WEBVTT - An Impossible Mission.  Mike Lyons Talks to A&G.  

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<v Speaker 1>As a helicopter force ingress towards the objective at low level.

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<v Speaker 1>We arrived at Maduro's compound at one one am Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Standard time or two to one am Caracas local time,

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<v Speaker 1>and the apprehension force descended into Maduro's compound and moved

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<v Speaker 1>with speed, precision, and discipline towards their objective and isolated

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<v Speaker 1>the area to ensure the safety and security of the

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<v Speaker 1>ground force while apprehending the indicted persons.

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<v Speaker 2>So how old is Maduro? I gotta think he get

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<v Speaker 2>woken up from a sound sleep, and there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, us super secret special Forces special Forces

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<v Speaker 2>dudes with guns and flashlights and stuff in your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Takes a while to.

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<v Speaker 3>Get your bearings. You got to have at least one

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<v Speaker 3>thought that, wow, this is a weird dream.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sixty three. Yeah, it take me a little while

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<v Speaker 2>to yah sec I had some price of food last night.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Right right? Well? General Cain there describing the critical kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, the climactic moments of the raid and

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<v Speaker 3>coming across Maduro. We skipped past where he helps us

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<v Speaker 3>understand the incredible complexity and sophistication of the operation and

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<v Speaker 3>for that analysis. What a pleasure it is for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time the year to talk to military analyst Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Lyons about this awesome, awesome demonstration of American capability. Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>how are you, sir? Do you have a good holiday season? Good?

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<v Speaker 4>What you guys? Happy New Year? Yes, had a great

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<v Speaker 4>holiday season and what a way to start the year

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really digging your Twitter feed in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night the other night following your analysis of

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<v Speaker 2>it is what's happened? So thanks?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, just watching this, you know, here's to

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<v Speaker 4>me is the biggest issue. For months, I've been talking

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<v Speaker 4>to former special operators and other people in the military

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<v Speaker 4>trying to figure out what are we doing in the

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<v Speaker 4>Caribbean right Obviously we're projecting power blown up drug boats

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<v Speaker 4>and the like there, and we all thought that this

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<v Speaker 4>mission was going to be impossible. I mean, for us

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<v Speaker 4>to go in kinetically take out Maduro, it would mean

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<v Speaker 4>an invasion for US. I kept saying, well, nothing's going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen because the Army's not in the game yet.

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<v Speaker 4>And the only I can think of it's like you're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting on a desert island. You got a can without

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<v Speaker 4>a can opener and you're not going to eat, and

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<v Speaker 4>then all of a sudden the next day the cans

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<v Speaker 4>open and now you're gonna be able to eat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the level of from an operational perspective was so complex

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<v Speaker 4>and just just incredible, and from a competency perspective, And

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<v Speaker 4>I still have the scars from the nineteen eighties with

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Desert one and what happened there and the

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<v Speaker 4>ashes that that took place there. So I can't reiterate

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<v Speaker 4>just how incredibly amazing this mission was and the complexity

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<v Speaker 4>of it. One hundred and fifty aircraft, no casualties in

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<v Speaker 4>and out two and a half hours. It's you couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>write a script that said it would go as.

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<v Speaker 3>Easy as a one hundred and fifty aircraft. Yeah, help

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<v Speaker 3>us understand what kind of aircraft and what were they

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<v Speaker 3>doing for we layman. Just give us the broad outlines

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<v Speaker 3>of the complexity of the operation.

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<v Speaker 4>All the levers of forces that we have in power,

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<v Speaker 4>we're applied here. Aircraft that took out their air defense systems,

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<v Speaker 4>drones monitoring surveillance, helicopters shuttling in the seventy fifth rangers.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this was if you had to give a visual.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like Blackhawk down back from the nineties,

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<v Speaker 4>that failure of a mission, unfortunately. But you know the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that we had the Rangers in there protecting the

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<v Speaker 4>strike force, which is the Delta guys that go in

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<v Speaker 4>and extract people like this, this is their mission. And

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<v Speaker 4>we know that they ended up practicing this for months

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<v Speaker 4>before they had a set up and they had done this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still surprised that Maduro didn't have thirty thousand troops

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<v Speaker 4>surrounding him. I mean, given the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he knew the United States was going after him. So

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<v Speaker 4>it still is just incredible about those those soldiers getting in.

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<v Speaker 4>But every single one of those aircraft had a mission

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<v Speaker 4>either bringing troops in, gathering surveillance, taking out targets, just

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<v Speaker 4>a real high combination. And you noticed General King kept

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the joint force. The joint force. That is

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<v Speaker 4>the difference between US and every other military out there.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why the Russians are wallowing a novacane in Ukraine, right.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't jointly bring all their forces together to make

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<v Speaker 4>to attack something and move forward with They don't combine

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<v Speaker 4>air power with ground power and ISR. They just go

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<v Speaker 4>one at a time. But in this case, the United

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<v Speaker 4>States is able to take with interagency, take all of

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<v Speaker 4>these levers of power and bring them together and create

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<v Speaker 4>this incredible fist that can take anybody out that we choose.

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<v Speaker 2>To give me an idea of how risky this would

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<v Speaker 2>have been, like if you do it ten times, are

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<v Speaker 2>you successful eight times? Or do you have any guests

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<v Speaker 2>on that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's why we all sat around and said, this

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<v Speaker 4>just wasn't going to happen, wasn't even a kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a course of action. And I was talking to guys

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<v Speaker 4>that at the highest levels of Jaysak and you know

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<v Speaker 4>that that had been in that spot. They just thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was going to be just too difficult. The element

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<v Speaker 4>of surprise, just maintaining that that alone was a factor

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<v Speaker 4>that just was incredible. And then the weather played, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the D Day type invasion is what we all thought.

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<v Speaker 4>We thought that, yeah, if they thought they would move

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<v Speaker 4>twenty to twenty five thousand troops or so, and because

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<v Speaker 4>we thought they'd had to get an egress point in,

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<v Speaker 4>but they were able to take out any of the

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<v Speaker 4>air defense systems. So the other thing this does, too

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<v Speaker 4>is that it shows that once again the total crap

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<v Speaker 4>of Russian military equipment, because that's what's been surrounding Venezuela

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to their air defense system. So the

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<v Speaker 4>essay three hundred, you might as well put it in

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<v Speaker 4>a museum right now, because anybody who has it is

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<v Speaker 4>never going to use it again, because the United States

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<v Speaker 4>just blew right by it. So we take out the

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<v Speaker 4>air defense platforms, we take out their systems, and then

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<v Speaker 4>we've shut the power off in the country. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no other country in the world that can do this.

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<v Speaker 4>But to say that you wouldn't expect a casualty, or

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<v Speaker 4>you wouldn't expect something to go wrong, very unlikely. In

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<v Speaker 4>this case, eight out of ten times something else would

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<v Speaker 4>go wrong. You have the expectation, commanders expect losses, you'd

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<v Speaker 4>have an expectation you lose something.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, miraculous success. I was struck by General Kine

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<v Speaker 3>saying we rehearse this over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 3>not so that we could get it right, but so

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<v Speaker 3>that it couldn't go wrong. Now, obviously fate and God intervened,

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<v Speaker 3>but that that's that's a philosophy that we civilians don't

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't heard articulated in that way before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is that's a result of Desert one and

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you have to plan. When when I

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<v Speaker 4>was on active duty, we said, with the planning gets slimed, right,

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<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen to us along the way, And

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<v Speaker 4>you have to plan for every one of those contingencies,

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<v Speaker 4>rehearse them so their second nature, so you know exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what to do. It's that your playbook, checklist mentality that

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<v Speaker 4>the military has military trains for that. That that within

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<v Speaker 4>our military because of this thing called commander's intents. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching people try to say, oh, the soldiers are

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<v Speaker 4>the sailors, they don't know where are going. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're invading Venezuela. None of that. Everybody got the mission.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody knew what the mission was. Get in, get out,

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<v Speaker 4>extra extra, extra, strate the guy, get him in and out.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody knows commanders intent. And that's what's another thing that

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<v Speaker 4>makes our military work better than everybody else's.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you're talking to some of your friends who've

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<v Speaker 2>been there, done that with regime change and nation building

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, is there some concern that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have boots on the ground trying to keep Venezuela a

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<v Speaker 2>stable place for a certain amount of time.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so. This is not a rock. We

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<v Speaker 4>don't have one hundred thousand troops there. This was not

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<v Speaker 4>an invasion and it's also not regime change. Their constitution

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<v Speaker 4>has put their vice president, Kelsea Rodriguez now in charge,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've given her the message you're either going to

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<v Speaker 4>play ball or not. And if you're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>play ball, you might find yourself in a pair of

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<v Speaker 4>white tennis shoes and a Nike jumpsuits sitting in the

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<v Speaker 4>back of a Special Forces helicopter here if you don't

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<v Speaker 4>play ball. And the thing about it is, this is

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<v Speaker 4>what we want to do. We're taking control, taking control

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<v Speaker 4>of three hundred billion barrels of reserve crude oil in

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<v Speaker 4>our hemisphere, not allowing the Chinese, by the way, the

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<v Speaker 4>Ranians that had already built a drone facility manufacturing drones

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<v Speaker 4>in Venezuela. The Chinese are taking their oil. The Russians

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<v Speaker 4>and the military this is long overdue to take care

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<v Speaker 4>of this situation right now. I mean, this is this

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<v Speaker 4>has been so, this will be so pivotabal for our

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<v Speaker 4>country and from from a generational perspective and how we've

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<v Speaker 4>reset the world and reset the economy and any energy

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<v Speaker 4>market in particular. It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm we're talking to military analyst Mike Leons. Mike I

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned earlier in the show that you almost have to

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<v Speaker 3>compartmentalize each part of this because you always want to

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<v Speaker 3>leap to the next part, and you kind of did,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a great discussion, and I'm a little mystified

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<v Speaker 3>by this. The operation was amazing, and as a demonstration

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<v Speaker 3>of American power, I think it will echo around the

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<v Speaker 3>globe and it should. Uh, But going forward, can we

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<v Speaker 3>exercise Lever's power effectively enough to get what we need

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<v Speaker 3>out of the Venezuelan regime given the fact that they

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<v Speaker 3>are still what they were and this this Gallow's in

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<v Speaker 3>charge now is a hardcore Maduroite socialist.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we're going to find out. And she controls the

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<v Speaker 4>military right now, and he's basically said we'd back in

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<v Speaker 4>if we had to. So we're gonna let this thing

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<v Speaker 4>ste for a little bit. Again, It's not been regime

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<v Speaker 4>changed right now, it's just different person running the country

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<v Speaker 4>right now. I've got confidence that we'll put enough pressure

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<v Speaker 4>on them we will then start to take over the

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<v Speaker 4>petroleum assets and where they actually pump oil from. And

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<v Speaker 4>we'll do all we'll do all those kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 4>which is what we're trying to do here, which we're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get to. I think. So for example, this

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<v Speaker 4>this administration that Trump's was not keen about restoring Machado.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the individual won the Nobel Peace Prize from

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<v Speaker 4>UH this last year and was.

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<v Speaker 3>And we already won the left election right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But this but real politic on the ground. She

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't control anything, you know, it's right now, this is

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<v Speaker 4>hardcore human nature. Who controls the military. This is for

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<v Speaker 4>you know, grown ups. This is not for you know,

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<v Speaker 4>theoretical people that are running the government. She's got no legitimacy. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>I hate to say it like that, but she doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>to run the government. So we're gonna give this person, Rodrigae,

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<v Speaker 4>the chance because she does control the military and the oil.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna cut a deal with her. I'm sure, and

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<v Speaker 4>we'll move this. We'll move this down the road. And

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<v Speaker 4>if we do it, this is again trumped with leverage.

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<v Speaker 4>He is the leverage meister, getting leverage of oil. Right now.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that we have this control now over there

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<v Speaker 4>oil puts Canada on notice, China onnoticed. China might not

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<v Speaker 4>be able to invent inde Taiwan now they only have

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five billion barrels in reserve. They might not have

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<v Speaker 4>the energy to do it now. So there's so much

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<v Speaker 4>leverage that was gained by this operation that without even

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<v Speaker 4>a casualty being gone, I just can't talk about it

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<v Speaker 4>so much.

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<v Speaker 3>So if this gal doesn't come around, we snatch her up,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the person after her, and before long it's

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<v Speaker 3>like being the head of isis you know the first

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<v Speaker 3>thing you do when you get the job is you're

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<v Speaker 3>write your will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what's funny was they got asked the question

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<v Speaker 4>like Marco Ruby got asked question over the weekend about

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<v Speaker 4>why did you just take him? Why didn't you take

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<v Speaker 4>all his other henchmen. It's like, do you not get

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<v Speaker 4>do you not hear yourself? I mean that was the

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<v Speaker 4>mission of getting that one person, which is the person.

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<v Speaker 4>So again it's all done legally too, which is really

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<v Speaker 4>why we go in there in the first place, under

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<v Speaker 4>this guise of you know, getting him from legally from

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<v Speaker 4>a drug perspective. No, you can't argue against it. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>you know the Democrats wanted him out five years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>They just didn't have the nerve to do what.

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<v Speaker 3>We did military analysts. Mike Lines, Yeah, Marco gave a

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<v Speaker 3>fine spank into Margaret Brendon. We enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask you this before we let you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I purposely went to New Orleans over vacation just to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the World War II Museum. I assume you've

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<v Speaker 2>been there before.

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<v Speaker 4>I have amazing just you know, the stories you know,

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<v Speaker 4>starts in the that real car and you walk through.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the most amazing museum I've ever been to anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of presents there and just the sacrifices made

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<v Speaker 4>and we just should never forget. And we're getting further

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<v Speaker 4>from that generation, but it's just incredible. I advise everybody

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<v Speaker 4>to go there. My classmate actually is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>directors there, works down there and they held nice events there,

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<v Speaker 4>but just the his historical what they've captured there is

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<v Speaker 4>just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll tell them I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I want to hear more about that from you,

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<v Speaker 3>Jack as well. Mike Lines, Mike, thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Great guys. Thanks for having me all right

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<v Speaker 1>Our pleasure, Armstrong and Getty