1 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at FBHP 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: dot com. I Mike Keith and excited to talk with 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: someone who, when I was a young man starting to 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: follow the NFL, was a player that we were always 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: excited to see, a player that we looked up to. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Billy White Shoes Johnson joins me on the OTP. Sir, 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: it is a pleasure to have you here. Thanks for 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: joining us. 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. It's good to be here and good 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: to be seeing these days. 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: All right, So I have to ask this question. Do 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: you ever wear anything other than white shoes? 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: No, I don't. Earlier on I might have, but after 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: second or third yeah, I don't think I have. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: But in your like in your wardrobe, do. 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: You know when your white shoes Johnson, you have to 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: wear white shoes, right, exactly? Exactly. I mean, people look 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: at you like you got two heads if I don't 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: have white shoes, and then they get to the point 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: where you know, sometimes you can have a little bit 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: of blue in the back of the shoe. That's not 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: an all white shoes. I said, man, I can't win. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's only white shoes. 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: So how did you become white shoes? Johnson? 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: I was the president of the Pat Boom Club. We 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: were white bucks. I'm lying. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: I know about the white that's good. 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: I started just to be different in high school because 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: that's at that time everybody was wearing black shoes, and 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: its kind of redundant to me, and I just want 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: to do a little flash. So we were sitting on 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: our front porch. I guess one day a good friend 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: of ours came up to me while I was out there. 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm young and impressionable. He asked me, if you think 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: you're so good, why don't you wear white shoes like 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: Joe Willie. 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Name it well, because he was the guy. 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: He was the guy who were those. 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: White spot builts were so sweet. 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were nice. And see what I did when 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: I got my shoes. Finally I had Kangaroo. Remember the 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: kangaroo was a little bit best step up from spot built, 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: but we were able to get some and I took 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: him to a nice little cobbler who dyed those shoes. 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean he stripped the shoe and then he died 48 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: and die on it and he taught me how to 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: do it. So my senior year was my junior year. 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: My senior year, he did two pairs and I did 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: one pair, but he and he did that, and so 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: what happened. We went to a game and we played 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: the best defense in our county and I had a 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: good game. And it was a homecoming game. So they 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: says blazon Billy white shoes something something the crowd on 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: mothers on the parents' Day, which was a big headline. 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: And I thought it was hoky at that time on 58 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: white shoes and ever since then and ever since that game, 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: but I had that good game and theyd me call 60 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: me white shoes. Now. My coach didn't care too much 61 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: for it. 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: At first because it was too showy. 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: Too showy, and he's the kind of guy, no frills, 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: no thrill, right, But when I went to training camp 65 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: and I wore them one day and he came after 66 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: a second, third or fourth day, two days and we're 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: going to have a scrimmage. She said, what's up with 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: the shoes? And for no better reason, I said, and 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: they make me run faster. And he didn't say a word, 70 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: He just so, okay, lot of I said, So we 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: had a scrimmage and I had a good game. He 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: never said another word about the shoes, and I'm so 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: thankful that he allowed me to wear them because and 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: you feel good about it, because you know, if you 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: look good, you feel good. That old saying it's true. 76 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: Even in high school. I knew that. I said, man, 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: just give me a little bit more confidence. It's just 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: my adulgrum zone. It was something that was different, and 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: you had to play because you're seeing you're the guy 80 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: out there who's show who's wearing white shoes, and of 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: course they're going to want to stop the wark man, 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: you know, a guy who they might think might be 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: a hot dog. So it made you play harder, train 84 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: harder so you wouldn't be embarrassed. 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: It took guts in the late sixties and early seventies 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: that was not done. 87 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you had to have a little bit of talent, 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: I guess to do that. And our team was talented 89 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: to the point we didn't window state championship, but we 90 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: played well. 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: But you go to Wider College which is now Wider University, correct, 92 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: and it had been a military school before before you 93 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: got there. So how did how were you able to 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: keep wearing the white shoes there PMC. 95 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: Well, at that time they started being a little they 96 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: relinquished that strict dressing command. But at that time coach 97 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: Bill Manluf, which changed the whole history of PMC Widener. 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: He was there and he didn't mind. And it was 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: just as long as you could play and showed toughness, 100 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: that's all that mattered. And you know you could follow 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: the rules because like I said, I started when it 102 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: was PMC and I graduated when it was Widener. So 103 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: on my diploma it has PMC Widener and which is 104 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: good because coach Manluff made all difference from me in 105 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: the world. I was kind of ragged, ignotia, you know, 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: take challenges, a little cocky. I wouldn't I'm never arrogant, 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: but just I like taking challenges, and uh, he was 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: able to. He's such a good person. He was like 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: my dad. He talks something, you do something wrong, and 110 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: you know you want to hear from me, you say, 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: oh shoot, a disappointed coach. That's for me. He was 112 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: that kind of coach for me. And we're still a 113 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: good best of friends now. And I talked to he 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: and missus man Love Edna let me stay in touch. 115 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: But he was that kind of coach was really good 116 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: for me. He to me, he's exemplified what it was 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 2: like to be a coach. 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: Now. 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: He could be tough on you, but he was fair 120 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: and he had a lot of respect from a lot, 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: not on me, but from a lot of guys on 122 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: the team. And he was just like that father father figure. 123 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: And I had a strong father. But I can only 124 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 2: imagine if I did something wrong with him. You know, 125 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: he handled a different way coach man up, a little 126 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: bit more mild mannered, but no, he was I had 127 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: so much, the utmost respect for him. 128 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: The Oilers drafted you in the fifteenth round in nineteen 129 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: seventy four. Do you know the story of how they 130 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: found you? Do you were? Were you made aware of 131 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: that later on in life. 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: I think it was Bruce Kebrick who was on a 133 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: scouting trip. He was up near Temple, and if I'm 134 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: not mistaken, he said, well, let me go u By. 135 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: I see this guy because our team, my offensive line 136 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: was pretty good at that time. I mean, I think 137 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 2: they put anybody behind that line and they were done well. 138 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: And he heard about me, came out and I guess 139 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: they ran me through the forty and came out on 140 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: the field to see me do some things on the field, 141 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: and he said, hey, I like this guy. Now that's 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: what was told to me. So I'm not sure, but 143 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: it was because of Bruce Kebrick that I am an oiler. 144 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's face it, Widener is more famous 145 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: for being the school that director says, b. 146 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so Humphrey bogo. I don't forget that. 147 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: A lot of politicians and lawyers and big time people 148 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: have gone there bets to find you in the fifteenth 149 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: round and then to bring you in and for you 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: to make the team. How does a fifteenth round pick 151 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: make a football team? 152 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: I think I was blessed. I was truly blessed by 153 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: God because you're a fifteenth round draft choice. You're a 154 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: small guy from a small school. You know. It's just 155 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: the timing was right, and that timing was from the 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: Lord himself. So I take no credits for making it 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: other than being the right place the right time and 158 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: the Lord putting me there. 159 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: And punt returning and kick returning. That was the way in. 160 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: That was the way in. I just wanted to get 161 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: a chance to get the ball anyway I could to 162 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: prove that I could play with the guys who were 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: let's face, went to bigger schools, had more media attention 164 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: than myself. Well, I can play just as good as 165 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: them if given the opportunity, and lo and behold, I 166 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: was given that opportunity. 167 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Where did the dance come from? And when did it 168 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: first happen? I know, I know the dance itself was 169 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: the Funky Chicken? 170 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But where did. 171 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: It come from in your mind to do that? And 172 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: where did you first do it? 173 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: I first did it? I was you know, at that 174 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: time college we were playing a rival team of ours 175 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: and they were a little hoake, they got a little 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: above themselves, you know, and me being always in the 177 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: entertainment call at that time, I would be hosting my 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: club acts and stuff like that. So I yeah, I 179 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: had a chance to host Rufus Thomas who made the 180 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: funky who made the do the funky Chicken? And I'm 181 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: telling you another lie, So I shouldn't do that. I promised, 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: no more, no more storytelling. 183 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: I did that. 184 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: I could have happened, yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah, that's 185 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: what happened. In the court of blows. It could have happened. 186 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: I would have never You're right, because it's almost like 187 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: the truth, you know, but no, what happened, this is true. 188 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: We were playing a rival ball club of hours and 189 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: they said some things, which was bulletin board material. And 190 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: we were sitting in the I think, in the locker 191 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: room joking and you know, how guys are you push one? 192 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: Everybody pushing me envelope, And I said, I'll tell you what. 193 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: If I were to score, I'm want to dance and 194 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: I did something and he said, man, you ain't going 195 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: to do it? I said, man, I am. I really had. 196 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: I had no real intentions of doing it, but when 197 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: I scored, I had to do something because you know, 198 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: you can't live it down. You had been a plug 199 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: if you had done it at that time and said 200 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: you're going to do something, didn't do it. So I 201 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: scored a couple of times, I danced a couple of times, 202 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: and I kept my under the bargain. That's how I 203 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: looked at it. But it just so happened because we 204 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: had a lot of fun with it. We weren't trying 205 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: to be a derogatorory in any way, trying to rub 206 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: their noses in it. We were just having fun it 207 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: was part of what we did. 208 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: And you mentioned your coach, would that you be you? 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: He would let me be. And that's what I really liked. 210 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: That's what I really liked. He didn't say anything. There's 211 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: one time though, he did say, I was really upset 212 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: at that we were playing the team. I'm not going 213 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: to mention their names, and they were playing a little 214 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: dirty because they wanted to get me, you know, and 215 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: I understand you're a mark man, but I got a 216 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: little upset. So I broke into the open the field 217 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: and I sat down and I started slowing down and 218 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: I pointed at it, which is hot dogish and I'm 219 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: really not that player. And he said, why don't you 220 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: do that? Not in the over animated voice or anything 221 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: like that. He said, that's not you. He says, you know, 222 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: don't do that. He says, that's how you get hurt. 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: You set yourself up to get hurt. He said, but 224 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: you're a better person, the better person than that. Be 225 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: above that. And I felt about this big. I felt 226 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: about one inch tall because he was told the truth 227 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: and I knew better, but I just wanted to get 228 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: my point of revenge. I said, what they did to me, 229 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, trying to poke me in the eye, and 230 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: you know it's playing a little bit dirty, and they 231 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: normally wouldn't. But after that, no problems. 232 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: Did you know you were going to do that when 233 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: you got the end zoned when you were with the Oilers, 234 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: or did it just happen? 235 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: It just how I promise you It just happened. Because 236 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: it happened. And I beat the Steelers, I said, you 237 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: didn't went and won the Super Bowl seventy four. We 238 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: had beat the Steelers. I had scored on the end 239 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: around and Mike Wagner was the last time I had 240 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: to run past. 241 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: Number twenty three. 242 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sir, yes sir. And I went in there 243 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: and I automatically did it, and I said, oh shucks. 244 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: I said, here, I am up here on a big 245 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: stage and the professional ranks, and I'm being a hot dog. 246 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: But I wasn't. I went over and I asked him, 247 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: I'm about that. He said, that's what it takes. I 248 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 2: like to see more of it. I wasn't going to 249 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: go see, said Gilman. At that time he was a 250 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: head coach. He probably could care less. Because I got 251 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: in the end zone and mom just said, hey, that's 252 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: what it takes so be it, you know, And that's 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: what happened. I really didn't and then a couple other 254 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: times said I'm not going to dance again, and it 255 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: just happened. And later on they said, man, we like 256 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: that dance. We want to see you do it more. 257 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: And so anytime I would score after that, I would 258 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: I would dance. I used to get phone calls on 259 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: the road. Hopefully our team wins, but we want to 260 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: see you do the dance. I mean, I don't know 261 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: how they got my number at the hotel to call 262 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: and or say leave a message or it was fun 263 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: and it was fun. I just you know, in the 264 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: NFL was fun. I never ever try to humiliate another opponent. 265 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: They can't say that I did you look at any tape? 266 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: I always went to the end zone, corner of the 267 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: end zone the dance. 268 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: When did you know that it was something very different 269 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: and that people really loved it? 270 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: Wow, that's probably about the third time I did it, 271 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: and they said, man, we want to see that dance 272 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: today next game. I said, Wow, maybe something is good. 273 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: And it's even though you know, you get pumped up 274 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: more and you work harder because you're an entertainer. I mean, 275 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: we are entertainment, but I just it was just fun. 276 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: I mean I did it in the college all that time, 277 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: and the same at that time when I was in 278 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: college that people wanted to come to the game to 279 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: see what he would do next. That's what it was. 280 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: But I you know, like I say, it was all 281 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: part of getting our guys pumped up because they wanted 282 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: to see it. They had to hand it. Allowed me 283 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: to be successful, to get into the end zone, be 284 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: it a pump return, a kickoff return pass, or end 285 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: around or anything from scrimmish. They knew they had to 286 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: handle it and that was the celebration, not only for me, 287 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: but for the team. 288 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: More of the conversation with Billy White Shoes Johnson on 289 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: the OTP continues. But first we have to remind you 290 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: it's always game on with Duncan. So grab a coffee 291 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and kick off the action. Whether that's drinking a cup 292 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: of coffee on your way to the game or grabbing 293 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: one to go before watching the game at home, Duncan 294 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: is always there to help you get your game on. 295 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Just like the pros. We need to be at our 296 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: best come game time, which is why Duncan is the 297 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: most important part of your game day ritual because it's 298 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: always the best call for football America runs on Duncan. 299 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: But those Oilers teams you were on too. I mean 300 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: bum Films was a character, how he dressed and everything. 301 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: There were other characters on the team. Earl Campbell certainly 302 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: became a mythical figure. And so you were part of 303 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: something Love You Blue, where the Houston Oilers all of 304 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: the things that were with it challenging the Steelers for 305 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: the first time. Yes, in that era, it was a thing, 306 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: and you were a part of that thing that NFL 307 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: films would seemingly show every single week. 308 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: I think it's because there was an oddity at that 309 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: time when Bumble of this cowboy had and the players 310 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: are no name defense at that time. When you look 311 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: at I mean other than Curly, who else would you say? 312 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Maybe Al but thank because he'd been in all those years. 313 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: We got Robert Brazil on the defense and doctor dou Yeah, 314 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: and then you had uh Kenny Brow double oh, you know, 315 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: double oh. I remember John was Sindy talking about that. 316 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: So we had the big names like that. But you 317 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: know who would have said, yeah, that's good down there. 318 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: But when we got on the national stage and played 319 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: the Steelers tough and uh, of course they beat us 320 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: twice to get to the super Bowl, but it was 321 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: fun and see and you can tell a lot of 322 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: draft choices, I should say draft choices, a lot of 323 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: free agents made that team made it up at that 324 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: time to to make it what it was. So when 325 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: you were a hard working guy and we're all after 326 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, some of us didn't get 327 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: a chance to uh rifully sow, but we got we 328 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: got that second chance, and we wanted to make do 329 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: uh make well with it. So that's why we were 330 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: so close, I think. And we enjoyed each other. We 331 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: enjoyed being around each other, especially when they started the 332 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: city started getting behind this boy, and if all we 333 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: had and then we got it all. Oh wow, we 334 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: will offer Runny for sure. 335 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: That Billy white shoes, Johnson, the white shoes and the 336 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: end zone dance may have made you famous, but the 337 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is nineteen seventy five is one 338 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: of the greatest years for a returner in NFL history. 339 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: You're considered the greatest punt returner in NFL history. The 340 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: seventy fifth Anniversary team named you as their punt returner. 341 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: The one hundredth anniversary team in twenty eighteen named you 342 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: as the punt returner. So there was quite a bit 343 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: of substance behind what you did, more so than just 344 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: the flash. And as your career went on, especially when 345 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: you went to Atlanta later, you got a chance more 346 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: as a receiver. I mean, your career was incredibly accomplished 347 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: outside of just the fun part of it, and that 348 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: has to be special in your heart too. 349 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: It is. I've found a coach down there who knew 350 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: I could play inside. He enhanced my career the second 351 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: part of my career with the Falcons. But I'll say this, 352 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: it's the guys along the way that made it possible 353 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: for me. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention some 354 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: of them. Guys made it happen for me. You know, 355 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: you look at you got your names on defense and 356 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: are starting defense. Would be out there on punt returns, 357 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: you know, then you got to kick off returns. Some 358 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: of our offensive lineman be out there, starting offensive lineman 359 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: to be out there. So it was gratifying to see 360 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: these guys believed in me to, you know, to do 361 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: the best I can do. And I believe in them. 362 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: You look at for instance, Eddie Fish or Andy Dorris, 363 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: Ronnie comb Is, cl Whittington, Al Johnson, these guys who 364 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: made it happen for me offensively and defensively, and they 365 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: contributed as much to my success as I did. And 366 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: that's I think that's that's why, because we all wanted, 367 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: we were all on the same page. Let's get into 368 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: the end zone, let's let's win. And then with mom 369 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: his style of coaching only amplified it more so. 370 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: Well because him coming from the Bear Bryant Tree. Yes, 371 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: he believed in special teams dramatically. He was from that school. 372 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: That you can change field position sounds much like Mike 373 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: Rabel right now, change field position, you start every possession 374 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: with the first down, you can, you can pick up 375 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: a score, all of those sorts of things factoring in. 376 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: And then when you have a guy and we sat 377 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: with Chris Johnson in two thousand and nine, we saw 378 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: it with Derrick Henry in twenty twenty, when the team 379 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: starts to believe the person with the ball can hit 380 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: a home run. 381 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: They try, yeah, that's true, and that's true. And me 382 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: knowing that I'm going to have the wall, my hand. 383 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: They're expecting what I'm doing. So I got to make 384 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: sure I produce for them because they made some blocks. 385 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you see on several I guess films of 386 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: us returning the bowl, Robert Brazil making two blocks, Whittington, 387 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: Ronnie Coleman making two or three blocks. I'll never forget 388 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: about three weeks back to back, Ronnie c I forget 389 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: somebody else. They had knocked guys out of the game 390 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: on special things, and they did it fairly. They could 391 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: have probably gotten away with it today by today's stands, 392 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm hitting people. But the angles that they were taking 393 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: and the way that they were protecting me, golly day. 394 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: So I had to I had to produce because those 395 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: guys put on the line like that for me and 396 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: kickoff returns, gee whiz is the same thing. I mean, 397 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: we had starting guys out there on the special teams 398 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: and it's special. Uh. That's why I liked My mom 399 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: never gave me no directions of Okay, we've got to return, right, 400 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: but you go with what you see. Always, hey, handle 401 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: the ball, you know, you're never supposed to handle the 402 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: ball inside the tenure outline. I did that on several occasions, 403 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: not longer. Is that because he said, just get it. 404 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: If you feel you can get it, go with it. 405 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: What makes a great punt. 406 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: Returner, great judgment and right away with field presence of 407 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: catching the ball, knowing where you are on the field, 408 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: getting there quick, setting up like a baseball player, you know, 409 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: as if he's getting ready to throw the ball. But 410 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: once you get it, just such an instincts take over. 411 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: You know we're supposed to go, which you're supposed but 412 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: you don't know. You just got to go with the 413 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: flow of you know that, which is intrinsic to happen. 414 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: And if you buy you do that. Shoot, that's what 415 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: this And I would say I'll try some of them saying, see, 416 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: you know, set up quick, take the first step to 417 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 2: freeze them, then go with what you know. 418 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: It's Devin Hester, the greatest overall returner of all time. 419 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: Wow, it's one of the biggest I've seen. Physically. 420 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: He is a good sized guy. 421 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said, no, wonder it's tough to him. 422 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: And see he's what he knows. He got speed and 423 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: he can do it. But you've got guys like Gale 424 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: Sayers and you know, Rick up Church, and I'll tell 425 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: you in our conference you had Greg prud there's a 426 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: lot to be said about that. He uh, he's got 427 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: some contention there. 428 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: But the guys you're talking about weren't specialists. No, Rick 429 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: up Church played wide receiver. Greg Prue was a great 430 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: running back. 431 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: And go back to Eton. Yes, I mean, so who's 432 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: to say. I mean, that's been mentioned in that company. 433 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: I feel good because all those guys were they made 434 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: a difference in the game, but. 435 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: They're not the greatest punt returner. On the seventy fifth 436 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: anniversary or the one hundredth anniversary. 437 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: People see it differently. You you ain't trapping me. 438 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm not trapping I'm bragging on you 439 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: because I mean to think about the people who voted 440 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: on that, and the amount of football that's been played, 441 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: and the way the kicking game has evolved in different ways. 442 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I mean to be called not just 443 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: the first time around, you know, twenty five years in 444 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, but at twenty eighteen, to be called again, 445 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. What is that what you're most proud of? Wow? 446 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't as a football player. 447 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: Gosh, probably, but there's a lot of other games that 448 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the things, you know, like 449 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: when you talk about put returns, you really talk about 450 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: especially in this era after me. You look at Devin Hester, 451 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: you look at the Sanders, and a couple of guys 452 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: came behind them. They're good. But I think most of 453 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: you you'll see that the other like being on he 454 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: played a position, sure did. Most of us played a 455 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: position really and contributed, contributed in an actor in a 456 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: big way. Then you have something who just can't get 457 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: on the field, though they can do is punt and 458 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: kick off returna which is no slap in their face 459 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: to me. I mean, if you can catch punts and 460 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: I think about it and get it done, you where 461 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: you supposed to be. And that's why I say, I 462 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: hope they never take the returning game out of the 463 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: league altogether. And that's the exciting part of the football 464 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: game to me, the change of position. And when you 465 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: look at guys like that, I, like I said, I 466 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: feel happy to be mentioned like that and to be selected. 467 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 2: But there's a lot more out there. 468 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: But you think about the fabric of the NFL, and 469 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: everybody knows who you are because you're nicknamed. The story 470 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: of the end Zone dance, which is part of the 471 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: celebration which makes the NFL the number one sport in 472 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: America because it's not just a game, it's a show 473 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: and people love following every part of the show. And 474 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: the celebration is fine. When I started playing football, we 475 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: did the Billy White Shoes Johnson dance, Date me, well 476 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: but dating me. But the whole thing was, they can't 477 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: tell the story of this league without you, and I 478 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: mean that's I mean, and you've done a lot more. 479 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you were in the league fifteen years, You 480 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: had to go to Canada to work your way back 481 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: from an injury and to show that you could still 482 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: do it, and then you were with the Falcons for 483 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: fifteen years doing their director of player development, And I mean, 484 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: you've had a remarkable career in and outside of football. 485 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: But I mean, this has got to be for a 486 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: guy who played at Widener, and it's got to be 487 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: a little mind numbing, right it is. 488 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: I overwhelmed when when it is overwhelming to a point 489 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: when Amy Uh, they gave me the news that they 490 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: were going to put me to the Ring of Honor. Boy, 491 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I was speechless and overwhelmed because that takes 492 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: a lot for a team to sit down there and 493 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: decide who would go into the ring of honor. And 494 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the guys that I'm following, are Old Campbell, 495 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: Robert Brazil, uh, Frank Wai checking all these guys. It's 496 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: that's tall. You know, you're in big company, big time company. Uh. 497 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: And you know, I just felt blessed and fortunate that 498 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: I came along when I came along and played for 499 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: the right people. Uh. And I just I just have 500 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: been so fortunate. It's been a great walk for me, 501 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 2: a great run, and I have no regrets I do 502 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: it again. It's just like I say, you know, from 503 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: the very beginning when I've called Alan to honor the 504 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: strike at that time, and he asked me what around 505 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: was I drafted and the fifteenth he said, no, come 506 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 2: on in. Every since I called him that day, God 507 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: at his hand on me saying, Okay, we're gonna because 508 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't want they want to be a strike break 509 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: or a sky and Elma just said, hey, I guess 510 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: he thought I wasn't going to make the team be 511 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: in a fifteenth round drive show, so he said, yeah, 512 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: come on in. And then when he met me, I'll 513 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: never never forget. Oh you had a little piss and 514 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: who called me about coming to camp? He says, Man, 515 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: if I know how big you are, i'd have told you, no, 516 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: don't come at all. But it was so funny, and 517 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: I'd said yeah. He said, well, I'm glad you did it. 518 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: I'm glad you made things worked out for you. But 519 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: it's yeah, I guess this, this moment of being inducted 520 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: to the Ring of Honor is something I never thought about, 521 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: I never found in any way. 522 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: And Amy Adamstruck made it happen because she's been determined 523 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: to put the whole family together, and for those of 524 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: us here, it's been a beautiful thing to get to 525 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: experience all of it, to see all of this together 526 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: in this way. And like I said, I've known who 527 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: you were for fifty years, and so the excitement of 528 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: getting a chance to meet you and getting a chance 529 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: to see this happen for you. And I think people 530 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: of my age and even younger who know your story, 531 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: they knew immediately when Amy said she wanted to do this, 532 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: like absolutely, he's not already in and so it's you're 533 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: the eighteenth member and it's wonderful. 534 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, and I'm glad and first class all 535 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: the way, first class all the way. So it's like 536 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: I said, it's kind of overwhelming at that time. I mean, 537 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: for me, it is. 538 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Billy White Choos Johnson, thank you so much for joining 539 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: me on the OTP. Reminder that seat Geek is the 540 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. Whether you're buying 541 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: or selling tickets to Titans games or to any live 542 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: event in Nashville, seat Geek is the place to do it. 543 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: Seat Geek the new official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans, 544 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: so Titans fans can fan for the newest member of 545 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: the Oilers Titans Ring of Honor, Billy White Shoes Johnson, 546 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith. 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