WEBVTT - The OTP | Billy "White Shoes" Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>someone who, when I was a young man starting to

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<v Speaker 1>follow the NFL, was a player that we were always

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see, a player that we looked up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy White Shoes Johnson joins me on the OTP. Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a pleasure to have you here. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. It's good to be here and good

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<v Speaker 2>to be seeing these days.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So I have to ask this question. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever wear anything other than white shoes?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't. Earlier on I might have, but after

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<v Speaker 2>second or third yeah, I don't think I have.

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<v Speaker 1>But in your like in your wardrobe, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when your white shoes Johnson, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>wear white shoes, right, exactly? Exactly. I mean, people look

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<v Speaker 2>at you like you got two heads if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have white shoes, and then they get to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, sometimes you can have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of blue in the back of the shoe. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>an all white shoes. I said, man, I can't win.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's only white shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you become white shoes? Johnson?

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<v Speaker 2>I was the president of the Pat Boom Club. We

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<v Speaker 2>were white bucks. I'm lying.

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<v Speaker 1>I know about the white that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I started just to be different in high school because

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<v Speaker 2>that's at that time everybody was wearing black shoes, and

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<v Speaker 2>its kind of redundant to me, and I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a little flash. So we were sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>our front porch. I guess one day a good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of ours came up to me while I was out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm young and impressionable. He asked me, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>you're so good, why don't you wear white shoes like

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Willie.

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<v Speaker 1>Name it well, because he was the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the guy who were those.

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<v Speaker 1>White spot builts were so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were nice. And see what I did when

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<v Speaker 2>I got my shoes. Finally I had Kangaroo. Remember the

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<v Speaker 2>kangaroo was a little bit best step up from spot built,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were able to get some and I took

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<v Speaker 2>him to a nice little cobbler who dyed those shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he stripped the shoe and then he died

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<v Speaker 2>and die on it and he taught me how to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. So my senior year was my junior year.

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<v Speaker 2>My senior year, he did two pairs and I did

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<v Speaker 2>one pair, but he and he did that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. We went to a game and we played

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<v Speaker 2>the best defense in our county and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>good game. And it was a homecoming game. So they

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<v Speaker 2>says blazon Billy white shoes something something the crowd on

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<v Speaker 2>mothers on the parents' Day, which was a big headline.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought it was hoky at that time on

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<v Speaker 2>white shoes and ever since then and ever since that game,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had that good game and theyd me call

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<v Speaker 2>me white shoes. Now. My coach didn't care too much

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>At first because it was too showy.

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<v Speaker 2>Too showy, and he's the kind of guy, no frills,

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<v Speaker 2>no thrill, right, But when I went to training camp

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<v Speaker 2>and I wore them one day and he came after

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<v Speaker 2>a second, third or fourth day, two days and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a scrimmage. She said, what's up with

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<v Speaker 2>the shoes? And for no better reason, I said, and

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<v Speaker 2>they make me run faster. And he didn't say a word,

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<v Speaker 2>He just so, okay, lot of I said, So we

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<v Speaker 2>had a scrimmage and I had a good game. He

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<v Speaker 2>never said another word about the shoes, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>thankful that he allowed me to wear them because and

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<v Speaker 2>you feel good about it, because you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look good, you feel good. That old saying it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in high school. I knew that. I said, man,

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<v Speaker 2>just give me a little bit more confidence. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>my adulgrum zone. It was something that was different, and

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<v Speaker 2>you had to play because you're seeing you're the guy

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<v Speaker 2>out there who's show who's wearing white shoes, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course they're going to want to stop the wark man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a guy who they might think might be

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<v Speaker 2>a hot dog. So it made you play harder, train

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<v Speaker 2>harder so you wouldn't be embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 1>It took guts in the late sixties and early seventies

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<v Speaker 1>that was not done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you had to have a little bit of talent,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess to do that. And our team was talented

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<v Speaker 2>to the point we didn't window state championship, but we

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<v Speaker 2>played well.

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<v Speaker 1>But you go to Wider College which is now Wider University, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had been a military school before before you

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<v Speaker 1>got there. So how did how were you able to

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<v Speaker 1>keep wearing the white shoes there PMC.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at that time they started being a little they

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<v Speaker 2>relinquished that strict dressing command. But at that time coach

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Manluf, which changed the whole history of PMC Widener.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there and he didn't mind. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>just as long as you could play and showed toughness,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all that mattered. And you know you could follow

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<v Speaker 2>the rules because like I said, I started when it

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<v Speaker 2>was PMC and I graduated when it was Widener. So

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<v Speaker 2>on my diploma it has PMC Widener and which is

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<v Speaker 2>good because coach Manluff made all difference from me in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I was kind of ragged, ignotia, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take challenges, a little cocky. I wouldn't I'm never arrogant,

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<v Speaker 2>but just I like taking challenges, and uh, he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to. He's such a good person. He was like

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. He talks something, you do something wrong, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you want to hear from me, you say,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shoot, a disappointed coach. That's for me. He was

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of coach for me. And we're still a

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<v Speaker 2>good best of friends now. And I talked to he

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<v Speaker 2>and missus man Love Edna let me stay in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was that kind of coach was really good

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<v Speaker 2>for me. He to me, he's exemplified what it was

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<v Speaker 2>like to be a coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be tough on you, but he was fair

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a lot of respect from a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>not on me, but from a lot of guys on

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<v Speaker 2>the team. And he was just like that father father figure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a strong father. But I can only

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if I did something wrong with him. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he handled a different way coach man up, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more mild mannered, but no, he was I had

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<v Speaker 2>so much, the utmost respect for him.

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<v Speaker 1>The Oilers drafted you in the fifteenth round in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four. Do you know the story of how they

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<v Speaker 1>found you? Do you were? Were you made aware of

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<v Speaker 1>that later on in life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Bruce Kebrick who was on a

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<v Speaker 2>scouting trip. He was up near Temple, and if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, he said, well, let me go u By.

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<v Speaker 2>I see this guy because our team, my offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty good at that time. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they put anybody behind that line and they were done well.

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<v Speaker 2>And he heard about me, came out and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>they ran me through the forty and came out on

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<v Speaker 2>the field to see me do some things on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, hey, I like this guy. Now that's

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<v Speaker 2>what was told to me. So I'm not sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was because of Bruce Kebrick that I am an oiler.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, let's face it, Widener is more famous

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<v Speaker 1>for being the school that director says, b.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Humphrey bogo. I don't forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of politicians and lawyers and big time people

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<v Speaker 1>have gone there bets to find you in the fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>round and then to bring you in and for you

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<v Speaker 1>to make the team. How does a fifteenth round pick

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<v Speaker 1>make a football team?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was blessed. I was truly blessed by

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<v Speaker 2>God because you're a fifteenth round draft choice. You're a

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<v Speaker 2>small guy from a small school. You know. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>the timing was right, and that timing was from the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord himself. So I take no credits for making it

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<v Speaker 2>other than being the right place the right time and

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord putting me there.

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<v Speaker 1>And punt returning and kick returning. That was the way in.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the way in. I just wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to get the ball anyway I could to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that I could play with the guys who were

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<v Speaker 2>let's face, went to bigger schools, had more media attention

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<v Speaker 2>than myself. Well, I can play just as good as

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<v Speaker 2>them if given the opportunity, and lo and behold, I

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<v Speaker 2>was given that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did the dance come from? And when did it

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<v Speaker 1>first happen? I know, I know the dance itself was

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<v Speaker 1>the Funky Chicken?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, But where did.

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<v Speaker 1>It come from in your mind to do that? And

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<v Speaker 1>where did you first do it?

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<v Speaker 2>I first did it? I was you know, at that

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<v Speaker 2>time college we were playing a rival team of ours

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<v Speaker 2>and they were a little hoake, they got a little

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<v Speaker 2>above themselves, you know, and me being always in the

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment call at that time, I would be hosting my

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<v Speaker 2>club acts and stuff like that. So I yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a chance to host Rufus Thomas who made the

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<v Speaker 2>funky who made the do the funky Chicken? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you another lie, So I shouldn't do that. I promised,

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<v Speaker 2>no more, no more storytelling.

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<v Speaker 1>I did that.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have happened, yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. In the court of blows. It could have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have never You're right, because it's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, you know, but no, what happened, this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>We were playing a rival ball club of hours and

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<v Speaker 2>they said some things, which was bulletin board material. And

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<v Speaker 2>we were sitting in the I think, in the locker

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<v Speaker 2>room joking and you know, how guys are you push one?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody pushing me envelope, And I said, I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were to score, I'm want to dance and

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<v Speaker 2>I did something and he said, man, you ain't going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it? I said, man, I am. I really had.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no real intentions of doing it, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I scored, I had to do something because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't live it down. You had been a plug

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<v Speaker 2>if you had done it at that time and said

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to do something, didn't do it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>scored a couple of times, I danced a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kept my under the bargain. That's how I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it. But it just so happened because we

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of fun with it. We weren't trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be a derogatorory in any way, trying to rub

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<v Speaker 2>their noses in it. We were just having fun it

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<v Speaker 2>was part of what we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned your coach, would that you be you?

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<v Speaker 2>He would let me be. And that's what I really liked.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I really liked. He didn't say anything. There's

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<v Speaker 2>one time though, he did say, I was really upset

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<v Speaker 2>at that we were playing the team. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to mention their names, and they were playing a little

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<v Speaker 2>dirty because they wanted to get me, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I understand you're a mark man, but I got a

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<v Speaker 2>little upset. So I broke into the open the field

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<v Speaker 2>and I sat down and I started slowing down and

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<v Speaker 2>I pointed at it, which is hot dogish and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really not that player. And he said, why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Not in the over animated voice or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. He said, that's not you. He says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that. He says, that's how you get hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>You set yourself up to get hurt. He said, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're a better person, the better person than that. Be

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<v Speaker 2>above that. And I felt about this big. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>about one inch tall because he was told the truth

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew better, but I just wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>my point of revenge. I said, what they did to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to poke me in the eye, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's playing a little bit dirty, and they

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<v Speaker 2>normally wouldn't. But after that, no problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know you were going to do that when

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<v Speaker 1>you got the end zoned when you were with the Oilers,

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<v Speaker 1>or did it just happen?

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<v Speaker 2>It just how I promise you It just happened. Because

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. And I beat the Steelers, I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't went and won the Super Bowl seventy four. We

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<v Speaker 2>had beat the Steelers. I had scored on the end

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<v Speaker 2>around and Mike Wagner was the last time I had

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<v Speaker 2>to run past.

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<v Speaker 1>Number twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, sir, yes sir. And I went in there

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<v Speaker 2>and I automatically did it, and I said, oh shucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, here, I am up here on a big

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<v Speaker 2>stage and the professional ranks, and I'm being a hot dog.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't. I went over and I asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about that. He said, that's what it takes. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to see more of it. I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>go see, said Gilman. At that time he was a

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<v Speaker 2>head coach. He probably could care less. Because I got

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<v Speaker 2>in the end zone and mom just said, hey, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it takes so be it, you know, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. I really didn't and then a couple other

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<v Speaker 2>times said I'm not going to dance again, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just happened. And later on they said, man, we like

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<v Speaker 2>that dance. We want to see you do it more.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anytime I would score after that, I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would dance. I used to get phone calls on

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<v Speaker 2>the road. Hopefully our team wins, but we want to

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<v Speaker 2>see you do the dance. I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how they got my number at the hotel to call

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<v Speaker 2>and or say leave a message or it was fun

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<v Speaker 2>and it was fun. I just you know, in the

0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:35.760
<v Speaker 2>NFL was fun. I never ever try to humiliate another opponent.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't say that I did you look at any tape?

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<v Speaker 2>I always went to the end zone, corner of the

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<v Speaker 2>end zone the dance.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you know that it was something very different

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<v Speaker 1>and that people really loved it?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's probably about the third time I did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, man, we want to see that dance

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<v Speaker 2>today next game. I said, Wow, maybe something is good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's even though you know, you get pumped up

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<v Speaker 2>more and you work harder because you're an entertainer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we are entertainment, but I just it was just fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I did it in the college all that time,

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<v Speaker 2>and the same at that time when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>college that people wanted to come to the game to

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<v Speaker 2>see what he would do next. That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But I you know, like I say, it was all

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<v Speaker 2>part of getting our guys pumped up because they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to see it. They had to hand it. Allowed me

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<v Speaker 2>to be successful, to get into the end zone, be

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<v Speaker 2>it a pump return, a kickoff return pass, or end

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<v Speaker 2>around or anything from scrimmish. They knew they had to

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<v Speaker 2>handle it and that was the celebration, not only for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the team.

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<v Speaker 1>More of the conversation with Billy White Shoes Johnson on

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<v Speaker 1>the OTP continues. But first we have to remind you

0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it's always game on with Duncan. So grab a coffee

0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and kick off the action. Whether that's drinking a cup

0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.080
<v Speaker 1>of coffee on your way to the game or grabbing

0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.920
<v Speaker 1>one to go before watching the game at home, Duncan

0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.160
<v Speaker 1>is always there to help you get your game on.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the pros. We need to be at our

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<v Speaker 1>best come game time, which is why Duncan is the

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<v Speaker 1>most important part of your game day ritual because it's

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<v Speaker 1>always the best call for football America runs on Duncan.

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<v Speaker 1>But those Oilers teams you were on too. I mean

0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.840
<v Speaker 1>bum Films was a character, how he dressed and everything.

0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.600
<v Speaker 1>There were other characters on the team. Earl Campbell certainly

0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.200
<v Speaker 1>became a mythical figure. And so you were part of

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<v Speaker 1>something Love You Blue, where the Houston Oilers all of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that were with it challenging the Steelers for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Yes, in that era, it was a thing,

0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and you were a part of that thing that NFL

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<v Speaker 1>films would seemingly show every single week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because there was an oddity at that

0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.560
<v Speaker 2>time when Bumble of this cowboy had and the players

0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.760
<v Speaker 2>are no name defense at that time. When you look

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<v Speaker 2>at I mean other than Curly, who else would you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Al but thank because he'd been in all those years.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Robert Brazil on the defense and doctor dou Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you had uh Kenny Brow double oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>double oh. I remember John was Sindy talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had the big names like that. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know who would have said, yeah, that's good down there.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we got on the national stage and played

0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the Steelers tough and uh, of course they beat us

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<v Speaker 2>twice to get to the super Bowl, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>fun and see and you can tell a lot of

0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.720
<v Speaker 2>draft choices, I should say draft choices, a lot of

0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.360
<v Speaker 2>free agents made that team made it up at that

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<v Speaker 2>time to to make it what it was. So when

0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.800
<v Speaker 2>you were a hard working guy and we're all after

0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, you know, some of us didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to uh rifully sow, but we got we

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<v Speaker 2>got that second chance, and we wanted to make do

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<v Speaker 2>uh make well with it. So that's why we were

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<v Speaker 2>so close, I think. And we enjoyed each other. We

0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.840
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed being around each other, especially when they started the

0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.080
<v Speaker 2>city started getting behind this boy, and if all we

0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.119
<v Speaker 2>had and then we got it all. Oh wow, we

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<v Speaker 2>will offer Runny for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>That Billy white shoes, Johnson, the white shoes and the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone dance may have made you famous, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is nineteen seventy five is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest years for a returner in NFL history.

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<v Speaker 1>You're considered the greatest punt returner in NFL history. The

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<v Speaker 1>seventy fifth Anniversary team named you as their punt returner.

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.159
<v Speaker 1>The one hundredth anniversary team in twenty eighteen named you

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<v Speaker 1>as the punt returner. So there was quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of substance behind what you did, more so than just

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<v Speaker 1>the flash. And as your career went on, especially when

0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you went to Atlanta later, you got a chance more

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<v Speaker 1>as a receiver. I mean, your career was incredibly accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>outside of just the fun part of it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>has to be special in your heart too.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. I've found a coach down there who knew

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<v Speaker 2>I could play inside. He enhanced my career the second

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<v Speaker 2>part of my career with the Falcons. But I'll say this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the guys along the way that made it possible

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention some

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.960
<v Speaker 2>of them. Guys made it happen for me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at you got your names on defense and

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<v Speaker 2>are starting defense. Would be out there on punt returns,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then you got to kick off returns. Some

0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.080
<v Speaker 2>of our offensive lineman be out there, starting offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 2>to be out there. So it was gratifying to see

0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.520
<v Speaker 2>these guys believed in me to, you know, to do

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<v Speaker 2>the best I can do. And I believe in them.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at for instance, Eddie Fish or Andy Dorris,

0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie comb Is, cl Whittington, Al Johnson, these guys who

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<v Speaker 2>made it happen for me offensively and defensively, and they

0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 2>contributed as much to my success as I did. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think that's that's why, because we all wanted,

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we were all on the same page. Let's get into

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<v Speaker 2>the end zone, let's let's win. And then with mom

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<v Speaker 2>his style of coaching only amplified it more so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well because him coming from the Bear Bryant Tree. Yes,

0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:34.640
<v Speaker 1>he believed in special teams dramatically. He was from that school.

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<v Speaker 1>That you can change field position sounds much like Mike

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Rabel right now, change field position, you start every possession

0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.760
<v Speaker 1>with the first down, you can, you can pick up

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a score, all of those sorts of things factoring in.

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And then when you have a guy and we sat

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Johnson in two thousand and nine, we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it with Derrick Henry in twenty twenty, when the team

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<v Speaker 1>starts to believe the person with the ball can hit

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<v Speaker 1>a home run.

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<v Speaker 2>They try, yeah, that's true, and that's true. And me

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that I'm going to have the wall, my hand.

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 2>They're expecting what I'm doing. So I got to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure I produce for them because they made some blocks.

0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you see on several I guess films of

0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.240
<v Speaker 2>us returning the bowl, Robert Brazil making two blocks, Whittington,

0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie Coleman making two or three blocks. I'll never forget

0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.720
<v Speaker 2>about three weeks back to back, Ronnie c I forget

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody else. They had knocked guys out of the game

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 2>on special things, and they did it fairly. They could

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.400
<v Speaker 2>have probably gotten away with it today by today's stands,

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm hitting people. But the angles that they were taking

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and the way that they were protecting me, golly day.

0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.880
<v Speaker 2>So I had to I had to produce because those

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 2>guys put on the line like that for me and

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 2>kickoff returns, gee whiz is the same thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we had starting guys out there on the special teams

0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's special. Uh. That's why I liked My mom

0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.920
<v Speaker 2>never gave me no directions of Okay, we've got to return, right,

0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 2>but you go with what you see. Always, hey, handle

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the ball, you know, you're never supposed to handle the

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.360
<v Speaker 2>ball inside the tenure outline. I did that on several occasions,

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:17.879
<v Speaker 2>not longer. Is that because he said, just get it.

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.960
<v Speaker 2>If you feel you can get it, go with it.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes a great punt.

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<v Speaker 2>Returner, great judgment and right away with field presence of

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 2>catching the ball, knowing where you are on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>getting there quick, setting up like a baseball player, you know,

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 2>as if he's getting ready to throw the ball. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you get it, just such an instincts take over.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we're supposed to go, which you're supposed but

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't know. You just got to go with the

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>flow of you know that, which is intrinsic to happen.

0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.919
<v Speaker 2>And if you buy you do that. Shoot, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>this And I would say I'll try some of them saying, see,

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, set up quick, take the first step to

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.479
<v Speaker 2>freeze them, then go with what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Devin Hester, the greatest overall returner of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's one of the biggest I've seen. Physically.

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 1>He is a good sized guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I said, no, wonder it's tough to him.

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 2>And see he's what he knows. He got speed and

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 2>he can do it. But you've got guys like Gale

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Sayers and you know, Rick up Church, and I'll tell

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.199
<v Speaker 2>you in our conference you had Greg prud there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to be said about that. He uh, he's got

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 2>some contention there.

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.359
<v Speaker 1>But the guys you're talking about weren't specialists. No, Rick

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>up Church played wide receiver. Greg Prue was a great

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>running back.

0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.720
<v Speaker 2>And go back to Eton. Yes, I mean, so who's

0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to say. I mean, that's been mentioned in that company.

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel good because all those guys were they made

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:03.920
<v Speaker 2>a difference in the game, but.

0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.640
<v Speaker 1>They're not the greatest punt returner. On the seventy fifth

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 1>anniversary or the one hundredth anniversary.

0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 2>People see it differently. You you ain't trapping me.

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not. I'm not trapping I'm bragging on you

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>because I mean to think about the people who voted

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 1>on that, and the amount of football that's been played,

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and the way the kicking game has evolved in different ways.

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, wow, I mean to be called not just

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the first time around, you know, twenty five years in

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, but at twenty eighteen, to be called again,

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>that's phenomenal. What is that what you're most proud of? Wow?

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't as a football player.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, probably, but there's a lot of other games that

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the things, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>when you talk about put returns, you really talk about

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 2>especially in this era after me. You look at Devin Hester,

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 2>you look at the Sanders, and a couple of guys

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 2>came behind them. They're good. But I think most of

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 2>you you'll see that the other like being on he

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 2>played a position, sure did. Most of us played a

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>position really and contributed, contributed in an actor in a

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<v Speaker 2>big way. Then you have something who just can't get

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<v Speaker 2>on the field, though they can do is punt and

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<v Speaker 2>kick off returna which is no slap in their face

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I mean, if you can catch punts and

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<v Speaker 2>I think about it and get it done, you where

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<v Speaker 2>you supposed to be. And that's why I say, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope they never take the returning game out of the

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<v Speaker 2>league altogether. And that's the exciting part of the football

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<v Speaker 2>game to me, the change of position. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at guys like that, I, like I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel happy to be mentioned like that and to be selected.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot more out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think about the fabric of the NFL, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows who you are because you're nicknamed. The story

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<v Speaker 1>of the end Zone dance, which is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>celebration which makes the NFL the number one sport in

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<v Speaker 1>America because it's not just a game, it's a show

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<v Speaker 1>and people love following every part of the show. And

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<v Speaker 1>the celebration is fine. When I started playing football, we

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<v Speaker 1>did the Billy White Shoes Johnson dance, Date me, well

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<v Speaker 1>but dating me. But the whole thing was, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story of this league without you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's I mean, and you've done a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you were in the league fifteen years, You

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to Canada to work your way back

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<v Speaker 1>from an injury and to show that you could still

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and then you were with the Falcons for

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years doing their director of player development, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've had a remarkable career in and outside of football.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, this has got to be for a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who played at Widener, and it's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little mind numbing, right it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I overwhelmed when when it is overwhelming to a point

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<v Speaker 2>when Amy Uh, they gave me the news that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to put me to the Ring of Honor. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was speechless and overwhelmed because that takes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot for a team to sit down there and

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<v Speaker 2>decide who would go into the ring of honor. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the guys that I'm following, are Old Campbell,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Brazil, uh, Frank Wai checking all these guys. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that's tall. You know, you're in big company, big time company. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I just felt blessed and fortunate that

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<v Speaker 2>I came along when I came along and played for

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<v Speaker 2>the right people. Uh. And I just I just have

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<v Speaker 2>been so fortunate. It's been a great walk for me,

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<v Speaker 2>a great run, and I have no regrets I do

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<v Speaker 2>it again. It's just like I say, you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>the very beginning when I've called Alan to honor the

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<v Speaker 2>strike at that time, and he asked me what around

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<v Speaker 2>was I drafted and the fifteenth he said, no, come

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<v Speaker 2>on in. Every since I called him that day, God

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<v Speaker 2>at his hand on me saying, Okay, we're gonna because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want they want to be a strike break

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<v Speaker 2>or a sky and Elma just said, hey, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>he thought I wasn't going to make the team be

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<v Speaker 2>in a fifteenth round drive show, so he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>come on in. And then when he met me, I'll

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>never never forget. Oh you had a little piss and

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>who called me about coming to camp? He says, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>if I know how big you are, i'd have told you, no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't come at all. But it was so funny, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd said yeah. He said, well, I'm glad you did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you made things worked out for you. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, I guess this, this moment of being inducted

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<v Speaker 2>to the Ring of Honor is something I never thought about,

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<v Speaker 2>I never found in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>And Amy Adamstruck made it happen because she's been determined

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<v Speaker 1>to put the whole family together, and for those of

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<v Speaker 1>us here, it's been a beautiful thing to get to

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<v Speaker 1>experience all of it, to see all of this together

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<v Speaker 1>in this way. And like I said, I've known who

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<v Speaker 1>you were for fifty years, and so the excitement of

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<v Speaker 1>getting a chance to meet you and getting a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to see this happen for you. And I think people

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<v Speaker 1>of my age and even younger who know your story,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew immediately when Amy said she wanted to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>like absolutely, he's not already in and so it's you're

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth member and it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, and I'm glad and first class all

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<v Speaker 2>the way, first class all the way. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's kind of overwhelming at that time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy White Choos Johnson, thank you so much for joining

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