WEBVTT - Molly Kearney 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.480 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.800 on a stage, telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.919 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.160 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.000 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.960 the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They are 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.960 or at your local outlet in your region. My name 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.040 is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.640 I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.520 My guest today is from Cleveland, Ohio, which is a 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.880 city I am very. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.640 Fond of and I like the people of Cleveland, Ohio. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.520 And I suspect I will like Molly Carney very much. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.640 I know I do, and I think you will too. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.520 That was my note to you first, Molly, don't fuck up, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.160 but I mean that in life because you're a youngster. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.759 To me, you're a youngster. Way t you like twenty. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.800 That's well you're now you're being cute. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.160 I'm thirty four, four thirty four really? 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:33.760 Yeah, you know. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.120 I was thirty four when I started on The Drew 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:36.640 Carey Show. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.679 And one of the reasons I wanted to talk to 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.600 you is because you're from Cleveland. I have a great 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.679 deal of affection for the city of Cleveland because of 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.240 being on the Drew Carey Show. Now, when Drew grew 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.040 up in Cleveland, he said, it was pretty it was 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.600 pretty tough at times. Is that your experience too, or 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.280 were you from posh Cleveland? 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.800 I was from West side of Cleveland, like in a suburb, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.040 but like ten minute. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.640 Drive to downtown. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:00.720 It's the suburb. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.640 Well, I grew up in North mp said, went to 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.080 school in Rocky River. Family resides in Lakewood. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 Now Lakewood's posh, isn't it. Yeah. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:10.920 Yeah, it's a little fancy. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.640 Yeah, getting a lot of more. It's becoming more young crowd. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.120 I don't know if I like that. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.680 Yeah, well, I see, I'm sixty two years old, so 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.160 I don't really like young people. You know, you have 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.079 to pretend you do. And I'm reasonable with my kids, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.320 and you seem like you seem like a decent human being. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.320 But I know they seem very literal to me. The 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.600 young people, I don't know. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.560 Yeah, I think they're just buying up the old houses 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.440 and stuff, Yeah, fixing them. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.240 Are you doing that? Are you gentrifying your neighborhood? Where'd 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:40.600 you live? 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.679 I lived in Cleveland. I haven't lived in Cleveland since 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:44.320 I was eighteen. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.680 You go straight to New York to get in Saturday 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.200 Night Live? Was that the thing I did? 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.560 I went to college in Ohio. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:51.600 Would you study? 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.280 I studied whatever could get me out of there to 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:54.840 the fastest. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:55.160 Yeah. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.400 So I did theater. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:57.440 Uh huh. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.200 Never been in a play in my life. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.040 It's okay, that's good practice for when you're an actor. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.560 Yeah, yea yeah, yeah, I'm like all right, no. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.480 But my thesis was like I was the only person 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.320 with my They let me like really be specific with 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:11.840 my major. So I was able to do a one 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.000 one person show for my thesis. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.200 What was the one person show? 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.800 It was just an hour of comedy. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.200 I would do stand up and then I would run 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.920 off the sidelines and change and outfits while I had 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.280 a video playing so that I could keep so I 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.560 would do characters and then like five minutes to stand 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.880 up and then a character and then a video and 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:31.480 then a character. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.080 That's better than well, I do not. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.120 It was probably the most the best thing I've ever created. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.000 And I don't have any footage of it. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.800 Really, I think I have, Like what was it autobiographical? 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.680 Was it because like if you're a kid, you're eighteen 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.560 years old, Like, let's see who are the great comics 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.720 who started early? Eddie Murphy was eighteen nineteen when he 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.440 made Raw, I think. I mean it was like nuts. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.080 Yeah, it must have been twenty twenty or twenty one. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.760 And I came back from I did a semester and 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.920 so of going abroad like the rich kids, I did 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.760 a semester at Second City in. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.720 Chinaga, Chicago. That's abroad to Cleveland. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:06.960 Yeah exactly. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.800 I mean that's like. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.080 There's like five hour drivers something. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.200 Yeah exactly. Yeah. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.800 So I did a semester through Columbia College, the Art 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.400 school that it's like anybody can get in there, right, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.720 But guys, they connected with Second City. So you did 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.839 a semester, so you did like twenty credits or no, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.240 like fifteen credits of comedy writing. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.400 You comedy history, so you just study like Vaudeville and 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:32.640 all that. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.400 That's really interesting to me because you come at it 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.800 as an academic, then it's an academic approach to comedy. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.359 It's a completely completely different experience than my own, which 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.760 was I went into comedy because it was like it 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.919 was like being a real tar. You know, it's like, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.680 it's not really a job anybody wants, but you get 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.280 it and you go, yeah, well it's not that bad, and. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.280 You know, you get chunks of changing in there and 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:55.880 you're like, oh. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.520 Yeah, woah, wow, I made a sale. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.640 You know, it's it's kind of exciting, and then you 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.880 get your if you you know, if you do reasonably well, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.440 you get your photograph at bus stops and stuff like that. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.920 It's kind of exactly like being a realtor. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.159 You're like, if you can hustle as much as you 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.160 want to get to the next level kind of thing. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.799 But it interests me because a lot of the comics. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:18.719 In fact, the reason one of the reasons why I 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.200 like to talk to comics is not because I would 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.040 wish trauma on anyone. But it seems to me that 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.480 for a lot of comedians that I connect to and 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.760 I like doing, comedy is the result of an early 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.320 trauma or an ongoing trauma even Yeah, and they kind 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.320 of they kind of filter it through some kind of 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.960 rage or despair into comedic goal. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.200 That's kind of what I've always thought about it. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.800 Would that be a fair description of you, oh one, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.000 oh so tough early child today, addiction problems maybe something 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:50.440 like that. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.239 Just being gay in a Catholic Irish Catholic, Well that'll 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.000 do it. And then like you know, and then nineties 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.680 and early two thousands, I was gay, but I was 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.640 like ten, fifteen, twenty. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.680 So when you're you're kind of like pre pubescent but 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.880 still like you know who you are already. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.000 Yeah, I mean I remember watching Beauty in the Beast 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.960 and I was like, wow, Belle is a smoke show 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.240 right now, And I was, but. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.120 It's hard to it's kind of hard when you were 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:19.479 a kid. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.120 Because I remember saying when I was like, I know, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.479 I guess I had to be about twenty years old. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.520 I gave for a bit tried it really. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.400 Oh yeah, well look the way I always got it, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.760 the way I always is lest if you say, look, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.960 I don't like chicken fingers, and you go, well, look 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.080 pop one in your mouth. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.560 If you don't like it, then you know, get it out. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.640 Yeah, you just go I don't like chicken fingers. As 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.160 it turned out, I don't like chicken fingers, but I 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.080 thought i'd kive them. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:49.520 I try. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.080 I felt like I was, you know, i'd have an 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.480 open mind about the situation. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.400 But it turned out I love that. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.560 Well that makes me like you more and I liked 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:58.400 you want to walk down. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.599 I don't have any judgment to make on that. Yeah, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.840 I don't have it, and I kind of try. And 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.920 it's not a kind of easy position to have because 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.040 it kind of like it doesn't allow people to get 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:09.680 angry at you. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.679 Yeah, it was just kind of like it was my secret, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.120 and I was like, oh, nobody's gonna accept me if 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.720 I tell anybody. So I remember, like in high school, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.880 you know, I went to an all girls Catholic high school, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.240 and as my dad says, it was worth every penny, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.960 which it was because I loved it. But that's right, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.560 looking back, like when I came out, and I remember 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.000 like lying to my friends not that I couldn't drink 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.800 alcohol because I was afraid that I said I had 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.680 a stomach problem, but I just was afraid to get 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.000 drunk because I was afraid I was going to. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:38.920 Tell you get gay. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.200 Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you mean. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.880 So and then in college, like like I. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.840 Did the opsite, I got drunk, told everyone was gay. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:47.720 I wasn't. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.600 I was like, I was like blowing guys, going this 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.520 is not for me. I just like being friend, Like 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.400 I just want to be around people. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.760 Everybody. Love everybody. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.680 Yeah, well, love all the people. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.600 But that what's kind of interesting is that if you 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.960 are dealing with a like at that level of discomfort, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.280 right like I don't know how to be who. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.400 I am in the world in which I inhabit. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.120 Is the is the standing on a stage of smoke screen, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.040 then is like don't look at that, look at us. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.480 You know, I think it more so I remember starting 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.080 stand up. I was in still in the closet, right 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.480 did stand up for like three years in college, and 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.840 then it was like came out when I was at 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.560 Second City, told my mom. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:38.120 Over the phone. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.400 Everything was ended up fine, but then I started doing 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.120 stand up about being like my life, and like I thought, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.480 I was like ninety percent myself until I came out 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.080 to my family, right, I was like, now I'm one 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.559 hundred percent myself, and so now I can write everything. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.600 I can write about everything in my life, which is 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.120 the funny part, which is me being in the closet. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.640 Well, I think that that's part of being free. Like 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.400 that's what makes me more worry a little bit about 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.720 it seems kind of outdated to call it cancel culture 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.080 or but it makes me worry a little bit about 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.679 the the pressure, particularly young comedians. Old comedians who have 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.640 made their money. Fuck those guys, they were any major money. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.320 You're a professional. You know how to deal with it. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.000 Don't be ridiculous. But young people who are starting out 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.200 thinking I better not talk about that, I think, well, yeah, yeah, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.480 you probably the things you think you better not talk 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:29.680 about are probably things you. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.840 Really want to talk about, you know what I mean. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.559 That's what I think. Anyway. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.400 It's like I always thought the stuff that I ended 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.199 up talking about, it was like I don't really want 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:39.719 to do this bit, but I'll do it. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:40.160 Yeah. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.920 I feel like coming from like you can talk about 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.280 stuff that might be touchy if you have a good 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.880 point of view on it, it's actually funny. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:49.960 The way, right, gotta be funny. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.200 And you know, there's a lot of comics that try 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.679 to do it and it's not funny. Then they just 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.560 look like an asshole. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.560 Well, but that's not you. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.240 There's been and shit comics like I gotta watch this 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.600 because I well, it's I think it's a lot of 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.760 it as well. Is the This reminds me a little bit. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.520 In the nineteen eighties it was a huge comedy boom 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:13.840 and everywhere. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.920 You went it was a chucklehart or a laugh and 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:21.120 or you know yeah, or you know looney bins. Can 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.360 you call a club looney Bins? Now there's still cold 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.960 looney bins. I feel like that's shaming to people. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.960 I don't think so. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.719 But what I mean is it's like you call it 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.280 something like you're a looney? 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.120 Is that I don't know. Maybe I'm just taking it. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:38.200 It's like you're a cuckoo. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.120 You're, yeah, cuckoo. But I think in Britain it might 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.439 be different. It's one of those fanny words, like you know, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:49.320 fanny in Britain is vagina and Fanny in America. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.720 It's just like there's a butt. Yeah, it's just your butt, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.400 like saying but yeah. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.600 But like when I heard people saying, oh, you gave 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.040 him a pattern of Fanny, I'm like, well, now I'm confused. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:04.240 I don't know who anybody and I'm not sure who hit. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.400 But I mean, look, everybody looks great in those paths, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.319 but I don't know who anybody is here. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.280 It's a I'll turned around. It's like looking like a 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:12.120 lego down there. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.800 But I think that I want to get back to 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.560 the idea of doing comedy to deal with trauma because 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.800 I think a lot of people this is what interests 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.440 me about you is that you come in it in 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:30.000 an academic shape, but it's clearly the engine and the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.800 fuel of what you do is to my mind, and 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.280 this is probably a closed mind approach, but to my 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.400 mind is a legit approach to comedy, which is you 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.760 do it because you can't know do it. This is 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.880 why when anybody says to me, you know, I want 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.280 to be a comedian, I would say to them, can 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.400 you be anything else? I? 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.400 Yeah, Sometimes I'm like, why do I need to keep 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:50.920 doing that? 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:51.880 Yeah? 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.480 You know, because it is it's so up and down. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.000 The feeling of it is you're always like chasing a 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.720 healthy drug or something. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.319 It has go addictive qualities. I think. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.160 I think that it has that kind of that feeling 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.439 of why am I doing this again? 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:06.920 Yeah? 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.440 Why am I doing I remember like living in Chicago 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.240 when I was like in my mid twenties, and you know, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.360 I just got into the laugh Factory and like I 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.920 was doing the Annoyance and the Comedy Bar, and there 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.840 was so many independent shows and it was awesome. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.480 It was like you could do two shows a night, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:25.920 three shows a night every night. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.520 It was amazing, right, And I remember I would go 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.880 to lave Factory and I was a never I would 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.480 never do very well at clubs back then, Like I 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.840 was more of like a independent, like cool, like like 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.160 a there would be more queer people at those independent 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.040 shows than there would be at the regular clubs, right, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.880 And I would just bomb at the lat Factory and 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.040 I remember just walking home crying every single time, and 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.080 I'd be like, why am. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.120 I doing this? 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.720 I think that, but that that's a real comedian. I mean, look, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.080 if you talk to a real any legitimate comedian, and 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:00.360 my my perception of it and look, mine is, but 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.920 it's my only view. It is the every comedian bombs, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.360 and that's why I think it has an addictive quality 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.439 because you bomb and you go like a normal person 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.320 doesn't go back, you know, if you go up there 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.640 and you have the ritual, like serious public humiliation. But 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.800 people are literally in my case, certainly in the earlier 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.040 throwing things at me. And I'm thinking, yeah, but you 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:28.760 gotta get up there. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.760 Yeah, You're like, like, but you just keep trying because 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:33.800 maybe they'll taste different. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.560 Yeah, it's the chicken fingers thing, but this is even 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.320 the chicken fingers. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.080 I was like, no, I get it. It's just I 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:40.720 don't need to go. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:41.679 Back to the healthy boundary. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:42.959 You know, I have had. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.120 Said I've talked to gay friends since gay Man says, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.959 you said, look, it was just the wrong penis, and 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:47.559 I'm going. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.520 No, it wasn't. It wasn't the wrong penis. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.440 It's it's like, I know they vary, but they don't 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.360 vary that much. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.280 You know more than me. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.720 I'm telling you are you? Are you platinum? 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.079 Just a gold star? 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:02.480 Good for you? 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.720 But I'm. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.079 Not all right. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.680 I do have friends that are like, do you know 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.040 have done dabbled in most of my friends, but I'm like, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:14.920 absolutely not. No. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.720 I look, if you know what you like, and you 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.040 know you know what you like, it's fine. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.000 I mean, there's plenty of people that know right away 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.000 you don't need to bow to society pressure. But inside 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.040 the like if you're saying, well, I'm doing shows in 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.880 front of predominantly queer audiences and I'm doing grey but 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.760 in front of the kind of more like Saturday night crows, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.840 it's it's a difficult thing. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.960 Why did you keep going back to the Saturday night crowds? 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.400 Because I knew I could get them. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.800 I just needed to learn to tweak jokes and maybe 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.200 write well. Actually it was a great learning lesson because 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.040 then I was like, Okay, you know, now that I've 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.120 been doing for so long, I don't catered audiences, but 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.040 sometimes you do because you're like, oh, I'll do a 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.880 lot of my queer jokes for the Queer Strip show 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.080 or whatever. And then it kind of forced me to 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.320 write about like more. I went in depth, like my 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.680 family members and uh, childhood stories of like me as 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.480 a kid, and that was more like universal. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:10.760 Yeah. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.360 Yeah, when I actually wrote a lot of great material 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.520 that I'm proud of from having to challenge myself to 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.200 go to those more clubby spaces. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.880 Do you come from a big family. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:29.800 I do. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.040 I come from a very big family, and we're all 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:37.040 really tight, like I'm Reds, like my cousins are like 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.680 my We feel like immediate family. We share a house 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.320 and uh on the lake and we use it all 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:44.960 year around, like when I go show that. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.360 On Saturday Night Live, when you did that all that 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.240 kind of stuff. You guys take a turkey around town and. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.560 Yeah, Thanksgiving is a big, big time of year for us. Yeah, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.760 but we like whenever I go home. That's how That's 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.760 how it is. It's like that many people. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:02.560 It seems very healthy. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.200 It seems very kind of well that that's kind of 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.640 interesting to me because it seems supportive and comfortable. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.680 Yeah, so why, on asked, did. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:12.360 You do comedy? 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:12.560 Then? 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.280 If things are supportive and comfortable, just a reaction to 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:17.640 being closeted, do you think. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:18.280 That's what it do? 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.440 I think it was like I just was traumatized by 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.080 my I made myself think these crazy things and I 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.920 was I'm an anxious kid, like I went to I 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.720 saw therapists in kindergarten because I had school phobia. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.000 I always thought my. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.040 Parents were gonna die when I when they left me, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.640 like when they went out on a date night. Yeah, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.120 and like my mom's sibling, one of my aunts or 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.160 uncles to stay with us. I was like, when my 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.520 parents walk out that door, they're going to die. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.400 That's that's an interesting reaction to it. I wonder where 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:45.920 that's from. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.480 I don't know. I still have like obviously, I've been 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.560 in therapy for a long time and I'm me too. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.280 I'm a big Fanily Yeah, I love it. Yeah, that's great. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.320 I'm like, whoa, let's good. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:56.880 It's got to be a good therapist. Do you get 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.160 the wrong therapist. It's like the wrong chicken fingers, you 0:16:59.160 --> 0:16:59.680 know what I'm saying. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fortunate. I'm in a good spot 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.040 right now. But yeah, I think it was just I'm 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.520 I'm very anxious person. I was an anxious kid. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.720 That's a shame. Mm hmm Are you are you anxious? 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:12.800 Not? 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.360