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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Hate crimes are a very

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Speaker 1: stars unwavering claim of innocence, ultimately his undoing. You committed

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Speaker 1: hour upon hour upon hour of pure perjury. Judge James

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Speaker 1: Lynn sentencing Smolett to thirty months felony probation, including that

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Speaker 1: going on and on about thirty months felony probation, probation,

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Speaker 1: In Serious XM one eleven, yet another travesty in the

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Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett case with me an all star panel. Human

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Speaker 1: author Executioner's Toll Dotor. Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists specializing in

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Speaker 1: Him From Killing Them on Amazon Kendall, but first to

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Speaker 1: Alexis Restaurant Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis. You know,

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Speaker 1: And then all roads led back to Jesse Smolette, right.

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Speaker 1: forty days of length. So he says that he gave

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Speaker 1: up food six days before he actually was sent him

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Speaker 1: to jail. So he I guess at this point is

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Speaker 1: now not eaten for eleven days, that it was a

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Speaker 1: religious thing, So he was gonna starve for forty days.

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Speaker 1: He was not gonna eat for forty days, the forty

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Speaker 1: days preceding Easter. Do I understand you? Yes, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: a lie. There's no way Jesse Smilett was not gonna

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Speaker 1: eat for forty days. That's just that's just not true.

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Speaker 1: But fine, another light by Jesse Smilett. And now he's

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Speaker 1: dragging Easter into it. Did you hear that, man, Gino,

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Speaker 1: he's dragging Eastern Well, the only person I know that

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Speaker 1: fast is for forty days was Jesus. And just do

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Speaker 1: not do not start on him. Don't do not. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to hear him dragged into this conversation

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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. But I do agree that you're right.

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Speaker 1: That's the only person I've ever known to starve themselves

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Speaker 1: for forty days and forty nights. And although he was

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Speaker 1: greatly tempted, he didn't give in. Smolett, however, is still

446
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: lying through his teeth. So alexis rustchuk he had nothing

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Speaker 1: but water behind bars, correct the mean streets of the

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Speaker 1: Cook County Local Jail, Right, it is, But the Cook

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Speaker 1: County Jail is not a cush jail. He doesn't need

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Speaker 1: notoriously bad jail. You know what do you think jail is?

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Speaker 1: Alexis ter restaurant? Where are you joining me from Rodeo

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Speaker 1: Drive this morning? No, I'm not on Rodeo Drive, but

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Speaker 1: I am in Los Angeles. But jail and jail. But

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Speaker 1: the Cook County jail is bad as well. It's not

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Speaker 1: a nice one. Well, it's jail. What do you want

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Speaker 1: it to be a spa? Well, I also think that

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Speaker 1: he was getting fairly special treatment, but they said that

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Speaker 1: they well, you're right about that. Didn't he get moved

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Speaker 1: from one place to the next so he could be

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Speaker 1: what did he go to the medical ward so he

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Speaker 1: could have a different surrounding he was in? You know what?

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Speaker 1: Take a less in our cuts. See this is Leah

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Speaker 1: Hope ABC seven. Four days into the one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty days sentence, Jesse Smollett remains in protective custody at

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Speaker 1: the Cook County Jail, and his family remained steadfast in

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Speaker 1: their support of the former TV star, who was convicted

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Speaker 1: for lyne to police about a hate crime hoax. He's

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Speaker 1: very strong. Um, it's it's a very angry situation. It's

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Speaker 1: been a complete mental marathon for him and my family.

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Speaker 1: But he's very strong, he's very focused. He Smalllett's youngest

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Speaker 1: brother visited him yesterday at the jail, where Smollett is

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Speaker 1: in a cell by himself and being monitored in the

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Speaker 1: medical wing. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, let me go

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Speaker 1: straight out to Matthew Mangino, a high profile lawyer joining me, Matthew,

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Speaker 1: the medical wing is a cushy area. You're not in

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Speaker 1: general population. There are very few inmates in there. Their

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Speaker 1: nurses walking around, they're they're measuring your hydration and your

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Speaker 1: pulse and all that. Why was he in the medical wing, Well,

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Speaker 1: you're right, that's the medical wing is is like a

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Speaker 1: hospital within a correctional facility. Uh, you know, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: because he was starving himself. I don't know. You know

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Speaker 1: that that's curious that he would be in the medical

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Speaker 1: wing other than his absurd fasting. But again, should he

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Speaker 1: even be in jail is the question. I believe that

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Speaker 1: the jury decided that, and you're still talking about it.

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Speaker 1: The jury decided he was guilty, the judge decided that

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Speaker 1: he had to go to jail. And again, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to look at similar Class four felonies in Illinois,

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Speaker 1: they don't they don't involve jail. Again, again, Matthew Mangino,

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Speaker 1: you keep talking about similar crimes, but yet you have

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Speaker 1: been unable to name one crime that you can specify

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Speaker 1: that is similar to this crime. The breath of his

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Speaker 1: hoax on Lady Justice is beyond compare and still lying

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Speaker 1: through his tea as he SIPs ice water. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut e from Fox Jesse's Millette going free,

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Speaker 1: at least for now while he tries to get his

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Speaker 1: sentence overturned. The appeals court ordered Jesse's release during the

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Speaker 1: appeals process. He will first have to post a bond

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Speaker 1: of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars before he's led

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Speaker 1: out of Coke County Jail, although it's unclear when exactly

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Speaker 1: he'll be able to walk free. Jesse started serving his

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Speaker 1: five months last Thursday, and immediately after the judge sentence him,

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Speaker 1: he started shouting that he was innocent and raising his

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Speaker 1: fists in the air as he was taken out of

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Speaker 1: the court in handcuffs. You can see those tense moments

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Speaker 1: inside of the courtroom in this video. His defense team

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Speaker 1: and his family members never stopped asking for his release,

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Speaker 1: claiming that Jesse was in physical harm while behind bars.

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Speaker 1: They cited racist and homophobic threats that they had received,

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Speaker 1: and also said Jesse was highly susceptible to contracting COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen while in jail. So that's the latest when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Jesse Smolett saga. Here, really racist and

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Speaker 1: homophobic threats again that second verse, same as the first,

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Speaker 1: alexis to Rustchuck. That's what he claimed the first time.

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Speaker 1: For all I know, it's Smolette from the Cook County

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Speaker 1: payphone calling his family. I mean, they're they're they're tuning

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Speaker 1: up with that again. I mean, if these threats were real,

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Speaker 1: it would be different. But they've already been proved to

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Speaker 1: be a line, which doesn't injustice to every hate crime

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Speaker 1: victim out there that has been targeted because they're black,

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Speaker 1: because they're gay, because they're Asian, because they're a woman,

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Speaker 1: because they're Bill on the blink, Hey hey, because of

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Speaker 1: who you are, and they're they're praying on that again.

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Speaker 1: Printers that are that are incarcerated complain all the time

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Speaker 1: about how they have so little access to the outside world.

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Speaker 1: It's very extensive to make a phone call. The calls

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Speaker 1: are collect number one, but go ahead. And so the

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Speaker 1: fact that they're they're saying after five days that social

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Speaker 1: media Twitter, Instagram is affecting how Jesse is, mister Smalllett

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Speaker 1: is being treated behind bars doesn't compute. It just doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense at Tating people who are saying things about

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Speaker 1: him on social media would then somehow affect people behind bars,

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Speaker 1: as if that information has infiltrated you know, some sort

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Speaker 1: of Gary group behind bars. It's gonna then targett. It

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Speaker 1: defies logic, you know. Matthew me Gino, high profile lawyers

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Speaker 1: joining us, A former district attorney and Lawrence County now author. Matthew,

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Speaker 1: how many times as one of your clients gotten an

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Speaker 1: appeal bond, which means after can acted at trial, typically

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Speaker 1: by a jury, the judges, Oh, you know what, Never

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Speaker 1: mind about that conviction thing. You're going to walk free

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Speaker 1: to tell an appeals court, for instance, the Illinois Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court rules on your case, and then after they rule,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can appeal it on up to the Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals. And after that, hey, maybe you can

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Speaker 1: take it all the way to the US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: You just don't know how far this appeal is going

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Speaker 1: to go. But the whole time you can stay out

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Speaker 1: behind bars. I mean, why even have a jury trial? Well,

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Speaker 1: to answer your question, you know, it's not entirely unusual

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Speaker 1: to get an appeal bond, I any of you had, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just just let me finish. It's not entirely unusual

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Speaker 1: to get one from a trial judge who is the case,

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Speaker 1: who thinks that maybe you have an appeal that has

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Speaker 1: some merit to it based on him having observed the trial,

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Speaker 1: so you know he made granted. It is unusual to

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Speaker 1: within five days, at least in my experience, to have

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Speaker 1: an appellate court intervene and say this person should have

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Speaker 1: an appeal bond over the denial of the trial judge.

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Speaker 1: That's unusual. I can't say that I've ever seen that.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Yea, how many times

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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor did you get a conviction on a

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Speaker 1: case and then that person get out on an appeal bond? Us?

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Speaker 1: It's rare because I never had a happen to me

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Speaker 1: as the prosecutor. Not once. Then one person that I

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Speaker 1: took a trial and there was a conviction get out

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Speaker 1: while they appealed the conviction. That never happened, and that

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Speaker 1: was ten solid years of intercity Atlanta high crime. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you so never, I think never,

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Speaker 1: and you're here, But if you have, if you have

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Speaker 1: a you're not answering. I'm sorry, Matthew Menie know you're

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Speaker 1: not answering. How often did that ever happen to you?

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Speaker 1: Did it ever happen? I would say times, maybe in

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Speaker 1: eight years or a judge, A judge granted and a

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Speaker 1: tilbond when in fact that one of yours. I didn't

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Speaker 1: hear the number. I say a couple. As a district attorney,

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Speaker 1: every case was mine, So I say a couple of

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Speaker 1: times would happen? All right, I've never had it happened.

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Speaker 1: Who's jumping in? Is that Paul's eye? Yeah? The ant

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Speaker 1: I just like to make a quick comment, and that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you look at this from the flip side,

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Speaker 1: let's just say he would have been successful. Let's say

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Speaker 1: that that the his plot would not have been discovered.

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Speaker 1: He essentially would be setting up one or two or

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Speaker 1: more people to spend you know, a decade or two

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Speaker 1: behind bars just to promote his career. And and that

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Speaker 1: angle is not really being thought of in this Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he lied, Yes he wasted a lot of time, Yes

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Speaker 1: he had a lot of resources diverted diverted to him.

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Speaker 1: But if his end game would have happened, the perversion

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Speaker 1: of justice would have been un imaginable. You know, you're right,

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Speaker 1: those Cindario brothers could have gone down for years on

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Speaker 1: end for a hate crime for threatening bleach on some

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Speaker 1: a lot for a beating him up, for attacking him

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Speaker 1: and then not putting a noose around his neck. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, what exactly is a pathological liar? Well, this

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Speaker 1: is somebody who, if I mean to put it, really simply,

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Speaker 1: if their lips are moving there they're lying. That's how

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Speaker 1: you can think about them, because the lies literally just

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Speaker 1: come out of their mouths with great deal of ease.

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Speaker 1: Research on pathological liars shows that, you know, if they're

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Speaker 1: hooked up to an EKG right to check their pulse

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Speaker 1: and things like that, that they lie and they really

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Speaker 1: don't experience that same kind of physical reaction that somebody

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Speaker 1: who's telling a lie that doesn't normally lie would like,

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Speaker 1: anxiety and things like that, heightened arousal. They just lie

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Speaker 1: for the sake of lying. Lie for the sake of

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Speaker 1: lying too. Alexis terresta Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: Smallest Lawyers, filed what we call an emergency motion, claiming

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Speaker 1: that if he stayed in jail, he would have a

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Speaker 1: physical threat even though he was being held in protective custody.

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Speaker 1: What are the grounds on which his defense lawyers argued

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Speaker 1: he should be out on appeal bond. Well, that is

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Speaker 1: what they say. They say that he is in danger

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Speaker 1: of being threatened by people. But they also said, this

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Speaker 1: appeal could take months and months and much much longer

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Speaker 1: than one hundred and fifty days that our client has

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Speaker 1: been sentenced to jail. So if in the very end,

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Speaker 1: you know, one year from now, his appeal is granted

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Speaker 1: and his conviction is a returned, he will have already

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Speaker 1: served that time and you can't take that back. You can't.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to fix that. You serve time that

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Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to ultimately serve. So that is what

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Speaker 1: they argued. That the appeal would take longer than the

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Speaker 1: sentence would, so he should be out on bond during

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Speaker 1: that time. And in fact they imposed one on him

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and they said, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't have to pay that up front, but if

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Speaker 1: he misses any more court cases, he's have to pay that.

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Speaker 1: So many allowances made for them. Jesse Smolette somehow has

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Speaker 1: pulled yet another hoax on an appeals court. Jesse Smolette,

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Speaker 1: Empire Star hate crime faker has walked free. He has

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Speaker 1: been released from jail while his lawyers appeal his conviction.

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Speaker 1: Big Black for Lady Justice and crime victims all across

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Speaker 1: our country. Nancy Grace proms story, signing off Goodbye