WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: More Trade Debates 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:23.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.560 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.880 ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.200 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:43.559 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.640 It is Thursday October thirty, first, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.800 episode number seven. You want to share? You want to 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.880 share something with the Cloud? I do? It was actually 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.600 something I just noticed on Twitter on the cover for 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.000 account where one of our producers, Caden Gates. Oh yeah, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.880 I decided that he was going to dress up as 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.639 our own Dave helmets. Pretty good, right, He nailed nailed 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.320 it the way he walks in with the like the handling, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.120 like what what do you want? Oh? Yeah, that was 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.760 it was so the bear the beard was a little 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.480 too long, but I mean he probably bought it at Target, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.160 so no beggars can't be chased. So it's so great. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.920 He did a great Oh he did, he did. There's 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.400 a video of him doing the eyebrow rub. Nice. He 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.680 really good, really good work. If you got if you 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.080 haven't seen any. Go checkout cover four shout out to Titter, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.360 you'll see the video. I think Taylor retweetered, does anybody 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.080 jumping out or anything we're doing that? No. I was 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.120 trying to think of something, anything that could come up 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.560 with for Halloween that we could do, and me and 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.680 Nick we're talking about it last night and we came 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.800 away with basically, Amber's gonna be unaffected by it, and Dave, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.520 we really don't feel like it's a good idea to 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.240 do this to him again after that last time. I 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.920 didn't like it, So we were because I was thinking, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.600 can we have somebody like back there that if we 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.920 got you to turn around, would just completely freak you out? 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.080 But I couldn't think of anything. You'd turn around and 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.680 see yourself and the reflections. So I don't know. Maybe 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.160 I'm pretty I'm a pretty chill guy, but I don't 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.920 like when stuff pops up in my face. It's not 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.440 a good feeling. Yeah, if you if you miss that 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:10.959 was last year or year before. I think it was 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.440 two years year. Two years ago we had Shannon jump 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.920 out it from under here at Dave. Of course we 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.320 have talking cowboys sitting there, so you'd be there the 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.800 whole time. I think I think it was Kelsey Charles. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.440 Somebody was asking me the other day, like, let's go 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.520 to a haunted house. I was like, absolutely not. Why 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.840 would I pay somebody to do that? It's the worst? 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.760 Are you just scary like that? Like you just like 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.720 don't like stuff popping out at me? It's not I 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.400 don't know. I don't like the way that feels. No, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.160 thank you, happy, happy Halloween. Well we're not doing that 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.799 to you today. Thank you. So what happened? Though It's 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.080 been two years, but I still haven't forgotten you? Didn't 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:51.600 she was just for the sake of getting She did 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.000 look kind of like this, like I'm not how old 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.320 are you? Like? How old is shining to be hiding 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.480 underneath the desk? Sorry? Mom? Too old? All right, let's 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.200 jump in. We got a couple of things we want 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.280 to hit today. Nick's gonna tell us a little bit 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.280 about his New York Giants storylines for the week, and 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.519 we're gonna have Dave get into this New York Giant defense. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.880 Tell us about that defense. I know we talked about 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.440 the offense yesterday. Seems like they're all world So let's 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.600 tell we'll talk about the defense defense a little bit. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.000 I've been figuring out how they are as say they 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.680 were all world. Let's start first with those storylines though. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.440 Nick walk us through some of the storylines this week 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.239 for the New York Giants. All right, well, the Giants 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.080 are gonna they're bringing in Leonard Williams. He just moves 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.760 from one lone room to the other from the Jets. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.760 He's h we'll talk about how he fits into that defense. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.000 But you know, they they kind of had one way 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.839 to go. You know, it's kind of like baseball now 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.760 with the trade deadline. You decide are you gonna go 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.760 in or you're gonna do nothing, or are you gonna 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.640 go backwards? And you know, the Giants and another point 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.560 that I had, they had three names on there that 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.720 people were talking about maybe trading for alec Ogletree. They're 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.840 linebacker Nate Soldiers, a tackle and I'm missing another guy 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.560 um that they oh Jenner Orris Jenkins. They decided not 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.640 to do anything there, and then they went the other 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.920 way and got Leonard Williams. So they're not giving up 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.640 on the season there, two and six, but they're not 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.760 giving up on trying to win and get better, and 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.200 I think it went out. Yeah. True, and they got 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.600 hot last year if you remember, or they got warmer 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.640 last year. So the fact they made a move and 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.400 didn't make a move, those are a couple of things. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.320 They're obviously this team looks different, you know, which I 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.280 don't want to cut your off ahead. I just they 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.120 asked me about that on the radio today. They're like, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.080 well the Giants. The Giants stood pad and they added 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.359 Leonard Williams. Like they doesn't seem like they're giving up 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.359 on the season. And I was like, well, even if 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.840 they even if they don't think they're going anywhere this year, Like, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.880 I don't think this team is that far away from 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.760 being good, right, Like assuming Daniel Jones is good, which 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.880 is obviously the big if in the whole thing, but 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.240 like you look around the rest of that roster, Like 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.120 the offensive line has been much better Soldiers there for 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.520 he's got a few years on it is the old 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.320 They drafted her Nandez. They got good offensive lineman. They 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.279 obviously have a generational running back Ingram's good, Shepherd's good. Barkley, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.200 I already said, Barkley, He's amazing. They have talent in 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.200 the secondary. They drafted DeAndre Baker this year. Genor Jenkins 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:12.880 is not as great as it used to be, but 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.400 still good. They need help in the front seven, like 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.960 big Time, and the defensive they have to now rebuild, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.760 so this is not I don't even think of the 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.400 Leonard Williams move as a they're not giving up on 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.080 the season. I look at it as this is a 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.760 young team that's trying to rebuild, and this becomes a 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.480 cog in that rebise. Yeah, they gave away a third 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.640 and a fifth, but they they've been getting a lot 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.719 of picks for some of these moves they made. If 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.520 I were the Giants, I would try to look at 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.839 this year like the two sixteen Eagles at a rookie 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.200 quarterback they got. They struggled early, but they kept playing, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.120 they got better. They had a big win at the 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.320 end of the year for momentum sake. They go into 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.520 seventeen and win the Super Bowl. That's a great point. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.520 And I just if Daniel Jones is good, which we 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.159 don't know if he is, but if he is, I 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.279 don't think this team's very far away from being pretty scary. Yeah. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.160 Fortunately they're not there right now, though, and that's what's 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.160 important to the Dallas Football Cowboys. The next point I 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.040 was making was just how different they are, I mean 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.880 than the week one. Usually you season one, week one, 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.520 week nine there, you know it's about the same, But 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.480 not so with Daniel Jones. We talked about that some yesterday. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.119 Another storyline going out for them is just the fact 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.760 that their receivers are getting healthy. We talked about that 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.960 some yesterday with this will be the first time that 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.720 Shepherd and if he's cleared. He hasn't been cleared yet, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:31.000 but Sterling Shepherd and Golden Tate out there together, that'll 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.880 be even better with with Daniel Jones, who likes to 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.560 throw it down the field. And then I talked about 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.719 sa Quon Barkley. I looked up the stat This is 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.320 kind of interesting, goes this goes back to in twenty 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.160 five years nineteen. Since nineteen ninety four, there's only se 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.159 Quon Barkley is the only player to ever rush for 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.120 have two fifty yard rushers or more against the Cowboys. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.800 There's been seven or eight other guys, but he's the 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.600 only guy to do it more than once. And he's 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.000 done it in the last two games actually, so you know, 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.760 his average of every time he's facing the Cowboys, got 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.080 fifty nine and a sixty eight yard or so. Not 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.080 too many guys have gone fifty yard rushers against the Cowboys. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.040 He's actually done it twice, So it's good stay always 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.680 always gotta watch him, for sure. And it would have 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.920 been longer if Cheeto wasn't running twenty five miles an hour. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.280 And the thing that probably is should be a little 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.600 bit scary for the Cowboys this week is that when 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.640 he was doing that in that last game, he had 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.040 a really good game. Their passing game just wasn't doing 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.000 very much. And now, like you said, the thing about 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.280 Daniel Jones is it's kind of two different guys right now. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.760 Some games he shows up and plays really well because 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.160 he limits the turnovers. Some games, him playing well is 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.520 derailed by the fact that he's turning it over. If 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.080 he has one of those games where he doesn't turn 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.840 it over, they could be a really good offense and 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.680 that could be a problem for the Cowboys. And so 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.000 you got the same thing with the Cowboys and their team. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.720 They're kind of two different, two different teams. Anytime they 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.280 play somebody else, you don't know which kind of Cowboys 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.480 defense you're gonna get So maybe that's something that balances 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 out the game and makes it a harder one, rather 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.800 than you thinking that this is just going to be 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.160 a quick, easy game for the Cowboys. Yeah, not a 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.480 quick eas I don't think as Bill Parcels used to 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.960 always say, there's two sides of that pancake. So when 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.760 when the Gilliants, I don't know. He used to have 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.760 all these phrases and we still use them. I'm just 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.480 so enamored. I'm enamored by the idea of the Cowboys 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.720 head coach saying a bunch of quirky interesting things. Okay, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.560 it used to be the best part of my day 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.000 every Monday, what's that like? Wednesday, Thursday and Friday was 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.000 listening to Bill Parcels and press conferences. It was so 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.480 much fun. Go ahead, Sorry. My point was is that, yes, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.800 he throws the ball down the field more more than 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.320 Eli Manning. What was the thing about Eli Manning that 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.240 was always hard to do? Get him on the ground 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.880 because he gets the ball out quick, so you don't 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.040 throw the ball deep. You have to wait a little bit, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.600 a couple of seconds more. Now they got Michael Bennett, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.360 you got Quinn, you got d law. So if you're 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.040 holding the ball just a little bit longer to get 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.880 your guys down the field, that's also a situation where 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.680 you can get more sacks more than they used to. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.120 So yeah, you might give up more big plays or 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.200 have to watch that more. You also might get more 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.720 sacks and turnovers because of it. I thought about this 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.800 after the show yesterday, which it's and I don't know. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.319 I don't want to. I don't know Eli Manning's headspace. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.360 He doesn't seem like the type of guy that cares 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.640 about stats more than anything else. But I think it's interesting, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.920 Like Daniel Jones is like the classic rookie who doesn't 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.000 know what he doesn't know, where as Eli is this 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.360 fifteen year vet who's he's like, I gotta get the 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.400 ball out or I gotta get down because I can't 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.560 be taking sacks like this, And whether he's thinking about 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.680 it or not, it's still a narrative that's like, well 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.160 he's he's one fifty and one fifty, you know, like 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.160 if he loses this game, then his what's his legacy 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.160 and like all that big heavy stuff, Whereas Daniel Jones 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.040 is like, this is my fifth start for a bad team. Like, 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.800 let's just go out here and wing it around, like 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.600 and this is a bad team, so there's not much 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.040 in the way of expectation on him, at least relative 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.560 to other top ten picks. And I think that can 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.600 work in the cowboys favor or it can work against him, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.800 because I think he's just gonna go out there and 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.880 play ball, like he'll extend plays, he'll throw it down. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.200 Feel like, who cares if I throw four picks because 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.199 we're two and six anyway, and we're just trying to 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 learn about this team. So, like I said, it can 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.679 hurt the Cowboys if they don't play well, but this 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.760 could be another situation where they get three four takeaways, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.560 because I think this is a completely different animal at 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.920 quarterback who's, like I said, he doesn't know what he 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.520 doesn't know. He's not afraid to go out there and 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.679 do stuff. That's also the challenge of this thing is 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.880 that whenever it was what you were talking about before 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.800 and you said the Giants aren't that far off, whenever 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.160 this thing starts to click, and what I mean by 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.760 that is whenever he gets to the point where he 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.680 realizes what he can do and when is the time 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.280 to do it? When is the time to take that 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.319 chance versus not like that's when this offense can then 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.880 really start to take off, because again I think they 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.360 got weapons, especially on the offensive side of all the defenses. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.280 Their issue and we'll talk about that in the next segment, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.920 but their offense has weapons, and whenever the quarterback figures 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.560 out how to be able to go down feel but 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.880 do it at the time when you can actually afford 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.719 to wait a little bit longer, and the rest of 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.120 the time dump it off to that guy that's underneath 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.679 that can get you five six, seven yards and not 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.240 take the set. That's when this becomes very very dangerous offense. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.760 And I think I agree with you. I don't think 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.800 they're very far from them. You know, we talked about Parcels. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.200 You remember the game when part two thousand and three. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.559 I don't know what you guys were doing in two 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.080 thousand and three, seventh grade awesome, but working for the Cowboys. Yeah, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.160 but Bill Parcels his first game on the road, it 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.440 was at the Giants. It was a Monday night game 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.080 and they made seven field goals and came back and won. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.240 It was it was a pretty crazy game. His first 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.760 win with the Cowboys. That's that's the last time they 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.840 faced the Giants up there without Elias the starter. It 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.079 just goes yes, because and he did start at the 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.199 end of the O four season, and he started every game, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.240 and even though he was benched in seventeen or six 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.880 eighteen last year, right or what, No, it was, it 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.200 was what's his name's last year. I don't even Macado. Yeah, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.920 so it was seven whatever, somebody somebody started, but then 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.559 he came back in and started forever. So he say 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.040 it like that he's old. Yeah, geez, yeah, And you know, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.640 you can say what you want about him and the 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.080 faces he makes and all that he gets up and plays. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.400 I mean he's been I mean he's for a guy 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.800 that's not very elusive, he's found a way to not 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.559 take big hits, and you know he's the backup now. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.040 But it's just it's this will be the first time 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.640 they've gone up there and shoot sixteen years and not 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.960 faced him. That's wild. All right, we're gonna take our 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.280 first break comeback. We'll get Dave talk to us about 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.520 this New York Giant defense breakdown, what players are there 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.800 and how they could possibly be problems for the Cowboys. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.560 That when we come back. 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Back to the Break, Welcome back, second 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.000 segment of The Break Live in the SWBC Mortgage studios 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.960 at the Star Dave, let's talk about this Giants defense. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.760 We talked about the offense yesterday and we've already earlier 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.000 parts of this show talked about how much this offense 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.800 is kind of starting to take shape and you're seeing 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.080 the growth. Talk about the defense though, because that was 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.160 an area where they also lost some players last year 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.400 they let they traded some players away. Where are they 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.200 right now as a defense? Well, they did add Leonard Williams, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.000 and that's I mean, he's a top five talent that's 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.440 worth considering. And I would say, you know, I'm so 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.880 used to like even it's so weird how and I 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.880 bet Nick can relate to the It's like these things 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.000 just imprint themselves in your mind, Like the Giants play 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.880 four three and have badass defensive ends Like that hasn't 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.800 been the case in a long time, but that's still 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.600 how I think. Like, so they trade for Leonard Williams 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.280 and I'm like, well, is he gonna play three tech 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.120 or end in this defense? And then I was like, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.000 the Giants play three four idiot, Like, he'll probably play 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.080 the exact same spot. So I'm interested to see how 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.200 that goes. Um, they're They're not very good. Statistically, they're 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.040 twenty eighth in the league three eighty seven seven yards 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.800 per game. They're worse against the past than the run. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.440 But I would argue like the talent is all actually 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.640 in their secondary and I think their big problem is 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.440 just their front seven is not it's not good enough. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.760 Their their talent devoid there um they do. They have 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.680 Dalvin Tomlinson and Dexter Lawrence. They spent their other first 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.880 round pick aside from Daniel Jones on him. You know, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.920 three four linemen out of Clemson, So honestly, good play Well, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.760 it's all sort of it's kind of the pieces are 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.240 kind of moving into place. Like you've got Dexter Lawrence. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.680 Leonard Williams will be on the other side. If you 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.880 can resign him. That's the hell of a book end. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.960 Dalvin Tomlinson is I don't know if he's Snacks Harrison, 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.360 but he's a pretty solid nose tackle. So all of 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.960 a sudden, that looks nice. These linebackers, though, to get 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.920 the pressure in the three four, that's where it's a problem, right, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.880 And I mean it was a problem for them in 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.520 Week one. They could not do anything with the Cowboys 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.360 offensive line and dak ate them alive what he hit 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.400 four hundred yards. You know, we thought he was going 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.200 to break all of the you know, he will throw 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.480 for five thousand yards off the strength of that first game, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.840 and it's not any different. Like they haven't really changed 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.440 the personnel there. They have Marcus Golden, Lorenzo Carter as 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.600 the rush linebackers, alec Ogletree and Dion Buchanan, which Dion 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.440 Buchanan's a former safety tweener guy that they got playing 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.720 inside linebacker in a three four. So that's you know, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.320 like the stats will tell you that the secondary's terrible. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.000 I would argue they their front seven just does the 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.000 no favors because I mean Jenris Jenkins, DeAndre Baker, another 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.240 first round pick, Jabrill Pepper's Antoine. But they who's getting 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.280 older but has had a nice career like that, that 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.879 seems fine to me, Like I don't I don't dislike 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.679 that at all, But they're not generating any pressure. Last 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.960 last time around, Tyrant Smith and Lyle Collins eight, Golden 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.120 and Carter alive, and like I expect it to happen again. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.280 I just don't think they're those guys. And that's where 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.719 all my focus is I'm just like, if if the 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.760 Giants are getting a ton of pressure on Deck in 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.480 this game, something's up, because I just don't think I 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.359 see it unless Leonard Williams is all of a sudden 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.760 that amazing in a position that doesn't traditionally provide that 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.880 much pressure anyway, thinking about the run defense and going 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.480 back to the first game, obviously that was Deck. I 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.359 mean I was Zeke just coming off of being away 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.280 from the team and probably wasn't his best self. Certainly. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.639 I think this last game you probably saw a different 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.919 side of Zeke and we've seen all season. How do 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.399 you think that matches up relative to how they stopped 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.480 the run. It's a good question. I mean, yeah, they 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.320 he was on a snap count in that game. Tony 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.040 Pollard is the guy they leaned on in the fourth 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.359 quarter when the game was kind of out of hand. Again, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.400 I just I think this is a super favorable matchup 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.560 all up front, and like I just said, like the 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.919 front is looks talented on paper for the Giants, I 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.000 just don't think it's all there. I don't think the 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.920 linebackers are up to that task. If you watch them 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.919 on tape, you see you know, Golden and Golden and 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.480 Carter were running themselves out of the play against the 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.439 Lions tackles all last week, and I just I like 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.239 that matchup a lot. Yeah, and if he looked at 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.680 what happened in that first game, I mean they did try. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.240 I mean they didn't care if Zeke was at training 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.240 camp or not. I mean the they basically were trying 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.840 to set out for that. I don't think he had 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.520 a huge game stat wise, and he didn't have a 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.960 lot of snaps, like he said, but the middle was 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.720 wide open. That's where you saw Blake Jarwin wide open 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.280 for a touchdown. Randall Cobb on a similar play. So 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.800 you know, they did what they were supposed to do 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:06.560 to try to stop the run and it didn't. It 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.120 didn't help that game that those guys were making big plays. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.320 Gallup had a few as well down the field. That 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.520 was back when we thought they were gonna play action 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.359 fake on every snap this season and so much movement. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.840 Hopefully they'll get back to it this week. Yeah, Zeke 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.800 had thirteen carries for fifty in a touchdown. I mean, Jarwin, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.760 it's going back to the I mean every time Jarwin 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.040 goes there. He scored he scored four touchdowns in his No. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:30.960 Five in his career because he had one last game 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.160 right Eagles An, Yeah, that was his first touchdown ever 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.040 or against anyone not the Giants. So he's had three 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.560 up there and then here's the fourth one. There's matchups 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.359 to exploit there, Like I mean, I think the Giants 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.480 know that they got to be all hands on deck 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.679 to stop the run. There. They don't look they're not 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.000 super disciplined. They weren't in the first matchup. I think 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.040 you can take advantage of that. Like I said, the 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.280 I like the secondary. But Matt Stafford had all day 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.960 to throw last week, he completed twenty five or thirty 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.000 two passes for seven eight yards. I'm seventy yards. Seventy 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.960 eight percent of those passes three hundred yards. I'm sorry. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.720 I mean that would be embarrassing. That would be the 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.000 reason you got a high percentage. But I mean there, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.680 you can take advantage of that. Like DeAndrea Baker's talented, 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.639 he's not all the way there yet that he looked lost, 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.800 but I still think part of that is because there's 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:27.120 nobody pressuring the quarterback. The one sack that the Giants 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.639 got on Stafford that really stood out was they'd played 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.439 really great coverage and he had nowhere to go with 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.879 the ball typical coverage stack. But I don't see them 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.119 getting to Dak on a regular enough basis to offset that. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.960 So let's assume for a second that this defense is 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.879 able to have some success against the Cowboys offense. Paint 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.040 the scenario of how that would have to happen. They 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.919 load up to stop the run, which and okay, to 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.040 Nix's point, like they weren't great against the run in 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.320 week one. I mean they weren't great running the ball 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.119 in week one. So they do that and then and 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.720 I like, their pass rush is just gonna have to 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.879 be better, like because if Dak has time to throw 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.680 or if the play action really asserts itself, I just 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.840 don't see the secondary holding up again, not because they're 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.160 not good, but nobody can cover for that amount of time. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:17.800 They're gonna have to blitz, and they're gonna have to 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.119 blitz and hope that you know, Jenkins or whoever is 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.680 covering Cooper, you know, wins a lot of those battles, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.359 and you know, and and forces some bad throws and 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.800 some deflections, and you know, you get you get a 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.240 holding palm toy here and there, and it changes everything. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.800 You know, you could be first and tent at to 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.040 thirty five yard line, you get a holding, now it's first, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.479 and twenty to twenty five changes everything, change the field position, 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.440 and so Cowboys have to just stay you know, ahead 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.720 of the chains and not getting those long situations where 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.440 then they'll have to punt and create more confidence for 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.040 the Giants defense. But I guess I could say this 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.280 is uh, like, I'm just I'm not worried about Lyle 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.520 Collins and Tyrann Smith, like they're like, I just think 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.520 they're gonna win that match up with ease, or at 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.520 least as easy as you can in the NFL. But 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.199 you know, if you got you have Dexter Lawrence, and 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.359 now all of a sudden you have Leonard Williams, you 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.800 can't just say, well, you know, Travis, help Connor, because 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:12.480 you know Zack doesn't need the help now you need. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.760 You have two guys who theoretically could really give the 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.240 interior of your line problems, throw in some blitzing maybe 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.600 on top of that. I could see that I'm still 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.800 I leaned toward the Cowboys in that matchup. But if 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.840 Leonard Williams and declare Dexter Lawrence can make some hay 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.760 against the interior of the line, then that could be troublesome. Yep, 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.520 how do we feel right now about what are we 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.719 hearing right now about the health the two tackles. Obviously 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.840 they both played the last game, they've had it some 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.480 time off now with the buy. Are they backed close 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.520 to it to one hundred percent health or is a 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:47.080 situation where they're gonna have to battle this for the 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.000 rest get it? Get it. But I'm just saying, like 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.879 those injuries, the specifically the injuries, and I know guys 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.959 have nicks and bruises and they're gonna have that, but 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.080 just the injuries and them coming back, I would guess 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.080 I would guess both of them probably we pushed themselves 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.800 to come back, maybe a little bit early even just 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.399 to make because they saw how important that Philadelphia game was. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.880 But all that being said, what are we hearing about 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:10.680 their injury status at this point as far as those 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.920 injuries are concerned, Well, they're both out there. Tyron got 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.000 some rehab work before practice, but like they're both in 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.760 uniform and practicing always a good sign. I'm trying to 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.560 do the math in my head. Tyrone got hurt on 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:25.440 September twenty ninth minutes October thirty first, So they're saying, 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.520 you know, it's not a true high ankle sprain, So 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.400 like that's right in line with especially with a week off, 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.800 Like that's right in line with how when you should 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.280 be feeling better. Same thing if it's a you know, 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.800 a mild MCL sprain. For Lyell, he got hurt on 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:44.240 October fifth, so you're talking three to four weeks. Like, again, yeah, 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.680 nobody's truly healthy, but like they should be right about 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:49.199 as good as you could expect them to be. But 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.400 if they aren't and they somebody gets hurt or maybe 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.520 they get hurt in the game, they're gonna have to 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.159 go down to the fourth tackle. Because it sounds like 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:01.520 camp flints. Cam's out this week. So Brandon Night and 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.480 Jason Garrett was asked about this. Is he the backup 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.760 to both sides? And he said, we'll see. So I 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.479 think he's gonna try to play left and right tackle, 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.560 but I would think he might you'd be better suited 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.399 on the right side. So if something were to happen 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.360 to time with the tyring, I don't know. I mean 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.320 it could be they could do a lot of shuffle, 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.440 probably jumps out Zach. I don't know. I know, like 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.760 Zach Martin is definitely there, like break Glass absolutely in 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.760 case of an emergency. I don't know if they would 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.480 try Connor or Zach first. I mean, Connor's done it? 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.280 Is it bad that like Connor's done it more? But 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.239 like I totally I would be like Zach, get out there, 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.959 That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yet more recent? Yeah, well, 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.520 because he's more fresh out of college. Like Zach hasn't 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:52.360 played tackle since the twenty thirteen college football season, so 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:54.719 it's been a long time. You probably also look at 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.160 it from a standpoint of Zach Zach. Zach is really 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.680 really good at guard. Connor has his moments, right, So 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:02.880 if you're gonna you don't want to take away from 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.359 what's really really good and put him out a tackle 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.239 where he may be a little less because he's not 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.919 used to it, versus moving Connor where you still may 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.280 be a little bit kind of shaky at times. Right, 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.480 I don't know, Like that'sh Which player do you have 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.880 more confidence in to do the job that they're not 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.600 ready for? I guess I would. I think I would 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.120 just go with Brendon night. Yeah, just put him over 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.800 either side. He didn't do horrible when he got to 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.280 He really no, He's really played well and they helped him. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:31.800 They helped him a pretty good amount of time. But 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.280 I think that's what you're gonna have to do either way, 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.119 if he's gonna in the game. Right. Part of me 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.120 just I just want to see how Zach Martin would 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:39.960 play a tackle, like, just for my I Actually I 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.639 asked him about that a few weeks ago. I was like, 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:43.840 is there any part of you that just wants to 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.359 know how you would do it tackle, just like because 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.719 you're a competitor, And he was like not really, and 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.040 I was like good. I was so disappointed. I was 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.320 like really, because like I'm dying to know. I just 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.879 want to see. But you seem like you're all world 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:57.480 at everything. So I'd like just to see if you 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.400 can translate it over to tackle. 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It 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.440 is the final second of the break Laugh and s 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.000 WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, Nick, what you got 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.600 for us? Well, I have a watch party. It's coming Yep, 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.399 it's coming up November twenty fourth at what do you 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.199 go to watch party? He watched the Cowboys play the 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.920 New England Patriots, and you watch them win, and it'll 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.160 be a very fiftive game day atmosphere at the Dostio's 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.280 Championship plods at the Star in Frisco. So the Cowboys 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.520 will take on the New England Patriots. They will not 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.280 be undefeated then, but they're just throwing out a whole 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:47.920 bunch of predictions here. Only I feel like everybody's kind 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.520 of in the same boat there, not everybody. What do 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.360 you mean by that? Well, we talked to we were 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.600 on the show Happy Hour show Darren, what somethings that 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.080 the Cowboys will win? I think brought us thinks the 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:01.080 Cowboys will win. It's just like a Cowboys thing into paytriots. Yeah, 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.840 now they're oh against the Pats. I was like, I'm like, yeah, 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.480 I think that everybody thinks that they were wanting to 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.760 get well that's in my head. I'm like, yeah, I 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.120 guess I think they're going to beat the Giants. Um, 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.480 I'm not. I'm not there. I'm not there yet, but 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.160 it'll be a fun place to gather with your Cowboys 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.840 friends on November twenty fourth. Go out there, bundle up, 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.200 watch it out there at the Star and it'll be outside. 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.640 Parking is free, admission is free, and then you can 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.719 go all the cool restaurants that are around there at 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.360 the Star District. I do think it will be an 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.000 entertaining and a close game. I don't know if I'm 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.400 there yet quite rather well, I'm ready to say the Cowboys. 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.720 I want to see how they play against three not 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:43.160 as good teams before I pick them to beat statistically 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.360 the best defense in the history of the league. Good point. Yeah, 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.320 not to mention the greatest quarterback of all time. Yeah, 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.320 in a building where they never lose. Yeah, I'm not 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:52.840 ready for all of that. Just seems like it's a 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.480 little daunting. But I do think that this is the county. 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:56.920 I think the Cowboys would give them a run. I 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:58.720 think they'd play they play him close because they would 0:29:58.720 --> 0:29:59.960 get up for that game in a way that they'd 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.440 The Cowboys do is play stressful games, like right, fact, 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.960 so the fact that they played three unstressful games to 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.320 start the season is like the biggest upset of all time. 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.160 I'm ninety five percent there that I think the Cowboys 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.560 will win that game if they go and lose to 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:18.360 the Lions the week before there, because that's what they'll do. Now, 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.080 they go and blow out the Lions in Detroit. They're 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.680 just like the games they just Lions. They just run 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.880 through all. I don't like it. Yeah, oh they can play. 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.720 Garret's got I'm playing. Well, watch this. But if they 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.960 they beat they beat the Vikings and then just roll 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.600 over Detroit. Yeah, I'm good about that. I don't like 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.560 that at all. All right, let's go ahead, jump back in. 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.160 We got some calls coming in you guys, call us 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.280 eighty eight eighty five five two two ninety seven or 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.520 hit us on Twitter at Derek Eagleton. Let's take a 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.520 call from Travis and Michigan. Travis, what Traf? How's it going? 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.440 How you doing great? But doing good? I'm glad to 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:59.560 get in. I tried getting yesterday was talking because Mickey 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.719 was he can on the Adams trade and all that, 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.280 and he brought up a point that kind of had 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.239 an epiphany for me. He brought up a point and 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.120 said him and brought us were going back and forth, 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.640 which they always do, which is always good, but he 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.560 said something like, he said something like Woodson, you know 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.760 if he is he Woodson? Is he Woodson? Because I'll 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.400 gi up a first round pick if he's Woodson. And 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.400 I thought to myself, is the organization and you know, 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.000 the team itself, are we holding ourselves back by thinking 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.600 I'm only going to give up a first round pick 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.360 if the guys Woodson. Like, I know Woodson's stature and 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.800 you know, within the organization and the team, and he 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.000 was awesome, He's great. But I feel like we're holding 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.560 this standard to Woodson and saying like, if even that Woodson, 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.080 I'm not making a deal for him. And I understand 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.760 the price is high, but I'm kind of with Nick 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.600 where I'm a draft nerd. I totally get it. You 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.160 want to build the draft and you want to give 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.440 a baskets one hundred percent, But at a certain point 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.440 the house is built. So if you're if you're there, 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.960 make a move to be there. Jerry's talked about it before. 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.120 He wants to win. Now to me, it doesn't seem 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.000 like a win now move. And on top of that, 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.240 you're kind of telling me that you don't think this 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.200 team is one player away if you're trying to go 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.160 get Adams, So like, which is it either we're there 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.360 and we're all in, or you don't think we can 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.080 compete with the Niners and the other teams, which I 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.640 kind of don't think either. I think this was the 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.040 move that they needed to make, and that's just my 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.560 frustration as a fan. So are you saying that you 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.960 were willing to in this instance, again, if we're going 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.760 according to reports, you would be willing to give up 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.040 a first in two seconds to secure Adams because you 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:39.840 think that gets you over the top and you're not 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.719 concerned about what that means for the future. I'm not, 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.000 and I'm glad you brought that up there, because I are. 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.400 You and David brought the fact that, well, you gotta 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.320 have holes in the off season. What if you lose 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.160 a left tackle or if you've got to replace this. 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.960 The simple fact is right now, you have a left tackle, 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.640 you have a right tackle. Yeah, next year you will 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.760 not have Next year, you will not have that defensive end. 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.800 Next year you will have to probably replenish your defensive tackle. 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.720 Next year, you may have to replace your your cornerback. 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.080 So those those are things that are that are real 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.960 and they're gonna be here next offseason. The Rams will too. 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.040 Does that have to do with anything? I don't understand 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.920 The Rams will all in. They made a trade for 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.120 Dayling Rams. Okay, And that's again I don't I don't 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.760 follow the Rams. I don't talk about the Rams, So 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.120 I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure how that 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:25.959 fits into their long term plans and what else they 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.160 got to do this offseason. And I get you, And 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.400 again I'm not against what you're saying. I really am 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.400 am not. I'm just trying to be clear on on 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.520 making sure that that I understand you when you say 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.640 you want to do it, that you're saying, I'm good 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.360 and going all in first two seconds for the purposes 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.880 of securing this player. Yeah, okay, let me just say 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.760 one more thing, one more thing real quick. I feel 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.440 like way back in the day we talked about and 0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.000 I'm not I don't support to see there, we used 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.200 to build different agency. We bought, we bought, we bought, 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.840 we spent, we spent, we spent. I feel like, now 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.200 we've gone I'm told again, I'm totally with it. We've 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.760 built to the draft. We've built a really good team. 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.080 It's there, but you're building building building. At some point 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.000 you've got to win. You gotta win now, Like that's 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:08.960 my thing. And I know they've got one hundred percent 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.600 more towards the drafts id you since Steven's kind of 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.160 taken over a little bit more and Boo mcclay's in there. 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.520 I get that, but like there's got to be a 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.640 healthy balance of like, yeah, you can lose some guys 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.640 next year, well plug him in. But I trust the 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.239 scouting stuff. I'm in with three agents, a few of 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.680 them not high priced guys. But you can you can 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.680 work it, massage the cab, you can work it that 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:33.680 they can build spots. I believe and move one year 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.279 all in and then if you have a down year 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.719 but you make it to the championship games, they want 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.480 to get to care if they go six and ten, 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.000 they win the Super Bowl this year, do you care? Well? 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:45.879 I think I mean the fact and nice of the call. 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.120 I love the call. I think I think Travis brought 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:49.800 up a lot of concerns that a lot of fans 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.040 have and like it's you know, I'm not trying to 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.080 ride the fence. Like I really feel both ways about it. 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.440 And honestly, I think it's kind of funny that Mickey 0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.720 compared Jamal Adams to Woody, because like he is Woody, 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.680 Like he's that good. Sorry, Mack, he's much younger. Yeah, 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:06.600 I think that's a cop out. Honestly, is just a 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.719 way of saying, but I don't know what the answer was. 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.960 What's then the answer is, yes, he's a he is 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.680 a Swiss army knife. He's not. He's probably not gonna 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.720 get you eight picks in a season, but neither did Woody. 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.759 Like he can play all over the fricking field. He can, 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.480 He's ferocious against the run, his instincts are off the charts. 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.000 Nobody ever asks him to play in the slot, but 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.680 I bet he could in a pinch um. So he 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.440 is woods and so like, if that's the case, they 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.960 should have done it. This whole thing is not about 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.440 the evaluation of the player. I think everybody was on 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.439 the same page that this, Yeah, this is the price. 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.560 This was all about the price. Are you willing to 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:42.960 give up a one? I think the Cowboys probably would 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:44.759 have been all in on that. Are you willing to 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:46.680 give up a one in two twos? I think the 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.240 Jets that's that sounds like that was their asking price, 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.879 and that doesn't seem like this I heard. I heard 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:53.879 Mike Fisher on that same show last night make that point. 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.480 And it's really a great point because if you think 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.080 about it, the Jets are saying three guys. The Cowboys 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.640 are saying one. That ain't even close if the reports 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.960 are true. Yea, if that's close. I don't know. That's 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.480 one report. We've heard other reports, so it's hard. It's 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.839 hard to balance it all. I don't think I would 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.960 have taken two twos. But my point is about the 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.680 Cowboys love those two. Yeah, but they haven't been very good. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.080 Like I think that's a fair statement. I mean, I 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:21.879 think you can say that that has been, that has 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:23.920 been up and down. I don't think it has been. 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.719 It hasn't been. I don't think it has been for 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.560 what you're talking about. I mean, I don't give me 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.160 to Marcus Lawrence because the mark because he's the thirty 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.280 fourth pick in the draft. That is a very high second. 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:38.080 If you look at where these picks will be fifty 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.319 or more. I went and look this up. Give me 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.560 every every second round pick in the history of the Cowboys, 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.640 fifty to six. We're not talking about those. We're talking 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.439 about the ones that McClay even and Jerry. He's making 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.239 a really good point in all honesty, I know, but 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.400 I'm saying, let's not say that in history, because the 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:59.319 same people weren't making when they've drafted at the back 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.200 end of the second and they got Gregory, they got 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.799 They've had one pet pretty good, one pro bowler. It's 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.800 Sean Lee who was picked fifty. But I'm just saying, 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.759 because if you get Jamal Adams, this team's gonna be 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.120 picking twenty fifth or so and then fifty five. So 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.200 you're picking in the fifties. The track record says that 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.239 hasn't been very good. To take that, So I don't 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.640 think you have to give up two twos. I think 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.359 you have to give up one two. If I'm giving 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.400 up one two in the next year's draft and I 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.440 haven't been picking very well in the fifties, I'll take 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.000 my chances, you know, I mean, I get to them. 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:33.600 I will tell you this. They had to trade up 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.360 to get him at thirty four. I will tell you this, 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.600 if if the offer was really down to a first 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.080 and a second, maybe I go with them there, and 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.040 maybe I go with you there, especially if they're split 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.279 over two years. So this year I don't get a one, 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.239 next year I don't get a two. Maybe I'm there, 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.800 but the reports are true there was one in two twos. 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.680 I'm not. That's just too much for me that I 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.640 got it. The draft becomes my lifeblood. When I've got 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.319 all these high priced guys that are my frontline guys, 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.399 I need the drafting l to replenish. And I'm gonna 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.600 try to use Travis as analogy. He said the house 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.760 is already built. He's right, but I'm trying to imagine. 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.960 I've never built a house, but I'm imagining like you're 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.080 in the finishing process, like the final steps of this, 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.400 and it's like, well, do you want the badass covered 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.560 back porch with the fire pit and the flat screen TV, 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.719 and then your budget is just completely wiped, so you 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.319 got no money when something breaks, or do you just 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.080 want the concrete slab with some patio chairs and then 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.120 when you start to have problems, you got some money 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.439 left over. Because that's the choice you're dealing with here, 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.840 and honestly, as much as I would love to have 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.440 Jamal Adams, but I get why they're doing it because 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:43.439 you need those picks. And again the point Travis brought up, Yes, 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.640 the Rams are clearly going all in. They have not 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.080 won a Super Bowl yet. They played like crap and 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.319 lost it last year, and if they don't do it 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.360 this year, they're probably in deep crap because all of 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.960 a sudden, you're asking Jared Goff and Aaron Donald to 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.239 carry a team that has no high picks and is 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.880 saddled with huge contracts everywhere else. And I'm assuming that 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.720 means they're probably a little bit older, like the average 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.600 age of it they become Seattle And I could be wrong, 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:10.680 but I don't think Jared Goff is Russell Wilson. I 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.000 don't think he is. And so I'm with you on that. 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.640 Nobody you're saying you have to carry it because they 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.839 went all in and they won, right and then they 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.480 kind of and then they figured, you know, everyone else signed. 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.640 If the Rams win the Super Bowl this year, then 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.400 it will have been worth it. And if they don't, 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:26.880 I think they're in a heap of trouble and for 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.719 anybody that's gonna come at me and say like, well, 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.880 it's been twenty five years since we've even been to 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.359 a conference championship game. Like, don't kid yourself that you'll 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.440 be okay with that. Like, if you're gonna push your 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.160 chips in and they lose the NFC title Game or 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.000 lose the Super Bowl, you're not gonna feel good about that. 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.440 You're gonna be miserable. And then then the narrative will 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.880 be how many years since you've won the Super Bowl? Right? 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.360 Been there? And by the way, you've just mortgaged your future, 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.200 so now it's about to be downhill. It's not like 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:52.920 you're going to keep that window open for a long 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.279 period of time. I don't know. I'm I'm the one 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.680 that would say go all in because you've had all 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.040 these years where the Cowboys have had successful draft and 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.680 they do have a lot of talent, But where has 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:10.840 that gotten you so far? Nowhere? Really, So it's like, Okay, 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.040 this is a year and every year the team changes. 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.600 Next year, you're not going to have the same team 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.720 that you have right now. You're gonna lose some talent 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.399 because of the money and all that. So if this 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.879 is a year to do it. We're here now, it's 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.399 this present. Not worry about the future. The future will come. 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.480 You get some other We don't know what's going to 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.200 happen with the coaching, but let's say, Okay, Jason Garrett, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.000 time is up, and then you get somebody else who 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.880 can actually get some things out of these talented players 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:42.600 and the guys that you do have on the roster. 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.040 So at one point it's like enough, it's enough, and 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.440 you are ready to put all it, all your chips in. 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.560 And I think that this is the one time where 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.480 fans truly feel that this is the time because of 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.359 the player talent. I don't think they feel the same 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:02.200 way for Jason Garrett, but because of the talent that's 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.440 being put out on the field, I think this is 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.880 where fans get frustrated and they think, Okay, this is 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.280 the year to actually get it done. And I agree. 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.120 I think most people probably are just really disappointed because 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.120 this was the opportunity to take your team over, like 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.799 you would have felt like going into this last AffA season, 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.080 you felt like you had talent on this defense to 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.239 be the best defense in the league. And that says 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.280 a lot because there's some good defenses in this league. 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.080 But you would have felt like that talent acquired with 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.839 Michael Bennett, with what you already had here, you would 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:32.719 have felt great about that. And that's why I think 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:34.839 there's so much disappointment from fans. It's just because they 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.719 saw it there. It was right, seemed like he was 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.480 right there in reach, and then all of a sudden, 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.200 it's not there. Let's go sorry, let's go even more 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.040 macro though, Like I hadn't even really considered this, but 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:49.040 there are people making those decisions that are probably in 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.839 some part of their brain thinking we might have to 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.280 reshape this team for a new coach in the coming 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.040 in the nearer or distant future, and the whole new 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.600 show Dave not having first the second round picks is 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.000 not a great way to start a new regime. Just literally, 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.840 that just popped in my mind. It's it's sorry I 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.719 keep cutting you off. That go ahead, right, No, I 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.400 was just saying, what another point that guy made was, 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.719 you know you always have everyone's got that that rich 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:15.680 friend that just has a lot of money and they 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:20.680 don't ever spend anything like they don't ever. He's like, 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.239 I know, you're not pointing at me. Yeah, they save it. 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.520 They save it. They're like, you know, and I'm like, 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:27.640 when are you gonna spend I mean what, I get it, 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.040 you're saving them for whatever, but at some point spend 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.520 the damn money. And it's like, let's just the you know, 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.319 moving it back, moving it back. At some point, you 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.520 know what, You've got two aces and there's an ace 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.600 on there. You gotta just go all in at some point. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.040 And I think I would have done it. That would 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:43.600 have been the moment for you. I think, so I 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.680 there's no way to not I'm riding the fence and 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:48.640 I'm sorry, Like I think I would have done it too. 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.720 But I know it's their responsibility to keep this team 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.560 competitive for three, four or five years from now. And 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.839 like I said, I'm a little bit disappointed, but I 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.200 don't I'm not just see anything mad that they didn't 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.400 do this deal. I'm just not right. I could. I 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.319 could probably be convinced both ways. And I do see 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.520 the value. That's the part. That's the part that trips 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.000 you up as you see the value and you see 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.880 the potential. But I also see the part where you 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.960 could be looking here a year or two down the 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:16.839 road and you're like, man, that was not a great 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.280 decision because I do think last year in the draft, 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.680 they had an opportunity to get what we would have 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.520 been the best safety in the draft, for the second 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.319 best safety in the draft in the second round. Like 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.120 there are still opportunities where they could get talented safeties. 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.680 They just haven't addressed it like that, you know. And 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.280 so if you really think you gotta upgrade your safety position, 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.080 why not use that second round picking go get yourself 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.640 a freaking safety. It is funny that they'd be willing 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:43.279 to do a major deal to get a safety but 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.759 not just pick one at fifty eight, right, which I mean, 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.400 Jamal Adams is a different animal than one Thornhill. But yeah, no, 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.120 I hear you. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys. 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:53.560 You want us for back Tomorrow, We're gonna wrap this 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.040 thing up. Let you guys know what's going to happen. 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:56.960 This is the second time you got hyped up of 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.920 all the safety that's annoying. That was an arrow tip. 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.240 There's a question. There's a question that a fan hatch 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.960 yesterday about I mean today about that, and I'm actually 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.400 gonna bring it up tomorrow because I thought It was 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:10.200 a good question about these back to back times that 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.760 really we've been talking significantly about safeties around the league 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.200 and what that means for what the Cowboys really think 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.240 about their safety position. But we'll talk about that. Shouts 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.560 out to Travis. That was a good little a little 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:25.000 good little dialogue for Nick, even Dave helm and Abergarcia. 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:26.719 I'm Derek Hielton. This has been The Break live on 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.280 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.160 of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.