WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Addressing Cardinals Needs In Free Agency 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.200 Stramp on the boots and scrape up the knuckles on ahead. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:06.560 He got jacked. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.920 This is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:12.399 and Gilbert. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.280 Terry's gonna score touchdown Slam to the ground by Buddha Baker. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.439 Like a torpedo, he keeps flying into the back deal. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:22.280 The Rage. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.040 It's brought to you by santan Ford and Gilbert. 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Ron 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:14.880 Wolfley retired from the NFL ten years, four Pro Bowls, 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.160 like most players, maybe not entirely his choice. Now fast 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.399 forward to twenty twenty five. This time around after a 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.280 two decade run as an NFL analyst, including going viral 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.440 on NFL network more than once. Wolf most definitely calls 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.160 his shot hashtag you are not the boss of me. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:43.000 As Wolf calls it a career, the rest of us 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.040 just got blindsided. We got earholds. Speaking of twenty years ago. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.360 I mean, I might go too around here, be very emotional. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.680 It's my team mate, that's my analyst. So in the 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.600 very words that Ron Wolfley created on these airwaves, rise 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.080 up red Sea and congratulate Ron Wolfley on a job 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.640 really well done from the broadcast booth over the last 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:05.600 twenty years. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:11.120 Oh, Paulie, that is just too nice, buddy, I really 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:16.280 do appreciate that. Listen, this has been fantastic. It really is. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.720 All good things must come to an end. And that's 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.920 the way that I feel about this. Seven years, Paullie, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.240 seven years as a Saint Louis Cardinal, a Phoenix Cardinal, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.800 an Arizona Cardinal, of course, in twenty years as an 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:36.640 Arizona Cardinal radio broadcaster, I have to tell you right now, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.400 twenty seven years altogether, it just makes me feel so 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:46.560 good the organization. I've had a wonderful a wonderful time 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.360 with the organization. They've always always treated me with love 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.320 and respect and professionalism, and I'm just so grateful and 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.919 thankful that i had the opportunity to be the Cardinal 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:05.079 color analysts for the last twenty years, two decades. And 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.920 you know, once again, I'm a situation, Paulie, where you 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.880 know this and I know because we've talked about it 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.160 many times. But I've got a sixteen year old and 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.640 a fifteen year old, and man, when I was in 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.960 the NFL, I had four kids, of course, and I 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.160 had a tendency to be myopic, and when i'd get 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:32.400 inundated with work, i would block a lot of things 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.880 out and I'd get blinders on. And I shouldn't have 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.800 been in the NFL ten days, let alone ten years. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.320 And I knew that, and because of that, I missed 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.920 a lot of things when my kids were younger, Paulie. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.280 And now the second time around, of course, with a 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.840 warrior queen, the beautiful Miss Stephanie and my two kids. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.760 Now I feel like I've got a second chance, Paulie, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.640 kind of a second chance, and I don't want to 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.080 do this same thing. And the older i'd get and 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.280 now that I'm sixty two, Paulie. You know this, I've 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.520 got to work more. The older I get, I've got 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.680 to work more. I've got to work harder than I 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.600 did when I was forty two in this business. And 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.880 because of that, the blinders were going on. And I 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.279 want to slow it down and be present for my 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.359 kids and be present for my God as well. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.320 Very understandable on all levels. Not only well said, well done, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.240 you know what, great job, a great example to everyone 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.640 else on keeping your priorities in order. And the good 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.000 news is Ron Wolfley stepping away from Cardinals game day duties. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.880 But not the big red rage presented by Santan forty right, Paulie, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.800 we are Santan Ford, and you know Tim Hovick saying 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.680 it's all about you. Well, wolf I know you don't 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.120 necessarily like this. It's now all about you. It's twenty 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.080 years of memories are on Jim A. Mahundro. He could 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.599 have gone with two hours of wolf Ley, but he 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.839 boiled it down to two minutes plus. So here we 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.680 go our own two minute drill, flashing back the cold 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.400 tub time machine into wolfleisms from over the years. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.240 Time for a big red budgeting grab a club, put 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.760 on the kilt and charge across the field. Larry Fitzgerald 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.600 could catch a bee with chopsticks. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.560 Did you see n Kwan Bolden run that ball? 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.960 That guy could run through a landslide in flip flops. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.239 Larry Fitzgerald could catch a bebe with his teeth. Davedra 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.400 and Wilson just ate his liver with falla beans in 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.480 a fine candy. A fight broke out at the point 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.640 of attacking the Cardinals offensive line at a battle axe 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.240 and the Browns front seven had a butterdyke bo I 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.520 was at a bloody hamburger? Did you see that in there? 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:49.040 Kitner? 0:05:49.160 --> 0:06:00.640 Patter, pitter patter, Here comes the splatter, no way toll, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.160 just all Tasmanian devils. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.919 You know he's just doing that hold on the ball, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.800 on the ball, in the gas, run the ball, that 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:10.920 ball on the ball. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.040 You want to talk about a guy doing his count 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.839 Dracula impersonation. He's in the pine box. It looks like 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.560 he's done, and the next thing you know, the sun 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.440 goes down and out he comes. You know, sometimes you're 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:28.760 the spear and sometimes you're the buffalo. And I think 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.960 Dugan right there would be mounted on a wall nicely. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:38.280 Sometimes you're the shish and sometimes you're the kabba. I 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.040 think Marshawn Lynch is sweating Terioki sauce. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:42.560 Now. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.680 Sometimes you're the heifer and sometimes you're the branding iron. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.240 I think right now, what they gotta do is stick 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.240 Adrian Wilson. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.960 Go ahead and dump him in a cool barrel of water. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.120 Two rights don't make it wrong, but two dings definitely 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.320 make a dong ding dog. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.560 Itch is dead in Arizona. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:03.240 That's it. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.719 The Cordinals half shot in the world, right for true, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:07.640 the Cords. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:24.240 They're going to Super Bowl forty. The Arizona Cordinals Baby 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:26.480 go to show. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:33.320 I forgot about the Fat Lady singing. That's uh. I 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:37.320 listen to that now and I realize I heard every 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.760 one of those moments live in my headsets down on 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.760 the sideline, and all the laughs are genuine. I mean 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.840 you and Dave. It was definitely one plus one equals three. 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.440 Is it possible to maybe boil everything down to maybe 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.520 give us I know how you love power Poles Wolf, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.800 give us like your top three memories, if you had 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:01.360 to really choose moments memories over twenty in the booth 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.680 calling every single Cardinals game, preseason, regular season, postseason. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.120 Yeah, Paully, Oh my goodness, man, can I just give 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.400 you one, Paully can keep you my favorite memory we 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.480 go overall? It would be the NFC Championship game. It 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:20.760 would be that January eighteenth, two thousand and nine, when 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:25.120 the Arizona Cardinals were playing the Philadelphia Eagles. Of course, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.280 that to me would be a Paulie when we all 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.199 realized on that fourth down. Do you remember that fourth 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:37.040 down play where the Arizona Cardinals lined up and they 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.559 came after Donovan McNabb. They came after him with cover 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:46.040 zero to win the game. Huns over the wall, man 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.200 across the board, bring everybody. The flat top was there 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.120 in the secondary and they went after him. And man, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.240 they got off the field on that fourth down and 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:03.079 we realized, all of us, the Arizona Cardinals were going 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.400 to the super Bowl. That was in two thousand and nine. Man, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.880 And that is a sensation, that is a feeling that 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.440 it's really really hard to forget that. I think, Paulie 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.120 would be my favorite moment of those twenty years. How 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.240 about you, paul did you have a favorite moment in 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:25.440 the last two decades? 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:26.440 It's hard to argue with that. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.000 I mean, I want to go with Kurt Warner out 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.319 dueling a young Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, right, five touchdowns, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.680 four and completions. I want to go with Larry Fitzgerald's 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.440 seventy five yards and the hail Larry after getting it 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.520 from Carson Palmer to win another Packard playoff game went over. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.840 But the NFC Championship to this day is the loudest 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.520 sporting event I've ever attended or covered. There you go, 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.400 I would agree with you on that one. We're just 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.840 getting wrong. It is a big red rage. Well here 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.160 from Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft analysts. Next on the 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:07.000 big red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.319 Back game was Roy Grant of the zone six yards day, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.199 He's gonna run it out. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.880 He's out to the tenth, turns it to the. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.360 Left side of the twenty twenty five thirty thirty five morning, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:13.760 he might go all the way. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.200 He's at the morning, He's at the tunny, he's at 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:17.640 the ten. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.560 He is Then for the touchdown Roy Gray around one 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.760 hundred and a half or six. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.760 Yards I was waiting for he called on a pay 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.600 phone in my dorm and the payphone was on the 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:30.240 third floor. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:30.680 Wow. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.440 And I was on the second floor. The basketball team 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.400 was on the third floor. I says, hey, guys, listen 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.880 for the phone for me. If it rings, it might 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.320 be for me. So everybody was on alert. But I 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.800 did have a distraction. They say you need distractions on 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:47.600 draft day. A tornado hit. Are you see a tornado 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.160 hit that morning, right before the draft? And I'm like, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.760 oh God, I worked this hard. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.000 I'm not going to get a chance to go down. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.520 Don't take me down. Oh man. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.560 They always entertaining Royen Jetstream himself on his Draft day 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:07.120 recollection nineteen seventy nine out of Henderson State. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.880 Yes, I mean, if. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.360 You can play, you will play, and they will find you. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.000 And Roy Green is evidence of that. In fact, there's 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.800 a twenty twenty five application Roy Green. As we say, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.120 welcome back into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santanne 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.520 Ford and Gilbert We are Santane Ford. Well, you're from 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.079 ESPN NFL draft analyst Matt Miller momentarily, but I recently 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.960 had a chance to talk to Roy Green, you're former 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:34.640 teammate Wolf about Travis Hunter. Because not since Roy Jetstream Green. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:39.600 Have you seen a legit two way skill player like 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.200 Roy and now Travis Hunter? And Roy said he sees 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.520 him as a dB mixed in a little bit on offense. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.960 But he said, there's no way you can play eighty 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.400 ninety snaps in a game. That's just not gonna happen 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.160 out over seventeen games. So he's got to choose. But 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.160 he thinks he can be an elite corner and then 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.360 be a really effective weapon on offense. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.120 Travis Hunter again, No, I'm with him on that one. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.360 PAULI right there. I do believe that. I think again, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.360 if you were going to take a true wide receiver one, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.680 and you were going to take a true CB one, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.000 and if you asked a talent evaluator, what would you 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.800 rather have you if you could pick between what it 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.800 was that he was going to be a true wide 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.440 receiver one or a CB one, I think most general 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.920 managers would take the corner. I think most general managers 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.160 would say, give me a true CB one, A guy 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.320 that will go out there and be able to guard 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.000 anybody in the National Football League. That is such a 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.079 huge advantage, especially if you're a big man team. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.920 You know what's interesting is the Associated Press put out 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.480 their mock draft one point zero earlier today and they 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.440 have the Cardinals taking Will Johnson corner out of Michigan. Wow, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.840 haven't seen that one yet. So that's that's interesting because Wolf, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.440 I mean hit zoom out in the first two years 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.400 of manti usin for it right me. It's sort of 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.320 like the Lions with Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, who 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.280 was their first pick overall in their regime. Penny Sewell, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.600 the now All Pro tackle Jim Harball last year comes 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.600 in his first pick, Joe Wall Joe, look at Ben 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.200 Johnson taking over the Bears. He's already traded for Joe 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.760 Toney and Jonah Jackson, two starting caliber guards right out 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.280 of the gate. It's it's this mantra you see it 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.520 with mantiasa Fort and Jonathan Gannon. They are building from 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.920 the inside out, and so you have the likes of 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.840 like Albert Breer saying earlier today, Look, it's not a 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.440 great year to have a high draft pick, okay whatever. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.640 Cardinals are right in the middle at number sixteen, field 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.760 Yates saying recently it is a great draft for front 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:45.080 offices that know what they're doing. So It's really intriguing 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.760 because you know what, this draft is deep where maybe 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.560 the Cardinals need it most. And Wolf, let's listen to 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.600 an interview, a conversation Danny Surrek and Craig Griel who 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.000 had with the ESPN's Matt Miller. You can find him 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.079 at NFL Draft Scout, and here's part of the Q 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.200 and A from the common. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.920 Let's just dive right into this draft class because what 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.320 you mentioned recently on Twitter was two positions of need 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.320 that the Cardinals have that this draft class is loaded, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.680 and that would be edge and defensive tackle. What do 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.240 you like about the depth specifically on those two positions. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.040 This is the. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.040 Deepest defensive line class I've ever evaluated. I think I 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.040 have thirty players that play edge or defensive tackle in 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.720 my top one twenty right now. So there's a lot 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.400 of top end guys like Abdil Carter, Mason Graham. They're 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.520 going to go really early in this draft. But there 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.720 is that depth, and I think it's a testament's like 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.000 so many players were developed, like Walter Nolan to go 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.160 from A and M to Ole Miss and we see 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.480 him take that next step. There's always a couple guys 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.200 from Georgia. It feels like, and there's two this year 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.280 who are really good with Michael Williams and Jayla Walker. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:46.400 But it is. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.600 It's fantastic, And it's so funny how this lines up 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.840 because everyone was down on this draft class and then 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.600 the Eagles go and beat the Chiefs in the super 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.680 Bowl with a great defensive line, and it's like, oh wait, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.720 this draft exactly meets what's really in vogue right now, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.720 which running backs and the defensive line. And that's where 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:03.680 this draft is strongest. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.960 When you talk about the depth defensive line, edge rushers, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.280 what do you see in that depth that maybe Cardinals 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.480 could still get in a player like Day two, yeah, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.280 or maybe even early Day three. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.600 No, there will be starters that come out of rounds 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.160 three and four in this class just because of that depth. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.320 And also, you know, we're still seeing the guys who 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.400 are coming off that COVID year that where they got 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.720 the extra eligibility, So it has made it such a 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.760 deeper group where some of those guys would have been 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.600 in last year's class and they would have been second 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.000 or third round picks. But now we get this loaded 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.240 group of prospects. So I do think you're in a 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.000 great spot. If you wait until round two, they're still 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.000 going to be starter level players. Or if you, like 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.920 you said, if you want to even push it off 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.280 to day three, I think you can find players. You know, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.800 Like a name that comes to mind for me is 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.160 Vernon Broughton from Texas. He was a one year starter 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.840 there because they were loaded at defensive tackle. In that 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.160 one year. I mean, he just completely popped on tape 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.600 and you're like, oh my gosh, this guy's such a 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.520 good athlete. He had so much potential. He just only 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.520 got to play for one year because they had such 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.600 great defensive lineman ahead of him. So, like, that's a 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.960 kind of a great analogy for this class as a 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.320 whole list. There's a lot of guys that just had 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.080 to wait their turn, and then once they got that opportunity, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.160 they took that next step. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:11.960 You brought up the Super Bowl, and it's something that 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.400 we've referenced a lot based off what is going on 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.480 at least those playoff teams that were successful based off 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.480 the line of scrimmage. Do you find yourself evaluating now 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.720 draft prospects maybe a little bit differently based off what 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.360 is in vogue in the league. Does it have trickled 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.800 down to what you see in the college ranks. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.480 Yeah, it does, and I think for like for what 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.720 I do, it doesn't really change how you evaluate individual players, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.520 but it definitely changes, you know, like when we do 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.880 mock drafts, it's like, Okay, we're going to see a 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.800 rush on defensive linemen, probably because that is a copycat league, right, 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.520 Everybody wants to win the line of scrimmage, so offensive 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.480 lineman defensive linemen kind of expect them to go off 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.960 the board a little bit earlier. And on the college side, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.560 it has been really fun watching, you know, especially the 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.240 teams that cost you all playoffs this year, Ohio State, Texas, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.320 Penn State, Notre Dame. They dominated the line of scrimmage 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.560 both sides of the ball, and so I do think 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.520 we see that in the college game right now too. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.520 If yes, we all love like quarterbacks and Travis Hunter, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.440 who you know, can do everything, it seems like on 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.880 a football field, but the great teams in college are 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.400 dominating at the line of scrimmage. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.600 You spent a lot of time looking through and evaluating 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.560 and talking about handful of those rookies this time last year, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.479 players like Marvin Harrison Junior, Darius Robinson, Max Mountain, What 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.560 did you see from them in their rookie year and 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.399 what a realistic progression for year two could be for 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.200 players like that? 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:31.960 You know, right after the draft, I think I gave 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.600 the Cardinals my highest draft grade and I just remember that, 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.359 like I loved the draft class. When you run through 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.680 it's like, gosh, I had first round grades on that guy. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.720 That guy, I had like a top fifty on that one. So, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.919 I mean, such a good year, and I think, you know, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.080 with what Marvin did your one, I mean there's a 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.600 lot of a lot of progress, and it's just like 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.919 finding the right way to get him involved in the 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.000 offense so that he can have that breakout year, getting 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.000 he and Kyler on the same page. I think for 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.040 a lot of the rookie receivers, people expected, you know, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.920 greatness right out of the gate. That doesn't always happened. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:00.480 White out. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.680 I mean, Cardinals fans will remember, you know, with Larry 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.639 Fitzgerald and Ankum Bolden, like it takes time sometimes to 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.560 have those big, those big impacts. So Terius Robinson's another 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.960 guy who he just needed developed. He was so rawled, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.199 there's so much potential there. So I think, you know, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.159 getting into year two with both of those, you know, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.120 guys who I had as first round picks and top 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.879 twenty five players, I still think the sky's the limit 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.879 for what they can be. They just both needed a 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:23.879 little bit of development. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.719 There you go, Matt Miller, ESPN Draft Analysts. You can 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.240 find the entire conversation and it's good stuff Cardinals Cover 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.000 two via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you gear podcasts. You 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.360 can also check out the video version on the Cardinals 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.320 official YouTube page, YouTube dot com, slash Asy Cardinals and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.000 there's a lot of big names you're gonna find there 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.679 as well. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles, Davis Wolf. What 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.280 stood out to you the most there, Matt Miller from 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.800 the combine last week and just where the Cardinals are 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.480 in this twenty twenty five draft. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.439 Yeah, I would say Pauli more than anything else is 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.640 him talking about how much he loved the draft class 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.280 last year from the Arizona Cardinals. I thought that was 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.320 significant right there, and it made me think of the 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.840 fact that the Arizona Cardinals, if you go back and 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.919 look at the last two seasons twenty twenty three and 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.399 twenty twenty four, and how many from those two draft classes, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.960 how many guys are actually either starters or in the 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.440 rotation getting an awful lot of playing time. Paulie, there's 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.399 like thirteen or fourteen guys that are year two or 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:33.520 less that are are getting significant snaps or just starters 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.320 for the Arizona Cardinals. You know, you think of a 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.680 Max Melton and how much he has developed in one year. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.960 You think of Garrett Williams, Oh my goodness, Garrett Williams 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.639 and the way he developed in two years. And Dante Stills, Pauli, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.720 this guy is in the rotation for the defensive line 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.879 in I'm just so impressed with these two draft classes. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.000 That's what I tend to focus on as well. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.560 Okay, So with that in mind, because last two years, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.000 think about it, twenty twenty three, you led the NFL 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.239 and rookie starts, rookie snaps. Yes, last year you had 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.040 a twelve player draft class, so it was let the 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.080 rooks cook to the point where the four draft classes 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.120 before Monti ausin for it, there are three starters left Kyler, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.320 Trey McBride, Zavin Collins. Wow, you also have Victor Dan 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.919 Mucage have Jesse Luketo. We're not sure about their future 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.679 of their status. Will probably find out next week. But 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.600 at this point, well, going into this draft, is it 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:32.439 now maybe quality over quantity. For example, if there's an 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.000 edge guy that you cover it and he's on the 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.600 board at twelve, he's on the board at thirteen, all 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.760 of a sudden, instead of trading down and maximizing picks, 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.640 maybe you go after that guy because he's maybe the 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.520 one guy you need at this point, that premiere pass Rusher, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.399 if he is that valuable to you. I wonder if 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.080