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Speaker 1: talk about sports and be funny and silly and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. And it just sort of never it never

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Speaker 1: materialized for me. And I was always into politics anyway

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Speaker 1: I was. I was a political science major. And I

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Speaker 1: got out of I got out of college and I

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Speaker 1: suddenly was like, oh, man, I guess I got to

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Speaker 1: get a job. And I started doing stand up And

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Speaker 1: I did stand up for about twelve years in New

435
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Speaker 1: York City, and I had plenty of success and all

436
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: the struggles that come with that, and eventually I got

437
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Speaker 1: a serious XM show where I was doing mostly pop culture,

438
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Speaker 1: and then about eight years ago, moved out to l

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Speaker 1: A and started really getting into more of the political world.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny to move to l A to

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Speaker 1: get into the political world, because you know, you think

442
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Speaker 1: a DC or New York is the political place, but

443
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Speaker 1: there is something interesting brewing out here in l A

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Speaker 1: these days. And it's it's just been, uh truly when

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Speaker 1: I when I think about it, when I was writing

446
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Speaker 1: my book, it's like the year that I spent on

447
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Speaker 1: the road with Jordan Peterson. We did about a hundred

448
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Speaker 1: shows in about twenty countries, and I met just thousands

449
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Speaker 1: and thousands of people from every walk of life, every

450
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Speaker 1: you know, we went across the United States and just

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Speaker 1: to all of these places in Europe and Canada and elsewhere,

452
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Speaker 1: and it's like to be able to connect with all

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Speaker 1: these people and realize, like, it's just so cool that

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Speaker 1: you know that what I'm thinking here in my house

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Speaker 1: in l A is the exact same thing that somebody

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Speaker 1: in Calgary is thinking. And that's the same thing that

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Speaker 1: somebody in Dublin, Ireland is thinking, and it's the same

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Speaker 1: thing that somebody in Des Moines, Io is thinking. And

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Speaker 1: when you really realize that that that's real and that

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Speaker 1: we're all just people trying to figure out our way

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Speaker 1: through life, and there's other people like us. It's it's

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Speaker 1: pretty empowering. So I think all I've done is say

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Speaker 1: what I believe. And if you say what you believe,

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Speaker 1: I think And this is a very Jordan Peterson style message.

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Speaker 1: But if you say what you believe and you fight

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Speaker 1: for what you believe, honestly, you have no idea how

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Speaker 1: much you can change the world. And the best example

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Speaker 1: I can give of that is is literally in my life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, anyone right now that's listening to this. You know,

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, if you had a thought, you had

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Speaker 1: a great thought, of funny thought, you know, edgy, political thought,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, you can't do much with it.

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Speaker 1: Right you can tell your friends, you could, uh, you

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Speaker 1: could write it down whatever. Now you can get on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and for all you know, two minutes later, a

476
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Speaker 1: million people may have read your thought, a million people

477
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Speaker 1: may have senior video read your meme, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: That's an incredible power that we all have right now,

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Speaker 1: and I think people don't realize how powerful we all are. Well,

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Speaker 1: and Dave, you mentioned comedy, and I've been a big

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Speaker 1: fan of stand up comedy I've never tried it, and

482
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Speaker 1: you did it, you said you had some success. Probably

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Speaker 1: that's that way exactly. But is this the is this

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Speaker 1: the death of stand up comedy? To me? When I

485
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Speaker 1: used to go to comedy clubs back in l A,

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Speaker 1: back in the you know, back in the days, the

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Speaker 1: greatest comedy was the most offensive, derogatory comedy, but it

488
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Speaker 1: was hilarious, and I, I guess I should feel bad

489
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Speaker 1: for laughing now compared to however, now, you shouldn't feel

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Speaker 1: bad for a laughing. You shouldn't because that's that's the

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Think about Don Rickles, right. Don Rickles was

492
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Speaker 1: the great insult comic of fifty years in the United States.

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Speaker 1: And he would go on stage and he'd point to

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Speaker 1: this guy, the Asian guy, and a black man, and

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Speaker 1: a white guy, and the Jew and the gay guy.

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Speaker 1: And what he did was he made everyone in that

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Speaker 1: room realize that they too are the butt of the joke,

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Speaker 1: that they too are part of the fabric of America.

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Speaker 1: That is what it is all about. When we suddenly say, now, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can't joke about this person because of this or

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Speaker 1: that person because of that. What you're saying is they're

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Speaker 1: protected they're they're too weak. This is what we call

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Speaker 1: the soft bigotry of low expectations. That these people, if

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Speaker 1: we treat them like everybody else, something wrong will happen

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Speaker 1: to them where they will wilt like a flower in

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Speaker 1: the sun. That is such a dangerous thing. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you when. So you know, these last couple of years,

508
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Speaker 1: because I've achieved other success. When I'm on the road,

509
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Speaker 1: I'll usually just I can sell out whatever club I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: and I just basically run road show. It's more like

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Speaker 1: a circus. I get up there and I start messing

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Speaker 1: with the crowd, and I do crowd work, and I

513
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: throw T shirts into the audience, and I get people

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Speaker 1: to yell about what what their oppression is and all

515
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: sorts of silly stuff. And it's it's very different and

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Speaker 1: very politically incorrect. Unfortunately, people haven't put too much of

517
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Speaker 1: it online. So that's that's good for now. Um, but yes,

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Speaker 1: we need you know. It's the same thing that I

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Speaker 1: was saying about sports, the way you need sports as

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Speaker 1: an escape. If if what you do at the end

521
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Speaker 1: of a workday is crack open a beer and watch

522
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Speaker 1: a basketball game so that you can decompress you need

523
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Speaker 1: comedy for that too. And the more that these things

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Speaker 1: become politically correct, the more that these things become about

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Speaker 1: something that they're not really about, the worst this is

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Speaker 1: going to be for for for us and for the country. Dave,

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Speaker 1: if you're not canceled in the next couple of years,

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Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts of running running for office? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people have been asking me.

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Speaker 1: The Libertarians want me to run. I mean, I I

531
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Speaker 1: that it's not what I want to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I've I've created something nice. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a pretty solid explainer of ideas and a halfway

534
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: decent interviewer and and I enjoy doing that. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: the political machine. I think Trump is a really good

536
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Speaker 1: example of this. The political machine is so dirty, and

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00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: it's so messed up, and and you know, the games

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Speaker 1: that they will play and the stuff that they will

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Speaker 1: drudge up about you. You know, I've lived a life

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Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of that I've done. I've done some

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Speaker 1: stuff in my day. And it's like the idea that

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Speaker 1: that's what it would be about instead of the ideas

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Speaker 1: We've all lived their life. By the way, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want someone who hasn't really lived the life to be

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Speaker 1: to be president or to be a politician in any way. Um,

546
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately, the system is so is so screwed up

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Speaker 1: that I think it's not a game for me to play.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't I don't think I could

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Speaker 1: ethically do the things that it would probably take to win.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people feel that way actually,

551
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Speaker 1: which is pretty unfortunate. Yeah, and they have to go back.

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Speaker 1: He would talking earlier in the conversation about the messages

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Speaker 1: on uniforms from it's really the trifecta. Who got base

554
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Speaker 1: ball is going to allow it on their cleats? Basketball

555
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: in the Jersey's NFL has said they're gonna have Black

556
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Speaker 1: Lives Matter and some of those other messages on the helmet.

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Speaker 1: What would happen if a player were to come out

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Speaker 1: and say, I want to put pro America message or yeah,

559
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: god forbid of Donald Trump message? How would that be received? Well,

560
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: it would to put out just like a generally pro

561
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: American one and be stopped. I mean that would be

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Speaker 1: something else which I wouldn't put past these guys. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: if someone was to put MAGA on there or something

564
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Speaker 1: you know, relatively pro Trumpet would It would cause all

565
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: sorts of problems. But that's the point. If you are

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Speaker 1: going to infect your system with politics, well then you

567
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: can't infect it halfway. It's going to be infected. It's

568
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Speaker 1: fully So you can't say, Okay, we're going to allow

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Speaker 1: political messages on cleats and on the courts and on

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Speaker 1: the jerseys, but only the political messages which we think

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Speaker 1: are okay, which by the winks I only know. In

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Speaker 1: the case of the NBA, I mean they authorize what

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Speaker 1: like dozen or two dozen political messages that can be said.

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Speaker 1: So what NBA is now deciding what political messages can

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Speaker 1: be said, I mean that's pretty authoritarian. That sounds far

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Speaker 1: more like something China would do than something the United

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Speaker 1: States would do. And as we know, NBA has has,

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Speaker 1: you know, all these contracts with China and a deep

579
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: future that it wants in China. That probably explains some

580
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But look, the more they do this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be reflected in ticket sales.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be reflected in viewership. I

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Speaker 1: think because of Corona, people are doing are looking at

584
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: the world differently. We're spending more time at home. I

585
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: think more people are thinking about what really is important.

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Speaker 1: And what's really important usually is family and friends and

587
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: and stood and and that kind of stuff. And the

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: more that you see people that are millionaires be so

589
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: out of touch and lecture you while you pay them

590
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Speaker 1: to do it, I think that's going to turn a

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Speaker 1: lot of people off. Be sure to catch live editions

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Speaker 1: of the Ben Maller Show. We Day said two am

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Speaker 1: Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Well and and Dave, I've talked

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Speaker 1: about this on the overnight show that they do. And

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Speaker 1: when I when I mentioned I'm not really in favor

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Speaker 1: of the messages on uniforms and all that people say,

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Speaker 1: it's uh. The blowback is that black lives Matter is

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Speaker 1: not political. That's the That's the message that I get

599
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Speaker 1: when I said, I don't think this is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you, Dad, you're in the political

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Speaker 1: mud here. Is black lives matter a political message? The message? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: It is almost as political a message as it could

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Speaker 1: possibly be. If you were to tell me that black

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Speaker 1: lives do I believe black lives matter? Well, yes, I

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00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: believe black lives matter. Of leaves, white lives matter. Straight

606
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: lives matter, Gay lives matter, believe it or not. Even

607
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: think white Christian heterosexual men's lives matter, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. Um, but the Black Lives Matter organization.

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Speaker 1: Go to their website. They are an avow with Marxist

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Speaker 1: organization who would like to do things such as destroyed

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Speaker 1: the nuclear family. I'm not making this up. This is

612
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Speaker 1: the stuff that is on their website. And this, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is the stuff that the NBA is signing onto.

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Speaker 1: When they say they're with Black Lives Matter, they don't

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Speaker 1: mean they mean they're signing on with the organization. I

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Speaker 1: keep seeing a commercial now from Spite where they're saying,

617
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Speaker 1: you know, we're donating X amounts of Black Lives Matter.

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Speaker 1: As I said, before you turn on Apple TV, there's

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Speaker 1: a message about this or that. So these things that

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Speaker 1: they are not signing onto some amorphous message that we

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Speaker 1: all agree with. We all agree lives matter, and I

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Speaker 1: personally don't care whether they're white or black or anything else.

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Speaker 1: If if injustice exists, then I would I would prefer

624
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Speaker 1: it not exist, and I will fight it where it

625
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Speaker 1: where it exists. Um, but that's not what this is about.

626
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Speaker 1: This is this is a political organization that has infected

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Speaker 1: at the grassroots level. I would say almost every political

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Speaker 1: institution that we have, well democratic or lessie political institutions,

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Speaker 1: and certainly academic and media and otherwise. So the answer

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Speaker 1: to that is yeah, absolutely. And every time someone asked

631
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Speaker 1: you that question, just send them a link. Send them

632
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Speaker 1: the link, and then say you tell me the bigger

633
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: question all this is, are you surprised by any of

634
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: this transpiring? Now? I wish I wasn't. Man, You know,

635
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: it's funny. I get a lot of people that over

636
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: the years said a lot of mean things about me

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00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever. That is what it is that

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Speaker 1: suddenly you are singing my tune, they're not giving me

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Speaker 1: credit for it, and a lot of people I tweeted

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Speaker 1: something about this this morning. It's like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who were going after me a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago or now just repeating the stuff that I was saying. Um,

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00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: it was very obvious to me. I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time going to college campuses and talking and all

645
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Speaker 1: of these things, and the violence that I was met with,

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Speaker 1: and the people protesting and calling me nazi and all

647
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: of these crazy things. Even though I'm telling everybody I

648
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Speaker 1: want them all to be treated equally and with respect

649
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Speaker 1: and decency and equality under the law. All of this, um,

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Speaker 1: it was very obvious to me that this thing was

651
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Speaker 1: not going to just stay on college campus. That's whatever.

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: All the critics, the critics, usually the lefty critics New

653
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: York Times crew, Oh, this is just some college thing,

654
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: and when these kids get out into the real world,

655
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Speaker 1: they'll see what it's all about. And they were completely wrong.

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00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: Their institutions, whether they're political or sports or whatever it is,

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00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: they were left with. But I would say, they had

658
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Speaker 1: a wound, and these guys just infected the wound and

659
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: now they've taken over. So, uh, you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: there's something. There's something nice. You know, there's something kind

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Speaker 1: of weird. It's like when you're ahead of the curves,

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00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I guess for a while, you start feeling behind it.

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Speaker 1: And that's sort of what I feel right now, because

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Speaker 1: it's like, I'm glad that people are catching on. But

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Speaker 1: to be totally honest with you, guys, I wish I

666
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Speaker 1: was wrong. I wish I had been wrong this whole time. Well, Dave,

667
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: you migrated from New York out here to California, and

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00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: we've got to get personal with your real quick, because I,

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Speaker 1: unlike Ben, have a real big love and fascination of

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Speaker 1: everything on the coastline, which is typically what's the four

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Speaker 1: oh five Freeway. Have you found a sweet spot for

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Speaker 1: Mexican food that you absolutely adore? Because Ben and I

673
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Speaker 1: go back and forth in a couple of different places,

674
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: but southern California Mexican food, you really can't go wrong

675
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Speaker 1: wherever you go. Oh man, I'll tell you you can't

676
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Speaker 1: go wrong. You really can't here. I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: very very cliche answer for anyone that's listened and met

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Speaker 1: in l A. But Casa Vega in the Valley, I

679
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Speaker 1: think it's sort of right on the studio City Sherman

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Speaker 1: Oaks border. Uh. It's it's been here forever. It's a

681
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Speaker 1: big kind of celebrity hangout, and it's just like an

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Speaker 1: old school canteena kind of place. The food is not great,

683
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Speaker 1: it's kind of salty and whatever, but they make great Margarita's,

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Speaker 1: great music, great atmosphere. It's fun and funky, and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: I haven't been there, and you know whatever, it is

686
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Speaker 1: now five months or something. But I've learned to make

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Speaker 1: a pretty mean Margarita on my own. So happy to

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Speaker 1: make one of those for you guys. Any of these

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Speaker 1: did margarite pro wrestling? We could do this, Ben, David,

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Speaker 1: have you been to El Coyote over on Beverly. That's

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00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot too. That's me and guessing there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I may I used to live on that side.

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Speaker 1: I'm not over there anymore. I don't remember specifically. I

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Speaker 1: used to go to Tortilla Republic over in West Hollywood

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Speaker 1: every now and again, which is pretty good. Did it

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Speaker 1: a bit of a scene over there, now? Yeah, I was, David.

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00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: I won't get back to this loosely. The sports thing.

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00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks ago, we had another rude bar.

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00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: This was not about Black Lives matter. It was exposing people.

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: We had to Sean Jackson of the Philadelphia Eagles, who

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Speaker 1: sent out a bunch of like anti Semitic stuff and

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00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, wild stuff on social media, and the people

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Speaker 1: in sports. Many of these guys that were saying if

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Speaker 1: you're quiet, if you don't say anything, you're part of

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Speaker 1: the problem, said nothing about this. They had no no opinion.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how did you think that whole episode went down? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean This is the problem with identity politics, because

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Speaker 1: identity politics, what it does is it says, oh, you're Black,

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Speaker 1: you have this worth. You're Jewish, you have this worth.

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Speaker 1: Your white you have this worth. And they put it

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: in a in a competing pecking order. So picture a triangle.

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: It's a hierarchy. And in this case black is above

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Speaker 1: Jewish and Jewish is above white, and we can add

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Speaker 1: in where the other ones fit. It's it's quite a

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Speaker 1: bizarre thing. But in this case, because it was a

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Speaker 1: black man saying something about Jewish people and that doesn't

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: fit into the equation everyone that's always against oppression and

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: against bigotry and four diversity and four dollars, they got

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Speaker 1: real quiet, real quick. But I will say this, Charles Barkley,

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Speaker 1: who I referenced earlier, he was on NBA on TNT

721
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the other night and he actually totally called it out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I know, he got some flak for it.

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Speaker 1: Now they're calling him a cellout and and uncle Tom

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Speaker 1: and the rest of it. And it's like man free

725
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: thinking these days is there's a high price to pay

726
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: for it. But I think if more people do it

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00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: will be better off. But any any time, whether it's

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Speaker 1: if you're saying all black people think like this or

729
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Speaker 1: behave this way, that's bigotry. If you're thinking all white

730
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Speaker 1: people or Jewish people think this, behave this way, that's bigotry.

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Speaker 1: The only way you counter that is by judging an

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Speaker 1: individual person for their actions and their thoughts. So if

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Speaker 1: you meet a black person and they're they're nice and

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Speaker 1: thoughtful and interesting, that's one way you can judge them.

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Speaker 1: And if you meet somebody who isn't that, then you

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Speaker 1: judge them for that. You don't say, oh, all black

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Speaker 1: people are like this, And that's the same obviously goes

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Speaker 1: for any race, any gender, any sexuality. David. With that

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Speaker 1: being said, though, obviously you know we've all had experiences

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Speaker 1: in the sports realm or the media realm. But what

741
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: about younger individuals that are just getting out of college,

742
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: they have internships, and you talk about them. I wanted

743
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: to stand stand their ground and have their voice be heard.

744
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: But what happens when you have that fine line between

745
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: voicing your thoughts and your opinions and also towing the

746
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: company line, because those things can be split in today's

747
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: world and the ramifications we've seen high school football coaches

748
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: get terminated from their job because they go on one

749
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: side of the political aisle as opposed to the other.

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Speaker 1: So what would you say to some of the young

751
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: professionals they're looking to make a career out of this thing. Yeah, well,

752
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: first off, let's be clear, we know which side of

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Speaker 1: the aisle that you take the position publicly that gets

754
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: you fired. Right, It's it's always it always goes one way. Right,

755
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody comes out and says I'm a Democrat, I

756
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: support Nancy Pelosi and gets fired. It's only if you

757
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: say you're a Republican or a conservative, or or you

758
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: support Trump something like that. So that's that's one thing.

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00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: The second part is I get this question a lot

760
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: of college campuses because kids will say to me, you know, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a class, my my professors, a total

762
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: socials justice warrior. I want to say the truth, but

763
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Speaker 1: I want to get the grade. And when I first

764
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: who started speaking on college campuses a couple of years ago,

765
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: I used to say, you know, if you're an undergrad,

766
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: just suck it up and just get through get the grade,

767
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: because that way you hopefully get into the grad school

768
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: you want or whatever it is. And you'll get to

769
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: the company you want to work for and you're okay.

770
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I've really changed my opinion on this. I think you

771
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: must say what you think, and you must do it

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00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: often at cost to yourself, because especially if you're a

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Speaker 1: young person, if you, let's say your your nineteen, you're

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Speaker 1: in college, or even right out of college. Because I

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00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: think that's what you're asking. You're you're you're you know,

776
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: you're the mail guy in the in the big company. Right.

777
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: It's not that you should run around demanding everyone listened

778
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: to your political thoughts all the time. I mean, you

779
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: should probably mostly focus on your job. But if you

780
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Speaker 1: don't say what you think, do you think you're going

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Speaker 1: to be braver three years from now, six years from now,

782
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: ten years from now, if you're in college, do you

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Speaker 1: think you're going to be braver when you have car

784
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Speaker 1: payments and a mortgage, and a wife and a dog

785
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Speaker 1: and a kid and all sorts of the other stuff

786
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: that come with life. I think once they get you

787
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Speaker 1: to bow when you're young, it's very hard to be

788
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it for yourself. Guys, when

789
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: was the last time you've heard one of one of

790
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: your friends who's around our age. A guy in his

791
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: forties suddenly he gets brave out of nowhere and they're

792
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Speaker 1: telling everybody what he thinks. I mean, maybe he had

793
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: a mental breakdown, but that's that's pretty much it. So

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00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I think you have to do it. It will come

795
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: with the cost, But I think the greater cost is

796
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: that you know, you just will live your life as

797
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: a frog in a slowly boiling pot, and one day

798
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: that frog is boiled. It's as simple as that. See.

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Speaker 1: The thing for me is, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: if you're been agree with me on this, is that

801
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of friends and even co workers

802
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: that were nothing like this five six, seventy years ago,

803
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: and the power of social media Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and

804
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: god forbid my Space. Then all of a sudden they

805
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: became brave. That changed. Well, are you saying they became

806
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: braver they suddenly became brainwashed? I think that. I think

807
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: they became brave. I think I think you know, these

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00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: are people you'd have civilized conversations with and at times

809
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: civil discourse, but then all of a sudden you go

810
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Speaker 1: on social media and you see what their profile and

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Speaker 1: what they post, and it's drastically different than how they

812
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Speaker 1: converse with you, right right, So look full have been

813
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: brainwashed by this stuff. It is as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: The idea that identity politics is a good thing, that

815
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Speaker 1: we should judge people on their skin, color and gender

816
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Speaker 1: and sexuality. These are the reverse of every message that

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Speaker 1: anyone has been taught in a liberal democracy. This is

818
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Speaker 1: the reverse what did Martin Luther King Jr. Want? He

819
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: wanted his children to grow up in a world where

820
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Speaker 1: they would not be judged by the color of their skin,

821
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Speaker 1: but by the content of their character. Well, who's judging

822
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Speaker 1: by the color of skin right now? It's the people

823
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Speaker 1: who purport to be the anti racist. It's it's the

824
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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter crew that are making everything about race.

825
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Speaker 1: That isn't to say that there are no race racist people.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there are racist people. There are always going

827
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Speaker 1: to be racist people. Humans. Humans are flawed. I think

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Speaker 1: the best of the thing that you can do is

829
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Speaker 1: express better ideas and hopefully show them that the ideas

830
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Speaker 1: of bigotry are wrong. Um. But the idea that you

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Speaker 1: can build a system, I mean, this is what we're

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Speaker 1: being told right now that are entire your system. The

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00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: two d fifty year American experiment that this thing is

834
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: long and evil, even though it brought more prosperity to

835
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Speaker 1: more people than any other place in the history of

836
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Speaker 1: the world, and everyone in the world it still wants

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Speaker 1: to come here. Nobody wants to leave, right, I mean,

838
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: look at the numbers. Nobody's leaving the United States. The

839
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Speaker 1: older people who leave the United States are billionaires who

840
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: want to save some money on taxes. That that tells

841
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: you something. But we're being told that our system was

842
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: so evil and it's only these people who can rebuild

843
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: a system, and they're going to rebuild it, you know,

844
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Speaker 1: by burning our whole system down. You know, it's a

845
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: lot easier to burn things than to build things. And

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Speaker 1: I think that watching it's tough because I know what

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Speaker 1: you're going through, and I know what a lot of

848
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: people in momentary It's like, man, I've had lifelong friends

849
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Speaker 1: that you know, didn't show up to my wedding and

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00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: they'll say you're racist, and you say, well, have I

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Speaker 1: ever expressed a racist No, Well, you you talked to

852
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Speaker 1: this person or you didn't post about this or something.

853
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: And that's that's crazy, man. And it's uh, it's a

854
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Speaker 1: dangerous place. It's just a dangerous place for a society

855
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Speaker 1: to be at. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

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Speaker 1: Well and Dave and the piggyback up what you were

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Speaker 1: talking about a few minutes ago. Here. I've got a

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Speaker 1: kind of network of guys that work in radio around

862
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: the country that I text and talked to. And a

863
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are afraid to give any political,

864
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: even loosely political opinion because all this is related sports

865
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: now with politics, they feel like they have to say

866
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: what the mainstream is saying or else they're gonna get canceled.

867
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: It's a where it's like this has been They've all

868
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: been pushed into the closet on how they actually think

869
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: because they're afraid they're done if they actually say what

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Speaker 1: they believe. It's wild. What's going on right now? Oh? Yeah, well, look,

871
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: people who get paid to talk for a living, right

872
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 1: what are you guys getting paid for. It's to talk,

873
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: it's to share your opinions. And now we live in

874
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: the time where if you share one opinion or you

875
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow or in the wrong way or not

876
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: your head, or if took a picture with somebody who

877
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: years later did something bad, that they're going to take

878
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: you out. But again, the only way we defeat this,

879
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: we don't defeat this through legislation. I don't even think

880
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: we defeat this by voting in the right people, although

881
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: I think that would help at a certain level. The

882
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: only way we defeat this is for the average person

883
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: to get more braves. If they can't fire all of us,

884
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: they can't cancel all of us. But what they're praying

885
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: on is that they can scare enough of us to

886
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: never say what they think. You know, a good example

887
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: of this is Tucker Carlton. Now I have I've become

888
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: friendly with Tucker, and I like him, and we have

889
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: some agreements that we have some political disagreements, which by

890
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: the way, he brings me on his show to to

891
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: bring up um. But you know, every day there are

892
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: people that just wait for Tucker to say one wrong

893
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: thing so they can start a boycott against him. And

894
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: what I alreadys tell people is it's not that they're

895
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: really trying to take out Tucker Carlson. What it is

896
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: is that they're trying to signal to you. They're trying

897
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: to signal to you. Oh man, See, we can even

898
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: get Tucker. We can even get this guy on Fox

899
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: News who makes millions. So if we can get him,

900
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: we damn well sure can get you. And that that's

901
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: the really dangerous thing. But again, the only thing and

902
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the only thing that will stop it is you. You've

903
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: got to put a foot in the sand, a draw

904
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: line in the sand and say I will not give

905
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: into this thing. And it's not going to be easy.

906
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: You will lose friends, you will have family members turn

907
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: on you. Uh. This is I laid this all out

908
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: in my book. In many ways, this is what the

909
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: book is about. That you will go through all of

910
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: these things, but I promise you you will be better

911
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: on the other side. Because when it is way better

912
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: to live as you see fit and be hated than

913
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: to live on your knees and be loved, I think

914
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: who wants that? Dave? On that note, do you enjoy

915
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: what you do now? I mean, obviously this is this

916
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: is a it's a vaultal time right because you just

917
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: mentioned with your wedding and Ben and I obviously working together,

918
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: we hear things and see things but it is. It

919
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: is flammable, it is volatible. Um. But you're getting the

920
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: message out in one way and other people are getting

921
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: the message out in another way. Do you enjoy this? Like?

922
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: Are you are there days where you're not having fun

923
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: with what you're doing? Um? Well, of course there are

924
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: days when I'm not having fun, and there's there's moments

925
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Speaker 1: in a day when I'm not having fun. But by

926
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Speaker 1: and large, look, I get to say what I think,

927
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Speaker 1: I've survived the mob. Many times, I've helped people, um,

928
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: survived their own mobs. You know, I get I get

929
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: a ton of fan mail from all over the literally

930
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: all over the world, people saying that I've helped start

931
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: them on their own political or philosophical adventure. I've got

932
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: to meet, you know, heroes of mine and all kinds

933
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: of people that are that are cool and relevant and fun. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know I told you before my childhood hero was

935
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Speaker 1: Clyde Director. One day, I literally just called up my agent.

936
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Speaker 1: I said, hey, I don't gonna sound crazy, but you

937
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: know I used to love Cry the Bride when I

938
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Speaker 1: was a kid. I was like, can you get me

939
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Speaker 1: his number? And he's like, hang out a second, And

940
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Speaker 1: within two minutes I had his number and now we

941
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: text every now and again. It's like, that's pretty freaking cool.

942
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: So I would say it's not to say it doesn't

943
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: come with its stresses, because it obviously does. But you

944
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: know of the time when someone comes up to me

945
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: at the supermarket or wherever I am, it's like they

946
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: have something positive to say. So you know, you get

947
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: a cirt amount of hate online and that's not fun.

948
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: But I would say it's a it's a price I'm

949
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Speaker 1: willing to pay for everything else. And if you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the book, and if there's a guy listening right now,

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Speaker 1: I was like, on the fence, still sell them. Give

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00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: me the name of the book and tell them why

953
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: they should buy the book. Yeah, it's called Don't Burn

954
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Speaker 1: this Book, and it's simply is about everything that we've

955
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Speaker 1: discussed here. I mean we we sort of bounced around

956
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Speaker 1: at all. But what the idea of the book really is,

957
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: more than anything else, is I lay out my sort

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00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: of political philosophy and my personal philosophy, and I lay

959
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: out all my political positions. And it's not to convince

960
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: you that I'm right about every political position I I

961
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: I personally happen to be pro choice. But I'm not

962
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Speaker 1: trying to make new pro choice. You know, I'm not

963
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: trying to make someone gay for gay marriage, let's say.

964
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to make someone I believe in,

965
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Speaker 1: you know, like a fifteen percent or eighteen percent flat packs.

966
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to convince you any of the things.

967
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you that I've thought about these issues,

968
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: and these are the conclusions I've come to. And the

969
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: important thing is for you to think about think about

970
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: these things honestly, and come to a conclusion. If your

971
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: conclusion is different than mine, well that's the beautiful thing,

972
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: because we've got millions of billions of people of this country,

973
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to live in a country with

974
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: people who only thought the same things as me. So

975
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: it's about it's about thinking for yourself and and being

976
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: able to know enough so that when the mob comes

977
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Speaker 1: for you, you will survive. And and don't burn this book.

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00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: And where can they get it? David? I just saw

979
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: your Twitter feed. You have a link there is there

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00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: is there somewhere else that you can get the book

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00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: as well. Sure it's available elsewhere. It's wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 1: You can go and don't burn this book dot com

983
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: or of course it's on Amazon, who are overlorded these days. Yeah,

984
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Speaker 1: I got you, all right, Dave, thank you so much

985
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: for your time. I appreciate you. No your busy guy

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Speaker 1: and continued success my pleasure, guys. Thanks Rot