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<v Speaker 1>Also Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your host ed zitron. Today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by the wonderful Sophie Lichtorman, who will be

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<v Speaker 2>overseeing our Q and A episode, our very first one. Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm kind of the Q and a MC over

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<v Speaker 1>here at Cauzone Media, as in, you need somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've had wonderful questions from all of you this

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Thank you so much. We're going to try

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<v Speaker 2>and do these every couple months, but I love hearing

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<v Speaker 2>from you. Please post on the addit, Please message me.

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<v Speaker 2>You have my email easy at Better Offline dot com

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<v Speaker 2>And that's Easer at Better Offline dot com for the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadians and the British who listen to this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But Sophie, why don't we take it away?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just going to jump through some of these

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<v Speaker 1>questions and and good yeah, and like, thank you guys

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<v Speaker 1>so much for them, Like we really genuinely appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool. It's cool that you have a podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>people like you enough where they want to ask you questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's sick all right, I'm going to start with.

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<v Speaker 1>A question from Garrett Smart. Do you think AI is

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<v Speaker 1>actually useful and any capacity even as an assistant in

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<v Speaker 1>the areas of art or programming?

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<v Speaker 2>If so, why so? When it comes to art, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there are new functions like slightly better clone

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<v Speaker 2>tools as well that I've heard people use. But really

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<v Speaker 2>this is just a bridge from photoshop. I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, art is a not a great

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<v Speaker 2>one because usually it's just getting rid of the creative side.

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<v Speaker 2>Programming is a more complex ones. So there's an excellent

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<v Speaker 2>video link to in the episode Notes from the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>of Bucks that Carle Brown I think his name is.

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<v Speaker 2>I really want him on the show, Carle if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>please come on where he kind of said that generative

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<v Speaker 2>AI code is different to what software engineering is. Like

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<v Speaker 2>software engineering, he is solving a murder or an investigation

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<v Speaker 2>far more than generative AI is just creating code, because

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<v Speaker 2>software engineering isn't just spooting out code and saying here

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<v Speaker 2>we go, we're done. We now have software. Software is

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<v Speaker 2>a manifold series of different things you have to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and on top of that, things break when you plug

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<v Speaker 2>me into other things, and our internet and most software

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<v Speaker 2>products are built in a patchwork of different things, so

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<v Speaker 2>software development. The best I've heard is that it can

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<v Speaker 2>be used in very controlled situations for very specific things.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're really interested in learning what it can actually do.

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend Max Wolf and Simon Wilson. I'll link them

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<v Speaker 2>in the notes as well, but those two are no

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<v Speaker 2>AI guys. I also really recommend the Internet Bugs, which

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<v Speaker 2>again i'll link as well. There are software developers who

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<v Speaker 2>use this stuff. I don't know about it, and actually

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet of Bug videos really good as well, because

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<v Speaker 2>it breaks the whole myth of oh Microsoft and Google

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<v Speaker 2>saying twenty to thirty percent of their code is written

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<v Speaker 2>by AI. It's kind of bullshit, as you'd expect, because

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just hand off code like this. There's also

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<v Speaker 2>vibe coding. Vibe coding in and of itself has so

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<v Speaker 2>many problems in that. Yeah, when you create something that

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<v Speaker 2>works in a way that you literally don't understand by definition, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably going to fucking break. I mean it will

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<v Speaker 2>break at some point and you won't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>fix it other than to poke the machine that build

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<v Speaker 2>it and say, fix the problem. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good answer from Falcon Underscore nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be interested to hear Ed's process for researching and

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<v Speaker 1>planning his stuff. How long does it take to go

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<v Speaker 1>from an idea to a finished article on podcast? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited to hear the truth for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so soph Sophie's going to love this. So the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is several seconds, or several days, or several weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll give you an example. I have an upcoming

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<v Speaker 2>newsletter that's about thirteen thousand words long. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>break it into probably two or three episodes. That thing

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<v Speaker 2>started with me listening to jojo Bizarre Adventure JoJo's Bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>Adventure music, even sitting outside just it was a nice

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<v Speaker 2>day and a smile. It was like, oh fuck. I

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<v Speaker 2>started writing down like the most insane notes ever. I

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<v Speaker 2>then sent that to my editor and my mate Casey,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked about it for like a day or two,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I get pissed off, like a baby that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to fart or burp. I sit there being mad

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<v Speaker 2>at the idea. I message people like, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about that? You ever see this? And they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what You're talking about ed I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what you're talking about. What do you mean? And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll then in explaining it to them, I'll actually

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the idea, and then I will sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and I will write for several hours, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will write for several hours straight. I will research as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm writing. There will be stuff that I pick up

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<v Speaker 2>along the way in my day that I'm reading and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go, yeah, this kind of makes me feel annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>or it feels like it slots in, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>will go through a full I So the thirteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and one took me about three days, probably three days,

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<v Speaker 2>about three hours each, bits and pieces, and I'm researching

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<v Speaker 2>as I go. That's a big part of my process,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounds insane, but it's mostly because I'm try to

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<v Speaker 2>explain it to myself as I go, which works pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes the things a little long, but I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's why you listen to the podcast. Then there will

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<v Speaker 2>be situations like with Giant Bomb. So the Giant Bomb

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<v Speaker 2>episodes that came out last week, so that one came

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<v Speaker 2>together in a few minutes. I was like, I messaged

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Reichert over there and said, hey, look, I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to do an episode with you guys and just

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<v Speaker 2>came together quickly. It same with like Karen Howe, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it really is a tapestry of different things. There

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<v Speaker 2>will be times when I ping friends and just say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about this idea? And I will

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<v Speaker 2>shoot the shit with them for a few hours and

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<v Speaker 2>something will come out. That's why I end up. I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Casey Kagawa a lot is one of my closest friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and we ideate a lot because we both have brain worms.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't know if anyone else in the

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<v Speaker 2>world writes like this. It sound it makes me sound insane,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really enjoy it and I feel better at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, like it feels like I really built something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's cool. I like doing it. The monologues are

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<v Speaker 2>insane in that those usually take me about ten minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of pacing around thinking and then about twenty minutes of writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I record straight because I like the monologues. The

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<v Speaker 2>monologues I think I have more fun with than anything

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<v Speaker 2>else because they're so low, they're low velocity, low pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>I love doing them, like and I always I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>do five minutes that comes out as ten, Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>really should do a monologue this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your monologues.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they're the best. I really do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you were like, yeah, I'll try it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you were like, I had so much fun

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<v Speaker 1>doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because it's low pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell them, but you can tell. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>they're so That's why they're so good, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>were doing them out of like, oh obligation to rant,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like I actually like doing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not as interesting in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell as like as like a podcast of

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<v Speaker 1>a producer of many podcasts. You can tell when somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>phoning it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think I have it in me to

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<v Speaker 2>phone it in. I guess, Oh you don't, I get.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the man who killed Google search? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know from last monologue? Sorry two monologues back. Even when

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<v Speaker 2>we're recording. This was literally that came from me being

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<v Speaker 2>pissed off about like I was trying to phone in

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<v Speaker 2>as shean newsletter. It was like soup not she in

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<v Speaker 2>newsletter podcast and it was super early and better offline,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had no process. I was just like war

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<v Speaker 2>just constantly worried every week. Not anymore though, Now I

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<v Speaker 2>feast on content.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you caught the podcast illness.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the Evans madness.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do another one from Logan. My question is, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you see the copyright lawsuits playing out and its

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<v Speaker 1>effect on generative AI in the tech industry. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have faith that creators will win and copyrighted content will

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<v Speaker 1>need to be pulled from these models, severely hindering their performance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's going to be it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be weird and confusing right up until

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're going to have like a un

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<v Speaker 2>lateral win in any of these cases. It's never that clean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never that easy. But I think what is most

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<v Speaker 2>likely to happen is there's going to be a win

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<v Speaker 2>and then there will be a massive settlement. But that

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<v Speaker 2>settlement will be used in the future to break these

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<v Speaker 2>machines if they lose these things, and there is ever

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<v Speaker 2>like a precedent set that says and I'm not a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, but and they say, okay, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>thing where this this proves that feeding into the models

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<v Speaker 2>is a violation of Copyrea. Let's just say they can't

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<v Speaker 2>untrain these things. They cannot do it. You cannot untrain

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<v Speaker 2>a model. Once a model is trained, it's done. There

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<v Speaker 2>are stages to them. They could probably revert back to

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<v Speaker 2>from what I understand, but you can't just be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>remove all pictures of Scooby Doo, remove all pictures of Garfield.

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<v Speaker 2>It's they And another important detail is the model developers

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<v Speaker 2>don't really understand how these things work themselves. They're still

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<v Speaker 2>working it out. It's why there's so many questions they have.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's like they get where, they're like, oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just be very complex to remove the answer is

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know how open AI like a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>said they were going to make a media central thing

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<v Speaker 2>we could opt out of stuff just never happened. No

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<v Speaker 2>one checked. On the less fun level, it will probably

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<v Speaker 2>be a big settlement. On the funny level, will be

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<v Speaker 2>the judge says, yeah, you have to amend your models.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no amending these models. They will have to

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<v Speaker 2>spend tens hundreds of millions of dollars to retrain anything

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<v Speaker 2>that is used there. There will be some that refuse to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be surprised to be elon musk if

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<v Speaker 2>even order just goes, oh oh yeah, that's that's not epical.

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<v Speaker 2>Bits they're not going to do it, and no one

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna like, no one's going to outsue him. Open

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<v Speaker 2>Ai is far more scared of that, anthropic, extremely weak

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<v Speaker 2>to that. And on top of that, any of these

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuits prevailing will fuck open AI's nonprofit situation, which is

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<v Speaker 2>already pretty fucked like that. There are so many weak

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<v Speaker 2>points in these companies that people don't realize, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>always there's always hope, never get we've.

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<v Speaker 3>Up hope that these assholes can get crushed, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>From Mela, I think it's Mela, me e La. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry if it's not Mela. Question I'm a teacher. Any

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on AI being implemented in the classroom, specifically in

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<v Speaker 1>public schools. We talk about it pretty often because it

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<v Speaker 1>constantly getting marketed as a tool, but it is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>in the context of students learning on it to write research,

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<v Speaker 1>but not about how it is being marketed to schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I don't know this subject in depth, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, I've heard of people using it for

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<v Speaker 2>lesson plans. Teachers and if you're not a teacher and

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<v Speaker 2>you hear this, teachers have to like buy all their

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<v Speaker 2>own shit and they need to do all their own work.

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<v Speaker 2>They get basically no support. So I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if the if open AI or one of these companies

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<v Speaker 2>stru to push in and be like, oh, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>teachers the system and it's a rare case where like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it kind of helps. But I think after a

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<v Speaker 2>certain point, if you're making a lesson planned with CHET GPT,

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<v Speaker 2>you're no longer fucking teaching. I think you're just you

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<v Speaker 2>were just representing someone else's information and hoping it works.

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<v Speaker 2>I worry about administrations in poorly funded education departments just

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<v Speaker 2>being like okay, yeah, let's just shove this in here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the worries that people have over over the whole,

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<v Speaker 2>like oh, kids are just going to be handed at

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<v Speaker 2>GPT and told to go nuts, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>will happen, just because well Google's already trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>that with Gemini. They're already trying to give Gemini to kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that's going to last as long

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<v Speaker 2>as people think, because at some point a child is

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<v Speaker 2>going to hurt themselves because of one of these things

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<v Speaker 2>or hurts someone else. And as much as we love

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<v Speaker 2>our restrained, unrestrained capitalism in this country and the world

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<v Speaker 2>at large, there comes a point where that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you in Europe, like Europe will unhinge their jaw

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<v Speaker 2>and swallow open AI whole. And the same with Google.

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<v Speaker 2>If they do anything with kids and AI in a

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<v Speaker 2>way they don't like over here, you're gonna see some tests.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fund about the thing is it can't do

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<v Speaker 2>the teaching part. It can do the hi I want,

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<v Speaker 2>like finish my homework for me, but the actual lesson instruction. No,

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<v Speaker 2>And nor is there a situation where they're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to sit kids down in front of it, Because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how would that even. I mean, sure, in

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<v Speaker 2>some dystopian future we just handle a laptop and chat

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<v Speaker 2>GPT and say go nuts. But on a practical level,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see that happening. And if I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you could say, then there are the doomers out there

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<v Speaker 2>will say, oh, the Department of Education could force GROC

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<v Speaker 2>onto everything. Ah. If you think in that way, if

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<v Speaker 2>you constantly pull yourself in the Dumerius direction, yeah, anything

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<v Speaker 2>can literally happen. Ever, anytime anything terrible can happen, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you are going to see a lot of departments

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<v Speaker 2>push teachers to learn this stuff. To the point in

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<v Speaker 2>your question, I think when it becomes student facing, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when things are going to get a little bit weird

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<v Speaker 2>and a little bit crazier. Because another thing to think about,

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<v Speaker 2>how well do you think conservatives will react to their

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<v Speaker 2>child being plucked in front of chat GPT or Grok

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<v Speaker 2>or what have you, and Grok or chat GPT tells

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<v Speaker 2>them that like black people should have the same rights

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<v Speaker 2>as white people. They're gonna hate that. They're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be furious at that idea. They're going to say that

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<v Speaker 2>they're being given a woke education. And there is only

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<v Speaker 2>so much amendments you can do to a system prompt

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<v Speaker 2>before you entirely break it, as proven by the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Grok talked about white genocide or the boas at

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<v Speaker 2>nauseum the other day shout out to Kylie Robinson and

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<v Speaker 2>went on, Chris has to talk about that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it's a mix. It's really it's a question of

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<v Speaker 2>how far this hype cycle goes and for how long,

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<v Speaker 2>because if it lasts another two or three years somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to happen. But I don't see that happening

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, it's really kind of gnarly for TEA

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<v Speaker 1>when they can, when they can so easily tell that

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<v Speaker 1>students are just using AI to turn in homework. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to create something that is like a plagiarism tracker,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like an AI tracker at some point you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>And those already exist, and they're already dinging students for

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is a wider problem with

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<v Speaker 2>our chat GPT essay writing thing, which is we don't

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<v Speaker 2>teach children to write correct. I remember when I was

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<v Speaker 2>at Penn State, I had a group project. If any

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<v Speaker 2>who you're listening, I'm very sorry you're writing sucked. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a group project with like seniors and juniors, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was a sophomore at the time, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>like an eighteen page, eighteen page double space essay, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's writing was different but the same kind of bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and it kind of mirrored the shitty writing of chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the kind of intro body conclusion slot we taught

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<v Speaker 2>people to write like this and we graded them based

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<v Speaker 2>on this writing. We don't because we think, oh, not

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<v Speaker 2>everyone can write. Actually they can. I fully believe they

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<v Speaker 2>can if given media to consume and encouragement and have

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<v Speaker 2>good writers teach them. Because we do not prioritize communication

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<v Speaker 2>as in fact, I think it is a word of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's we don't prioritize teaching people communication at all. People

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<v Speaker 2>are using chat GPT to mediate conflict because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any kind of institutionalized mental health I don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>like institutions, I mean like making people do mental health stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have any kind of classes to teach people

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<v Speaker 2>conflict resolution. And we also don't teach people how to

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<v Speaker 2>fucking communicate. We romanticize, especially in college, this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>overstaffed architect in the matrix style indubitably bullshit, which is

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<v Speaker 2>about making yourself sound smart rather than actually communicating an

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<v Speaker 2>intelligent point. This is a natural weak point for things

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<v Speaker 2>like chat GPT, which is entirely about sounding smart without

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<v Speaker 2>being smart. So I mean, I'm actually shocked that teachers

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell that chat when chat gpt is writing, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've been able to one hundred percent not it's when

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<v Speaker 2>I get that slob. It's a really certain kind of echoing.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing behind it, There's no there is no I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even being kind of condescending. I mean there is a

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<v Speaker 2>way it writes. There is a way that Claude rights

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<v Speaker 2>as well. It always goes like that's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's usually some kind of like indeed that is great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is there some like really strange or like an unusually

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<v Speaker 1>awkward punctuation as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That you can just tell and it doesn't feel right?

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<v Speaker 2>And but again, if we have teachers that don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to write, who don't know what good writing is,

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<v Speaker 2>they just and again that is a well not again

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say this yet, but there is also likely

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<v Speaker 2>not the institutional support for teachers either. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>we create these weak systems that get exploited. And none

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<v Speaker 2>of this is a business model for chat GPT either.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they got sixteen point five million I think from

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<v Speaker 2>cal State University cal State University system. It's like that's

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<v Speaker 2>still losing the money and already people are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of it. It's just it's also sickening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mess. Let's go to a fun question from Nora.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a piece of tech you wish had

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<v Speaker 1>been successful but wasn't, or that you wish was widely

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<v Speaker 1>influential but didn't turn out that way. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to know your answer to this question.

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<v Speaker 2>So my one is the PlayStation Vita. So the PlayStation

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<v Speaker 2>Veta was this little gaming console that Sony did. It

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<v Speaker 2>was PlayStation three era, I think it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so cool. It was like a step up from the

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<v Speaker 2>PlayStation Portable. The graphics were good. It had this weird

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<v Speaker 2>touch screen on the back that you could use. It

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<v Speaker 2>really wasn't a great idea, but it was like they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying stuff. It was also just a great form factor,

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<v Speaker 2>great weight, great games, really great. Same with the PSP

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<v Speaker 2>and I get why it didn't take off, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we are getting there. There's the GPD Win four,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like a little gaming PC hand held. It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feels like it, but it's too chunky. I

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<v Speaker 2>think in the next few years you might actually see

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<v Speaker 2>growth in this because good lord is that like I

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<v Speaker 2>love the mobile gaming PCs. And for the show, actually

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<v Speaker 2>I'm playing with an Asus rog ally X, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. We are probably five to ten years away

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<v Speaker 2>from what I'm dreaming of, which is a super thin

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<v Speaker 2>one that's kind of like a Nintendo Switch but a

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<v Speaker 2>powerful gaming PC. But I wish the PSVA had done

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<v Speaker 2>better because we would have seen this quicker. We would

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<v Speaker 2>have seen a push for smaller silicon for batteries, like

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<v Speaker 2>there would have been just more money going into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, maybe it didn't get there because the tech

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready. I still loved it. I still really loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really love that form factor as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>the big thing I guess I'm saying is it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just do these things exist. It's like Sony is very

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<v Speaker 2>good at ergonomic stuff. I love their controllers, like that

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<v Speaker 2>was what really made it as well. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>the I missed. I missed that, and I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>some If you are a listener who played with the

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<v Speaker 2>PlayStation portableand PlayStation Vita homebrew scene, love you please email

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<v Speaker 2>me up, love to talk about it. I miss it

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<v Speaker 2>as cool as shit. Raymond Wong, who used to write

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<v Speaker 2>in verses, did a lot about it as well. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just I guess the part of tech I'm missing is

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<v Speaker 2>well that never really took off, is these powerful port

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<v Speaker 2>but handhelds, and we're so close we're so close. I

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<v Speaker 2>can I can feel it. I can feel it, I

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<v Speaker 2>can feel the cosmos. It's gonna be wonderful when it

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<v Speaker 2>gets here.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an article that I read a couple days

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<v Speaker 1>ago from Vice that was probably, you know, not an

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<v Speaker 1>original piece from Vice no offense device, that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>your pets could one day be able to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you with AI. And I just like that to me

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<v Speaker 1>was what you've been talking about. And there's a question

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<v Speaker 1>that talks about the AI bubble burst, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>this is leading into. You've talked about that. That is

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<v Speaker 1>such an indicator to me that I'm like, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, yeah, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the joy of pets is that they can't

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<v Speaker 2>communicate with us, and we have to show them extra

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<v Speaker 2>love and affection. I know we have to understand their

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<v Speaker 2>needs without fully understanding them. That we have to be

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<v Speaker 2>empathetic and caring about them. The idea that also, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear what Babu thinks of me. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he loves me, but he loves me. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>how is the one my cat who kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>stays in my office mostly he is the one who

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's probably got some mean things to say.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves me, but he also hits me in the

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<v Speaker 2>face sometimes, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, like I think Anderson would not trade

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<v Speaker 1>me for a piece of string cheese, but my newest

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.520
<v Speaker 1>rescue dog, Truman, I mean, I'd love for us to

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<v Speaker 1>know when she'd be like that. I'm scared of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, uh, I don't want to hear that she

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<v Speaker 1>would trade me for a piece of string cheese, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure she would at this point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>What if my dog's racist?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, come on, what if your dog has

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<v Speaker 1>like really bad taste in television?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're Oh, what if your dog is just annoying?

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 2>What if your dog just like hums Yeah? What if

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:03.000
<v Speaker 2>your dog's sitting there like are going hm mm, just

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<v Speaker 2>like makes like weird mouth, Like there's just otherwise, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>my pet's are beautiful and wonderful and I love them

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<v Speaker 2>so much and they make my life so good. They

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<v Speaker 2>really are angels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 2>I know I don't need to well, I mean, Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>talks to me anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand almost everything that my dogs communicate to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great, and that's where it needs to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think BOBU can understand me for sure. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I have tons of videos to be saying, Bobby, what

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<v Speaker 2>you want and he mAbs at me. I'm saying really,

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.399
<v Speaker 2>he goes now it's okay. Yeah, we're talking. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Anderson Can, She's right behind me staring at you.

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<v Speaker 2>A legend, the legend. Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's perfect. But like I think she is more

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<v Speaker 1>self aware about what's going on in the world than

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<v Speaker 1>most humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, from justin this was leading into the A bubble

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<v Speaker 1>burst thing. As the AA bubble bursts, what will become

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<v Speaker 1>of the many mediocre customers with overly reliant on it

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<v Speaker 1>for just about everything. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first thing they're gonna find out is

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<v Speaker 2>they're not reliant on it at all. But that is

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<v Speaker 2>the the first thing they're going to discover is that

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<v Speaker 2>they will never reliant on this stuff. I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that in the event that they were reliant on it,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll choose one of the many open source models. And

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<v Speaker 2>because large language models are not going to disappear, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like open AI dies tomorrow. Large language models will

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<v Speaker 2>not the hype cycle dies. They will not die. They

0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 2>are on device models that videos putting out like a

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 2>three thousand dollar gy think it's the dgx box they're

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>doing that can run large language models of a certain parameters.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's very doable. And there are gonna be people

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<v Speaker 2>who just go, I don't I never really needed this. Yeah,

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>there are gonna be those who say, oh, well, I

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 2>use chet GPT for this, that and the other chat

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.399
<v Speaker 2>GPT dot com all forward to copilot, Like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have access to one of these fucking things. You're just

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>going to find out what happens when people are not

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 2>told to use this stuff, when people will naturally use it.

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think you can kind of see what will

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 2>happen there. Based on the user numbers for these companies

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>outside of open Ai, they can barely muster up the

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 2>combined active users of like a free to play game

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that sells your information to the Chinese. Like, I think

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that so much of this demand is artificial too, And

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's curiosity. People are like, oh, I

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.639
<v Speaker 2>hear about this constantly, I should try it out, and

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, people are ultimately a bit lazy. I know

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I can be and they're like, oh, I'm in an

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.159
<v Speaker 2>argument with my mate, what do what do about it?

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>How do I deal with the argument with my friend?

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Chat gpt? And there will be that people use it

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 2>for that, but I also think that again, that's not

0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 2>a business model and people will not care for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the future will be large language models

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<v Speaker 2>with heavy usage limits and premim ones that no one

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 2>pays for really that are just way more expensive. And

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<v Speaker 2>I really do think open Ai eventually cops it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think get absorbed into Microsoft because we don't really have

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>antitrust right now, so I.

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Think they'll just get paying for premium.

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Sadly, so they're paying. Open Ai gets like billions of

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>dollars through this, but it's like people organizations buying it,

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and you have people think about it like this. If

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>every single news outlet everywhere forever for two sorry not forever,

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 2>for two years straight or more has said chat GPT

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 2>AI generative AI, chat GPT, Yeah, billions of billions of

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>dollars of revenue. Sure, people will shove money into something

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>if they are told to. And on top of that,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>you have tons of business idiots who are just like, yeah,

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 2>I need to put AI in my business, and I

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>have the podcast that's coming up. I actually believe our

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>economy is run by a lot of people who don't

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>do any work, so this shit seems like magic. Of

0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:51.200
<v Speaker 2>course they'll buy it for their entire organization. They don't

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 2>know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, sure, put chat

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 2>GPT in everything. That's how that works. Oh, here we go.

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think that when it goes to way, we'll

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>check GPT does. I think that we'll probably see just

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the kind of very boring large language model industry and

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it just it just won't It won't be as prevalent,

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 2>you won't hear about it as much, and it will

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 2>actually be better for the tech. I think.

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>All told, and we're back from p I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get this right. P eight N T B

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<v Speaker 1>A l l n x J. I think I did that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're trying to say paintball and an ex J.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, the question is ed, what are your favorite

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 1>activities that have nothing to do with the tech?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I have a local basketball court I've been

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<v Speaker 2>going to on my own, and I've been playing basketball

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>on my own, which sounds very sad, but no, it does.

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It I do a shit ton of fitness, so last

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>year lost a ton of way. I'm down like buck

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 2>sixty five. Now muscle it's great, so I work out

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot. The reason I don't bring uplifting is because

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that's tech, Like my tone is a tech thing. Basketball

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>is not. It's me, my music and hoop him. And

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you I am one of the worst shooters

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 2>of all time. I am so bad at it. But

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I really like rebounding. And I really like the cardio

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 2>thing because I needed a cardio level to go because

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>my boxing was kind of stalling. So I really enjoyed

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 2>just like running around for half an hour, like catching

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 2>a ball in the air and shooting it. And then

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I play.

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Basketball with you.

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 2>You will demolish men. I have the cardio. I have

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the cardio, but I am like, how tall are you?

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm five three on a good day.

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah I might, I might be all right there,

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm five nine.

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I was.

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I was captain of my varsity basketball team.

0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh then you'll demolish me. Then, okay, you will, you

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:01.199
<v Speaker 2>will say, and me to hell. You'll be able to

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 2>actually get the ball in the hoop, which is my

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>one problem. But I really like that, and I really

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>like barbecue, so I have two pellet smokers, which I

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 2>realized to some listeners who do like the wood chunks

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>is kind of considered harahm. But fuck you, you purist bastard.

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 2>But I love making ribs. I love making tritip. I

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>hate making brisket. It was a few years ago. I

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 2>really I love try tips. My tried tips incredible as well.

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoy that I do use some tech things.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I have a combustion thermometer, but really is just a

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>giant's steel thing full of smoke that I watch and

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 2>it's great, and it honestly has been really good for me,

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and it allows me to cook for people, which I

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 2>love doing. And yeah, and when I'm waiting for stuff

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to cook, I will stand watching TV outside bouncing the

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>basketball around, catching it in the air. I just I

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>have some weird habits, as you can probably guess. But

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoy like being bad at basketball. Honestly have

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>not enjoyed.

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you like watch basketball?

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting there. I'm still learning. The people I know

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that like James Harden is constantly at strip clubs or

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>being traded.

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I hate him. My brother played against him. In high school.

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>It's been an asshole since he was a child.

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he seems to like enjoy like tricking people

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>into doing fowls. But I just I'd like him more

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 2>if he was ruder, like if he was more of

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a heel, if he like, like was like the fans

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a bit.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, prop Ian and I can teach you.

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I would love to learn basketball.

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>You're a Lakers, by the way. Cool, it's good you've

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>been assigned.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Baseball as well. I really enjoyed baseball or going to

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 2>baseball a few years ago. I really enjoy going to baseball.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Don't really enjoy watching it on TV like I can,

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>but I need to like have a reason name there,

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Like it needs to be like a like an LDS

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>or something. I'm like a Dodger's padres Mets fan. It's

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>a whole mess. Really, I'm more of a game. I'm

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>like the Rob Low wearing the NFL hat guy. I'm

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm here for the game. But I really do.

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoy baseball, And with that in mind, I

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 2>also enjoy but I haven't been for a while going

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to a batting cage. I really enjoyed batting cages. It's

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>just especially when you're on the computer all the time,

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at screens of the time, and you just

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>go and you hit a ball that's like thrown at

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 2>you at seventy miles an hour. It's very difficult, but again,

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>really enjoy it.

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about like mini golf and like

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the driving range?

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I do. I like mini golf. Never done a driving range, though,

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I like.

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Mini golf a lot. Mini golf is great, you know,

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't like that like what's it called

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the like yassified like driving range where they're oh top golf. Yeah,

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I really don't enjoy top golf.

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's just I've never like really known where you'd go.

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I guess it just felt like a driving range to me.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, I like mini golf. I think minigal's

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>fun and silly.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I like like a really like old school minigol of

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>course that you know has been there.

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Forever and like, yeah, it's kind of shit.

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>It's shit in the town and there's like no tech.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just like really bad like wood in wood in art,

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's just hilarious.

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it's meant to go in the

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>certain place you keep playing anywhere. Bowling no, So I

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 2>have a coordinational disability call dyspraxia, which is really weird.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I realize basketball has honestly beat an exploration of how

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>prevalent that is in my life though, because I could

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>not dribble the ball when I started, like I physically

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 2>could not, I would get maybe three or four bounces

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>before I drop it. Now I can run at full

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>speed up and down the court, dribbling, changing hands, I

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>can turn around, I can grab the ball in the air.

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>So it's been this weird exploration. So bowling might be

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where maybe if I try it more.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the sticking your fingers into dirty holes

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>thing is I can.

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>We all been there, but it's it's it's one of

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>those things where six months ago I would have said no.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>But the basketball side again on screens all day. So

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>like my achievements are all typing, but like being able

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to grab a ball out of the air, being able

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to actually rebound successfully, it's thrilling. I really enjoy it.

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's like something where I can't look at a screen.

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I have to look at where I'm going to miss.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Next I'm telling I'm going to text Ian and prop

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>right now. We're going to give you a full basketball education.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I would love that. I would genuinely love that Casey

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>could go off. Friends of the Show got me into

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 2>baseball in the same way that's how I get into sport.

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I also do watch the NFL, but I think saying

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I like the Raiders is a stretch. It's like attending

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>a year's long class action suit.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>That was the weirdest thing that's ever coming out of

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>your mouth. The Raider, I know, locationally sure, but like

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to actually like the Raiders, you have to be a

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>specific type of person, which you are not. Well.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is is Arifasan from sixty Minute Drill

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Football podcast I Do laughed at me once because he

0:31:58.120 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>asked on the part he said, why'd you get in

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the Raiders? I was like, Oh, I lived in Oakland

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 2>at the time and the season tickets really cheap. But

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>he just goes, you got into a football team because

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>of market conditions, And that is something that will haunt

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.719
<v Speaker 2>me for the rest of my life because it's true. However,

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 2>the team might be good this year, maybe yeah, but

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had hope before so who cares? Yeah. Oh,

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and also the show JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. That's another thing

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I really like. I don't want to get me talking.

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>About that, is that the question about Jojo.

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Is, yeah, there's you can skip that.

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know what that is. I'm

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>not gonna I.

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Would have to explain a bunch of stuff.

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not like that one over in my head. I'll

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>ask one more serious one and then we'll do the cats.

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good, all right?

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Um, I just wonder if I want to ask that's serious?

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Eh?

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>This comes from Eric. How the fuck is anyone supposed

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to make anything cool and make a living out of

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>music anymore? I quit touring to be with my kid,

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>but all the avenues I was going to explore and

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>crumble under my feet. I think that's a good question.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like music, but it's also just like,

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>how the fuck are you supposed to create anything anymore?

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I think the thing that the problem is that it

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>was never really a good way of making money before,

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Internet had this explosion of where it was

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>good to it was good to make money for a bit,

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>but there were only so many people who could I

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 2>mean iHeartRadio, and cool Zone came to me and I

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<v Speaker 2>did the podcast because they could pay like I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have done. Like the idea of starting a podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>like building an audience and selling ads sounds nightmarish to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine being a musician right now. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>the way that musicians I know are making money are

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<v Speaker 2>skipping streaming services, doing a shit ton of touring, doing

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<v Speaker 2>much like kind of old school measures. I know. These

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<v Speaker 2>aren't really good answers I have. I can only sing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't play any musical instruments I wish I could.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never toured with anyone or have experience with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my general thing with creators right now is and

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<v Speaker 2>the only really good advice I've ever had is find

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<v Speaker 2>whatever is easiest to do that. The reason I do

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<v Speaker 2>my newsletter is though they're very long, I enjoy doing

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<v Speaker 2>it and it isn't its work, I guess, but it

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<v Speaker 2>comes very naturally. I don't do anything that doesn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>find ways to streamline things that I don't like doing,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think anyone does, and I obviously like run

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<v Speaker 2>like a poff them and another thing, so like I

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<v Speaker 2>need to make sure my time is used well. But

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<v Speaker 2>the big thing is is I don't know how anyone

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<v Speaker 2>does anything independently anymore. The newsletter, I think I could

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<v Speaker 2>have monetized, but the best advice I got there was

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<v Speaker 2>from Drew Drew Fairweather. So I'm married to the sea

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<v Speaker 2>the shares. I was just keep creating stuff, which I

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<v Speaker 2>know is deeply unsatisfying. But the mistake that people get

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<v Speaker 2>pulled into is they're like, Okay, so I've got Patreon,

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got this, what platforms am I on? I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>the platform on this platform, my posting to social my

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<v Speaker 2>posting to LinkedIn, on my own my own Instagram? Do

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<v Speaker 2>I have Instagram clips? To have this? All of that

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<v Speaker 2>time could be spent making something. And indeed, this is

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<v Speaker 2>advice that I got from Sophie and Rob failure. Just

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<v Speaker 2>fucking record, just go for it. You will never be perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>you will never be able to do a flawless episode

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<v Speaker 2>of flawless product. What will come through is that you

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<v Speaker 2>care about doing it and you're actually fucking doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because so many people get obsessed with the social media

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<v Speaker 2>of it, or with the push it like with the

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<v Speaker 2>I must hit content every week in this way, in

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<v Speaker 2>this perfect way, with all these clips that I must

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<v Speaker 2>resemble another content creator, when what really comes down to

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<v Speaker 2>is just push it out. Try stuff. Another great bit

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<v Speaker 2>of advice I got was some oneerful Matt Weinberger. You

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<v Speaker 2>speak business inside, a great editor, great writer, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>look to hit singles rather than home runs. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to just keep putting stuff out regularly enough you get

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<v Speaker 2>feedback that you get the natural feeling of what bangs

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<v Speaker 2>before you even finish it. That way, it will have

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<v Speaker 2>more mass appeal because you'll learn more from people's reaction

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<v Speaker 2>and from creating stuff than you ever will from doing

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect social campaign, from following the right people, from

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<v Speaker 2>having enough ree tweets. In this the beginning sucks. When

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<v Speaker 2>I started, I already had somewhat of a following. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 2>from pr I can, I can only recommend just creating more.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized this is kind of an unsatisfying answer, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are no good ones here. Discovery sucks on everything now.

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<v Speaker 1>When I started his podcast, he was like, I'm terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they have to tell me to do less.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. Last question from Carolina. They say I have

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<v Speaker 1>an underlying curiosity to hear what your cat's favorite toys

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<v Speaker 1>are and if they like chuu is that how you

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Judo? Is this last?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>This goop? I have yet to give my cats the goop.

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<v Speaker 2>So Babu pokey Howl doesn't really like I am his toy.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes and sits on me. He bites my hand occasion,

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<v Speaker 2>he purs the lies down. He's a big, big softie.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with Tingis Pingers. Tingus Pingus doesn't really play pokem

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<v Speaker 2>Barbou's favorite toys each other. They chase each other two bengals.

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<v Speaker 2>They just bolt around the house. They don't do it much.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one of those cat wheels. Baboo will go

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<v Speaker 2>and run on it for fifteen seconds. He will walk

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<v Speaker 2>over meow, run on it, get ahead of steam and

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<v Speaker 2>then stop and then sit down on him. They like

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<v Speaker 2>the classic dangly toys. They like to jump Babo. We

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<v Speaker 2>have like a river in the wall where we put

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<v Speaker 2>something very high with like one of the Dangly ones,

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<v Speaker 2>and Bubba will just do these insane like six foot

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<v Speaker 2>tool jumps. He loves oh, he loves it. He loves it.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, of course boxes. Anytime I get a box

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<v Speaker 2>they get they want to get in that. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to play in the box, the twist tie things. I

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<v Speaker 2>get cheap toys for them because they seem just as happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing is, this isn't really a toy, but I

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<v Speaker 2>got one of these donut beds for the cats and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't use it for a year, and then one

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<v Speaker 2>day I found, in the space of twenty four hours,

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<v Speaker 2>all three of them trying the doughnut hole in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Pingus mostly uses it. I have never tried giving

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<v Speaker 2>them turu. I am now going to get some turu

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<v Speaker 2>and try, just because have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried one of those like glove brushes my best friend's cats.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to their house and I just sit there

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<v Speaker 1>with the brush and they're just so.

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<v Speaker 2>I get one of them and I use it a

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<v Speaker 2>few times, and it never seems to there is always

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<v Speaker 2>more hair. So I think I need to get a

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<v Speaker 2>deeper groom.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even for the brush, it's not even for the

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<v Speaker 1>grooming or they love it.

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<v Speaker 2>They love it. Yeah, I pull that thing out sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when Pingus, I don't know, he looks particularly cute, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just go and pick it. I go and

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<v Speaker 2>pick him up and sit down and start like grooming him,

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<v Speaker 2>like blowfeld but with a giant kind of like blue

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>spiky glove. Looks very sinister, but he really, he really,

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<v Speaker 2>Pingus is the sweetie. He's the sweetest of them, all

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of them is. I'm blessed my beautiful cats and my

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<v Speaker 2>friends as well, but my cats. Really, I genuinely believe

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that cats echo something about their owners. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have someone with like super dysfunctional cats as a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yeah, I feel that way about my dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>They are me and I am them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're wonderful dogs. I've yet to meet them, though,

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how will you have to make it? Yeah you will,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I am going to get Churu off to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually have some because they gave it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>To thought you were going to say you were eating some.

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<v Speaker 1>No, somebody gave somebody and when I when I they

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<v Speaker 1>was like trying to it was it's like a in

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a for like pill pill hiding for pets.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody gave it to me as like a thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>turns out Truman will eat it, eat it, eat a

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<v Speaker 1>pill out of my hand, just all a cart. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need the true perfect dog. She's an angel. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a good girl. Well, yeah, you did the you did

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<v Speaker 1>the mailbag. You did did.

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<v Speaker 2>The mail bag. I will do another one of these

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<v Speaker 2>in maybe a month or two. I love doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>I love hearing from all of you. And genuinely thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to all the listeners who reach out regularly, because

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<v Speaker 2>if I say so much as something negative about myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you are all very reassuring and you refuse to accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you all genuinely. I'm blessed to have you,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you for listening. And yeah, until next time, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being on with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course I can't wait to teach you

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<v Speaker 1>more about basketball, prop and Ian or are the group

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<v Speaker 1>chat has decided You're You're in the club. You made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, I'll look forward to it. Thank you for listening, everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>composer of the Better Offline theme song is Matasowski. You

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