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Speaker 1: And welcome to Wednesday's edition to Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Paul the Tina on

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Speaker 1: Lance Metal. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero one four five one three is

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Speaker 1: the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. A number

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Speaker 1: of rule changes were implemented yesterday at the Spring Owners

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Speaker 1: League meetings, so we're gonna get into that. Jim Diopolis,

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Speaker 1: former NFL referee, will be joining us a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on to break those down. Before we get to that, though,

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Speaker 1: let's start with some Giants news, and yesterday the Giants

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Speaker 1: made in addition to the receiving Corps Paul As, they

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Speaker 1: added Russell Shepherd. So he's the third former Carolina Panther

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Speaker 1: that has ties to Dave Ghettoman because he brought in

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Speaker 1: a corner and he also already brought in a running

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Speaker 1: back who played for Carolina. Now he adds a wide

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Speaker 1: special teamer. That really has been his ambo throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of his career. Yeah, he has been a return guy.

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Speaker 1: He's also been on the coverage junits Um six one,

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Speaker 1: seven years old. Those are the official stats on Hey. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, he's an l s U guy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We know there's a connection L s U on this team.

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Speaker 1: For besides Mr Beckham, Thomas mcgottagey, the special teams coordinator,

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Speaker 1: is also a one time ls U employee in addition

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Speaker 1: about a guy who, you know, good character guy again,

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Speaker 1: but people probably know him more as a buccaneer because

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Speaker 1: he was only with the Panthers for one seconds. Uh,

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Speaker 1: spend more time with Tampa. Did have one season in

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Speaker 1: two thousands sixteen, couple of years ago, twenty three catches. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know that's somewhat substantial for a guy who's at

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Speaker 1: the back end of the depth chart. Um, but you

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Speaker 1: know how much his role you know, develops into I

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Speaker 1: don't know right now. This is just another guy who's

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Speaker 1: a character guy helping fill out the depth chart. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see if amongst other people they can step up

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Speaker 1: and not only help the actual depth chart at their

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Speaker 1: respective positions, much like all those defensive backs the Giant signed,

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Speaker 1: but can they in fact become really good special teams

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Speaker 1: demons because the Giants also needed help there well and

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Speaker 1: you have to, because if your third, fourth, fifth on

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Speaker 1: the depth chart, Paul, probably most of your reps are

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Speaker 1: gonna come on special teams as opposed to lining up

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver game to games. So that's why

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna bring in somebody towards the back end

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Speaker 1: line with that. You know, Cody Lattimer is another guy

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Speaker 1: they brought in this offseason who did not have a

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Speaker 1: a good spring. By the way, he's been very productive

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Speaker 1: and and part of that has been because Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: So Lattimer has been lining up with the first team

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Speaker 1: by the medical staff. So, you know, the Giants are

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Speaker 1: certainly giving opportunities to a bunch of these other folks

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Speaker 1: and they're looking for any additional production that they can get,

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Speaker 1: no matter who's going to do it. They're not playing

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Speaker 1: favorites here. It's like, okay, folks, opportunities in front of

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Speaker 1: It's there. These guys just gotta go see. Roger Lewis

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Speaker 1: is another player still in the mix. In terms of

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Speaker 1: both positions, and it's a matter of who's gonna rise

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Speaker 1: as we make our way to training camp. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt. And I also believe that the Giants will

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Speaker 1: not just necessarily looking for them to improve and adopt

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Speaker 1: That'd be an issue. That's why you're building him up

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Speaker 1: before the season even starts, to say, Hey, if he

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Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd is the newest member of the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: and as far as the Panthers ties, it's no surprise

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gettleman would be turning to players that he

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart is another player who he brought in. But

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Speaker 1: the common theme here, Paul is players who have experience,

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Speaker 1: you know. Once again, Gettleman has has very carefully selected

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Speaker 1: at least it seems like almost all of them have

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. You can't

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Speaker 1: in addition to being an experienced NFL player. Well, and

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Speaker 1: that was part I think the mindset when they were

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Speaker 1: finalized the rosters. So it was really the who's who

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Speaker 1: Depen guys here in the past and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: talking about Russell Shepard, the newest addition to the New

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Speaker 1: an NFL Supervisor of Officials, and that is Jim Diopolis. Jim,

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time, house, Everything doing great, guys,

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Thanks for having me on today now,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jim. We appreciate it. This is a very

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Speaker 1: only trying to sort out specifically what some of these

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Speaker 1: rule changes are, especially involving the kick offs and involving

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Speaker 1: years is an NFL supervisor of officials. Jim, you spoke

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Speaker 1: about all these technicalities and how difficult it is going

431
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Speaker 1: to be for the officials to really hone in on

432
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Speaker 1: it once the two thousand and eighteen season starts. So,

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Speaker 1: with that being said, what is important for all current

434
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Speaker 1: officials as well as the league from now till the

435
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: start of the season. How do they reinforce this? How

436
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: do they get those mental reps so that it becomes

437
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: second nature when they're trying to enforce these rules on

438
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: the field in two Well, it's like what they do

439
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: year round, and and and and I can tell you

440
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: these the NFL officials really study and watch a lot

441
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: of film, and the Competition Committee has gone to great

442
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: lengths to address these two issues, these issues that we've

443
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: discussed with many many plays, and they are sending these

444
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: plays to the officials to study them. Here's the play,

445
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: here's how it's watch what happens here, and now here's

446
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: how we want this officiated. But again, guys, once the

447
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: game starts, you know it's gonna you know, the reactions

448
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: are gonna have to take over because they're gonna just

449
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: have to teach these guys how to officiate kickoffs and

450
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: contact helmet contact again, because this is something that's gonna

451
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: be that's new to all of these guys. It's just

452
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Speaker 1: a change in what they've looked at over the many

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Speaker 1: years that they have been officiating. You know, Jim, I

454
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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say because us I know that

455
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: teams and there are analytics people that keep stats on

456
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: officials and crews in terms of what they think their

457
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: tendencies are. Uh and oh, this crew likes to call

458
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: holding or this crew likes to call pass interference more.

459
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Speaker 1: And I appreciate if you have a sensitivity to that,

460
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: because I mean, I think everybody understands there's a natural

461
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: human inconsistency sometimes and how a particular player game is

462
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Speaker 1: gonna be called. It seems to me that there's gonna

463
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Speaker 1: be a lot of inconsistencies, if not early in the season,

464
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Speaker 1: maybe all throughout the season as some of these new

465
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: rules become so complex and so spider web like that,

466
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of inconsistencies and you're gonna

467
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: have people looking at replay saying, oh, look that you

468
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Speaker 1: see when when the other team ran that twenty five

469
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: yard and around to the left, there was an offensive

470
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: lineman on the right. Look at the replay he was

471
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Speaker 1: clicking helmets with somebody. They should have called that. I mean,

472
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Speaker 1: that's not good for the game, is it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it is. And and I think you make a

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Speaker 1: great point, And I think what what would have really

475
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Speaker 1: helped and I've I have talked about this for years

476
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: and years is unfortunately the NFL does not have a

477
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Speaker 1: developmental program. You know, where they had NFL Europe UH

478
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: and NFL Europe, they were able to practice these things.

479
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: They were able to implement potential rule changes, they were

480
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: able to implement situations that that occurred, and we were

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Speaker 1: able to teach young officials how they need to officiate

482
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: at this level. Unfortunately, this is going to change. You

483
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: know that they have no developmental program now where they

484
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Speaker 1: can start, you know, to do this in the off season.

485
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Speaker 1: So basically they're gonna learn on Sunday nights and Monday

486
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Speaker 1: nights and Thursday nights, uh during the regular season, and

487
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Speaker 1: that's not a good time to have to learn learn

488
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff because there's not enough time. There's not

489
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Speaker 1: enough time in the preseason to pick all this all

490
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Speaker 1: these plays and these new uh these new rules up

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Speaker 1: well and relate it to that, Jim. I think from

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Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, the coaches and I know you said

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Speaker 1: you had some interaction in terms of, well, if I'm

494
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Speaker 1: a special teams coach, how am I coaching my players?

495
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: If I'm an offensive or defense of coach, how am

496
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: I now coaching my players with the helmet? Give me

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00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: the fact that, Jim, when you look at the new

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Speaker 1: c b A, I mean, they have limited time as

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00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: it is in terms of practice and limited contract in

500
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: the all season. So I think it goes both ways

501
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: with teams players as well as officials. It sure does.

502
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, we're trying to teach everybody

503
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: more because we're in the same situation with officials. You know,

504
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: from the end of the season until the fifteenth of May,

505
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: there's no contact allowed by the league to the officials,

506
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of the same thing with

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Speaker 1: the players. All of the players not having their O,

508
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: T A, s et cetera. And they start they try

509
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: to jam it in and you know, it's like cramming

510
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: for an exam. You know, you try to learn it

511
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: all in a short period of time. And again it's

512
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, and there's gonna be a learning process,

513
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be mistakes that are gonna be made

514
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: out there by the players, by the coaches, everybody officials,

515
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: everybody league office. The league is gonna be They're gonna

516
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: make mistakes up in New York. Uh. Some of their

517
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: interpretations are fouled and all that. So it's just gonna

518
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: be a learning process over the next you know, over

519
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: this next season, and hopefully they can they can work

520
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Jam If you don't mind, I'm

521
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna go off topic for one second while we have

522
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: you here, and we're so grateful you were able to

523
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: give us some time this morning on our program. Let

524
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: me ask you about the catch rule if I can,

525
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: because they tried to clean that up a short time ago.

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Speaker 1: And while we have you on the air, could you

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00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: could you please explain to me what it catches. You know,

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00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: I know it's made of the opinion, you know, catch

529
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: the football. You know, the biggest mistake the NFL has

530
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: made on this sting is including instant replaying it. You know,

531
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: you've got it in individuals that are officiating the football

532
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: games that have been doing this for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You know, we watched the game, and so often we

534
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: can see what our eyes show us. What do the

535
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: eyes tell you? Why don't we have to go to

536
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: a camera and run it frame by frame to see

537
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: if the laces are moving on the ball. To do this, well,

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00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: you know we've we've made We've tried to micro manage this.

539
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Grab hold the ball. That's all I used to tell

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00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: guys when they were fish eating it. You know, watch

541
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: the player hold onto the ball. Just tell it to

542
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: hold onto the ball when he catches it. You know,

543
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: don't don't make all these moves and you know now

544
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: just saying you know, you have to have control, you

545
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: have to have feet down, you have to make a

546
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: football moved out by you know, all this it's just

547
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: making it too difficult. What is the catch? Hold onto

548
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: the ball kind of like we did in the backyards

549
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: when you caught the ball. You caught the ball, and

550
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: you dropped the ball. You dropped the ball. We never

551
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: had replay and we got along pretty well with it.

552
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Speaker 1: So I wish I could give you a really simple answer,

553
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: But all I have to say is hold onto the

554
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: football and makes the whole lot easier for them to

555
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: officiate it. The former NFL referee Jim Dappolis, Jim, last

556
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Speaker 1: one for me, just going back to this kickoff rule.

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00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: I know we asked you earlier. You know who does

558
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: the new helmet rule favor? How likely is it for

559
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: us to see more kickoff returns given these new rules,

560
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: because of perhaps no running starts, the removal of the

561
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: wedge block. Is it possible that special teams coaches are

562
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, let me give the green light to

563
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: my players to take it out of the end zone

564
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Speaker 1: or do you not see it changing much of anything.

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Speaker 1: I gosh, that's a great question, and it's gonna be

566
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Speaker 1: hard to tell because I don't know how long they're

567
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: gonna be coaching this thing. Uh, you know, it just

568
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: seems to me it would make more sense if that

569
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: ball goes into the end zone, take it off the

570
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty five yard line and start from there. Why chance

571
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: running out of there having an illegal block getting to

572
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: get you know, there's too many opportunities to lose it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see a lot of change

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Speaker 1: in the number of returns. You're gonna see a whole

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Speaker 1: a large number at fewer number of injuries on kickoffs.

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Speaker 1: That's and that's what they're looking for in the NFL

577
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: based on the data that they obviously collected over the

578
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: last few years. Certainly that was the ammunition to make

579
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Speaker 1: a change like this. Well, we've been joined by former

580
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: NFL referee on field official for eleven years, twelve years

581
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Speaker 1: as an NFL supervisor of officials. He's Jimdopolis. Jim greatly

582
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Speaker 1: appreciate the time of the inside. Thanks so much, Thank you, Jim,

583
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Speaker 1: My pleasure guys, any time to talk to you soon.

584
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Speaker 1: Got it. So there you go. Jimdopolis weighing in on

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Speaker 1: these new rule changes with respect to the helmet rule

586
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: as well as the kickoff rule. And you know, there's

587
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: a lot of technicalities as he mentioned, which is going

588
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: to put officials who already, let's face it, under the

589
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: microscope as it is, this is now just going to

590
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: put them Paul further under the microscope. But I thought

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00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: what was interesting that he had to say, at least

592
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: on the helmet rule, while there are grounds for ejections,

593
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: the fact that they've got the League in New York

594
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: taking care of it and having an extra set of eyes.

595
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Because I listened to Al river N's press conference when

596
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: he was speaking to the media Paul, and he said

597
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that New York they'll review every single one of those

598
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: potential ejections. They'll have the right to uphold it or

599
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: overturn it. If they overturn it, it's still a fifteen

600
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: yard penalty, but they can still keep the player in

601
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: the game. So New York is gonna have a great

602
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: deal of influence on this new helmet rule. I sensed

603
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: a great deal of stress in his voice and certainly

604
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: concerned in his voice as he tried to explain how

605
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: all of these things will be enacted, Uh, certainly, how

606
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be called cleanly and consistently. I don't think

607
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: there's any question about that. He's got a lot of

608
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: worry about that, And so maybe I wonder if the

609
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: League wouldn't have been better off to postpone these rules

610
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: for a year to maybe give people more time to

611
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: coach it, more time to learn it. I mean, as

612
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: you said, they've only got a few months now until

613
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the season starts, and you heard Jim say preseason games

614
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: is not gonna be enough for everybody to get on

615
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: board with this. Well, that's why I think part of

616
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: the rational pol is the kickoff rule. It's going to

617
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: be implemented this year, and then based on the data

618
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that they collect, they'll determine is this permanent or do

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Speaker 1: they want to go back to some of the initial

620
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: things because the rate of injury is Jim mentioned right

621
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: before we let him go, that's the data that the

622
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: league is interested in. They're gonna see how much more

623
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: likely it is for players to get hurt on these

624
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: types of plays to determine, Okay, what is in place

625
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: is working, or are they gonna have to make further

626
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: tweaks or to his point, the extreme of completely removing

627
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: the kickoff. Can I talk as a fan for just

628
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: a second. Let's forget the headsets, forget that we're actually

629
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: doing a show. Let me just be a fan for

630
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: a second. While the kickoff is an incredibly exciting play,

631
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: it can be a dramatic game changer, especially if the

632
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: guy goes on hundred one yards for a touchdown. I

633
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: totally understand that, but I would say this if it

634
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: means players safety. As a fan, I'd be willing to

635
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: forego kickoffs and just have them start the ball at

636
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line. It's not gonna take that

637
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: much of the enjoyment of the game away from me

638
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: as a fan. That would be like taking one little

639
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: chocolate chip out of the cookie and there's still another

640
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: chocolate chips in the cookie. It's not gonna make me

641
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: starve or be hungry or feel miserable about the game

642
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: of football if they were to eliminate the kickoffs. So

643
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Speaker 1: if that's the concern, then I'm on board with those

644
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: folks who say, just forget about kicking the ball off,

645
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: spot the ball to and let's just move on. Well,

646
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. But you know, the

647
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: other part of me feels field position is so important

648
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL, especially in late game situations, Paul, where

649
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: you know you're against the clock and may not do it.

650
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: You know you have the opportunity to get to the

651
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: thirty five or the forty, and then now you just

652
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: get one major throw and you're in field goal range,

653
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: so you know that standpoint, I'd be a little bit

654
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: concerned in that spot. What's what's happening the other coaches saying,

655
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: you know what, kick the ball through the end zone

656
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: and force them to take the touchback anyway, And that's sorry.

657
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: But I get the return team is still saying, in

658
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: the chance that the execution is not there, but they

659
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: can't kick it out of the end zone, I still

660
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: want my team to have the opportunity to forward the ball.

661
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: I think Feagles would tell you that kickers are so

662
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: advanced now, and they're so strong, and they're such tremendous

663
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: athletes that if you tell a kicker you need to

664
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: kick this kickoff through the end zone to guarantee there's

665
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: no return, they're probably going to be able to do

666
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: that in their favor. I'm with you. Here's the other

667
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: side of it. Even fans included, need to take this

668
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: into consideration. If you're a player, okay, and the Union

669
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: has a big part of the influence on this ball,

670
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: now you're telling return man that they are pretty much

671
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: useless on a roster. You're you're guys who make their

672
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: bread and butter off of returning the football on kickoffs.

673
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of players. I mean, I know

674
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: Devin Hester was a receiver, but hen okay, okay, and

675
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to make adjustments. But it's just the

676
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: versatility of a player. Was the difference between being the

677
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: fifty third guy versus the fifty fourth guy or the

678
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: practice squad player. So if you remove that, not only

679
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: are you changing the game, as Jim mentioned who we

680
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: just had on, you're also changing the mindset of how

681
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: to put a roster together, how to construct that. And

682
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if the players, especially special teams players

683
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: are going to love that idea. And I'm sure they're

684
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna fight back. And you know there's different layers and

685
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: red tape in the C b A. All those things

686
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: have to be taking to consideration, and that, to me,

687
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: I think it's just as influential as the safety angle.

688
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: So trying to balance both of those factors. You know,

689
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: if you were to believe what everybody says and what

690
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: everybody wants to believe in their good heart of hearts,

691
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: the safety angle outweighs everything. And I'm with you there,

692
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: it should outweigh it, But I don't think we're all

693
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: my eve. I think we also understand that rosters and

694
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: the well being of players too, from a financial standpoint

695
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: and a roster standpoint, they feel that that's an important

696
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: factor doing. If I'm a player, Paul, you know, I

697
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: was just drafted in the league, or maybe I've got

698
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: two or three years in the league in the main

699
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: role old that my team saw me doing was to

700
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: return kickoffs. Yeah, I'd be concerned now about what type

701
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of a role I have in the NFL moving forward.

702
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I think that's certainly gotta be on the minds of players,

703
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be voicing that. Let's try out with

704
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: the fans. Think absolutely, all right, We'll give you an

705
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to way in a two three hashtag giants chat

706
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Christian is in New York, Christian, what's happening, Hey, guys.

707
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: The two of you were having a really cool conversation

708
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: about the salary cap last week, and my idea is

709
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: that it should be a lot more heavily incentive based

710
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: and give like every guy on the after like a

711
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: million to start out, and then make things like a

712
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: touchdown like very valuable already built into contracts. There's incentives

713
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: you make the Pro Bowl, you get more money. You

714
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: can reach a certain plateau in terms of statistics, you

715
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: get more money. I mean those things are already utilized

716
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: in contracts. Well, I would like to see it be

717
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: more emphasis of the deal. Um. Basically, like your bench

718
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: players would naturally make a lot less money because they're

719
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: not hitting all those benchmarks on the field. And let's

720
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: just say, you know, just throwing a number around the

721
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: touchdown would be like five hundred thousand dollars. You know,

722
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: like guys that are gonna make probably what they make

723
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: now and then more, you know, just depending on what

724
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of season they're having. And you know, basically you'd

725
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: be at like fifty three million to start out if

726
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: if you've ever won a million piece. You know, I'm

727
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: not trying to be wise to you, but here was

728
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: the problem. Then, how are you going to pay offensive

729
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: lineman who don't put up any stats? How are you

730
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: going to pay a fullback who does nothing but block

731
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: for guys all day but is a very productive and

732
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: high quality player. Yeah, they got a flat rate. And

733
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: basically what you're telling me is you want to pay

734
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: guys based on incentives, and you're going to use fantasy

735
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: football stats, to be quite frank with you, as the

736
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: bar for how much money they're going to get paid.

737
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: I I mean, I don't see any way in the

738
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: world that that holds. One I agree one Christian with Paul,

739
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: because here's another example. If what if I'm a wide receiver,

740
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm a great blocker, and I opened things up for

741
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: the running game. How do you computate that statistic? How

742
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: do I gain an incentive? Maybe I'm not getting to

743
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: six seventy catches, but you know what, I do a

744
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: hell of a job for our run game. How am

745
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I seeing any of that? Financially, It's very difficult to

746
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: go by statistics alone. To throw in incentives and contracts.

747
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: There's so many other things that players get paid for

748
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: that don't show up in the box score. If you

749
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: remove that from the negotiation, you're really going to change

750
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: the entire market in the NFL. I don't see the

751
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: players union agreeing to that. Well, what I was gonna

752
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: say is for a position like offensive line, that's kind

753
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: of the only group and the fullback to really that

754
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: can't really go racking up sets to make their money.

755
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: But my idea is that they should initially make a

756
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: little more, but then having sets allowed the duct from well,

757
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean this could go across the board though, to

758
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: a lot of positions. How do you quantify what a

759
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: defensive tackles worth is when on some teams he's supposed

760
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: to clog up people so the linebackers make the tackles,

761
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: he does the heavy lift. You know, other guys getting

762
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: on other team's defensive tackles and penetrators. Aaron Donald tries

763
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: to get sacks. So how do you how do you

764
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: tell snacks Harrison that you're much less valuable to the

765
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Giants than Aaron Donald is to the Rams when he

766
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: is a buttafied phenomenal run stopper and Donald is more

767
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: of a pass rusher. You can't you can't equate those two.

768
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. The other thing, Christian is

769
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: when you talk about free agency and guys go on

770
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: the open market, if you're telling them they started a million,

771
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: well what if what if I'm another GM and I

772
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: value the guy and you're telling me I could only

773
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: give him a million? How am I supposed to grab

774
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: a player another team? I appreciate to be creative, creative,

775
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: but theoretically there's so many holes it's like a big

776
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: chunk of Swiss cheese. You got right there. It's not

777
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna work. And and appreciate the phone called Christian, thanks

778
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in. And we did have a

779
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: detailed conversation about the salary cap. It's always interesting to

780
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: think about ways that they could change it and maybe

781
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: have a cap on specific players. But you know, the

782
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: open free market is a big part of the appeal

783
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: for the players perspective. I don't think about to give

784
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: up the open free market. Let's head back to the

785
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: phone lines we check in. Let's go to Jason and Denmark. Jason,

786
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: what's happening, Hey, what's gonna on Land? What's happened to you? Hey?

787
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: You sold my son the lands? Because that's exactly what

788
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about the kickoff about you know, players

789
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: that play special teams and song and Paul, if I

790
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: remember right, you always say if you want to get

791
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: on this roster, play special teams places, learn how to

792
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: return funds, you know, how to learn how to do kickoff.

793
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: So if they take that away, I think those guys

794
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be saying, you know, hey, that's my livelihood

795
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: right right here. Until you know I could move up

796
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: to three to two to one as a receiver or

797
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: something like that. So I think, uh, I understand safety,

798
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And more about safety now, I'm

799
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm retired from military, and all we preach was you know, um,

800
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna spend too much time on that.

801
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: But so I'll go to the first thing that we talked.

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about as far as the hits go. Um.

803
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm in Denmarks, you know, I'm watching a lot of

804
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: European football, and I remember when they started implementing rules

805
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: about you know, slide tackling. Did he go for the ball?

806
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: Did you go to the ankle? They go for the

807
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: needs And so you had a great amount of players.

808
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I won't say dirty players. I'll just say people opportunist

809
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: players that would take a dive here and there. How

810
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: likely would you think, um, with these rule changes that

811
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: you see when someone is going in for a hit,

812
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: that they would position itself in a way that makes

813
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: it look like the person lowered the head and then

814
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: that player is ejected if it's a good player. We

815
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: are human in so you know that happened. Yeah, well

816
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: this's a judgment play. So you know, the tendency for

817
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: something like that to happen is certainly always in play.

818
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: That these are judgment plays that now they're going to

819
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: apply replay too. See normally, if you keep in mind,

820
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League has shied away Paul from these

821
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: judgment type of plays and involving replay, right. But the

822
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: reason why I like the fact that replay is being

823
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: involved because sometimes to the naked eye, and this is

824
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: sort of what you're alluding to, Jason, where it appears

825
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: to be dirty, and then when you slow it down

826
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: and you look at it via replay, it's not as

827
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: bad as you thought it initially looks. So that's why

828
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm all for having replay involved here, because I don't

829
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: think guys should be thrown out of games if it

830
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: was such a bang bang play and to the naked

831
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: eye it look worse than it was. You know, does

832
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: some degree what you're talking about is, you know, what

833
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: we not only see in soccer, what we see in

834
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: the NBA when guys get Academy awards for acting and

835
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: drawing charges underneath the basket. We see that sometimes with

836
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: receivers who were trying to draw past interference flag on

837
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: the defender who was knocking the ball away from them.

838
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: You know, we see that and it's called gamesmanship in

839
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of circles. But I understand what you're saying,

840
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: because heck, they finally had to put a rule into

841
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: the NFL for punters who were taking dives to try

842
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: to draw roughing the punter penalties. And then the league

843
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: finally said, oh, this is getting ridiculous. Now, you know,

844
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: we we got to stop that. And so now that

845
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: they have, but you're right, there's gonna be a human

846
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: tendency to try to push the envelope as far as

847
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: you can, try to blur that line, try to deceive,

848
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: try to fake people out, try to cheat the rule.

849
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: That happens so often with with rules when they're implemented.

850
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: So I don't disagree with your your fear or phobia

851
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: that that will happen. I'm sure at some point that

852
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: it will. Right. And one last thing going around the

853
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: league right now is the national anthem um. Seeing that

854
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: you know the Giants, you know, our favorite team is

855
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: always Clift that you know, family business, great team to

856
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: come to, so on and so on and so on. Um,

857
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: do you think we would get ahead of the rest

858
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: of the league and making a decision on what to do. Now.

859
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into whether they should do

860
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: it or not and and all this stuff that's going on,

861
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: but just because other teams players look to us sometimes

862
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: to see what we do to base what they do

863
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: because we're such a great team and you know, and

864
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: so on. Um, do you think we will get ahead

865
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: of it and make a decision on what they should do? Well,

866
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: we got to see what happens in terms of the vote, Jason,

867
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. Until they voted on a

868
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: specific direction that they want to go, it's hard to comment.

869
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I will say this. I think the ultimate goal is

870
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: consistency in that manner. So you know, Jason, when you say,

871
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: is one team going to be the poster child for

872
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: everybody else? I don't think that's what the league is envisioning.

873
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: I think they want consistency across the board, and it's

874
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: a matter of finding a rule that can maintain that.

875
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: So there really isn't much of a gray area. And

876
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: let's head back to the lines. Coach Marvin is in Delaware.

877
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, what's happened? How you're doing? Last Paul? How

878
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: are you doing? Um? I was just listening to the

879
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: rule changes as far as tackling, and that's gonna be,

880
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna take some time to learn and teach.

881
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: And uh because in tackling, a lot of times what

882
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: we were teaching and what I taught was leverage. The

883
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: low man pretty much win when it comes to blocking

884
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: orde And you're taking that away that people like fort Net,

885
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very difficult for people to pull head

886
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: up with these guys, um the Brandon Jacobs of the

887
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: world and guy went two sixty five and running the ball,

888
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: there's a scary sight to see, especially when he lowers

889
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: his head out in open space and he lowers his head. Yeah,

890
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: And a lot of times what we I taught my

891
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: backs to keep my backs healthy. A lot of times

892
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: the game is based on angles. Sometimes I always wanted

893
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: my guys. I always told them, you don't want to

894
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: get hit, you want to get tackled. And what we

895
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: try to teach them to change the angle of the hit.

896
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: If you can see the hit or coming, you just

897
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: want to turn in a way that you don't get

898
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: the flushed hit squared up on you. And most of

899
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: the most of the time and most of the time

900
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: that that worked for my guys. Marvin, let me ask

901
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: you a question as a coach. Let me ask you

902
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: a question. And you know I didn't ask this a gym,

903
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: but it's certainly an extension. I didn't want to keep

904
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: them on for the whole show. Uh, But how would

905
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you coach up your guys on the field in a

906
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: short yardage situation? Let's call it third and inches, fourth

907
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: and inches, or better yet, a goal line situation where

908
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: we know you're just trying to nose that football a

909
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: couple of inches to get the first down or to

910
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: get the touchdown. I mean, think about this out. It's

911
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: it's fourth and gold from the one inch line. You

912
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: guys are packing it in. Guys are knocking shoulder pads,

913
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: they're knocking face masks, they're knocking helmets, and all of

914
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, now, what are you gonna do because the

915
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: league is gonna say, well, if any helmets click, we're

916
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna throw these guys out. So now, guess what. It's

917
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: fourth and gold from the one foot line, and all

918
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: the offensive linement are gonna stand up in a two

919
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: point stance because they were afraid to hit a helmet

920
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine how how would you coach that? Paul,

921
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: You're definitely right, and you should be in the meeting

922
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: with that because they thought of the same thing. Because

923
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: what happens on my defense, Let's go with the defensive

924
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: side of the ball. On the defensive side of the ball,

925
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: if they're on the gold line. A lot of time

926
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I teach my guys up up front, you're getting in

927
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: the four point stand and everything is going forward. If

928
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm on the offensive side, we closed those gaps because

929
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody shooting those gaps. The line up

930
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: in that a gap and we spaced out. Everybody's flipped

931
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: the foot. It's a type um formation and everything that's

932
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: going forward, there's no going backwards. And the strongest people,

933
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: the strongest line, is gonna win. What we always say

934
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: the front line. The teams are built from the front line,

935
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: so those are the strength, and so you're trying to

936
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: utilize that strength and dominate them up front. And that's

937
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: going straight forward, and we're not looking at where somebody's

938
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: head is or anything like that. Shortyard. It's just the

939
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: same way anything in the open field. The only problem

940
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna have in the open field. That's not short yard.

941
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: It's just how you line up. If we're gonna now

942
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: be playing in a three four, and so the guys

943
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: that are playing the five technique and then those cards

944
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: their head up on these guys, so their heads are

945
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: right on them. Unless you plan in a four three,

946
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: you've got a three technique, the one technique, and then

947
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: you have a seven technique there on the shoulders of

948
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: those guys. Maybe it's not as easy to go head

949
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: up on somebody in that manner. But there's a lot

950
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: of things that's gonna go on in the game. Trapping

951
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: when we move those linemens that are guy comes through

952
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: and that guy still the trapper. Sometimes that allowment he's

953
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep. He gotta stay low. He's not running up high,

954
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: he's staying low. So when when you're staying low, you

955
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: leave your head. You showed the scoring where your heads going. Sure, Well,

956
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: that's why I'm interested to see what the lead does

957
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: to clarify activity in the box, which is what we're

958
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: talking about right now. Because the league issued a video

959
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: with these new changes, all of the plays were outside

960
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: of the box. They had nothing to do with offensive

961
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: lineman and defensive Lineman coming and colliding with one of

962
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: the yea river Ran has come out and said, well,

963
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: applied to Lineman. But what he also which is interesting,

964
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: He addressed the media which I was referencing too earlier

965
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: in the program, and he said that when a running

966
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: back gets a handoff, and you know how running backs

967
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: have the tendency they lower their shoulders, they lower their head.

968
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: He said, that's an exception. That's you're not going to

969
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: be penalized for that. And he also said when a

970
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: quarterback runs out of the pocket, and you know how

971
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: they normally go up the sideline and then at last

972
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: second they try to absorb the contact, they may put

973
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: their helmet down and they may put their hands shoulder down.

974
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: Said that's also an exception and that won't count against

975
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: these rules. So that's what I said. I want to

976
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: see a little bit more clarification between in the box

977
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: versus outside of the box type of activity, because I've

978
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: heard mixed signals. You know, if you're not going to

979
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: call the running back when he grabs the ball and

980
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: lowers his and he's going up all the time, Marvin's

981
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: gonna tell you he's telling his defensive player to get

982
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: lower than that running back and I can't. And so

983
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: now that defensive player is going to get the penalty.

984
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: I find it very difficult to believe that they're going

985
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: to penalize those type of plays. We'll see very difficult.

986
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: The other scenario, what you're saying a lance and I

987
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, But what happens when you're on

988
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: the outside, that he hits that outside in the corners

989
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: on the outside, but that safety is bearing down on him.

990
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: You got to lower yourself and get skinny, so your

991
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: target is not a big So how do you do that?

992
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: He gets low And I'm and I'm with you, and

993
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: I completely understand. But that to me would classify as

994
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: now the penalty range. Because if you're saying, if the

995
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: running back by that time, let's say he gets off

996
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: a sweep coach and he moves towards the right and

997
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: then the safety is coming down. To me, that's open

998
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: season for the penalty to be called. If that safety

999
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: lowers his helmet and does not position himself where he

1000
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: could have avoided that type of contact, that I don't know.

1001
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a same. Same thing goes if

1002
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: if the running back is off the sweep outside of

1003
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: the box and he's running up the sideline. I think

1004
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: he's also putting himself at risker penalty as well. Marvin,

1005
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: I want to get to the calls here, but I

1006
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: want to get your real quick answer. Do you want

1007
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: them to see the end of kickoffs? As as a

1008
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: guy who's done a lot of years of youth football,

1009
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: would that be something that in the interest of safety,

1010
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: you'd be willing to give up out of the game

1011
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: real quick, Because I know people are on the real

1012
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: thing that I gotta I got a solution a little

1013
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: bit for that's being said for years, they've been talking

1014
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: about this. I'd like to kickoff because I have game

1015
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: plans in those kickoffs, like I think Lance was talking

1016
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: about it earlier, the situations that you need that ball back.

1017
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: There's situations where we do dead ball kicks where I

1018
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: can get a shot at recovering those balls, and as

1019
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: times I want to kick it deep and get them

1020
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: down there. But I think what it might be the

1021
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: problem is, look that I heard this years ago. These

1022
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: guys are getting bigger, these guys are getting faster, and

1023
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: this what's not getting bigger. The field is not getting bigger.

1024
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: The field is the same size as it was the Eager.

1025
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: So if you can expand the field sped to the

1026
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: other a little more, maybe we won't have these quick

1027
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: collisions because a lot of times the impact kicks that

1028
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: are in small spaces, but if you're in the open field.

1029
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: Majority of the time, in open fields, you gotta tackle

1030
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: a guy because he's gonna get away if you're trying

1031
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: to hear see you coming, so you gotta you gotta

1032
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: use your hands, grab him, hold and do whatever you

1033
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: have to. Dude, you're drag him down. It's not as

1034
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: many close hits. So when I was coaching problem Wanted.

1035
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: The field is huge to these kids, so people get

1036
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: worried about top Warner. It's nothing really to worry about

1037
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: because the hits are not the field is too big.

1038
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: All right, coach, I'm gonna give you all hurt. I

1039
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: want to give you a homework assignment before you call

1040
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: us back next time, okay. In I want to give

1041
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: you a homework assignment before you call us back the

1042
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: next time, okay, in the interest of strategy. And I

1043
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: appreciate what you just said about the strategy for a

1044
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: kickoff and that sometimes you're trying to get the ball back.

1045
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: If they were to abolish kickoffs, how would you now

1046
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: enact a nuance sides kick? When you are down by

1047
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: two scores, you get at the lake touchdown, and now

1048
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: you no longer have an on side kick. So what

1049
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: rule could you come up with? That's a homework assignment.

1050
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: What rule could you come up with so that the

1051
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: trailing team still has some sense of an opportunity to

1052
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: get that ball back? Thanks? Mom, appreciate the phone call.

1053
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for let's say you got it? Said

1054
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: back to the phone line's got Nigel and Maryland. Nigel,

1055
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: what's happened? Good afternoon, gentlemen, Good afternoon. I'll be really

1056
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: quick too. Poor question both about special teams. Um, I

1057
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: sent it. I sent it tweet actually to you guys

1058
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: earlier today so you might see it on your seat,

1059
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: but I decided to call in about it. Um. The

1060
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: big talk, obviously is the big ticket acquisitions through the

1061
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: drafts and things like that, regarding our offense and our

1062
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: defense obviously, but my I won't say, I don't want

1063
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: to know, if I don't know, if I should use

1064
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: the word concerned. But what I'm looking at is a

1065
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: specially special teams because um, we made some solid signings

1066
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: in regards to the special team. Addressing the special teams,

1067
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: but I mean the punter, Okay, we have a new punter,

1068
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: unproven kicker. We don't know who the kick returner is

1069
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: as yet, punt returner as of yet. I mean outside

1070
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: of Diace. I mean, I really don't know what's gonna

1071
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: be going on with the special teams. I know it's

1072
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna all be hashed out, but I mean that's what

1073
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm really looking because those are the were a lot

1074
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: of the hidden yardage and and and in terms of

1075
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: field position and flipping field and things of that nature.

1076
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean shank pun punk punts and miss field goals

1077
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: and and fair catches and nor returns and you know

1078
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: all that effects that that affects wins and losses as well. Well.

1079
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think there is uncertainty in

1080
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: terms of who's going to ultimately win those rules, Nigel,

1081
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's as much uncertainty in terms

1082
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: of not having options. And what I mean by that is,

1083
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: you know they have Beckham, They've got se Kwon who

1084
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: they just brought in, Sterling Shepherd, you know, Cody Lattimer,

1085
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd. I just named your five guys that have

1086
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: experienced returning, whether it be punts or kickoff, So there's

1087
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: competition there for them to rotate and utilize some of

1088
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: those personnel. And here's another player that a lot of

1089
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: people are not talking about who they brought in, and

1090
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about from a coverage standpoint, what I think

1091
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: he could do. The safety they brought in from Miami Dolphins,

1092
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: Mike Thoas Mike Thomas, I think he's going to be

1093
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: a nice addition on special teams as well. You know,

1094
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I think right now, in addition to all the other

1095
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: areas of special teams to me, Aldre Grossas has to

1096
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: get his act together. And that I mean that's points.

1097
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: His foot equals points. Um. We could talk all about

1098
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: the other things. Field positions critical I agree with, but

1099
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: points are points, okay, because you can't recover from a

1100
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: missfield goal. Those are points that are left off the board.

1101
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: And and rosas whether or not it's you know, it's

1102
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna be Rico or it's gonna be um uh, Who's

1103
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: who's the kicker that's in NOWSA? Rico? Yeah, I'm Rico

1104
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: was the partner who they like go, whether or not

1105
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: it's him or it's gonna be a veteran, there's gotta

1106
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: be competition and and the best man's gotta win, and

1107
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: that guy better be consistent and reliable because this Giant's

1108
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: team is not going to blow people away to where

1109
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: a missfield goal will be inconsequential. They're gonna need every

1110
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to score points and they're gonna have to cash

1111
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: in on every opportunity if they're going to get themselves

1112
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: back in the heart. Yeah, agreed, agreed, And the last

1113
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: point really quick, I'll take it off. There is basically

1114
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: in regards to this whole taking away the kick off

1115
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: and things of that nature, and in the strategy regarding

1116
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: on side kicks, and not just that, the not dynamic

1117
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: of your team. I mean, where will the Matthew Slaters

1118
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: and the Hurstlicks in the future. Will they be able

1119
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: to make rosters and stay on rosters without earning their

1120
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: keep on special teams? And thanks for the thanks for

1121
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: taking my call, guys, thank you, And that was the

1122
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: point that I brought up earlier. You're now all of

1123
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: a sudden inspecting the livelihood of players that had specific roles,

1124
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: limited rules and That's why they hammered out roster spots. Now,

1125
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: if you eliminate that component of the game, where is

1126
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: there a place for those layers. So that's conversation. Punts

1127
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: is still going to be part of the deal, and

1128
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: you will need a part returner. You will need guys

1129
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: who help cover junits on the part return snap the

1130
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: ball to Okay, the long snapper is still gonna be there.

1131
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: The gunners are still gonna be there to try to

1132
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: get down in coverage, you know. I mean, there's just

1133
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be as maybe as many. There won't be

1134
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: as many, but which means but there still will be

1135
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: special team, there will be there's still field goal block

1136
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: correct and there's still there's still the p A T.

1137
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, I mean it exists. They do exist. It's

1138
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: just limited reps and limited opportunities players. And if you're

1139
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: an executive, I think you have to say to yourself,

1140
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: for example, I'll use Zacti Assie, who remember was drafted

1141
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: as a linebacker. I know we only utilize him and

1142
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: look at him as a long snapper, but he was

1143
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: drafted as a linebacker. I think you're gonna be more

1144
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: prone to say to yourself now, the risk of injuries

1145
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: going up Paul too, but keeping a linebacker who can

1146
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: also be my long snapper. And what I mean by

1147
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: that linebacker that's going to be a backup linebacker or

1148
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: could very well be a guy I rotated based on

1149
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: passing downs or running downs. You're gonna want to think

1150
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: about that because you want to want to maximize the

1151
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: positions of your rosters. There point that I think does

1152
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: change the conversation. All right, let's head back to the

1153
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: phone lines, and now we go to Charlie in Portland, Maine.

1154
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 1: I guess this does not hold true where we saved

1155
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: the best for last on today's program. How do hey, guys,

1156
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a nightmare? My god, phone call,

1157
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: your phone call. Okay, I got things. Blot Check has

1158
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: already uh contracted the actors studio to figure out how

1159
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: he can teach everyone to to uh, you know, be

1160
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: the best actors on this head down things so we

1161
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: can get play is thrown out. That's one thing they're

1162
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: going to try to go beyond the rules. And the

1163
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: other thing is is that, look, why doesn't this league

1164
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: you've got fifty three men rosters, allow the fifty three

1165
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: to suit up for every game. If you're gonna be

1166
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: throwing people out left and right, just like the ref said,

1167
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: you've got to have more people on the team. So

1168
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: if you've got fifty three man roster, the stupid NFL

1169
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: should allow them to suit up fifty three people. It

1170
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense to have seven people sit

1171
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: out unless they're injured. And what you can do too,

1172
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: if you've got five people injured, you can bring up

1173
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: five people from your practice squad and allowed them to

1174
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: come in and be on the fifty three with no

1175
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: penalty going back to the practice squad the week later.

1176
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this's just common sense stuff. Kickoff, Why don't

1177
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: they do this? Why doesn't the kickoff team, you know,

1178
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: instead of being ten yards back or twenty yards back,

1179
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: be right up on the line of scrimmage with the

1180
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: team kicking off that way, they don't get the running

1181
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: start would be just like a field goal. Are removing

1182
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: the running start, though, and they're taking that out what

1183
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: you're recommending, they're actually doing. There is no more a

1184
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: running start, and they're making sure that guys are aligned

1185
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: the specific way to prevent additional contact by picking up speed.

1186
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: That's scary. Charlie the league is kind of on board

1187
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: with you, I know. And what's also scary is I

1188
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: actually like his idea about all fifty three guys should

1189
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to address. I think from a common

1190
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: sense standpoint, Paul, it does make okay. Actually, I'll tell

1191
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: you I had a discussion some years ago with a

1192
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: GM about that, because I'm one who does believe that

1193
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: there should be more freedom of movement with the practice

1194
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: squad players, because we have too many situations with teams

1195
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: being shorthanded or too many guys who are out because

1196
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: of injury, and it's like, why can't you replace them?

1197
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem to be right to me. So

1198
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: I've been arguing this now for years, Charlie. But I

1199
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: will say this, the reason I was told that they

1200
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: do it the way they do it is because they

1201
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: understand that every single week, if you tell a team

1202
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: that you can put all your fifty three players into

1203
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: active duty on Sunday, you will have inequities because in

1204
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: each of those matchups, there's probably gonna be at least

1205
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: one team that doesn't have a full fifty three guys healthy.

1206
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: And this, of course, this is okay now, but this

1207
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: is this is why the rule is in place now

1208
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: as it is, because what they're saying is it's unfair

1209
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: if one team has fifty three and the other team

1210
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: has fifty. So you're countering and saying, well, let's have

1211
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: freedom of movement with practice squad guys, which is what

1212
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: I have advocated for years and was told can't do

1213
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: that because the Players Union doesn't want that. What you

1214
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: have then is the Players Union gripes because they'll say

1215
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: that you're holding onto cheap labor. Is that you're gonna

1216
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: take these practice squad guys, you bring them up for

1217
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: just a week, then you throw them back and you're

1218
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna be dilly dallying with these guys like a yo yo,

1219
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be cheap labor, and they're gonna be

1220
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: jerked around. Well, and they would have to change the

1221
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: rule though, Well, I'll let you continue, Charlie. You know,

1222
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: it's an interesting point you brought up, Paul, because right now,

1223
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: if I take a guy from the practice squad, I

1224
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: put him up on the fifty three man roster, I

1225
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: have to make your corresponding to you what I think

1226
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Well, and but here's the other thing. I

1227
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: then after the game. To your point, I can't just

1228
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: freely move him back down. I have to put in

1229
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: a waiver. Right he may get claimed. I'm not guaranteed

1230
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: to come back to my See what I would do?

1231
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: You want to what I would do, Charlie, Here's what

1232
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make your life good because

1233
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you exactly what I've been asking for

1234
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: for years. I bought a front office people and said,

1235
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: this is the way the rule needs to be constructed.

1236
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Freedom of movement for all practice squad players at any time.

1237
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: They then get a per game bump up when they're

1238
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: on the fifty three, and then of course can be

1239
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: free to move back to the practice squad if a

1240
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: team wants to, and then they go back to their

1241
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: practice squads alary. The only time that you can do

1242
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: this is if an independent medical arbitrator, for instance, in

1243
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: a concussion situation comes in. So you don't have chicanery

1244
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: with a team saying, oh, my guy says he's got

1245
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: a concussion, I just want to get the practice squad

1246
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: guy up this week. No, you have to have a

1247
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: legitimate independent medical guy that says we are requesting a

1248
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: exception for one of our active fifty three. Okay, that

1249
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: exception can be requested by let's say Thursday, during the week.

1250
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: The team then has freedom of movement to put him

1251
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: on the exception list so that you don't lose rights

1252
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: to him. You don't have to put him on IR.

1253
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: He goes to the exception list, then you get the

1254
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: freedom of movement for the practice squad guy to come on.

1255
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: He can practice for two days, he can get in

1256
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: the game, and then on Monday, you got to make

1257
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: another decision. Does the practice squad guys stay for another

1258
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: week or do you get to put your exception guy

1259
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: back onto the fifty three and put your practice squad

1260
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: guy back to the practice squad. Did I not solve

1261
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: your problem, Charlie, Yeah, Well, that's that's what I've been

1262
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: talking about it. I mean, you need to play. You

1263
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: got them, you can get it. And I don't know

1264
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 1: why the Players Association wouldn't want that. They would want

1265
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: They don't, Charlie. They don't want that because they think

1266
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: that you're artificially tying up opportunities for practice squad guys.

1267
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: They want those practice squad guys once they get called up,

1268
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: they want them to be able to collect the full

1269
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: NFL salaries they don't want and they want them to

1270
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: pass to waivers because then they want other teams. You

1271
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: may have a chance to put them on their fifty

1272
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: three to go get them and give them the the

1273
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: NFL salary list. That's why. But they can they could

1274
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: keep those rules, please, they could. They can keep Charlie.

1275
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: They could keep those rules in place, though, and then

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Speaker 1: you just add new guys to the practice squad, which

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Speaker 1: happens more often than not anyway during the courses. Could

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Speaker 1: be a compromise. I've been after this for years, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't listening, and it's just going to be so complicate.

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Speaker 1: They're unless they you know, I mean, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be up left and right. Well, I mean, I see

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Speaker 1: you go to the extreme, and we're gonna let you

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Speaker 1: go on. Matt. Note, the one thing, the one thing

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Speaker 1: I want to emphasize and appreciate the phone call. And

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Speaker 1: I say that very lightly and loosely. Actually, we're going

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Speaker 1: over by the way because we had no audio at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of our program, so we want to give

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Speaker 1: you a full hour on the podcast. So this will

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Speaker 1: be our last part of the conversation. And we'll sign off.

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Speaker 1: But I think the overreaction to this new helmet rule,

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Speaker 1: Paul is that, oh, they're gonna be throwing guys off

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Speaker 1: the field and out of the game left and right.

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Speaker 1: I I think that's the quick knee jerk type of reaction.

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Speaker 1: The good news is, as I mentioned, with New York

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Speaker 1: looking things over, Let's say the ref rules on the

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Speaker 1: field that was an ejection worthy hit. New York is

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Speaker 1: then gonna have an opportunity to way in and New

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Speaker 1: York is gonna have to agree with the viewpoint of

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Speaker 1: the official on the field, and New York can then

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Speaker 1: overturn the viewpoint of the official on the field, and

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Speaker 1: the player could then very well remain in the game.

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Speaker 1: So you have sort of checks and balances, is my point.

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Speaker 1: It's not as if the officials gonna have a quick

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Speaker 1: trigger guys out of the game and then that's it.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I like the fact that New York

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Speaker 1: is taking a look at in and I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to prevent the fears of perhaps the Charlie's or

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Speaker 1: the world we're always on a bubble in an island

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Speaker 1: all by themselves, that they think, you know, five or

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Speaker 1: six guys are gonna be constantly thrown out of games.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get to that point. I

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Speaker 1: think this is just to protect the extreme circumstances where

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Speaker 1: a guy literally had all the other options in the

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Speaker 1: world pull to avoid contact, to get out of the way,

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Speaker 1: and he clearly went helmet to helmet to lay out

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Speaker 1: a player. And we've seen that at times. But those

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Speaker 1: are not even happening every single circumstance throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of game. So I think that would be the big

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Speaker 1: extreme if we get to that point. I just simply

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Speaker 1: think that any time you start asking for more gray

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Speaker 1: area and more judgment calls, you're going to create difficulties

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Speaker 1: for all of the officials, whether or not there replay

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Speaker 1: guys or otherwise. I think we're muddying things up when

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Speaker 1: you start putting judgment calls into the rule book. That's

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Speaker 1: my problem. Well, and I get that. That's why if

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Speaker 1: you are going to prove upon replay and you want

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Speaker 1: to expand replay, it should definitely be used for judgment

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Speaker 1: calls that may enter the gray area. And you're having

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Speaker 1: two voices. Now you're having the officials viewpoint, and you're

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Speaker 1: having new York's viewpoint, and both of them would have

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Speaker 1: to be in line with one another for a player

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Speaker 1: to be ejected. That I think is a nice safeguard

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Speaker 1: in place if you're gonna throw gray areas into replay.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not necessarily overly concerned that there's

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Speaker 1: out constantly. With that being said, certainly appreciate all the

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Speaker 1: phone calls, all the tweets. We want to thank Jim

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Speaker 1: Dayopolis for joining us earlier in the program from our

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Speaker 1: NFL official for trying to clarify and giving his two

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Speaker 1: cents on how these new rules will be impacting the game.

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live up and running tomorrow noon Eastern,

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Speaker 1: and that is gonna be it for the week because

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Speaker 1: it's a holiday weekend. There will be no show on Friday,

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Speaker 1: and there's no show on Monday, so we will then

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Speaker 1: be back up and running on Tuesday of next week.

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Speaker 1: That's the next O t A with media availabilities indeed,

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Speaker 1: all right, So that's the layout of the land, the schedule.

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Speaker 1: Have a very pleasant holiday weekend for Paul to Tino.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. We'll speak to you next week right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. Have a go one