1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in Jason timp Hoops tonight. 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: We're going to give you a forty minute rundown of 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: the Lakers Nuggets, and also some thoughts on Joe Missoula, 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: head coach of the Celtics, who's probably presumably out of 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: work here pretty quick after they get vanquished, probably a 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: sweet by the Miami Heat. You know, my take is, 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: I thought the MVP vote became about thirty percent about 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Embiid and seventy percent about Anti Jokic. If you watch 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: yokch in this series, he rendered Anthony Davis invisible at times. 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Jokic is so engaged offensively, rebounding, taking the ball up 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: the floor, screen setting, passing, and unlike Embiid, he's not 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: plotting when he gets the ball. He makes quick decisions 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to attack, constantly waving at his players. He makes sure 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: the pacing of that offense everybody's involved, and he's such 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: a deft passer that he forces you to be alert. 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: You look at the scoring for the Nuggets in this game, 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's Caseps involved, Gordon Porter Murray, and then 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: of course Jokich, a facilitator a score, an offensive and 19 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: defensive rebounder, a catalyst, a screen setter. He's not a 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: great defensive player, and Denver is not a great defensive team. 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: But you know, I felt bad for Jokic because there 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: was this sense is you can't give him a third 23 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: straight MVP because we didn't do that for some notable stars. 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: Can we be honest? Jokis right now today is the 25 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: best player in the league. Embiid is not as consistent 26 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: and doesn't do as many things well offensively, and he 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot. Jannis is terrible, fight to go 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: to the free throw line late, Anthony Davis disappears offensively 29 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: every other game. This is the best player in the 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: National Basketball Association Jokic, and he should have won a 31 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: third straight MVP. But you know, years ago, if you 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: go to the previous five MVPs, not the last five. 33 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: The last five include you know, Jokic a couple of times. 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: You know Westbrook Harden. These are stat guys. They're not 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: most valuable players on their own teams. I mean, Chris 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Paul was more valuable on that Rockets team than Harden. 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Harden was just more dynamic offensively. But the leadership, the defense, 38 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: the guidance kind of the stewardship was Chris Paul on 39 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: that Rockets team. That's why they led in the series. 40 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: Chris Paul got hurt and they lost. Remember they had 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: a three to one lead. Chris Paul got hurt and 42 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: they lost. Harden didn't get hurt, Chris Paul did. So 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: we turned the MVP into stats and flash and flamboyance, 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: which is just he is a basketball clinic. I mean 45 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: he is. There is nothing offensively he can't do. I 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: trust him taking a three mid range, driving ball on 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: the floor, rebound, take it up the tile screen setter. 48 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: He's just a remarkable basketball player. And right now, because 49 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: he's so willing to go to the free throw line late, 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: I think he's the best basketball player in the world. Oops. 51 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Tonight podcaster Jason Timph let's talk how great have the 52 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: NBA Playoffs been so far? If you live in one 53 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: of those cities and wanted to go to the games, 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: there is only one place to get tickets. 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The Denver Nuggets I believe are going to win 65 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals, even if the Celtics miraculously come back. 66 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: I think they're better by a significant margin than both 67 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: teams coming out of the East, and they catch some 68 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: pretty specific markers that we don't typically see in NBA 69 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: champions They are a middle of the pack defense, and 70 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 2: more importantly, they are a team that lacks rim protection. 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: As you go back throughout NBA history, almost every single 72 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: team that has won an NBA Championship has not just 73 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: good rim protection, but great rim protection. So what do 74 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: you think is the key to this Nuggets team to 75 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: kick the trend and make it to the finals this year? 76 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: All right, So let's look at a team in the 77 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: East that's struggling. Boston. Jason Tatum, their top player, does 78 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: not have a field goal in the fourth quarter of 79 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: the series. Let's look at another team that just got swept. 80 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: The Lakers ad mostly invisible offensively tonight. What is Denver? 81 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Jokic thirty, Murray twenty five, Porter fifteen, Gordon twenty two, 82 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: KCP thirteen. They got shot makers, even guys that only 83 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: like Brown hit a couple of key baskets tonight. Boston 84 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: can't count on their number one score, the Lakers offensive 85 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: league can't count on their best player in his prime. 86 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: What Miami and Denver are doing is they've just got 87 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: shot makers, and you know, role players are stepping up. Listen, 88 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the games never had more players that can hit a jumper. 89 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean we romanticize nick teams that had no pure shooters, 90 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: that would have three guys on the floor that you 91 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't even allow to shoot an eighteen footer. Everybody for Denver, 92 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean Gordon to me hit two three pointers. I 93 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: think Gordon to me is just a long athlete, feels 94 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: more around the bucket, mid range. You can put him 95 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: on Lebron, just a classic long vertical athlete. He's cranking 96 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: up threes. So Denver's just got more guys that can 97 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: hit shots. Now, those are real players. Michael Porter was 98 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: the Gatorade Player of the Year in Washington State, goes 99 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: to Missouri. He's now finally post injuries. He grew up, 100 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: He's now coming into his own. He's their fourth offensive 101 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: option on many nights. I mean, he's an elite long 102 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: athlete who can hit jumpers. You can put him on anybody. 103 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: He can do a little rim protection against a forward. 104 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: I just think if you look at all of Denver's players, Gordon, Murray, Jokic, 105 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: and Porter, they're all in their physical prime, all of them. 106 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: The lakers most amendable player in this series still in 107 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: his prime as Austin Reeves. I think Ad tends to 108 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: be an old thirty. A lot of bigs EMBIID they 109 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: get old fast, So I don't think it's excuses. The 110 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: better team, with more shot makers and more of their 111 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: elite players in their prime, swept and aging. I mean, 112 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Lebron was so tired in the second half. I mean, 113 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: he gave us the greatest old man half in league history, 114 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: and he just ran out of gas. He was exhausted 115 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: in the end. 116 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was driving me crazy listening to Mark Jackson 117 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: and Jeff Van Gundy like backseat drive. His entire second 118 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: half in every decision he's making as he's got forty 119 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: nine to nine and one turnoverlease and he's the only 120 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: Laker that actually gives a shit about winning that game, 121 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: like it was driving me crazy. But I mean, here's 122 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: the thing. If you're not going to be an elite defense, 123 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: if you're not gonna have elite rim protection, you have 124 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: to be truly unguardable. And what makes Denver's starting lineup 125 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: so interesting to me is if you remove any one 126 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: of the pieces, I think they suddenly fall below the 127 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: level of offense you would need in order to win 128 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: a championship. It's not just Jokic, it's the perfectly complimentary 129 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: star in Jamal Murray that in the actions that you 130 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: run with him makes the action unguardable. But at the 131 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: same time, he's great at the one thing Jokich is 132 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: only good at, which is that tough off the dribble 133 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: shot making right, And so they're perfectly complimentary. Add any 134 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: third defender to the mix. It's not just good shooters 135 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: on the weak side. It is dead eye cannot leave 136 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: them open shooters on the weak side. And then Aaron 137 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: Gordon if you just swap him with Jared Vanderbilt, it 138 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: all falls apart. It's him being that perfect guy that 139 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: gets every offensive rebound, every interior seal. He's like a 140 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: legit lob threat. Jared Vanderbilt has no vertical pop. Aaron 141 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: Gordon's just thrown. There was a play in the second 142 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: half where Jokic or first half where Yokic like airball 143 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: to jumper short and Gordon just went up and just grabbed, 144 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: don't it with two hands? Like He's just the whole 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: thing functions because every single one of those five guys 146 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: is so perfectly complimentary and they are so truly unguardable 147 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: that they only have to be okay on the defensive 148 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: end of the floor. And so yeah, the Lakers didn't 149 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: really seem to have much trouble driving closeouts and finishing 150 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: at the rim, you know, past Aaron Gordon throughout the series. 151 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: But they they One of the things that I thought 152 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: Denver did a really nice job of in this series 153 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: is making sure the ball ended up in the hands 154 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: of the wrong guy for the Lakers, a lot just 155 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: whip away. Their team was set up, and like Austin, 156 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: there was a really interesting adjustment that Mike Malone made 157 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: in Game two where he moved KCP onto Austin Reeves 158 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: instead of Jamal Murray on Austin Reeves, and that's their 159 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: best perimeter defender. He kind of started to make things 160 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: tougher on Austin Reeves, and suddenly the ball just kept 161 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: ending up in Dennis's hands with four seconds on the 162 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: shot clock, or in Ruy's hands with four seconds on 163 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: the shot clock, and those possessions just typically aren't going 164 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: to end super well. I thought it was a brilliant 165 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: game plan from Deniver. 166 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something you mentioned at the end, and I 167 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: almost tweeted it tonight in the second half. In the 168 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: first half, Lebron basically took over the key possessions. But 169 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: in the second half I could count. I bet you 170 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: if you went back, the Lakers had a dozen useless possessions. 171 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: And when you have limited shot makers in eighties invisible, 172 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: those are bad possessions. Denver is good enough where if 173 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: they get late in the shot clock, they had a 174 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: couple of those. Murray had one at the end of 175 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: the game where they just got trapped. Lebron came out 176 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and guarded Murray and he got I think the shot 177 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: clock went off. They maybe have two bad possessions a 178 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: half for a game, you know, and that stuff adds up. 179 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, we had talked about this that the Lakers 180 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: were a pretty low ceiling offense. Well think about tonight. 181 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: D low, one shot, AD mostly invisible Lebron in the 182 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: second half. Guest, the fact that it was that close 183 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: is staggering. This is a really good Denver team. I mean, 184 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: Dilo gave you nothing. AD in the first half, give 185 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: you absolutely nothing Lebron in the second half. He was tired. 186 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: How is it that close? So you know, I look 187 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: at the Lakers and I think I wouldn't run this back. 188 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: You can't make Lebron younger. Austin Reeves, as good as 189 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: he is, should be a four starter on a championship team, right, 190 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: not a one, two or three. He should be a four. 191 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: He's kind of consistently capable of hitting threes and creating, 192 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: so I like him. He reminds me they're totally different players. 193 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: But like KCP, it's not afraid to take a big shot, 194 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: likes contact, you know, even if it's a bad matchup, 195 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: He'll play it with pride. Like I like both guys 196 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: the way they play. They're just like they're talented, scrappy 197 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: guys unafraid to take a big shot. I mean, Jason 198 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Tatum's brilliant and looks reluctant. Austin Reeves and KCP are 199 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: never reluctant players, like it's my kind of guy, right, 200 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: and those should be your fours or your fives. But 201 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: I look at this Laker team and their issues are 202 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: not really correctable with time. Like Denver, for instance, with 203 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: a championship, should be a more confident version of Denver. 204 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Golden State will reboot something. You figure the Clippers eventually, 205 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 1: well maybe they're a year away. Try to find a 206 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: true point guard so they can get into their offense. Quicker. 207 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: Okc's just getting better. Memphis will have their bigs back, 208 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: like the West was Wonky should add a piece on 209 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: the bench or two. They'll move eight and bring in 210 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: more help, so you're like the West won't be as 211 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: weird as it was, and many of the other team's issues. 212 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: Bench for bigs returning for Memphis, some maturity, Dylan Brook's 213 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: gone bench for Phoenix size. For the Warriors, they're correctable. 214 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: What Laker issue is correctable? Eight's inconsistency, Austin Reeves ceiling 215 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: Dlo's gone flakiness Lebron's age. So to me, you got 216 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: to take a swing on this that these are not 217 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: one year correctible. You've got to go find some personnel 218 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: you keep ruey. But I mean, let's be honest, Vanderbilt, Beasley, 219 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: d Lo, these are not trustable players in a big spot. 220 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: They desperately need over the top shot making. It's one 221 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: of the things in basketball that sometimes when it's your 222 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: main thing, that's a bad idea. Like that's kind of 223 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: what I didn't like about the Phoenix Suns this year 224 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: is like their main thing was we have to make 225 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: shots over the top of the defense. But making shots 226 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: over the top of the defense, especially in late clock situations, 227 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: is a great way to kind of boost your offensive numbers, 228 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: and it can be the difference in games. Let's think 229 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: about Game one of this series. The Lakers had a 230 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: Lebron James three at the end of the game that 231 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: could have tied it. Do you remember a Nikola Jokic 232 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: kieve at the third quarter buzzer that went in. There 233 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: was a Jamal Murray keieve on the first possession of 234 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter that went in. Like shot making over 235 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: the top from Denver stole Game one when the Lakers 236 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: were in position to be able to get it. Look 237 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: at Game two, it's an eleven point Laker lead in 238 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: the second half. There were a half dozen possessions in 239 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: that fourth quarter where it got to a late clock 240 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: situation and Jamal Murray just stuck a tough step back 241 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: jumper in someone's face. Look at tonight, how many possessions 242 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: did the Lakers play fantastic defense? But Jokicic just made 243 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: some thing out of nothing at the end. And that's 244 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: the hard part is, like you look at that for 245 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: the Lakers this summer, everything else, I think they checked 246 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: pretty well. I think they're an outstanding defensive team. I 247 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: think that they've got a lot of downhill rim pressure. 248 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: They've got some really smart playmakers on the team, Lebron James, 249 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, two really high IQ guys. They just don't 250 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: have that reliable over the top shooting. And so when 251 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: you look at the offseason, it's like, okay, let's go 252 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: get Kyrie. Okay, great, but because of the new rules, 253 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to let go of at least 254 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: one of Austin Reeves and Ruyja Chamura you're gonna severely 255 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: handicap your ability to make moves on the margins. Not 256 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: to mention, I'm not even sure logistically how you pull 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: that off, because you've got to get both sides on 258 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: board in a side and trade, so that doesn't really 259 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: seem realistic. So and if you go like Colin, we're 260 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: gonna talk about Boston here in a little bit and 261 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about their issues with finding that 262 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: alpha dog offensive player. If you go around the league, 263 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: there's not really a great option. And so the best 264 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: chance that the Lakers have, kind of like for Boston, 265 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: their best chance in my opinion, is just Tatum getting 266 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: better better. They need Anthony Davis to get in the 267 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: damn gym this summer and figure out how to make 268 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: some of those shots that he couldn't make all season long. 269 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: Lebron James I think is going to be fine. He is, 270 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: like he shot thirty seven percent on six attempts per 271 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: game from three in his previous five postseason runs. The 272 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: dude is one of the more reliable jump shooters in 273 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: the postseason that you'll see from a star. He's just 274 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: having a slump offseason, just like he did in twenty 275 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: fifteen or postseason. I should say I think he'll bounce back. 276 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: But really the only answer to the Lakers problems is 277 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: Anthony Davis gets better. Colin I said for the series, 278 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: the only chance for the Lakers to win was Anthony 279 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: Davis and Lebron James had to play like superstars and 280 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: they had to kind of like compete with what Jokic 281 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: was doing. I thought there was a gigantic chasm between 282 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: the level of play of Jokich and Anthony Davis and 283 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: all that really was the difference of the series. 284 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Listen it. First of all, even when he's not scoring, 285 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: Jokich is so engaged. You know, like multiple times grab 286 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: the rebound. I'm just going to take the ball up 287 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the floor and lead the break. Eighty is not going 288 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: to do that. He's a brilliant passer. Eighties not really 289 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: active hands. When Ady disappears offensively and he's not scoring, 290 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: he's not helping anybody. You know, Jokic when he gets 291 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: gassed and he does, he just becomes a facilidator. You're 292 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: looking at the world's best big man. He is. I mean, 293 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: Yannis is terrified late in games to get to the 294 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: free throw line. We're talking about the greatest big in 295 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: the game right now, and it's Jokic. There's no question 296 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: he you know, embiid can be plotting as a player 297 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: right First of all, he's not available, But we talked 298 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: about this. Sometimes you're like, dude, I'm gonna give you 299 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: the ball. Turn shoot between him and Hard and it's like, guys, 300 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: he just kill the movement. This is painful to watch. 301 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a basketball expert, but just everybody just stops 302 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: k Jokic makes decisions very quickly. He gets the ball 303 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: off very quickly. He's he's screening. In fact, sometimes he 304 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: gets impatient, Murray, come off the screen, let's go. You 305 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: can see he is facilitating everything. He's pressing. You know, 306 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot of bigs don't do that. They kind of 307 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: feel like it's a rest time. Like tonight. Ad sometimes 308 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: felt like he was resting on offense. 309 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: Eighty mailed at in tonight Colin, I thought, I thought 310 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: that was an embarrassing performance from him. I thought watching 311 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: Lebron James leave it all out on the floor while 312 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Ad just kind of floated through the game was kind 313 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: of embarrassing. 314 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: To be honest, you know, I suggest this all the time. 315 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: Adis got a year left and then I think a 316 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: player option, isn't it something like that. This is the 317 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: longest stretch of not being hurt. I think you have 318 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: to at least take phone calls. I always say this. 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: In the NFL, there's only five quarterbacks. I would not 320 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: take a phone call on, you know, Mahomes, Josh Allen Burrow, 321 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Herbert. I'm taking and probably Jalen Hurts. Now 322 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm taking a phone call on everybody else. I'm not 323 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: saying I trade him, I'm taking the call. I think 324 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: you got to take a call on a d You 325 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: gotta listen to people. And I've said this before with Lebron, 326 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: his greatness is in halfs and spurs, and you're gonna 327 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: get about fifty eight games. That's fine, But then the 328 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: one of the two you got to give me. Gotta 329 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: give me seventy games. You gotta give me Tatum, you 330 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: gotta give me Jayleen Brown. At this point, if you're 331 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: going to keep Lebron and they will, you gotta give 332 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: me a seventy game guy. It can't be another guy 333 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: who plays fifty eight or another guy, as you just 334 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: pointed out, who disappears. I'll take flaws, but you got 335 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: to give me seventy games and energy. You gotta give me. 336 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: You gotta give me a two way player. And I 337 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: think you have to take a call in a D. 338 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: And I think this is the stretch. He has tremendous value. 339 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: You know. 340 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: I look at a team like the New York Knicks 341 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: and they and they don't have much to give. But 342 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: could you get a could you get a RJ. Barrett 343 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: Julius Randall a D. Now that sounds horrible, but RJ 344 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: is going to give me a lot of games. Randall's 345 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: gonna give me a lot of games. Between the two, 346 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fairly consistent points. Now, again, it's on 347 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: the surface, it sounds like an absolutely horrible move, and 348 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just throwing it out there. But he 349 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: would serve with Brunson giving you seventy games, sixty five games, 350 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: he would serve. A D would be a great player 351 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: in New York. And I think maybe you have to 352 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: go get in a couple of guys, a couple of 353 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: guys to give you a real consistent, solid B plus play. 354 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm maybe this, you know, again, 355 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: this is just vomiting here. But when when Lebron is 356 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: giving you great halfs or moments, or one great game 357 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: in a road trip, a four game Roady, or maybe 358 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, a great game and a half on a 359 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: four game Roady, you gotta give me. You got to 360 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: give me a more consistent guy, even if I give 361 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: me a couple of B plus guys. But the Ad 362 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: Lebron thing, I think we feel because they get along 363 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: and one's a room protector and one can drive and score. 364 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: I think we feel like, you know, gosh, they really 365 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: work together. Well, I think their personalities do, but their 366 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: minutes don't right, their energy doesn't. Ad feels old and 367 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: he's thirty's. 368 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: It's tough because the prospect of trading Anthony Davis gets 369 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: really scary when you accept the reality that you're probably 370 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: not going to get nearly as much back as you think. 371 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: And then two, I legitimately think this roster is pretty 372 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: close to a championship level roster. I mean, they were 373 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: one of the final four teams standing after starting to 374 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: and ten. That's not nothing, you know what I mean? 375 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: And I know that you can explain away everything that 376 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: happens over the course of a playoff run. Every team 377 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: has certain circumstances going on. I mean, even Denver didn't 378 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: play well over the last half, like last third of 379 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: the season, So had they lost a series somewhere along 380 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: the way, people could have been like, oh, well, Denver 381 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: mailed it in down there, you know what I mean. 382 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 2: It's like you can explain things away. They were one 383 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: of the final four teams standing. But everything you're hinting 384 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: at at the problem is absolutely true with Lebron James 385 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: at this phase in their career. They need a superstar 386 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: that is dependable both in availability and in his competitiveness 387 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: and his motor because Lebron James is going to ebb 388 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: and flow in those areas as a guy who's been 389 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: in the league over twenty years and so again, and 390 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: everything for me comes back to this, Anthony Davis just 391 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: simply has to get better, and he's got to take 392 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: better care of his body, and he just has to 393 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: be available and more impactful. That solves so many problems. 394 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: And again, this is such an interesting example of the 395 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: difference between defensive impact and offensive impact. I've been preaching 396 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: about how amazing Anthony Davis is Defensively, I think he's 397 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: the best defender in the world. Over the course of 398 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: the Golden State Series, they found a way to pull 399 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: them away from the rim, and they figured some stuff out. 400 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: Denver based neutralized Anthony Davis defensively. They were giving up 401 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty one points per one hundred possessions 402 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: in the first three games. That's the best what I 403 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: think was the best defense in the sixteen team field. 404 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 2: Denver was lighting them on fire. And so it goes 405 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: to the larger kind of basketball philosophy, which is that 406 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: defensive players can be schemed around. You can find a 407 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: way to attack a weaker defender, you can find a 408 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: way to get him out of the action. But on 409 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: the other end of the floor, if you've got a 410 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: truly unguardable offensive player, there's nothing you can do about it. 411 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: You're It's kind of like in that Warrior series. You're 412 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: at the mercy of Steph Macon and missing shots. And 413 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, like Anthony Davis 414 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: absolutely has to improve. It's the only way that makes 415 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: this work. I don't I think any other trade is 416 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: going to drop them below a championship ceiling. Ad has 417 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: to get better. That to me, that, to me is 418 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: the end of the story. Like everything lies in him 419 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: and his competitiveness. Like, dude, Nikola Jokic hit a bunch 420 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: of shots in your face while he swept you on 421 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: your home floor. Take that personally, go in the gym. 422 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: You know you were a liability on offense. I tweeted 423 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: out these numbers, but Colin, when you threw the ball 424 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: to Anthony Davis in the post or in an isolation 425 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: situation in the bubble, it was good for one point 426 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: one points per possession, which is outstanding for a stagnant 427 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: offensive situation. This year, he's good for about two thirds 428 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 2: of a point. He's not even in the same stratosphere 429 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: as an offensive player as he used to be. And 430 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: I see Laker fans going like, why aren't they throwing 431 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: the ball to Ad more? Why aren't they because he 432 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: can't score anymore. He's not the same guy. He's just 433 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: not Yeah, and so at a certain point he's the 434 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: one light at the end of the tunnel is Anthony 435 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: Davis has to get better with his offensive polish. It's 436 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: the only thing that'll save this team. 437 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I would take a run on Kyrie Irving, 438 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: but Dallas would that Dallas would love AD. He solves 439 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: all their issues. He gives them a second score. He's 440 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: not at all ball dependent. Luca gives you the seventy 441 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: games and the consistent energy. Anthony scores twenty three without 442 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: really setting up plays for him. He gives them a 443 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: rim protector. I heard at the trading deadline Dallas has 444 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: their eye on Anthony Davis and they think the Lakers. 445 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: They think Lebron still has a soft spot for Kyrie Irving. 446 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: By the way, that would be a shot maker. And 447 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, again you can roll your eyes at that. 448 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: You'd have to give me more than Kyrie Irving. And 449 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't think Dallas has it. Maybe I don't know. 450 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you go Luca ad and you go Tim Hardaway. 451 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: Is it Tim Hardaway Kyrie Irving? I don't know if 452 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: the salary's match. You know a couple of guys that 453 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: can hit shots for the Lakers with Lebron, Austin Reeves 454 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: and Lebron running the offense, and guys that can store 455 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: on the outside. Again, just vomiting, I'm throwing it out there, 456 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: but I know Dallas will absolutely call on Ad. He 457 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: solves the Luca issue by the way. Also, unlike a 458 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: Porzingis or a Kyrie, a very chill doesn't want the attention, 459 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: really a low profile star with Luke. So it's like, 460 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm just going to go back to this, Dallas is 461 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: calling on a d I think the Lakers and the 462 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: Mavericks you will hear in the next month something. I 463 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: really believe that, And I think you have to take 464 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: the phone call and listen again. 465 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: You take the phone call no matter what, to see 466 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: what kind of things are being offered. The problem is 467 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: is like going back to our conversation in the first topic, 468 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: which is you lose Anthony Davis, you lose your rent protection, 469 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 2: you lose your elite defense, which then automatically end of discussion. 470 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: You can't win a championship unless you're just otherworldly good offensively, 471 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: which Lebron and Kyrie. Even with Kyrie and Lebron at 472 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: this phase in his career, you're not there. That said, 473 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: Kyrie's is actually perfect and Lakers fans, when we discuss this, 474 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: they are way too dismissed of Kyrie's talent and the 475 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: fact that playing in Los Angeles with a real chance 476 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: to win a championship with Lebron, James as someone that 477 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: can kind of manage his This is some of the 478 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: personality dynamics that play. I actually think it's not to 479 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: put it clearly. If I thought you could get Kyrie 480 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: by only losing Ruie and still fielding a roster of 481 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: six to seven legit rotation players with a couple guys 482 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: who can work on the periphery, if I could roll 483 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: out Kyrie Irving with Austin Reeves, with Jared Vanderbilt, with 484 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: Lebron James and Anthony Davis, I think that solves all 485 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: their problems in overnight. They become a much better team. 486 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: The problem is is it's just such a long shot 487 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: for so many of those things to break right. And again, 488 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: like you just start to look around the league. It's 489 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: like like I was listening to you this morning when 490 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: you were talking with Jason McIntyre about different things that 491 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: could fix the Celtics, and one of our guys here 492 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: at the volume, mister Rory, he's a big Celtics fan, 493 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: text me last night and he's like, dude, who can 494 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: we trade Jalen for? Like what are we getting back? 495 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: And you start to look around and it's like, well 496 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: KD was that guy, But he's not available anymore. None 497 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: of these other guys are really moving the needle. You know, 498 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: It's funny you look at the It's like, Oh, Jimmy 499 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: Butler's killing us, How do we get a guy who 500 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: can go to totte with Jimmy Butler? Oh, Nikola Joki 501 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: is killing us? How do we get a guy that 502 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: can go toe to toete with Nikolajokic. There's like eight 503 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: of those dudes in the entire league, and nobody wants 504 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: to give them up. So it's like at a certain point, 505 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: like sometimes you have a ceiling. It's kind of like 506 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: the Embeid hardened pairing. There's a ceiling to that. They're 507 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: just is They're not going to They're not going to 508 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: go tote. Those guys crumbled under Tatum, the same guy 509 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: who's currently crumbling under Jimmy Butler. Like, there's levels to this, 510 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: and those top guys they're impossible to replace. You cannot 511 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: go toe to toe with them unless you've got another 512 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: guy at their level. Lebron is rapidly declining. I don't 513 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: know what the answer is. Again, I keep coming back 514 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: to eighty. Just has to get better. 515 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: Well Tomorrow night, Miami with a huge coaching edge probably 516 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: finishes off Boston. You know, Brad Stevens highly wanted, recommended 517 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: Joe Missoula for the job. So that's that's a much 518 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: more difficult firing than most like he was Brad's sort 519 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: of his mentor. So that's going to be an awkward situation. 520 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: But I will tell you that it happens a lot 521 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: more than we think, And it happens all the time 522 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: in college sports, where a really good coach leaves or 523 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: is forced to leave, or takes a better job, and 524 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: you give it to the coordinator and he's just not ready. 525 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it happens six times a year in college football. 526 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: And in fact, when I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, 527 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: all four schools did it. So Washington in the seventies 528 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: was a dominant college football program. Seventies and eighties, legend leaves, 529 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: they give it to the defensive coordinator. Jim Lambright fails, 530 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Ralph Miller. Oregon State, at one point in the seventies 531 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: had a top ten basketball program left. They give it 532 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: to his assistant, Jimmy Anderson. They never recovered Oregon Chip Kelly, 533 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: Mark Helfrich didn't work, Mike Price, and I think it 534 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: was Bill Doba at Washington State football didn't work. So 535 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: you see this all the time. Joe Mozula is just 536 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: not ready. He could be ready in four years. But 537 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: it's like it's the Celtics. It's not like he got 538 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: a bad team and he could play invisible midweek games. 539 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, it's Eric Spolstra, the world's best coach, 540 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: and they'll play again on national TV. And Boston's such 541 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: an outrageously outspoken, in your face media market and I'm 542 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: watching it and I'm like, oh, this poor guy. I 543 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: mean again, if you're a college coach that's over their skis, 544 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: you play on Raycon TV in the South, nobody sees it. 545 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: There's seven games on Saturday in your region. Joe Mizzoula 546 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: just you can't hide in Boston. It's just it's too 547 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: intense a market. You just can't hide. And so I 548 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: think they're gonna I don't think they have to make 549 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: wholesale changes. I do wish they had somebody that was 550 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: a little more aggressive offense, because I think they have 551 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: really good defensive players. I think they could find a 552 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: point guard that's not gifted off defensively. But somebody who 553 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: get you into the offense. They remind me of a 554 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: more talented version of the Clippers, Jason, when Paul George 555 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: and Kawhi are kind of running it and you're like, Okay, 556 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: this is odd. This is not there. This is not 557 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: what it's like the wildcat offense in football when you 558 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: hiked it to a running back. You were getting yards, 559 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: but you're like, this doesn't look right, this is not right. 560 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: I've watched the Clippers for three years, and I'm like, 561 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: could we get a point guard? I mean, that's why 562 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: Westbrook kind of worked for them, like he got them 563 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: into their their offense. I feel like Boston a lot 564 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: of times Tatum looks at Brown, Brown looks at Smart Smart. 565 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: It's more of a defensive player. I think if Boston 566 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: needs anything your opinion, I'm interested in somebody to get 567 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: him into their offense. 568 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: Quicker. So it's interesting, Colin, because we were having a 569 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: similar conversation after the Warriors series last year. And you know, 570 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: it's funny. Every time I've been watching basketball forever, not 571 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: as long as you have, but for a long time, 572 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: and every season when it finishes, I always like to 573 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: have like a couple of things that I learned. I 574 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: actually do a little video at the end of each season, 575 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: like of what I learned about the NBA this year 576 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: and last year it was like, oh, you know, the 577 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: Celtics needed ball handling, they needed ball handling. But one 578 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: of the things that I think this season has taught 579 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: me is like, there's a difference between aggregate ball handling 580 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: and top end ball handling. And we thought that the 581 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: Celtics could fix their issues by bringing in another ball 582 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: handler right in the form of Malcolm Brogden. But then 583 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: you find yourself at the end of the game and 584 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: it's like, what are we going to do run our 585 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: clutch offense through Malcolm Brogden when Jason Tatum's on the floor, 586 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, actually, the real problem here is 587 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: is Tatum's not as good as Jimmy. That's the real 588 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: problem here, and he doesn't have someone that can help 589 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: kind of navigate those alpha dog scenarios. And that's where 590 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: I think the Missoula thing becomes a problem. I think 591 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: that the answer to the Celtics this year and moving 592 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: forward is, yes, Jalen Brown's going to be way too expensive, Maxim. 593 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's too good to let go you're not 594 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: going to get anything worth as nearly as good as him. 595 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: In return, I think you've got to run it back 596 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: basically with an alpha dog coach. I think we underestimated 597 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: emy Udoka's impact last year in the way he helped 598 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: Tatum and Brown navigate those scenarios because you can say 599 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: one thing, you yes, Boston last year had a lot 600 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: of the similar tendencies when it came to sloppiness and 601 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: decision making, but those dudes fought every minute when they 602 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: were out there. They were one of the most impressive 603 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: defenses I had ever seen. Their defensive identity is gone. 604 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: They're giving up like ten additional points per hunter possessions 605 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: in the half court compared to last year. Defensively, they 606 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: are not the same type of psychological entity that they 607 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: were last year. And so again, kind of like we 608 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: were talking about with Anthony Davis, I was looking down 609 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: the list and I'm like, man, and we don't know 610 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: the deals. Maybe Brooklyn was like, we don't want Jalen Brown, 611 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: but if Kevin Durant was available, like last summer, that 612 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: was the move, because then you're bringing in an alpha 613 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: dog that can be in a series with Jimmy Butler 614 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: and not be scared and command the offense down the 615 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: stretch slot Jason Tatum into a supporting role of the 616 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: way that he's supposed to, but go down the list 617 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: of guys this summer, Like, is Bradley Beal going to 618 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 2: solve their problems? I don't think so. So the reality 619 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: is their best bet is Jason Tatum developing as a 620 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: ball handler, and I think that can be accelerated by 621 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: the right coach, and it needs to be like a 622 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: real alpha dog personality. And this is why I keep 623 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: coming back to Nick Nurse, and I know he's a 624 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: finalist for the Bucks job, and so hopefully Boston becomes 625 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: aware of that and jumps in a little sooner. I'm 626 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: not the biggest Nick Nurse fan because sometimes I think 627 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: he can be a little over aggressive with this scheming 628 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: and he's a big, gimmicky, overhelp defense guy, which sometimes 629 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 2: can hurt you in certain situations. But you know, he's 630 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: the guy that wrote a book right after he won 631 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: a championship and in the book was like criticizing his 632 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: own players, and he like he actually is a presence 633 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: in the room that will get buy in. Like Missoula 634 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: straight up admitted in the postgame presser that he lost 635 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: the locker room. He said it, Yeah, I've lost a 636 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: connection with these guys, Like it's just not there. You 637 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: need somebody that can drive that alpha dog mentality the 638 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: same way that Email Yudoka did. I think I think 639 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: the move is a coach. And again, like just like 640 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: you field calls, someone calls and says, hey, we'll give 641 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 2: you so and so and so and so. For Jaylen Brown, 642 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 2: you field the call and if the right ball handler 643 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 2: is there, Yeah, I like the move, but I just 644 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: don't know who that is. And so in that scenario, 645 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: you have to go with the most talented roster in 646 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: basketball and hope a better coach fixes the problem. Yeah. 647 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: I mean it's also been in the are you This 648 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: example on TV is that when Nick Saban first got 649 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: the SEC job, the SEC had some really Tomato can coaches. Now, 650 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen Kirby Smart, there's like real guys there. This 651 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: was a year in which the coaching in the East 652 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: was weak. So Tibbs is a culture guy, energy guy, 653 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: limitations offensively. Missoula is a kid. Doc Rivers is a 654 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: culture guy, not really an adapter a scheme guy. Budenholzer, 655 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: the team got old, and I you know, he got 656 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of unveiled in some coaching situational late game stuff. 657 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: Quinn Snyder great, but got the job in late February. 658 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: It was a it was kind of a bad Eastern 659 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: Conference here for coaching, and here's Spolstra, and I think 660 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: he just took the hatchet out to these guys. He 661 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: got a defensive coach, he got a couple culture coaches. 662 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: You know, he hit the matchups worked out well, and 663 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: I think I think what happened is Milwaukee got really old, 664 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: really fast. You saw at the end of the year. 665 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: I thought they I thought, like an old team like 666 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: Jay Crowder, Joe Ingles, like, oh wow, they can't play fast. 667 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton, Oh he's like the fourth best player and 668 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: a good team like it happened like in thirty games. 669 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, these guys aren't getting better. Ingles had surgery. 670 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: You're like, he's seven a game. He can't play. And 671 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: so I do think I think Miami's I don't think 672 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: they're going to return next year. I think they're going 673 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: to go after like Damian Lillard. I think they're very 674 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: attractive now because some of their young guys. They're undrafted guys. 675 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: They're not you can't resign these guys. They're playing completely 676 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: over their skis. So I think they'll they'll go out 677 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: and get a dame. But I think I think there 678 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: are sometimes circumstances, Like I don't think Denver's a circumstantial team, 679 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: they're just really good. I think there's some circumstances that 680 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: have really worked. Iman Adulka's back with Boston. This is 681 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: a very even series. I mean this it's so I think, 682 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: like Saban early in the SEC, I think, I think Spolstra, 683 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: I kind of know this is like I got, I 684 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: got culture coach, sixty one year old coach, rookie coach, 685 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: and it all and Lebron's over in the West that 686 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: it all sort of worked out well. 687 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 2: You and I've been on this the entire tail end 688 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: of the season. Like Spulshre is the best coach in 689 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: the NBA. He is the best, yeah, protecting his players 690 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: from their own weaknesses. Schematically, he's always several levels above 691 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: his opponent in these series, you know, ironically, like he's 692 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: pulling rabbits out of hats here man, like he's he's 693 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 2: making something out of nothing. And again, our guy Draymond's like, hey, 694 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: don't call them undrafted. Their pros just like everyone else. 695 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: I agree, and I agree with. I appreciate the sentiment 696 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 2: of what he's saying, but I'm sorry, but if Caleb 697 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 2: Martin out played Jalen Brown in this series, there's not 698 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 2: a single there's not a single general manager in the 699 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: entire NBA that would take Caleb Martin over Jalen Brown. 700 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 2: And that's the that's the exciting part from Miami fan 701 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: is like they're going to have more talented rosters in 702 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: the next ten years. Spulture's going to be coaching those teams. 703 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: The Heat are just going to be around, like they're 704 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: just going to be in these fights non stop. But 705 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: there's no doubt that that coaching element plays a huge role, 706 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: especially when you get deeper into the postseason. I mean, 707 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: Mike Budenholzer was unwilling to adjust, completely unwilling to adjust 708 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 2: as m as Jimmy Butler was smoking them. Joe Missoula 709 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 2: was way too late to make any sort of aggressive 710 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: adjustment in this particular series. It's given them an advantage. 711 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny with the NBA. To me, it's 712 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 2: so many times, it's about a war of attrition and 713 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: like who's kind of left standing at the end of 714 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: the day. Jimmy Butler, after losing in the Eastern Conference 715 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: finals last year, was being interviewed and he goes, yeah, 716 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 2: we had enough this year. We'll have enough next year. 717 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 2: Except for next year, we're going to get it done. 718 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 2: And at the time he sounded crazy. And here they 719 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 2: are with less talent than last year, and they're going 720 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 2: to go to the NBA Finals. They're going to be 721 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 2: Boston tomorrow because Boston is going to quit. And it's like, 722 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: like that's they just happened to stick around while everything 723 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: else crumbled around own them, and now they now they're 724 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: four wins away from an NBA championship. It's there Miami. 725 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 2: Miami's one of those teams that we can never rule 726 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: out in any situation. I don't care if they're in 727 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: the back end of the playing tournament that they were, 728 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: they were losing in the final three minutes against Chicago 729 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 2: in the second playing game. They were under five hundred 730 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: over the last twenty five games of the season. There's 731 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: no scenario where we can write Miami off moving forward. 732 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, going into this series, 733 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: I thought Boston would win. But I said, I think 734 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: Spolstro was gonna win two games. And I also said, 735 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 1: if I have a better coach and the best player, 736 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: and then BAM's got to be a top three or 737 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: four player, they're going to be. I thought the games 738 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: would be competitive. I didn't know Spoe would win all 739 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: four games. You know, I'll tell you this, BAM's really 740 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: served himself well, he's been. He is so active, jeezu 741 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: he is. He's on the floor, he's you know, he's 742 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: a little bit like Loke Jokic. He's just around the ball. 743 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: He's batting it around, he's volleyballing it around. So they 744 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: get Tyler Hero back next year. I think I think 745 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: they're they need one more. You know, it sounds crazy 746 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: at Jordan Poole thing like they need another. You know, 747 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: Damien's better, but you know Damien's small. Damien is going 748 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: to give you about sixty five games. You know, Damien's 749 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: played high school, college and pro all out West. It'll 750 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: be a little different. I feel like, I think I 751 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: feel like Boston could be a championship team. You bring 752 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: Tyler Hero back, Bam. Jimmy Butler You'll probably keep one 753 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: of the younger guys. They just need they need one more, 754 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: one more lethal shooter. And I know I people just 755 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: keep rolling their eyes at Jordan Pool. I heard it 756 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: was on the Ring or I heard a clip from 757 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: Doc Rivers son Austin Rivers. He was saying, you know, 758 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: I know how you guys. He was talking about Austin Reeves. 759 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: He goes. I like him. He does a lot well, 760 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: he said, but skill set, he's like Jordan Poole's like crazy, 761 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: like crazy talented. And the last couple of games of 762 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: that series against the Lakers, he played way more under control. 763 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: He took a mid range. I'm they're going to take 764 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: calls on him. I am so interested to see where 765 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: he goes, because I really do look at Miami and 766 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: I think to myself, I've got a star, I've got 767 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: length hero coming back. Give me, give me a really 768 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: good two. I mean, wouldn't you want to play on 769 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: that team? I mean, one of the great things is 770 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: you can get your points and your looks in the 771 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: regular season. Butler's Butler's got no interest giving you thirty 772 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: six points in the regular season, right like Jimmy is 773 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: going to compete but he'll in the regular season. You're 774 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: going to get some looks. Miami's going to be really 775 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: interesting next year. 776 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely need to get him a dependable number 777 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: two at some point because here's the thing. I think 778 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 2: Denver is going to win in the finals for two reasons. 779 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 2: Denver's better and two. I'm sorry, but as much as 780 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 2: I appreciate and respect Jimmy Butler, he can't alpha dog 781 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic like that. That's just not going to happen. 782 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean, heck, you might not even be able to 783 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 2: do that to Jamal Murray, who's one of the biggest 784 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,959 Speaker 2: irrational confidence guys that we have in the league, although 785 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: he's backing it up. 786 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: The Volume. Make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. 787 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: I brought Draymond Green into the volume because one of 788 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: the more entertaining voices in sports, unique perspective understands behind 789 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: the rope. 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