1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the Supreme Court says Fed Governor 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Lisa Cook can remain in the job pending argument. We 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today, the Mary 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Trump Shows. Mary Trump stops by to talk about her 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: uncles mental decline. Then we'll talk to Bloomberg's own Jason 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Leopold about his blockbuster recording on the Jeffrey Epstein emails. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: But first the. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 3: Newsboy, let's spit to the people about the facts of 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: what's going to change with the government being shut down 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: now that we're in our first government shutdown of our FORTYESU, 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: and I shut up. 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: Why are you like this? I am not in my forties. 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm in my thirties, but I do remember there are 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: government shutdowns. So the government is shut down. Democrats Republicans 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: are at an impass. Here's what that means for you. 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: It means a lot of different things. So air traffic 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: controllers are going up without pay. These guys have had 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: a real fucking terrible time. These poor air traffic controllers mistreated, 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: saving our lives and probably the most important people in 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: this country, and they are going to have to skip 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: their pay. US Postal Service will keep the mail moving, 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: which is good because they're self funded, despite the fact 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: that Republicans are still at war with them for being 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 1: too expensive, even though there's self funded. 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: Despite the propaganda you may have heard the contrary. 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: Right Social Security SNAP safety Net programs, they'll continue, though 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: there may be some delay in service. You will remember 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: the richest man in the world had been trying to 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: make these things cheaper so he didn't have to pay 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: as much tax. So if there are disturbances with it, 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: like with SNAP, which is also being cut by Donald 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Trump's one piece of legislation, if there are disturbances in it, 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: you know who to blame. Trump administration has in fact 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: gotten ahead of the people who lose a shut down 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: besides the American people who lose, all who just constantly 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: keep getting fucked are the people who get blamed for it. 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: So Republicans are using every bit of tax payer money 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: to blame Democrats. When you went on the HUD website yesterday, 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: it said radical left Democrats will shut down your government 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: at midnight because they hate you. We're seeing a lot 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: of that Republicans saying stuff like it's because democrats. 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: I mean Donald J. 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Trump you may remember saying that the reason that they're 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: shutting the government down is because they want to get 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: health care for illegals that's illegal, unlike people who are 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: not illegal. Healthcare for people who are not citizens is illegal. 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there may be miss paychecks, lost jobs for 50 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: a bunch of federal employees. I'm married to one, so 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: that sits home. But you know who's going to keep 52 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: out their funding? 53 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: The largest paramilitary organization, the President's Secret Army. 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: Are they going to keep their funding? 55 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: That is correct. 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: They're going to get to keep getting paid because they're 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: doing what's the important work. 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Apparently ICE is going to keep being funded. Also, they're 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: having their student debt paid off. So if you're not 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: furious about how this is going down, then you are 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: probably not paying attention. 62 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: It will also mean that a lot of. 63 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: Times in previous shutdowns you would have they would prioritize 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: people who are in immigration detention. But because this administration 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: wants people to be an immigration detention for longer, they 66 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: are not prioritizing them, which I think is a good 67 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: example of where we are right now. Mike Johnson, jd Vance, 68 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, all of this crew is out there trying 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: to message this thing, and they're havings. 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: You think they're having some difficulties. What even Fox News 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: makes Mike Johnson, Basically we the bed. 72 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: The problem is there's only so much, you know, Donald 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Trump occupies this sort of earth to situation where everything 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: is sort of we're in the post truth ecosystem, and 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at here. I'm going to read 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: you a little bit from friend of the show George Stephanopolos, 77 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: who we love for any number of reasons, and because 78 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: he has poken out there doing his job, which happens 79 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: to be the most brave thing you can do right now. So, 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: the Democratic proposal is designed to prevent millions of Americans 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: from losing their health insurance, losing Medicaid coverage, or paying 82 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: higher healthcare premiums. Why are you against that, Stephanoppolis asked. 83 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Johnson said, that's an absurd statement what you said there, 84 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: and Stephanopplos said it's a factual statement. Johnson instead said 85 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: the Democra want to give healthcare to illegal aliens instead 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: of keeping critical services provided to the American citizens. Lying 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: has worked for this administration and so they will keep 88 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: doing it. 89 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. So when the Trump administration is not picking 90 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: the winners and losers of which companies get to win 91 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: in capitalism, they're also doing it with states funding. And 92 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: the person who's doing it is one Rousspot, author of 93 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five. 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: I just want to point out, like, we pay more 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: federal taxes than we get, we being New York, New York, 96 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: but also me now I mean also meet too. We 97 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: as a state and also as a city pay more 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: federal taxes than we get. So you when you take 99 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: in money away, like eventually these states are going to 100 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: be like why even pay federal taxes? So Trump administration 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: has frozen eighteen billion for infrastructure projects in New York City, 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: making sure that funding is not flowing on unconstitutional deis principles. 103 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: By the way, DEI not in the constitution, in case 104 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: you're wondering, cannot be unconstitutional, not in it. I like 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: that these people just so it's unconstitutional. First of all, 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: eighty percent of what this administration is doing is unconstitutional. 107 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: So if we're going to go into like it's unconstitutional, now, okay, 108 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: it's not even unconstitutional eighty percent with his admistration is 109 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: against a law. 110 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: You know, the courts are like, no, you can't send 111 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: troops into La. 112 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: It's posse commentatis like no, no, no, no, no, no no. 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: So Russ Vatt is illegally freezing eighteen billion dollars that 114 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: he does not have, just like he's impounding money that's 115 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: supposed to be spent that Congress is allocated, just like that. 116 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: He's doing that with New York. 117 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I think it's a little 118 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: bit ironic because Donald Trump has a lot of buildings 119 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: in New York and a lot of friends who do 120 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: real estate in New York, and is quite obsessed with 121 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: his rich New York friend. So it's interesting to me 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: to see, Like I expect Donald Trump to get a 123 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: lot of phone calls, a lot of crabby on the 124 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: golf course. I will not be surprised to see this. 125 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: So Forney State ags have sued the Trump administration over 126 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: a rule that bars aid to some sex abuse and 127 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: rape survivors. This has led by New York Attorney General James. 128 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you may remember Letitia James is one of the 129 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: many Democrats that Donald Trump wants to throw in jail. 130 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's a DOJ rule, a new DOJ rule 131 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: that bar states from aiding survivors who cannot immediately prove 132 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: their immigration status. So the idea here is is, if 133 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: you get raped and you might not be a citizen, 134 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: you don't get thrown into a detention center. And sexual 135 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: assault and domestic violence survivors to into our courts for 136 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: safety and protection. Johnson says in a statement. They should 137 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: never be turned away because of who they are, where 138 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: they come from. You know who's going to disagree. 139 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: With that, Donald J. 140 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Trump and one Stephen Miller. But you know, good for 141 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: the AGS for fighting this. And you know you and 142 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: I have interviewed a ton of Democratic ags and they 143 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: have really tried as hard as possible to uphold the 144 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: law and to sue this administration's lawlessness. 145 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: Yep. So, maya, I want to put you a clip 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: from a guy where a big fan of his name 147 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: is JB. 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: Pritzker, suggest that you're going to arrest people or that 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 5: people don't deserve to be US citizens when they are 150 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: just because they oppose the President of the United States. 151 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 5: And there is something genuinely wrong with this man and 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: the twenty fifth Amendment ought to be invoked. 153 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: Sparring continues, Yeah, he's right. I mean it seems generous. 154 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: But I think he's right. 155 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 3: And I think it's very funny that Hiven News some 156 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: now are really coming for the cognitive decline argument. 157 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: It's not untrue. That's the other part of it, right. 158 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: I mean when you listen to him compared to four 159 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: years ago, even two years ago, it's yikes. For all 160 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: the shit they talked on Biden. 161 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone called Jake Tapper because we're going to need 162 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: a book. Mary Trump is the host of The Mary 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: Trump Show. She's the author of Who Could Ever Love You? 164 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: A family memoir. 165 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Mary Trump. 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: Mother Duck Fast? 167 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Hi? Oh so bad? 168 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: What to say? What to say? 169 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: I can't believe we've been doing this for so long? 170 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, A thousand years is a long 171 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 4: time to do anything. Yeah. 172 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: I feel like we should talk about the military trip 173 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: because I have a theory that what's happening right now 174 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: and I and I bet you think, I bet you're 175 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: going to think this is right, but maybe you think 176 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: it's wrong. So Pete hagg Sath brought every general from 177 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: all over the world back, so that he could be like, 178 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: give a big speech like a leader, and Donald Trump 179 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: was like, way, way White, I'm going to give a 180 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: speech too. 181 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: What's going on there? 182 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 4: Well, that's that's sort of basic Donald psychology. What I 183 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: wan he felt threatened because somebody, in his view was 184 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 4: trying to one up him and get more attention. And 185 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: who knows if he knew that this thing was happening, 186 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: or if he didn't really think about it much until 187 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: he realized what a big deal it was. And of course, Bigdald, 188 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: he didn't realize why it was a big deal. It 189 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: wasn't a big deal. It was not a big deal 190 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: because anything serious was meant to happen here. It wasn't 191 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: because Haig Seth, as Secretary of Defense sorry War, was 192 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: going to give every single military leader in the United 193 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: States a brief about something vital. It was a photo 194 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: op and an attempt for Hegzeth to make the world 195 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: believe that he either knew anything or was a strong leader. 196 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: But the reason it was a big deal is because 197 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: it was so unnecessary, so embarrassing, so costly, and so 198 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: dangerous to our national security. But all Donald saw was, Oh, 199 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: it's going to be televised and why should Pete Hegseth 200 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: get all the glory. So yes, he had to, he 201 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 4: had to horn in on heg Seth's territory. 202 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: It speaks in my mind to what I think is 203 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: happening right now in Trump world, and which is it feels. 204 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: It certainly feels like there's this SUSI succession fight happening 205 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and you're seeing like RFK Junior, JD. Vans, Seth, 206 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: all of them sort of jockeying. And that is a 207 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: way in which this Trump two point zero feels very 208 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: different than Trump one point Oh. 209 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: Interesting, Well, it's different for so many reasons. Uh, partially 210 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: because I think you're right there. There is definitely some 211 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: kind of succession battle going on. That is, it's not 212 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: exactly under the radar. You had JD. Vans a few 213 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: years of years, because years years, a few weeks ago 214 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: saying Donald's fine, he's at the peak of health. But 215 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: if he died, I'm ready, you know, exactly subtle. 216 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: Imagine if Harris had said that about Biden. 217 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, there's also 218 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 4: this race and this is this is this is not 219 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 4: now to outsick a fabta. So when they're jocking for 220 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 4: a position. Two, they're seeing who can kiss his ass 221 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: most effectively, and I think cash Mittel continues to win 222 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 4: that that particular battle. But hag Seth is definitely trying 223 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: to flex. He can't really flex. If you've seen him 224 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: try to do a pull up, you'll understand. But Donald 225 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 4: also and we're seeing this increasingly as well. And this 226 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: is one of the reasons why their position we're in 227 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: is mostarious, more precarious than it's been. Is whether or 228 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: not he's aware of the jogging for a position. I mean, 229 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: certainly others around him would be, like Stephen Miller, for example, 230 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: But Donald does feel threatened, whether it's by his underlings 231 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: or by the bad pulling or what have you. He 232 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 4: is absolutely doing everything in his power to appear tougher 233 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: than he is. And I think that was also part 234 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 4: of the reason that he showed it up yesterday, because 235 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: on the one hand, much of the speech, and we 236 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 4: saw this in the New York Times, was the regular 237 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 4: old stuff he talks about every day. All right, Obama 238 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 4: is terrible. I'm afraid of stares. I won in twenty twenty. 239 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: But then you know, two thirds of the way in 240 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: we are declaring war and the enemy within and you know, 241 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 4: you top rowt of the military must be using American 242 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: citizens as battlegrounds, like oh okay, that's that's dark so 243 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: and that's I think the same impetus is behind his 244 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 4: ordering military strikes on tiny vessels in the Caribbean Sea 245 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: and obliterating the vessels and the human beings on board them. 246 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: In our history of covering this guy's president, whenever there's 247 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: been a chance to say something really outside the mainstream, 248 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: he's done it. And I wonder when he said, you know, 249 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: we're I would like to see you guys train in 250 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: American cities. It's shocking that he said that, but it's 251 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: not particularly surprising because whenever he and and I think 252 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: like that has worked really well for him because because 253 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: sort of nobody he says and he can. I mean, 254 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: once you've said things that with such regularity that are 255 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: so outside the norm, it doesn't it's become sort of 256 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: without meaning. 257 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, uh well, I think it becomes normalized, right, yes, 258 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: So so the threat falls away. And I think this 259 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: is you know, he's very good at He's good at 260 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: very few things, but he is good at flooding the 261 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: zone and repeating himself to the point where what he 262 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: says either becomes meaningless or it becomes non threatening. And 263 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: the corporate corporate media have done it quite spectacular job 264 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: of helping normalize him, either by sanew washing his insane 265 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: comments or just reporting on what he says and not 266 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 4: putting it in the context of how dangerous much of 267 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 4: it is because essentially, and you know, the other, the 268 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: other corrupt entity that has helped him is of course, 269 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: the corrupt, diligitimate super majority of the Supreme Court. And 270 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: that's another thing. Donald is good at gaming the legal 271 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: system to draw things out or to use it as 272 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 4: a blunt tool to get his way. So he breaks 273 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: the law, he commits an unconstitutional act, it goes through 274 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 4: the courts, it drugs on. He keeps doing the illegal 275 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: and constitutional thing. It seems like it's a normal thing 276 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: now to have American American military and American cities, right, 277 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 4: and then the Supreme Court. Besides, you know, he has 278 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: that a shadow docket that says, we don't know yet 279 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: if this is legal or it's constitutional, but ye doing 280 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: it until we decide. So he has a lot of help. 281 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I mean, they're definitely it does seem 282 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court is pretty scared of him or 283 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: go or they're just sort of on a roll with 284 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: him and delighted. 285 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: I mean, it could be both. And the reason I 286 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 4: laugh is because, and you and I have talked about 287 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: this a lot, the idea that anybody is afraid of 288 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: that man is so laughable and embarrassing to me, but 289 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 4: so many people are. Yeah. I know, I have to 290 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 4: get over it and accept it, but I have a 291 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 4: hard time doing it because it's so unfathomable. So I'm 292 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: not going to I would guess that John Roberts probably is, 293 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: and I would guess that Samuel Dido and Clarence Thomas 294 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 4: are delighted that they are leefully taking this as an 295 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: opportunity to do what they've wanted to do for decades 296 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: and create America in their own image as a country 297 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: that is essentially a theocratic apartheid state in which only white, 298 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: wealthy Christian men straight of course, unless you're Peter Teel, 299 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: have a say and how this country is governed. 300 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: I want to go back to this idea that there 301 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: are people scared of Trump, because I think there are 302 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, we've seen corporations make payments for 303 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: things that they didn't. Oh, we've seen, you know, people 304 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: do things for regulatory favor that were insane. We've seen 305 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: just all you know, We've seen just sort of a 306 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: gamut of people be clowning themselves for Trump. I think 307 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: it's because we're soft as a culture and we've never 308 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: had to stand up for our values. 309 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: But do you have a different theory of the case. 310 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 4: We have taken so much for granted. I think part 311 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: of the problem, certainly in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty and 312 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: even twenty twenty four, was that so much remain unimaginable 313 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 4: to people. And in twenty twenty four that attitude was, 314 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 4: in my view, inexcusable because we saw what happened with 315 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 4: Roe v. Wade, we saw what happened with the Chevron doctrine, 316 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: we saw what this corrupt the legitimate super majority of 317 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 4: Supreme Court was more than willing to do. They essentially 318 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 4: made Donald Trump at imperial president. So we were forward 319 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 4: sufficiently in twenty twenty four. But people are lazy and 320 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: as you say, soft, and it was just incomprehensible. They 321 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 4: liked what they saw with the corporations and the white 322 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 4: to law firms and universities and others. I think that 323 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 4: some of it is fear, but I think more of it. 324 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it depends on what the fear is. 325 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: I think for many of them it's just fear of 326 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 4: their bottom line and fear of displeasing their boards their investors. 327 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: But it's more it's which is just another way of 328 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 4: saying they're craven and the only thing they care about 329 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: their profits and democracy be damned. Okay, good to know. 330 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: I think at the indellividual level, fear is in the 331 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: sense of I am afraid of what this person can 332 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: do to me, is more operative, and I think that's 333 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: why we see Republicans to a person, behaving as if 334 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 4: they exist solely to do Donald Trump's bidding. Now against 335 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: some of them are true believers, and some of them 336 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: do want a fascist authoritarian regime in which the minority 337 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: has power in perpetuity. But yeah, then there are some 338 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 4: who are just afraid of an angry tweet or a 339 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: primary or in some cases, their physical safety because we 340 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: know Donald is completely willing to sick his followers on 341 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: individuals who cross him. Now, I understand it, but it's 342 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 4: not acceptable if that's the problem. Then resign and let 343 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 4: somebody who has a backbone serve, because then you're not 344 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: serving you are you are perverting the system to favor 345 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: one person over the many. And I said, sounded like 346 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 4: a line from Star Trek. Actually, but you know, we 347 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 4: are heading to the apocalyptic cars. It does feel like that. 348 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: So I understand fear is a very powerful motivator, but 349 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 4: I just also don't find it acceptable because it's not 350 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: like they're the only people who've been on the sharp 351 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 4: end of Donald's attacks. 352 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: He seems exhausted. You know, you actually know him. Does 353 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: he seem exhausted to you? Is this wishful thinking? I 354 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: mean what I mean, I'm just curious what your take 355 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: on this is. 356 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, he seems exhausted. That there's no doubt about that. 357 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: And in some ways he definitely seems to be deteriorating. 358 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 4: But then again, Hattie tell because he seems to have 359 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: been deteriorating for so many years now that I was 360 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 4: actually talking to somebody about this the other day, it 361 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: surprises me that his decline isn't more rapid and comprehensive, 362 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: that he's still able to pull himself together and be 363 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 4: coherent on occasion. But I think there are a couple 364 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 4: of things going on, and this was the problem we 365 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: had with Joe Biden, even though they're almost exactly the 366 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: same age, And I would say that Joe Biden was 367 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: cognitively more intact than Donald. 368 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: I mean, they here is pretty rich, Like we're definitely 369 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: seeing a very similar scenario with very old man and 370 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: the president say right. 371 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: But again I think Donald it is certainly now and 372 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: was that worse cognitively and certainly intellectually and psychologically. So 373 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 4: the difference though is Biden was quiet and stumbled with 374 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 4: his words sometimes because he had a stutter, and Don 375 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: so cloud and aggressive, and that translates very differently to 376 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: people who aren't paying attention to what he's actually saying. 377 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 4: The other thing we cannot control for or factor in, 378 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: because we don't know the extent of it. How managed 379 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: is he, how potentially medicated is he? Right right, We 380 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 4: don't know any of that. 381 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump has benefited from doing so much media. 382 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: So when you have so much media, you know he's 383 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: doing full sprays, He's doing this, he's doing that. It's 384 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: not a compliment, but it's more of an explain er. 385 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: He does so much. 386 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: That even if he makes a mistake. 387 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Nobody's remembering it because there are ten press conferences later. 388 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: Whereas Biden was so careful and did so little media 389 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: that every word he said was totally parsedon. 390 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: Harris had the same problem. 391 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, that's a really good point. And it just 392 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 4: goes along with that concept of flooding the zone. And 393 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 4: he does it both in terms of actions, you know, 394 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 4: deploying troops in some multiple cities and blowing shit up 395 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 4: and going after his perceived political enemies and destroying agencies 396 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 4: and on and on and on. How do you know 397 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: where to focus your attention? Oh wait, we need to 398 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: be focused on everything. Well, good luck with that. And 399 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 4: he does indeed do the same thing verbally, and I 400 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 4: think that also is to his advantage because corporate media 401 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: can seem to keep up either because then instead of 402 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: parsing what he says and telling us what he says, 403 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: they again sainew wash it because they want to make 404 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 4: it coherent for readers. Well, it's not coherent, and that's information, 405 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 4: that's data, and people need to deserve to know that 406 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 4: he isn't actually saying this thing. You're pretending he's saying 407 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 4: by filling in the blanks. Right, he's saying it this way, 408 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: and it's gibberish, and he's the president of the United States, 409 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: and we should be terrified. 410 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: It is true. 411 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: And I have I remember anytime I've written about him, 412 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: like you'll transcribe some of a speech, and if you 413 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: really listen to it and transcribe it, it's very different 414 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: than what you see in quotes. And it's why you 415 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: can't get as many quotes from him, because he won't 416 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: necessarily say things. 417 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: And I think it actually. 418 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: Really served him was he'll say things like when he 419 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: started when he came down the escalator back in twenty fifteen, 420 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: and we were all young and slept through the night. 421 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah exat naive, right, or we were like this will 422 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: burn itself right out. He said Mexicans are rapists. And 423 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: that was the last time he like really made a 424 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: sentence that you could quote like that. Like a lot 425 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: of the times you'll see him and his sentence will fragment, 426 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: so it'll end up quoted in a way that won't 427 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: be completely clear as to what he's saying, and then 428 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: his people will get it. But for example, the Great 429 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: One was and and there are good people on both sides. 430 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: Yep, it's like mad libs. You know, you could fill 431 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 4: it in however you want and interpret it. Actually, that's 432 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: that's a bad analogy. 433 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: It's true like his people know what he means. 434 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: Or they know what they want him to be, right, certainly, 435 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: that is one thing. The question remains why anybody who's 436 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 4: objective would take the step of trying to make his 437 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 4: incoherence coherent. Who does that serve? It only serves him, 438 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: and it's a false representation of what's going on. 439 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: Mary Trump, will you come back. 440 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: Of course, Molly job Fest. 441 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: Jason Leopold is an investigative reporter for Bloomberg News. 442 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics, Jason. 443 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 6: Molly, it's great to be here. 444 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what you've been doing, because it's 445 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: unbelievably awesome. 446 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 6: And thank you. 447 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: Well, there are Epstein files that there are huge numbers 448 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: of Ebstein files that the federal government has that it's 449 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: not releasing for who knows why, who knows, but Republicans 450 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: no longer want. 451 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: To release it. 452 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: You have been releasing these tranches of different stuff, So 453 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: talk to me about these tranches. 454 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 6: I'll set the scene for you if I may please. 455 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 6: We obtained eighteen thousand emails from Jeffrey Epstein's private email accounts. 456 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 6: He had many different email accounts. This is from his 457 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 6: his I know, seriously, this is from his Yahoo one 458 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 6: of his Yahoo accounts, or a Yahoo account. And I 459 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 6: can't tell you how it was obtained. I can just 460 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 6: tell you that, you know, we obtained it. We have 461 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 6: an amazing team of data reporters and engineers who verified 462 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 6: these emails and did a lot of forensic work around it. 463 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: How do you do that? 464 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: You know? 465 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 6: I would have to direct you to the story because 466 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 6: there is no way I could put this into brand English. 467 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 6: But it involved like looking, you know, inspecting metadata, cryptographic analysis, 468 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 6: I tech stuff, Molly. But they spend considerable time, you know, 469 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 6: doing that because that was really important to us when 470 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 6: we obtained this is like to ensure that you know, 471 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 6: this was authentic. So we started going through these emails, 472 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 6: and what these emails show is a side of Jeffrey 473 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 6: Epstein that I have to say. This is remarkable because 474 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 6: it has never been revealed before. It's brand new. What 475 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 6: we have is Epstein in his own voice, right, So 476 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 6: everything that we've heard over the past twenty years has 477 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 6: been you know, through court documents, through lawyers. We obviously 478 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 6: have victims testimony, but how Jeffrey Epstein was responding to 479 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 6: what was taking place in terms of the charges against him, 480 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 6: the prosecution behind the scenes, in his own voice. We've 481 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 6: never had that opportunity to hear him, if you will, 482 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 6: Orgulay Maxwell, and to really get a sense of what 483 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 6: their partnership was, Like we know who you know traveled 484 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 6: on Epstein's jet, but the kind of raw discussions that 485 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 6: were taking place that we've been writing about and what 486 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 6: it actually means is revelatory. 487 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: Sort of give me the tap lines on it because 488 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting. 489 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 6: So, you know, the first story that we that we 490 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 6: reported was around Peter MANDELSSHN. Peter Mandelson, who is the 491 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: UK ambassador to the US, essentially showed Peter mandelssh trying 492 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 6: to help Epstein after he was charged. You know, we 493 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 6: knew Peter Mandelson had a relationship that this shows just 494 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 6: how deep that relationship was, how close it was, and 495 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 6: how you know Mandelssohn was was working to help Epstein. 496 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 6: You know, he said in one email like essentially this 497 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 6: was an injustice. He should use Sunsu's art of war 498 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 6: to fight these these charges, and you know, when we 499 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 6: reported that story, it ultimately led to Peter Mandelsson's ouster 500 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 6: and Maxwell. What the emails we presented showed is that 501 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 6: one that you had a very close relationship with him, 502 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 6: and she guided him. You know, even during the prosecution. 503 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 6: There was one point where he sent her an email saying, 504 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 6: what do you think I should plead guilty to lud 505 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 6: and lascivious conduct or you know, kind of rattled off 506 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 6: another charge, and Maxwell, you know, responds with, you know, 507 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 6: I would prefer loud and Lasiviu's conduct with a prostitute 508 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 6: if possible, and this and and you know I'm paraphrasing here, 509 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 6: but this involved like, you know, discussions around a minor 510 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 6: as well. And then you know, there was discussions about 511 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 6: they were having a you know, a shared fertility treatment 512 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 6: together right before you know, he was getting ready to 513 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 6: go to prison. 514 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: So they were going to have a kid together. 515 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 6: That's certainly what the emails make it certainly make it 516 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 6: appear to be. Yeah, we had this gift spreadsheet that 517 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 6: tracked about two million dollars in spending that were for 518 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 6: gifts that they were handing out to various people, including 519 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 6: Tom Barrick, the US ambassador to Turkey. He got eleven 520 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 6: thousand dollars Rolex watch, which he didn't of her receiving 521 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 6: Doug band A, you know, former Clinton aide. 522 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: Right, Quinton's body man, right, Yeah, you got. 523 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 6: To list it as a receiving a thirty four in 524 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: this gift spreadsheet, a thirty five thousand dollars watch that 525 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 6: they gifted to him, but he too says that he 526 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 6: never received it. So, you know, the big pictures that 527 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 6: these emails add depth to the relationships that we already 528 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 6: knew in some cases that he had. You know, it 529 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 6: goes even further in showing how those relationships worked, how, 530 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 6: you know, disturbingly, how some of the emails show how 531 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 6: Epstein treated these women. 532 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: So say more about that, well, I mean. 533 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 6: And you know, in the first story, we showed how 534 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 6: you know, he was berating the women, manipulating them, psychologically, 535 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 6: abusing them, women who you know, who were working for him, 536 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: that some who were said to be acting as recruiters 537 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 6: for him. There is a bunch of emails that we 538 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 6: highlighted that showed how one woman who was working for 539 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 6: him was scouting for other girls kind of sent a 540 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 6: description of her to Epstein, and his response was, you know, 541 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 6: fatin Asian. Sorryll. 542 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: So what you really got to see inside his head 543 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: in the way he treated these. 544 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 7: Women, Yeah, you really did in a way that it's 545 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 7: disturbing because it's now you're hearing in a way his voice, 546 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 7: you know, the emails bring him back to life, if 547 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 7: you will. 548 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you saw in those emails that 549 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: you were really surprised by? 550 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: I mean, like people that you were surprised by? 551 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I really was surprised by the relationship, 552 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 6: how close the relationship with Maxwell really was. I mean, 553 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 6: we already knew they were close, but this was, you know, 554 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 6: the emails are on another level, and I was really 555 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 6: surprised to see how they worked together to vilify and 556 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 6: discredit these young women. You know, I should note that 557 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 6: they're you know, the first thing we checked for, you know, 558 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 6: when we got the emails, you know, obviously we look 559 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 6: to see, if you know, if Trump's name was there, 560 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 6: and there are a few references to Trump, you know, 561 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 6: and one of the references to Trump is he appears 562 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 6: in a list, you know, a couple of months after 563 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 6: Epstein is charged in Florida, there's a list that Maxwell 564 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 6: had put together, you know, a long list of names. 565 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 6: Trump is on that list. She sends this over to 566 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 6: Epstein and she says, please add or remove Peeps is 567 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 6: how she puts it, and he responds, removed Trump. I 568 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 6: have to say, we don't know what that means. We're 569 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 6: close to sort of figuring that out. We'll continue our reporting. 570 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 6: There's another email where Trump, you know, appears This is 571 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 6: had a time when the media is starting to really 572 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 6: really cover the charges against Epstein, and you know, Maxwell 573 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 6: says to Epstein in an email that you have to 574 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 6: assume they went to Trump, to the documents in West 575 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 6: Palm Beach and others, and it sort of suggests that 576 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 6: reporters may have gone to Donald Trump to gather some information, 577 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 6: you know, around Epstein. 578 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 2: Do you think they had. 579 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 6: I mean, we asked the White House for comment around this. 580 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure they were very forthcoming. They're known for their candor. 581 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 6: I will say they responded quickly by calling it fake news, 582 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 6: so I was you know, we did get a response 583 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 6: rather quickly from them. But you know, I think that 584 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 6: the big maybe one of the big surprises for me 585 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 6: was just seeing how the academics and scientists are researchers 586 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 6: who you know he corresponded with and was was working 587 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 6: with in terms of funding their projects. How close that 588 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 6: relationship was again after he was charged. I mean, there 589 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 6: is one chilling email, truly chilling email from this UCLA 590 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 6: you know, neuroscientist named Mark Trema or he's affiliated with 591 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 6: UCLA as an adjunct, and this email said this came 592 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 6: right after the New York Post reported the charges of 593 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 6: Kencepty and he said, I want you to know the 594 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 6: boys from the Bronx, you know, know who their friends are. 595 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was wild, that thing. Yeah. 596 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 6: So it's expanding on this narrative that is already out 597 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 6: there and really kind of showing in Epstein's own voice 598 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 6: how he was responding to the charges or what how 599 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 6: he was maneuvering and dealing with it and behind the scenes, 600 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 6: and how everyone around him was either trying to help 601 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 6: him or offer you know comfort. It's just a new 602 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 6: addition to what's out there. 603 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: I'd love you to talk about the Dershowitz stuff, Becausewitz 604 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: has really the clowned himself again and again in this. 605 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 6: By the way, in that spreadsheet of gifts that tracked 606 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 6: all these gifts, you know, Dershowitz got a seventy one 607 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 6: thousand dollars car Alexis or his wife. He said it 608 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 6: was for his wife, actually that the carl was first wife. 609 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: And isn't there stuff about how he paid Dershwitz like 610 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: five million dollars yeah, three and two or yeah. 611 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 6: Which Dershowitz said he thought it was a little less. 612 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 6: But there's this letter drafted that has Dershowitz's name on 613 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 6: an email that Epstein planned to send to us friends, 614 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 6: you know, where it says I'm writing to you as 615 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 6: a friend of Jeffrey Epstein. But it also appears that 616 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 6: Epstein had a hand in, you know, drafting that letter 617 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 6: and that Dershowitz was you know, was going to send it. 618 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean it's you know that that relationship 619 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 6: with Dershowitz is you know, what we're able to have 620 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 6: laid there, and you know, certainly we're going to continue reporting, 621 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 6: is that that was a relationship that in some ways 622 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 6: seem to extend little beyond just you know, lawyer clients. 623 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 6: You know, I'm not saying that, you know, maybe that's 624 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 6: not unusual perhaps, but seeing that kind of laid there 625 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 6: in the emails, particularly this apology letter, right, this apology 626 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 6: letter that you know is going to be sent to 627 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 6: Epstein's friends was remarkable and again just the kind of 628 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 6: you know, behind the scenes discussion that is very off 629 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 6: the cuff in some in some ways that just hasn't 630 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 6: been out there. Jershu Witz, I do want to say 631 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 6: it was really really he responded to us. You know, 632 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 6: we included his comments and he was saying that it's 633 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 6: you know, something says he's just advocating for his client. 634 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 6: You know, that's what good lawyers do. That was his response. 635 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: What other stuff like, do you have more is there? 636 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 6: Well, Molly, that's the stuff we've been We've published, but 637 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 6: we are continuing reporting, which only means that I have 638 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 6: to come back on your show so I can discuss it. 639 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: Trump administration is running roughshaw over basically all of our 640 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: fundamental rights. You have this incredible ability to sort of 641 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: get information from the I mean, there's a lot of 642 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: information that's not clearly being kept that's supposed to be kept. 643 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that there are documents that can thread 644 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: this needle? 645 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: And do you think you can get. 646 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 6: Them around the Epstein man know all. 647 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: The shit that's going down right now? 648 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 6: Gotcha? 649 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 650 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 6: I mean, that's exactly what I've been doing. I have 651 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 6: to say, what's really sad is, you know what the 652 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 6: government shutdown. That also means that the FOYA is shut down, right, 653 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 6: I mean the the processing of records that I depend 654 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 6: upon and share with the public around these very issues 655 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 6: that you're talking about about, Like what the heck is 656 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 6: going on? It's just on ice for now, But yeah, no, 657 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 6: I mean I feel like, you know, I have this 658 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 6: weekly newsletter called FOYA Files. It's a you know, weekly newsletter. 659 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 6: I have been like trying to probably lose records out 660 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 6: of this administration. And I have to say that in 661 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 6: some ways it's like extremely difficult on some fronts, but 662 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 6: in others it's been you know, pretty successful, you know, 663 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 6: in terms of just showing how they're doing what they're doing. 664 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 6: Just as an example, like you know, I was in 665 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 6: d C and there are these huge banners of Trump 666 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 6: hanging off like you know, the US Labor I was like, 667 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 6: how did that happen? 668 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: You know? 669 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 6: If ilw this request with the USDA, it gave me 670 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 6: records to you know, show how much a cost to 671 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 6: get these banners, what was behind putting it up there? 672 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 6: So you know, I think that, you know, we're squeezing 673 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 6: out some info out of the you know, out of 674 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 6: the administration. It's a little bit more difficult because they're 675 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 6: also getting rid of the foyer officers, the people who 676 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 6: process these records. I mean, they're part of the purge. 677 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Will you come back, Jason, I. 678 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 6: Would love to come back, Molly, No moment. 679 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 2: Jesse Channon. 680 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 4: I judged Fast. 681 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 3: A judge just disqualified Nevada's acting US attorney from handling 682 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: cases because the Trump administration has been doing some serious 683 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 3: fuckery trying to keep they're really incompetent appointees in positions 684 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 3: of power. 685 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: The best thing about the Trump administration is it's incredible incompetence. 686 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: If American democracy ends up surviving, it will be because 687 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: of the incredible incompetence. We saw this in New Jersey. 688 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: There US attorney is also getting the boot. I remind you, 689 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: none of this is legal. If you can run out 690 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: the clock, you can win. 691 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: That's it for. 692 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: This episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, 693 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make 694 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, 695 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 696 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.