1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Stramp on the boots and scrape up the knuckles on ahead. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: He got jacked. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: This is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: and Gilbert. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: Terry's gonna score touchdown Slam to the ground by Buddha Baker. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 3: Like a torpedo, he keeps flying into the back deal. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 4: The Rage. 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: It's brought to you by santan Ford and Gilbert. Right 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: on the price, right on the corner of the sand 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Tan two to two freeway. 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 3: In Valves w a crab by Tray McBride that was 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: spectacular and by Arizona Cardinals podcast. 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: Visit Azycardinals dot com slash podcast. 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 5: All Right, Seas, Rising Up, dude, you rising vision Flurry Rage, 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 5: take it over. 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: Here's Paul Calbci. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm ready. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 6: I'm one hundred percent ready. 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wolfleck. 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 5: It doesn't get any better than that b. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: The Fjord. 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 6: The year was nineteen ninety five. Maybe it was early 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 6: ninety six. I don't know, it doesn't really matter. Ron 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 6: Wolfley retired from the NFL ten years, four Pro Bowls, 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 6: like most players, maybe not entirely his choice. Now fast 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 6: forward to twenty twenty five. This time around after a 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 6: two decade run as an NFL analyst, including going viral 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 6: on NFL network more than once. Wolf most definitely calls 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 6: his shot hashtag you are not the boss of me. 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 6: As Wolf calls it a career, the rest of us 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 6: just got blindsided. We got earholds. Speaking of twenty years ago. 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 6: I mean, I might go too around here, be very emotional. 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 6: It's my team mate, that's my analyst. So in the 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 6: very words that Ron Wolfley created on these airwaves, rise 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 6: up red Sea and congratulate Ron Wolfley on a job 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 6: really well done from the broadcast booth over the last 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 6: twenty years. 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: Oh, Paulie, that is just too nice, buddy, I really 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: do appreciate that. Listen, this has been fantastic. It really is. 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: All good things must come to an end. And that's 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: the way that I feel about this. Seven years, Paullie, 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: seven years as a Saint Louis Cardinal, a Phoenix Cardinal, 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 4: an Arizona Cardinal, of course, in twenty years as an 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinal radio broadcaster, I have to tell you right now, 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 4: twenty seven years altogether, it just makes me feel so 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: good the organization. I've had a wonderful a wonderful time 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: with the organization. They've always always treated me with love 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: and respect and professionalism, and I'm just so grateful and 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: thankful that i had the opportunity to be the Cardinal 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: color analysts for the last twenty years, two decades. And 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: you know, once again, I'm a situation, Paulie, where you 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: know this and I know because we've talked about it 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: many times. But I've got a sixteen year old and 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 4: a fifteen year old, and man, when I was in 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 4: the NFL, I had four kids, of course, and I 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: had a tendency to be myopic, and when i'd get 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: inundated with work, i would block a lot of things 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: out and I'd get blinders on. And I shouldn't have 59 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: been in the NFL ten days, let alone ten years. 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: And I knew that, and because of that, I missed 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: a lot of things when my kids were younger, Paulie. 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 4: And now the second time around, of course, with a 63 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: warrior queen, the beautiful Miss Stephanie and my two kids. 64 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: Now I feel like I've got a second chance, Paulie, 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: kind of a second chance, and I don't want to 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: do this same thing. And the older i'd get and 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: now that I'm sixty two, Paulie. You know this, I've 68 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: got to work more. The older I get, I've got 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: to work more. I've got to work harder than I 70 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: did when I was forty two in this business. And 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 4: because of that, the blinders were going on. And I 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: want to slow it down and be present for my 73 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 4: kids and be present for my God as well. 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 6: Very understandable on all levels. Not only well said, well done, 75 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 6: you know what, great job, a great example to everyone 76 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 6: else on keeping your priorities in order. And the good 77 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 6: news is Ron Wolfley stepping away from Cardinals game day duties. 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 6: But not the big red rage presented by Santan forty right, Paulie, 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 6: we are Santan Ford, and you know Tim Hovick saying 80 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 6: it's all about you. Well, wolf I know you don't 81 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 6: necessarily like this. It's now all about you. It's twenty 82 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 6: years of memories are on Jim A. Mahundro. He could 83 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 6: have gone with two hours of wolf Ley, but he 84 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 6: boiled it down to two minutes plus. So here we 85 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 6: go our own two minute drill, flashing back the cold 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 6: tub time machine into wolfleisms from over the years. 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 4: Time for a big red budgeting grab a club, put 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: on the kilt and charge across the field. Larry Fitzgerald 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: could catch a bee with chopsticks. 90 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Did you see n Kwan Bolden run that ball? 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: That guy could run through a landslide in flip flops. 92 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald could catch a bebe with his teeth. Davedra 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: and Wilson just ate his liver with falla beans in 94 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: a fine candy. A fight broke out at the point 95 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: of attacking the Cardinals offensive line at a battle axe 96 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: and the Browns front seven had a butterdyke bo I 97 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: was at a bloody hamburger? Did you see that in there? 98 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: Kitner? 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: Patter, pitter patter, Here comes the splatter, no way toll, 100 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 4: just all Tasmanian devils. 101 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 5: You know he's just doing that hold on the ball, 102 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 5: on the ball, in the gas, run the ball, that 103 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 5: ball on the ball. 104 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: You want to talk about a guy doing his count 105 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: Dracula impersonation. He's in the pine box. It looks like 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: he's done, and the next thing you know, the sun 107 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: goes down and out he comes. You know, sometimes you're 108 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: the spear and sometimes you're the buffalo. And I think 109 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: Dugan right there would be mounted on a wall nicely. 110 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes you're the shish and sometimes you're the kabba. I 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: think Marshawn Lynch is sweating Terioki sauce. 112 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Now. 113 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 4: Sometimes you're the heifer and sometimes you're the branding iron. 114 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: I think right now, what they gotta do is stick 115 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 5: Adrian Wilson. 116 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Go ahead and dump him in a cool barrel of water. 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: Two rights don't make it wrong, but two dings definitely 118 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: make a dong ding dog. 119 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: Itch is dead in Arizona. 120 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: That's it. 121 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: The Cordinals half shot in the world, right for true, 122 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: the Cords. 123 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 5: They're going to Super Bowl forty. The Arizona Cordinals Baby 124 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: go to show. 125 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 6: I forgot about the Fat Lady singing. That's uh. I 126 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 6: listen to that now and I realize I heard every 127 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 6: one of those moments live in my headsets down on 128 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 6: the sideline, and all the laughs are genuine. I mean 129 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 6: you and Dave. It was definitely one plus one equals three. 130 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 6: Is it possible to maybe boil everything down to maybe 131 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 6: give us I know how you love power Poles Wolf, 132 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 6: give us like your top three memories, if you had 133 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 6: to really choose moments memories over twenty in the booth 134 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 6: calling every single Cardinals game, preseason, regular season, postseason. 135 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, Paully, Oh my goodness, man, can I just give 136 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: you one, Paully can keep you my favorite memory we 137 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: go overall? It would be the NFC Championship game. It 138 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: would be that January eighteenth, two thousand and nine, when 139 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: the Arizona Cardinals were playing the Philadelphia Eagles. Of course, 140 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: that to me would be a Paulie when we all 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 4: realized on that fourth down. Do you remember that fourth 142 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 4: down play where the Arizona Cardinals lined up and they 143 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 4: came after Donovan McNabb. They came after him with cover 144 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: zero to win the game. Huns over the wall, man 145 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 4: across the board, bring everybody. The flat top was there 146 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: in the secondary and they went after him. And man, 147 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: they got off the field on that fourth down and 148 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 4: we realized, all of us, the Arizona Cardinals were going 149 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: to the super Bowl. That was in two thousand and nine. Man, 150 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: And that is a sensation, that is a feeling that 151 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 4: it's really really hard to forget that. I think, Paulie 152 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: would be my favorite moment of those twenty years. How 153 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: about you, paul did you have a favorite moment in 154 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: the last two decades? 155 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to argue with that. 156 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 6: I mean, I want to go with Kurt Warner out 157 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 6: dueling a young Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, right, five touchdowns, 158 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 6: four and completions. I want to go with Larry Fitzgerald's 159 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 6: seventy five yards and the hail Larry after getting it 160 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 6: from Carson Palmer to win another Packard playoff game went over. 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 6: But the NFC Championship to this day is the loudest 162 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 6: sporting event I've ever attended or covered. There you go, 163 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 6: I would agree with you on that one. We're just 164 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 6: getting wrong. It is a big red rage. Well here 165 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 6: from Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft analysts. Next on the 166 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 6: big red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 167 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 5: Back game was Roy Grant of the zone six yards day, 168 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 5: He's gonna run it out. 169 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: He's out to the tenth, turns it to the. 170 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: Left side of the twenty twenty five thirty thirty five morning, 171 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: he might go all the way. 172 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 5: He's at the morning, He's at the tunny, he's at 173 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 5: the ten. 174 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: He is Then for the touchdown Roy Gray around one 175 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: hundred and a half or six. 176 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 7: Yards I was waiting for he called on a pay 177 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 7: phone in my dorm and the payphone was on the 178 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 7: third floor. 179 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 180 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 7: And I was on the second floor. The basketball team 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 7: was on the third floor. I says, hey, guys, listen 182 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 7: for the phone for me. If it rings, it might 183 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 7: be for me. So everybody was on alert. But I 184 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 7: did have a distraction. They say you need distractions on 185 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 7: draft day. A tornado hit. Are you see a tornado 186 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 7: hit that morning, right before the draft? And I'm like, 187 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 7: oh God, I worked this hard. 188 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a chance to go down. 189 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: Don't take me down. Oh man. 190 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: They always entertaining Royen Jetstream himself on his Draft day 191 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 6: recollection nineteen seventy nine out of Henderson State. 192 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, if. 193 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: You can play, you will play, and they will find you. 194 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 6: And Roy Green is evidence of that. In fact, there's 195 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: a twenty twenty five application Roy Green. As we say, 196 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 6: welcome back into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santanne 197 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 6: Ford and Gilbert We are Santane Ford. Well, you're from 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 6: ESPN NFL draft analyst Matt Miller momentarily, but I recently 199 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 6: had a chance to talk to Roy Green, you're former 200 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: teammate Wolf about Travis Hunter. Because not since Roy Jetstream Green. 201 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 6: Have you seen a legit two way skill player like 202 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 6: Roy and now Travis Hunter? And Roy said he sees 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 6: him as a dB mixed in a little bit on offense. 204 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 6: But he said, there's no way you can play eighty 205 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: ninety snaps in a game. That's just not gonna happen 206 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 6: out over seventeen games. So he's got to choose. But 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 6: he thinks he can be an elite corner and then 208 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 6: be a really effective weapon on offense. 209 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: Travis Hunter again, No, I'm with him on that one. 210 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: PAULI right there. I do believe that. I think again, 211 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 4: if you were going to take a true wide receiver one, 212 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: and you were going to take a true CB one, 213 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: and if you asked a talent evaluator, what would you 214 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: rather have you if you could pick between what it 215 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: was that he was going to be a true wide 216 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 4: receiver one or a CB one, I think most general 217 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: managers would take the corner. I think most general managers 218 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: would say, give me a true CB one, A guy 219 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: that will go out there and be able to guard 220 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: anybody in the National Football League. That is such a 221 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 4: huge advantage, especially if you're a big man team. 222 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 6: You know what's interesting is the Associated Press put out 223 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 6: their mock draft one point zero earlier today and they 224 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 6: have the Cardinals taking Will Johnson corner out of Michigan. Wow, 225 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 6: haven't seen that one yet. So that's that's interesting because Wolf, 226 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 6: I mean hit zoom out in the first two years 227 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: of manti usin for it right me. It's sort of 228 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 6: like the Lions with Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, who 229 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 6: was their first pick overall in their regime. Penny Sewell, 230 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 6: the now All Pro tackle Jim Harball last year comes 231 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 6: in his first pick, Joe Wall Joe, look at Ben 232 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 6: Johnson taking over the Bears. He's already traded for Joe 233 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 6: Toney and Jonah Jackson, two starting caliber guards right out 234 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 6: of the gate. It's it's this mantra you see it 235 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: with mantiasa Fort and Jonathan Gannon. They are building from 236 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 6: the inside out, and so you have the likes of 237 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 6: like Albert Breer saying earlier today, Look, it's not a 238 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 6: great year to have a high draft pick, okay whatever. 239 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 6: Cardinals are right in the middle at number sixteen, field 240 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 6: Yates saying recently it is a great draft for front 241 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 6: offices that know what they're doing. So It's really intriguing 242 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 6: because you know what, this draft is deep where maybe 243 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 6: the Cardinals need it most. And Wolf, let's listen to 244 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 6: an interview, a conversation Danny Surrek and Craig Griel who 245 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 6: had with the ESPN's Matt Miller. You can find him 246 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 6: at NFL Draft Scout, and here's part of the Q 247 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 6: and A from the common. 248 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 8: Let's just dive right into this draft class because what 249 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 8: you mentioned recently on Twitter was two positions of need 250 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 8: that the Cardinals have that this draft class is loaded, 251 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 8: and that would be edge and defensive tackle. What do 252 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 8: you like about the depth specifically on those two positions. 253 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: This is the. 254 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 9: Deepest defensive line class I've ever evaluated. I think I 255 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 9: have thirty players that play edge or defensive tackle in 256 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 9: my top one twenty right now. So there's a lot 257 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 9: of top end guys like Abdil Carter, Mason Graham. They're 258 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 9: going to go really early in this draft. But there 259 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 9: is that depth, and I think it's a testament's like 260 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 9: so many players were developed, like Walter Nolan to go 261 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 9: from A and M to Ole Miss and we see 262 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 9: him take that next step. There's always a couple guys 263 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 9: from Georgia. It feels like, and there's two this year 264 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 9: who are really good with Michael Williams and Jayla Walker. 265 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: But it is. 266 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 9: It's fantastic, And it's so funny how this lines up 267 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 9: because everyone was down on this draft class and then 268 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 9: the Eagles go and beat the Chiefs in the super 269 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 9: Bowl with a great defensive line, and it's like, oh wait, 270 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 9: this draft exactly meets what's really in vogue right now, 271 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 9: which running backs and the defensive line. And that's where 272 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 9: this draft is strongest. 273 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 10: When you talk about the depth defensive line, edge rushers, 274 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 10: what do you see in that depth that maybe Cardinals 275 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 10: could still get in a player like Day two, yeah, 276 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 10: or maybe even early Day three. 277 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 9: No, there will be starters that come out of rounds 278 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 9: three and four in this class just because of that depth. 279 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 9: And also, you know, we're still seeing the guys who 280 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 9: are coming off that COVID year that where they got 281 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 9: the extra eligibility, So it has made it such a 282 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 9: deeper group where some of those guys would have been 283 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 9: in last year's class and they would have been second 284 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 9: or third round picks. But now we get this loaded 285 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 9: group of prospects. So I do think you're in a 286 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 9: great spot. If you wait until round two, they're still 287 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 9: going to be starter level players. Or if you, like 288 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 9: you said, if you want to even push it off 289 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 9: to day three, I think you can find players. You know, 290 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 9: Like a name that comes to mind for me is 291 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 9: Vernon Broughton from Texas. He was a one year starter 292 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 9: there because they were loaded at defensive tackle. In that 293 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 9: one year. I mean, he just completely popped on tape 294 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 9: and you're like, oh my gosh, this guy's such a 295 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 9: good athlete. He had so much potential. He just only 296 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 9: got to play for one year because they had such 297 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 9: great defensive lineman ahead of him. So, like, that's a 298 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 9: kind of a great analogy for this class as a 299 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 9: whole list. There's a lot of guys that just had 300 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 9: to wait their turn, and then once they got that opportunity, 301 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 9: they took that next step. 302 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 8: You brought up the Super Bowl, and it's something that 303 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 8: we've referenced a lot based off what is going on 304 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 8: at least those playoff teams that were successful based off 305 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage. Do you find yourself evaluating now 306 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 8: draft prospects maybe a little bit differently based off what 307 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 8: is in vogue in the league. Does it have trickled 308 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 8: down to what you see in the college ranks. 309 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, it does, and I think for like for what 310 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 9: I do, it doesn't really change how you evaluate individual players, 311 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 9: but it definitely changes, you know, like when we do 312 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 9: mock drafts, it's like, Okay, we're going to see a 313 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 9: rush on defensive linemen, probably because that is a copycat league, right, 314 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 9: Everybody wants to win the line of scrimmage, so offensive 315 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 9: lineman defensive linemen kind of expect them to go off 316 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 9: the board a little bit earlier. And on the college side, 317 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 9: it has been really fun watching, you know, especially the 318 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 9: teams that cost you all playoffs this year, Ohio State, Texas, 319 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 9: Penn State, Notre Dame. They dominated the line of scrimmage 320 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 9: both sides of the ball, and so I do think 321 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 9: we see that in the college game right now too. 322 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 9: If yes, we all love like quarterbacks and Travis Hunter, 323 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 9: who you know, can do everything, it seems like on 324 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 9: a football field, but the great teams in college are 325 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 9: dominating at the line of scrimmage. 326 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 10: You spent a lot of time looking through and evaluating 327 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 10: and talking about handful of those rookies this time last year, 328 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 10: players like Marvin Harrison Junior, Darius Robinson, Max Mountain, What 329 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 10: did you see from them in their rookie year and 330 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 10: what a realistic progression for year two could be for 331 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 10: players like that? 332 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 9: You know, right after the draft, I think I gave 333 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 9: the Cardinals my highest draft grade and I just remember that, 334 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 9: like I loved the draft class. When you run through 335 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 9: it's like, gosh, I had first round grades on that guy. 336 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 9: That guy, I had like a top fifty on that one. So, 337 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 9: I mean, such a good year, and I think, you know, 338 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 9: with what Marvin did your one, I mean there's a 339 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 9: lot of a lot of progress, and it's just like 340 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 9: finding the right way to get him involved in the 341 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 9: offense so that he can have that breakout year, getting 342 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 9: he and Kyler on the same page. I think for 343 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 9: a lot of the rookie receivers, people expected, you know, 344 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 9: greatness right out of the gate. That doesn't always happened. 345 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 4: White out. 346 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 9: I mean, Cardinals fans will remember, you know, with Larry 347 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 9: Fitzgerald and Ankum Bolden, like it takes time sometimes to 348 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 9: have those big, those big impacts. So Terius Robinson's another 349 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 9: guy who he just needed developed. He was so rawled, 350 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 9: there's so much potential there. So I think, you know, 351 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 9: getting into year two with both of those, you know, 352 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 9: guys who I had as first round picks and top 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 9: twenty five players, I still think the sky's the limit 354 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 9: for what they can be. They just both needed a 355 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 9: little bit of development. 356 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 6: There you go, Matt Miller, ESPN Draft Analysts. You can 357 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 6: find the entire conversation and it's good stuff Cardinals Cover 358 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 6: two via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you gear podcasts. You 359 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 6: can also check out the video version on the Cardinals 360 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 6: official YouTube page, YouTube dot com, slash Asy Cardinals and 361 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 6: there's a lot of big names you're gonna find there 362 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 6: as well. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles, Davis Wolf. What 363 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 6: stood out to you the most there, Matt Miller from 364 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 6: the combine last week and just where the Cardinals are 365 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: in this twenty twenty five draft. 366 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say Pauli more than anything else is 367 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 4: him talking about how much he loved the draft class 368 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: last year from the Arizona Cardinals. I thought that was 369 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: significant right there, and it made me think of the 370 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: fact that the Arizona Cardinals, if you go back and 371 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 4: look at the last two seasons twenty twenty three and 372 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, and how many from those two draft classes, 373 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: how many guys are actually either starters or in the 374 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 4: rotation getting an awful lot of playing time. Paulie, there's 375 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: like thirteen or fourteen guys that are year two or 376 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: less that are are getting significant snaps or just starters 377 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: for the Arizona Cardinals. You know, you think of a 378 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 4: Max Melton and how much he has developed in one year. 379 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 4: You think of Garrett Williams, Oh my goodness, Garrett Williams 380 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 4: and the way he developed in two years. And Dante Stills, Pauli, 381 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: this guy is in the rotation for the defensive line 382 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 4: in I'm just so impressed with these two draft classes. 383 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: That's what I tend to focus on as well. 384 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 6: Okay, So with that in mind, because last two years, 385 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 6: think about it, twenty twenty three, you led the NFL 386 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 6: and rookie starts, rookie snaps. Yes, last year you had 387 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 6: a twelve player draft class, so it was let the 388 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 6: rooks cook to the point where the four draft classes 389 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 6: before Monti ausin for it, there are three starters left Kyler, 390 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 6: Trey McBride, Zavin Collins. Wow, you also have Victor Dan 391 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 6: Mucage have Jesse Luketo. We're not sure about their future 392 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 6: of their status. Will probably find out next week. But 393 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 6: at this point, well, going into this draft, is it 394 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 6: now maybe quality over quantity. For example, if there's an 395 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 6: edge guy that you cover it and he's on the 396 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 6: board at twelve, he's on the board at thirteen, all 397 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 6: of a sudden, instead of trading down and maximizing picks, 398 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 6: maybe you go after that guy because he's maybe the 399 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 6: one guy you need at this point, that premiere pass Rusher, 400 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 6: if he is that valuable to you. I wonder if 401 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 6: all of a sudden there's a different approach in this draft. 402 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 4: It could be Paully, It really could. It's gonna be 403 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: fascinating to see what Monti assin for does because you 404 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 4: know Moni's not afraid to make a move or dune. 405 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 4: He'll definitely do that. 406 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: For me. 407 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: I tend to focus on a guy like Tyler Booker 408 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: when you love to have Tyler Booker be a starting 409 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: guard on this offensive line. And I know everyone says, 410 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: look at the combine, look at the combine, paul Look 411 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: at the tape, not the tape measure, Look at the tape, 412 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 4: Paulie and watch him play. He is by far and 413 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: away the best interior offensive lineman. The Arizona Cardinals need 414 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: that guy. And guess what if he falls down? Boy, 415 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 4: that seems to play right into Monny austin Ford's hands 416 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 4: if he falls down. Isn't there a possibility that MONI 417 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: could say, well, you know what, there's a lot of 418 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: defensive linemen and edge guys in this draft. And that's 419 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 4: what Matt Miller was just talking about. There's an awful 420 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: lot of defensive linemen in this draft. Why not go 421 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: ahead and collect some picks, trade back where you still 422 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: might have a shot at getting Tyler book at number 423 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 4: twenty five, number twenty six, somewhere in that vicinity, and 424 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: collect some picks that you can use on the defensive 425 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 4: line in the second round. 426 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 6: Maybe you know, a somewhat lackluster combine showing by Tyler 427 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 6: Booker works to the Cardinals advantage. Correct, Maybe he's there 428 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 6: at sixteen. I'll personally run the card up to the podium. 429 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 6: If he is, I have no So. 430 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 4: Paulie, you're saying right there, Oh, what if you could 431 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 4: even trade down from sixteen and still get him? 432 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 433 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 6: Then again, Daniel Jeremiah posted his top fifty players post combine. Now, 434 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 6: not how they're going to be drafted, just how he 435 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 6: ranks the players one through fifty and twenty is Michael 436 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 6: Williams the edge rusher out of Georgia twenty one, Mike 437 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 6: Green the edge out of Marshall twenty two, James Pierce 438 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 6: Junior out of Tennessee twenty seven, Shamar Stewart, so the 439 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 6: Cardinals could have their pick of an edge guy. Will 440 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 6: continue to talk off season free agency. Next, the Big 441 00:22:54,160 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 6: Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilberte. 442 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: Snapped to Murray caskplay Murray with times buyers deep middle 443 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: end zone for Harrison, and Harrison. 444 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: Made the catch. 445 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: Man got his feet down for the touchdown. First NFL 446 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 3: score for Marvin Harrison Junior. The first of many to come. 447 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 5: Throw the twinkie into the toaster. Kyler Murray, Oh my goodness, 448 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: right on the money to Marvin Harrison Junior. 449 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: Play action of food to the right. 450 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: Murray looking downfield, now loves it deep here sign Harrison 451 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: caught it at a cunning hit the ten. Harrison dies to. 452 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: The end zone. 453 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 5: He's in touchdown. Like a tear falling from your cheek, baby, 454 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 5: That ball came straight down out of the sky. Kylo 455 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 5: again drops a dime and Marvin Harrison Junior stretches out 456 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 5: and the pig breaks the played all that is off. 457 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 6: So a lot of memorable moments there from Marvin Harrison 458 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 6: Junior his rookie campaign twenty twenty four. In fact, you 459 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 6: go back in Cardinals team history, as we say, welcome 460 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 6: back into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford 461 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 6: and Gilbert Paul calvec Ron wolfully and that team history 462 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 6: goes back more than a century, by the way, most 463 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: receiving yards by a rookie in a single season, and 464 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 6: Kwon Bolden won Marvin Errison Junior. Two, some guy named 465 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 6: Larry Fitzgerald. Fifth, Frank Sanders, our guest recently here on 466 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 6: the Big Red Rage. Third, and remember what he said 467 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 6: about Marvin Rison Junior. He will be a different receiver 468 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 6: in year two. That was Frank's prediction. He said, that's 469 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 6: how much he thinks he's going to navigate the learning 470 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 6: curve and accelerate. And he said one thing Marvin Harrison 471 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 6: Junior did not have as a rookie that he had 472 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 6: with Rob Moore than Larry had with an Kwon Bolden. 473 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 6: That is wide receiver one to take a lot of 474 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 6: heat off him. But that was Marvin and and you 475 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 6: know he always got a defenses. He was the center 476 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: of attention, and all the gravitational poll came his way. 477 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 6: So now, I mean, what do you think, well, I mean, 478 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 6: for all the numbers he put up, what is the 479 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 6: upside Marvin Harrison Junior in year two? 480 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 4: Okay, Paully, you know I was really really high on 481 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior to begin with. I'd like to refer 482 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 4: to it as the danger zone. I was in the 483 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: danger zone on Marvin Harrison Junior because I truly believed 484 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 4: he was going to come in and be wide receiver 485 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: one from day one, wide receiver one from day one. Now, look, 486 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 4: he was wide receiver one for the Arizona Cardinals. But 487 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 4: you know, when you think about it, this is a 488 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 4: guy that had a very very good year. But my 489 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: expectation was so high. I thought he was going to 490 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 4: come in and he was absolutely going to dominate right 491 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 4: from the get go. Why because of his extreme talent 492 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 4: and because of his extreme work ethic. You put those 493 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 4: two things together right there, Marvin Harrison Junior was going 494 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: to be lights out. Having said all of that right now, 495 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 4: what is the mantra with JG and maniasin for it. 496 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: Right now, we're just talking about the draft class. We're 497 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 4: just talking about year one to year two. Marvin Harrison 498 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 4: Junior is going to go into year two with year 499 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: one behind him and all of that goodness behind him, 500 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: in all of that hooplah if you will, behind him, 501 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 4: and now he's going to be able to focus on 502 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: just getting better as a wide receiver in year two. 503 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: I expect Marvin Harrison Junior to explode this season. 504 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 6: So Kyler Murray with two games to go in the 505 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 6: year said, you know what, our connection, Yeah, it's been productive, 506 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 6: but it can be better. It should be better. It 507 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 6: will be better. That was Kyler Murray to the media. 508 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 6: Here's maniasin for the GM on that connection talking with 509 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 6: Danny Surrek one on one at the combine. 510 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think with Kyler and Marv, as with everybody 511 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 11: in our roster as a whole, Like, everybody's competitive and 512 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 11: the goal is to perform at a high level, and 513 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 11: those guys they want to do it at a high 514 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 11: level all the time. And so you know, I know 515 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 11: those guys are working hard. Those guys hooked up on 516 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 11: a lot of big plays, a lot of explosive plays, 517 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 11: scoring plays, and I know there's more to comment. So 518 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 11: I know those two are going to do what it 519 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 11: takes along with the rest of our offense to you know, 520 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 11: make us more explosive, make us more multiple, and continue 521 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 11: to put our offense in a position to score points. 522 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 6: All right, So well, obviously the GM money as a 523 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 6: board isn't showing his hand in free agency or the draft. 524 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 6: But considering right now, under contract, Cardinals have Marmon Arson, 525 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 6: junior Michael Wilson along with Xavier Weaver and then restricted 526 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 6: free agent Greg Dorch, with Penning, free agent Zay Jones 527 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 6: and Zach Paskell. Do you expect a free agent veteran 528 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 6: receiver to come the Cardinals' way in free agency, which, 529 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 6: by the way, you can start negotiating Monday, you can 530 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 6: start signing Wednesday. 531 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, PAULI, you know it's going to be really interesting 532 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: to see if that does happen. Right now, when I 533 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: think of the Arizona Cardinals in this offseason, Paulie, I 534 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: have a tendency. This is just me and I'm not 535 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 4: trying to pooh pooh, which you said with a wide 536 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 4: receiver of course. But for me right now, I'm thinking 537 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: about the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. 538 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: This is Monti assen Ford, this is Jonathan Gannon. This 539 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: is their belief their philosophy on both sides of the ball. 540 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 4: And when I'm going to the free agent period, for me, 541 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 4: if I were a general manager, I'd want to sign 542 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 4: offensive lineman. Paul. I'd want to sign old linemen, especially 543 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 4: if I felt like I had to build my offensive 544 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 4: line back up, and I think Monti ausen Ford and 545 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 4: JG both believe this offensive line needs to be addressed 546 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: once again and built back up. And for me, I'd 547 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 4: rather when it comes to free agency, I'm not really 548 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 4: big on going after defensive linemen in free agency. I'm 549 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: not big on that. For the most part. I'm big 550 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: on going after defensive lineman in the draft because you 551 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: can get these young guys coming out and so much 552 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: of the time there isn't a mental capacity that you 553 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: have to worry about in regard to these young rookies 554 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: coming in and making an impact immediately, because a defensive 555 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: lineman is typically about, hey, this is the gap you 556 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: need to be in. Okay, you need to know the 557 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 4: gap you're in and oh, by the way, rush the quarterback, 558 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 4: get to the quarterback. A lot of young guys can 559 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 4: come in and make a difference on the defensive line 560 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: offensive linemen. The brain part of it comes into play, 561 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: the brainiact part of it, where you've got to be 562 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 4: able to understand multiple fronts in certain situations and multiple situations. 563 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 4: Of course, that the variables are all over the place 564 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: for an offensive lineman. And that's the reason why I 565 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 4: like to address that position in free agency poly because 566 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 4: you have all of this tape. You have a huge 567 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: amount of tape in front of you typically that you 568 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: can watch and figure out if this guy is worthy 569 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: of the money you're probably going to have to pay him. 570 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 4: I like it. I think it's a more reliable way 571 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: to do it. The offensive line free agents defensive line draft. 572 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 6: Now it makes sense. You know, offensive line plug and play. 573 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 6: You can rely on that guy. You know, if you 574 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 6: have a rookie defensive lineman at least you can you know, 575 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 6: get them spot play, situational type assignments. Right, it is 576 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 6: d lineman coming in waves. You saw what the Eagles 577 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 6: did in the Super Bowl. So with that in mind, 578 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 6: a young player or a veteran. That is the question 579 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 6: to the GM MANIACI for once again at the combine 580 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 6: from our Danny Sirek. 581 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 11: In terms of roster building, that's something that it's always 582 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 11: going to be. 583 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: It's going to be both. 584 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 11: You can't rely on one. There's different mechanisms throughout the 585 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 11: league year that for roster building. And we just happen 586 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 11: to be coming up on two of the most important 587 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 11: between free agency and the draft. So I think it's 588 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 11: a combination of the two. And really how one free 589 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 11: agency are moving? Free agency effects, so what happens in 590 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 11: the draft and vice versa, and so those are things 591 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 11: that we have to collectively look at and ultimately make 592 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 11: the best decisions as we build the not only the 593 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 11: twenty twenty five Cardinals, but just into the future as well. 594 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 6: And keep in mind Evan Brown Will Hernandez both free agents. 595 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 6: The two study guards much of last year. But well, 596 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 6: if when you look at receivers, not only had the 597 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 6: Cardinals been in the division, I mean think of all 598 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: the activity if you will the Niners Deebo Samuel traded 599 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 6: to Washington, Brandy nay Yuk reportedly on the block rams 600 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 6: are they trying to trade Cooper cup or what they 601 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 6: just signed two to two at Well today to a 602 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 6: one year, ten million dollar deal guarantee two two at Well. 603 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 6: I mean he he' said four touchdowns in four years. 604 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 6: That's a no comprendo to me. DK Metcalf wants a 605 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 6: trade from the Seahawks. Rumors are the Raiders or Green Bay. 606 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 6: We'll see. They just cut Tyler Lockett. 607 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: Oh ding ding ding. 608 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 6: He's thirty two. Well if he looked a little step 609 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 6: slow last year, did he not? You're on board with 610 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 6: Tyler Lockett? 611 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Huh, yes, no, I am. 612 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, yeah, PAULI yeah, I think 613 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: he was a step slower, There's no doubt about it. 614 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 4: Every now and then, as you age, you've got to 615 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 4: be reminded of just how difficult it is to play 616 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: in the National Football League. And sometimes when you get 617 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 4: up to thirty two. Oh well, let's see, I was 618 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: thirty two right there, Paly. As a matter of fact, 619 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 4: I knew exactly what that felt like. And now all 620 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 4: of a sudden, you got a guy like Tyler Lockett 621 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 4: at thirty two years of age. I think that might 622 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 4: have been the best thing that could happen to him. 623 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 4: I think the team that gets Tyler Lockett this time 624 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 4: around after getting released by the Seattle Seahawks. I think 625 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: that team is really gonna benefit because this is a 626 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 4: guy who's got great game speed too. He's not just 627 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 4: a guy who's a four to four. He's a legitimate 628 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 4: four to four guy to me. But when he gets 629 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 4: in between the white lines, Tyler Lockett's gonna run as 630 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 4: fast as he can to get the ball, and that 631 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 4: to me is a rare talent. I still think he's 632 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 4: got the talent to be a deep threat and provide 633 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 4: a little aid comfort and shelter to short and intermediate 634 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: route runner like a Trey McBride or like even Marvin 635 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 4: Harrison junior. 636 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 6: All Right, so if you are thinking of a speed receiver, 637 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 6: what about dot dot dot a reunion with Hollywood Brown. 638 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 6: We are also thinking Christian Kirk. But then a couple 639 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 6: hours ago he got traded to Houston for a round 640 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 6: seven picks. So the Texans are going to take on 641 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 6: his existing contract, which is like sixteen point five. He's 642 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 6: in the final year of the deal. We're thinking Hollywood Brown. 643 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 6: He's like, you know, bff with Kyler Murray. Right, he 644 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 6: still has that top end speed, or there's some bigger 645 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 6: names out there well, Stefan Diggs, Amari Cooper, Keenan Allen, 646 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 6: Davante Adams. Do you think there's a splash signing perhaps 647 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 6: to add to the wide receiver room, Man. 648 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 4: PAULI, I don't know about that. You are so right 649 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 4: about it. The names that are out there right now. 650 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 4: I'm just the fact Joey Bosa is out there blows 651 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: my mind even now. I know we're talking about wide 652 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 4: receivers and we're talking about offense, but it is incredible. 653 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: I had the opportunity to talk to Field Yates today. 654 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, Paully and Field Yates was 655 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 4: talking about the fact that, man, the NFL, there's so 656 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 4: much money that is being thrown around out there when 657 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 4: you sign these free agents that by the time you 658 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 4: hit year four or even year three, to some degree, 659 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 4: in these contracts, there's no guaranteed money and it's almost 660 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 4: like you can just let the guy go and yeah, 661 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 4: you're gonna have some type of cap hit. Yet at 662 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: the same time, this is why he thinks there's so 663 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: many big names that are out there in free agency 664 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 4: being cut as the new league year comes up, that's 665 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 4: coming up March twelfth. He thinks there's a lot of 666 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: people that are being let go right now because this 667 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 4: is the new NFL. This is the way that it's 668 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 4: gonna work. You're gonna go ahead and you're gonna sign 669 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 4: guys up front, and then that last year, maybe even two, 670 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: you're not even gonna worry about it. 671 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 6: Okay, So speaking of do you think Jalen Thompson might 672 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 6: be in the crosshairs that very scenario. You just describe 673 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 6: Jalen Thompson as the third highest cap number on this team, 674 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 6: zero guaranteed money this coming year, and we all know 675 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 6: the sort of finish that rabbit put on the field 676 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 6: to his rookie season. I do wonder if that is 677 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 6: a move we should semi expect here over the next 678 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 6: week or so. 679 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 4: That is a great point, PAULI, It really is. And 680 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 4: you know, Jalen Thompson, I know you feel exactly the 681 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 4: same way. This is a great football player, but this 682 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 4: is the modern day National Football League. You're a mercenary 683 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 4: and everyone knows it. 684 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 6: So we talked about quarterback. We've talked about protect that quarterback. 685 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 6: Let's talk about get to the quarterback. What the Cardinals 686 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 6: might have in mind. What is available. That is next. 687 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 6: It is the Arizona Cardinals Big Red Rage presented by 688 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 6: santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford. 689 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: And up up the middle. 690 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: B j o Jalari is there to grab Rodriguez at 691 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Snapped the Jackson He's gonna throw 692 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 3: it from the pocket, looking in trouble, wrapped up and 693 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: thrown down for a sack. Bjo Jalari gets his first sack. 694 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: The rookie out of Lsu gets a big sack here 695 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 3: on Lamar Jackson. 696 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 4: Closed down Lamar Jackson quickly and got the sack. 697 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: That is big time by bj. 698 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: Heinekee playfake in trouble, hits and sacked by b j 699 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: o Jalari back at the ten yard line, a loss of. 700 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: About ten oh. That is a big sack. 701 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: Back to pass goes Heinikey with time now the pocket collapses. 702 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: He Heinicky sack back at the nine yard line. Bjojalari 703 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 3: having a breakout game with his second sack, horsing a 704 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: punt all the rookie once again would not be denied. 705 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 6: So wolf I was on the road last weekend. The 706 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 6: flight didn't have wi fi so oh, I'm sitting there 707 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 6: and I'm eliminating old videos from my phone and there 708 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 6: are a lot of a lot of training camp videos 709 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 6: before BG o Jeli went down with the season ending 710 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 6: knee injury, and I cannot tell you how many videos 711 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 6: in olne D line drills he was making Cardinals starting 712 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 6: o'd Linman look stupid. I mean, he was so good 713 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 6: early in camp. He was so fluid, he was so fast, 714 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 6: the explosion off the edge, some of the rip moves, 715 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 6: some of the spin moves, his counter moves, and he's 716 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 6: such an unknown though. As we say, welcome back into 717 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 6: the final seven of the Big Red Race, presented by 718 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 6: Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul calvic Ron Wolfley. If you're 719 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 6: MANI a support and Jonathan Gannon, I mean, what do 720 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 6: you make of BG o Jelari and what's his fit 721 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 6: this year on your depth chart? 722 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be determined, Balie. You know, 723 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: once again, it's one thing to look at a guy 724 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 4: and be able to project him as you well know, 725 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 4: and quite another thing to actually see him out there. 726 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 4: The first thing that's going to happen to bj o 727 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 4: Deelry is he's got to be healthy, and once he's healthy, 728 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 4: he's going to be really, really confident. I cannot wait 729 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 4: to see how this young guy grows. I really really 730 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 4: am looking forward to it. And I hope, of course, 731 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 4: he's not going to be one of these guys that 732 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 4: is going to have to deal with injuries throughout his 733 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 4: entire career. Hopefully he's going to be a guy that's 734 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 4: going to get relatively healthy. You're never going to be 735 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 4: one hundred percent. That's not going to happen. But hopefully 736 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 4: for him, he's going to be able to stay healthy 737 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 4: enough to where he can actually develop an NFL career. 738 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 4: And we'll see how that goes right there. But man, 739 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 4: this free agent period right now, there's a lot of 740 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 4: really good edge players that are out there. It's a 741 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 4: lot of good defensive linemen as well. 742 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 6: And you know what, Jonathan Ganna at the combine, he 743 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 6: was pretty honest with the media said, that's one area 744 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 6: where we need to get better getting after the quarterback, 745 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 6: and that's one position that you know they're looking up great. 746 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 6: My question to you, Ron Walfley, might there be a 747 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 6: splash move, a splash signing this offseason? You know, Cavin ball. 748 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 6: All of a sudden, you mentioned Joey Boso. Okay, he's 749 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 6: out there. We know that Max Crosby just signed a 750 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 6: ridiculous contract. He's now the highest paid non quarterback in 751 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 6: the league. Trey Hendrickson earlier today was granted permission to 752 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 6: seek a trade from the Cincinnati Bengals. Wow, he's due 753 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 6: sixteen million in the final year of his contract. They 754 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 6: can't agree on an extension. Remember, he's had seventeen and 755 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 6: a half sacks each of the last two years, NFL 756 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 6: sack leader last year. But he's aged thirty. Then there's 757 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 6: all there's all the Miles Garrett buzz. A lot of 758 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 6: people think that if Abduall Carter is there at two, 759 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 6: the Browns take Abduall Carter as their future edge guy 760 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 6: and then they trade Miles Garrett. 761 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 4: So you know, boy, you're going deep on this one. 762 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 4: Paul A Man, it's and it's this time of year. 763 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 4: It's one of the great things about the NFL, isn't it. 764 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 4: Where do you start on this one? 765 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 6: You know, well, I'll tell you what. Why don't we 766 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 6: hear from Jonathan and what he looks for in an 767 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 6: edge rusher, and then you take it from there, here's 768 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 6: the head coach just what appeals to him when he's 769 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 6: scouting that position. 770 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 12: Can you rush the passer? Can you whoop a guy 771 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 12: in the run game? It's a little bit of drought 772 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 12: kind of the scheme that we play, you know, But 773 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 12: I think the first thing that you know you're looking 774 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 12: for is can this guy be disrupted in the passing game? 775 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 12: And I think that's one of the things, you know, 776 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 12: taking the full three sixty five look at us. I 777 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 12: think that's a way that we can improve our team 778 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 12: is to disrupt the quarterback a little bit better. 779 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 6: There it is, there's the comment I was talking about, 780 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 6: and so what do you make of that? 781 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 4: And what? 782 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? 783 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 6: I mean the urgency is there, right. 784 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. The urgency is there 785 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 4: on the edge of course for the Arizona Cardinals, and 786 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons why I think they're going 787 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 4: to be players on the Josh Sweat free agency. I mean, 788 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 4: not to me once again, PAULI it is even Hassan Reddick, Paul, 789 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 4: Can I throw that out there? 790 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: Could I just throw that out there? 791 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 6: No, that's that's aw ye, who knows, Paully. 792 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Nick Rolis. I don't know. 793 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 4: Maybe he had an awesome relationship with Hassan Reddick, maybe 794 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 4: it was Jag as well. I just think that is 795 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 4: something to keep in mind as well Hassan Reddick. But 796 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 4: Josh Sweat. If I was gonna if I was going 797 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 4: to go ahead and unload some money, if I was 798 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 4: going to be aggressive in the offseason, and I was 799 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 4: going to sign a free agent where I'm going to 800 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 4: pay top dollar for, I think Josh Sweat might be 801 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 4: that guy's He just showed so much. Of course, he's 802 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 4: getting better as far as I'm concerned now. I know 803 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 4: he's been in the league for seven years, but still 804 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 4: he's getting better right now, and I think we saw 805 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 4: that in the Super Bowl with two and a half sacks. 806 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 4: Josh Sweat, I think is in line to make an 807 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 4: awful lot of money. And if I were Josh Sweat, 808 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 4: I would hope the Arizona Cardinals would be involved in 809 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 4: wanting me as a free agent because from what I'm told, 810 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 4: he's got a really good relationship with those two guys. 811 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 6: And you know that's the Cardinal's competitive advantage, right because 812 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 6: Mania said it more than once, there's always that little 813 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 6: trepidation because you don't truly know a guy right and 814 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 6: he can't really meet him as much as you can 815 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 6: at a combine, etc. Because he's a veteran bod. With 816 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 6: Nick Ross and Jonathan Gannon knowing him so well, they 817 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 6: know exactly what they would be signing to the dotted 818 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 6: line if that's indeed the case. How about Baron Browning? 819 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 6: And I bring that up because the Cardinals gave up 820 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 6: a six round pick middle last season. He's a little 821 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 6: banged up, but then the last month of the season, 822 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 6: right he got reps and according to the stats week 823 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 6: ten through eighteen next Gen Stats, he was fourteenth in 824 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 6: the league in QB pressure rate the second half of 825 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 6: the season, right between Brian Burns and Miles Garrett. This 826 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 6: and he's only got four years in the league, so 827 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 6: he's coming into his prime. 828 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 4: Yes, PAULI you know I'm looking at that right now. 829 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 4: The pass rush win rate of fourteen teen point three percent. 830 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 4: What you just about Baron Browning? And did you know 831 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 4: Pro Football Focus has got him ranked number five. I 832 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 4: think I told you this last week, but he's number five, Paul, 833 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 4: in terms of free agents that are out there right 834 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 4: now on the edge that's really really good. Listen, who 835 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 4: knows where they're going to go on this? To me, 836 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 4: I think that's where I would be aggressive. Money talks 837 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 4: about it all the time. You don't want to go 838 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 4: into the draft needing to draft somebody that's going to 839 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 4: come in and have to start for you right from 840 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 4: the get go. You want to be able to address 841 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 4: your roster needs via free agency. Go out and address 842 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 4: those needs so that you can go into the draft 843 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 4: with a free mind and take the best guy you 844 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 4: think is available. 845 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 6: The underrated storyline or need or want in free agency 846 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 6: for me is still middle linebacker. What is the status 847 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 6: at Kaizier White? He was so critical to this defense 848 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 6: each of the last two years. Is there a free 849 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 6: agent out there who's a little younger and there are 850 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 6: a number of them that are more twenty five twenty 851 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 6: six years of age? 852 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: What do you do? 853 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 6: Or I'm putting on my oven mits right now, Wolf 854 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 6: for an ultra hot take. Okay, you ready for this? 855 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: Okay? 856 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,240 Speaker 6: What about Zamon Collins back in middle linebacker? 857 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I like that. I like that. 858 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 4: I didn't think about that. I will be honest with you, 859 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 4: but that wouldn't be a bad way to go. Maybe 860 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 4: try that out there. There are some free agents. Joy 861 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 4: green Law, I'll take yeah, yeah, I'll take green Law. 862 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,959 Speaker 4: I'll'll throw him in there. Okay, that'd be That's gonna 863 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 4: be a lot of money for green Law. 864 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 6: Nick Bolton from Kansas City. 865 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all Bolden, I love him. Yeah. 866 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 6: I mean, come on, the Chiefs can't afford everyone, right, 867 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 6: I mean, they gotta let somebody go over there. 868 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: See Paulie. 869 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner's out there, that's true, just saying yeah. I mean, 870 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, yeah, a little long in the tee. 871 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 6: I mean, if Kalais Campbell can be thirty nine, then 872 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 6: I guess Bobby Wagner can keep going. I guess it's 873 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 6: all right. 874 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: So you know what, I'll take Kalayis right now, Yeah, yes, 875 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: right now. 876 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 6: Absolutely special. 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