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Speaker 2: Pauled in by Wilson for a touchdown. Wanna throw by

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Speaker 3: Problem solved bed.

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Speaker 2: On the endzone pickoff. Hi's here White with the.

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Speaker 1: Interception, the latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 1: cover the team.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Tyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty, right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: You know the only thing that the NFL does better

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Speaker 2: than football.

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Speaker 3: If there is something, I'd love to know what it is.

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Speaker 2: Reality checks? Okay, we was it ten years ago, fifteen

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Speaker 2: years ago, and whenever it was, Patriots thought they had

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Speaker 2: solved it right, the Rubik's Cube of the NFL. They

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Speaker 2: were eighteen and oh they thought they were going to

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Speaker 2: have the perfect Juggernaut season reality check in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: right in the az by the way, reality check everywhere

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Speaker 2: you look. By week three in the NFL, may I

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Speaker 2: give an example that if you're the Cincinnati Bengals, not

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Speaker 2: only are you zero to three, not only did the

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Speaker 2: Washington offense come out there and show to be a

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Speaker 2: lot more than just a quote nice college offense. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that in a little bit, and their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: But for the second straight week, the Cincinnati defense gave

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Speaker 2: up a touchdown pass too alignment. So that's an only

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Speaker 2: three reality check that goes way beyond Joe Burrow's hair.

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Speaker 2: Put it that way.

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Speaker 3: I thought, for a minute though, you were going to

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Speaker 3: talk about how we stink it picks.

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Speaker 2: But that's the reality check, not me.

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Speaker 3: Under five hundred is under five hundred, Danny, Wow, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Think we're under five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Technically, well you were for the week see once again.

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Speaker 2: Cardinal's Underground, brought to you by a Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 2: might be a football podcast on the surface, but for

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Speaker 2: those involved, it becomes one big reality check for some

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Speaker 2: more than others yours truly, when it gets around to

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Speaker 2: wise guy trivia, that has been most Definitely that's gonna

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Speaker 2: be around halftime? Is that what the game plan calls?

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fact, you know what I'm gonna title the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: game plan for Washington this week Operation reality Check. When

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Speaker 2: Washington hasn't even punted the ball or committed a turnover

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Speaker 2: in two straight games, the only team to do that

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Speaker 2: since like nineteen forty or some insanity like that.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you, because when you

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Speaker 3: just hand me the title for the podcast for afterwards,

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Speaker 3: when I have to come up with a description and title,

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Speaker 3: I just I say thank you, Paul.

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Speaker 2: I got that out of the way. So now we

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Speaker 2: have your complete focus the rest of Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, where are we again?

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Speaker 2: There you go? See see that's you got to coach

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Speaker 2: that up. You know, it's a We look at the

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Speaker 2: film later and we point the clicker right at Darren

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Speaker 2: Danny and you got to get better. This is one

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Speaker 2: of those moments where your winning behavior is lacking.

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Speaker 4: You call the remote the clicker.

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Speaker 2: It's the cowboy clicker in honor of Cliff Kingsbury. That's

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Speaker 4: I don't like using clicker. Okay, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Right, so let's go around the horn here. Lions over

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals in Week three, twenty to thirteen, some of

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Speaker 3: Well, and that analogy.

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Speaker 2: Last week, the Motown mowdown was actually in the trenches.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Danny, before you get started, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: that little sequence he just said. I mean there were

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to fallow.

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Speaker 2: By the way, is he's wearing a Honolut blue shirt.

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Speaker 2: I will get to that a little bit later as well.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals offense is built around running the ball. Looking

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Speaker 2: we said pregame, you know there's gonna be more chips

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Speaker 2: in routes. How much did that affect Kyler's productivity in

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Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely valid. That makes sense because we

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Speaker 4: used the extra body there. That's just not the game

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if I want to play Cardinals underground Monday morning quarterback,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there was room for Kyler to run

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Speaker 3: I think in the end, you're probably looking at I mean,

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Speaker 4: It's not fair to compare different organizations. I do see

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Speaker 3: I mean we all saw it in the locker room

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Speaker 3: ir he could be gone for the season. Marcus Davenport

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Speaker 3: But like just guys getting beat up, I'm sure, the

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Speaker 2: recency bias, yeah, okay, but second most physical game I've

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: This pass game against the Lions. Way too many injuries,

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Speaker 3: How do we just circle back to you, did you're awesome?

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Speaker 2: Okay, strike strike the self serving comment, Danny, Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: The Washington game is not going to be as physical

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Speaker 2: Darren, what do you got?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something we want to see.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy.

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Speaker 3: And I now remember this now that the week after

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Speaker 2: Still, yeah, they still had Cam in his prime and Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Were behind twenty forty seven and a half time I

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so yeah, see it can so So

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Speaker 2: Really once again, the NFL is a reality chech league.

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Speaker 3: Oh see see paulis all the way back.

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Speaker 2: I mean you really do.

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Speaker 3: He might be good at this job, Danny.

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Speaker 2: Look at the Washington. Look at the Washington in the record.

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Speaker 2: Look at the Washington quarterback situation. Third straight year the

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Speaker 3: And then I forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you go back to twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I know we don't want to get too far Afield.

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Speaker 3: But I did see after the Jaguars got hammered by

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Speaker 2: And I'm going back, you know, to week two and

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Speaker 4: The connection with Murray and Harrison is going to take time.

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Speaker 4: That's not what necessarily concerns me when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: want to get eighty five in space. When he did

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Speaker 2: catch the ball at Buffalo, guys were on him right away.

436
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: He didn't really have a chance for yards after catch,

437
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: which he was so good at obviously last year. Because

438
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: a he's a big dude, he's athletic. He'll either break

439
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: arm tackles, get the stiff arm out there. He rarely

440
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: goes down in first contact if he's able to turn

441
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: and get up field a little bit. Just doesn't seem

442
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: like he's had a chance to really make the catch

443
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: and get it in gear and then assess, Okay, where

444
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: am I going with it? Defenses so far, and I

445
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: presume its defenses are doing a good job bottling them up.

446
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: But if I'm Drew Petsen and the Cardinals offense, I'm

447
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: guessing that's a priority going forward, unlocking eighty five.

448
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Speaker 3: I would agree that you got unlock him, and has

449
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: been proven by Travis Kelcey and George Kittle, et cetera,

450
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. If you are a great tight end,

451
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 3: the offenses will make it work. That said, Trey McBride's

452
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: not surprising anybody this year. I mean, you come into

453
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Speaker 3: a game with the Cardinals. I mean, Marvin Harrison hasn't

454
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Speaker 3: even proven much yet. I mean, obviously you got to

455
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Speaker 3: worry about him. If I'm a defensive coordinator, I'm absolutely

456
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: keen on Trey McBride at this point. And maybe it's

457
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: now the balls back in the Cardinals court. Okay, you

458
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: surprised everybody with how good McBride was last year, and

459
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Speaker 3: people weren't quite ready for it. Now the defense is adjusted.

460
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 3: Now it's time for the offenses to adjust back.

461
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Speaker 2: On Marvin Harrison Junior Darren. Are they O for the

462
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Speaker 2: back shoulder this season?

463
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Speaker 3: No? They are not. In fact, not only are they

464
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Speaker 3: not OH for the back shoulder, but I think there

465
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Speaker 3: was one. There was definitely one against the Rams that

466
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Speaker 3: got him a first down when they were deep in

467
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Speaker 3: their own territory. And I'm pretty sure there was one

468
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Speaker 3: this past weekend. Now there was a couple that weren't

469
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Speaker 3: that look like they'd be there. I mean, if you

470
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Speaker 3: take percentages, you want to hit a higher clip than

471
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Speaker 3: they are right now. And I asked True pettsing about

472
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Speaker 3: that this week, about is it just a question of

473
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Speaker 3: time on task? And he basically said, yeah, and I'm

474
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Speaker 3: not worried about it. I do think there are plays

475
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Speaker 3: right now where, rightly or wrongly, we're all assuming are

476
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Speaker 3: going to get made because Kyler's Kyler and Marvin is Marvin,

477
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: and maybe that's not fair. And then you know, Danny

478
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: was just talking about like there is the learning curve.

479
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Speaker 3: I do think the back shoulder is something that is

480
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Speaker 3: something that I think all players are got to You've

481
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Speaker 3: got to really have practice to get really good at it,

482
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: and Marvin's still learning the game itself, and then you

483
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: want to throw in that nuance right there. And I

484
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 3: quite frankly, I don't think Kyler hopped to a point. Yes,

485
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Kyler's had that guy who he

486
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Speaker 3: was trusting with a back shoulder a lot, and since

487
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Speaker 3: he's been here anyways, so Kyler's got to get more

488
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: used to like throwing it all because he certainly wasn't

489
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Speaker 3: throwing it last year.

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Speaker 2: No, it's about a point. I think when this Cardinals

491
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: offense truly becomes what it can be, it's when it

492
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: can beat you one of multiple ways. For example, when

493
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Speaker 2: you were in Buffalo, the Bills were all about taking

494
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Speaker 2: away Marvin Harrison Junior didn't quite make the Bills defense

495
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: pay the way you wanted to. The Lions well, obviously

496
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: hell bent on taking away James Connor in the run game.

497
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Speaker 2: Theoretically you should be able to make them pay in

498
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Speaker 2: other ways in the pass game. That obviously didn't happen

499
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Speaker 2: enough to get a victory. So as this thing evolves,

500
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Speaker 2: that's I think where you're getting. Where you have enough

501
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: weapons and both the run in the pass game that okay,

502
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Speaker 2: based on what the defense is doing, that's going to

503
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Speaker 2: dictate who's going to beat you today.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, that was part of the reason the game was

505
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Speaker 4: so impressive against the Rams Week two and that Cardinals win.

506
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: The offense couldn't be stopped in any facet. James Connor

507
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: was picking up thirteen fourteen yard runs up the middle.

508
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: The blocking by the offensive lineman Connor to able to

509
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: find those gaps and work his way into the second

510
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: level was working. And when they wanted to throw the ball,

511
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: that was working as well. Not even just the shorter passes,

512
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: those deep passes, those touchdown passes to Harrison were working.

513
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Speaker 4: In weeks one and three, the two losses for the Cardinals,

514
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: they've been one dimensional. Whether that was possibly more weather

515
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 4: related in Buffalo with the wind and that playing a

516
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: factor even at home at State Farm Stadium, though, when

517
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 4: the roof was closed week three, so you can't even

518
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Speaker 4: blame it there. I'm right there with you, Paul, when

519
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: you're looking at the math. If Harrison is double teamed,

520
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: that means somebody else is open. If you're not able

521
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Speaker 4: to run the ball, then you need to be able

522
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Speaker 4: to pass it, and vice versa. If a team's going

523
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Speaker 4: to force you to become one dimensional, you still have

524
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Speaker 4: to be able to dominate, especially with the pieces that

525
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 4: this offense has. They have the pieces to be able

526
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Speaker 4: to run the ball and catch the ball successfully.

527
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, did miss no math? Just say I'm looking

528
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Speaker 3: at the math? I mean, you just completely went out

529
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Speaker 3: of it.

530
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Speaker 4: It's okay if I bring it up, okay. But if

531
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Speaker 4: someone's going to make me do math on air and

532
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: popible set me up for embarrassment, that I'm not okay

533
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Speaker 4: with no.

534
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Speaker 2: I like the reality you want a reality check league?

535
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: How about the Rams beating the forty nine ers banged

536
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: up beyond all comprehension. Of course, the Niners are banged

537
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: up two, but then Matthew Stafford is down fourteen, with

538
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: like five and a half to play, the win probability

539
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: was like three percent, and of course the Rams win

540
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: because once again everybody now it's a reality check league

541
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: and that's what happens. In all of a sudden, the

542
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Stink and Seahawks are three and zero. Okay, So yeah,

543
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: that's the state of the NFC West. Justin Jones, if

544
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: he is down, what does that mean? It's let me

545
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: tell you, I will say this much. And I might

546
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: have got over my skis a little bit on Monday

547
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Speaker 2: after the game. I said, by the end of the game,

548
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I could see the Cardinals

549
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: snagging that seventh playoff spot. And if you're the final

550
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: wild card, you know where you're going. You're going on

551
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: the road against the number two seed in the NFC.

552
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: You know who that easily could be the Detroit Lions.

553
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: That's true.

554
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: I could see those two teams in the d in

555
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: January playoff rematch, except this time, speaking to d D

556
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: rob Darius Robinson, knock on Wood would be available and

557
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: that would be a big addition, especially now in light

558
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: of a potential injury to ninety three.

559
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Speaker 3: Justin Jube, Yeah, I mean I didn't see the play

560
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: where it happened.

561
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: He was in a lot of pain when he came

562
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Speaker 2: off the field.

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no boy, though. I mean, unfortunately, these injuries

564
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: are going to happen, and I think the Cardinals have

565
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: been I mean, they had the two young defensive players

566
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 3: get hurt in training camp and you're like, damn. But

567
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: other than that, they've stayed okay. And then again, there

568
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: was the meat grinder of this game, which they dished out,

569
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: as we have already talked about, as much as they

570
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: took it. But you know, with all due respect to

571
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: the lines, nobody cares about what they have going through

572
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: because unless there is that playoff matchup, the Cardinals don't

573
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: have to see them again, so it doesn't really matter.

574
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: You know.

575
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Speaker 2: I will say this, that game was so physical that

576
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Speaker 2: as much as I'm an advocate of eighteen regular season games,

577
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: and I really am, I just I don't need three

578
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: preseason games personally.

579
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Speaker 3: Thanks for asking, Aric, let's go back to sixteen.

580
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: That you watch a game like that, You're like, wow,

581
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: that that would be tough. Eighteen regular season games if

582
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: they're anywhere nearest physical is that game? So you know

583
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: what I think everybody needs a breather. Uh, you know,

584
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: we'll regroup. Good. A little halftime going here, And speaking

585
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: of reality check, I think it's coming for me. In

586
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Speaker 2: three two one.

587
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Speaker 1: It's time for the Wise Guy the World's Bestest Growing

588
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals quiz Show. The stakes are low, the winner gets

589
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Here's your hostess with the mostess.

590
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Speaker 4: Daddy's right, Darren, you won, Well, you've won the first

591
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: two weeks. You won last week. So would you would

592
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Speaker 4: you like to answer the first question? Would you like

593
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: to defer and hand that first one this week?

594
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Like on the coin toss?

595
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to say quickly that

596
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: there are a few things I see put a smile

597
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: on Danny's face more than this segment. So I love

598
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: this segment. I'm going to defer and let the old

599
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: man go first.

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Speaker 2: When I see that smile, and it's a wry smile

601
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: by Danny over there. All right, what are they called

602
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: the Cheshire grin or whatever it is, it's I get

603
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: I go all Polly panic attack at this moment. So, okay,

604
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: what was your decision again?

605
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm deferring, I'm gonna let I'm I'm letting you go first.

606
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: You really got to pick it up because Darren is two. No,

607
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: here we go, here we go. During a two thousand

608
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: and one game against Washington, this Cardinals defender secured the

609
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: first of his four career defensive touchdowns.

610
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: I have this one, damn it.

611
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: Nias Williams incorrect.

612
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: At Lasia have the right position. Adrian Wilson correct.

613
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: Sixty one yard pick six off Washington quarterback Tony Bank.

614
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Speaker 2: Two thousand and one as a rookie year.

615
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: It was, Yes, it was his rookie year. Was the

616
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: end of the season because of nine the Cardinals were

617
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: supposed to open in Washington and that got moved to

618
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: the last game of the season. It was pouring rain.

619
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Speaker 3: It was ridiculous. Pat Tillman was freezing cold after that

620
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: game and with blue lips. He just got he was

621
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Speaker 3: so angry that they didn't make a stop at the

622
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Speaker 3: end of the game. But anyways, yeah, it was Adrian.

623
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Speaker 4: Wilson incredible memory.

624
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's let me tell you.

625
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: That was our first football question in what two weeks.

626
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Speaker 2: In comp Okay, what the rams do the forty nine

627
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Speaker 2: ers that come back at the end, That's what I'm

628
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Speaker 2: poised to do. Let's go bring it Okay, it's my question,

629
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Speaker 2: Darren's question.

630
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Speaker 4: That was just a steal.

631
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna find a way.

632
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: Okay, here we got Darren. In the mid nineties, the

633
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: Cardinals and Washington battled in an overtime thriller. That's Arizona

634
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: prevailed by a score of thirty seven to thirty four.

635
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: The Cardinals quarterback in that game set a major franchise

636
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: record that still stands today, named the quarterback and the record, he.

637
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: Said, no, this one Boomers yards passing in a game,

638
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: because he had like five hundred thirty or something.

639
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: You know how I know the answer that one because

640
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: because I was one of the TV guys who ran

641
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: out to the field. This is when they used to

642
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: let you do that and wess those days. And we

643
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: ran out to like the hashmarks to meet him because

644
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: he had just thrown for over five hundred yards and

645
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Boomer being Boomer, said not even a chance, and he

646
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: gave all of us the heisman and he was he

647
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: went straight to the network team. You local guys, Boomer

648
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: no chance, and I got literally got the Boomer Heisman

649
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: right to the face.

650
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Speaker 3: He was. He was kind of like Kurt Shilling before

651
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Kurt Shilling, No comment.

652
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go, Paul. After nine seasons in Arizona,

653
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: this player spent two seasons in Washington and hold in

654
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: a total of one hundred and fifty catches and six touchdowns. Hint,

655
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: I think late nineties.

656
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Wait, I was distracted by the boomer thing. Say

657
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: that I missed the beginning again, we'll edit this later.

658
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: Say it again.

659
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: After nine seasons in Arizona, this spent two seasons in

660
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: Washington and hauled in a total of one hundred and

661
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: fifty catches and six touchdowns.

662
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: Think late nineties, Think late nineties. Okay, let's see here,

663
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: late nineties, nine years with the Cardinals.

664
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: Yes, two seasons in Washington.

665
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I got it, gentlemen.

666
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: One hunter back there, he's I think I.

667
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: Got this the top question, my guy, Frank Sanders incorrect?

668
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Have I I'm like the Cincinnati Bengals of this thing?

669
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Have I gotten one right? Yet?

670
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: No, that was rhetorical.

671
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: I didn't need the buzzer.

672
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: Again, not stolen. The answer is Larry Centers.

673
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: Larry course be best quote ever. Kent Summers was doing

674
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: a story on Larry Center's one time and he was

675
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: asking him something about he He asked Larry about making

676
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl or whatever it was, and he goes,

677
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: you know what, Kent, Larry runs, Larry catches, Larry blocks,

678
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: Larry centers.

679
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: He wanted that to catch on so badly it never did.

680
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: He wanted to be like the next Nike Mantra, like

681
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: he was like envisioning like an MJ commercial, and it

682
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: just never happened, you know, I mean, Frank tried it

683
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: just I don't know, you know, it wasn't bad. I

684
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: don't know who you know. It was a good a

685
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: good hook. It just never got traction. So to like

686
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: someone I know, and why's got trivia?

687
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: There we go, Darren. Yes, this former Cardinals player had

688
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: thirteen touchdowns and one interception against Washington in his career.

689
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: Thirteen touchdowns, one interception.

690
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: Well, come on now, can only be one guy?

691
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: Wait?

692
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. The two acts, the two of the word I

693
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: knew were Darren's questions.

694
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: Let's see the tiebreaker just for fun. Cardinals don't play commanders.

695
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: Off of tiebreaker or winner take all.

696
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: Paul is desperate at this point.

697
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: Is this is poker on a Saturday with your buddies.

698
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: Tie breaker? This is going to be the closest to

699
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: the number wins.

700
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Okay, closest to the pen since the.

701
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: Series began in nineteen thirty two. How many times have

702
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: the Cardinals and Washington met?

703
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: How many times? Oh? Boy?

704
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: Okay, well nineteen thirty two.

705
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, give.

706
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: You guys about five more seconds and you can give

707
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: your answers.

708
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say one hundred and forty.

709
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm going under that price is right, I'll go one twenty.

710
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: Nine one seven. Congratulations pop that, I mean, it works.

711
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: Still going to give Darren the win on this so

712
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: his three and oh this season against.

713
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: You, it's literally a pyrrhic victory since someone didn't even

714
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: count on the scoreboard.

715
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, but you're gonna hang this on the

716
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: frigid home, you know it?

717
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: Right? Okay, all right?

718
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: I love that segment.

719
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So let's see here, the Commanders are staying

720
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: the week in the az Let's go ahead, and is

721
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: that because a lot of guys are hanging out at

722
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: Cliff's place? And I mean you don't have to host everyone,

723
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, if.

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: They could pick a week, Let's be serious, if they

725
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: could pick a week to stay in Arizona, would it

726
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: be this horrifically stupid week where it's going to be

727
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: close to one hundred and ten already. Again, I thought

728
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: we were past this. Paul.

729
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah, I'd love to know what Dan Quinn thinks

730
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: right now about spending this week out here. Now. Ostensibly

731
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: they're going to be in the practice bubble for ASU. Yeah,

732
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: you know, so a the ASU is on a bye week,

733
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: so I guess they won't have that awkward moment when

734
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Jade Daniels comes back to ASU and has to look

735
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: at all the football people or I have that reacquaintance there.

736
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: So but yeah, they're going to stay and and you

737
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: know we were talking about with Rob Frederickson in the

738
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Red Sea Report. I mean, look, the anecdotal evidence does

739
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: not suggest you should change everyone's routine and stay on

740
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: the road for an entire week. We know the return

741
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: on investment has not been good from a first hand

742
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: basis over the years. Darren, There's just something about taking

743
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: football players out of their normal routine, their normal homes

744
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: and training facilities that it can get real dicey as

745
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: what do expect on game day?

746
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: It was it was a little weird to me because

747
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: they're coming from Cincinnati It's not like they played the

748
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: forty nine ers or or the Broncos last week. The

749
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: Cincinnati is not that far of a flight to DC.

750
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: That's why I wonder, I mean, I wonder if Cliff

751
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: convinced him, you know, stay stay out in Arizona for

752
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: the entirety of the week. I don't know.

753
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: I know he's not going to do it, but Danny

754
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: and I were talking before. The commanders would absolutely break

755
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: the internet if they could get Cliff to redo the

756
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: photo from the draft of twenty twenty or twenty twenty one,

757
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: whenever that was, and have him looking at like cardinal

758
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: tape in that picture. Fire.

759
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: Let me tell you Washington, Twitter, Washington social media has

760
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: already had itself quite a start of the week. You see,

761
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: after the win, they tweeted out not bad for a

762
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: college offense, and they had the final score, and then

763
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: there was They also tweeted out the NFL dot com

764
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: graphic of all the alleged media experts picking games ten

765
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: for ten. They all took the Bengals on Monday Night football,

766
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: so they tweeted out that early screen.

767
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: If they include us, it would probably be thirteen for thirteen.

768
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: I'm assuming all three of us took the Bengals in

769
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: that game.

770
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: No comment again. What was interesting though, was they also

771
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: posted a clip on the sideline at Terry McLaurin telling

772
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, if I'm one on one, keep throwing me

773
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: the ball. Period.

774
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: It worked, It worked.

775
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: What didn't work was leu an Arumo and the Bengals

776
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: defense not realizing that the bane of the Cliff Kingsbury

777
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: offense is everybody now, the two high safeties, the shell

778
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: coverage that the Cardinals saw the second half of his

779
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: tenure as the head coach and play caller. Kyler even

780
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: talked about that Cardinals have seen their share of that,

781
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: or Kyler's seen the share of that in his career

782
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: because of that offense. Yet for some reason they weren't

783
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: given any help over the top against Terry mclally, who

784
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: beat him twice on deep balls. Beautifully placed deep balls

785
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: by Jayden Daniels, who set a rookie record, all time

786
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: record would plus ninety percent completion percentage twenty one to

787
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: twenty three. And he's running the ball, I mean taking

788
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: some shotsition of reminiscent of RG three. Know how sustainable

789
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: that is, but you.

790
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: Can bet if he don't ask RG three.

791
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if he's going to run it between

792
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: the tackles, I'm guessing the Cardinals defense like, all right,

793
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: you want to play football, We'll play football.

794
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: I w a time for Washington's offense to kind of

795
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: get roll on. I mean the game prior they beat

796
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: New York off field goals, not a single touchdown, So

797
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 4: don't want to get ahead of the skis and saying that, oh,

798
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 4: this Washington offense is going to be the most prolific.

799
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: They're going to seat in it. Not saying that it's

800
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: not going to be a challenge. But it's still one game, right,

801
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 4: this isn't you're right, but.

802
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: They've gone now two games without a punt or a turnover,

803
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: so less you're not. They're scoring points every time, and

804
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: even if it's a field goal, and when you're not

805
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: turning the ball over, that makes it harder on your

806
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: offense because you're not getting any short fields.

807
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: So I mean, you talk about reality check, right, this

808
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Washington offense they had their way on Monday night obviously

809
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: against Cincinnati. To Darren's point, they want touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,

810
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: fuel goal, touchdown. That is remarkable with a rookie quarterback.

811
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: It is that Pat McAfee busted out the kirk Herbstreet

812
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: audio from the interview before the combine before you guys

813
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: went to the combine, kirk Herbstreet got in his pulpit

814
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: and screamed, Jayden Daniels is the steal of the draft.

815
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: He is the quarterback that should be taken first overall.

816
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: And sure enough, Yeah, they're flexing that now three weeks

817
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: into this season. Don't fans, But come on, I mean,

818
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: he's a rookie quarterback. There has to be and I

819
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: know he's ultra experience between his ASU and LSU days,

820
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: and he's like bow Knicks and he's got like fifty

821
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: five sixty starts in college. It's, you know, big difference

822
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: than like an Anthony Richardson who came out of college

823
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: with like what fourteen career starts. So you see the

824
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: difference in how rookie ready guys like Jane Daniels and

825
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: even bow Knicks in that last game looked really good.

826
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Jaden Daniels needs that. They've

827
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: got to find a way. Just like everybody's always talking

828
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: with Kyler, I feel like the Cardinals need to find

829
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: a way to not only contain him, but they got

830
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: to make sure that they stay disciplined in that contain

831
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: because what I watched against Cincinnati especially was there were

832
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: plays that were breaking down and they they had him,

833
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: but there was enough of a crease and he's got

834
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: enough moves where he's spinning out or deeking enough and

835
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: then he gets down and you know, I don't know

836
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: if it's long term, a long term thing he can

837
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: handle with running this much. But again, the Cardinals don't

838
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: care what Jaden Daniels is doing in five years. They

839
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: care what's happening in this Sunday.

840
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: I could see Buddha, right, buddhas your designated Jayden Daniels

841
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: stopper a key downs you assigned Buddha Baker, who, by

842
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: the way, we're trying to launch an ITAM investigation into.

843
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: I think they're using Buddha Baker like Troy Polamalo more

844
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: than ever is anybody with me on this. I can't

845
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: prove it. Nobody's going to verify as much. Just seems

846
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: like they're letting Buddha play off his instincts in his

847
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: high football intellect in IQ and I just think that

848
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: and everyone else around him they've obviously bolstered the talent.

849
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: There's more of a mastery of the scheme in year two.

850
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: I think it's freed up Buddha more than ever.

851
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: We are seeing Buddha Baker fly around the field more

852
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: than we did last year. That's a combination of this

853
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: staff not just allowing him to do that, and going

854
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: into the second year with this staff, so Baker has

855
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 4: a better understanding of what the foundation is for this defense,

856
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: knowing what the parameters are of what his role is,

857
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 4: and then having that knowledge and allowing that to give

858
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 4: him the freedom to tie in his natural abilities, intelligence

859
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: and how strong he is in those open field tackles.

860
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: And you're seeing that blend of the natural ability and

861
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: those instincts and those tendencies there mesh well with what

862
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: the foundation is of this defense and what's being asked

863
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 4: of him.

864
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: Let's hope that it's that his ankle or whatever he

865
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: hurt in that game is not a thing that would

866
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: slow him down because he has been playing excellent football.

867
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: Yes, but maybe I'm burying the lead. Is it really

868
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: Buddha is the Jane Daniel Stopper as a pseudo spy,

869
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: or is it the knowledge of Cliff Kingsbury's scheme by

870
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: Buddha and Jalen Thompson and Dennis Gardeck and Kyler Murray. Right,

871
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: we have joked on the Coaches Show. Didn't give any

872
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: real response to it, but we tried as to whether

873
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Nick Rowlis was going to take Kyler Murray in for

874
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: a nice two hour coffee break and just sort of

875
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: download anything and everything he can from Kyler Murray. About

876
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: that Cliff Kingsbury scheme, you got to.

877
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: Right, well, I have no doubt that that. I don't

878
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: know to be over coffee or express or whatever, but.

879
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Espresso shots in the coach's office.

880
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: That's a good one. But I don't I don't know

881
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: how much of it will end up translating, and we

882
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: will see what happens. But I have no doubt that

883
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: that conversation is going to happen, because you'd be stupid

884
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: not to.

885
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: So when in doubt, I just wonder if the cardinal's

886
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: able to sniff out certain plays or on the other hand,

887
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Cliff has had the entire offseason and this game is

888
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: early enough in the season. How much is he going

889
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: to break out that he hasn't shown yet?

890
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: Yes, and no, Cliff Kingsbury is still Cliff Kingsbury to

891
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: his core. I don't think his foundation of what he

892
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 4: likes to run and use is really going to change

893
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 4: over what we've seen over the years, not just during

894
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: his tenure here with the Cardinals. So yes, you can

895
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: probably expect a few tricks up his sleeve that he's

896
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 4: probably been saving for this game Week four. You've still

897
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: got a good idea of what Kingsbury's offense is going

898
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: to look like.

899
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say real quick, you know, we've

900
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: been talking about Trey McBride being in concussion protocol and

901
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: hopefully they're not missing him. The almost said the wrong nickname.

902
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: The Commanders. They have Austin Eckler in concussion protocol and

903
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: he didn't apparently make the flight out here immediately, so

904
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: we'll see what that means. Because he played really well

905
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: last night before he got hurt.

906
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: He did. They do have a one two punch at

907
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: running back and they run the ball real well. Although

908
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: to your point, Danny, you know, going into Money Night Football,

909
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: I saw a stat where the Commanders led the league

910
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: in passes completed behind the line of scrimmage, and it

911
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: was part of the reason why Cam Taylor Britt. The

912
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: Bengals dB called it quote a nice college offense before

913
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: the game, and that's why Washington tweeted it out because

914
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: he took a shot at the scheme. And then after

915
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: the game, Zach Taylor was asked about it, and Zach Taylor,

916
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: you can officially put Cam Taylor Britt into the Bengals

917
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: head coaches doghouse quote. That's not what we do. He

918
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: said it again. We praise our team, we praise the

919
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: other team. We don't need to take shots like that.

920
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: That team hasn't punted in two weeks. They've scored in

921
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: every single possession in the last two weeks. I've known

922
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: Cliff a long time. I knew with that quarterback, they're

923
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: going to be very dangerous, and they prove that. So

924
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: there was little extra motivation there for Washington plane for

925
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator in that. But there's no doubt as

926
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: much as Cliff might have wanted that game and that

927
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: thirty eight point total up there, because of what was said,

928
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna want this game exponentially more, is he not?

929
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: Come on now, He's never going to say anything unless

930
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: unless you want to go to his media availability this week.

931
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: Paul and ask.

932
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: Him over to Tempee over.

933
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: It's got to be somewhere in Tempe, right, I don't know.

934
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: Does he meet the media every week? Now? Does it? Doesn't?

935
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: Coordinators have to they have to.

936
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even know that. Well okay, all right, interesting,

937
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 2: all right, that's good. Okay, we'll just.

938
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: Go over there in mass and wave to him.

939
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how to run a camera, so Matthew,

940
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: you're up. You're up.

941
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: You can go over, Matthew. He's lying. He's been in

942
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: this business for forever. He absolutely could do that one

943
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: man band stuff.

944
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: All right, what else do we need to cover around here?

945
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: As I look at the notice.

946
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 3: The picks weird?

947
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: We were again? You sure we have time.

948
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: It's such a great start, and I've already come back

949
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: to the pack hall with it.

950
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: Sure, I was like four games behind, and I beat

951
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: both of you this week, and now we are in

952
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: a three way tie.

953
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: Twenty four and twenty one. That's just vomit inducing.

954
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm on the up and up.

955
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: Wait, we're all tied at twenty four and twenty one.

956
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: It's right here, Paul, Oh, I see okay, okay, And.

957
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: He's all hot that she tied us this week, except

958
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: she was seven and eight.

959
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: Did we just talk about my comeback?

960
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: See?

961
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: I never got past the fact that was five and

962
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: ten last week. So that's that's abysmal. Okay. I feel

963
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: like the Bengals defense and Alignment has scored on.

964
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: Me to again reality check.

965
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, speaking of.

966
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: Reality check, Brad Gas had a serious reality check our friend,

967
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: our friend the shooter at Channel ten.

968
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm on the sideline, the scores on the

969
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: other sideline, and the dB goes in like a bowling ball.

970
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: This is on Marvin Harrison's touchdown.

971
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: Yes, the first one, and and the Lions dB twenty

972
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: three goes in like a bowling ball into pins and

973
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man hashtag ouch on that one. I

974
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: hope everyone's all right. Well it turns out not exactly

975
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: Brad Gas.

976
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what he exactly, Like heard his

977
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: hamstring badly, like not like pulled it because he was running,

978
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: but like whatever happens with and I don't even know

979
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: what happened to the I believe it was a gentleman.

980
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: But there was another camera.

981
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: I think it was with NFL Films.

982
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like on the ground, like Brad was

983
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: standing out.

984
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 4: It looked like the Lions player essentially kind of clipped

985
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 4: him with his cleats. Maybe the two of them, but

986
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 4: I will say Richard Sands with Channel ten was with

987
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: Brad and was showing posted a video on Twitter, and

988
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: Brad was in good spirits and showed on the camera

989
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: that Brad still got the shot, which is incredibly impressive.

990
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: You you've only finished the game.

991
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: He shot the rest. I mean, you know, even though

992
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: his name is now Brad gash Oh, because of what

993
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: happened to his face, you know, but no, he rubbed

994
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: some dirt.

995
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: If I think we've talked about this before, but have

996
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: you been hit once?

997
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: And it was last year and del Moore, thank goodness

998
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: he had sports car breaking because he did stop in time.

999
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: But I committed the cardinal sin to the sideline. I

1000
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: left myself with nowhere to go because I had the

1001
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: kicking net right behind me. So as soon as the

1002
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: play happened and it was a quick wide receiver screen

1003
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: to the flat and I knew it was coming our way,

1004
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: I started yelling at the docks. I'm like kid, Doc

1005
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Cole on Doc Nebel second, I'm guys, come on now,

1006
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: we need some more better lateral movement and then it

1007
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: was too late, boom right into me.

1008
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: I remember seeing that from the press box and I

1009
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: sit next to Kraig Greel and I looked a him

1010
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: and I said, I think Paul just got hit. We

1011
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: looked back on the replay and it was with Rondo Moore.

1012
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: If it was Will Hernandez, I'd still be in traction.

1013
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: I would have been smash caked against the kicking net.

1014
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: Well, we wouldn't have cared because we'd be talking about

1015
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: why they throw a quick screen to Will Hernandez, just saying.

1016
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: Well, I've said this before, Deuce Latouy former guard. It

1017
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: was even heavier, yes, by about fifty pounds then Will

1018
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Hernandez three eighty something and uh Deuce used to say, yeah,

1019
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: I use guys like you CALVC to break my fall

1020
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: when I come barreling into the sideline. So that was.

1021
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: Someday we'll have Wolf tell his story about trying to

1022
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 3: block refrigerator parry.

1023
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, So okay, what else? Any other

1024
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: particulars about Cardinals commanders on Sunday? Are you coming to

1025
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: within a fancy nickname the Cliff and Kyler Bowl, anything

1026
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: like that.

1027
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: You know, it's too early in the week.

1028
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: Pad you sure about that? Yeah?

1029
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: I mean, why do you have something you would like to.

1030
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: I throw that out there? You know exactly, uh, you know,

1031
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: going with around here? So okay, I mean I do.

1032
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: I do think it's going to be fascinating to see.

1033
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if because Cliff coaches from the sideline, so

1034
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: he'll be down there post game.

1035
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, yeah, we'll see that. Is that does a

1036
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: walk off? So Danny want you to take your mic

1037
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: and drop it because that's that's it for Cardinals Underground.

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