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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your host ed zitron. Today.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by the wonderful Sophie Lichtorman, who will be
Speaker 2: overseeing our Q and A episode, our very first one. Sophie,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of the Q and a MC over
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Speaker 2: But Sophie, why don't we take it away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just going to jump through some of these
Speaker 1: questions and and good yeah, and like, thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for them, Like we really genuinely appreciate it.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's cool that you have a podcast where
Speaker 1: people like you enough where they want to ask you questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sick all right, I'm going to start with.
Speaker 1: A question from Garrett Smart. Do you think AI is
Speaker 1: actually useful and any capacity even as an assistant in
Speaker 1: the areas of art or programming?
Speaker 2: If so, why so? When it comes to art, I
Speaker 2: think that there are new functions like slightly better clone
Speaker 2: tools as well that I've heard people use. But really
Speaker 2: this is just a bridge from photoshop. I will say,
Speaker 2: for the most part, art is a not a great
Speaker 2: one because usually it's just getting rid of the creative side.
Speaker 2: Programming is a more complex ones. So there's an excellent
Speaker 2: video link to in the episode Notes from the Internet
Speaker 2: of Bucks that Carle Brown I think his name is.
Speaker 2: I really want him on the show, Carle if you're listening,
Speaker 2: please come on where he kind of said that generative
Speaker 2: AI code is different to what software engineering is. Like
Speaker 2: software engineering, he is solving a murder or an investigation
Speaker 2: far more than generative AI is just creating code, because
Speaker 2: software engineering isn't just spooting out code and saying here
Speaker 2: we go, we're done. We now have software. Software is
Speaker 2: a manifold series of different things you have to do,
Speaker 2: and on top of that, things break when you plug
Speaker 2: me into other things, and our internet and most software
Speaker 2: products are built in a patchwork of different things, so
Speaker 2: software development. The best I've heard is that it can
Speaker 2: be used in very controlled situations for very specific things.
Speaker 2: If you're really interested in learning what it can actually do.
Speaker 2: I recommend Max Wolf and Simon Wilson. I'll link them
Speaker 2: in the notes as well, but those two are no
Speaker 2: AI guys. I also really recommend the Internet Bugs, which
Speaker 2: again i'll link as well. There are software developers who
Speaker 2: use this stuff. I don't know about it, and actually
Speaker 2: the Internet of Bug videos really good as well, because
Speaker 2: it breaks the whole myth of oh Microsoft and Google
Speaker 2: saying twenty to thirty percent of their code is written
Speaker 2: by AI. It's kind of bullshit, as you'd expect, because
Speaker 2: you can't just hand off code like this. There's also
Speaker 2: vibe coding. Vibe coding in and of itself has so
Speaker 2: many problems in that. Yeah, when you create something that
Speaker 2: works in a way that you literally don't understand by definition, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably going to fucking break. I mean it will
Speaker 2: break at some point and you won't know how to
Speaker 2: fix it other than to poke the machine that build
Speaker 2: it and say, fix the problem. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: It's a good answer from Falcon Underscore nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear Ed's process for researching and
Speaker 1: planning his stuff. How long does it take to go
Speaker 1: from an idea to a finished article on podcast? I'm
Speaker 1: excited to hear the truth for this one.
Speaker 2: Okay, so soph Sophie's going to love this. So the
Speaker 2: answer is several seconds, or several days, or several weeks.
Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example. I have an upcoming
Speaker 2: newsletter that's about thirteen thousand words long. I'm going to
Speaker 2: break it into probably two or three episodes. That thing
Speaker 2: started with me listening to jojo Bizarre Adventure JoJo's Bizarre
Speaker 2: Adventure music, even sitting outside just it was a nice
Speaker 2: day and a smile. It was like, oh fuck. I
Speaker 2: started writing down like the most insane notes ever. I
Speaker 2: then sent that to my editor and my mate Casey,
Speaker 2: and we talked about it for like a day or two,
Speaker 2: and then I get pissed off, like a baby that
Speaker 2: needs to fart or burp. I sit there being mad
Speaker 2: at the idea. I message people like, what do you
Speaker 2: think about that? You ever see this? And they're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what You're talking about ed I don't
Speaker 2: understand what you're talking about. What do you mean? And
Speaker 2: then I'll then in explaining it to them, I'll actually
Speaker 2: come up with the idea, and then I will sit
Speaker 2: down and I will write for several hours, and I
Speaker 2: will write for several hours straight. I will research as
Speaker 2: I'm writing. There will be stuff that I pick up
Speaker 2: along the way in my day that I'm reading and
Speaker 2: I'll go, yeah, this kind of makes me feel annoyed
Speaker 2: or it feels like it slots in, and then I
Speaker 2: will go through a full I So the thirteen thousand
Speaker 2: and one took me about three days, probably three days,
Speaker 2: about three hours each, bits and pieces, and I'm researching
Speaker 2: as I go. That's a big part of my process,
Speaker 2: which sounds insane, but it's mostly because I'm try to
Speaker 2: explain it to myself as I go, which works pretty well.
Speaker 2: It makes the things a little long, but I mean
Speaker 2: that's why you listen to the podcast. Then there will
Speaker 2: be situations like with Giant Bomb. So the Giant Bomb
Speaker 2: episodes that came out last week, so that one came
Speaker 2: together in a few minutes. I was like, I messaged
Speaker 2: Dan Reichert over there and said, hey, look, I would
Speaker 2: love to do an episode with you guys and just
Speaker 2: came together quickly. It same with like Karen Howe, and
Speaker 2: so it really is a tapestry of different things. There
Speaker 2: will be times when I ping friends and just say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: what do you think about this idea? And I will
Speaker 2: shoot the shit with them for a few hours and
Speaker 2: something will come out. That's why I end up. I
Speaker 2: mentioned Casey Kagawa a lot is one of my closest friends,
Speaker 2: and we ideate a lot because we both have brain worms.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know if anyone else in the
Speaker 2: world writes like this. It sound it makes me sound insane,
Speaker 2: but I really enjoy it and I feel better at
Speaker 2: the end, like it feels like I really built something.
Speaker 2: It's it's cool. I like doing it. The monologues are
Speaker 2: insane in that those usually take me about ten minutes
Speaker 2: of pacing around thinking and then about twenty minutes of writing.
Speaker 2: Then I record straight because I like the monologues. The
Speaker 2: monologues I think I have more fun with than anything
Speaker 2: else because they're so low, they're low velocity, low pressure.
Speaker 2: I love doing them, like and I always I'll just
Speaker 2: do five minutes that comes out as ten, Oh, I
Speaker 2: really should do a monologue this week.
Speaker 1: I love your monologues.
Speaker 2: Oh they're the best. I really do it.
Speaker 1: I love that you were like, yeah, I'll try it,
Speaker 1: and then you were like, I had so much fun
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 2: It's because it's low pressure.
Speaker 1: You can tell them, but you can tell. That's why
Speaker 1: they're so That's why they're so good, because if you
Speaker 1: were doing them out of like, oh obligation to rant,
Speaker 1: as opposed to like I actually like doing, and then
Speaker 1: it's just not as interesting in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell.
Speaker 1: You can tell as like as like a podcast of
Speaker 1: a producer of many podcasts. You can tell when somebody's
Speaker 1: phoning it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I have it in me to
Speaker 2: phone it in. I guess, Oh you don't, I get.
Speaker 2: I mean the man who killed Google search? Do you
Speaker 2: know from last monologue? Sorry two monologues back. Even when
Speaker 2: we're recording. This was literally that came from me being
Speaker 2: pissed off about like I was trying to phone in
Speaker 2: as shean newsletter. It was like soup not she in
Speaker 2: newsletter podcast and it was super early and better offline,
Speaker 2: so I had no process. I was just like war
Speaker 2: just constantly worried every week. Not anymore though, Now I
Speaker 2: feast on content.
Speaker 1: Yeah you caught the podcast illness.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Evans madness.
Speaker 1: Let's do another one from Logan. My question is, how
Speaker 1: do you see the copyright lawsuits playing out and its
Speaker 1: effect on generative AI in the tech industry. Do you
Speaker 1: have faith that creators will win and copyrighted content will
Speaker 1: need to be pulled from these models, severely hindering their performance.
Speaker 2: I think that it's going to be it's a good question.
Speaker 2: It's going to be weird and confusing right up until
Speaker 2: it isn't.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to have like a un
Speaker 2: lateral win in any of these cases. It's never that clean,
Speaker 2: it's never that easy. But I think what is most
Speaker 2: likely to happen is there's going to be a win
Speaker 2: and then there will be a massive settlement. But that
Speaker 2: settlement will be used in the future to break these
Speaker 2: machines if they lose these things, and there is ever
Speaker 2: like a precedent set that says and I'm not a lawyer,
Speaker 2: I realized, but and they say, okay, this is the
Speaker 2: thing where this this proves that feeding into the models
Speaker 2: is a violation of Copyrea. Let's just say they can't
Speaker 2: untrain these things. They cannot do it. You cannot untrain
Speaker 2: a model. Once a model is trained, it's done. There
Speaker 2: are stages to them. They could probably revert back to
Speaker 2: from what I understand, but you can't just be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: remove all pictures of Scooby Doo, remove all pictures of Garfield.
Speaker 2: It's they And another important detail is the model developers
Speaker 2: don't really understand how these things work themselves. They're still
Speaker 2: working it out. It's why there's so many questions they have.
Speaker 2: When it's like they get where, they're like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just be very complex to remove the answer is
Speaker 2: they don't know how open AI like a year ago,
Speaker 2: said they were going to make a media central thing
Speaker 2: we could opt out of stuff just never happened. No
Speaker 2: one checked. On the less fun level, it will probably
Speaker 2: be a big settlement. On the funny level, will be
Speaker 2: the judge says, yeah, you have to amend your models.
Speaker 2: There is no amending these models. They will have to
Speaker 2: spend tens hundreds of millions of dollars to retrain anything
Speaker 2: that is used there. There will be some that refuse to.
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised to be elon musk if
Speaker 2: even order just goes, oh oh yeah, that's that's not epical.
Speaker 2: Bits they're not going to do it, and no one
Speaker 2: is gonna like, no one's going to outsue him. Open
Speaker 2: Ai is far more scared of that, anthropic, extremely weak
Speaker 2: to that. And on top of that, any of these
Speaker 2: lawsuits prevailing will fuck open AI's nonprofit situation, which is
Speaker 2: already pretty fucked like that. There are so many weak
Speaker 2: points in these companies that people don't realize, and there's
Speaker 2: always there's always hope, never get we've.
Speaker 3: Up hope that these assholes can get crushed, all right.
Speaker 1: From Mela, I think it's Mela, me e La. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if it's not Mela. Question I'm a teacher. Any
Speaker 1: thoughts on AI being implemented in the classroom, specifically in
Speaker 1: public schools. We talk about it pretty often because it
Speaker 1: constantly getting marketed as a tool, but it is mostly
Speaker 1: in the context of students learning on it to write research,
Speaker 1: but not about how it is being marketed to schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know this subject in depth, but
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I've heard of people using it for
Speaker 2: lesson plans. Teachers and if you're not a teacher and
Speaker 2: you hear this, teachers have to like buy all their
Speaker 2: own shit and they need to do all their own work.
Speaker 2: They get basically no support. So I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if the if open AI or one of these companies
Speaker 2: stru to push in and be like, oh, it's a
Speaker 2: teachers the system and it's a rare case where like
Speaker 2: maybe it kind of helps. But I think after a
Speaker 2: certain point, if you're making a lesson planned with CHET GPT,
Speaker 2: you're no longer fucking teaching. I think you're just you
Speaker 2: were just representing someone else's information and hoping it works.
Speaker 2: I worry about administrations in poorly funded education departments just
Speaker 2: being like okay, yeah, let's just shove this in here.
Speaker 2: I think the worries that people have over over the whole,
Speaker 2: like oh, kids are just going to be handed at
Speaker 2: GPT and told to go nuts, I don't think that
Speaker 2: will happen, just because well Google's already trying to do
Speaker 2: that with Gemini. They're already trying to give Gemini to kids.
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's going to last as long
Speaker 2: as people think, because at some point a child is
Speaker 2: going to hurt themselves because of one of these things
Speaker 2: or hurts someone else. And as much as we love
Speaker 2: our restrained, unrestrained capitalism in this country and the world
Speaker 2: at large, there comes a point where that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff you in Europe, like Europe will unhinge their jaw
Speaker 2: and swallow open AI whole. And the same with Google.
Speaker 2: If they do anything with kids and AI in a
Speaker 2: way they don't like over here, you're gonna see some tests.
Speaker 2: But the fund about the thing is it can't do
Speaker 2: the teaching part. It can do the hi I want,
Speaker 2: like finish my homework for me, but the actual lesson instruction. No,
Speaker 2: And nor is there a situation where they're just going
Speaker 2: to sit kids down in front of it, Because I
Speaker 2: don't know how would that even. I mean, sure, in
Speaker 2: some dystopian future we just handle a laptop and chat
Speaker 2: GPT and say go nuts. But on a practical level,
Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening. And if I guess
Speaker 2: you could say, then there are the doomers out there
Speaker 2: will say, oh, the Department of Education could force GROC
Speaker 2: onto everything. Ah. If you think in that way, if
Speaker 2: you constantly pull yourself in the Dumerius direction, yeah, anything
Speaker 2: can literally happen. Ever, anytime anything terrible can happen, I
Speaker 2: think you are going to see a lot of departments
Speaker 2: push teachers to learn this stuff. To the point in
Speaker 2: your question, I think when it becomes student facing, that's
Speaker 2: when things are going to get a little bit weird
Speaker 2: and a little bit crazier. Because another thing to think about,
Speaker 2: how well do you think conservatives will react to their
Speaker 2: child being plucked in front of chat GPT or Grok
Speaker 2: or what have you, and Grok or chat GPT tells
Speaker 2: them that like black people should have the same rights
Speaker 2: as white people. They're gonna hate that. They're going to
Speaker 2: be furious at that idea. They're going to say that
Speaker 2: they're being given a woke education. And there is only
Speaker 2: so much amendments you can do to a system prompt
Speaker 2: before you entirely break it, as proven by the fact
Speaker 2: that Grok talked about white genocide or the boas at
Speaker 2: nauseum the other day shout out to Kylie Robinson and
Speaker 2: went on, Chris has to talk about that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm it's a mix. It's really it's a question of
Speaker 2: how far this hype cycle goes and for how long,
Speaker 2: because if it lasts another two or three years somewhere
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. But I don't see that happening
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's really kind of gnarly for TEA
Speaker 1: when they can, when they can so easily tell that
Speaker 1: students are just using AI to turn in homework. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to create something that is like a plagiarism tracker,
Speaker 1: but it's like an AI tracker at some point you'd
Speaker 1: have to imagine.
Speaker 2: And those already exist, and they're already dinging students for
Speaker 2: And I think that there is a wider problem with
Speaker 2: our chat GPT essay writing thing, which is we don't
Speaker 2: teach children to write correct. I remember when I was
Speaker 2: at Penn State, I had a group project. If any
Speaker 2: who you're listening, I'm very sorry you're writing sucked. I
Speaker 2: had a group project with like seniors and juniors, and
Speaker 2: I was a sophomore at the time, and he was
Speaker 2: like an eighteen page, eighteen page double space essay, and
Speaker 2: everyone's writing was different but the same kind of bad,
Speaker 2: and it kind of mirrored the shitty writing of chat GPT.
Speaker 2: It's the kind of intro body conclusion slot we taught
Speaker 2: people to write like this and we graded them based
Speaker 2: on this writing. We don't because we think, oh, not
Speaker 2: everyone can write. Actually they can. I fully believe they
Speaker 2: can if given media to consume and encouragement and have
Speaker 2: good writers teach them. Because we do not prioritize communication
Speaker 2: as in fact, I think it is a word of thing.
Speaker 2: It's we don't prioritize teaching people communication at all. People
Speaker 2: are using chat GPT to mediate conflict because we don't
Speaker 2: have any kind of institutionalized mental health I don't mean
Speaker 2: like institutions, I mean like making people do mental health stuff.
Speaker 2: We don't have any kind of classes to teach people
Speaker 2: conflict resolution. And we also don't teach people how to
Speaker 2: fucking communicate. We romanticize, especially in college, this kind of
Speaker 2: overstaffed architect in the matrix style indubitably bullshit, which is
Speaker 2: about making yourself sound smart rather than actually communicating an
Speaker 2: intelligent point. This is a natural weak point for things
Speaker 2: like chat GPT, which is entirely about sounding smart without
Speaker 2: being smart. So I mean, I'm actually shocked that teachers
Speaker 2: can't tell that chat when chat gpt is writing, because
Speaker 2: I've been able to one hundred percent not it's when
Speaker 2: I get that slob. It's a really certain kind of echoing.
Speaker 2: Nothing behind it, There's no there is no I'm not
Speaker 2: even being kind of condescending. I mean there is a
Speaker 2: way it writes. There is a way that Claude rights
Speaker 2: as well. It always goes like that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's usually some kind of like indeed that is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there some like really strange or like an unusually
Speaker 1: awkward punctuation as well.
Speaker 2: That you can just tell and it doesn't feel right?
Speaker 2: And but again, if we have teachers that don't know
Speaker 2: how to write, who don't know what good writing is,
Speaker 2: they just and again that is a well not again
Speaker 2: I didn't say this yet, but there is also likely
Speaker 2: not the institutional support for teachers either. So it's just
Speaker 2: we create these weak systems that get exploited. And none
Speaker 2: of this is a business model for chat GPT either.
Speaker 2: Like they got sixteen point five million I think from
Speaker 2: cal State University cal State University system. It's like that's
Speaker 2: still losing the money and already people are trying to
Speaker 2: get rid of it. It's just it's also sickening.
Speaker 1: It's a mess. Let's go to a fun question from Nora.
Speaker 1: Do you have a piece of tech you wish had
Speaker 1: been successful but wasn't, or that you wish was widely
Speaker 1: influential but didn't turn out that way. I would love
Speaker 1: to know your answer to this question.
Speaker 2: So my one is the PlayStation Vita. So the PlayStation
Speaker 2: Veta was this little gaming console that Sony did. It
Speaker 2: was PlayStation three era, I think it was. It was
Speaker 2: so cool. It was like a step up from the
Speaker 2: PlayStation Portable. The graphics were good. It had this weird
Speaker 2: touch screen on the back that you could use. It
Speaker 2: really wasn't a great idea, but it was like they
Speaker 2: were trying stuff. It was also just a great form factor,
Speaker 2: great weight, great games, really great. Same with the PSP
Speaker 2: and I get why it didn't take off, and I
Speaker 2: think we are getting there. There's the GPD Win four,
Speaker 2: which is like a little gaming PC hand held. It
Speaker 2: kind of feels like it, but it's too chunky. I
Speaker 2: think in the next few years you might actually see
Speaker 2: growth in this because good lord is that like I
Speaker 2: love the mobile gaming PCs. And for the show, actually
Speaker 2: I'm playing with an Asus rog ally X, which is
Speaker 2: really cool. We are probably five to ten years away
Speaker 2: from what I'm dreaming of, which is a super thin
Speaker 2: one that's kind of like a Nintendo Switch but a
Speaker 2: powerful gaming PC. But I wish the PSVA had done
Speaker 2: better because we would have seen this quicker. We would
Speaker 2: have seen a push for smaller silicon for batteries, like
Speaker 2: there would have been just more money going into it.
Speaker 2: But again, maybe it didn't get there because the tech
Speaker 2: wasn't ready. I still loved it. I still really loved it,
Speaker 2: and I really love that form factor as well. And
Speaker 2: the big thing I guess I'm saying is it's not
Speaker 2: just do these things exist. It's like Sony is very
Speaker 2: good at ergonomic stuff. I love their controllers, like that
Speaker 2: was what really made it as well. It was just
Speaker 2: the I missed. I missed that, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: some If you are a listener who played with the
Speaker 2: PlayStation portableand PlayStation Vita homebrew scene, love you please email
Speaker 2: me up, love to talk about it. I miss it
Speaker 2: as cool as shit. Raymond Wong, who used to write
Speaker 2: in verses, did a lot about it as well. It's
Speaker 2: just I guess the part of tech I'm missing is
Speaker 2: well that never really took off, is these powerful port
Speaker 2: but handhelds, and we're so close we're so close. I
Speaker 2: can I can feel it. I can feel it, I
Speaker 2: can feel the cosmos. It's gonna be wonderful when it
Speaker 2: gets here.
Speaker 1: There was an article that I read a couple days
Speaker 1: ago from Vice that was probably, you know, not an
Speaker 1: original piece from Vice no offense device, that was like,
Speaker 1: your pets could one day be able to talk to
Speaker 1: you with AI. And I just like that to me
Speaker 1: was what you've been talking about. And there's a question
Speaker 1: that talks about the AI bubble burst, which is what
Speaker 1: this is leading into. You've talked about that. That is
Speaker 1: such an indicator to me that I'm like, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: Part of the joy of pets is that they can't
Speaker 2: communicate with us, and we have to show them extra
Speaker 2: love and affection. I know we have to understand their
Speaker 2: needs without fully understanding them. That we have to be
Speaker 2: empathetic and caring about them. The idea that also, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear what Babu thinks of me. I
Speaker 2: think he loves me, but he loves me. I think,
Speaker 2: how is the one my cat who kind of like
Speaker 2: stays in my office mostly he is the one who
Speaker 2: I think he's probably got some mean things to say.
Speaker 2: He loves me, but he also hits me in the
Speaker 2: face sometimes, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I think Anderson would not trade
Speaker 1: me for a piece of string cheese, but my newest
Speaker 1: rescue dog, Truman, I mean, I'd love for us to
Speaker 1: know when she'd be like that. I'm scared of that.
Speaker 1: But also, uh, I don't want to hear that she
Speaker 1: would trade me for a piece of string cheese, which
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she would at this point, and I
Speaker 1: understand it.
Speaker 2: What if my dog's racist?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, what if your dog has
Speaker 1: like really bad taste in television?
Speaker 2: Yeah you're Oh, what if your dog is just annoying?
Speaker 2: What if your dog just like hums Yeah? What if
Speaker 2: your dog's sitting there like are going hm mm, just
Speaker 2: like makes like weird mouth, Like there's just otherwise, Like,
Speaker 2: my pet's are beautiful and wonderful and I love them
Speaker 2: so much and they make my life so good. They
Speaker 2: really are angels.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, can you imagine?
Speaker 2: I know I don't need to well, I mean, Bobby
Speaker 2: talks to me anyway.
Speaker 1: I can understand almost everything that my dogs communicate to me,
Speaker 1: and that's great, and that's where it needs to stay.
Speaker 2: I think BOBU can understand me for sure. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I have tons of videos to be saying, Bobby, what
Speaker 2: you want and he mAbs at me. I'm saying really,
Speaker 2: he goes now it's okay. Yeah, we're talking. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm telling myself.
Speaker 1: Like Anderson Can, She's right behind me staring at you.
Speaker 2: A legend, the legend. Ye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's perfect. But like I think she is more
Speaker 1: self aware about what's going on in the world than
Speaker 1: most humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, from justin this was leading into the A bubble
Speaker 1: burst thing. As the AA bubble bursts, what will become
Speaker 1: of the many mediocre customers with overly reliant on it
Speaker 1: for just about everything. That's a great question.
Speaker 2: I think the first thing they're gonna find out is
Speaker 2: they're not reliant on it at all. But that is
Speaker 2: the the first thing they're going to discover is that
Speaker 2: they will never reliant on this stuff. I also think
Speaker 2: that in the event that they were reliant on it,
Speaker 2: they'll choose one of the many open source models. And
Speaker 2: because large language models are not going to disappear, it's
Speaker 2: not like open AI dies tomorrow. Large language models will
Speaker 2: not the hype cycle dies. They will not die. They
Speaker 2: are on device models that videos putting out like a
Speaker 2: three thousand dollar gy think it's the dgx box they're
Speaker 2: doing that can run large language models of a certain parameters.
Speaker 2: Like it's very doable. And there are gonna be people
Speaker 2: who just go, I don't I never really needed this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are gonna be those who say, oh, well, I
Speaker 2: use chet GPT for this, that and the other chat
Speaker 2: GPT dot com all forward to copilot, Like you're gonna
Speaker 2: have access to one of these fucking things. You're just
Speaker 2: going to find out what happens when people are not
Speaker 2: told to use this stuff, when people will naturally use it.
Speaker 2: And I think you can kind of see what will
Speaker 2: happen there. Based on the user numbers for these companies
Speaker 2: outside of open Ai, they can barely muster up the
Speaker 2: combined active users of like a free to play game
Speaker 2: that sells your information to the Chinese. Like, I think
Speaker 2: that so much of this demand is artificial too, And
Speaker 2: I think that it's curiosity. People are like, oh, I
Speaker 2: hear about this constantly, I should try it out, and
Speaker 2: then yeah, people are ultimately a bit lazy. I know
Speaker 2: I can be and they're like, oh, I'm in an
Speaker 2: argument with my mate, what do what do about it?
Speaker 2: How do I deal with the argument with my friend?
Speaker 2: Chat gpt? And there will be that people use it
Speaker 2: for that, but I also think that again, that's not
Speaker 2: a business model and people will not care for that.
Speaker 2: So I think the future will be large language models
Speaker 2: with heavy usage limits and premim ones that no one
Speaker 2: pays for really that are just way more expensive. And
Speaker 2: I really do think open Ai eventually cops it. I
Speaker 2: think get absorbed into Microsoft because we don't really have
Speaker 2: antitrust right now, so I.
Speaker 1: Think they'll just get paying for premium.
Speaker 2: Sadly, so they're paying. Open Ai gets like billions of
Speaker 2: dollars through this, but it's like people organizations buying it,
Speaker 2: and you have people think about it like this. If
Speaker 2: every single news outlet everywhere forever for two sorry not forever,
Speaker 2: for two years straight or more has said chat GPT
Speaker 2: AI generative AI, chat GPT, Yeah, billions of billions of
Speaker 2: dollars of revenue. Sure, people will shove money into something
Speaker 2: if they are told to. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: you have tons of business idiots who are just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need to put AI in my business, and I
Speaker 2: have the podcast that's coming up. I actually believe our
Speaker 2: economy is run by a lot of people who don't
Speaker 2: do any work, so this shit seems like magic. Of
Speaker 2: course they'll buy it for their entire organization. They don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, sure, put chat
Speaker 2: GPT in everything. That's how that works. Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2: And I think that when it goes to way, we'll
Speaker 2: check GPT does. I think that we'll probably see just
Speaker 2: the kind of very boring large language model industry and
Speaker 2: it just it just won't It won't be as prevalent,
Speaker 2: you won't hear about it as much, and it will
Speaker 2: actually be better for the tech. I think.
Speaker 1: All told, and we're back from p I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to get this right. P eight N T B
Speaker 1: A l l n x J. I think I did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to say paintball and an ex J.
Speaker 1: All right, the question is ed, what are your favorite
Speaker 1: activities that have nothing to do with the tech?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a local basketball court I've been
Speaker 2: going to on my own, and I've been playing basketball
Speaker 2: on my own, which sounds very sad, but no, it does.
Speaker 2: It I do a shit ton of fitness, so last
Speaker 2: year lost a ton of way. I'm down like buck
Speaker 2: sixty five. Now muscle it's great, so I work out
Speaker 2: a lot. The reason I don't bring uplifting is because
Speaker 2: that's tech, Like my tone is a tech thing. Basketball
Speaker 2: is not. It's me, my music and hoop him. And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I am one of the worst shooters
Speaker 2: of all time. I am so bad at it. But
Speaker 2: I really like rebounding. And I really like the cardio
Speaker 2: thing because I needed a cardio level to go because
Speaker 2: my boxing was kind of stalling. So I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: just like running around for half an hour, like catching
Speaker 2: a ball in the air and shooting it. And then
Speaker 2: I play.
Speaker 1: Basketball with you.
Speaker 2: You will demolish men. I have the cardio. I have
Speaker 2: the cardio, but I am like, how tall are you?
Speaker 1: I'm five three on a good day.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah I might, I might be all right there,
Speaker 2: I'm five nine.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was captain of my varsity basketball team.
Speaker 2: Oh then you'll demolish me. Then, okay, you will, you
Speaker 2: will say, and me to hell. You'll be able to
Speaker 2: actually get the ball in the hoop, which is my
Speaker 2: one problem. But I really like that, and I really
Speaker 2: like barbecue, so I have two pellet smokers, which I
Speaker 2: realized to some listeners who do like the wood chunks
Speaker 2: is kind of considered harahm. But fuck you, you purist bastard.
Speaker 2: But I love making ribs. I love making tritip. I
Speaker 2: hate making brisket. It was a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: really I love try tips. My tried tips incredible as well.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy that I do use some tech things.
Speaker 2: I have a combustion thermometer, but really is just a
Speaker 2: giant's steel thing full of smoke that I watch and
Speaker 2: it's great, and it honestly has been really good for me,
Speaker 2: and it allows me to cook for people, which I
Speaker 2: love doing. And yeah, and when I'm waiting for stuff
Speaker 2: to cook, I will stand watching TV outside bouncing the
Speaker 2: basketball around, catching it in the air. I just I
Speaker 2: have some weird habits, as you can probably guess. But
Speaker 2: I really enjoy like being bad at basketball. Honestly have
Speaker 2: not enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Do you like watch basketball?
Speaker 2: I'm getting there. I'm still learning. The people I know
Speaker 2: that like James Harden is constantly at strip clubs or
Speaker 2: being traded.
Speaker 1: I hate him. My brother played against him. In high school.
Speaker 1: It's been an asshole since he was a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he seems to like enjoy like tricking people
Speaker 2: into doing fowls. But I just I'd like him more
Speaker 2: if he was ruder, like if he was more of
Speaker 2: a heel, if he like, like was like the fans
Speaker 2: a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, prop Ian and I can teach you.
Speaker 2: I would love to learn basketball.
Speaker 1: You're a Lakers, by the way. Cool, it's good you've
Speaker 1: been assigned.
Speaker 2: Baseball as well. I really enjoyed baseball or going to
Speaker 2: baseball a few years ago. I really enjoy going to baseball.
Speaker 2: Don't really enjoy watching it on TV like I can,
Speaker 2: but I need to like have a reason name there,
Speaker 2: Like it needs to be like a like an LDS
Speaker 2: or something. I'm like a Dodger's padres Mets fan. It's
Speaker 2: a whole mess. Really, I'm more of a game. I'm
Speaker 2: like the Rob Low wearing the NFL hat guy. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I'm here for the game. But I really do.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy baseball, And with that in mind, I
Speaker 2: also enjoy but I haven't been for a while going
Speaker 2: to a batting cage. I really enjoyed batting cages. It's
Speaker 2: just especially when you're on the computer all the time,
Speaker 2: you're looking at screens of the time, and you just
Speaker 2: go and you hit a ball that's like thrown at
Speaker 2: you at seventy miles an hour. It's very difficult, but again,
Speaker 2: really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about like mini golf and like
Speaker 1: the driving range?
Speaker 2: I do. I like mini golf. Never done a driving range, though,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: Mini golf a lot. Mini golf is great, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that like what's it called
Speaker 1: the like yassified like driving range where they're oh top golf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really don't enjoy top golf.
Speaker 2: Oh it's just I've never like really known where you'd go.
Speaker 2: I guess it just felt like a driving range to me.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I like mini golf. I think minigal's
Speaker 2: fun and silly.
Speaker 1: I like like a really like old school minigol of
Speaker 1: course that you know has been there.
Speaker 2: Forever and like, yeah, it's kind of shit.
Speaker 1: It's shit in the town and there's like no tech.
Speaker 1: It's just like really bad like wood in wood in art,
Speaker 1: and it's just hilarious.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's meant to go in the
Speaker 2: certain place you keep playing anywhere. Bowling no, So I
Speaker 2: have a coordinational disability call dyspraxia, which is really weird.
Speaker 2: I realize basketball has honestly beat an exploration of how
Speaker 2: prevalent that is in my life though, because I could
Speaker 2: not dribble the ball when I started, like I physically
Speaker 2: could not, I would get maybe three or four bounces
Speaker 2: before I drop it. Now I can run at full
Speaker 2: speed up and down the court, dribbling, changing hands, I
Speaker 2: can turn around, I can grab the ball in the air.
Speaker 2: So it's been this weird exploration. So bowling might be
Speaker 2: one of those things where maybe if I try it more.
Speaker 1: I don't know the sticking your fingers into dirty holes
Speaker 1: thing is I can.
Speaker 2: We all been there, but it's it's it's one of
Speaker 2: those things where six months ago I would have said no.
Speaker 2: But the basketball side again on screens all day. So
Speaker 2: like my achievements are all typing, but like being able
Speaker 2: to grab a ball out of the air, being able
Speaker 2: to actually rebound successfully, it's thrilling. I really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: And it's like something where I can't look at a screen.
Speaker 2: I have to look at where I'm going to miss.
Speaker 1: Next I'm telling I'm going to text Ian and prop
Speaker 1: right now. We're going to give you a full basketball education.
Speaker 2: I would love that. I would genuinely love that Casey
Speaker 2: could go off. Friends of the Show got me into
Speaker 2: baseball in the same way that's how I get into sport.
Speaker 2: I also do watch the NFL, but I think saying
Speaker 2: I like the Raiders is a stretch. It's like attending
Speaker 2: a year's long class action suit.
Speaker 1: That was the weirdest thing that's ever coming out of
Speaker 1: your mouth. The Raider, I know, locationally sure, but like
Speaker 1: to actually like the Raiders, you have to be a
Speaker 1: specific type of person, which you are not. Well.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is is Arifasan from sixty Minute Drill
Speaker 2: Football podcast I Do laughed at me once because he
Speaker 2: asked on the part he said, why'd you get in
Speaker 2: the Raiders? I was like, Oh, I lived in Oakland
Speaker 2: at the time and the season tickets really cheap. But
Speaker 2: he just goes, you got into a football team because
Speaker 2: of market conditions, And that is something that will haunt
Speaker 2: me for the rest of my life because it's true. However,
Speaker 2: the team might be good this year, maybe yeah, but
Speaker 2: I haven't had hope before so who cares? Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 2: and also the show JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. That's another thing
Speaker 2: I really like. I don't want to get me talking.
Speaker 1: About that, is that the question about Jojo.
Speaker 2: Is, yeah, there's you can skip that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what that is. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I.
Speaker 2: Would have to explain a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm not like that one over in my head. I'll
Speaker 1: ask one more serious one and then we'll do the cats.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, all right?
Speaker 1: Um, I just wonder if I want to ask that's serious?
Speaker 2: Eh?
Speaker 1: This comes from Eric. How the fuck is anyone supposed
Speaker 1: to make anything cool and make a living out of
Speaker 1: music anymore? I quit touring to be with my kid,
Speaker 1: but all the avenues I was going to explore and
Speaker 1: crumble under my feet. I think that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I think that's like music, but it's also just like,
Speaker 1: how the fuck are you supposed to create anything anymore?
Speaker 2: I think the thing that the problem is that it
Speaker 2: was never really a good way of making money before,
Speaker 2: and the Internet had this explosion of where it was
Speaker 2: good to it was good to make money for a bit,
Speaker 2: but there were only so many people who could I
Speaker 2: mean iHeartRadio, and cool Zone came to me and I
Speaker 2: did the podcast because they could pay like I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have done. Like the idea of starting a podcast and
Speaker 2: like building an audience and selling ads sounds nightmarish to me.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine being a musician right now. It seems
Speaker 2: the way that musicians I know are making money are
Speaker 2: skipping streaming services, doing a shit ton of touring, doing
Speaker 2: much like kind of old school measures. I know. These
Speaker 2: aren't really good answers I have. I can only sing.
Speaker 2: I can't play any musical instruments I wish I could.
Speaker 2: I've never toured with anyone or have experience with that.
Speaker 2: But my general thing with creators right now is and
Speaker 2: the only really good advice I've ever had is find
Speaker 2: whatever is easiest to do that. The reason I do
Speaker 2: my newsletter is though they're very long, I enjoy doing
Speaker 2: it and it isn't its work, I guess, but it
Speaker 2: comes very naturally. I don't do anything that doesn't. I
Speaker 2: find ways to streamline things that I don't like doing,
Speaker 2: like I think anyone does, and I obviously like run
Speaker 2: like a poff them and another thing, so like I
Speaker 2: need to make sure my time is used well. But
Speaker 2: the big thing is is I don't know how anyone
Speaker 2: does anything independently anymore. The newsletter, I think I could
Speaker 2: have monetized, but the best advice I got there was
Speaker 2: from Drew Drew Fairweather. So I'm married to the sea
Speaker 2: the shares. I was just keep creating stuff, which I
Speaker 2: know is deeply unsatisfying. But the mistake that people get
Speaker 2: pulled into is they're like, Okay, so I've got Patreon,
Speaker 2: I've got this, what platforms am I on? I'm on
Speaker 2: the platform on this platform, my posting to social my
Speaker 2: posting to LinkedIn, on my own my own Instagram? Do
Speaker 2: I have Instagram clips? To have this? All of that
Speaker 2: time could be spent making something. And indeed, this is
Speaker 2: advice that I got from Sophie and Rob failure. Just
Speaker 2: fucking record, just go for it. You will never be perfect,
Speaker 2: you will never be able to do a flawless episode
Speaker 2: of flawless product. What will come through is that you
Speaker 2: care about doing it and you're actually fucking doing it.
Speaker 2: Because so many people get obsessed with the social media
Speaker 2: of it, or with the push it like with the
Speaker 2: I must hit content every week in this way, in
Speaker 2: this perfect way, with all these clips that I must
Speaker 2: resemble another content creator, when what really comes down to
Speaker 2: is just push it out. Try stuff. Another great bit
Speaker 2: of advice I got was some oneerful Matt Weinberger. You
Speaker 2: speak business inside, a great editor, great writer, and he said,
Speaker 2: look to hit singles rather than home runs. You want
Speaker 2: to just keep putting stuff out regularly enough you get
Speaker 2: feedback that you get the natural feeling of what bangs
Speaker 2: before you even finish it. That way, it will have
Speaker 2: more mass appeal because you'll learn more from people's reaction
Speaker 2: and from creating stuff than you ever will from doing
Speaker 2: a perfect social campaign, from following the right people, from
Speaker 2: having enough ree tweets. In this the beginning sucks. When
Speaker 2: I started, I already had somewhat of a following. Ironically,
Speaker 2: from pr I can, I can only recommend just creating more.
Speaker 2: I realized this is kind of an unsatisfying answer, but
Speaker 2: there are no good ones here. Discovery sucks on everything now.
Speaker 1: When I started his podcast, he was like, I'm terrible,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Now they have to tell me to do less.
Speaker 1: It's true. Last question from Carolina. They say I have
Speaker 1: an underlying curiosity to hear what your cat's favorite toys
Speaker 1: are and if they like chuu is that how you
Speaker 1: pronounced that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Judo? Is this last?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: This goop? I have yet to give my cats the goop.
Speaker 2: So Babu pokey Howl doesn't really like I am his toy.
Speaker 2: He comes and sits on me. He bites my hand occasion,
Speaker 2: he purs the lies down. He's a big, big softie.
Speaker 2: Same with Tingis Pingers. Tingus Pingus doesn't really play pokem
Speaker 2: Barbou's favorite toys each other. They chase each other two bengals.
Speaker 2: They just bolt around the house. They don't do it much.
Speaker 2: I have one of those cat wheels. Baboo will go
Speaker 2: and run on it for fifteen seconds. He will walk
Speaker 2: over meow, run on it, get ahead of steam and
Speaker 2: then stop and then sit down on him. They like
Speaker 2: the classic dangly toys. They like to jump Babo. We
Speaker 2: have like a river in the wall where we put
Speaker 2: something very high with like one of the Dangly ones,
Speaker 2: and Bubba will just do these insane like six foot
Speaker 2: tool jumps. He loves oh, he loves it. He loves it.
Speaker 2: And yes, of course boxes. Anytime I get a box
Speaker 2: they get they want to get in that. They want
Speaker 2: to play in the box, the twist tie things. I
Speaker 2: get cheap toys for them because they seem just as happy.
Speaker 2: Another thing is, this isn't really a toy, but I
Speaker 2: got one of these donut beds for the cats and
Speaker 2: they didn't use it for a year, and then one
Speaker 2: day I found, in the space of twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: all three of them trying the doughnut hole in the middle.
Speaker 2: Now Pingus mostly uses it. I have never tried giving
Speaker 2: them turu. I am now going to get some turu
Speaker 2: and try, just because have you.
Speaker 1: Tried one of those like glove brushes my best friend's cats.
Speaker 1: I go to their house and I just sit there
Speaker 1: with the brush and they're just so.
Speaker 2: I get one of them and I use it a
Speaker 2: few times, and it never seems to there is always
Speaker 2: more hair. So I think I need to get a
Speaker 2: deeper groom.
Speaker 1: Not even for the brush, it's not even for the
Speaker 1: grooming or they love it.
Speaker 2: They love it. Yeah, I pull that thing out sometimes
Speaker 2: when Pingus, I don't know, he looks particularly cute, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just go and pick it. I go and
Speaker 2: pick him up and sit down and start like grooming him,
Speaker 2: like blowfeld but with a giant kind of like blue
Speaker 2: spiky glove. Looks very sinister, but he really, he really,
Speaker 2: Pingus is the sweetie. He's the sweetest of them, all
Speaker 2: of them is. I'm blessed my beautiful cats and my
Speaker 2: friends as well, but my cats. Really, I genuinely believe
Speaker 2: that cats echo something about their owners. So if you
Speaker 2: have someone with like super dysfunctional cats as a reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, I feel that way about my dogs.
Speaker 1: They are me and I am them.
Speaker 2: Well, they're wonderful dogs. I've yet to meet them, though,
Speaker 2: wonder how will you have to make it? Yeah you will,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I am going to get Churu off to this.
Speaker 1: I actually have some because they gave it to me.
Speaker 2: To thought you were going to say you were eating some.
Speaker 1: No, somebody gave somebody and when I when I they
Speaker 1: was like trying to it was it's like a in
Speaker 1: like a like a for like pill pill hiding for pets.
Speaker 1: Somebody gave it to me as like a thing. But
Speaker 1: turns out Truman will eat it, eat it, eat a
Speaker 1: pill out of my hand, just all a cart. She
Speaker 1: doesn't need the true perfect dog. She's an angel. She's
Speaker 1: a good girl. Well, yeah, you did the you did
Speaker 1: the mailbag. You did did.
Speaker 2: The mail bag. I will do another one of these
Speaker 2: in maybe a month or two. I love doing this.
Speaker 2: I love hearing from all of you. And genuinely thank
Speaker 2: you to all the listeners who reach out regularly, because
Speaker 2: if I say so much as something negative about myself,
Speaker 2: you are all very reassuring and you refuse to accept it.
Speaker 2: I love you all genuinely. I'm blessed to have you,
Speaker 2: so thank you for listening. And yeah, until next time, Sophie,
Speaker 2: thank you for being on with me.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I can't wait to teach you
Speaker 1: more about basketball, prop and Ian or are the group
Speaker 1: chat has decided You're You're in the club. You made it.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'll look forward to it. Thank you for listening, everyone,
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