WEBVTT - VAN LATHAN - Angola State Grilled Cheese Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not in La today. We are over here

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<v Speaker 1>at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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<v Speaker 1>man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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<v Speaker 1>office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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<v Speaker 1>Commissioner of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into where you're at today, I want you to take

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<v Speaker 1>me back to where you were when you were broke.

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<v Speaker 1>What dish you're gonna have cook for us to eat today?

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<v Speaker 2>So you can start with that, eat my throat.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get out of college around I would say

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and three, two thousand and three, I get

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<v Speaker 3>out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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<v Speaker 3>my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody's story seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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<v Speaker 3>when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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<v Speaker 3>moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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<v Speaker 3>that they realize something, But when you're in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of it, you don't know. You'll know when it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen for you, you'll know how it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>happen for you. Certain people have more certainty than other

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<v Speaker 3>people do. But all you can do is work and try.

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<v Speaker 3>And I get to this point, and it's this weird,

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<v Speaker 3>odd point to where I'm like, nothing that I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was going to happen and or no way that I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go is the way that I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And so I'm working at best Buy And this

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<v Speaker 3>is the same time that The College Dropout has come

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<v Speaker 3>out around that same time Conye's first album, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>talking about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school

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<v Speaker 3>graduates who now have to realize that they're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to conquer the world, that what they're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>is enter into the American workforce and they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a part of something, and everything that they did

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just not as meaningful as they thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating.

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<v Speaker 3>And the song is the whole album is about breaking

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<v Speaker 3>free of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I

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<v Speaker 3>dropped out, but I dropped out. I took a path

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<v Speaker 3>that is, let's admire, but in a way drowned upon

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<v Speaker 3>in order to be more alive, Like I'm not killing myself,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm to the point to where I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>having an existential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not it's not working. And so many things happen

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<v Speaker 3>within this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom

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<v Speaker 3>leaves the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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<v Speaker 3>like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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<v Speaker 3>gets less.

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<v Speaker 1>What you were you were talking about after college though?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you living at home with your parents?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you were. During college.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to Southern University and Van Ruge had gone

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<v Speaker 3>away to school, and then I came back and I

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<v Speaker 3>went to Southern University because I wanted to be around

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<v Speaker 3>all of my friends. So I was still living at home.

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<v Speaker 3>The school was about ten minutes away from where we lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how old were you when your parents.

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<v Speaker 3>Were like twenty two or twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you actually got to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to see it, right, I got to see

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<v Speaker 3>it there's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also got to see, just.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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<v Speaker 3>your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, Mommy and daddy

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<v Speaker 3>are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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<v Speaker 3>divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind,

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<v Speaker 3>or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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<v Speaker 3>people to know who they kind of really were at

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<v Speaker 3>that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>that these were two people that were on diverging spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>growth the journey, should I say, and that they were

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<v Speaker 3>no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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<v Speaker 3>you're a kid, it's like, oh, you guys gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>split up? Okay, who am I going to live with?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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<v Speaker 3>is do these people still get to live the version

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<v Speaker 3>of their life that they want to live now that

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<v Speaker 3>they're no longer together? And so when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my mom, I was actually happy for them

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<v Speaker 3>that they had made the decision. I was happy for

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<v Speaker 3>them that my mother I thought, Okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>new life for her. She had felt beaten down by

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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<v Speaker 3>doing some of the things that he was doing, he

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<v Speaker 3>must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 3>new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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<v Speaker 3>that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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<v Speaker 3>way could be a positive for those two people as

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<v Speaker 3>much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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<v Speaker 3>until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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<v Speaker 3>house and it was two niggas living in the house

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<v Speaker 3>that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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<v Speaker 3>just became It's like, it's just like, I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you young, the youngest to or something? Who are

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<v Speaker 1>you the youngest in your family? Because you said it

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<v Speaker 1>was just the.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, Yeah I was. I was the youngest in the family.

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<v Speaker 3>I was the only one still around. My sister had gone.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my dad had other kids, but they were gone.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, so it's just me and him living.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean he had other kids, nigga, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean A lot. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So so it was, it was that's another reason why

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<v Speaker 3>you're happy for her to go and have a chance

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<v Speaker 3>at a life that is for her. Yeah right, And

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, me and him are there and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like she she's your mom, but she's also like a

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<v Speaker 3>genius in creating. She's a genius in keeping things running.

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<v Speaker 3>She you get taught this lesson of misogyny, and the

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<v Speaker 3>lesson is that somebody leaves the house and they gonna

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<v Speaker 3>make a whole bunch of money. And my mother worked

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<v Speaker 3>too and made a lot of money. But somebody leaves

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<v Speaker 3>the house and gonna makes a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they come back into a castle and everything that

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<v Speaker 3>they touch inside the house turns to go. But you

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<v Speaker 3>don't realize that there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>There's someone who's who's attention to detail, somebody whose ability

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<v Speaker 3>to multitask, somebody who who looks out for things. Somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who when something's broke, they go, Okay, you gotta fix that.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody who when something doesn't work, they okay, we gotta

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<v Speaker 3>get it. Working, and the moment that she left, it

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<v Speaker 3>was the house crumbled. It fell apart, like the turn

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<v Speaker 3>on the stove. Pop pop, then let's just pop. And

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<v Speaker 3>I look at him and he looks at me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, right, she gets that fixed. That motherfucker popped

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<v Speaker 3>till we got out of the house with him. Never

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<v Speaker 3>fixed it, right, The washing machine broke, never got fixed,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. It's just just like little

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. Like my mother used to come out.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a big, beautiful home on about sixty acres

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<v Speaker 3>that we had had. She would come out and she

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<v Speaker 3>would spray paint, like like power washed the outside of

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<v Speaker 3>the house to where everything, like just me and him

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<v Speaker 3>were just too focused on the individual things that we

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<v Speaker 3>were doing to care about all of that. The place

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<v Speaker 3>was just less beautiful because the woman of the house

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<v Speaker 3>had gone wow. And so during that whole time, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>also broke. I'm also broke. I'm I'm I'm working at

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<v Speaker 3>best Buy. I'm like I'm treading water. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what I want to do. And then Hurricane Katrina comes.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when Hurricane Katrina comes, this is like a

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<v Speaker 3>weird two year period of my life, like everything changes

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<v Speaker 3>like society crumbles. Everybody's strapped for cash because you've taken

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<v Speaker 3>on so much more. You got relatives living with you

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<v Speaker 3>that come down from down in the city. Everything's different,

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<v Speaker 3>and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar. You're eating different,

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<v Speaker 3>you're feeling different, and it just doesn't feel like there's

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<v Speaker 3>any abundance. It didn't feel like that in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's when that was the most. That was

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<v Speaker 3>the point, honestly, from two thousand and three to two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and five, that was the point where I figured

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<v Speaker 3>out myself. I moved to LA in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time I got to LA, I could fucking

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<v Speaker 3>handle anything. I could handle anything. I had buried homeboys,

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<v Speaker 3>I had put relation in the ground. There was nothing

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<v Speaker 3>the world had showed me like some really ill shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when I got out there and was dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with LA, it was a piece of cake.

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<v Speaker 1>So you also navigated, So what this are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's

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<v Speaker 1>at the staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have to add any tomato, soup or anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you just didn't? The legendary fuck all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Butter bread cheese. Shout out to my uncle David, resting piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to my uncle Mark, rest in peace. These

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<v Speaker 3>guys taught me the beauty the grilled cheese. You know

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<v Speaker 3>where they learned it at? Where? So you think? Nah,

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<v Speaker 3>where you think they learned the grilled cheese at these

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<v Speaker 3>two uncles? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone scream? Somebody say it jail, jail.

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<v Speaker 3>I could tell what y'all you've been. I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of life you have been living. They they

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<v Speaker 3>they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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<v Speaker 3>cheese mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>They came back in.

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<v Speaker 1>Here and they was like, I don't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>jail because they because because what.

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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah, because because we know right there was grilled

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<v Speaker 3>cheese mechanics.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't made it in a long time, because the

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<v Speaker 3>nigga is not broke no more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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<v Speaker 1>will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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<v Speaker 1>on this show that I go home and I'll make it.

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<v Speaker 3>Broken, not Bronna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're good.

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<v Speaker 3>Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter

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<v Speaker 3>washes washess washes? Oh daddy, you hear that? Look at

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<v Speaker 3>the butter go. Oh my god, butter is like delectable.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh yeah, I used butter on my cooking.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, what's that? What's that? What's blood pressure? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what you get a church, Well, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 1>You could do a good grilled cheese. I'm watching the

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<v Speaker 1>way you're making.

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<v Speaker 3>This, girl, It's not gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna butcher this grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's not gonna be good. I can already tell

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<v Speaker 3>you it's not gonna be good. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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<v Speaker 1>this grilled cheese? This is how you did it, broke? Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you put three pieces of cheese on your broke grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this, but like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a big ass nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah nah, bro you're being judged, and right now this

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<v Speaker 1>grilled cheese is looking like it's not cool. We're gonna see.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see well, I mean, we'll see what happens. Cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Your question is this show to judge people? Is to

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<v Speaker 3>get inspired?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? The first the first season and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very nice with people's feelings, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>had someone make tuna castro. They motherfucker, it was terrible. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we tape in LA. Usually like eighty five did this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing for us. Shout outs to eighty five. They

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<v Speaker 1>did the whole cooktop and whole build this whole kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in love with it. Now I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>come to Atlanta more like Atlanta. But yeah, I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen much out here yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you travel to? Where do you go?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Where do I go?

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you be at?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be I'll be at LA, New.

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<v Speaker 3>York, La? New York is okay New York, Okay, La

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<v Speaker 3>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from there. You know. Let's focus on y'all story

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Okay, So you graduate, you moved to LA, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you graduate with what degree?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a political science and English.

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<v Speaker 1>Degree, okay. And your goal in life before you left

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<v Speaker 1>college was to be an attorney okay, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>got to La.

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<v Speaker 3>To be uh in the movie game?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? What happened in between those times to make you

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<v Speaker 1>change your career?

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<v Speaker 3>I spoke to a lot of attorneys.

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<v Speaker 1>You found out they don't like their jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>What I found out. So, my brother Jabriel is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most brilliant people I've ever known. Super brilliant,

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<v Speaker 3>like ridiculously smart, right smart in a way that's almost inaccessible.

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<v Speaker 3>And he went to Morehouse here in Atlanta, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he went to Stanford, one of the greatest law schools

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. And he didn't have a specific love

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<v Speaker 3>for the law, if you ask me, but he is

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<v Speaker 3>just an incredibly successful person. And it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 3>to me like that was going to be a fulfilling life.

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<v Speaker 3>What I like to do is commiserate, talk, create. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>I like to go back and forth on all of

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, But more than anything, I want to create

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<v Speaker 3>things that made people think and discuss. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that that was going to be something that was

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<v Speaker 3>possible as an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now, a little backstory. So did all your siblings

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<v Speaker 1>graduate college no, okay, or any any of them similar

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<v Speaker 1>to yours, shows similar to your path.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister's a poet, Okay, She's one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>poets in the world, really, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>So she made money on it.

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<v Speaker 3>She made no money on it, but she is ridiculously talented.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm inspired by her every single day because she

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<v Speaker 3>creates no matter what the circumstance is, Okay, And that,

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<v Speaker 3>to me is more impressive than somebody who gets flown

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<v Speaker 3>all over the world to create. She creates because she

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<v Speaker 3>must create, and not because it's incredibly lucrative for her

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<v Speaker 3>to create. So it's in her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in her, and that makes.

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<v Speaker 3>Me feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get to LA. What's the next step.

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<v Speaker 3>I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do there?

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<v Speaker 3>I produce a show called Cybernet. It's a video game show.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I first get out to LA, I am

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<v Speaker 3>playing video games for a living and then reporting on

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<v Speaker 3>those video games on this show Cybernet, and writing for

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<v Speaker 3>the show, okay, and then then something happens.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens.

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<v Speaker 3>That company goes belly up financial crisis. So when that

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<v Speaker 3>company goes belly up. Guess what I get to do

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<v Speaker 3>live on unemployment?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, I love unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, and I become one of the world's foremost pick

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<v Speaker 3>up basketball players. Every gym in La you see me,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hour fitness, you see me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't try to hustle on top of the unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely did. But the most thing that I did

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<v Speaker 3>was just play ball and vibe and right. I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>so much. I wrote so much, so much stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But how long were you on unemployment? A year?

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<v Speaker 3>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>You can be on unemployment two years.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to remember that at this time it was

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<v Speaker 3>the financial crisis, so they were extending benefits to meet

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<v Speaker 3>people's years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's two eighty and then it's like going into twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ten basics, and let me tell you what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a true story. So I'm on unemployment, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing my thing. I'm walking into the gym LA Fitness, Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody there knows me. Okay, I'm walking into the gym.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm walking into the gym. And as I'm walking into

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<v Speaker 3>the gym, a lady outside the gym says, hey, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to take place in the cirt. You want to

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<v Speaker 3>take part in the survey. Like, yeah, sure, no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, you take part in the survey, and we

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<v Speaker 3>like what you say, will give you five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, hell yeah, okay, So I do

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. I do my whole little stick. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on a little small camera that she has, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 3>we like you, we want you to come out to

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<v Speaker 3>this place, do even more stuff, right and take place

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<v Speaker 3>in this gigantic, bigger survey. Well, it's not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have you try out these products. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you try these products, we're just gonna ask you what

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<v Speaker 3>you think about them. I'm like, cool, no problem, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I decide to go to this thing. We cheese

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<v Speaker 3>it up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually looks really good. Impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I go to this thing into Van Eys,

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<v Speaker 3>you know where van So I go in there and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm into the little deal or whatever, and a guy goes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what you're gonna do. I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>go in here, take a shower and use this shampoo

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<v Speaker 3>because they're doing product testing. Take a shower, use this shampoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Right when you get out of there, brush your tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Use this toothbrush and this toothpaste. Cool. It's like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>do this, don't do that stuff. We took those products

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<v Speaker 3>off the list. And then when you come in here,

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<v Speaker 3>we want you to shave with this razor. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not shaving my beerd He goes, YEA, well you

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<v Speaker 3>can just shave at the top and on the and

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<v Speaker 3>right here. Just tell us what you think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, cool, no problem. So after that, cool, I

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<v Speaker 3>do all this stuff. I get into this little room

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<v Speaker 3>and inside this room is two other guys in the

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<v Speaker 3>room and they got toiles on and I'm looking around.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yo, what's going on here? What is this?

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<v Speaker 3>I try to weigh myself on the scale. Scale doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking in the room. The room looks like a gym,

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<v Speaker 3>except I know that we're not in a gym, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? So I start using the the the razor,

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<v Speaker 3>doing like this. And when I start using the razor,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody jumps out with a camera and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>are you ready for the Gilet Fusion pro Glide Challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a commercial. Oh my gosh, And I'm like, oh shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm using the thing. I'm doing the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going back and forth to God, I'm having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>After the thing is over, I walk in there and

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's clapping, like, hey, why how are you doing? You

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<v Speaker 3>got did a great job. You're in a commercial boom boom,

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<v Speaker 3>So don't make five hundred dollars. I make three thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the freaking out so high because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A uh, we're done, baby special.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good looking grilled cheese. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>The cheese is bubbling, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It's bubbling over and it's a little buttered in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned a trick and making grilled cheese. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it to stack a lot of cheese in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, cheese is actually a pretty staple ingredient to

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<v Speaker 3>the grilled cheese, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, but I usually just put like one or two

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<v Speaker 1>Yours is like, first of all, you did it really impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you, I tell you, I tell you why though,

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<v Speaker 3>that's why you're healthy. Though you said you were healthy before.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the like the even colored color. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's you did a really impressive grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, just slow and slow. Okay. So look, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm there and they're like, okay, so it's Saturday, so

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<v Speaker 3>the five hundred bucks that you were promised you get

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<v Speaker 3>that it's Saturday, so you get double the session fee

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<v Speaker 3>on that, plus like whatever you get like a holding

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<v Speaker 3>fee and all of that stuff. So I ended up

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<v Speaker 3>making like three thousand dollars for this commercial. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what kind of American I am. I come

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<v Speaker 3>home and I'm doing my unemployment and it asked if

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<v Speaker 3>you made any money? Yep, Why I put the money

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<v Speaker 3>on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I've seen niggas get the death penalty

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<v Speaker 3>for less, so so I put so, I put the

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<v Speaker 3>money on there. I put the money on there, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is what happens. They then readjust my unemployment quarterly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like me, yeah, I told you not to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So quarterly. So it goes from being I go from

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<v Speaker 3>getting five hundred dollars a week in unemployment to seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five dollars a week in unemployment. So I go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the deal. It's not. Obviously they don't think

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<v Speaker 3>a nigga could live off this. So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go up to the unemployment office. I'm gonna talk to

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<v Speaker 3>these people. That's why I'm gon deal. I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>up to the uneployment for some gonna talk to these people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm straightening this whole thing out. So I go up

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<v Speaker 3>there to the unemployment office in Pasadena. I'll never forget.

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<v Speaker 3>The lady was like, baby, ain't nothing we can do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the computer. I was like, uh, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>live on this blah blah blah in the computer. So

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<v Speaker 3>I needed a job. I had to have a job.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, the funny thing was the g

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<v Speaker 3>let that commercial ended up like making me. That commercial

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<v Speaker 3>ran Oh shit, I didn't know anything. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about being a commercial actor. So I would get

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<v Speaker 3>a holding check every now and again. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>started making money off the commercial. But that's later I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't notice. I came home, and when I came home,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I have to find a job. I

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<v Speaker 3>pulled up entertainment careers dot net. The first job was

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<v Speaker 3>TMS tour Guide.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a tour guide, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>It was being a tour guy. TMS was starting a

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<v Speaker 3>tour and the tour was like you go around to

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<v Speaker 3>different places and you show people different things that happened

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<v Speaker 3>like on TMZ, like we would show you where Josh

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<v Speaker 3>Hartnett got diarrhea, we would show you where Michael Richards

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<v Speaker 3>fucked up at the laugh Factory. It's actually a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good tour. I actually I was one of the first

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<v Speaker 3>GUIDs on the tour. I was the first guy on

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<v Speaker 3>the tour. So actually a little bit of pride in

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that we were able to jump that off

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<v Speaker 3>and make it a thing, because it's still going right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get in there and I do that. I apply.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The revolutionize the whole game. So I apply. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing the tours like American Idol. They have all of

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<v Speaker 3>these tour guys in there and then every week they

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<v Speaker 3>cut a guy. So I'm in there and like they

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<v Speaker 3>have me coming in there and whatever. I get the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing. I start with the TMZ tour. This goes

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<v Speaker 3>through to about everything I'm talking about. I start with

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<v Speaker 3>the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it might be twenty eleven, whatever it is. I start

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<v Speaker 3>with the TMZ tour. Then by July I started in March.

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<v Speaker 3>By July I'm on TV every day. Within a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of months, Harvey came into the tour. I was up

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<v Speaker 3>there doing my thing, and I told a joke and

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<v Speaker 3>he liked the joke so much that he brought me

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<v Speaker 3>in and put me into the.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, okay. So then you get this newsroom opportunity, your

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<v Speaker 1>pay goes up. Benefits. What are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the way it was working. I was

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<v Speaker 3>making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 3>straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.640
<v Speaker 3>killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them. Iuse

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 3>would come in and you would have like people from

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 3>there was tourists like they were from our earlier they

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 3>were from Canada. There was a thing that we do

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 3>on the tour to where if you see a celebrity

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 3>on the tour, you stop the bus, you get off,

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 3>you shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 3>La at certain times, if you know where to go,

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 3>it's impossible not to see famous people. Like if you

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 3>were coming to La and you and you were hanging

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 3>out with me, and I was like, hey, you want

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 3>to sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 3>three or four places I could tell you where it's

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:29.479
<v Speaker 3>going to happen, and so we would see them, and

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm a good spotterer. I would spot celebrities and we

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:33.439
<v Speaker 3>would see them, and the people would go cit we

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 3>all kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio,

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.719
<v Speaker 3>David Beckham and just the other niggas that be around,

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 3>just niggas that be aroundous. You would just say, you

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 3>know the people I'm talking about in La, They just

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 3>they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 3>weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 3>thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 3>be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 3>the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 3>bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:00.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this mother a guy

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 3>two number ones, I ain't never heard of him before.

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know he signed to Luducris and them. He's

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 3>that's like, actually, I don't want to say the guy's name,

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 3>but like that's actually that guy is a huge singer,

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 3>like you guys should probably care about him. Wait, don't know,

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 3>fuck them, keep going No, but I mean so anyway,

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 3>so you know, I'm making good money because I'm making

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 3>my tips off the tour. I'm doing three different jobs

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 3>for TMC. I'm also on the camera with my on

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 3>the street with my camera. I'm on the street with

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 3>my camera. I'm doing the tour.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all this.

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 3>On the tour and the newsroom. They gave me as

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 3>mean jobs as they could.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And did you join as they were like a startup

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>or were they like startup level?

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.719
<v Speaker 3>So they were. This was two thousand and so they

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 3>started in like two thousand and five. I got there

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 3>five years later.

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>That's considered still startup.

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Probably, so they were. They were the newsroom cast was established,

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 3>so I had to break in. I give I always

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 3>give Harvey credit for this. He uh the same joke,

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>because it's very hard to break into that room because

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 3>when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 3>the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 3>you got to say something, you gotta do something to

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 3>stand out. So you get you start to maximize the

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 3>moments that you have, and if you're on that means

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 3>somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 3>they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 3>But Harvey knew that I had that joke that I

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 3>could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 3>It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 3>but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>on the tour, and so it would stop on the

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Hustler tour, and this was a different time to tell

0:26:53.280 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 3>this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 3>would have the bus stop right by the Hustle store,

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 3>and you know, Larry Flynn is right, Larry Flint started Hustler,

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 3>and I'd be like, this guy's hustle store. Larry Flint

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 3>started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 3>but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 3>are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 3>guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 3>a wheelchair. He was shot. One of the reasons why

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 3>were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 3>a hustler. It's very true, and the bus will go, oh,

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that, and I would go like, yeah,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>So Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 3>because he took a bullet so that I could fuck

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 3>white women. That's that's good, right, And so I remember Harvey,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, and so I go and so they

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>don't want to laugh, they don't.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Want to laugh funny.

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 3>But I'm in the room and I say that everybody,

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 3>and it's so far out of left field, and they've

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 3>never heard the sound of my voice before. I remember

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>shout out to Nina Parker, who worked at TMZ with me,

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>who's still a dear friend of mine to this day.

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at me like, I know,

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 3>they didn't just bring one of these niggas into the

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 3>newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is. But that joke

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 3>put me over in the newsroom, and so and he

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 3>knew that it would. And so after that boom, they

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 3>all left. Another thing I tell the kids, I don't

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>want to be hyper verbose about the whole TMZ situation,

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 3>but another thing I tell the kids is your ability

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>to succeed at a place is not just about your talent.

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 3>It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 3>So the very first year I was there, I realized

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 3>that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 3>for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 3>but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving to the New Year, because everybody's rotating in and

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>off vacation, but they're still doing the show. They still

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>have to do a show. They don't go dark for

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 3>two weeks like everybody else is a daily show. I

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 3>did not go home. I stuck around, And when I

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>stuck around, I got all of the time to talk

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 3>and be on camera that I wanted to. So in

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 3>that month, I endeared myself to the audience. Right after that,

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 3>he comes in, he goes, we're gonna give you a raise.

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do all of this next time, contract with

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 3>up and just my stature at TMZ just went up

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 3>to the point to where I think maybe a year

0:29:46.600 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 3>two years after that, I was a producer.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>So let's take let's let's fast forward to the iconic

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>moments Kanye West.

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 3>You like him?

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I love Kanye. I love old Kanye.

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>is jay Z and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z is the ultimate goat.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But Kanye,

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>let me try this girl, cheese, go for it.

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Bless you as straight from Angola State Penitentiary right there.

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>happened in the Kardashian eir, like what kind of drugs

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.040
<v Speaker 1>they put him on or what went wrong because he

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was always pro from the bush statement like he was

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>going on like from beginning to end?

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>So Harvey had gone to that that butter gonna burn.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>So Harvey had gone to you know, the week before then,

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Kanye had an album going out, and this is after the

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Trump stuff, and he had, you know, gone off at

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 3>his at his show and all of that stuff. Harvey

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>had gone out to Calabasas. He was so giddy calling

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 3>me up to his office and he goes, look what

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 3>it is. It's me hanging out with Kanye West. So

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.959
<v Speaker 3>I'm like whatever, you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm like

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 3>at this point, I don't give a fuck about that.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I hate that type of shit. Okay, though, I'll tell

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>you what I hate. Don't talk to me about who

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>you was hanging out with ever. Okay, Like, if you

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 3>go to a party, when you come back and talk

0:31:57.840 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 3>to me about the party, talk to me about how

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 3>the vibes were, where the drinks good, was the music good?

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>So if jay Z was in the room, you want

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to hear about the drinks.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't give off. I don't give off fuck. If

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>jay Z came to your party, I couldn't give a fuck.

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>What do that? So it's a good party because that's

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 3>the only thing you be here for a whole So

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a good party because he was there. Shout out

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>to him like it's a good party. Because he was there.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't give welcome thank you. I don't care at all, Like,

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>hey man, the drinks was good man, DJ was crazy.

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>He played that old school juve and now all of

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 3>that ship. Now I'm gonna come to the party. If

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 3>you start, don't my party. If Jay show up to

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 3>your party, it's a I guess it's a big deal

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 3>for your party. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't make me want to attend your party because

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 3>there are famous.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.239
<v Speaker 1>People there, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay. So

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Harvey comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it with.

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 3>This. This is all I heard is Kanye Kanye. And

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>so he shows me the thing and him and Kanye

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>have some kind of report that they're working on or whatever.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know it's going on. And so a week

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:11.959
<v Speaker 3>after that he like, I'm in the newsroom. And by

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the way, at this point, I've been very outspoken on

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Kanye because this is Kanye posting with Donald Trump, this

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.239
<v Speaker 3>is posts all of that stuff. So it comes up

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 3>to me after the morning meeting. He goes, hey, I

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 3>was like what there he goes, we didn't want to

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 3>tell you but about ten minutes Kanye was about to

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 3>show up here. I was like inside of TMZ and

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>he was like yeah. He was like all right, just

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 3>let you know all the mics are going to be down.

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Because the way it works is for TMZ Live, which

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:44.959
<v Speaker 3>is the live show. Showa comes in the middle of day.

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 3>You have a red button at your desk and a

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 3>thing at your desk. Anytime you have that red button,

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 3>you can talk. So after Harvey and Charles do their thing,

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 3>you hit that red button. You can talk. So when

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I want to jump in and say something funny, I

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 3>jump in and say something fun When I want to

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.479
<v Speaker 3>jump in when it's time for them to come to me,

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>like Van van Van Talk, you can talk. But they

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 3>had all the mics down because they just wanted this

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 3>to be Harvey, Charles and Kanye West. Okay, cool. So

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I go sit at mine shout out to Charlemagne because uh.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I go sit down at my desk and I start

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 3>watching the interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye that dropped

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 3>that very same day when he was walking around Calabasa.

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 3>So I started watching that. I'm at the desk. Kanye

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 3>West comes in, very polite guy, says hello to everyone

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 3>and everything like that. They go over to the teams

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>he live to start doing teams he live. As soon

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 3>as the cameras come on, he turns into a fucking demon,

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 3>right like when I say you when I'm like it

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>just I come alive in the nighttime type shit. You

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's talking now. I mean

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.439
<v Speaker 1>He was being demon like the stuff he was saying.

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the demon. I'm not demonizing Kanye West.

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was like the streaming consciousness, the whole thing.

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh shit, but I'm still not paying any attention.

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not paying any attention. I'm looking at the interview.

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a part of this conversation.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>So you're looking at the interview but watching kind of looking.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Up or Kanya not really. But remember I've been told

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 3>on them. Uh, Kanye says a slavery four hundred. Oh.

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>By the way, Kennice Owens is with him. She came

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 3>to the office with him.

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>interview and still looking at the sharp interview.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas,

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>like you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 3>they're having all of these deep as sauces. I'm looking

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:41.919
<v Speaker 3>at but I can. I can hear him though, because

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 3>he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 3>to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 3>of us, right, so I can, I can hear him.

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 3>It was like, God, damn this nigga, Damn that nigga

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 3>on one and so like, I'm still looking at it,

0:35:55.440 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 3>and he says, slavery four hundred years, four hundred years.

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 3>That seems like a choice to me, And everybody's like, oh,

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 3>look when he said that, couldn't see her. I don't

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 3>know she. I think she was in the other room,

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 3>because there's a side room. A couple of weeks before that,

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 3>and maybe like a month before that, Candace had gone

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>viral for shutting down some some students that had come

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 3>to a turning point us a meeting where she had

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 3>said you're a victim and I don't like you, and

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 3>fuck civil rights, whatever and and whatever she said to them,

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 3>and Kanye was like, this is the type of thinking

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 3>that I like. And then he put it. Kanye put

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Candisons on like she she she By the way, this

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:40.919
<v Speaker 3>is if any want to make a judgment, call about

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Candace Owns, go to whoever you go to, wherever you

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 3>want to go to or whatever. But he put her

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>on basically, so she was with him for a little while.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I think he got a lot of his his his

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 3>early political when he was first in that new sort

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 3>of right sphere of thought. I think a lot of

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 3>he got a lot of that stuff from her. I

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 3>think he probably still does it this day, from a

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 3>lot of those types of people. Anyhow, so he's talking.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 3>He says that I didn't say anything when he said that.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 3>There's a there's a misconception that he said that. And

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 3>big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 3>anything at all? His business he asked, He asked very simply.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 3>He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 3>one other thing about something that he had said. But

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 3>most of the people in the room just sidebar real quick.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 3>You guys have no idea I guess you actually probably do,

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 3>because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.240
<v Speaker 3>You can't go to a fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 3>paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 3>oh my God, doesn't matter what he would have said

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 3>up there, He's saying stuff and people are like, Jesus

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Christ is the most famous person that's ever And i'side

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 3>this officer for it, But.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised because at TMG they crossed past it a lot.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 3>No nobody like that, Like it's like, especially to be

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 3>in the office doing that. It's one thing to have

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>to see people out on the street and get a

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 3>but you know, there's a specific TMZ celebrity that we

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.359
<v Speaker 3>talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 3>So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 3>he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 3>he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 3>now let me tell you a split second, is how

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 3>my mind works. Like for me, I just have like

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you can fuck over. I don't have to be the

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 3>number one guy. But like I'll fight you until you

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 3>realize you can't fuck over me. I'll play you in

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 3>basketball to our realize I can't be the easy guy

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 3>to get over on. So if you ask me something

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 3>like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity in

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 3>me that says, I gotta answer this question, like I

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 3>can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 3>like everybody was, like you are filled up with the answers,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.919
<v Speaker 3>is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 3>how I feel like he was acting, because then it

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 3>feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 3>of get off on. So he says that, and I

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna know, y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 3>like actually you don't know you're I remember, I'm said,

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go back to the whole thing. But you look

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 3>crazy right now, like everything that you're doing, not just now,

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 3>but every other time, like you look crazy, you're not thinking,

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 3>and particularly this it's not even about that. It's about

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 3>what the regression or how can I put this? Not regression,

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 3>it's what a guy like that represents because we empower him.

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 3>So imagine like spinning your youth, like arming somebody with

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 3>this great, big cultural gun. Everything that Kanye did, we

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 3>were I was down in Louisiana wheen he said George

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 3>Bush doesn't care about black people. He was my god.

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Like all the things that he would say when he

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 3>would speak out, like you defend them, you advocate for him.

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 3>You do it. You stand by and you just the

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 3>little cultural gun that he has, a little megaphone, it

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 3>just gets bigger and bigger. The gun just gets bigger

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 3>and bigger and bigger, and then one day you're staring

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 3>down the barrel of it. Now the things that he's

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.479
<v Speaker 3>saying that you've empowered him to say are being turned

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 3>right back at you. And so like it's like, hey,

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 3>don't shoot me, Like why are you shooting at me?

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Like you know what I'm saying. It's like I'm the

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 3>same dude like you you Kanye West, I love you. Yeah,

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Like if I'm not about to diss him. Never would

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I say to you, know, you're a genius. Everything that

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 3>you've done is you deserve all the stuff that you've gotten.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 3>We love you. Well, let me tell you how you're

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 3>making us feel. That's it. That's it. I'm not trying

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 3>to go toe to toad with like a cultural deity,

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to act

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 3>like he hasn't inspired me in the ways that he's

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 3>inspired me, or act like he hasn't done the things

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:21.400
<v Speaker 3>he's done, Like we don't do that where I'm from.

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 3>We give you your props, or else we would be haters.

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 3>But I just have to let him know, like what

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 3>you're doing right now is particularly pernicious to us because

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 3>we're in a very specific place in this country. And

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 3>when you go back and you watch it, you listen, Now, look,

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 3>my thing is this, any one person like that. There's

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 3>no person that's going to be able to be a

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 3>nigger whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 3>day to day experience that people have that has to

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 3>do with their surroundings, who they are, their input and

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 3>output that's going to affect how they look at the world,

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 3>and you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But what I do think is important as black people

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:04.359
<v Speaker 3>who is for us to be cognizant of how what

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 3>we do affects other people. For example, I worked at

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 3>TMZ for nine years. I'm not in a moral position

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:18.439
<v Speaker 3>to chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 3>understand compromises that people have to make in order to

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>get to where they want to get. I understand that

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 3>what it is that they're getting into. And then on

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 3>So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 3>when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 3>And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 3>can choose either you can continue to harm me or

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 3>you can be different.

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 3>So it was really the beginning of my career. And

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>the reason why it was was because number one, I

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 3>the reputation that they have there. And this is not

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 3>shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.240
<v Speaker 3>And I think going over.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, like what kind of culture? Like

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>are you familiar with I am familiar with them. I'm

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>just saying, describe it. Ah, I'm saying from the journalists perspective,

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, like.

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a reason why

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>like a TMS exists, And honestly, the reason why TMS

0:43:51.920 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 3>exists is the need for people to feel good about themselves.

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>The reader or the watcher toe.

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 3>So the celebrity in America is uh overloved, way overloved,

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.799
<v Speaker 3>over important, over everything. It just doesn't matter that much

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.479
<v Speaker 3>that somebody is famous or rich. It just really doesn't

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 3>matter that much. Honestly, it's probably a net negative. However,

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 3>it's so it's so precious to people that there's a

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 3>need to feel that that person has done or is

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>doing something.

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Wrong, like to more humanize them.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take Kim

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Kardashian right. Everybody saw her fuck right. Everybody saw her

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 3>fuck it's just sex tape out. Everybody saw it right.

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Everybody watched the sex tape that comes out. And people

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 3>get to make the decision about whether or not they

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 3>would have that happen for them, whether or not they

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.320
<v Speaker 3>would go through that in order to be Kim Kardashian.

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 3>And it makes them feel good to say no. So

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 3>it makes them feel good to say, you know what,

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't want that life. It's too crazy. It makes

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 3>them good to feel to say. It makes them feel

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 3>good to say, I wouldn't compromise myself in that way.

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>It makes him feel good to say, I would never

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 3>do this. I would never be around these people. I

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 3>would never do that. I would never do this. It

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 3>makes him feel good to say, Hollywood's too weird, I

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't do that. Right, and TMZ feels that bloodlust that

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 3>people have, and it lets them disconnect from the idea

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 3>that these people are better than them. It lets them

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 3>disconnect because every time somebody gets a DUI and it

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 3>goes up to the thing every time somebody gets a divorce.

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Everybody in here knows people that have been divorced. Yeah,

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 3>there's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. Sometimes

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 3>it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. But

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 3>you want to believe certain people will never be happy

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 3>because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship.

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>So you want to you want to believe, like like you,

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 3>like you, you you, you want to believe that, right,

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 3>you want to believe that teams gives you that. In

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 3>order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.359
<v Speaker 3>like they're not people. They have to treat them as

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 3>if their concepts celebrity is not a person.

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>That's why I guess TMZ comes off a little bit

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>invasive and ruthless.

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, no, because they're.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.959
<v Speaker 1>They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like.

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, you have to write like even even the TMZ

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, animals animals, right and.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 3>So and so like when when you like the tours

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 3>celebrities far as animals, right? And so you do that,

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 3>right and what you what you say is okay, Well,

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 3>in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 3>at its base, right, So this is what you sign

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 3>up for kind of right, because like there are certain

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 3>things that you don't sign up I'll never talk I'll

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 3>never I'll never forget this. There was the sister of

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 3>a celebrity that had that had had something taught done

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 3>to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk about

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 3>who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo, we

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't do that. And they did the story and this

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 3>dude went on fucking and let us fucking happ and

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Yo, we had to take it down

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 3>and apologize and do all that stuff. I like, yo, like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a limit to this. And that's not me making

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<v Speaker 3>a moral judgment on team Team. I'm just telling you

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<v Speaker 3>the way things go. So like when you know all

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<v Speaker 3>of that, when you have an idea of what drives that,

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<v Speaker 3>like obviously they're moral. Uh, there're things that you have

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<v Speaker 3>to not care about to work there. But most of

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<v Speaker 3>the people there are good people. They're just desensitized to

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<v Speaker 3>whatever was going on there because that's where they work,

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<v Speaker 3>like like that, like that's what they do. I'm there,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the same thing. Things are coming in. At a

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<v Speaker 3>certain point, you go, goddamn, you know and it's there

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<v Speaker 3>will be little small things. This is a football player

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<v Speaker 3>that had this video come out of some altercation. It

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<v Speaker 3>was in and it said savage beating by this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just looking at the hellline. I'm like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we should go savage beating there. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I think savage is like a it's like an interesting

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<v Speaker 3>way where there's just little small things. The mayor of

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<v Speaker 3>DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies like

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<v Speaker 3>he died and like, by the way, the people in

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<v Speaker 3>DC are going to freak the funk out because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry was

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<v Speaker 3>with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I deal with a group of people, a community, people

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<v Speaker 3>that are always categorized by the worst moment that they have.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a man that

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<v Speaker 3>means so much to his city by the worst moe

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<v Speaker 3>scandalous thing you ever had. You can't talk about his

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<v Speaker 3>life without talking about that, but maybe in the headline

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 3>you don't do that. So so it so all of

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 3>those things start to start to happen, And so for me,

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<v Speaker 3>what the place represents. It's not even so much a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of uh, not even so much a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>moral people that are running around trying to get the

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<v Speaker 3>dirt on celebrities. It represents our relationship to celebrity and

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<v Speaker 3>our relationship to ourselves, because there's no fucking reason whatsoever

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<v Speaker 3>why we should spend so much time talking about what

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<v Speaker 3>happens in the lives of famous people.

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