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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: one nine of a Hunting Collective. I've been and Brian.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Phil, the engineer. Phil. Then, how's it going, buddy,

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Speaker 1: It's going all right. Well, I'm excited today. Today is

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Speaker 1: a good podcast. We've got some of my favorite people on, UM,

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Speaker 1: some of the most inspiring people that I know on

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Speaker 1: You know, we are very well Phil and are very

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Speaker 1: well aware of the unrest going on in the world,

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Speaker 1: and we'll hope to address some of those things today.

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Speaker 1: But one of the big updates we gotta give is

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Speaker 1: Phil and I are allowed to be in the same

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Speaker 1: room once again. Yes, I think, uh, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they want us to be in the same room. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we Phil had to be fight. We didn't give

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Speaker 1: them a choice. Phil had to fight to get in

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Speaker 1: the same room. And that's how much he missed me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: something like that. Um. I'm back in the office for

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Speaker 1: much full time, and but Phil is being kept away.

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Speaker 1: That's that's true. We'll have to talk to HR about that.

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Speaker 1: But I fully support you coming back to work, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Are you like most people in our company,

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Speaker 1: I think most companies and most people have kids the

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Speaker 1: to work, really are valuing that office time, feeling that there,

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Speaker 1: Phil Man, Like a month ago, I just noticed my

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Speaker 1: a bad person? Am I a bad father? No? No,

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Speaker 1: you're not. Maybe like we'll have to bring in mango

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Speaker 1: only natural. It's only natural. Feel guilty about those feelings

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Speaker 1: as well. So it's just everybody's going through them, especially

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Speaker 1: Last week we didn't know what to do. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: forgot how to interact. Yeah, physically, I don't know look

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Speaker 1: You've been working out during quarantine, you know. I did

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Speaker 1: and then I stopped. Oh well, that's a good tradition,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful tradition. I've started recently. I will admit this.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's great, dude. It's just the hips, like my hips.

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Speaker 1: th HD, at the mediator dot com or at Benny

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Speaker 1: Oh b three oh one about my beginning yoga. I'm

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Speaker 1: give my good friend and everyone's good friend Charles Rodney

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Speaker 1: a call and talked to him about the goings on,

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Speaker 1: have listened this podcast. No Charles the rabbit Van Rodney

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Speaker 1: former United States Army ranger, and then his good buddy

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Speaker 1: among other things. That conversation particularly, uh, it was interesting

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Speaker 1: So the first one, have you heard about how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do Elmer Fudd without a gun. Phil, Uh No,

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Speaker 1: what's he gonna have? Uh, well, he's gonna have a scythe.

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Speaker 1: guessing a hundred other people will have already have sent this.

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Speaker 1: HBO Max. The iconic character will no longer use a gun.

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Speaker 1: just idiotic, and this is this is one of them

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Speaker 1: next email comes from Cory. What what's wrong with these

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Speaker 1: I was on a bike packing trip and I don't

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Speaker 1: Were you packing the bike around? Well? I think it's

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Speaker 1: I'm doing finding yourself. I'm doing good. I'm here with

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Speaker 1: our engineer Phil Say Hey Phil, Hey, Charles, how are you?

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Speaker 1: And Phil? How are you doing? Great? Thank you? Well,

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Speaker 1: we were just we were just moving through, Charles. I know,

427
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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about um everything prior, but

428
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Speaker 1: we were just moving through some of the race and

429
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Speaker 1: the outdoors and some politics things, some some more uncomfortable conversation. UM,

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Speaker 1: and and I wanted to chat with you really quick

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Speaker 1: about your story. Um. Listeners of the show will know

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Speaker 1: you as the Rabbit Man the Church of Rabbit Hunting,

433
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Speaker 1: which we love so much. But you you wrote to

434
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Speaker 1: a piece that will that is going to be on

435
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Speaker 1: the mediator to come really soon about your about your

436
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Speaker 1: story right about where you came from and how you

437
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Speaker 1: spent your life and and some of the things that

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Speaker 1: you experienced in the segregation is South the Peace I

439
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Speaker 1: sent you a few days ago. Yes, sir, that's the one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all right. You want to kind of take us through.

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Speaker 1: You know, listeners that listening to episode thirty will know

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Speaker 1: your upbringing. But can you kind of just take us

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Speaker 1: through how you grew up in Louisiana? Okay? Born and

444
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Speaker 1: raised in Louisiana, a little town called New Roads Point

445
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Speaker 1: to p Parish. Louisiana has parishes rather than counties, to

446
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Speaker 1: the only state about thirty miles west of Baton Rouge. Um.

447
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Speaker 1: Growing up, we were sharecroppers or tenant farmers. And what

448
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Speaker 1: does that mean? You live on somebody who owns the

449
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Speaker 1: land you farm it. We farm cotton, sugarcane as crops

450
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Speaker 1: to pay the bills and take care of us, and

451
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Speaker 1: he we got three fourths of it and he got

452
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Speaker 1: a fourth of it. You didn't pay rent, but you

453
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Speaker 1: had to buy the seeds. You had to have your

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Speaker 1: own track, the own equipment. You're own labor, and in

455
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Speaker 1: most cases the labor, a lot of the labor came

456
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Speaker 1: from the the children was one of seven. I'm the

457
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Speaker 1: last of seven, so we had to work in the fields.

458
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Speaker 1: Um cotton is planted in the springtime, like April, so

459
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Speaker 1: we missed a bit of school to to get the

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Speaker 1: cotton going. Once they started growing, something they call hawayen

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Speaker 1: cotton or scraping cotton, you have a hole and you're

462
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Speaker 1: working out in these fields, straight roads, lots of them,

463
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Speaker 1: acres of them probably, and then in the fall August September,

464
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Speaker 1: you picked them and we picked them by hands, which

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Speaker 1: was like slave labor. But we're working for ourselves, so

466
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Speaker 1: so the the living it was survival. It was meager,

467
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Speaker 1: a survival. We we made enough to carry us through.

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Speaker 1: And then there was sugarcane. Sugarcane or planted in the

469
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Speaker 1: fall like August September, and then they grow and you

470
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Speaker 1: harvest them that group the following year, like September two November.

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Speaker 1: They usually finished by December. There were cotton meals that

472
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Speaker 1: billa cotton. You took it there. Uh, there's a certain

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Speaker 1: measurement that became a bell. And then the sugar kinge

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Speaker 1: was taken to the sugar meal uh by truck. Um

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Speaker 1: they picked it up and they took it by truck

476
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Speaker 1: and they granted and then became sugar. Uh. It was

477
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Speaker 1: brown sugar, and it took it to another meal and

478
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Speaker 1: granulated and made it white sugar. So we got to

479
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Speaker 1: work in in the fields. Uh. Not pleasant, but we

480
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Speaker 1: had to do it. We missed school when you were

481
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Speaker 1: of age, and so did many other people uh who

482
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Speaker 1: along with us, their children miss school and worked in

483
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Speaker 1: the field. They worked in the field for somebody else.

484
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Speaker 1: Then we went to school. We went to Catholic school,

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Speaker 1: Catholic elementary. My older brothers and sisters, who the oldest

486
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Speaker 1: is twelve years older than me. He went to a

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Speaker 1: number of schools that was in small Baptist churches along

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Speaker 1: the road. We were five miles from town. So later on, Uh,

489
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Speaker 1: the Josephite priests and the sisters of the Holy Ghost

490
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Speaker 1: who taught us, established a Catholic elementary school for us

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Speaker 1: for the black children, and then we went on to

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Speaker 1: high school. Now, even though we missed school, our mother

493
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Speaker 1: taught us a lot. We caught up our lessons. We

494
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Speaker 1: none had to repeat a grade. So I went on

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Speaker 1: to college. My older brother is a Catholic priests. Um.

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Speaker 1: He's retired fifty two years and the three in between. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Two sisters, one sis to finish college with advanced degree,

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Speaker 1: and the two brothers UH the machinist type work welding,

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Speaker 1: one work in a in a machine shop for Rockwell

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Speaker 1: in California McDonald Douglas. I mean, so we we and

501
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Speaker 1: then we grew everything. We grew. We had We had pigs,

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Speaker 1: we had cows, a few two or three cows. We

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Speaker 1: got milk, um, we had gardens, we had fruit trees.

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Speaker 1: So we can't everything. So all of that put us

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Speaker 1: over through the next year. And we got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of money from our parents, but most of it

507
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Speaker 1: was spent. We had to pay tuition, which was low. Um,

508
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Speaker 1: can you believe it? The tuition at the Catholic school

509
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Speaker 1: was two dollars a month. Then being the last I

510
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Speaker 1: paid three dollars a month. Okay, uh now putting my kids.

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Speaker 1: When my kids went to school, I mean it's like

512
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Speaker 1: college because they went to Catholic Elementary in Catholic High

513
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Speaker 1: So we had a lot of tuition bills. But we survived.

514
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Speaker 1: So we went on. In the schools. Everything was separate.

515
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Speaker 1: The school system was separate, the churches were separate. The

516
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Speaker 1: doctor's office had the signs up where the color go

517
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Speaker 1: on that side. Very vaguely remember the water fountains, but

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Speaker 1: they were there. They were not in our little area,

519
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: but they were in other little towns. There were stores

520
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: where you had to go through the side door, and

521
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: even though the people knew you, you always called boy okay,

522
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Speaker 1: no matter how old I was. Young. I lived there

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Speaker 1: from burt in nineteen fifty February nineteen fifty until I

524
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Speaker 1: left there in the summer of seventy two as I

525
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Speaker 1: graduated from college and I moved to Maryland and the

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Speaker 1: Washington d C. To work. I did not want to

527
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Speaker 1: stay there. There was nothing driving me to stay there.

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Speaker 1: My family were not property owners, they were not business owners,

529
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Speaker 1: so there was nothing there for me to inherit from

530
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Speaker 1: the family and said, well, I got to carry on

531
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Speaker 1: the family business. No, no, no, it didn't exist that way. Uh.

532
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I want to get the hell out of town, okay,

533
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and I did. But everything was separate. Even though the

534
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Speaker 1: laws changed Brown versus the Board of Education in the fifties,

535
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Speaker 1: it was eleven years before the high schools UH desegregated.

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Speaker 1: The people fought it, and they fought it and they

537
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Speaker 1: fought it, and the government had to do like many

538
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Speaker 1: other places, UH send federal troops in and then once

539
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Speaker 1: they sent them in, then right after that day closed

540
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Speaker 1: the school. They didn't they didn't close them, but all

541
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Speaker 1: the white kids went to academies. Some rich person gave

542
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: up some lamb and they started academies, and of course

543
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Speaker 1: we couldn't go there. Now I believe one of them

544
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: still exists and it has turned into a high school,

545
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: so I think there may be one or two people

546
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: sending their children there. But when we grew up, there

547
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: was one high school the blacks and the whole parish.

548
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Then there was two, while the white children had five schools.

549
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: And we passed them, and we passed the church. The

550
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: Catholic Church were Catholic, and we passed the Catholic Church.

551
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: We passed one high school. Some kids passed two. So

552
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: it's very heartbreaking. You're passing the school and you're going

553
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: way over to another school, which means that you have

554
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Speaker 1: to get up earlier. And the lessons were inferior. The

555
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: books were inferior, and we used the books that were

556
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Speaker 1: hand me down because you could see the names. I

557
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: recognized the names of Maneta white kids that grew up

558
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: along the road along we mean, so you got to

559
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Speaker 1: hand me down books and so forth. And in sixty

560
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: seven when they forced that integration and they started closing

561
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: the kids, the white kids went to that academy and

562
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: other cadeories. Many of them were established, but only one

563
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: or two succeeded because they had a lot of money

564
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Speaker 1: behind them. Okay, and then people move and would move

565
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Speaker 1: their children, some of them to Baton routes to go

566
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Speaker 1: to school so they wouldn't have to mingle. But these

567
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Speaker 1: are the very same people actually interacted with every day.

568
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Speaker 1: And when you go to the store, I remember this,

569
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Speaker 1: it's going to some of the little country store, because

570
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: this little country store is every mile or so. None

571
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: of them exist today. But when you would go, the

572
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Speaker 1: people that were on the store is never wanted to

573
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Speaker 1: give you change in your hands. They put it on.

574
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Speaker 1: You would put the money down. They wouldn't take it

575
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Speaker 1: from you in your hand. You put the money down

576
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: on the counter, and you put the money down on

577
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: the counto when he gave me a change, not so

578
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: you would touch. I thought I had corona or something.

579
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Speaker 1: Way back then, do you talked about in the in

580
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Speaker 1: the story that you wrote about the local swimming pool

581
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: and um playing basketball with with white neighbors, basketball baseball

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: with white neighbors, that you were allowed. They were allowed

583
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: to come in your yard, but you can never go

584
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: in there. So you talk a little bit about some

585
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: of those examples. I mean, you have a lot of

586
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Speaker 1: Let me, I'll tell you about the swimming pool, because

587
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: that's the briefing. And and I'm long when it, so

588
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: do cut me off. I know, we keep on going.

589
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: The swimming pool, Okay, Bill, today, I very I can

590
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: swim very little, which I learned later. But there was

591
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: a swimming pool. And when when when the integration stuff

592
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: started coming, they closed the pool. All of a sudden,

593
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: the pool got closed because they didn't want us to mingle.

594
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Mainly mainly it was it was it was it was

595
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: a racial and sexual thing. They wanted them black boys

596
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: and everything white girls. Okay, so the pool closed. I

597
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: don't think it ever open again. Now about playing with

598
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: the with the young white guys that lived around us, Yeah,

599
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: we played ball with them. Uh My cousin next door

600
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 1: had an old basketball backboard that we rigged up and

601
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: we played. We played ball on the dirt, and a

602
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: couple of guys came over and played ball, and then

603
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: we played baseball because we had a big yard and

604
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: we played baseball and we would play with them. But

605
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and they were invited to come over and sit, but

606
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: we were never invited to go in their yards. Okay,

607
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: and that never that never happened. And we lived next

608
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: door to three doors and in the in the house

609
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: next door us to three different families. White families lived

610
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: in us. One lived there for ex period of time

611
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and they moving, and another wife family moved and we

612
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: got to norm and support and they were all around

613
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: the same age or my older brother's age. So we

614
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: were not allowed to mingle. And one thing you were

615
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: not allowed to mingle. And as I mentioned, Mama taught

616
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: us there were certain people you can associate with, the

617
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: certain places you could go. There's a lot of places

618
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't go. So you never associated with some of

619
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: these guys because they had sisters. I'm taking you back,

620
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: and this is true. And the last thing you wanted

621
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: to have said was as we said, and I don't

622
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: mean any of this harm um that if you went

623
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: in the yard a little white girl look at you

624
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: and said something, somebody was there, a bunch of people

625
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: could be there to beat you up, kill you. That's

626
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: how a lot of people got killed because somebody said

627
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: something that was not true, or he looked at me,

628
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: oh he touched me, that kind of stuff. So we

629
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: were protective of that. We were never allowed. If there

630
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: were girls around, we would never allowed. It was always boys,

631
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: two boys. Uh. My older brother Francis that I spoke

632
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: about that taught me about hunting. There was a fellow

633
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: lived two doors from us. They both loved to hunt.

634
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: They were the same age. They loved to hunt and

635
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: they would go hang together. But then one time his

636
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: sister wanted to go with it. So Mama stopped my

637
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: brother from going in because the last thing she wanted

638
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Speaker 1: to say. They out there in the field in the

639
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: woods hunting squirrels and stuff. Something be said and then

640
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: now you've got all sorts of negative things happened so

641
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: that that didn't exist. Okay, that's how that was. We

642
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: were taught and the east you handle it and you

643
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: moved on. Now today I mentioned that I see some

644
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: of those guys now they're still around. And then this

645
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: is nice, nice as you want to be. All that

646
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: was passed, that was fifty years ago all better. My brother,

647
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, did the funeral, being a Catholic priests

648
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: and they're Catholic too. He did the funeral for one

649
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: of the sets of people mother who's way up in aage.

650
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: My brother's eighty two non so this lady had to

651
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: be in her nineties and they called him to do

652
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: the funeral because he grew up around him. He knew them,

653
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: they knew him, and he called me and he named

654
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: all of these guys what's his name, twenty guys that

655
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: lived up and down the road that are still around

656
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: because this lady was some of their aunts. You know

657
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: that the the it was this guy's mother, and then

658
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: she was the aunt of three for the other guys

659
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and the cousins, and so what's all in guys are saying,

660
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: and they welcome him with open arms, but just to

661
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: ask him to come and do huffy because he knew

662
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: him and they knew him, and it was being very respectful.

663
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: He said, it was very very respectful because he could

664
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: take it back and he could talk about things that

665
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: went on back then. Plus he speaks fluent Creole, so

666
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: he could do the homily or a sermon in English

667
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: o Creole and they love it when it comes in

668
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: and do that. Yeah. No, I think it's throughout, you know,

669
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: throughout your story, there's all these juxtapositions, and that's part

670
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: of the article that you that you wrote and will

671
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: that will post um. And you spent twenty five years

672
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: with various feral agencies working in human resources, staffing, position management, recruitment, counseling,

673
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: employee training, and then all of that time you required

674
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: to adjudicate complaints because of of acts of discrimination race, age, color, religion,

675
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: national origin, mental and physical handicapped. So you had quite

676
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: the turn in your life and you talk about that

677
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: in this piece, and you also talk about, you know,

678
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: answer this question. I'd love for you to talk a

679
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: little bit about that and then then answer this question.

680
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: You said, how did I survive the cultural transition from

681
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: a segregated upbringing to a totally diverse environment. I think

682
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: that's a huge and very important question. Well, I'll tell

683
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: you what. My my editor, when she was editing, she said,

684
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I told her I gave a free hand. So she

685
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: added that piece, that's your that's your wife, Judy, by

686
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: the way, your editor, my wife, Judy. She's my editor

687
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: and my my critic. And she'll she'll guide me and

688
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: tell me. And she told me this morning, not being apostle,

689
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: don't be mean, I said, I'm not mean. I don't

690
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: have anything to be mean about what happened. Happened, But

691
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: making from that transition is so ironic that I lived

692
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: in a society that passed me over, discriminate, needed against me,

693
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: treated me indifferently, not because like Martin was the king,

694
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: because of my my content, but color and what had

695
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: gone on centuries before. And then I come to Washington,

696
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: d C. For a job, and I get a job.

697
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: I started a job with with the Naval Ordnance Station,

698
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: a little place called Indian Head, Maryland. Worked there a

699
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: few years. I was probably first or second black, but

700
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: the first black specialist, which is kind of like a

701
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: professional position there. I worked there and I got I

702
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: got tried a number of times there was some nice

703
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: people and then there was one or two. There's always

704
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: one in the group that's gotta be totally indifferent. But

705
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: I progressed on because I had a family coming and

706
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: I knew I had to be successful and nobody was

707
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: gonna take that away from me and turned me around

708
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: and I worked. I went to a number of agencies,

709
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: getting advancement all the time, becoming a supervisor, becoming a manager,

710
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: managing people. So not only in the people were one

711
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: time I had one time I had seven females working

712
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: for him for me, and I used to call them

713
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: Charlie's angels. I was Charlie and they were the angels

714
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: from the old show book, and they were they were mixed.

715
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: All of the people that I supervised were always mixed

716
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: because you have to ensure that you had a diverse

717
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: staff because the law said you gotta you gotta have

718
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: that diversity and you gotta have a balance. And we

719
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: always had a balance before in personnel. And then I

720
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: was selected to work as the equal Opportunity officer as

721
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I am today, I get involved with all sorts of activities.

722
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: One way, that's how I met you, Ben, and so

723
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: I would get involved in the work of the of

724
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: the agency, and they saw me as someone that will

725
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: be good in that position. For those who don't understand

726
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: that equal opportunity you you you have, you have these

727
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: programs that you provide service to the employees. You deal

728
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: with complaints, alleged complaints, UM, your counsel. You had a

729
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: team of voluntary people who worked as Equal Employment Opportunity councils.

730
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: They worked with me. I had specialists. I had to

731
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: meet with managers and directors and so forth UH to

732
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: guide them and to work through this process. And I

733
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: had to be neutral and ensure that everybody got fair treatment.

734
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: And the guidance and the direction I gave it had

735
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: to be fair and clear. I could not take size

736
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: for management. I could not take size to employees, even

737
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: though so people felt I should have taken sides. Though

738
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: there were some UH people I assisted, I should have

739
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: shoved them by the wayside. So I ran it. How

740
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: I felt, and how I felt was that I need

741
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: to be open, I need to talk to everybody. I

742
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: need to treat people fair and ensure fairness, and I

743
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: need to treat everybody in the fashion that I want

744
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: to be treated. Now, I followed the rules there's certain

745
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: in all offices, there's certain certain steps and so forth

746
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: that you must go through, the same as you guys.

747
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: You've got certain certain rules and certain timeframes and certain

748
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: things you do and you don't do the same thing

749
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: exists today. And I did that. I got a lot

750
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: of I got a lot of credit for it. Um

751
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: people felt they could be would I was trustworthy and

752
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: you had the main confidence overall. I knew of things,

753
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: and I would work to settle it. And when I

754
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: would bring it up, I brought it up in utmost confidents.

755
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I think I probably turned some of the high ups

756
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: off because there were some people that came to me.

757
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: It said, some high executives that sexually arrested him and

758
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: back at that time, I told him how we would

759
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: handle it, and how how to handle it and so

760
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: for it. And they refused to do anything, and they

761
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: didn't hoping that it would go away. Well, it didn't

762
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: go away because it's harm. Whether they believed they believed

763
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: it was alleged. So whether they believed they were right

764
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: or wrong, they believed they were right. And I told

765
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: him how you handle it. So I ran the program

766
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: in the best possible fashion that I could do and

767
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: people liked it. I was verity. They trusted me, and

768
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I would sit folks down there no matter who came

769
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: into the office, male, female, handicapped, whatever, I listened, I

770
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: closed the door. My staff. If it was one of

771
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: them had a small staff, they closed the door and

772
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: we we talked, and they stayed there and we helped

773
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: guide them properly through the process. If they didn't have

774
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: a complaint and they were just making waves and there

775
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: were a bunch of people I got, I told him, Yeah,

776
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of a lot of

777
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: your story, um, and why I wanted people to hear

778
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: you talk today, and then why I wanted people to

779
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: read your story as well goes to how you were

780
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: treated when you were a young kid coming up and

781
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: then how you carry it onto the rest of your life.

782
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, part of what I admired, what

783
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: I think hopefully everybody listens to this admires, is that

784
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: you were able to raise a family, have a loving children,

785
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: loving wife, very productive, passionate about rabbit hunting, passionate about

786
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: raising dogs, have a professional career that that wasn't colored

787
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: by your your upbringing wasn't colored by the segregation that

788
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: you um lived with growing up, and so it's it's

789
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing short of inspirational to me just to hear it,

790
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope it will be to everybody

791
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: as well. And you can read Charles article coming up

792
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: here very soon on the mediator dot com to check

793
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: that out, check out our newsletter for that. And you know,

794
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: being like I told you, I told you, if you

795
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: have if you have questions, UM or if you if

796
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: you at some point down the road you need a

797
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: part two or part three, I'm I'm willing. UM, I've

798
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: got I've got plenty of time, I've got a good memory.

799
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: And like I told you, if you have some questions

800
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: that you would like me to respond, I'd be more

801
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: than glad to respond. And growing like I said, growing

802
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: up was hard. We got along. We had loving parents.

803
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Our parents taught us respect of everybody. And I mentioned

804
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: how my mother taught everybody Catechism religion training and she

805
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: never was paid a dime because she could read very

806
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: well at that time. She went to eleven grade, which

807
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: was the equivalent of twelfth grade, but she was an

808
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: outstanding student. Because of money, she did not go to college.

809
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: She could not go to coll College. But she had

810
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: all of them making stare and she taught everybody, and

811
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: she read for folks. She read letters, She wrote letters,

812
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: She did taxes for some of the guys which uh

813
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: in the in the neighborhood. All of that. And then

814
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: my dad, my dad could not read. Okay, he could

815
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: write his name, but he could not read. He was

816
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: born in nineteen hundred. She was born in nineteen ten.

817
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: It was ten years different in them. But they had

818
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: their respect. He gave everybody out of his garden chicken

819
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: and so forth, um and eggs and whatever he had

820
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: he shared and shared himself. And he was both of

821
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: them are full of kindness. And they made us pick

822
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: this stuff and take it to these people and give

823
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: it to these people. And we want why are we

824
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: growing all this stuff? And grow this stuff? And we

825
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: can what what we couldn't use when we finished you

826
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: we gave a week. Today I find myself doing the

827
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, I was gonna say, you do it.

828
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: You do that now. You're so generous for the people

829
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: around you. The church, you have a I don't even

830
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: say you have a group of church ladies there and

831
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: and that that love you for your baking and for

832
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: your rabbits, and for your vegetables. Yeah, and and the

833
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: and the sisters in the convent. Um, I don't know

834
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: who adopted who the they adopt me or I adopt them.

835
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: I give them fish. Guys give me fish. I don't fish.

836
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: They give me fish. I give it to them. My

837
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: wife don't like bone fish. I'll give them the bone fish.

838
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: One or the fellows um gives me a box of

839
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: dear me. I give it to them, and they love it.

840
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: I give them a cook rabbits and go over there

841
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: and eat with them and tell them, and I tell

842
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: them stories. Of course they love. They love to hear

843
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: the stories. And I stretch it a little bit just

844
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: for them. So uh. And I give them vegetables and

845
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: and give service. So you give it all back. Whatever

846
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: you give, folks, it come back to you good stuff.

847
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking about bad some bad treating people or anything

848
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: like that. You do good things regardless, it comes back. Now.

849
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: The sisters in the convent, they're from all over the world. Um.

850
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: They there's ten or twelve of them there, and they're

851
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: from about ten different countries of various backgrounds. Okay, and

852
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: they are called for anybody who wants to check them out.

853
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: They are called the Servants of the Lord and the

854
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: Virgin of Matara. Matara is a Spanish word. They've only

855
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: been around thirty years, but they're the fastest growing group

856
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: of sisters. They do charity work during about thirty five countries.

857
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: They're just so. If you ever see some nuns walking

858
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: around with a kind of a light blue and a

859
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: gray habit, that's them. Yeah, and the all of them

860
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: in the city know me, of course. They everybody knows

861
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: you in your suits and your hunting stories. Charles Rodney, Well, listen, man,

862
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day and we'll have

863
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: you back home to keep talking about this. But like

864
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: I said, I can't. I couldn't thank you enough for

865
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: being willing to share your story and being so open

866
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: with it. Um. I know a lot of people are

867
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: inspired by it and and are listening to you and

868
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: and and learning from how you look at the world. Well,

869
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: let me say two quick things I feel when I

870
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: when I read all of the folks comments, and I

871
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: read them, I read them all, okay, and I love them. Uh.

872
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: And all of you are so positive, even those who

873
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: come from New Zealand in England and all over the

874
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: country and places I don't know. Uh, I read them,

875
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I enjoy them. I think I feel like I'm the

876
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: professor and you guys are the students. And that's all right.

877
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: When I'm in a position where I'm a student with

878
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: somebody that's a professor, I listened and one closing things

879
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: all what happened, even though it happened. That's the way

880
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: the cards were dealt based upon my lifetime and what

881
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I had to do. I had to play those cards

882
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: and make them work and make them work successful for me.

883
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: And I am not better. Some people might say, well,

884
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: you ought to be better. Well, I'm not gonna carry

885
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: bitter this for for my lifetime for fifty something that

886
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: happened fifty or sixty years ago. I am not better. Uh.

887
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Jesus taught us to love, and that's what it is.

888
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: And as our pastor said in a sermon, we watched

889
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: him on TV. The others did the mass on TV

890
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: since we can't go to church. He said, the guy

891
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: who died is our brother. God is our father, whether

892
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: you believe or not, and he's our brother Floyd. So

893
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: you look at it that way and you think positive

894
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: and you try to do good, and life goes on

895
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: and life goes well, and life has treated me awfully

896
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: down good, yes, sir. And yet like like you said,

897
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: what you've given people has come back to you because

898
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: when I spend time around your wife, Judy and your

899
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: stories about your children, UM, you guys have a wonderful family,

900
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: there's lots of love there. You've done things, UM for

901
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: the next generation that you never had, and they're even

902
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: your grandkids will even experience more of what your positive

903
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: outlook will give them. Thank you the type of life

904
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: and I thank you. I thank you guys for for

905
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: inviting me, um, for this, this voice, and for the

906
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: document that I submitted to you. I thank you for

907
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: for asking me and considering because I do feel that's

908
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a special treat and I share it with people,

909
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: and our children cannot wait to hear in many other people.

910
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: So I think, I thank you, and I think the

911
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: whole media to cooperation family, uh, for all that you

912
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: have done and exposed me to well, truly it is

913
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: it is our pleasure. I was talking to our mutual

914
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: friend Phil Whoon the other day and we started putting

915
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: dates on the calendar for next year's Rabbit hunt so um,

916
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: after all this is died down and we're we're back

917
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: to doing what we love to do and speaking about that.

918
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: I know we'll probably both be happy men. But for now,

919
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, Charles, and we will talk to

920
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: your real soon, my friend. Good. Well, look, thank you

921
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: very much again. Okay, thank you Charles. We'll talk really soon. Brother.

922
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. All right, you're welcome. See all right,

923
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: by great Charles Rodney going away there via skype. Um Man,

924
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I knew, I knew, I wanted. We

925
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: should have gave Charles a whole hour. It's the one

926
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: mistake that I gave, because I could listen to him

927
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: talk for much longer than that, as we have on

928
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: the show before. But what I will say is that

929
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: I wrote this on on social media the other day,

930
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: and I was very happy to hear that Charles and

931
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: his family members read it and felt moved by it

932
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: in some way or happy that I wrote it. But

933
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: I do believe that Charles the story is one that

934
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: is like book ended with this hatred and that came

935
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: with segregation, and this this feeling that all of that

936
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: could have welled up and turned him into, as he said,

937
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: a bitter person. But it didn't. Um. And so the

938
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: back half of his story is is full of love

939
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: and passion and friendship and community and all the things

940
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: that I think are important to all of us. I'm

941
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: on an intrinsic level. So his story not only like

942
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: the guy he is, is infectious, but I think his

943
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: story in the way he presents it is also infectious.

944
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: So hopefully I wanted to make sure this time, this

945
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: day that we heard from him, because I think the

946
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: timing is important and I think he is important. So

947
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: fill any any thoughts about what we just heard there?

948
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean, you know, it's it's always, you know,

949
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: you always hear about stories of segregation. Um, at least

950
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: I did, you know, just like third hand through history books,

951
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: and and you know, it's just you know, it's really

952
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: powerful to hear it from someone who actually lived through

953
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: it and how it how it shaped the rest of

954
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: their life, how they view the world now. Um. And

955
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: how Charles specifically is using those memories to just to

956
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: lead by example and he's full of empathy. Um. Yeah.

957
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's it's up to some people

958
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: in power to make sure we fight so that people

959
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: in the future have a better future than uh than

960
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: Charles and Charles did growing up. Yeah, I mean, if

961
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: you want to look at someone who's done better by

962
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: their children and their children's children, just look at Charles

963
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: um as an example. As an example to me, I'm

964
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: not saying that I know what to do, I know

965
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: how to solve these problems, but I know for sure

966
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: that if I listened to Charles Roles, and how have

967
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: you all listened to him as well, there's learnings in there. Um,

968
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: There's there's betterment in there, and so that's what is

969
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: important to me at this time. It's important that somebody

970
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: like Charles has something to say and it's willing to

971
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: share it. So thanks so much to him, his wife Judy,

972
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: and his entire family for being willing to kind of

973
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: put themselves out there in this way, and and thanks

974
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: to you for listening to it. Um. I will continue

975
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: to ask him for advice and to just call him

976
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: to chat, and will impart as much of that on

977
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: the show as we can going forward, because this isn't

978
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna be the last time, you know, we talked about

979
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: racing the outdoors. Of course, it isn't the it isn't

980
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: the first either, So we're gonna keep that at top

981
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: of mind going forward. But for now a little bit

982
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: more talk about that, more talk about gun culture and

983
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: hunting culture and just being a positive force in this world. Um.

984
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, Matt Best and Omara Vila impressed me.

985
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: As though I thought they wouldn't. They absolutely um drove me.

986
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: They gave me a good weekend. If I'm being honest

987
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: with you. Um. I talked to them on Friday and

988
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. We're we're glorious for me because I

989
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: was following their example. So enjoy and Matt that crispy

990
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: what's up man? What's up brother? What are you doing

991
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: on again? What are you doing down there? Nothing much?

992
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: Just hiding from everybody. Yeah, that's probably a good I

993
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: can't go any for I don't I want to do.

994
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like pleasantries, and but I can't

995
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: go any further without asking you about the rap song.

996
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: Somebody read a rap song about you. Yeah, so a

997
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: friend of ours, the Marine rapper, Um he uh, you know,

998
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: he obviously is a rapper and does all a bunch

999
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: of stuff and uh, he hit me up. He's like, yo,

1000
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: I got a really really good rap for you, and

1001
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool, put it down to

1002
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: do it, and he ended up doing send it to me.

1003
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: And that's the one that I posted the other day. Dude,

1004
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: it was It's unbelievable. He's really good. He's actually really good.

1005
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: So he's a marine rapper. Yeah, he was in the

1006
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, got out and that's his name, is the

1007
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Marine Rapper Rapper whatever. People go over there to Christie's

1008
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: page and listen to it. I'll probably go on tour

1009
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: pretty soon. But man, it is fire. As the kids say.

1010
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: We're working out the details. I'm supposed to come out

1011
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: with a flamethrower for the show starts and then that's

1012
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: what we kid get off. Yeah, I got a lot.

1013
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: I even have more questions now before we get to that.

1014
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: Matt Best, what's up? How you doing? Man? Oh man?

1015
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Um. For those of you that

1016
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: don't know Matt, there's so much to know. But the

1017
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: first thing, the first question I have is I was

1018
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: watching the Quarantine music video that you made, and in

1019
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: that music video there was a little small shot of

1020
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen. I was like, Matt Best knows Charlie Sheen.

1021
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ask him about that. We called

1022
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: in all of our famous friends to do a pretty

1023
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: cool cameo for that. Crispy was one of them. Of

1024
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: course we had to save the best for last. We

1025
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: put them later in the video. But Tim Montana actually

1026
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: who co wrote that with me, is a friend of

1027
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheens, and so he's like, man, I'll get Charlie

1028
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: Sheen in the video. I was like, all right, that

1029
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: sounds cool. Yeah, that's the I was very entertained. I

1030
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: was like, these dudes are musical too, in a way

1031
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: that I never thought. Um, so congress, but that's all

1032
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: mad by the way. I'm I'm no way me or

1033
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: have no talented music. So Christie plays the you know,

1034
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: the uh was the cow bell for us. So he's

1035
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I'm pretty good on the triangle. So

1036
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: if you ever never to come in there, it's all

1037
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: in the hips, the triangle, that's all in the hips. Well, um,

1038
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: that we want to talk about today, but you know,

1039
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: we can't go any further. We can't do anything anymore

1040
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: without talking about the goings on in our world. So like,

1041
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: let's start with quarantine. Matt you. You were making everybody

1042
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 1: laugh during quarantine on your Instagram and YouTube. What's what's

1043
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: happening over your way during that time? Man? Uh, you know,

1044
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm in a pretty fortunate position. I'm sure similarly to Crispy.

1045
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, I live in some acreage. I live in

1046
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: um pretty much the middle of nowhere outside of San Antonio,

1047
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: and so my active lifestyle is working from home and

1048
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: pretty much I have a home gym, and I have

1049
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: supply of food and water, and so I'm not really

1050
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: a prepper. But nothing extravagant really changed for me, other

1051
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: than cutting back on a lot of the travel that

1052
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: I do. I'd normally travel like the two different states

1053
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: a week almost and that got cut. So it's actually

1054
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: kind of nice to not have to travel. And I

1055
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: know a lot of people had a less fortunate experience

1056
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: during this than me, but it's kind of been nice

1057
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: to hang out the dogs and the wife a little more. Yeah,

1058
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: that's all. We did a daily show for a while

1059
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: right in the beginning of Quarantine, and probably did total

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00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: podcast during the time, you know, when Montana at least

1061
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: where we are locked down, and I we didn't talk

1062
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: to anybody that was a hunter angler done own or

1063
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: whatever that didn't say just about what you just said, like,

1064
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: we're prepared. My life set up in a way where

1065
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't need much anyway. So um, I think that's

1066
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: just part of the lifestyle. We all kind of lead

1067
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: man couldn't agree more. And that's kind of when we

1068
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: wrote that lyric in do Quarantine, all my anti hunting

1069
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: buddies reaching out to me. I'm sure Crispy is in

1070
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: the same exact situation where people are like, man, you've

1071
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: got any extra deer meat. I'm like, yes, but she

1072
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: dying given it to you. And then I got hit

1073
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: up by to lend people firearms and like, first, that's illegal.

1074
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: Uh So it's an interesting, um psychological impact that it

1075
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: had in a lot of people that change their kind

1076
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: of value system based off of necessity. And I think

1077
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: that hopefully it opened some eyes to a lot of

1078
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: people that might disagree with hunting and the Second Amendment.

1079
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, unfortunate times sometimes give you

1080
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: a little silver lining, yeah, for sure. And I think

1081
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: for for me, I wonder what you think, Krispy, But

1082
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I would just go out my garage and open up

1083
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: my chest freezer and just look into it. And it's

1084
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: very satisfying just looking for sure, Like, dude, I did

1085
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: that almost every other day. I opened it and I

1086
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: was like, do I want do I want access? Do

1087
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: I want there? Do I want white tail? You know what?

1088
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the red Stag or maybe some of

1089
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: this moves that I have left over from Alaska. And

1090
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 1: then I go back inside and you know, you watch

1091
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: TV and all these people on the stories like there's

1092
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: no meat. I'm like, I got plenty of it. This

1093
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: is where we live off every single year. Like this

1094
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: is not doomsday prepping. I'm not like, oh we gotta

1095
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, no one knew this was coming, but you

1096
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: know from from the past season and everything that that

1097
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: we do, you know, fortunate enough to have had meat

1098
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: in the freezer, so you know, we weren't running to

1099
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: the stores like everybody else and interacting with with a

1100
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: bunch of people when when they said it was supposed

1101
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: to be horrible and bad and all that stuff. But

1102
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: I think Christy and I got pretty lucky too, because

1103
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: him and I had just ended a hunt before this happened.

1104
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: I killed a red Stag and he killed a couple

1105
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: of deer. So right when I got my beat, back

1106
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: from the processor. I got about another four on some meat.

1107
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm good for a while. I did.

1108
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: I had those two deer back, and then I had

1109
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: an access and I can't remember what else that I

1110
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: picked up the same time when all that stuff was

1111
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, that's the for us here. It's just

1112
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: it's nothing changes other than the value other people put

1113
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: on what you got going on. You know, I'll tell you, guys,

1114
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: I had. I've had a vegan on the show. His

1115
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: name is Dr Robert C. Jones. He's a vegan philosopher

1116
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: out of Berkeley, which is all obvious. Um. He and

1117
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: he he said, I said, well, what's been going on

1118
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: with you during quarantine? He said, I've been thinking about

1119
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: self sufficiency? And I thought, well, no, wonder um. And

1120
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: so like I think even him, without knowing it, he

1121
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: wasn't mentioning that because the guns or game meat. He

1122
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: was thinking that he was going to try to learn

1123
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: to change his car battery instead of having someone else

1124
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: do it. But but that's like it bleeds into this

1125
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: idea that I think we all followed, that self sufficiency

1126
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: and that knowledge base that we have about what's how

1127
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: to defend ourselves and how to go outside and get

1128
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: things just helps it works in this scenario. You know, Um,

1129
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: anything else, Chrispy, any other fun things from quarantine that

1130
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: you came up with. I know, Uh, everybody should needs

1131
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: to go watch Matt's quarantine video. What was that song

1132
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: called Matt? What was the title? Quarantine? Shockingly? Huh uh?

1133
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: Not a lot man. You know, I got lucky, like

1134
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: you know Matt said, we both live in the areas

1135
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: where you know, we're away from everybody and down the road,

1136
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: I got a friend that owns about eight hundred acres,

1137
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: and you know, still went turkey hunting, still went out

1138
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: there and had fun, run around in my Polaris, shot

1139
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: my guns. That what I needed to do, I mean,

1140
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: everyday stuff. Again, Like the same thing that Matt said,

1141
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: Nothing changed for me other than the travel, like you know,

1142
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: leaving the state and heading over and doing my speaking

1143
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: engagements and everything else that that we do over a

1144
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: black rifle. Um, nothing really changed for me other than

1145
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: that And the same thing, like, you know, I got

1146
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: to spend some time you know with my fiance here

1147
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: at home and the dog and you know, just kind

1148
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: drove each other nuts a little bit, you know, it's

1149
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of getting ready for marriage, like do we really

1150
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: want to do this? And I was like, ah, you're

1151
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's do um. But yeah, I mean other

1152
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: than that, nothing, man, I mean everything continued to be

1153
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: the same for me, other than you know, doing collapse

1154
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: with other friends and going to see each other. Like

1155
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: I really haven't seen Mattsins. This whole thing went down,

1156
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: and you know, we were literally texting the other day

1157
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: asking me. You know that's all. I was like, dud,

1158
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: let's do a crawfish bowl and it's just I'll get together,

1159
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think it's time like this

1160
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: is this has just gone on too long. Yeah, what's

1161
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: what's Texas doing right now? What's I know you're there

1162
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: in all around Austin, like in Montana, We're we're eating

1163
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: that restaurants, we're going and doing our thing or basically

1164
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: fully opened up. What are you guys working on? I

1165
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: think we're at fifty percent capacity? Matt? Is that right?

1166
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: I think? Uh, I'm not mistaken. I think it's fifty

1167
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: cent capacity. I mean, uh, Christen and I went to

1168
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: a restaurant not long ago, I think about three weeks ago,

1169
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: and we went in there with my dad, and it

1170
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: was us and another family and it felt a little aerie, like, man,

1171
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 1: there's there's really nothing going on. And then from from

1172
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: that to three four days later, I mean, everybody was

1173
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: back in the road and shopping in an HV. You know,

1174
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: before there was a line to go inside HBV. Now

1175
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: everybody's just like you don't even have to wait. You know,

1176
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: people are no longer wearing masks. But I was none

1177
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: of that. So I've noticed that, and I don't know,

1178
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, even for me at the beginning,

1179
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, if I get it, I get it.

1180
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: I'll be all right after what you've been through in

1181
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: your life. And by the way, if you haven't heard

1182
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: our first episode, Chris, people will take a break and

1183
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: let you go listen to that welcome back. And I

1184
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: know everything there is to know about Crispy um Matt.

1185
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: How did how did Black Rifle Coffee du during during

1186
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: this time? How are they how are you guys doing

1187
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: during this time? And what did you do to kind

1188
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: of to push things forward? Absolutely, I think, uh, we're

1189
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: doing We're doing well. You know. Fortunately we are classified

1190
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: as an essential business because coffee is king and most

1191
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: of our lives and you of our business a little

1192
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: over nine is direct consumer e commerce space. So we

1193
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: already had the technology kind of implemented for you know,

1194
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: meetings and VTCs and all these things, so we we

1195
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: were kind of ahead of the curve, and right when

1196
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: the stuff started happening, we took preliminary measures and only

1197
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: had essential people you know working in the roasting facilities,

1198
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: and then pretty much we let all marketing work from home.

1199
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: And we're still kind of in that uh battle rhythm

1200
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: right now of just hey, if you don't need to

1201
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: be in y be in keeping everything as far as

1202
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: the coffee and everything super quarantined. Um, so we're being

1203
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: healthy and all that. But no, it's been pretty good.

1204
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: You know. We we couple the shops shut down for

1205
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: a while here in Bernie, Texas where I live. We

1206
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: just got the coffee shop reopened, which was nice because

1207
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: that hit them pretty hard. Um. And that's kind of

1208
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: been my biggest advocacy through all of this is if

1209
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: you have the ability financially support local businesses, do it

1210
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 1: because a lot of these people are in their last

1211
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: leg um. And if you can get out there and

1212
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, eat out two or three times a week,

1213
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: do it if you can. That's what I've been trying

1214
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: to do with with my family is get out and

1215
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: support him because a lot of them didn't have, you know,

1216
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: cash reserves for six months to operate, and the last

1217
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: thing you'd ever want to see is local businesses fall. Yeah. Yeah,

1218
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: I've been been become a huge tipper, not that I

1219
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: wasn't before, just to be clear, but I've doubled my

1220
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: tipping every time we go out. And I think it's

1221
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: just that you can feel, you can feel that, you

1222
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: can feel the thankfulness to those people, understand that your

1223
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: your patriotage means a little bit more now um than

1224
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: it did because we've all kind of we I've got

1225
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: to see what it's like not to be able to

1226
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: just go out and grab a bite to eat with

1227
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: the family, and those folks have gotten to see what

1228
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: it's like to not have a place to go to work. Indeed.

1229
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's been tough, but I don't think we can.

1230
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell on our current on the

1231
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: George Floyd stuff and the current state of affairs in

1232
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: the world too long because I want to talk about

1233
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: hunting culture, gun culture, social media, all that stuff that

1234
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: you guys are immersed in, and so am I. But again,

1235
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we can we can do a whole

1236
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: lot without at least touching on that. Um, Chris, but

1237
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: you saw what I wrote with my black square on

1238
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: on the internet. Um what what are you thinking? Man? Like?

1239
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: What's going through your head during all this? I mean,

1240
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: there's just so much stuff going on, man, And I think, Um,

1241
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, now you have footage of what really happened.

1242
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: And I think stuff like this happens often and happens

1243
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: a lot, and you hear from it, but now you

1244
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: really have footage of what actually happened. And you know,

1245
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: I just it just blows my mind how many people

1246
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: start picking sides and how we start attacking one another

1247
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: instead of coming together and fixing our country and really

1248
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: attacking things like that that are happening and instead of

1249
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: pointing the fingers. It's all the police departments, it's all

1250
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: these guys. It's not all of them, like you know,

1251
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: it's at the at the end of the day, it's

1252
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: that individual person. And you know, he was a shitty person.

1253
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: And I think we encounter that and everywhere we go,

1254
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, we've encountered I've encountered hunters having kind of

1255
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 1: shitty persons in the military and in civilian world. It's

1256
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: not just that department and the people. I think it's

1257
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: the person and ultimately that that's what it is. And

1258
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you start getting support and he starts

1259
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: getting all these things and people are actually out there

1260
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: talking about it, um, you see the division. You see

1261
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: how people can be cruel to one another. And and

1262
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I come in. And I guess

1263
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: that's kind of where the hippie sidemy comes out and

1264
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: just like yo, like, come down, stop attacking one another,

1265
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: stop being so radical, Let's come together, let's talk, and

1266
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: let's figure something out on how you know, we can

1267
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: move on. Like it's it happens, man like it. I've

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01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: been racially profiled multiple different times, and it doesn't stop

1269
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: me from hanging out with my friends. And it doesn't

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01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: stop hanging me like with my white friends or my

1271
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: black friends. It doesn't that that doesn't the experience that

1272
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: I've had doesn't really make it that I can't hang

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: out with white folks or black folks, you know what

1274
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, it's just it was that individual person

1275
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: that had hatred in their heart because I mean, most

1276
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: of my best friends are white. And and you know,

1277
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: I can't sit here and tell you that every white

1278
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: person is bad because it's it's just not. I think

1279
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: it comes like again, it comes down to being an

1280
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: individual person and having that hatred and the way you

1281
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: were brought up. And you know a lot of people

1282
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: like to point fingers at white people for being racism.

1283
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, man, Hispanic people are

1284
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: the most racist people I know. Do I know? Like

1285
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: that people know your story. You came your dad drove

1286
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: you across the border with some birthday balloons. Yeah, and

1287
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: and said and told the folks at the check station

1288
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: that you're going to a birthday party and you never went.

1289
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: And now you're here, and now there's so many hundreds

1290
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: of thousands people that follow you and see you as

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: American hero, which you are. Um, how do you how

1292
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: do you kind of relate that story to what all

1293
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: these people are feeling right now and kind of the

1294
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: fight that they you know that they see there's I'm

1295
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: sure there's like an appreciation for this nation and what

1296
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: it provided you, but also like you know what racism is. Yeah,

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01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know It's something that that I mattered

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01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: with every single day because you do see things like that,

1299
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: and and it does hurt, and it makes me want

1300
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: to get out and just you know, just go out

1301
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: and and just go off on this person and go

1302
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: off on different cypject matters. But I think that the

1303
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: older that I've gotten and and the people that I've

1304
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: surrounded myself with, I've been able to step back and

1305
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: really think and really process things and and and then

1306
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: release a statement. Um, but men's it is a hard

1307
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: thing to deal with. But ultimately, man, at the end

1308
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, the way that my my

1309
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: parents raised me is always never act like a victim,

1310
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: Always be kind of others, and always put yourself and

1311
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: somebody else's shoes and what they're going through and then

1312
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: go from there. So, I mean, again, just so many

1313
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: mixed emotions and man, and I really it's taking a

1314
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: few days to kind of talk about it. And and

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: what I really love is I've been able to call

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: some of my black buddies and talk to them and

1317
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: be like, hey, like let's talk, like what do you

1318
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: deal with on a daily basis? And then I've done

1319
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: the same thing with some of my white friends, like, Hey,

1320
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: how do you feel you're being portrayed? And having conversations

1321
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: with people like that has really opened my mind too,

1322
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world and and how we're

1323
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: so quick to judge others without really having a conversation

1324
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: and really slowing it down and and understanding one another. Yeah, Matt,

1325
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: what's uh? You know? I know like you've been active,

1326
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: You've talked about all kinds of things on social media.

1327
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: What have you found like thinking about talking about this

1328
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: or or what how you approach might be. I think

1329
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: it's a hyper complex environment that we're we're trying to

1330
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: articulate here because there's so many different things happening. And

1331
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: first and foremost, I think with the tragic death of

1332
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: of that individual, right, there's already criminal charges being placed

1333
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: against the police officer, which there's should be, and I

1334
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: think there's an immediate solution to the individual that acted

1335
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: in criminal intent. And then from there, if you believe

1336
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: that there's systemic issue within law enforcement, well we don't

1337
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: change that by rioting right. Peaceful protests is awesome, and

1338
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: I get it that you're you're spreading that, and you know,

1339
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of a Christie point too. I grew up in

1340
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: a military culture from seventeen. I served with black I

1341
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: served with Hispanics, I served with Asians, I served with

1342
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: gay I who cares man like? No one cares right.

1343
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: It's about the character of the individual that should define them,

1344
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: not wherever they came from. And I think most of

1345
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: us in two thousand twenty believe that. But the problem

1346
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: is is during these peaceful protests, you have trash terrorist

1347
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 1: organizations like Antifa, which are inciting violence, and they're breaking

1348
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: down the same economies throwing rocks, and these looters are

1349
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: throwing rocks through businesses that are on the fallout of

1350
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: an economic crisis pre existing from the COVID nineteen stuff.

1351
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: And so you're damaging these communities and setting us back,

1352
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: let alone the taxpayer money that has to go into

1353
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: the communities. And people like and I get it's hard

1354
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: to talk to youth sometimes, but they need to take

1355
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: a step back, be a little more emotional intelligent, Go

1356
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 1: how do I make the biggest difference here? And it's

1357
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: it needs to be unifying and not divisive. And if

1358
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 1: they're like again, if there's a problem with law enforcement

1359
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: in your area, let's focus on that. But no one's

1360
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: talking about the multiple African American or black guys that

1361
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: have died during the looting and protests police officers. There

1362
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: was a retired cop that got shot over a TV

1363
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: and killed, Like, where is where is the hysteria about that?

1364
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, because people are just so quick to have

1365
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: their own self affirmation and look at me, look at me,

1366
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's a bizarre, bizarre world.

1367
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that is based and

1368
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: stemmed off of social media and this self affirming bullshit

1369
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: that people put out like not a racist, Like yeah,

1370
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be a dumbass, Like why do you need it?

1371
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: Like that's why I didn't player, Like I don't need

1372
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: to convince Chrispy that I don't like him because Max

1373
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: he wanted best friends. I don't care that he's missing

1374
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: a leg and you know it still looks more handsome

1375
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: than me. No, don't care. It's about how he treats me.

1376
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: He treats he comes over and treats my wife and

1377
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: me with respect and love. And I've had great stories

1378
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: with him, and never once other than a couple of

1379
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: jokes have we have we brought up race And that's

1380
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: just a fun thing, but we're family and and and

1381
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: more people need to see that. And the more that

1382
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: we become divisive, like we're gonna go down the white

1383
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: privilege route again. Like it's just I don't I inherently

1384
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: disagree with it. And I wish people would come to

1385
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: the table with more educated conversation rather than emotional based

1386
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: arguments and knee jerk reactions. But that's our society because

1387
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, yes, it's it's sad to see people

1388
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: running to both sides of their political corner and trying

1389
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: to defend to take to to defend rioting or to

1390
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: defend a police officer that murdered a guy. And broad

1391
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: Daylight is like using your political stance or your worldview

1392
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 1: to defend like violence, uh, to defend lawlessness, to defend

1393
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: these things because you have an ideology that agrees with

1394
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: the reason for whatever happened, that doesn't make sense. You

1395
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: have to find other ways to solve these problems. And

1396
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: it's escalation of force, right, I mean and and by

1397
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: force meaning you can start with conversation. Escalate is necessary. Right.

1398
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: I hope to never use violence against the human ever again. Right,

1399
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: But if it comes to someone holding me and my

1400
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: wife at gunpoint, I'm gonna drop his face with a

1401
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: bunch of nine mill rounds. But I hope to absolutely

1402
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: never do that. Yeah, exactly, And so that it's what

1403
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: what you know, you're shocked and all and appalled by

1404
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: the video of George Floyd, and then you move on

1405
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: to like what you move on from that? Everybody agrees

1406
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 1: that that was awful. It was murder and secondary and

1407
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: murder is at the very least the charge of that

1408
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: police officer should have gotten. I haven't heard of anybody.

1409
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have, you guys seen anybody

1410
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: not agree with that. No, I think on all political

1411
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: spectrums people are agreeing that is murdered, and that's where

1412
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 1: the judicial system comes in to get him a trial

1413
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: and and convictim of murder if that's the case, right,

1414
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: absolutely one pent. But like there's so many more complex

1415
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: conversations going on here, like where are these bricks coming

1416
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: that people are dropping off? And like there's so much

1417
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: out there that like we should be a little concerned

1418
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: on who's influencing or society to act in this because

1419
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: not that I'm a tin hat ware, but people are

1420
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: trying to be disruptive in American society right now. It

1421
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: could be Russia, it could be Antifa. I don't know,

1422
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm too dumb, butlins in you know, those

1423
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: are bigger conversations that are dividing a whole entire country.

1424
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah, and I think that. You know,

1425
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: ram emanual Um once said never let a good crisis

1426
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: go to waste, and and I'm not I'm sure he's

1427
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: not the first person to say that. And that goes

1428
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: both ways, right, It goes is like, never let a

1429
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: good crisis go to waste in a in a positive way,

1430
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: like when this something like this happens, you have to

1431
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: you can you can create change out of it that

1432
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: it can you know, swell up into too positive reform.

1433
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: But also there's plenty of people that think, never let

1434
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: a good I'm going to be a crisis actor. I'm

1435
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: gonna be someone who pushes these buttons and turns this

1436
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: into something that's not for my own personal gain. And

1437
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you see it every single day, dude, I

1438
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: posted the other day and most of the day again,

1439
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's you know again you said about and

1440
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: the best never let it go to waste? Right And

1441
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: you're seeing people that are out there actively I wanted

1442
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: to make a difference, make make uh you know, an

1443
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: impact in their communities. And then you have people that

1444
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: are out there acting like they're helping, like that girl

1445
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: that I posted where she was acting like she was helping,

1446
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, drill some uh plywood on a window because

1447
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: there was there was gonna be a protest, and she

1448
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: literally got off, had her boyfriend take a picture, got

1449
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: back in her car, and left and that was it.

1450
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: Like she didn't help at all, she didn't do anything.

1451
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sitting there like we want to

1452
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: make change, we want to do all these things. We

1453
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: talk about how how we should do it and what

1454
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: we should do, and then you have people like that

1455
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: that just want the fucking picture and don't want to

1456
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: work or do anything. And it's just like, it really

1457
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: obsess me when you see things like this because they're

1458
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: just doing it for that social media you know cloud.

1459
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: I guess you can say or with the cool kids

1460
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: say now, but it's just like, look at me, I

1461
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: was helping. And even today there was this this Russian

1462
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: actress that stood in the middle of the protest, you know,

1463
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: half naked and said Black Lives Matter, She took the picture,

1464
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: got on a newber and left, like, come on, people,

1465
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: you know we're here saying we want to make a difference.

1466
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: We want to like yeah, like come on, yeah. And

1467
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: that's that's where, like everybody the criticism of the Black

1468
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: Squares come in and I'm with that, man, I'm with it,

1469
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: Like that's fine post that. Oh well, but um, what

1470
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you really doing? Um? What

1471
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: are you really saying? What are you really willing to say?

1472
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times, even for the three of us,

1473
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,560
Speaker 1: like there's you know, I say something, I lose followers.

1474
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: Everybody has a little bit of something to lose, so

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 1: that makes it easier just kind of stay out of

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: the fray, right man. I mean, Matt, you're a co

1477
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: founder of a huge business. Um, you know you have

1478
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: something to lose if you speak out. I assume at least. Yeah.

1479
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean I pick and choose my battles, right of course.

1480
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: And you know I've been asked about that before. And

1481
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: I put my passion and desire into the veteran community

1482
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: and making change. And that's why, you know, we work

1483
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: with guys like Crispy who have the same perspective on

1484
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: where they want to change life. I'm only one man.

1485
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: I can only incite so much change in a positive

1486
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: way that I believe in. And for me to get

1487
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: engaged in emotional conversation that's not fact based is a

1488
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: lose lose for me personally. So that that's why I

1489
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: stay a lot away from that. And like, does racism exists? Yeah,

1490
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: of course it does. There's piece of ships in this world.

1491
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: We all know that. But why paint that all Mexicans

1492
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: are a racist? Are all white people racists? Like, no,

1493
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: the majority aren't. Let's band together and fight against racism

1494
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: and educate people that it has no correlation to the

1495
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: type of person they are based off of their race.

1496
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: And that's what we should be doing, not like having

1497
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: these factions of people fight and then women stripping naked

1498
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: to take a photo and going away in their thirty

1499
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: dollar black uber or whatever the case. It's just ridiculous. Yeah,

1500
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 1: we we've kind of did. Like this thing is devolved

1501
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: into something that I don't think anybody could have predicted

1502
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: when when this front, when it for started. I think

1503
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that is connected to what we started

1504
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: talking about. People are desperate, they're disenfranchised. And I the

1505
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: one thing I'll say, and I said it on the

1506
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: show before, is I'm just I'm enfranchised. I love this

1507
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: country and I know both of you guys do because

1508
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: you fought for it. And I want everyone to feel

1509
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: like I feel. Um, I just want you to feel

1510
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: the way I feel about this country, this world. I

1511
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: think it's I'm lucky to be alive. When I wake

1512
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: up in the morning, I'm like, damn right, and I

1513
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: get going and man, and wake up in a country

1514
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: where everybody has the same opportunities and and and this

1515
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: is coming from a person that was here illegally, you know,

1516
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: twenty years ago or whenever the hell we came or

1517
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but came here illegally, got my citizenship

1518
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: and decided to join because that's how I felt that

1519
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to give back And doesn't necessarily mean you

1520
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: have to do it, but you know, get back to

1521
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: your community and whatnot. And every single day I wake

1522
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: up happy and proud and just this, this this brightness

1523
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: in me that I'm an American and I can wake

1524
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: up and go achieve my Wilders dreams because we're all

1525
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: able to. And you know that's another thing when I

1526
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: hear people say, well, I can't get a job because

1527
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm a minority and I'm there, so I'm that or

1528
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: I don't have these opportunities, is like, dude, I'm here

1529
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: to tell you you do have them. There's resources everywhere.

1530
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: You just gotta find them and put yourself out there

1531
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: and do it. And that's the great thing about America

1532
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: and that's what I love, and that's how I want

1533
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: everybody to feel and realize that we are the greatest

1534
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: country because of that. Yeah, I think this this whole conversation,

1535
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: like is this something man? Even in our office here

1536
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater, um, in my personal life, everybody's talking

1537
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: about it. Everybody, you know. I think everybody I talked

1538
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: to it it wants to have a solution, wants to know

1539
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: what to do. So I like, I really appreciate you

1540
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: guys taking a little bit of time to talk about

1541
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: it because it's it's hard to it's hard to get

1542
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: it right. We're probably not going to get it right,

1543
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: but no, as you said, Matt, we're just gonna keep

1544
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: getting better at it and do what we can do

1545
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: every day as people. Yeah, my my last advice in

1546
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: that it's just like everybody needs to take a chill pill. Right,

1547
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: We're all like a composition of conditioning. We've all had

1548
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: experiences their life that might make you feel one way

1549
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: about a culture or someone else. If you just take

1550
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: a step back and when someone disagrees with you or

1551
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: has a different opinion and not go you're an f

1552
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: an idiot and you just go okay, okay, why do

1553
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: you think that way? And then have that conversation, you

1554
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: might actually fucking learn something or they could learn something

1555
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 1: you like, twenty two year old Matt was an idiot

1556
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: and thirty three year old Matt is a little less

1557
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: of an idiot. Right, So it takes time to learn

1558
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: and learn the environments around you and experience any things

1559
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: in life. Just just take the opportunity to be a

1560
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: sponge and learn and and it's like the best advice

1561
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: I could ever give people is just relax a little bit. Yeah.

1562
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: The fact I think both of you guys are just

1563
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: good examples of those things too, Like where you came from,

1564
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: where you are, the things you've done to serve, the

1565
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: things you've you've done. As you know, mad as an entrepreneur,

1566
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 1: is is just like a thought leader saying for you crispy,

1567
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: Like when I first met you, you weren't where you

1568
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: are today. Even you know, I was a jackass when

1569
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: we first you didn't have any rap songs or anything

1570
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: that I was aware of, So even from then, so

1571
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: now it's amazing see how far you've come. Um, but

1572
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered I fucking Doug, Doug, how you

1573
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: were and how you purcha thing as the first moment

1574
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: I met you, no matter what you were doing otherwise.

1575
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: So I think that it's good to have folks like

1576
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: you out there, and that's why I's excited we could

1577
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: get you both on at the same time because, um,

1578
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: because it's just being an influencers is kind of a

1579
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: bullshit word, but being an example it's certainly not in

1580
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: my opinion. Yeah, so I feel like I'm just on

1581
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: a cool call with like one of my best friends

1582
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: in you. Is it's cool cocktail hour or something I

1583
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: should have I had that idea, man, because we've done

1584
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: like we did a review of Tiger King and got

1585
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: real drunk. I feel like this could have been the

1586
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: same if I had a brought I didn't bring any

1587
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: any alcohol to the party. Unfortunately, Listen, I gotta bothered

1588
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: Jamin with an arm's reach. So that's all You're welcome.

1589
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: It's like four or five, four o'clock on a Friday

1590
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: and you're in, You're neck in the wood. So like

1591
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: it it is, it's happened. We're a hunting podcast talk

1592
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: about all kinds of things, but I wanted to talk

1593
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: about kind of like the intersections of hunting culture and

1594
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: gun culture and like how all of this is kind

1595
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: of spun up over the years. I've been a part

1596
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: of it. I worked at the n r a UM.

1597
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: I've also been attacked by them, so like I know

1598
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: a little remember that, So I like I I understand

1599
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of the dynamical both sides um and

1600
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: how it feels to kind of have to like pass

1601
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: the purity test um and so Matt in terms of

1602
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: the purity tests, and what I'm referring to is kind

1603
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: of like how legit you are in each space because

1604
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: the hunting you have to do a certain thing or

1605
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: project a certain thing to be legit. And I know

1606
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: in the gun culture there's there's you know, in the

1607
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: tactical culture, there's a way as well, like how would

1608
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: you articulate, you know, kind of how we work. How

1609
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: our culture kind of defines these these purity tests. Um, shoot, man,

1610
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean for for me, Like I

1611
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: didn't set out to necessarily influence people in one culture.

1612
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean I've been called I romanticize gun culture. I

1613
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: believe by the Washington and Post or whoever. The thing's great.

1614
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: I get a quick story, and that I told the

1615
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: interview guy when he showed up. I laid all my

1616
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: guns out in my house and I was wearing Ranger

1617
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: panties and cowboy boots and picked them up in my

1618
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: razor and I was like, let's just let's just take

1619
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: this dude for a while. Texas rat Um No. I mean,

1620
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: I I just I post what I love, right, So

1621
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: I do the things that I love. I don't necessarily

1622
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: do them for like clout or people to think I'm

1623
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,879
Speaker 1: a cool guy with guns. I just love the Second Amendment.

1624
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: You know. I I am deployed in multiple capacities over

1625
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: nearly a decade, and my main life saving equipment was

1626
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,839
Speaker 1: a firearm, and so I believe that I'm fairly efficient

1627
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: with it. And if I can go out there and

1628
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: um preach you know, responsible firearm ownership, I think it's

1629
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: an amazing thing, and the problem is a lot of

1630
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: people they're so afraid of what they don't understand. And

1631
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: I think that's really the outside perspective on the gun

1632
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: community is where a bunch of gun nuts that are

1633
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: loose cannons, And I'm like, trust me, Chris, be me.

1634
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: You were the guys you want on our team if

1635
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 1: something goes south. And I think a good lens and

1636
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: new perspective that people have seen throughout the COVID in

1637
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: in these these lootings is I can't call the cops.

1638
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: They're there. Bandwidth is capped, so I have to be

1639
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: responsible for my own safety. And it's a very freeing

1640
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: thing to know that you can be self relying yourself

1641
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: with proper training and understanding how a firearm works and

1642
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: implementing that is life saving equipment if you have to

1643
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: use it. And hopefully, like my previous statement, I never

1644
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: have to shoot anybody ever again in my life. That

1645
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: would be a godsend. But I'm not going to be

1646
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,480
Speaker 1: ignorant and live in a fake bubble that someone crazy

1647
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: idiot might not try to come onto my house property

1648
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: at two in the morning and gun me down. That's

1649
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: why I sleep within a R and it's like, well,

1650
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: you don't need that, you know, bullshit? Yes I do. Yeah, Christy,

1651
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about the purity test a

1652
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: little bit too, and whether you you had to take

1653
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: it and people have like attacked you for for that,

1654
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Like you can both tell me that's bullshit too, like no,

1655
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: there isn't one, or I'm getting wrong. No, yeah, yeah

1656
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was literally just gonna say that it's bullshit.

1657
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: There's no purity test there, there's no none of that.

1658
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess I and welcome with

1659
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: open arms and the gun industry just because I use them,

1660
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: I utilized them. I talk about him, you know, I

1661
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: always I just love weapons. Again, it's something that I

1662
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: held in my hands, saved my lives overseas. Multiple times.

1663
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: I was able to use that that weapon to save

1664
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: my buddy battles lives, you know, So I keep these

1665
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: things very close to me. And and just to draw

1666
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: the same thing that Matt said, I've set this in

1667
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: numerous numerous podcasts and magazines. It's, you know, my time

1668
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: is done in the service I you know, all the

1669
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: stuff that I did overseas and the lives that I took,

1670
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: I left all that behind. And I would never, ever

1671
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: in a million years wanta killed an American to protect myself.

1672
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: But if it happens, it happens. But I'm not out

1673
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: there constantly hoping, you know, like I'm like with some

1674
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: motherfucker would so I can, you know, bust it out

1675
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: and I can be featured in the terray and you know,

1676
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: they come into my house and they because they're so

1677
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: quick to do that ship you know that they'll jump

1678
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: over and they're like, look at this guy, you know,

1679
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and then you use you, you know, for whatever the

1680
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: other political reasons are. But it's just one of those

1681
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: things now. I I you know, I grew up because

1682
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: I joined when I was about eighteen. I grew up

1683
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: with with firearms and I've always known them and I've

1684
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: used them to hunt and I go to the range

1685
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: and it's therapy and I you know, I keep all

1686
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: these things going. And another thing that it does for me,

1687
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: it's very therapeutical. And it helps me with my hands

1688
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: because I got a load magazine. I gotta keep that

1689
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: triggered discipline. I gotta make sure I got a good

1690
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: grip on my handgune. So all these things are helping me,

1691
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: you know, make my life better every single day because

1692
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: it's keeping all my joints going, you know, they're not

1693
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: getting stiff and ant of that. So to me, there

1694
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: was never this purity of like I got accepted by

1695
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: the gun industry because um this to do it is no,

1696
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: It's just I was. I've always been me, and I

1697
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: do me. And if people like it cool, if they

1698
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: don't fuck them, I don't care they don't pay my bills.

1699
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that to you right now. I

1700
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: don't care what others think about me. I waiting into

1701
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: all this and I kind of just love to well,

1702
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,879
Speaker 1: as some folks have said, like just court these issues

1703
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: that are kind of fraud, that have duality, that have

1704
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: gray areas, that just don't have things like that's just

1705
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: my personality is maybe unfortunate at some level, but it's

1706
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: it's it also helps me understand you know, some of

1707
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: these issues and all the things we've talked about up

1708
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: until now all have gray areas and nuance and different

1709
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: things that um, they're never gonna be uh one way

1710
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: or the way you want them. And there's no reason

1711
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 1: to be an absolutist. And I think what you both

1712
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: were kind of just saying there, if I could maybe

1713
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 1: summarizes that's it, Like just there is no absolute way

1714
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: to be in this culture. You just be yourself. And

1715
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 1: both of you guys have had good success, Like Matthew, you,

1716
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: what do you attribute like black Rifle success and your

1717
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: success and and Evans success all of that, what do

1718
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: you attribute that to something particular? Hard work? You know?

1719
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I like I said that the times I work out,

1720
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I work work out my intelligence. Man, I'm not that

1721
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: smart of a guy. I just I just go to

1722
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the grind every single day. And I don't fall into

1723
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: victim culture. I've had tragedy in my life. I've had failures,

1724
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I've had you know, depression, I've had all these things.

1725
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: But I don't let it conquer me. I consistently just

1726
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: wake up and go I gotta be a better fucking

1727
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: version of myself. And you know, and maybe some of

1728
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,440
Speaker 1: that stemming from you know, tragedy and in the military

1729
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: and seeing friends that got lost way too early. And

1730
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: it's like my obligation, as is an American and a

1731
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: human to be a good dude and and try to

1732
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: inspire people to live a happy, quality life by any

1733
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: means necessary. And uh, you know, I I think for

1734
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: Evan and I, we just saw a big hole in

1735
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: American business as far as how do we create a

1736
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: cultural movement that supports our veterans, you know, And it

1737
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't really exist at the time. And you know, we

1738
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: do a lot of comedy based stuff and satire based

1739
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 1: stuff because as Crispy knows, and I'm sure you do

1740
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the way we dealt with these like

1741
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: really dark situations was having a mccab sense of humor,

1742
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: having like we could joke about terrible things. And it

1743
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't mean that we believed in the statements or the

1744
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: narrative of the joke, but it was a way in

1745
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: a relief system for us to like clear minds and

1746
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: then be mission focused. And I I it doesn't mean

1747
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: that I don't fall into my own holes here and

1748
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: there all the time, but I just try to stay

1749
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: mission focused. What matters. I want my dad to you know,

1750
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: live out his retirement and be super happy. I want

1751
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: my wife to be love her life, and I want

1752
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: my my best friends and my family like and then

1753
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: it just grows and grows from community country and if

1754
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: I can be an advocate for that and show people

1755
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: that you can kind of throw away all the bullshit

1756
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 1: that life throws at you and take your punches and

1757
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: get back up. Then then I think I'm doing an

1758
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: okay job. Do you guys both? I mean it sounds

1759
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: to me like you guys both think that your time

1760
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: in the military put that in you, grounded you and

1761
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: made you understand what how quickly you can all go away? Yeah?

1762
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think the military taught us how

1763
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: to appreciate life, how to appreciate the live of things,

1764
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: and not to take anything for granted. You know, I

1765
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: think Matt and I both saw a lot of friends

1766
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: die around us at a young age. And you know

1767
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: that that that shakes you up, that that forever will

1768
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: change you. I mean it changed me. You know. I

1769
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: used to be this freaking kid that thought he had

1770
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: the whole worldom because he was, you know, a collegiate athlete,

1771
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and you know I thought I was billy badass go

1772
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: another military at all. But I mean the military changed

1773
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: that all for me. I I saw one of my

1774
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: best friends die in that vehicle with me that day,

1775
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: and lost another great friend that day, and then lost

1776
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 1: about four teens and the whole deployment and It forever

1777
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: changed me. It taught me to appreciate life, to really

1778
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: be a kind person. I mean, there's just so many

1779
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: things that it taught me that it's changed me into

1780
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: who I am today. I completely agree with that. I

1781
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: mean you can you can summarize that in so many

1782
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: different ways. Like life so white light switch. You never

1783
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: know when someone's gonna turn it off. You know, we're

1784
01:32:55,240 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: born terminal. Uh, there's no trust rehearsal. And when you're

1785
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: you experience how quick life and how fleeting it is.

1786
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: It really gives you a profound respect of the time

1787
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: here on earth and how important it is to lead

1788
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: with love and empathy and then always have you know,

1789
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 1: violence as a tool that you hope to never pull

1790
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: out that toolbox. But the reality is there's some really

1791
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: evil people in this world, and um, you know, but yeah,

1792
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the military absolutely shaped my perspective on life and and

1793
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: it's mad. It's made me an absolute better person. It

1794
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: really has what Matt, what's uh in terms of hunting,

1795
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: what's that done for it? Like, I know we've kind

1796
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: already touched on that, like kind of the extrinsic stuff

1797
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: that you know, the stuff that we get from the

1798
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: meat and kind of the benefits. But what for you personally,

1799
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: has has you know, hunting done? Um, you know, I

1800
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: grew up hunting fishing. Um, it's pretty crazy your parents

1801
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: let you do that. When my brother, who's about three

1802
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and a half years older than me, when I was

1803
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: like twelve and thirteen, my dad would give us a

1804
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: twelve gates shock and at twenty two back when you

1805
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: could do this, and we drive out, you know, four

1806
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 1: hours up in the hills and is some of the

1807
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: fondest memories I've ever had. And Crispy knows my brother

1808
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: real well, Alan, and we would just take a sleeping bag,

1809
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: a little gas burner and literally hunt for food and

1810
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 1: we bring one m r E. And it was just

1811
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: so freeing to be a part of the environment and

1812
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: being self reliant on yourself. UM. And I think now

1813
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: after I've been deploying pretty much my whole twenties and

1814
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean my thirties, now I have the ability to

1815
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: go experience these awesome, awesome um community based activities like

1816
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: hunting and waking up in the morning with Crispy and

1817
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: a lodge and drinking black rifle coffee and then shooting

1818
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: the ship while we put on our camo and then

1819
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: going out and then really but treasuring the harvest and

1820
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: the process of hunting it is. It's just amazing, and

1821
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I think you have a far more intimate and profound

1822
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: respect for wildlife when you see this gorgeous, beautiful red

1823
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 1: stag and then you take its life and you see

1824
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: the process of you know, processing it, and then it

1825
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: turns into Crispy coming over to my house and now

1826
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: we're eating red stag burgers today, laughing about life. I mean,

1827
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: the whole experience and start to finish. It's just it's

1828
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing, and it gives you so much more respect

1829
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: in this crazy ecosystem that we have. Yeah, Krispy, I

1830
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: gotta ask you how you guys met. But Chrispy, give

1831
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: me follow that up, dude, How we met? Yeah, I

1832
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 1: gotta just just give me how you met, because I

1833
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: feel like you guys. So we met at Shot Show. Um,

1834
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: you know Shot Shows, just that that thing we met

1835
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: out there, and then um, I think we got drunk

1836
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: at the club exchange numbers and you know, we all

1837
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: went home and then Matt called me out of nowhere

1838
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey man, I'm doing this piece about

1839
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: my favorite five top military people or whatever, like you

1840
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: you a cave, I use some of yourself on social

1841
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: media and like the whole time, I'm like, hello, why

1842
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: is he calling me? And uh, you know, I went

1843
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: from there. And then you know, when when Black Raffles

1844
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: started and they went in south Lake, I flew out

1845
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: there and hung out with them and just super fucking awesome, dude,

1846
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: open arms, every I mean just just just felt like family.

1847
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: We're off the getto man like, open arms, no judgment,

1848
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: no no no judgment from previous stuff and nothing. It

1849
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, you know, we we like who

1850
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: you are, like we just stand for and you know,

1851
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: welcome to the family. And that's pretty much how we met, man.

1852
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 1: And then you know, we've been super close friends ever since.

1853
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I can't even imagine ever

1854
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: tell you all the things that that Mad Nevin and

1855
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: everybody's done for me and how they've been there for

1856
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: me since since since that day. And then I just

1857
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: love these dudes. And it's it's kind of hard to

1858
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: look back at that and say that's how we've met,

1859
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 1: because I felt like we've been family for so long

1860
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: that I kind of want to say, like, oh, you know,

1861
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: he's my my cousin from so and so or whatever.

1862
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, uh, Matt, I mean you're gonna have

1863
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: to say some some way nicer things about Crispy here

1864
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: in the Battle Africa. I mean, yeah, we can do

1865
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: the hype train here. Uh. I don't think Crispy knew

1866
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: how much she inspired me. I followed him on Instagram

1867
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: and I had called him because I was doing this

1868
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of third party in media where they asked me

1869
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: my top five like inspirational veterans. And it's hard to

1870
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: pick because I knew so many epic dudes and metal recipients.

1871
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: But there's something that really stood out about Crispy was

1872
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: his story and it's so in line with my mission

1873
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: statement in life. I mean, Crispy has every opportunity to

1874
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: be a victim. He could sit on his couch and go,

1875
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 1: woe is me? Look at me, I'm burnt, I'm missing

1876
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: a limb. Give me life, But he said, funk that,

1877
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: and now he's taken life. And it's so inspiring to

1878
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: see someone that is um considerably socially look that as

1879
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: a far less fortunate person than me crushing it and

1880
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: being more inspirational than me. And it like it motivates

1881
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: the literal ship out of me to know that there

1882
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: are people out there that can work through all the

1883
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: hardship in life and not only to benefit their own life,

1884
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: but to be a leader in the community. And I

1885
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 1: just love, love, love that mentality, and I want to

1886
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 1: partner with people going forward that spread that message message

1887
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: to get rid of this like bullshit victim social media

1888
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: culture that goes like, let's let's help out, let's help

1889
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: people sucking a man like, let's do good in this word,

1890
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: let's leave it better than we we saw it when

1891
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: we got here. Yeah, I mean, that's it's funny, like

1892
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: hear you guys say that because I have so many

1893
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: and and Crispy knows this about like the guys that

1894
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: archery country or a bunch of people that I've met

1895
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: through hunting and the people I have on this show,

1896
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Like I feel and I would echo what you said, man,

1897
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a bunch of dudes just

1898
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: talking like there's nothing like we kind of every time

1899
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: you talk, I say amen in my head. I don't

1900
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 1: know if I say it out loud, but there is

1901
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: there's this version where people at hunt or people that

1902
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: kind of especially you guys have shared experience in the military,

1903
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: which I don't have. But I see it in the

1904
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: hunting world. I meet other people who are, you know,

1905
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: in the profession, and we have a professional friendship, and

1906
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: at least it starts that way, and then we think

1907
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: the same we value the same things. And I don't

1908
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: know if it's a chicken or the egg, whether it's

1909
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: hunting that kind of is the glue, or it's just

1910
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,759
Speaker 1: the type of people that are drawn to doing something

1911
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 1: like this, talking about this stuff for a living, doing

1912
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: it for living or whatever. But I see it, man,

1913
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of things that started at as

1914
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of a professional friendship and an admiration that turned

1915
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: into just like a deep, um, long lasting, lifelong thing.

1916
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Um is that is that kind of how you feel? Crispy? Yeah,

1917
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: I say, I guess. Moving on, um to the social

1918
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: media aspect of it. I mean, both of guys spent

1919
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of time there. That's how I know you, Matt,

1920
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: from just following that seeing what you do. Um, you

1921
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: inject comedy to it, which you've already talked about levity.

1922
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 1: You see that in a Black Recle coffee brand. We

1923
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: were talking about here the other day in the office

1924
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: that one of the reasons we admire the brand Black

1925
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: Arcle Coffee over and above the product is that you

1926
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: guys are just who you are, and as you've grown,

1927
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: you've you've kept that maccab sensibility that you mentioned, You've

1928
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: kept that going. Um And most companies as they grow

1929
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: kind of have to get blander so more people can

1930
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: can connect to them. How have you guys approached that

1931
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: as you've kind of gotten big or over the time. Yeah,

1932
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: I think you know, at the end of the day,

1933
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: the company the two driving heads of this thing, and

1934
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: we have an absolutely phenomenal team, like I said, over

1935
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: two hundred employees. We have people that participate socially like

1936
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,600
Speaker 1: crispy and help with other brand aspects. UM. But you know,

1937
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: Evan and I are leading the brand and and the

1938
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: brilliance of that is we don't like placate the corporate culture.

1939
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, what we want the

1940
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 1: brand to look like, for better or for worse, We're

1941
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna do it. And I am not a pushover. I'm

1942
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: not gonna let someone tell me to change. You can't

1943
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: say the F word anymore because you might you know,

1944
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: granted there's certain restrictions on social media, and you have

1945
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,799
Speaker 1: to you know, pivot here and there to to market

1946
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: the company. But at the end of the day, what

1947
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: we want to do is what we're gonna do. I mean,

1948
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: that is the American spirit. That's what entrepreneurialism should be,

1949
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: UM and I And And that's why I think the

1950
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: company hasn't changed because we have such a good ecosystem

1951
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: and environment at the company. Who we hire, I would

1952
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 1: rather have a cultural fit that I have to train

1953
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: the job rather and then hiring a professional that's going

1954
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: to come in and just just erupted with bullshit microaggressions. Right.

1955
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 1: And so we're very selective in the cultural type that

1956
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: comes a part of the team because we don't consider

1957
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 1: it a team really, it's a family, um and And

1958
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: that's what We'll stay true to that until you know,

1959
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: I get you know, die in a plane crash or whatever.

1960
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: I'll take me with you and asked me something epic

1961
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: like that. After all you guys have done, UM, I

1962
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially for you, Crispy, UM, we got

1963
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: to talk about social media. We'll probably not just talking

1964
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: shit about it, UM, But that's all right, that's that's okay, UM,

1965
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: can you just like, how do you handle social media?

1966
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: What do you read the comments? To you? Not what's

1967
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I've heard millions of people talk about this,

1968
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: but I I want to hear what you want to

1969
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: say about it, Like, just let it loose, man. You know,

1970
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I do read the comments. I do read the d M.

1971
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: I try to get his back people as I can, UM,

1972
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: just because I know I put out myself out there where,

1973
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: whether it be through tragic things that's happened to me

1974
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: or something positive or whatever the case is. I know

1975
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm putting myself out there, and I'm making my personal

1976
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,799
Speaker 1: life available to everybody else, and people are gonna have questions,

1977
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: people are gonna say their opinions, and you know, it

1978
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 1: comes to a point where I take all the positive

1979
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: things because there's more positive than negatives, UM, and and

1980
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I use those if I'm able to give back, if

1981
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm able to use my following to help others, or

1982
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: if one of my posts touches one person out of

1983
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: everybody that was contemplated suicide or just calling it quits,

1984
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: or whatever the case is, if it touches one person

1985
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: a day and it makes a better person, then I'm

1986
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,799
Speaker 1: off for it and and I love reading the comments,

1987
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: celeb reading the DM sometimes like man, I've had I

1988
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: had cases where I had a gentleman who was out

1989
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what part of the world it was,

1990
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 1: but he was with his wife taking are there the

1991
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: first honeymoon and they've been married for thirty years and

1992
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,639
Speaker 1: was wave came in and pushed them into the water.

1993
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: She ended up drowning. And he told me that there

1994
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: was a point in his life where he was on

1995
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: a point there that he was just going to give

1996
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: up on his life and just say, funking, I'm done.

1997
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 1: And for some reason, Crispy the funk on was in

1998
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: his head and he kept saying it and saying that

1999
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: he was able to swim back and and and you know,

2000
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: they say they picked him up and they got a moot.

2001
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Unfortunately his wife didn't make it. But he told me

2002
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: that my motto helped them, and he still to today

2003
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: says it, um And even though he's a pastor, he

2004
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 1: says that when you know he's by himself and UM.

2005
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 1: Things like that have touched me. Things that I've been

2006
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,719
Speaker 1: able to do with with burn kids, UM have really

2007
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,639
Speaker 1: really uh made me admire and love more on social

2008
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: media because there is a lot of negative things. I mean,

2009
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: there is d ms that I've opened up where you know,

2010
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: people have called me all kinds of because they probably

2011
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: don't agree with the things that I say. And it's

2012
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: okay because I can look at that comment and I

2013
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: can delete it and never see it ever again. But

2014
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I can open up a positive one, so there's more

2015
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: positive than negative to it. And honestly, comments like that,

2016
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: I just they're weak to me. They don't mean anything

2017
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: like it goes. I read it and I forget about it. Um.

2018
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I try to interact as much as I

2019
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: can with people again because I put my life out

2020
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 1: there like that, and I want to be very open

2021
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: and you know, like Matt said earlier, I want to

2022
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: make an impact in this world and I want to

2023
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: make sure I can help change lives. And also only

2024
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: that's my goal with social media. Yeah, Matt, you read comments, Yeah,

2025
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 1: I I do. I don't go through all of them,

2026
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 1: you know, I think when I first started social media,

2027
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 1: I would scroll through a thousand comments and look for

2028
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the one bad one over But you know, I think

2029
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: that you the way I look at social media, right,

2030
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: It's like it almost be like science in a sense

2031
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: of you know, I care about what my peers have

2032
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 1: to say. So you know, when you're when you're when

2033
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: you're doing a you know, a scientific article, you care

2034
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: what the doctors have to say because they're in that

2035
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: community and you as a collective are defining where that goes.

2036
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: And so I care about like what my guys downrange

2037
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 1: are doing and all of this. You know, I still

2038
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of the upper echelontier units and

2039
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: I have friends there, and I'm like, how are we

2040
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: received over there? And They're like, you guys are doing

2041
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: amazing things for us. I'm like, okay, Roger that and

2042
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: then I'm not going to care when some fucking idiot

2043
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: comes on here. And I'm sure, just like both of you,

2044
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I've been called every name in the book. I've gotten

2045
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: my my wife has been attacked. I mean, I've I

2046
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: it has been brutal over the years, But at the

2047
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,799
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's very resemblant of what Crispy's

2048
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: outlook on it is. It's like you see the change

2049
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: that you have and you really will never care about

2050
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these things. Like when I did my

2051
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: book signing, had people come up to me like, dude,

2052
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: had a pistol in my mouth. And I watched How

2053
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to Be an Operation Or and I decided to get

2054
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: back in the gym rekindle my relationship with my wife.

2055
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, how the that's stupid ass, poorly edited video

2056
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: made you do that? So you really never know the

2057
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: impact that you can have in people's lives, and and

2058
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 1: and it is an absorbed risk. Is any person that

2059
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: puts themselves out in social media, when you step on

2060
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: that stage, you're going to get criticized. And to to

2061
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: Crispy's point, I think that you can disagree with your

2062
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, statements and opinions, but action is what truly matters.

2063
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure Crispy and I disagree on

2064
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: some things in life, but I know he acts in

2065
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: an empathetic and loving way towards humans and towards his community,

2066
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: and that's what matters most to me. I see him

2067
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: put the work in and make change. And then if

2068
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: we disagree on some frivolous bullshit, who cares? I mean?

2069
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: And then it's obviously gets worse and worse from more

2070
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: political spectrum or opinion based spectrum that you go from

2071
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: from my general ideas and values in life, and but

2072
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't care that it doesn't bother me one bit. Yeah,

2073
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean I listen a lot of podcasts and every

2074
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: time I click on it's two celebrities talking to each other.

2075
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean to you know what we would say, be

2076
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: your A list celebrities, this comes up. This is something

2077
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: that comes up because they're dealing with it. And and

2078
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: I and especially folks that have, like you know that

2079
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 1: a more creative endeavor at the heart of what they do.

2080
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 1: There's criticism that they know that's coming. When they're making

2081
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 1: that movie or making that music, they know that it's come.

2082
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: And what I think if everyone should rewind and listen

2083
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: to what both these gentlemen just said, because you know,

2084
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 1: when I write an article or create a podcast, I

2085
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: don't do it thinking about what the criticism might be

2086
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 1: from what from what I'm trying to create. I'm creating

2087
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: what's what I think is right and have you know,

2088
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: the willingness to put it out there and see what happens. Yeah,

2089
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: there's a really fun I love exercises, I love like

2090
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: challenging my psychology and a fun one I heard from

2091
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: a friend was go look at your favorite movie, pick

2092
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: your favorite movie of all time, and then go to

2093
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: IMDb and read the negative reviews. I love Saving Private Ryan.

2094
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best war films ever

2095
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: made of all time. You go in and read some

2096
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 1: of the one star comments are like, oh, people are

2097
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: just haters in this world. You know, like this from

2098
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 1: script to screen, how long it took and the revolutionizing

2099
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: camera angles and telling this brilliant American war story that

2100
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, right, But like, there's always gonna be

2101
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 1: the one stars in life. But the good thing about

2102
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 1: that is the one stars who are using all their

2103
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 1: emotional output to fucking break you down, they're never going

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01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: to be successful. They're gonna they're just gonna live in

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01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: that swamp poll of negativity. And then I'll focus on

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01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: the positive and keep pushing forward. All Right, we're gonna

2107
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: have We're gonna do that, Matt. Right now, Joe, we

2108
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: need your help, Therey buddy. You're gonna be our Jamie.

2109
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Rogan and you're Jamie Kay. Get to google

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01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 1: the uh Satan Private Ryan. We're gonna talk a little bit.

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01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 1: We'll let you google Save with Private Ryan. And then

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01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna I'm gonna read some some shitty comments like Chrispy,

2113
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: what's your movie? Man? Oh man, that's like you might

2114
01:48:56,040 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 1: want to go movie that I watched a lot, man, Uh,

2115
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: probably Forrest Dump And I really every time I fly,

2116
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: I watched Lawless. Yeah, okay, did you look up Saving Round? Yeah,

2117
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: hurry up. Jamie would have had the ship up by now. Yeah,

2118
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: damn it, God, you can't find it. All right, we'll

2119
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,800
Speaker 1: find me a negative comment that we can read, man,

2120
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: Jamie pro we would already been watching the video. Uh yeah,

2121
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean there's eight thousand, seven hundred one stars. I'm

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01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 1: Saving Private Round, So what that's a good one. I

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01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: mean it's it's voted at eight point six rating. But yeah, uh,

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01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. I was thinking Forrest Gump too, And you

2125
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:37,879
Speaker 1: said that when you started saying that, Matt, that that's

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01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: probably what I would pick, because every time I watched

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01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump, I just kind of at the end, I

2128
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: just cry a little bit. And yeah, maybe we're all

2129
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 1: just Tom Hank fr fans, you know the t at Don.

2130
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: When I found out that Tom Hanks got COVID, I

2131
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 1: was like, don't you dare take Tom Hanks, You son

2132
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 1: of a bitch. How it's real ish you You can

2133
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: take Rita Wilson, don't take Tom Hanks. This kidding, just kidding.

2134
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: Uh you found something at Joe What in the world

2135
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:18,680
Speaker 1: I found something already? Uh? This is Forrest Gump. Yeah,

2136
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: that's Forrest Cump self ingratiating and for this viewer maddening.

2137
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: It blends the comic with the christ Lee, the satirical

2138
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: with the sentimental, the freethinking with the fuddy duddy eat

2139
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: one that's not Nigel Andrews from the Financial Times, Christie,

2140
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: you have any official comment about that review? Real quick?

2141
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: He sounds like a dude that one stars Yelp reviews

2142
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,799
Speaker 1: and said, but there was a there was a paper

2143
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: towel in the bathroom floor and you fucking one started Yeah, yeah,

2144
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: he's ah god, you took the words round on my mouth,

2145
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: all right, Joe's goddess one. He's got one freaking say

2146
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 1: from an article and Wired called Free considering, save that

2147
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: Private Ryan. According to that According to that review, Savor

2148
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 1: Private Ryan was undermined by Spielberg's trademark strained seriousness. Corn

2149
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 1: and Schmoltz. The wildly Heild is a new sort of

2150
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: war movie. The Economist said, Saving Private Ryan is rooted

2151
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,959
Speaker 1: in Hollywood tradition and making movies only from the viewpoint

2152
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 1: of the victors. Woof, they are they saying Nazi Germany

2153
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: should be better under a better lens than like getting

2154
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: Hitler some clout or something. Because I'm super confused in

2155
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 1: that sentiment. I've confused that they're saying, like we need it.

2156
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: We need to know what the Nazis were thinking there. Uh.

2157
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: Bruise your point, Matt. There's some confusing, weird reactions to

2158
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 1: just about every piece of art commentary ever put out. Um,

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01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: we should read a good one about for because the

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01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: Forrest compass. Uh. As long as you don't look up.

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01:51:55,080 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Reviews in my movie were good, Okay? I did I

2162
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:04,919
Speaker 1: give I Give your your your Quarantine song five stars,

2163
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 1: a glowing review. No, no, no no. He made a

2164
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 1: movie called Range fifteen. I don't think you've seen it.

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01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna send you a DVD. Benny,

2166
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: what's it called fifteen? Let's let's not let's not go down.

2167
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: If I wasn't a good home, if I was it

2168
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: was a bad host, I'd let you slide on this.

2169
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: That's fine, but you can I said, I have thick skins.

2170
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 1: You can read read a negative view. Okay, juicy ones

2171
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,919
Speaker 1: in there. It's called I've never seen it so but

2172
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna send you a copy. Um coming off.

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01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 1: Are you in it? Matt? There you are? You're in

2174
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: it and the lead. It's a B B minus movie

2175
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: that you know, made veterans by veterans. It was made

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01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: for a specific community, and it did its job, and

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01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:57,799
Speaker 1: I think it entertained a lot of people. But obviously

2178
01:52:57,920 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 1: when you start branching out from the humor we have,

2179
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 1: people are not very understanding of it as that's a

2180
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 1: long time ago. Never know. This is I'm just gonna

2181
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 1: play this at the feet of Crispy Joe's playing me

2182
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: the trailer right now. You got you Got It got

2183
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 1: audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. That's that's huge. That's probably

2184
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 1: better than the say Forrest Gump. Let not compare the

2185
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 1: people who was in this movie. Hey, it could have

2186
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 1: got a ninety percent, but I wasn't in it, So

2187
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: that's why I drowned. It was. You're completely right, this

2188
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: is something I wish I knew about before this. You

2189
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 1: got shot, You got Rudy in there. Mm hmm, William Shatner,

2190
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,679
Speaker 1: well done. I don't see anything. I don't see any

2191
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:51,679
Speaker 1: negative reviews, not one. Matt, what's that dude's name? The General,

2192
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: the black dude that light there. I love that dude.

2193
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Um oh um uh what's his name? He's like one

2194
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 1: of my Yes, dude, I that dudes hilarious. I'm watching it.

2195
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 1: Joe Joe is playing. I feel like, get some you know,

2196
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:15,600
Speaker 1: that's all right, We'll move on. We'll move on. I

2197
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,560
Speaker 1: had at least had to at least pause there. I

2198
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: don't know where to go from there, but at least there.

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01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I probably looking forward into the future, Matt, Like, what's

2200
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: the You know, we've all talked about the president, how

2201
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 1: much it kind of sucks. Um. You guys have convinced

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01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: me to to not wallow any iota. But what's what's

2203
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 1: in the future for you? Man? What are you looking

2204
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 1: forward to? Yeah? I don't necessarily know, man. I got

2205
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: some some big projects to like to challenge myself, and

2206
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: so you know, I'll probably direct another film myself, not

2207
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 1: that I didn't direct the last one, but I would

2208
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 1: love to direct the film. I'm working on a short

2209
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 1: film right now. That's Christie will will be in as well. Um,

2210
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: that's the preliminary shooting days are already in edit. So

2211
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I really just rally around Black

2212
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee and growing that enterprise and hopefully changing the

2213
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: cultural perspective of veterans across America and um giving them

2214
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: a place to walk into where we hang American flags

2215
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: and people don't get this disgusted. I mean if they do,

2216
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,120
Speaker 1: they can they can cordially leave our place of business,

2217
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: you know. So really just focused on Black Rifle, becoming

2218
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: a better executive, and then really challenging my my creativeness

2219
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 1: in life, you know, through music and art and films.

2220
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that exactly looks like, but

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01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 1: it will be a very fun and uh we'rek intensive process,

2222
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 1: which I like. How how do you do you ever

2223
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: think about defining yourself? I know everybody tries to de

2224
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: find you based on what you do. Like, if somebody

2225
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 1: asked you like, what do you do? Who are you? Like?

2226
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: Is there a way you explain that? I usually just

2227
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: say entrepreneur because if I start going into the projects

2228
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 1: I've done, it confuses people and they usually don't believe

2229
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: me and that that sounded self infatuating. But like I wrote,

2230
01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: and I run a business and they're like, they're like, Okay,

2231
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 1: this due's an idiot, but now it's an entrepreneur. Man

2232
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,360
Speaker 1: And Um, I would like like artists. Maybe I don't know.

2233
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I like to make people laugh, dude, it works the

2234
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: best dest in life. Dude, you've been making people laugh

2235
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 1: well before quarantine, well before uh all this crap are

2236
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 1: going through now and range fifteens in my mind. But Crispy,

2237
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 1: what do you got going on? Do? What? What's what

2238
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to? Man? Um? You know, dude,

2239
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I there's things that I've been wanting to do, and

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01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 1: I think, uh, the next project for me is buy

2241
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: a ranch and and host people out there, not necessarily

2242
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: make it a nonprofit. I don't want to make a

2243
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 1: nonprofit that there's there's millions of nonprofits out there, but

2244
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: I want to provide a place where people can come

2245
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: out and hang out and bring their families. I think

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01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of these um nonprofits that do hunting trips

2247
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 1: don't necessarily involve the family. And me, being an injured guy,

2248
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 1: I understand how how family is very important. What my

2249
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: family dropped every single thing going on that they had

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01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: in their lives and um, and they came and took

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01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: care of me, so they experienced everything that I went through.

2252
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 1: It was emotionally draining for them. You know. There was

2253
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: kids where you know, I saw my mom hurting and

2254
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,839
Speaker 1: it bothered me a lot. And there's all these trips

2255
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: that these guys take and go all these cool things,

2256
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,640
Speaker 1: but they don't bring their spouses, they don't bring their kids,

2257
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 1: they don't get them involved. And that's kind of what

2258
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I want to do. I want to share more of

2259
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 1: the outdoors with not only the warrior, about their family

2260
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: members and be like, this is what we have going

2261
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: on here. If your wife or husband, daughter, son, what

2262
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: if don't want to hunt, Hey, we got horses you

2263
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 1: can ride. You don't want to ride horses, Let's go

2264
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: shoot some guns. Let's let's teach you how to operate

2265
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 1: and function that this this weapon. If they don't want

2266
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: to do that, and we have a plump or we

2267
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 1: can go catch bass or whatever we want to throw

2268
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 1: in there and just get them in tune with their

2269
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 1: loved ones again. That that's really what I want to do,

2270
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: and I want to do more stuff in the Burned

2271
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: community and just continue to do what I do. Man.

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01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: That's that's honestly what my goals are. And and start

2273
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 1: a family. And in the midst of all that, little crispies, yeah,

2274
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Crispi's man, drop them off Matt's house. The important question

2275
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, do I getna be Uncle Matt? Oh?

2276
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:21,080
Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah? What an honor? What's the Uncle Matt?

2277
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 1: What's your strategy with with Crispi's uh not yet existing children,

2278
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 1: Like You're gonna spoil them? Like I'm a un man

2279
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 1: because I don't want kids, So I just I spoil them,

2280
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, taking the river, I'll swim at the kids.

2281
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: In the second they like pooper cry, I give them

2282
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 1: back to the parents. That's that's that's okay. Well, you

2283
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 1: guys gotta you gotta come to Montana number one and

2284
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 1: we'll chase around some big elk um public lands um

2285
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 1: at the very least. So I gotta come down. I

2286
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 1: need to kill some killing access to here, dude. I'm

2287
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 1: out of access to your meat, and I had a

2288
01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 1: hunt scheduled right during quarantine. I had to cancel it.

2289
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 1: So I down with you, me and Crispy. Well, we'll

2290
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 1: take your Access down and we got a lot out here. Again,

2291
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:07,760
Speaker 1: we'd love to take you. I'd love to come. I'd

2292
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: love to come. Let me just say, you know, we'll

2293
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: we'll close on some other things, but I just want

2294
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: to say this both you guys. I know that you have,

2295
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, big followings, and you've done a lot in

2296
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: your lives, but like to hear you talk about very

2297
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: difficult um issues, very polarizing things, and even things like

2298
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: social media in the way that you do. I know

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01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 1: it sounds I can I talked to a lot of

2300
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: people um on this show, and I can tell you,

2301
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,840
Speaker 1: guys live the ship that you're saying, and like, there's

2302
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: no there's not an inkling of doubt that what you're

2303
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: doing is the right thing for you. So I just

2304
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 1: want to say that comes through both of you. Thank you. Okay, uh,

2305
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: let's plan our hunt, Like when are we gonna do

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Speaker 1: this thing? It's too hot down there right now, there's

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01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 1: too many rattlers down there right now. Yeah, but right

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01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:59,120
Speaker 1: now it's perfect season. And come on, Access, it's the

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01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:05,320
Speaker 1: Russ the Red Side. Let's let's not forget that Access

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Speaker 1: are exotics, so you know, we can use night vision

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Speaker 1: if we wanted to dude, I got some I got

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02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: some night vision. I can bring um high do They're

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02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 1: the most delicious. Yeah, that's the one thing I missed

2314
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Speaker 1: about living in Texas. It's like that many things. Turkeys

2315
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 1: to man. Yeah, I move out closer to to to

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02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 1: Benny and then he leaves. I was like, all right, Dode,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I only did that so you had

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02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 1: like a northern place to go. Man, I only did

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02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: that so you had a place to hunt elk, although

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02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 1: you can hunt are You can hunt just about anything

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Speaker 1: in Texas if you're looking the oh for sure. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the access rut is go. I guess that's yeah, first

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02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: week of June. Man, access rut is I'm going on Wednesday. Yeah,

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02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:50,440
Speaker 1: and depending on that, I think Crispy and I, um,

2325
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to treat Crispy to it, but we're gonna

2326
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,920
Speaker 1: go for stuff for it. Crispy to go up to

2327
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:57,840
Speaker 1: record and shooting elk because I want the meat and

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02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 1: we'll go Boha, let's go. I think August right is

2329
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: the rut. Yeah, yeah, Joe's telling me. Joe's tell me

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02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 1: he wants to go. I don't know, man, you got

2331
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 1: a google, got a good you got a Google better

2332
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 1: to earn your time. See, I's just gonna getta motivate

2333
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 1: people around you're putting them down. We love you, Joe,

2334
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 1: We love um. Well, boys, I really appreciate it. Man.

2335
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I won't take up any much more your time. Um,

2336
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 1: thanks for everything again, Thanks for just freaking being who

2337
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 1: you are and um talking to us, and I will

2338
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 1: hopefully know not hopefully I will see you in Texas

2339
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:39,560
Speaker 1: for sure. Come on, if y'all need me a coffee

2340
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:41,640
Speaker 1: up there, man, just grab my number from Crispy and

2341
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: I'll get you guys squared away. Man. Thanks for all

2342
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: you do. You guys put out some great content to

2343
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Really appreciate it. Yeah, man,

2344
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 1: means a lot you too, Crispy Man, I will I

2345
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 1: want to come down and see you, see all the

2346
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 1: boys at Archery Country. Um by miss Austin. Come on,

2347
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm coming. Yeah. I wouldn't say I miss Austin, but

2348
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 1: we'll see you later. That's it. That's all. Another episode

2349
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 1: in the books. Thanks to Charles Rodney, thanks to Matt Best,

2350
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,680
Speaker 1: thanks to Omar a Villa, Thanks to Phill the Engineer.

2351
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody that emails and listens to the show.

2352
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 1: This one kind of went everywhere, it didn't it. Phil, Yeah,

2353
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a long one. But I think I think

2354
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 1: that I think that's good. I mean, I I love

2355
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 1: that you're just you're covering the gamut. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

2356
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 1: when we know when Charles gets in, he's gonna just

2357
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:43,960
Speaker 1: go and I'm not gonna stop him ever, And nor

2358
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 1: what does I think do I think anybody wants me to?

2359
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 1: And so we knew, we knew we would get Charles

2360
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 1: in here, and we knew he would go and and

2361
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 1: give us a good perspective. Same thing I'm gonna tell

2362
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: you again, man, the same thing with Matt and Omar.

2363
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: If you listen to these people and you don't come

2364
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 1: out of this with a new perspective talking about not

2365
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: being a victim, talking about pushing forward, talking about doing

2366
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 1: positive things, talking about going out in the world and

2367
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 1: making a difference, you couldn't have put I didn't plan

2368
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:15,600
Speaker 1: it this way. I didn't put plan to put Omar

2369
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: Um an immigrant from Mexico, Matt a white guy from Texas,

2370
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 1: and and Charles Rodney, a black guy from segregation this

2371
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 1: Louisiana in the same podcast and think that they would

2372
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 1: could be connecting their thoughts in some way. But if

2373
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:31,840
Speaker 1: you listen back to this and you listen to these men,

2374
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: you will find that they're talking about essentially the same

2375
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 1: exact thing, and that's moving through the world in a

2376
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 1: positive way and watching that those waves wash over everyone

2377
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 1: around you. And so I'm inspired. I'm gonna go do

2378
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 1: more and be better. Um. I hope you can take

2379
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 1: that away as well. If not, we'll try again next

2380
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:57,440
Speaker 1: week with Diana Rodgers and Rob Wolfe, who are working

2381
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:00,480
Speaker 1: currently work in a book called Sacred cal at Is,

2382
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 1: talking about regenerative agriculture. We're talking about the way that

2383
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 1: we save the reputation of meat. That's a follow up

2384
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,840
Speaker 1: on our last conversation with Nick Calo from Impossible and

2385
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 1: Robbie Sansom from Force of Nature. So hopefully you stick

2386
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:16,360
Speaker 1: around for us episode one thirty coming at you next Tuesday.

2387
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Say bye, Phil, because I can't go a week without

2388
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 1: doing Run Without Run Drank