hard to diagnose. It's gonna be the simple things that 143 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: that trip us up automotive wise, that we're not going 144 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: to be to get the simple parts. You know, you 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: can drive a car without a power window. You can 146 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: drive a car if air conditioning doesn't work, if it's 147 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: something older. You can't drive a car without directionals. You 148 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: can't drive a car without break lights or parking lights. 149 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: And that's gonna be a problem. And and you know, 150 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I read an article in Hemmings and I'll finish it 151 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: here before we go to the break. I read an 152 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: article in Hemmings last week. Shelby Jimmy gave it to me, 153 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: and it talks about how what I've been saying, and 154 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: this isn't about Hey, look, I'm right, I don't need 155 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to do that, and you guys know I don't do that. 156 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: This article talked about how everybody is driving their health 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: Cats and their zero six Corvettes and their muscle cars 158 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: up today with all the electronics in them. In twenty 159 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: or twenty five years, won't be able to drive them 160 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: if they have electronic problems because the manufacturers don't build 161 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: those individual parts. They subcontracted out to a vendor. And 162 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: twenty years from now, the vendor that built the control 163 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: module for a health Cat, the nder that built the 164 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: directional box, the smart junction box for the five Montego, 165 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make it anymore. They don't. They don't have any 166 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: more of them. They don't have the blueprints. Well they 167 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: might have the blueprints, but they don't have the capacity 168 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: to manufacture it. Because that small vendor is just that, 169 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: he's a small vendor. He can't leaves sitting on a 170 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: shelf and perpetuity until somebody needs one. He doesn't have 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: the pockets like a GM or Afford or a Chrysler. 172 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: And it just made me think electronics is a going 173 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: to drive the car business out of business to a 174 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: degree and be make those cars with points and condensers 175 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: look a whole lot better as things go on from here, 176 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: zero run on any of the car Doctor and we 177 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: are going to be back right after this to kick 178 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: the garage doors open. Don't go away. For the best 179 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: in car advice, give Ron call he by five five 180 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Now back to Rod. Hey, 181 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: let's get over to Joe and Pittsburgh. Joe, welcome to 182 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, sir, How can I help? Yes, there 183 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: are two thousand four Duke was over seventy seven thousand miles. 184 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: It's a harsh shift only when the set of cooling 185 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: temperature gets above one nine two or so um and 186 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: uh probably been to several transmission shops. You know what 187 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: they will say, all you've got to rebuild it for 188 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred other guys, they just drive it. So I 189 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: was wondering if I could just put a transmission cooler 190 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: on it and put some of that thick locusts in it, 191 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: and that wouldn't help or probably not, probably in those things. Well, 192 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: has anybody scanned it? Joe? Yeah, I had a occud 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: one time, pout a year ago. Then it went away. 194 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: I never come back. Was it a P eighteen eleven? Yeah, 195 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: I believe so. Okay, So P eighteen eleven is is 196 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of an internal trans issue. Just 197 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, how much do you want to deal with bucks? 198 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: By the way, it's cheap for a trans so make 199 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: sure they're doing the whole thing typical. Well, and I 200 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: guess maybe Pittsburgh's labor is a little different, but you know, 201 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: North Jersey price is a typical trans and something like 202 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: that is between three grand and thirty bucks, So you know, 203 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: use that as use as so after ten or so 204 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: when the cold temperature gets that more. Well, the fact 205 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: that it sets an eighteen eleven tells me the trans 206 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: had an issue. Have you checked it recently for codes? 207 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: It hasn't had a code for over a year, now, okay, 208 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: you have you checked it recently though in eighteen eleven 209 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: may not in every case put on a check engine light. 210 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: So have you checked it recently for codes? No? Okay? 211 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: Light never come on again, right, like I said. Like 212 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: I said, the light may not come on all right, 213 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: So just just be away air of that. So you 214 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: know the basics for something like this is it's basic. 215 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Check the fluid level, fluid level and condition. Grab okay, 216 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: grab a scan tool. Alright, somebody needs to take a 217 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: scan tool and look at the individual. They call them 218 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: taps throttle adaptive pressure indicators. All right. G M is 219 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: pretty smart. They gave us the ability to look at 220 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: internal trans pressure as the trans sees it right on 221 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: a scan tool. And I know you want to listen, 222 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: you want to you want to use some change the 223 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: fluid and put some lucas in it. If that works, 224 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, go ahead. I don't think it. I don't 225 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: think a cool as well, Joe. You're gonna run it 226 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: cold all the time, think about right, So let me 227 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: get this right. You're gonna go through the pain of 228 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: adding a cooler, changing fluid and adding a Lucas probably 229 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: spend five six bucks instead of or in the court 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: of Lucus on us ten bucks. Okay, then try it White, 231 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: diagnose it. I'm not being as I'm not being a 232 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: wise guy. Joe. You can't hurt it. It's already broken. 233 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: If it works, it works right. Well, I don't know 234 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: it's it's broken. It's said in eighteen eleven. Trust me, 235 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: that was That was a year and a half ago 236 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: and it's been good since. Joe, what do you try? 237 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: You want to if you want to read a really 238 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: great article on tap throttle adaptive pressures, go online to Motor. 239 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: Go look for Motor magazine. I think it's Motor dot 240 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: com and go look up the April two thousand nine issue. 241 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: There's an article in there about transmission adaptive as they 242 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: talk about Chrysler c v I clutch volume index and 243 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: g M taps throttle adaptive pressures. It's written by the 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: great Wind Cologna of the guys, a genius when it 245 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: comes to transmissions, and I remember reading, well, yeah, it's 246 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and listen. This could be pressure control all sonoid, This 247 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: could be a leaking oh ring around the filter assembly. 248 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: This could be a valve body issue. But you know 249 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: it's somebody's gotta want to diagnose it, all right, So 250 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: I changed the filter because the can was caved in 251 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, since so I don't know right well, 252 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: like I said, it takes some diagnosis. The problem is, 253 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: look at look at it from the trans shops point 254 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: of view. And I'm telling you right now, bucks for 255 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: a trans is cheap, brother. All right, No, but some 256 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: guys say, just keep running the trans shop. Other guys say, 257 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: you gotta rebuild. Then you gotta dropped it. The whole 258 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: crazle too to get that. Well, listen, either either we 259 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: diagnose it and then repair it or replace it, or 260 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: we live with it. I mean it's it's you know, 261 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: how hard a job is, how much money a job costs, 262 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: how much the car is worth. You know, none of 263 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: that has any bearing. First, you gotta diagnose it. I'll 264 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you a story like this show. 265 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: I've got a nineties six old Aurora in the shop. 266 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I think I've got the last one left in America 267 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: that's running all right, seventy thousand miles on it. The 268 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: car came in because the gas tank. The collar that 269 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: held the fuel pump in had brought it away. They 270 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: can't get a tank all right, so they wanted me 271 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: to do. There's a repair kit where you where you 272 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: put a collar on and it'll hold the pump down. 273 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: YadA YadA ya. And she said, oh, by the way, 274 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: the check engine light has been on for about a year, 275 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half, which means to me 276 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: it's been on for two years and the engine doesn't 277 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: run right. See if you can take a look at that. 278 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: The car barely got up the lip of the driveway 279 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: to get into the shop. That's how bad it ran. 280 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: Long story short, the car had rushed inside three of 281 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: the eight injectors. I went through the whole diagnosis. It 282 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: had rushed inside three of the eight injectors. I can't 283 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: find injectors for this car, not easily. I can't find 284 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: a set of eight. I found two, Um I was 285 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: able to I was. I cleaned them out. I put 286 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: one in. It runs a little better. I the cylinder 287 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: that was dead now came back. I know where the 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: direction is. I gotta get injectors for it. But I 289 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: can't get injectors easily. I can't get a gas tank. 290 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: I can't get a fuel tank over ring. It's it's 291 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: difficult getting parts for this car because it was only 292 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: made three years. My point is I still diagnosed it. 293 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: I didn't guess I didn't Rube Goldburg it. I'm not 294 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: saying you are. But what I'm saying is, get off 295 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: the fact of this is too hard, this is too much, 296 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: this is too expensive. Do you want to fix it? 297 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: You gotta know what's wrong with it first. If you 298 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with it, and running the trans 299 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: cool all the time, do you really think that's a 300 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: great idea? And and here's my point, all right, hear 301 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: me out, all right? When when you get up in 302 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: the morning and you know it's cold in Pittsburgh as 303 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: the as the winds blowing in off the river. If 304 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: you were cold like that all day, how well would 305 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: you work cold all day in Pittsburgh. Doesn't sound like 306 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: a plan for longevity, whether it's a transmission or whether 307 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: it's an engine. So my advice go read that article, 308 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: understand a little bit about taps. Maybe you can find 309 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: it on a scan tool. You can see where that's 310 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: gonna take you. But I think the long run, the 311 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: safe repair is going to be too overhaul the trans 312 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: or diagnosed and you know, repair what's wrong. But as 313 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: you say, to do any kind of work on that, 314 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: it's involved. You want to make sure you only have 315 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: to do it once. Uh. I get it. It's a 316 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: seventy thousand mile card, it's fifteen sixteen years old. It 317 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: sounds like it's worth fixing. But let's let's fix it right. 318 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: Let's not Rube Goldberg it I you know, Joe, listen, 319 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm here for you. I'll do whatever I can for you. 320 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: But UM, if it were me, I really try to 321 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: take the time and and and and fix it as 322 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: as best you can. Um the right way one way, 323 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: so you listen, know what you end up doing. Joe 324 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: Motor Magazine, April two thousand nine, talking about transmission shift 325 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: to tap there's great read, great read, and um, it'll 326 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: make the hair on the back of your next stand 327 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: up and saying whole Eco are they involved? I appreciate 328 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: the call, Joe. Good luck to you, Pittsburgh Way. I'm 329 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: running Any of the Car Doctor. We are back right 330 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: after this Welcome back. We're on Any of the Car Doctor, 331 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: you know. Following up on the conversation from the opening segment. 332 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: It may be that the car manufacturers and they likely 333 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: can't get the electronic pieces or their vendors can't get 334 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: the electronic pieces to make up those components to repair 335 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: those modules that we're going to see go bad in 336 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: twenty years and the modules that we're seeing go bad now. 337 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: So it's it's electronics are going to be the choke 338 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: hold on the cars of the present and the cars 339 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: of the future. You'll mark my words, it's going to happen. 340 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: Let's go over somebody who wants to restore a oldie 341 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: but a good eat. Philip in Maine, seventy two Carmen, 342 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Get Phil. Welcome to the car doctor, sir, How can 343 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: I help? Hello, good afternoon. You're in the East Coast, 344 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: I presume somewhere. Okay, Yeah, I got a seventy two 345 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: common gear with the original owner. We bought it in Iceland, 346 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: and uh it's been in the family for since then, 347 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: on and off the storage many times. It's very low 348 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: violets most of the time. And I've been trying to 349 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: find a restorer because it needs some body work, you know, 350 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: panels on the side. But so is The question is 351 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: the question, how do you find somebody. Yeah, I haven't 352 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: found it. Every place I've you know, went on the internet. 353 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: Every place I found is he's on California or the 354 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: Middle West someplace. But I haven't had any luck finding 355 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: someone on the East coast. So that's what I'm trying 356 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: to direct, you know, directly put me in the right direction. Well, 357 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: I can't because I don't know anyone that you know, specifically, 358 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: does Carmen Gie, I don't know too many restorers that 359 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: are left anymore. Most of the good ones have retired 360 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: or died in all honestly. Yeah, that's you know, that's 361 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: that's no line. Um. You know, the fellow that painted 362 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: the fifty five Black Chuck is approaching seventy nine years old, 363 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: and he doesn't paint anymore. He has uh you know, 364 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: he's he's retired, he's hung up his paint gun. Uh. 365 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: You know, if they're doing it for if they're doing 366 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: it for sixty years, and I think that's I think 367 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: that's where a lot of this is going. Are there 368 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: guys out there? Yeah? How do you find them? Well, 369 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's it's it's hanging out at car shows, 370 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: it's listening to everybody, Hey, who did this car? Who 371 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: did that car? One of the things I will tell 372 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: you is less you have people to verify it, going 373 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: to a shop and just listening to the shop alone 374 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: tell you what a great job they do. That doesn't that, 375 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: That doesn't cut it. Listens, everybody always tells you they're great. 376 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're gonna be on time, they're gonna 377 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: be under budget until you hand in the check and 378 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: then you know you don't see the car for two years. Um, 379 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: you know it's an issue. Years ago I listened to 380 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: the company in the island to some place and UHU, 381 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: the prices on the site in the fifteen thousand dollars. 382 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: But we weren't ready to do it. Wait wait, wait, wait, 383 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: wait what do you what do you do? What do 384 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: you think this is going to cost? The restore film? 385 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. You know, Um, 386 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: wells in the family we loven't like I said, new 387 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: in Iceland, and well, regardless of cost two or three 388 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: times what we paid for it new. Um let me 389 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: say it like this film, regardless of where you bought it, 390 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: regardless of what you paid for it, I would expect 391 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: a restoration. Depending upon how much body work. It needs painting, 392 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: the car, polishing, the chrome going through it. Mechanically, you 393 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: could spend forty to fifty grand without even betting. And 394 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: I really, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Phil. It cost it cost me. 395 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: It cost me fo to have the stainless on the 396 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: hot rod buffed and polished. And that was nine that 397 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: was nine years ago. But I had to find the 398 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: right guy that I had to find the right guy 399 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: to do it. That wouldn't hurt it because they were 400 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: one off pieces, they were the original pieces. You almost 401 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: can't put a price tag on restoration. You can't have 402 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: it both ways. Brother, Yeah you can't. You can't. You know, 403 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: I want to do this right, but I want to 404 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: do it cheap. That doesn't work. It's like auto repair. 405 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: Well I understand that. Yeah, we're not too concerned it's 406 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: going to cost because you know this family in all 407 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: over the world Iceland. Well, I just like I said 408 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: you you started out the conversation talking about you think 409 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: it was gonna cost twelve or fifteen thousand dollars and 410 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: you thought that was a lot of money. You said 411 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: that here two minutes ago. So I want to make 412 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: sure your head is screwed on right. Now, go out looking. Um, 413 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I didn't think that was cost a lot. I thought 414 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: we weren't ready to do it at the time. It 415 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: really it really depends on actual condition and the what 416 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: you don't see but it's there, you know, is there 417 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: any rust? If it's been up in Maine for the 418 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: past fifty years? All right? And if you know what 419 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: does it look like in the places you can't see? 420 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: How much of a restoration do you want to do? 421 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: Do you want to do a strip the body down 422 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: to nothing and start over? Do you want to just 423 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: do a rolling restoration? And there's all different levels of it, 424 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: you know. So, But um, I would try car clubs, 425 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: I would try forums, I would talk to people. The 426 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: research all one could take you up to a year. 427 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: I would be I would be diving into Hemmings and seeing, 428 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, who's doing what in Hemmings. Read some of 429 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: the articles there, some of the shops they talk about there. 430 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: There's a few guys in Connecticut. I can't think of 431 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: their names that I've read stories about their shops in Connecticut, 432 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: and I believe there's one in Vermont. Uh. If I 433 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: think of it, I'll mention it. And if the listeners 434 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: have any suggestions somebody to restore something like that, we'll 435 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: talk about it here on air. I'm glad to give 436 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: somebody a plug on air. You have to do the 437 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: research to verify the accuracy of it. But um uh, 438 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's how bad do you want it? 439 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. You can't put a price tag 440 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: on something without even speaking to somebody because every move 441 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: somebody makes. You have to understand when you're doing a 442 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: restoration on an older car, parts show up parts or 443 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: wrong parts going, They don't fit. Parts have to be 444 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: made to fit. This isn't well, we're gonna hang a bumper, 445 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's an hour's worth a shop time. 446 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: It's we're gonna hang a bumper. It didn't fit. We 447 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: gotta take the bumper back off, redrill the whole file, modify, shape, chrome, polish. Whatever. 448 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: It took us seven hours to hang a bumper, you're 449 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: gonna get charged seven hours. That's the way it works. 450 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: It's your You're you're not doing straight up body work 451 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: on the hot rod. If you ever, anybody ever gets 452 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: a chance to see it, look at the tail lights 453 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: on the hot rod. They fit better than they did 454 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: from GM. Absolutely that's because I spent two sundays. I 455 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: moved this, I polished that, I ground this, I drilled 456 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: the whole, I slotted this, I filed that, and I 457 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: made the bezels. I made the tail lights fit just 458 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: right in the body, and then I made the bezel 459 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: around it the gaps around the because I couldn't stand 460 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: GM did such a poor job of making them fit 461 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: back in, and now they fit perfect. So just you know, 462 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: just goofy things like that. What is that worth? And 463 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: that's my point. That's what it's gonna cost. You've got 464 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: to decide to what level of restoration you want. I 465 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: wish you well. Phil s into some pictures if and 466 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: when you ever get it done. Hey, zero the car 467 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: doctors coming back right after this. It's not up and 468 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: all night with me. Hey, welcome back car door. Let's 469 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: go over to John and vermont O five Chrysler. John, 470 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: what's going on with this car? It's the guess cap. 471 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: That's what the book says. If the engine light stays on, 472 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: check everything else. And the gas cap, Well, what's the 473 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: check the gas cap? What's the John? What's the actual fault? John? John? 474 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: Listen to me, John, what's what's the actual fault code. 475 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: What's the actual fault code? Has anybody scanned this? No? Okay, well, 476 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: then you're spending money. You shouldn't spend the check agente light. 477 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: You're you're reading a marketing manual. Okay, it's not an 478 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: owner's manual. It's a marketing manual. It's trying to tell 479 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: you that there's something simple wrong with the car. It's 480 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to tell you something to alleviate your concern over 481 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: your vehicle purchase. That tells you, hey, you don't need 482 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money to fix it. The 483 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: car's broken, all right, if you had to, if you 484 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: had if you had a sore throat, would you automatically 485 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: start taking medicine or would you go to a doctor 486 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: or speak to somebody? Right, same thing, because there's multiple 487 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: reasons why you get a sore throat, right, there's there's 488 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: multiple There's eighteen hundred reasons on average why I check 489 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: engine light comes on on a modern vehicle. Okay, so 490 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: it's until it's scanned. This could be anything from you know, 491 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: a an evaporative emission's fault. It could be an evap 492 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: gas cap related fault. But it may not be the cap. 493 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: It may be the evaporative emission system. It could also 494 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: be an oil pressure sending you a problem, which is 495 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: common on these cars. There are a slew of things 496 00:27:53,280 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: that are common failures. But I did, it didn't last long, 497 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: It didn't help. But John, how I needed grease? John 498 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: put underneath the toilet bees wax? Oh John, John, listen 499 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: to me. How can the John how can the dealers 500 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: say put grease on the gas cap if he hasn't 501 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: even diagnosed it. Well, I don't know if he did 502 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: or not. What did you take the car into him? Yeah? 503 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: I actually work, okay? And and and why did he 504 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: say the fault code was on I I don't remember. 505 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know. I didn't ask him. 506 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: He said, but we greased the gas cap and the 507 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: light one out. Okay. So what you're telling me is 508 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: women womnut womenute. You're telling me you took the car 509 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: into an alleged professional Chrysler dealer, a Chrysler dealer, okay, 510 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: which just means that he was drinking with the Chrysler 511 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: rep and they signed the deal to make himself a dealer. 512 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he's a quality repair facility and I'm not 513 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: saying he is a and I'm just saying, think about 514 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying to me now. And they scanned it, 515 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: and their solution was to put grease on the gas 516 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: cap and if they thought it was a gas cap 517 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: fault instead of replacing it. Why doesn't that sound right? 518 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound right to me. It doesn't sound like 519 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: ow our professional effect that well, what they're what they're 520 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: what they're talking about is if the rubber on the 521 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: gas cap is dried out and rough, grease will help 522 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: see it. Right, Grease will help see it. It's it's 523 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: an over ring. But but there are there are multiple 524 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: reasons why a gas or why a check engine light 525 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: will come on. I'll assume at this point it's for 526 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: an evaporative it's it's for an evaporative as emissions fault, 527 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: UM an evap system failure. But you know they can 528 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: diagnose a bad gas cap. That's pretty simple to do. 529 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: Uh you know, yeah, it didn't right? How did I know? Okay? 530 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Did that? Did that? Did that? Groove up with grease? 531 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: And then I put the way in and heavily agrees 532 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: that and it's hanging in there. It's okay. So What 533 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: that tells me is the gas cap is bad or 534 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: the fuel filler neck is bad. So if we want 535 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: to go on the assumption that it's a gas cap, again, 536 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: it's an assumption. It's a big gas here, all right. 537 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: How about it's not the gas cap. How about it's 538 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: the top of the fuel pipe that the cap sits against. 539 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: If you look at the surface of it, is it 540 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: pitted and rusted or is it pitted and beat up 541 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: from age? The car is fifteen years old? And would 542 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: it take a matter of gently and I put a 543 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: rag and so grit doesn't fall into the tank, but 544 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: stuff the neck so you have a reg so you 545 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: can pull it back out. You'll understand why on a 546 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: second and gently emory paper the top of the neck 547 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: where the fuel neck seals. Wouldn't that make more sense? 548 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: But you know, to keep gas on a to keep 549 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: grease or bees wax on a gas cap. I don't 550 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: think that's how Walter p wanted that car to go 551 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: out the door. Somebody's gotta do some diagnosi in John, 552 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: And you know there's some miscommunication going on here that 553 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So take 554 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: it back to the dealer or take it to a 555 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: repair shop that will talk to you, but you have 556 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: to be willing to listen. I want to stress that fact. 557 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Listening is a big part of the auto repair process. 558 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: A five five five zero nine zero zero. The car 559 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: doctors coming back right after this, welcome back. When I'm 560 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: naming the car doctor here at your service at five 561 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: zero zero, I should point out the five zero zero 562 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: zero phone number is seven. You can call any time 563 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: day or night as we're broadcasting around the country and 564 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: around the world on the internet, on podcast and streaming, 565 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: and Tom Ray, our executive producer, will get you in 566 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: the queue for a live broadcast Saturday afternoons to to 567 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: four pm East Coast time. Let's go over to Lisa 568 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: and Maine oh six camera and there's some problems with 569 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: the key remote. Lisa, Welcome to the Car Doctor. How 570 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: can I help? Well, thank you for taking my call. 571 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: You're welcome. I have an issue with the remote the 572 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: opening the car, unlocking the car, and uh it works 573 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: for a little while. Guy at the garage got a 574 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: going by doing opening the door, turning the key, slamming 575 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: the door, opening the door, and it worked for about 576 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: till three hours and then it just doesn't work anymore. 577 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Stop working. So now my question to you is do 578 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: I have to take it to a Toyota dealer to 579 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: get it reprogrammed or can anybody do it? Well, anybody 580 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: with proper equipment can do it. So so let's let's 581 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: just talk about this a second. First of all, is 582 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: this a Toyota Factor remote setup? This is nothing after market, right, 583 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: These these remotes are right from Toyota. Okay, so have 584 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: your mechanic. Your mechanic must have some kind of information system. 585 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume he's either got all Da or Mitchell 586 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: or something he's got to in this day and age, 587 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: ask him to get his hands on Toyota bulletin E 588 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: isn't Edward Ellis and Larry double oh Nineta. There's a 589 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: Toyota bulletin E L Edward Larry double O nine E 590 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: L E L double O nine O nine right O 591 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: O nine Dash show seven that talks about keyless keyless 592 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: remote function, all right, and it in there. It'll talk 593 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: about making sure that the body computer can see things 594 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: like the the driver's door open and close, and some 595 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: of the switches, what the switches are doing. It's possible 596 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: that the remote aren't working or able to be programmed 597 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: or hold the program because there's a fault in the 598 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: bc M and the body computer. So you know, we 599 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: need to verify all right now, if if both remotes, 600 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: you have two remotes and they both do the exact 601 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: same thing. Uh huh, Lisa, Lisa, do you have two 602 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: remotes one remote or two remotest but they don't work? Right? 603 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: They both do the same thing. Okay, well, that's that's 604 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: a good first step. But the fact that they both 605 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: do it and they both have fresh batteries tells me 606 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: it's likely not the remotes. Now, a properly equipped shop 607 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: with a correct scan tool something dealer level will be 608 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: able to verify the accuracy or the quality of the 609 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: remotes too, or most shops today have tire pressure monitoring 610 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: system tools. They can verify most remote function through those 611 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: as well, to see if they're wireless capability as operational 612 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: as well. I don't think it's the remotes. I think 613 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna find it's going to be in the programming. 614 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: And if it doesn't take programming, it could have anything 615 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: from a bad door receiver to a vc IM problem, 616 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: or perhaps the uh something in between in terms of wiring. 617 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: So let them diagnose it, take a look and go 618 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: from there. I'm not anating in the car doctor, reminding 619 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: you until the next time. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 620 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: To see you