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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis codenamed Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. Folks, if you're listening now, congratulations, you

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Speaker 3: have survived what Corporate America calls Q one of twenty

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Speaker 3: But you know, we don't get in the c suit

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Speaker 2: And if you're listening to this right now, hopefully you

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Speaker 2: Oh you're watching it as you roll this audio?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right on. I actually sent a note to to

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Speaker 3: our crew earlier today where I asked wherein. I asked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and NASA's launching three rockets at the moon's shadow,

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Speaker 3: And sernin cern is just.

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Speaker 2: Kicking back up now because they had problems earlier and

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Speaker 3: Should we be concerned? Check out that episode. While you're

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Speaker 3: looking at that, we've got to talk about some very

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Speaker 3: big things. There's a hawk in the sky. There's a

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Speaker 3: problem with three bodies, but maybe it's two. There's a

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Speaker 3: maybe we start here with did you like that one?

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Speaker 4: Matt?

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Speaker 2: I did because I only know it because I've heard

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Speaker 2: you say it before. And I just imagine how many

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Speaker 2: just said? But that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Skin, yeah, books that have some skin in the game,

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Speaker 3: quite literally. Before we get to all of that, we

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Speaker 3: have an important important piece of news code named doc.

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Speaker 3: Could we get some like breaking news kind of sound perfect? God,

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Speaker 3: you're amazing at this, all right. So for a while back,

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Speaker 3: we have been talking about something called on the streets

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Speaker 3: Havanah syndrome. Do we want to give a quick and

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Speaker 3: dirty description of what Havannah syndrome is?

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Speaker 4: So not unlike Golf War syndrome.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not people who are on the front

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Speaker 5: lines of a conflict per se. But I believe it

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Speaker 5: was some diplomats that were stricken with this potentially due

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Speaker 5: to an unknown source, whether it be a weapon of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, astute, perfect and succinct. We talked about this. I

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Speaker 3: think we did an actual episode on this. The idea

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Speaker 3: was that not just ambassadors or consular officers, but their

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Speaker 3: families were being targeted by some sort of thing that

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Speaker 3: tierpoint nol, just like Gulf War syndrome, left them with

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Speaker 3: debilitating medical conditions that they could not quite explain, nor

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Speaker 3: indeed could these conditions be properly diagnosed by medical professionals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've covered in several episodes over the years. And

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Speaker 2: then in September twenty two we did an episode with

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Speaker 2: Jack O'Brien, Yes, where we did the thing we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: where it was kind of I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, Jack O'Brien, Thank you, Matt. Jack O'Brien notable fan

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Speaker 3: of Corvid's congratulations Jack, and I wish you well on

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Speaker 3: your journey. Jack is also the creator of crack dot

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Speaker 3: com and the creator of Daily's Eye, Guy's friend of

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Speaker 3: I and this show. We went back and forth on

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Speaker 3: the nature of Havana syndrome, and we left it with

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Speaker 3: the idea remind me here, Matt. We left it here

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Speaker 3: with the idea that perhaps it was psychosomatic.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was Jack's conclusion on the show.

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Speaker 3: news came out. So sixty Minutes recently recently aired something

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Speaker 3: The Insider. This joint investigation by journalists by Civi's found

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Speaker 3: that the things being called ah i's or anomalous health

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Speaker 3: evidence of a Russian made weapon. So let's start there

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the way we've been thinking it might

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Speaker 2: No, nothing is Jack. Jack was using some of the

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Speaker 2: It's just it's what it felt like when the story

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Speaker 2: I know how many years ago that was, but like

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And also we we also can't say enough

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Speaker 3: good stuff about that conversation. Please listen back, because we

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Speaker 3: applying the same critical interrogation that we apply to any

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Speaker 3: Think of it like a laser composed of sound, right,

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Speaker 3: generate extreme discomfort, but that may not be lasting. We

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Speaker 3: seems pretty apparent they correlate the attacks to presence of

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Speaker 3: to check with you, guys. Do you think Havana syndrome

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the what is the actual method to

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Speaker 3: Yes, the precedent of this weapon. Mm hmmm, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: right on the money. It's not outside of the realm

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Speaker 3: it looks like, I don't know again, listening back to

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Speaker 5: That, like you know, with the tests or the things

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Speaker 3: Well that was our assumption, Noel's right, that was our

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Speaker 3: assumption in that conversation. We may have been incorrect, well.

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Speaker 2: Because then we learned Look, man, we learned about the

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Speaker 2: sphere in Las Vegas and how they can beam audio,

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Speaker 2: Man, everybody went to see you two last night as

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Speaker 2: experiencing Havana syndrome, that's weird. No, I guess it feels

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Speaker 3: so as we were saying Insider der Spiegel in sixty minutes,

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Speaker 3: they have uncovered. Let's give you the full story. Insider,

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Speaker 3: March thirty first, twenty twenty four. Roman Dobra Kotov, Cristo

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Speaker 3: Grosev and Michael Weiss or Vice. They they published this

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Speaker 3: collaboratively and they have the following new evidence links the

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Speaker 3: like militarized CIA. Okay, okay, they're the type to try

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Speaker 3: some sort of Goldberg esc way to kill Castro. You know,

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Speaker 3: the CIA came up with all those ACME level bugs

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Speaker 3: wearing ties, and they're What we found in these investigations

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Speaker 3: reading about these investigations is that one, Russia does have

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Speaker 3: We also found that numerous Western folks were onto these programs.

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Speaker 3: Believe that this non lethal acoustic weaponry has traversed the

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Speaker 4: This one, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: We've got think we've talked about this particular tome of

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Speaker 5: we often think of like horrorfic atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis,

439
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 5: or we know they made you you're talking about lampshades, lampshades, wallets,

440
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 5: what have you. And then of course things like that

441
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 5: that were perpetrated by folks like Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killers.

442
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 5: And the way he's talking about this, that this guy

443
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 5: who did this, it doesn't really smack of academia. Smacks

444
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: a little more of weird fetishism to me. I don't

445
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 5: know about you guys, but you know the idea of

446
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: the Human book about a human soul deserve to have

447
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: a human covering. And to your point, Matt, who is

448
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 5: this woman and who asked her if this was okay

449
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Speaker 5: for her to be made into a book for like

450
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Speaker 5: rich people to trade around, especially when she probably died

451
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: in poverty and you know, pain and mental anguish. It

452
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: just seems wrong.

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Speaker 2: It gets into a weird discussion if you, if you

454
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Speaker 2: pull it all the way out, and it makes me

455
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: think about these policies that many cities have that prevent

456
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Speaker 2: churches and other organizations and even individuals from doing things

457
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: like providing food for unhoused individuals, right or when they

458
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: won't allow what I'm saying is the way, Yeah, they

459
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: won't allow it. The way that society still views the

460
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Speaker 2: least of us and the way well, I mean, really, that's.

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Speaker 5: Even the least of us who can't get into an

462
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Speaker 5: Ivy League school, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's an.

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Speaker 5: Othering adherent to that whole designation and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I guess what I mean is that

466
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: quote that you had before about the time when science,

467
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: what is it the desire to explore science.

468
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Speaker 5: Curiosity sort of outpaced or at the very least, outweigh

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Speaker 5: the you know what's right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we've ever fully escaped that. I

471
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: think we have many institutions that have and individuals that have,

472
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Speaker 2: but I think overall there's something unfortunately human about this

473
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Speaker 2: entire thing exploring because we can and going to those

474
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Speaker 2: lengths because someone's going to and then some you know,

475
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Speaker 2: some younger mind decides.

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Speaker 4: To you know, it's interesting too.

477
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Speaker 5: Part of the controversy around this was a blog post

478
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Speaker 5: with an excerpt from a book by Megan Rosenbloom called

479
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Speaker 5: Dark Archives, The Librarians Investigation into the Science and History

480
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 5: of Books Bound in Human Skin and sorry I've been

481
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 5: I started to say it, but I didn't get to it.

482
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: The term that made Matt giggle is anthropodermic bibliopogy, and

483
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: there was a post on a Harvard blog that referenced

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Speaker 5: this book, Dark Archives, by Megan Rosenbloom, who is an

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Speaker 5: expert on that very subject, anthropodermic bibliopogy. Rosenbloom is also

486
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Speaker 5: a part of the Anthropodermic Book Project, which to your

487
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: point been, you know, there are numerous examples of things

488
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Speaker 5: that might be this to test the origins determine if

489
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Speaker 5: they are in fact human skin. They have confirmed eighteen

490
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Speaker 5: books to have been actually bound in human skin. And

491
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: this drew a lot of negative comment from other folks

492
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Speaker 5: in the academic community, one of whom was Paul need Him,

493
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Speaker 5: a retired librarian who had worked at Princeton, and he

494
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Speaker 5: said the blog post should be deleted because I guess

495
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: the blog post was just referencing the society and the

496
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Speaker 5: search for these types of books as sort of a

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Speaker 5: academic pursuit of value and one that isn't problematic. And

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00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: he felt as though by publishing this on their website

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Speaker 5: they were co signing it and Harvard, you know, that

500
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Speaker 5: kind of co sign carries a whole heck of a

501
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: lot of weight. And he said this although preservation is

502
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Speaker 5: a central responsibility of libraries and museums. It is not

503
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Speaker 5: one isolated from wider questions of ethics. And he wrote

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00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 5: this in the New York Review of Books. There are

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Speaker 5: times when the good of preservation must be weighed against

506
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: other compelling responsibilities. And that original post that he was

507
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: critiquing has now since been deleted. And now, of course

508
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: this is what's happening with the book. They're going to

509
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: give it some kind of imagine. It'll be some sort

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Speaker 5: of burial in keeping with what they historically believe might

511
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Speaker 5: have been the wishes of this individual, which you know,

512
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Speaker 5: I would think would be a little bit hard to

513
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Speaker 5: know for sure.

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00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's very.

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Speaker 5: Very interesting to have one more little quote from Tom Hiree,

516
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Speaker 5: a librarian at Harvard, who said this in a news

517
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Speaker 5: release about getting rid of this from the collection. The

518
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: core problem with the volumes creation was a doctor who

519
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 5: didn't see a whole person in front of him and

520
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 5: carried out an odious act of removing a piece of

521
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: skin from a deceased patient, almost certainly without consent, and

522
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Speaker 5: used it in a book binding that has been handled

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Speaker 5: by many for more than a century. And I don't

524
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: know this is true or not. But the Internet today

525
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: guys reported on this. They were joking around, and this

526
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Speaker 5: is the kind of thing you could do in a library.

527
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Speaker 4: You got it.

528
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 5: If you're taking a tour and or maybe you're studying

529
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Speaker 5: this kind of stuff, people probably got to handle it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if it's in the collection and you ask,

531
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Speaker 5: you probably have to put on some gloves.

532
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Speaker 4: But I bet they passed this thing around.

533
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Speaker 2: That would make sense.

534
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

535
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 5: So anyway, he just concludes saying, we believe it's time

536
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Speaker 5: the remains be put to rest. I don't know, Ben,

537
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: I think you have some really really great points. And

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Speaker 5: we've talked about this, you know, on and off throughout

539
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: the years, about consent when it comes to what happens

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Speaker 5: with our bodies after we die. I mean, there are

541
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Speaker 5: some people that could care less. We always joke about

542
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 5: the Frank Reynolds character on Always Sunnying Philadelphia saying just

543
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 5: throw me in the trash. You know, there are some

544
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: people that don't believe the kind of corporeal body matters

545
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 5: after you die.

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Speaker 4: But we know also that so.

547
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Speaker 5: Many wars have been waged and so many have died

548
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 5: in the name of you know, the afterlife and the

549
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: name of religion and what happens to a body after

550
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: one's death can have a lot of impact on what

551
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Speaker 5: people believe will happen to their soul in the afterlife.

552
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: So anyway, well done on that. And I don't know, Matt,

553
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: and do you have anything else to add. I think

554
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: I've kind of said all I had to say on

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 5: this one. I feel like this is a good thing.

556
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 5: I feel like to your point, Matt, this is the

557
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 5: Harvard taking. You're taking the steps to lead by example

558
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: and maybe get a little bit out of that mindset

559
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Speaker 5: that you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Matt.

561
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a move in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you should throw anybody's body in the

563
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: trash if I'm just being honest. And I you know, yeah,

564
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Speaker 3: we've talked about this at length, that book in particular.

565
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: To be clear, none of us, the four of us

566
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Speaker 3: recording today and you listening along at home, none of

567
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: us have actually read the book.

568
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've never read a book and thought this would be

570
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Speaker 3: better if a human sacrifice their skin to bind it.

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Speaker 5: I guess that's why it just does it. All the

572
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 5: stuff from the doctor that don this just kind of

573
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: has a little bit of a creepy vibe to it.

574
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 5: There's really no as an artifact. It's just kind of

575
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: a weird, creepy curiosity. It's not representative of any like

576
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 5: ancient culture or anything that is of value academically speaking.

577
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 5: It's just something a likely very wealthy doctor decided to

578
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 5: do with a cadaver he had laying around from grad school,

579
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 5: which is just strange in and of itself. And by

580
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: the way, this was donated and this kind of tracks

581
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 5: too for what we're talking about here by an air

582
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 5: to the stetson hat dynasty. Just something about that tickles me,

583
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 5: and in the wrong way.

584
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Speaker 2: Nobody likes a wrong tickle.

585
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: No, definitely not the bad tickle. Now, all I'm saying

586
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: is I got again. I'm not trying to stereotype, but

587
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: for some reason, I picture the stetson hat folks as

588
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: maybe being of that echelon of wealthy that would maybe

589
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: get a gas out of trading and you know, human

590
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 5: remains just as a flex.

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00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: Call it a hot take.

592
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: Let's say a quick break.

593
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Speaker 5: We'll be back with one more piece of strange news,

594
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 5: and we've returned.

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna split this up into two quick things. Here

596
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: we go. Number one, the Three Body Problem one of

597
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 2: the biggest shows on Netflix right now on streamers. There's

598
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: some strange news revolving around one of these bodies, and

599
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: there's about speak about it. There's gonna be a second

600
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: one very soon.

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Speaker 5: For episodes in Loving it. By the way, you guys

602
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 5: we talked about it when we were traveling this week,

603
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: and you guys have both binged it and I am

604
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: really quite enjoying it.

605
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no spoilers. Do watch it if you get a chance,

606
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: because it is pretty great. Here's the news. We're gonna

607
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: tell you about two individuals. The first one is the

608
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: victim in this story. His name is Lynn Chi. I

609
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: think that's how you would say his name, Lnqi. This

610
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: person is the founder and chairman of a company called

611
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: u Zoo Games. That's Yoozo.

612
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: This is a.

613
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: Company out of China. They're a game maker, publisher. They

614
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: do all kinds of stuff. They also control a bunch

615
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: of intellectual property, including that of the Three Body Problem

616
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: book series, or the book series that is named that.

617
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: It's been stylized a bit in the US with the

618
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: number three rather than the word three very late, very late.

619
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh yes. He's also known as the quote billionaire millennial.

620
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Speaker 2: This person, lyn Chi, was thirty nine years old and

621
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: had a net worth of around nine hundred and forty

622
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: one million dollars US at the time of his death

623
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: on December twenty fifth, twenty twenty, So right on the

624
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: cusp of being a billionaire. But my goodness, Like this

625
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: guy had a lot of money, is very successful. The

626
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: other person we're going to talk about is currently a

627
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: convicted murderer. His name is shu Yao. That's x u Yao.

628
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: This person was, or at least is described as a

629
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Speaker 2: quote distinguished attorney at one point. He's also the former

630
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Speaker 2: chief risk officer at that same company, yu Zoo Games.

631
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Speaker 3: Also, Matt, we got a pause real quick, Yeah, because

632
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: a lot of folks don't understand cro chief risk officer.

633
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what do we think that is? Guys, it's

634
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: an attorney. That's like, how risky is this attorney said?

635
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: It's not lea from take it.

636
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's our exposure?

637
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: But he was a high up person when he first

638
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: joined the company back in twenty seventeen. He then moved

639
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: up in the company, like basically moving into a leadership

640
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: position in a subsidiary that we're going to talk about.

641
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: It but this is what we know about the story.

642
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: According to Kelly ng who's writing for BBC News, so

643
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Lynn and Sue were apparently on good terms when they

644
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: were working together in twenty seventeen. The subsidiary that she

645
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: was working for was specifically charged with securing some kind

646
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: of intellectual property rights deals and film adaptations, moving this

647
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: three body problem again we say IP or intellectual property,

648
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: moving it into other avenues, other mediums, right, that's what

649
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: he's trying to do. He was tasked with doing it.

650
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: He worked directly and very closely with Lynn she while

651
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Speaker 2: trying to broke her some kind of deal, and eventually

652
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: they got in a room with Netflix and they did

653
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: a really great job that two men in their respective

654
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: teams successfully landed an absolutely redonculous Netflix deal in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: The first season that is out right now that we've

656
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Speaker 2: been talking about on this show cost around one hundred

657
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: and sixty million bucks for US for eight episodes. It

658
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: got but listen, it got released on March twenty first,

659
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and it topped the most watched list

660
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: on Netflix the following week, the week of March twenty fifth,

661
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: with fifteen point six million views, which is miss Squid Game.

662
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's good because it's worthy. What's up with

663
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 4: this other thing?

664
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: This other through the three body there's another version of

665
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: it that's on another network that I keep seeing.

666
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: There's an earlier Chinese adaptation.

667
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: What it is?

668
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, it seems like it was a little bit

669
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 5: of brand confusion. I'm starting to mean to derail but

670
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 5: a dero. But I was just wondering if they were related,

671
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 5: and then I read the description and it does appear

672
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: that it's a different version of it.

673
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different version of fewer deaths.

674
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I don't know anything about that one.

675
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: I mean fewer off stage.

676
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh understood. Okay, so the whole thing. I'm assuming Yuzuo

677
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: Games probably broker that deal as well, unless they acquired

678
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: the rights after that series was made, which is possible.

679
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm just uncertain on that. But anyway, it's a weird,

680
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: mirror and smoke filled series of rooms. When it comes

681
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: to intellectual property rights and film adaptations and streaming services,

682
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: it's very weird.

683
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Especially across international borders.

684
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly. You can have a completely different thing

685
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: in another country and you could, you know, as someone

686
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: who was basically licensing a property like this book series,

687
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: you could get paid you know, a bunch for However,

688
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: many countries decide to take it up, which is weird. Okay,

689
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: So let's go back to lin and Shoe. They fell

690
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: out when Linn put some other executives in charge of

691
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: the business operations that Shoe was at one time in

692
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: charge of. So they basically had an inter office problem

693
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: or whatever it was.

694
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: Because business disagreement for one.

695
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Reason or another. This person that helped land the deal

696
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: got pushed out. Okay, and Shoe. According to some of

697
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: the reports that came out some of the trial documents,

698
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: because this is a part of a huge trial that's

699
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: been ongoing for quite a while now, since twenty twenty one,

700
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: some of the reports say that Shoe set up an

701
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: entirely new company in Japan to acquire what are quoted

702
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: here as a lethal substances read poisons, and then even

703
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: tested those substances on animals, like funded testing on animals

704
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: with these substances. Then Shoe disguised these substances after he

705
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: found out they worked as probiotic pills and gave them

706
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: to his boss Linn. She or I guess his friend,

707
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: his acquaintance, whoever it was. I don't know what their

708
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: relationship was towards the end there, but he gave them

709
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: to Lynn, and Linn began taking them, thinking, oh, these

710
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: are pills my friend gave me. Lynn then checks himself

711
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: into the hospital because he's feeling super unwell after taking

712
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: these pills. And he was, you know, not feeling well,

713
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: but initially stable, but then his condition got worse and

714
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: worse and worse, until he eventually died ten days after

715
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: being admitted to the hospital on Christmas Day twenty twenty,

716
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: at the age of thirty nine. Insane. Insane that this occurred.

717
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: It's also insane that this person a shoe was picked

718
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: up almost immediately because there there were I guess rumors

719
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: there were things going on, and then there was some

720
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: hard evidence that was discovered quickly went through this huge trial.

721
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: And this is the craziest part to me, Guys like

722
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: some kind of weird the timing of it. He was

723
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: sentenced to death the day after three Body Problem hit Netflix.

724
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: Well, you got to make sure it works first, you know,

725
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: they're done.

726
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: With them, so rewrites or something.

727
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: Why does Netflix never get to season two? Getting kidding

728
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: inappropriate people.

729
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: That had not heard of any of this. That's it's true.

730
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: It's all true.

731
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: Poison them over a business disagreement.

732
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: Everything that is true. Depth to it, Yeah.

733
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: There's depth. There's pre so much pre metas, so many

734
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: actions that had to have been taken for it to

735
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: even occur.

736
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: Right, and also sloppy, isn't it? Well?

737
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

738
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: I guess it was slot. I mean, I guess, I

739
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: don't know. I didn't I haven't actually gone deep into

740
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: the trial documents to look at what was actually shown,

741
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: like what evidence did they have? But it does feel

742
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: like one of those things that I don't know, for

743
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: a professional squabble. It's a it's an insane length to

744
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: go and he's now sentenced to death. This is the

745
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: thing I forgot, y'all. Several people who also worked in

746
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: the Yuzu game's offices got sick because there were beverages

747
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: in one of the shared coolers that were apparently also poisoned.

748
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: None of them died, but still, how horrifying is that

749
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: this person or someone working for this person allegedly also

750
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: put poisoned drinks in a common cooler.

751
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: Right, because the idea that this I'm really glad you

752
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: brought up the coworkers, Matt, because this shows us a

753
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: little bit more about premeditation in some ways, clearly an

754
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: un stable actor. But the the from what I understand,

755
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: the fatal dosage is cumulative. Right, so this guy was

756
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: taking more than one you know, magic probiotic pill or whatever,

757
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: and perhaps the revenge motivation was such that they rationalized themselves.

758
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: Anyone can drink this and get a little sick. But

759
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: let me target this guy's favorite drinks, you know, his

760
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: cherry coke zeros or his phantas or whatever, and then uh,

761
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: if he drinks enough of these and I can sell

762
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 3: them on these probiotics, then I'll get them. And clearly

763
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: it's a terrible thing to do. It was a terrible plan.

764
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly didn't work out for him. So officially,

765
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, there are now two bodies that will be

766
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: associated with the three body problem. One that is our

767
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: one persons deceased, and one who will be deceased. His

768
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: time will be up. It just hasn't happened yet.

769
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 5: Quick question about the how these types of convictions work.

770
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 5: Does the legal system typically work pretty quickly in China?

771
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 5: Like if you're saydence to death, are there is there

772
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: an appeals process, Could it's get dragged out the way

773
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: it does here in the United States, or is it

774
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 5: pretty much like pretty efficient and quick.

775
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

776
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: It depends, to be honest. I mean it also depends

777
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: in the US or in Japan. No, he is currently

778
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: the murder is currently incarcerated on the Chinese mainland.

779
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: Correct, shut Gal is in prison. He has been for

780
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: quite a while.

781
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because this all goes down a

782
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. Right, So he's like in his

783
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: early forties now, is that correct?

784
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty nine. He was also thirty nine when all

785
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: of this went down, right.

786
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Thankfully I cannot speak with authority on that. We

787
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: do know that it appears the case is pretty ironclad.

788
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: It does appear like it does appear that he did it.

789
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the trial's over. He's he was just now sentenced.

790
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, guys? You yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I.

791
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: Guess that is. You know, we know that you have

792
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: to be sentenced here. A lot of people sit on

793
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 4: death row for many, many, many years.

794
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 5: I'm just like, not like rooting for him to get killed,

795
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: but I'm just curious about if it works similarly there

796
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 5: if it's a little bit more you know, open and

797
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 5: shut and not any opportunities.

798
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: It strikes me that it might be.

799
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: But well, that's a great question, like how does the

800
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: appeals process work and doesn't exist in that nation?

801
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: Unsure? But guys, let's stay in prison for this next

802
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: quick story.

803
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: I've been trying out of prison so long. Maybe bring

804
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: it closer to home.

805
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: Matt, Let's do it, guys. Operation sky Hawk.

806
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 5: Is that that thing from Batman movie where they put

807
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: the they extract him with the sky god.

808
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: Damn, I know, I was just teasing.

809
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: I like Operation Skyhawk could give me a dost, give

810
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: us some awesome music, ragular, It is all right. So,

811
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Operation Skyhawk is an ongoing investigation that started in November

812
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and it culminated on Thursday, March twenty eighth,

813
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. While we were we were on a

814
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: little work Vaca.

815
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 4: Guys.

816
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: Hey, not on air, not on air, man, but not

817
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: on air.

818
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: But we weren't here in Georgia. I'm just saying. When

819
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: this went down, that's when search and arrest wars were

820
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: served at two locations in the Metro Atlanta area quote,

821
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: effectively shutting down a sophisticated multi state criminal enterprise that

822
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: included civilians, inmates, and correction staff. What was this enterprise doing,

823
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: you may be asking yourself, Well, they were using aerial

824
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: drones to move cell phones, drugs, and weapons into several

825
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: Georgia Department of Corrections facilities.

826
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: And you might also ask yourself what's the difference between criminals,

827
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 3: correction office and civilians? Hell of a, then diagram.

828
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, I said whatever, I don't know,

829
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: And guys, there were one hundred and fifty people arrested,

830
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: including eight Georgia Department of Corrections employees. There were over

831
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: a thousand total charges, including contraband introduction. Whatever that is

832
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: just bringing contraband in I guess to a yes facility.

833
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: Contraband introduction can technically be a book that is not

834
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: greenlit by the prison system.

835
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh snap, what is that Silent Summer? What was that book?

836
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: Silent Spring? That's the contraband body from Uh. There's also

837
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: drug trafficking charges and charges for felons in possession of firearms,

838
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: which is a no no in the books.

839
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: So wait, so are they just are they droning this

840
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: into the yard?

841
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: Oh snap? Oh I thought Sorry, I thought you were

842
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: making a play on droning. Yes, that is what they're doing.

843
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, are they shoegazing?

844
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're using drune harsh noising.

845
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: But here's why there are eight corrections facility officers taken in.

846
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Why do you think guys, Oh I didn't see that

847
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 2: drone or oh I know exactly where that drone's going.

848
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: That's when I'm on watch in this sector or whatever.

849
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: JDC is super underpaid, yeah, and it's very difficult to

850
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: work as a corrections officer just to be fair, so

851
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: they probably want to make a little extra money.

852
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh, one thousand percent, one thousand percent. We don't know all,

853
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: We don't know everything. This just went down. There are

854
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: RICO charges involved, guys. Yes, there are also PICCIGA charges

855
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: that's participation in criminal gang activity charges associated with this.

856
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: And according to the Governor's Office here in Georgia, this

857
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: quote may end up being the largest gang related RICO

858
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: in Georgia's history so far. Yeah, there's a total street

859
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: value for all the contraband things that are picked up

860
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: of seven million, eighty seven drones, twenty two weapons, two

861
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three contraband cell phones, and one hundred

862
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: and eighty civilian cell phones. Who knows the difference? I don't.

863
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: We'll find out someday. Also a crap ton of tobacco,

864
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of marijuana, bunch of meth and ecstasy.

865
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 5: Do you have a sense of how these things were

866
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 5: loaded down and like distributing these packages? It just seems

867
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: like a very conspicuous way of delivering these Ah.

868
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything in the reporting about what it

869
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: looked like. I didn't see any pictures of a drone.

870
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: We don't have the specifics.

871
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 4: Can we conjecture it for a minute.

872
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 5: Are we to assume that someone on the inside is

873
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 5: meeting this thing as it descends and then unpacking it.

874
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 5: And then it just seems like it would be so

875
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 5: obvious with all of the observation towers and things like that,

876
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 5: to get one of these things over the fence.

877
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: Probably an air drop, because you don't want you don't

878
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 3: want to risk landing the drone and trying to take

879
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: it off again.

880
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that would get everybody caught. Right, because where

881
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 2: did the drones come from? We have an answer, guys

882
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: from WSBTV. There's a place called Thunder Drones. It is

883
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: in Georgia. It's in Norcross. You can go to their website.

884
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: It still exists and you can see that across the

885
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: street from Thunder Drones there is a microcenter. You guys

886
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: familiar with microcenter.

887
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like computery type stuff.

888
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real good place to procure I'm gonna

889
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 2: call them contraband cell phones.

890
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 3: Don't blow up.

891
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's done.

892
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: It's blown. Yeah.

893
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: According to WSB and Mark Wynn, who was reporting for them,

894
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: this company was caught up in one of the raids

895
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: and there were a bunch of drones that were from

896
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: that facility that were used in this operation. And it

897
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: is just a it's a whole mess that one of

898
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: the people working there, I think probably the owner operator,

899
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: I cannot confirm that or not, but it's someone associated

900
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: with Thunder Drones named Robert Schwartz is now like going

901
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: through it and he's accused of using his drones to

902
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: take the contraband in. There's way more to this story.

903
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: You can look up a ton on it. It is

904
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff, but for now we're going to keep our

905
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: eyes and ears open. We hope you do.

906
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 3: Two.

907
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: But as the all powerful. Yogurt once said, May the

908
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: Schwartz be with you, Robert, because you should never underestimate

909
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: the power of the schwartz. And also, I see your

910
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 2: schwartz is as big as mine. Let's see how well

911
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: you handle it.

912
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: Yet, never cross the schwartz isn't yes, but do cross

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Speaker 3: paths with us. Let us know your favorite book, Bounded

914
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Speaker 3: Human Skin. Let us know how you think AI is doing,

915
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: especially with Lavender targeting civilians in the Middle East. Did

916
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: you know Oregon has Oregone has recriminalized drugs? Shout out

917
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,000
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918
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: us know what you think of Operation Skyhawk, all this

919
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: and more, and if you have the space balls. Fellow

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Speaker 3: find online. That's right.

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928
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: Hey, do you like calling people? Why not give us

929
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: a call. Our number is one eight three three std

930
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: wytk oh, guys, I totally forgot. I may have gotten

931
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: us in trouble. I called the number that's listed for

932
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: thunder Drones on their website, and sure there was a

933
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: message on there that is I don't want to say

934
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: it was definitely an FBI agent, like we're doing a

935
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: voicemail message, but sure, sure it was.

936
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: That's fair enough, Agent dough or however you want to go,

937
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 3: Please contact us for all your microcenter needs in the future.

938
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a heads up, that was us calling for comment.

939
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: So we're good, right, Yeah.

940
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: Matt represents us. We are unified front cool.

941
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: All right, I think we're good. So when you call

942
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943
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944
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947
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948
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,200
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949
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,400
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