Speaker 1: Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes
Speaker 1: a week was enough, I think again. He's the last
Speaker 1: remnants of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness.
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Speaker 1: of Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth
Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller starts right now, a fire cracker
Speaker 1: hot edition of the Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard. We
Speaker 1: are in the air everywhere the vast power of the
Speaker 1: I Heart Podcast network, because four hours are not enough
Speaker 1: on the overnight show, and we're doing this eight days
Speaker 1: a week. And yet again we are joined by David Gascon.
Speaker 1: He was writing Shotgun in this operation, and he is
Speaker 1: with me, and this is guest. I'm excited about this.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to talking to our I don't know
Speaker 1: if we call him a guest or a friend hanging
Speaker 1: out with us, but I will put the caveat here.
Speaker 1: I have to put these caveats at the disclaimer at
Speaker 1: the beginning. If you are easily triggered by political content
Speaker 1: and polarizing issues, this is not the podcast for you.
Speaker 1: Surgeon General's warning you should have already known that by
Speaker 1: already downloading the podcast. But we are going to chat
Speaker 1: here in a couple of minutes with Dave Rubin, who
Speaker 1: has been a a successful He's got a huge following
Speaker 1: on social media. He is a contributor, he pops up
Speaker 1: on UH, Fox News and elsewhere. He's a political pundit.
Speaker 1: He's he's got some interesting opinions on everything, and I
Speaker 1: think he's the perfect guy to have on Guesscon because
Speaker 1: everything has been intertwined now in sports and politics. The
Speaker 1: sports leagues are on board with politics, whether we like
Speaker 1: it or not. They have embraced this, and so I
Speaker 1: figured we should have Dave on here, not you Dave
Speaker 1: gesc but the other day, UH, to get some perspective
Speaker 1: from someone that's in the mud, in the political mud
Speaker 1: and deals with this stuff every single day, every minute
Speaker 1: of every day. And the nice thing is is that,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a New Yorker, so he's got a
Speaker 1: great perspective East coast, West coast, uh and everything in between.
Speaker 1: So this will be a lot of fun. I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, absolutely. And he's got a book out
Speaker 1: that we will talk about. We'll ask him about the
Speaker 1: book here at some point it's don't burn this book
Speaker 1: written by Dave Ruben and the man that will be
Speaker 1: on here. He's also available on Twitter. You can follow
Speaker 1: him if he probably already you follow him Reuben Report.
Speaker 1: That's rub I n Reuben Report. He's on there. We're
Speaker 1: on Twitter as well. We don't have as many followers
Speaker 1: though as he does. Ben Maller at Ben Maller. You
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter. Guesscon. You're on there on
Speaker 1: Twitter at David J. Gascon. Alright, so without further ado here,
Speaker 1: let's welcome in. The man will be hanging out with
Speaker 1: hopefully a good amount of time. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: we go with him. Dave Ruben, who joins us in Dave,
Speaker 1: welcome in. I this is supposedly kind of a sports podcast,
Speaker 1: so why don't we start with that? And uh, yours.
Speaker 1: You have a background as a sports fan, So what
Speaker 1: teams do you like growing up? Give me a little
Speaker 1: history on Dave Ruben the sports fan. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I was a huge Yankees fan. Baseball was was my
Speaker 1: first love. So you know, the Yankees were had some
Speaker 1: pretty terrible teams when I was growing up. I was
Speaker 1: born in seventies six, so those you know eighties Yankees
Speaker 1: teams had Mattingly and nobody else basically for a long time.
Speaker 1: And then by the time I was in college, I
Speaker 1: think ninety four, the Yanks won the World Series and
Speaker 1: then obviously pretty great. Since then, basketball is really my
Speaker 1: my true sport. Although you know, in a crazy way,
Speaker 1: I turned out to be a Portland Trailblazer fan because
Speaker 1: I saw Clyde Drexler playing. I think this was the
Speaker 1: eighty nine or nine day off, so it was the
Speaker 1: first time I ever watched basketball and I saw this
Speaker 1: guy dribbling with his head down. It looked like he
Speaker 1: was barely paying attention. And he had like forty points
Speaker 1: and twelve rebounds and eight assists that I just loved.
Speaker 1: How cool and calm, no show voting and uh and
Speaker 1: actually we we text every now and again now, so us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of cool when you get to
Speaker 1: connect with some of your heroes from your childhood. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, and I guess so he were around
Speaker 1: the same age day, so that's like the Stump Merril
Speaker 1: Yankees of the nineties right when he was Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were there pretty terrible. So I wanted to have
Speaker 1: you and I love your stuff. And and there's so
Speaker 1: much going on right now in in sports that are political,
Speaker 1: like uh, and I do an overnight sports radio show,
Speaker 1: and very really obviously we haven't had sports since March
Speaker 1: team sports, but it's all been politicized here And why
Speaker 1: is this taking place? What is your theory on why
Speaker 1: this is now? This is now hip? Yeah? Well, first off,
Speaker 1: I would say it's it's really deeply dy injurious. The
Speaker 1: fact that politics has leaked into everything, I mean, every
Speaker 1: corner of our society. You know, sports media, every Netflix show,
Speaker 1: you open Apple TV and there's a political message. Um.
Speaker 1: The fact that that politics and the sort of day
Speaker 1: to day machination of what's happening in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: And this culture war has has steeped into everything else
Speaker 1: is very dangerous because, you know, a healthy society, we
Speaker 1: need escapes. There's a reason people love sports. You may
Speaker 1: love sports because you love playing sports, and you love
Speaker 1: the competition and you love getting out there and sweating
Speaker 1: and and all of that stuff. But the other reason
Speaker 1: we love watching sports is because it's an escape. You know,
Speaker 1: even now when I do cardio, I've got a cardio
Speaker 1: machine in my office and when I do cardio, I
Speaker 1: watch old NBA games. That's what I watch. I watch
Speaker 1: late eighties, early nineties, you know, Bowls, Championship years, um
Speaker 1: NBA games. I've I've been the mid watching the entire season.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm just picking old games that I know
Speaker 1: are great and I watched. And what happens is my
Speaker 1: brain is allowed to escape the day to day craziness
Speaker 1: and the fact that now you know, the NBA is
Speaker 1: gonna come back and it's gonna say Black Lives Matter
Speaker 1: on the court and some of the players are going
Speaker 1: to have social justice messages on their jerseys and the
Speaker 1: rest of it. It's really dangerous because a society that
Speaker 1: can never escape politics, I think is a very unhealthy society.
Speaker 1: And it's really disappointing what's happening with the NBA right now.
Speaker 1: And I saw even I guess it's outside was it
Speaker 1: outside Fenway Park? Now they're gonna have a big Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter UH banner or something. And it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter what you feel, whether you believe in the Black
Speaker 1: Lives movement, black Lives Matter movement, or you don't believe
Speaker 1: in it, or you don't like the messaging, or you
Speaker 1: do like the messaging. It's more the broader point that
Speaker 1: we need moments to escape, we need sports to escape,
Speaker 1: we need art, we need music to escape. But if
Speaker 1: all of our music is going to be about this,
Speaker 1: and all of our sports, we're gonna be about it. Man,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at each other throughout twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day. You know, I've been ringing the alarm on
Speaker 1: this thing for a couple of years, and here it is. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, And and you look at I've worked in
Speaker 1: the sports world for a long time and talk to
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. But the popular TV trope
Speaker 1: is that you've got the dumb jock right in all this.
Speaker 1: And and now we're supposed to believe that these guys
Speaker 1: are on top of everything, Dave, that they they are
Speaker 1: on the pulse of society, and we're supposed to listen
Speaker 1: to them. And they have so much influence? Do they
Speaker 1: You think they have as much influence as they think
Speaker 1: they do. You know, it's hard to say. I I
Speaker 1: think that especially young people can be influenced. But you know,
Speaker 1: I remember around Dream Team time when Barkley was outspoken
Speaker 1: about everything, and he used to say, I'm not a
Speaker 1: role model. And I remember as a kid, I was
Speaker 1: about sixteen years old or so, and it didn't really
Speaker 1: make sense to me because it was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean, Like, you guys are all my heroes. I
Speaker 1: of all you guys, you know, everybody on that team.
Speaker 1: How could you not be a role model. But in
Speaker 1: a certain sense, he Shuli was telling the truth. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Barkley, even in the last week, he's
Speaker 1: been speaking up about some of this stuff, and as
Speaker 1: always he's pretty on point. I mean, Barkley, Barkley really
Speaker 1: does seem to get it. Um. It's not even a
Speaker 1: specific matter of whether some of the athletes have more
Speaker 1: insight into it or not. I don't mind people speaking up,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a free speech guy. But it's more
Speaker 1: the broader point. It's that if we if you show
Speaker 1: up to an NBA game and they got Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter on the court and you got social justice warrior
Speaker 1: this on his jersey and the other one on this jersey,
Speaker 1: that basketball will become secondary. And as I said, sports
Speaker 1: are the great escape. So it's right. Well, the other
Speaker 1: and the other bigger issue I think is that once
Speaker 1: this this social justice virus, and that is what I
Speaker 1: call it. It is a virus. A virus is very
Speaker 1: easy to catch and very hard to get rid of.
Speaker 1: Right we're dealing with the pandemic right now. Coronavirus is
Speaker 1: very easy to catch and hard to get rid of.
Speaker 1: That's why we're taking these precautions once this thing gets
Speaker 1: to any system. So right now, it seemingly has infected
Speaker 1: the NBA, it seemingly has affected the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: the NFL is saying they're going to play the black
Speaker 1: national anthem. No nobody heard of a black national anthem
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and putting that aside, whether there was
Speaker 1: some underground black national anthem. We have one national anthem.
Speaker 1: It's the American national Anthem. That's what we stand for.
Speaker 1: You're not forced to stand if you don't want, but
Speaker 1: most people do at games, and that's what brings us together,
Speaker 1: that that's what causes national cohesion. But now we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a black national anthem and an American national anthem.
Speaker 1: How does that make sense that we're gonna have an
Speaker 1: Asian national anthem a white national anthem. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is dangerous stuff. But once you go down this road,
Speaker 1: because it's not based in in fact, it's not based
Speaker 1: in common decency. It can take you to some pretty
Speaker 1: scary places. Well and absolutely, and Dave with that is
Speaker 1: the back dropping. I'm not saying, yeah, you know, shut
Speaker 1: up and dribble and stick to sports and all that.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be like a fine line here.
Speaker 1: And once the toothpaste is out of the too, if
Speaker 1: you will here, is there any going back? Is this
Speaker 1: just going to be the way it is and people
Speaker 1: are just gonna have to deal with it. If you
Speaker 1: don't like it, don't watch sports. You know, savvy, I
Speaker 1: actually think that that is what's going to happen here.
Speaker 1: But as I said, this thing wanted in the system,
Speaker 1: it destroys the system. So you can sort of see
Speaker 1: what's happening with the New York Times right now. It
Speaker 1: at one time was was the paper of record, and
Speaker 1: although you know it probably always leaned a little bit left, um,
Speaker 1: you know, people thought it was pretty reputable. Now it
Speaker 1: has been just completely infected by this thing. Every day
Speaker 1: there's wall to wall coverage of racial issues and how
Speaker 1: bad white people are. Just this morning tweeted out another
Speaker 1: piece of you know where they're blaming poor schooling on
Speaker 1: white parents. I mean, just this crazy nonsense. So it
Speaker 1: infects these institutions. And by the way, of course, it's
Speaker 1: not just The New York Times. This has infected almost
Speaker 1: every academic institution. You know, Harvard openly discriminates against Asian
Speaker 1: people because they, Asian apparently worked too hard and studied
Speaker 1: too much. They had quote unquote too many Asian people there. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that. I believe if your work hard,
Speaker 1: I don't care what color you are. I thought that's
Speaker 1: what that Martin Luther King Jr. Guy was saying. But
Speaker 1: they institute these things. I think what is going to
Speaker 1: happen is the more that they go down this path,
Speaker 1: the worse and worse their ratings are going to be.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see the NBA ratings absolutely tumble.
Speaker 1: People are sick of it, they don't want to put
Speaker 1: up with it, and to watch a bunch of millionaires
Speaker 1: run around and complain. Um yeah, I just think I think, look,
Speaker 1: we know, we know that the ratings are going down
Speaker 1: because the NFL ratings were way down last year. So
Speaker 1: the more that you infect any system with this thing,
Speaker 1: the more it will destroy itself. And I think at
Speaker 1: the time of Corona, where we've all been, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty quarantined for the last four months or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: People are finding other things they're going. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: I don't need to pay three hundred dollars to go
Speaker 1: to an NBA game. Maybe that that is a waste
Speaker 1: for the five bucks acost to get a freaking hot
Speaker 1: dog and a coke. Maybe maybe this isn't the best
Speaker 1: amount of time. And I'm telling you, man, if you
Speaker 1: watch old basketball games or whatever your sport is, you know, football,
Speaker 1: go watch watching old football game. You will enjoy it
Speaker 1: just as much. Even though you could probably remember every
Speaker 1: play and every call, it will it will remind you
Speaker 1: of something that these new ones where they're infecting you
Speaker 1: with with all this other stuff, just don't have to
Speaker 1: be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller
Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. David,
Speaker 1: I'm want to jump from the free real quick with this.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of lighter questions, but with what
Speaker 1: you're saying to piggyback off of it, I guess if
Speaker 1: you're a commissioner though of any major sport, whether it's
Speaker 1: Adam Silver in the NBA, or Roger Goodell in the NFL,
Speaker 1: or Rob Manford a Major League Baseball or Gary Bettman
Speaker 1: the NHL, what do you do? What would be your
Speaker 1: solution to what's going on right now? Because in one instance,
Speaker 1: like you've been saying, like you want to have these
Speaker 1: voices be heard, and you want to make sure that
Speaker 1: that you're prominent players who are marketing your league and
Speaker 1: propelling it to higher levels, especially monitor early they're the faces.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you don't want to sequestion
Speaker 1: your other individuals that have a different opinion. So what
Speaker 1: would be your solution, not an end all, be all,
Speaker 1: but what would be a solution or an alternative for
Speaker 1: you to get those players messages out if it's not
Speaker 1: on the court, if it's not on the jury, that
Speaker 1: are not on the helmets. Yeah, well look, the simple
Speaker 1: answer is that there is no simple answer, right because
Speaker 1: what I would do is I would say, look, guys,
Speaker 1: you can do what you want off the court. Off
Speaker 1: the court, you know, you could do what you want
Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can do what you want on Instagram
Speaker 1: and everywhere else, on YouTube and in in interviews and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and you know there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: repercussions for it. If you just keep getting into hot water.
Speaker 1: Maybe a Nike doesn't want to do a contract with you,
Speaker 1: or this or that. Like that's all just that's what
Speaker 1: freedom is all about. I would say, you guys have
Speaker 1: maximum freedom to do whatever you want. You're you're paid
Speaker 1: as basketball players. But what they have made the mistake
Speaker 1: of doing is saying, no, this is literally going to
Speaker 1: be on the court. We are going to paint a
Speaker 1: political message on the court. We are going to play
Speaker 1: an alternate national anthem before a football game. That's where
Speaker 1: the dangerous thing is. You know, it's funny because a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, when the Kaepernick thing was really
Speaker 1: blowing up, everybody kept saying, oh, this is such a disaster,
Speaker 1: it's such an infringement on a free speech and everything else.
Speaker 1: But I actually was saying the reverse the entire time,
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, think about what happened.
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was allowed to kneel or not kneel. That was
Speaker 1: completely on him. Nobody came to drag him away. The
Speaker 1: owners were allowed to decide whether they wanted to have
Speaker 1: them on their team or not. The fans were allowed
Speaker 1: to decide whether to boo him or not boo him,
Speaker 1: or or buy jerseys or not buy jerseys. Even President
Speaker 1: who was tweeting about it, he didn't stop anyone from
Speaker 1: doing anything. The President has uh free speech as well,
Speaker 1: so everybody got to exercise their free speech. And that's
Speaker 1: actually a beautiful thing. You know, free speech has consequences.
Speaker 1: So if other teams were like, you know, pretty sure,
Speaker 1: maybe he could play here still because he's got some
Speaker 1: skills left, but it's going to cause us just such
Speaker 1: a freaking headache, well then that's a that's an economic
Speaker 1: decision that they make. But in fact, everybody's free speech
Speaker 1: was respected. That that's the bizarre thing that we find
Speaker 1: ourselves in these days. Well, the lighter lighter side of
Speaker 1: that too, Davis, I want to ask you, since you
Speaker 1: are a part of of what's going on today's climate,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, and I think I saw
Speaker 1: this a week or two ago, were you or were
Speaker 1: you not playing heads up against Senator Ted Cruz some
Speaker 1: pro wrestling old school process from Nintendo. I'm sitting I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in my office right now and I've got my
Speaker 1: old school Nintendo here. It is my childhood any s
Speaker 1: that I got in on June twenty six, my birthday,
Speaker 1: I was nine years old, and I had that thing.
Speaker 1: I you know, you know all those old school Nintendo's
Speaker 1: they stopped working at some point. You gotta blow in
Speaker 1: the cartridges and you gotta whack them over the top
Speaker 1: and all that. I watched the YouTube video I read
Speaker 1: he's this thing. I took it apart, fixed it myself,
Speaker 1: and yes, I had Ted Cruising here and we were
Speaker 1: playing pro wrestling on Nintendo. It was one of the
Speaker 1: original games that came out with Super Mario Brothers. And
Speaker 1: the funny thing is he he craimed he had never
Speaker 1: played it before, although he is a bit of a
Speaker 1: video game guy, and you know, I'm We're live streaming it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, maybe I'll let him
Speaker 1: like pin me once or twice before I beat him
Speaker 1: at the end. But then the second he knocked me
Speaker 1: down once he jumped on me, and the system prose
Speaker 1: it actually just completely froze. So it appeared that Ted
Speaker 1: Cruise beat me. But for the record, Ted, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: you know I had your number. Yeah, And speaking of
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, he had a huge dust up with Mark
Speaker 1: Cuban recently on Twitter. They were going back and forth,
Speaker 1: how did you grade that fight? You know, Cruise has
Speaker 1: become a real Twitter warrior. I gotta tell you, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a huge fan of his. I said this
Speaker 1: to his face when I sat down with him, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, during the election, and I kind of regret
Speaker 1: it because I've really come to like him. I think
Speaker 1: that something about getting the beard, uh, something that turned
Speaker 1: something on in him. Um. I think his broad point
Speaker 1: of you know where where basically he was saying a
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban. You know, it's like, well, where are you
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban as an NBA owner and where are the
Speaker 1: NBA players and other owners when it comes to standing
Speaker 1: up to China, which is which is doing all sorts
Speaker 1: of terrible things. Right we know that there's about a
Speaker 1: million Muslim people that are in concentration camps right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, these these videos are being shown. You can
Speaker 1: find these videos online, and it's like no one from
Speaker 1: the NBA is saying a word about that because they've
Speaker 1: got seriously lucrative deals over there. I think ted with
Speaker 1: calling out that hypocrisy, and uh, I don't know that Cuban,
Speaker 1: you know, backed it or backed him off his position
Speaker 1: in any real way. Yeah, he did a little tap
Speaker 1: dance there. It's it's just everyone who's in. You're obviously
Speaker 1: the NBA guy, and I like the NBA obviously were
Speaker 1: talking about all these sports. But it's like they're big
Speaker 1: hypocrites and they don't seem to have a problem with it,
Speaker 1: which is very very Yeah, it's like their cherry picking
Speaker 1: certain things and other things they're going to completely ignore
Speaker 1: because it obviously don't touch the money, right, isn't that
Speaker 1: the golden rule they have, don't touch the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's tough. Look, all of these things are businesses,
Speaker 1: you know. I think the kid and all of us
Speaker 1: wants to think that it's all about what happens on
Speaker 1: the court and all of that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: at the end, at the end of the day, the NBA,
Speaker 1: the NFL, these things are businesses, servers making a business
Speaker 1: decision when he decided to put Black Lives Matter on
Speaker 1: the court because and I think in Silver's mind, I'm
Speaker 1: not a mind reader, but I think it's probably something
Speaker 1: like this. I think it's probably like he's gone. Man.
Speaker 1: If I don't if I don't do this, they will
Speaker 1: come from my head. And in many ways, that's what's
Speaker 1: happening here. The reason this this sort of tear down
Speaker 1: the monuments, you know, defund the police, all of these
Speaker 1: things that we know we're wrong. We all, all the
Speaker 1: adults know these things are wrong. But the reason that
Speaker 1: they keep spreading is because everybody sort of thinks, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't say anything, I'll be okay. This this thing
Speaker 1: will just pass over me. So Silver is actually inviting
Speaker 1: the monster into his own home, and the monster is
Speaker 1: actually going to rest the whole place, and then and
Speaker 1: eventually it will come for him no matter what I mean.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you you can mark my words on this
Speaker 1: clip the hell out of it. The social justice thing
Speaker 1: will come for a child at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a millionaire white guy, and he thinks
Speaker 1: that if he can throw them some stuff like black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter on the court, that that will buy him
Speaker 1: some time. And he's right. It will buy him a
Speaker 1: little time, but it will not buy him much time.
Speaker 1: They will take him out at some point, and we
Speaker 1: see this across across all the boards. I mean, they
Speaker 1: will take out all of these guys when they want to.
Speaker 1: So you know, the hypocrisy there for everybody. And I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say, if I was an athlete
Speaker 1: right now, I think I would be so freaking thrilled
Speaker 1: to be doing what I love, making millions of dollars
Speaker 1: getting you know, living a lifestyle that any of us
Speaker 1: or virtually anyone else on earth would kill to live.
Speaker 1: That I would try to be a little respectful of that.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say I would never speak out
Speaker 1: about things that matter to me. Um. But what I
Speaker 1: think these guys don't realize is they're burning down their
Speaker 1: own house. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Speaker 1: Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p
Speaker 1: m Pacific. Daveuton, speaking of speaking, You've done a lot
Speaker 1: of that with all kinds of people. Did you or
Speaker 1: could you ever envision yourself doing this ten fifteen years ago?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're sitting down with Senator Cruz, You're
Speaker 1: you're talking to Ben Shapiro. Uh, you know, Jordan Peterson
Speaker 1: likes you have a lot of different people on a
Speaker 1: different platforms. Joe Rogan of course, like what inspired all
Speaker 1: this and like what was the ultimate motivation behind it.
Speaker 1: I mean, no joke, guys, I kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: do what you do. When I was in college, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the SPN. That was right when
Speaker 1: Sports Center was really blowing up, when Olberman and Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick had that hour, and Craig Kilborn, who I thought
Speaker 1: was just like he was just such a perfect example
Speaker 1: of like a great sports anchor, but he was also
Speaker 1: really funny and had a unique perspective. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do for a living. Like,
Speaker 1: who wouldn't want to do that, you know, just like
Speaker 1: talk about sports and be funny and silly and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And it just sort of never it never
Speaker 1: materialized for me. And I was always into politics anyway
Speaker 1: I was. I was a political science major. And I
Speaker 1: got out of I got out of college and I
Speaker 1: suddenly was like, oh, man, I guess I got to
Speaker 1: get a job. And I started doing stand up And
Speaker 1: I did stand up for about twelve years in New
Speaker 1: York City, and I had plenty of success and all
Speaker 1: the struggles that come with that, and eventually I got
Speaker 1: a serious XM show where I was doing mostly pop culture,
Speaker 1: and then about eight years ago, moved out to l
Speaker 1: A and started really getting into more of the political world.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny to move to l A to
Speaker 1: get into the political world, because you know, you think
Speaker 1: a DC or New York is the political place, but
Speaker 1: there is something interesting brewing out here in l A
Speaker 1: these days. And it's it's just been, uh truly when
Speaker 1: I when I think about it, when I was writing
Speaker 1: my book, it's like the year that I spent on
Speaker 1: the road with Jordan Peterson. We did about a hundred
Speaker 1: shows in about twenty countries, and I met just thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of people from every walk of life, every
Speaker 1: you know, we went across the United States and just
Speaker 1: to all of these places in Europe and Canada and elsewhere,
Speaker 1: and it's like to be able to connect with all
Speaker 1: these people and realize, like, it's just so cool that
Speaker 1: you know that what I'm thinking here in my house
Speaker 1: in l A is the exact same thing that somebody
Speaker 1: in Calgary is thinking. And that's the same thing that
Speaker 1: somebody in Dublin, Ireland is thinking, and it's the same
Speaker 1: thing that somebody in Des Moines, Io is thinking. And
Speaker 1: when you really realize that that that's real and that
Speaker 1: we're all just people trying to figure out our way
Speaker 1: through life, and there's other people like us. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty empowering. So I think all I've done is say
Speaker 1: what I believe. And if you say what you believe,
Speaker 1: I think And this is a very Jordan Peterson style message.
Speaker 1: But if you say what you believe and you fight
Speaker 1: for what you believe, honestly, you have no idea how
Speaker 1: much you can change the world. And the best example
Speaker 1: I can give of that is is literally in my life.
Speaker 1: I mean, anyone right now that's listening to this. You know,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, if you had a thought, you had
Speaker 1: a great thought, of funny thought, you know, edgy, political thought,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, you can't do much with it.
Speaker 1: Right you can tell your friends, you could, uh, you
Speaker 1: could write it down whatever. Now you can get on
Speaker 1: Twitter and for all you know, two minutes later, a
Speaker 1: million people may have read your thought, a million people
Speaker 1: may have senior video read your meme, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's an incredible power that we all have right now,
Speaker 1: and I think people don't realize how powerful we all are. Well,
Speaker 1: and Dave, you mentioned comedy, and I've been a big
Speaker 1: fan of stand up comedy I've never tried it, and
Speaker 1: you did it, you said you had some success. Probably
Speaker 1: that's that way exactly. But is this the is this
Speaker 1: the death of stand up comedy? To me? When I
Speaker 1: used to go to comedy clubs back in l A,
Speaker 1: back in the you know, back in the days, the
Speaker 1: greatest comedy was the most offensive, derogatory comedy, but it
Speaker 1: was hilarious, and I, I guess I should feel bad
Speaker 1: for laughing now compared to however, now, you shouldn't feel
Speaker 1: bad for a laughing. You shouldn't because that's that's the
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Think about Don Rickles, right. Don Rickles was
Speaker 1: the great insult comic of fifty years in the United States.
Speaker 1: And he would go on stage and he'd point to
Speaker 1: this guy, the Asian guy, and a black man, and
Speaker 1: a white guy, and the Jew and the gay guy.
Speaker 1: And what he did was he made everyone in that
Speaker 1: room realize that they too are the butt of the joke,
Speaker 1: that they too are part of the fabric of America.
Speaker 1: That is what it is all about. When we suddenly say, now, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't joke about this person because of this or
Speaker 1: that person because of that. What you're saying is they're
Speaker 1: protected they're they're too weak. This is what we call
Speaker 1: the soft bigotry of low expectations. That these people, if
Speaker 1: we treat them like everybody else, something wrong will happen
Speaker 1: to them where they will wilt like a flower in
Speaker 1: the sun. That is such a dangerous thing. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you when. So you know, these last couple of years,
Speaker 1: because I've achieved other success. When I'm on the road,
Speaker 1: I'll usually just I can sell out whatever club I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and I just basically run road show. It's more like
Speaker 1: a circus. I get up there and I start messing
Speaker 1: with the crowd, and I do crowd work, and I
Speaker 1: throw T shirts into the audience, and I get people
Speaker 1: to yell about what what their oppression is and all
Speaker 1: sorts of silly stuff. And it's it's very different and
Speaker 1: very politically incorrect. Unfortunately, people haven't put too much of
Speaker 1: it online. So that's that's good for now. Um, but yes,
Speaker 1: we need you know. It's the same thing that I
Speaker 1: was saying about sports, the way you need sports as
Speaker 1: an escape. If if what you do at the end
Speaker 1: of a workday is crack open a beer and watch
Speaker 1: a basketball game so that you can decompress you need
Speaker 1: comedy for that too. And the more that these things
Speaker 1: become politically correct, the more that these things become about
Speaker 1: something that they're not really about, the worst this is
Speaker 1: going to be for for for us and for the country. Dave,
Speaker 1: if you're not canceled in the next couple of years,
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts of running running for office? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people have been asking me.
Speaker 1: The Libertarians want me to run. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: that it's not what I want to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I've I've created something nice. I think I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty solid explainer of ideas and a halfway
Speaker 1: decent interviewer and and I enjoy doing that. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: the political machine. I think Trump is a really good
Speaker 1: example of this. The political machine is so dirty, and
Speaker 1: it's so messed up, and and you know, the games
Speaker 1: that they will play and the stuff that they will
Speaker 1: drudge up about you. You know, I've lived a life
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of that I've done. I've done some
Speaker 1: stuff in my day. And it's like the idea that
Speaker 1: that's what it would be about instead of the ideas
Speaker 1: We've all lived their life. By the way, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want someone who hasn't really lived the life to be
Speaker 1: to be president or to be a politician in any way. Um,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately, the system is so is so screwed up
Speaker 1: that I think it's not a game for me to play.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't I don't think I could
Speaker 1: ethically do the things that it would probably take to win.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people feel that way actually,
Speaker 1: which is pretty unfortunate. Yeah, and they have to go back.
Speaker 1: He would talking earlier in the conversation about the messages
Speaker 1: on uniforms from it's really the trifecta. Who got base
Speaker 1: ball is going to allow it on their cleats? Basketball
Speaker 1: in the Jersey's NFL has said they're gonna have Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter and some of those other messages on the helmet.
Speaker 1: What would happen if a player were to come out
Speaker 1: and say, I want to put pro America message or yeah,
Speaker 1: god forbid of Donald Trump message? How would that be received? Well,
Speaker 1: it would to put out just like a generally pro
Speaker 1: American one and be stopped. I mean that would be
Speaker 1: something else which I wouldn't put past these guys. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if someone was to put MAGA on there or something
Speaker 1: you know, relatively pro Trumpet would It would cause all
Speaker 1: sorts of problems. But that's the point. If you are
Speaker 1: going to infect your system with politics, well then you
Speaker 1: can't infect it halfway. It's going to be infected. It's
Speaker 1: fully So you can't say, Okay, we're going to allow
Speaker 1: political messages on cleats and on the courts and on
Speaker 1: the jerseys, but only the political messages which we think
Speaker 1: are okay, which by the winks I only know. In
Speaker 1: the case of the NBA, I mean they authorize what
Speaker 1: like dozen or two dozen political messages that can be said.
Speaker 1: So what NBA is now deciding what political messages can
Speaker 1: be said, I mean that's pretty authoritarian. That sounds far
Speaker 1: more like something China would do than something the United
Speaker 1: States would do. And as we know, NBA has has,
Speaker 1: you know, all these contracts with China and a deep
Speaker 1: future that it wants in China. That probably explains some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But look, the more they do this,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be reflected in ticket sales.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be reflected in viewership. I
Speaker 1: think because of Corona, people are doing are looking at
Speaker 1: the world differently. We're spending more time at home. I
Speaker 1: think more people are thinking about what really is important.
Speaker 1: And what's really important usually is family and friends and
Speaker 1: and stood and and that kind of stuff. And the
Speaker 1: more that you see people that are millionaires be so
Speaker 1: out of touch and lecture you while you pay them
Speaker 1: to do it, I think that's going to turn a
Speaker 1: lot of people off. Be sure to catch live editions
Speaker 1: of the Ben Maller Show. We Day said two am
Speaker 1: Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Well and and Dave, I've talked
Speaker 1: about this on the overnight show that they do. And
Speaker 1: when I when I mentioned I'm not really in favor
Speaker 1: of the messages on uniforms and all that people say,
Speaker 1: it's uh. The blowback is that black lives Matter is
Speaker 1: not political. That's the That's the message that I get
Speaker 1: when I said, I don't think this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, Dad, you're in the political
Speaker 1: mud here. Is black lives matter a political message? The message? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: It is almost as political a message as it could
Speaker 1: possibly be. If you were to tell me that black
Speaker 1: lives do I believe black lives matter? Well, yes, I
Speaker 1: believe black lives matter. Of leaves, white lives matter. Straight
Speaker 1: lives matter, Gay lives matter, believe it or not. Even
Speaker 1: think white Christian heterosexual men's lives matter, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. Um, but the Black Lives Matter organization.
Speaker 1: Go to their website. They are an avow with Marxist
Speaker 1: organization who would like to do things such as destroyed
Speaker 1: the nuclear family. I'm not making this up. This is
Speaker 1: the stuff that is on their website. And this, by
Speaker 1: the way, is the stuff that the NBA is signing onto.
Speaker 1: When they say they're with Black Lives Matter, they don't
Speaker 1: mean they mean they're signing on with the organization. I
Speaker 1: keep seeing a commercial now from Spite where they're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we're donating X amounts of Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 1: As I said, before you turn on Apple TV, there's
Speaker 1: a message about this or that. So these things that
Speaker 1: they are not signing onto some amorphous message that we
Speaker 1: all agree with. We all agree lives matter, and I
Speaker 1: personally don't care whether they're white or black or anything else.
Speaker 1: If if injustice exists, then I would I would prefer
Speaker 1: it not exist, and I will fight it where it
Speaker 1: where it exists. Um, but that's not what this is about.
Speaker 1: This is this is a political organization that has infected
Speaker 1: at the grassroots level. I would say almost every political
Speaker 1: institution that we have, well democratic or lessie political institutions,
Speaker 1: and certainly academic and media and otherwise. So the answer
Speaker 1: to that is yeah, absolutely. And every time someone asked
Speaker 1: you that question, just send them a link. Send them
Speaker 1: the link, and then say you tell me the bigger
Speaker 1: question all this is, are you surprised by any of
Speaker 1: this transpiring? Now? I wish I wasn't. Man, You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I get a lot of people that over
Speaker 1: the years said a lot of mean things about me
Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever. That is what it is that
Speaker 1: suddenly you are singing my tune, they're not giving me
Speaker 1: credit for it, and a lot of people I tweeted
Speaker 1: something about this this morning. It's like a lot of
Speaker 1: people who were going after me a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago or now just repeating the stuff that I was saying. Um,
Speaker 1: it was very obvious to me. I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time going to college campuses and talking and all
Speaker 1: of these things, and the violence that I was met with,
Speaker 1: and the people protesting and calling me nazi and all
Speaker 1: of these crazy things. Even though I'm telling everybody I
Speaker 1: want them all to be treated equally and with respect
Speaker 1: and decency and equality under the law. All of this, um,
Speaker 1: it was very obvious to me that this thing was
Speaker 1: not going to just stay on college campus. That's whatever.
Speaker 1: All the critics, the critics, usually the lefty critics New
Speaker 1: York Times crew, Oh, this is just some college thing,
Speaker 1: and when these kids get out into the real world,
Speaker 1: they'll see what it's all about. And they were completely wrong.
Speaker 1: Their institutions, whether they're political or sports or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: they were left with. But I would say, they had
Speaker 1: a wound, and these guys just infected the wound and
Speaker 1: now they've taken over. So, uh, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: there's something. There's something nice. You know, there's something kind
Speaker 1: of weird. It's like when you're ahead of the curves,
Speaker 1: I guess for a while, you start feeling behind it.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of what I feel right now, because
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm glad that people are catching on. But
Speaker 1: to be totally honest with you, guys, I wish I
Speaker 1: was wrong. I wish I had been wrong this whole time. Well, Dave,
Speaker 1: you migrated from New York out here to California, and
Speaker 1: we've got to get personal with your real quick, because I,
Speaker 1: unlike Ben, have a real big love and fascination of
Speaker 1: everything on the coastline, which is typically what's the four
Speaker 1: oh five Freeway. Have you found a sweet spot for
Speaker 1: Mexican food that you absolutely adore? Because Ben and I
Speaker 1: go back and forth in a couple of different places,
Speaker 1: but southern California Mexican food, you really can't go wrong
Speaker 1: wherever you go. Oh man, I'll tell you you can't
Speaker 1: go wrong. You really can't here. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: very very cliche answer for anyone that's listened and met
Speaker 1: in l A. But Casa Vega in the Valley, I
Speaker 1: think it's sort of right on the studio City Sherman
Speaker 1: Oaks border. Uh. It's it's been here forever. It's a
Speaker 1: big kind of celebrity hangout, and it's just like an
Speaker 1: old school canteena kind of place. The food is not great,
Speaker 1: it's kind of salty and whatever, but they make great Margarita's,
Speaker 1: great music, great atmosphere. It's fun and funky, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: I haven't been there, and you know whatever, it is
Speaker 1: now five months or something. But I've learned to make
Speaker 1: a pretty mean Margarita on my own. So happy to
Speaker 1: make one of those for you guys. Any of these
Speaker 1: did margarite pro wrestling? We could do this, Ben, David,
Speaker 1: have you been to El Coyote over on Beverly. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot too. That's me and guessing there.
Speaker 1: You know, I may I used to live on that side.
Speaker 1: I'm not over there anymore. I don't remember specifically. I
Speaker 1: used to go to Tortilla Republic over in West Hollywood
Speaker 1: every now and again, which is pretty good. Did it
Speaker 1: a bit of a scene over there, now? Yeah, I was, David.
Speaker 1: I won't get back to this loosely. The sports thing.
Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks ago, we had another rude bar.
Speaker 1: This was not about Black Lives matter. It was exposing people.
Speaker 1: We had to Sean Jackson of the Philadelphia Eagles, who
Speaker 1: sent out a bunch of like anti Semitic stuff and
Speaker 1: you know, wild stuff on social media, and the people
Speaker 1: in sports. Many of these guys that were saying if
Speaker 1: you're quiet, if you don't say anything, you're part of
Speaker 1: the problem, said nothing about this. They had no no opinion.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you think that whole episode went down? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean This is the problem with identity politics, because
Speaker 1: identity politics, what it does is it says, oh, you're Black,
Speaker 1: you have this worth. You're Jewish, you have this worth.
Speaker 1: Your white you have this worth. And they put it
Speaker 1: in a in a competing pecking order. So picture a triangle.
Speaker 1: It's a hierarchy. And in this case black is above
Speaker 1: Jewish and Jewish is above white, and we can add
Speaker 1: in where the other ones fit. It's it's quite a
Speaker 1: bizarre thing. But in this case, because it was a
Speaker 1: black man saying something about Jewish people and that doesn't
Speaker 1: fit into the equation everyone that's always against oppression and
Speaker 1: against bigotry and four diversity and four dollars, they got
Speaker 1: real quiet, real quick. But I will say this, Charles Barkley,
Speaker 1: who I referenced earlier, he was on NBA on TNT
Speaker 1: the other night and he actually totally called it out.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know, he got some flak for it.
Speaker 1: Now they're calling him a cellout and and uncle Tom
Speaker 1: and the rest of it. And it's like man free
Speaker 1: thinking these days is there's a high price to pay
Speaker 1: for it. But I think if more people do it
Speaker 1: will be better off. But any any time, whether it's
Speaker 1: if you're saying all black people think like this or
Speaker 1: behave this way, that's bigotry. If you're thinking all white
Speaker 1: people or Jewish people think this, behave this way, that's bigotry.
Speaker 1: The only way you counter that is by judging an
Speaker 1: individual person for their actions and their thoughts. So if
Speaker 1: you meet a black person and they're they're nice and
Speaker 1: thoughtful and interesting, that's one way you can judge them.
Speaker 1: And if you meet somebody who isn't that, then you
Speaker 1: judge them for that. You don't say, oh, all black
Speaker 1: people are like this, And that's the same obviously goes
Speaker 1: for any race, any gender, any sexuality. David. With that
Speaker 1: being said, though, obviously you know we've all had experiences
Speaker 1: in the sports realm or the media realm. But what
Speaker 1: about younger individuals that are just getting out of college,
Speaker 1: they have internships, and you talk about them. I wanted
Speaker 1: to stand stand their ground and have their voice be heard.
Speaker 1: But what happens when you have that fine line between
Speaker 1: voicing your thoughts and your opinions and also towing the
Speaker 1: company line, because those things can be split in today's
Speaker 1: world and the ramifications we've seen high school football coaches
Speaker 1: get terminated from their job because they go on one
Speaker 1: side of the political aisle as opposed to the other.
Speaker 1: So what would you say to some of the young
Speaker 1: professionals they're looking to make a career out of this thing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: first off, let's be clear, we know which side of
Speaker 1: the aisle that you take the position publicly that gets
Speaker 1: you fired. Right, It's it's always it always goes one way. Right,
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody comes out and says I'm a Democrat, I
Speaker 1: support Nancy Pelosi and gets fired. It's only if you
Speaker 1: say you're a Republican or a conservative, or or you
Speaker 1: support Trump something like that. So that's that's one thing.
Speaker 1: The second part is I get this question a lot
Speaker 1: of college campuses because kids will say to me, you know, Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a class, my my professors, a total
Speaker 1: socials justice warrior. I want to say the truth, but
Speaker 1: I want to get the grade. And when I first
Speaker 1: who started speaking on college campuses a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I used to say, you know, if you're an undergrad,
Speaker 1: just suck it up and just get through get the grade,
Speaker 1: because that way you hopefully get into the grad school
Speaker 1: you want or whatever it is. And you'll get to
Speaker 1: the company you want to work for and you're okay.
Speaker 1: I've really changed my opinion on this. I think you
Speaker 1: must say what you think, and you must do it
Speaker 1: often at cost to yourself, because especially if you're a
Speaker 1: young person, if you, let's say your your nineteen, you're
Speaker 1: in college, or even right out of college. Because I
Speaker 1: think that's what you're asking. You're you're you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're the mail guy in the in the big company. Right.
Speaker 1: It's not that you should run around demanding everyone listened
Speaker 1: to your political thoughts all the time. I mean, you
Speaker 1: should probably mostly focus on your job. But if you
Speaker 1: don't say what you think, do you think you're going
Speaker 1: to be braver three years from now, six years from now,
Speaker 1: ten years from now, if you're in college, do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to be braver when you have car
Speaker 1: payments and a mortgage, and a wife and a dog
Speaker 1: and a kid and all sorts of the other stuff
Speaker 1: that come with life. I think once they get you
Speaker 1: to bow when you're young, it's very hard to be
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it for yourself. Guys, when
Speaker 1: was the last time you've heard one of one of
Speaker 1: your friends who's around our age. A guy in his
Speaker 1: forties suddenly he gets brave out of nowhere and they're
Speaker 1: telling everybody what he thinks. I mean, maybe he had
Speaker 1: a mental breakdown, but that's that's pretty much it. So
Speaker 1: I think you have to do it. It will come
Speaker 1: with the cost, But I think the greater cost is
Speaker 1: that you know, you just will live your life as
Speaker 1: a frog in a slowly boiling pot, and one day
Speaker 1: that frog is boiled. It's as simple as that. See.
Speaker 1: The thing for me is, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: if you're been agree with me on this, is that
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of friends and even co workers
Speaker 1: that were nothing like this five six, seventy years ago,
Speaker 1: and the power of social media Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and
Speaker 1: god forbid my Space. Then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: became brave. That changed. Well, are you saying they became
Speaker 1: braver they suddenly became brainwashed? I think that. I think
Speaker 1: they became brave. I think I think you know, these
Speaker 1: are people you'd have civilized conversations with and at times
Speaker 1: civil discourse, but then all of a sudden you go
Speaker 1: on social media and you see what their profile and
Speaker 1: what they post, and it's drastically different than how they
Speaker 1: converse with you, right right, So look full have been
Speaker 1: brainwashed by this stuff. It is as simple as that.
Speaker 1: The idea that identity politics is a good thing, that
Speaker 1: we should judge people on their skin, color and gender
Speaker 1: and sexuality. These are the reverse of every message that
Speaker 1: anyone has been taught in a liberal democracy. This is
Speaker 1: the reverse what did Martin Luther King Jr. Want? He
Speaker 1: wanted his children to grow up in a world where
Speaker 1: they would not be judged by the color of their skin,
Speaker 1: but by the content of their character. Well, who's judging
Speaker 1: by the color of skin right now? It's the people
Speaker 1: who purport to be the anti racist. It's it's the
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter crew that are making everything about race.
Speaker 1: That isn't to say that there are no race racist people.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are racist people. There are always going
Speaker 1: to be racist people. Humans. Humans are flawed. I think
Speaker 1: the best of the thing that you can do is
Speaker 1: express better ideas and hopefully show them that the ideas
Speaker 1: of bigotry are wrong. Um. But the idea that you
Speaker 1: can build a system, I mean, this is what we're
Speaker 1: being told right now that are entire your system. The
Speaker 1: two d fifty year American experiment that this thing is
Speaker 1: long and evil, even though it brought more prosperity to
Speaker 1: more people than any other place in the history of
Speaker 1: the world, and everyone in the world it still wants
Speaker 1: to come here. Nobody wants to leave, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the numbers. Nobody's leaving the United States. The
Speaker 1: older people who leave the United States are billionaires who
Speaker 1: want to save some money on taxes. That that tells
Speaker 1: you something. But we're being told that our system was
Speaker 1: so evil and it's only these people who can rebuild
Speaker 1: a system, and they're going to rebuild it, you know,
Speaker 1: by burning our whole system down. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot easier to burn things than to build things. And
Speaker 1: I think that watching it's tough because I know what
Speaker 1: you're going through, and I know what a lot of
Speaker 1: people in momentary It's like, man, I've had lifelong friends
Speaker 1: that you know, didn't show up to my wedding and
Speaker 1: they'll say you're racist, and you say, well, have I
Speaker 1: ever expressed a racist No, Well, you you talked to
Speaker 1: this person or you didn't post about this or something.
Speaker 1: And that's that's crazy, man. And it's uh, it's a
Speaker 1: dangerous place. It's just a dangerous place for a society
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Speaker 1: Well and Dave and the piggyback up what you were
Speaker 1: talking about a few minutes ago. Here. I've got a
Speaker 1: kind of network of guys that work in radio around
Speaker 1: the country that I text and talked to. And a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are afraid to give any political,
Speaker 1: even loosely political opinion because all this is related sports
Speaker 1: now with politics, they feel like they have to say
Speaker 1: what the mainstream is saying or else they're gonna get canceled.
Speaker 1: It's a where it's like this has been They've all
Speaker 1: been pushed into the closet on how they actually think
Speaker 1: because they're afraid they're done if they actually say what
Speaker 1: they believe. It's wild. What's going on right now? Oh? Yeah, well, look,
Speaker 1: people who get paid to talk for a living, right
Speaker 1: what are you guys getting paid for. It's to talk,
Speaker 1: it's to share your opinions. And now we live in
Speaker 1: the time where if you share one opinion or you
Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow or in the wrong way or not
Speaker 1: your head, or if took a picture with somebody who
Speaker 1: years later did something bad, that they're going to take
Speaker 1: you out. But again, the only way we defeat this,
Speaker 1: we don't defeat this through legislation. I don't even think
Speaker 1: we defeat this by voting in the right people, although
Speaker 1: I think that would help at a certain level. The
Speaker 1: only way we defeat this is for the average person
Speaker 1: to get more braves. If they can't fire all of us,
Speaker 1: they can't cancel all of us. But what they're praying
Speaker 1: on is that they can scare enough of us to
Speaker 1: never say what they think. You know, a good example
Speaker 1: of this is Tucker Carlton. Now I have I've become
Speaker 1: friendly with Tucker, and I like him, and we have
Speaker 1: some agreements that we have some political disagreements, which by
Speaker 1: the way, he brings me on his show to to
Speaker 1: bring up um. But you know, every day there are
Speaker 1: people that just wait for Tucker to say one wrong
Speaker 1: thing so they can start a boycott against him. And
Speaker 1: what I alreadys tell people is it's not that they're
Speaker 1: really trying to take out Tucker Carlson. What it is
Speaker 1: is that they're trying to signal to you. They're trying
Speaker 1: to signal to you. Oh man, See, we can even
Speaker 1: get Tucker. We can even get this guy on Fox
Speaker 1: News who makes millions. So if we can get him,
Speaker 1: we damn well sure can get you. And that that's
Speaker 1: the really dangerous thing. But again, the only thing and
Speaker 1: the only thing that will stop it is you. You've
Speaker 1: got to put a foot in the sand, a draw
Speaker 1: line in the sand and say I will not give
Speaker 1: into this thing. And it's not going to be easy.
Speaker 1: You will lose friends, you will have family members turn
Speaker 1: on you. Uh. This is I laid this all out
Speaker 1: in my book. In many ways, this is what the
Speaker 1: book is about. That you will go through all of
Speaker 1: these things, but I promise you you will be better
Speaker 1: on the other side. Because when it is way better
Speaker 1: to live as you see fit and be hated than
Speaker 1: to live on your knees and be loved, I think
Speaker 1: who wants that? Dave? On that note, do you enjoy
Speaker 1: what you do now? I mean, obviously this is this
Speaker 1: is a it's a vaultal time right because you just
Speaker 1: mentioned with your wedding and Ben and I obviously working together,
Speaker 1: we hear things and see things but it is. It
Speaker 1: is flammable, it is volatible. Um. But you're getting the
Speaker 1: message out in one way and other people are getting
Speaker 1: the message out in another way. Do you enjoy this? Like?
Speaker 1: Are you are there days where you're not having fun
Speaker 1: with what you're doing? Um? Well, of course there are
Speaker 1: days when I'm not having fun, and there's there's moments
Speaker 1: in a day when I'm not having fun. But by
Speaker 1: and large, look, I get to say what I think,
Speaker 1: I've survived the mob. Many times, I've helped people, um,
Speaker 1: survived their own mobs. You know, I get I get
Speaker 1: a ton of fan mail from all over the literally
Speaker 1: all over the world, people saying that I've helped start
Speaker 1: them on their own political or philosophical adventure. I've got
Speaker 1: to meet, you know, heroes of mine and all kinds
Speaker 1: of people that are that are cool and relevant and fun. Um.
Speaker 1: You know I told you before my childhood hero was
Speaker 1: Clyde Director. One day, I literally just called up my agent.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I don't gonna sound crazy, but you
Speaker 1: know I used to love Cry the Bride when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. I was like, can you get me
Speaker 1: his number? And he's like, hang out a second, And
Speaker 1: within two minutes I had his number and now we
Speaker 1: text every now and again. It's like, that's pretty freaking cool.
Speaker 1: So I would say it's not to say it doesn't
Speaker 1: come with its stresses, because it obviously does. But you
Speaker 1: know of the time when someone comes up to me
Speaker 1: at the supermarket or wherever I am, it's like they
Speaker 1: have something positive to say. So you know, you get
Speaker 1: a cirt amount of hate online and that's not fun.
Speaker 1: But I would say it's a it's a price I'm
Speaker 1: willing to pay for everything else. And if you mentioned
Speaker 1: the book, and if there's a guy listening right now,
Speaker 1: I was like, on the fence, still sell them. Give
Speaker 1: me the name of the book and tell them why
Speaker 1: they should buy the book. Yeah, it's called Don't Burn
Speaker 1: this Book, and it's simply is about everything that we've
Speaker 1: discussed here. I mean we we sort of bounced around
Speaker 1: at all. But what the idea of the book really is,
Speaker 1: more than anything else, is I lay out my sort
Speaker 1: of political philosophy and my personal philosophy, and I lay
Speaker 1: out all my political positions. And it's not to convince
Speaker 1: you that I'm right about every political position I I
Speaker 1: I personally happen to be pro choice. But I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make new pro choice. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make someone gay for gay marriage, let's say.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to make someone I believe in,
Speaker 1: you know, like a fifteen percent or eighteen percent flat packs.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to convince you any of the things.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you that I've thought about these issues,
Speaker 1: and these are the conclusions I've come to. And the
Speaker 1: important thing is for you to think about think about
Speaker 1: these things honestly, and come to a conclusion. If your
Speaker 1: conclusion is different than mine, well that's the beautiful thing,
Speaker 1: because we've got millions of billions of people of this country,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to live in a country with
Speaker 1: people who only thought the same things as me. So
Speaker 1: it's about it's about thinking for yourself and and being
Speaker 1: able to know enough so that when the mob comes
Speaker 1: for you, you will survive. And and don't burn this book.
Speaker 1: And where can they get it? David? I just saw
Speaker 1: your Twitter feed. You have a link there is there
Speaker 1: is there somewhere else that you can get the book
Speaker 1: as well. Sure it's available elsewhere. It's wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: You can go and don't burn this book dot com
Speaker 1: or of course it's on Amazon, who are overlorded these days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you, all right, Dave, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time. I appreciate you. No your busy guy
Speaker 1: and continued success my pleasure, guys. Thanks Rot