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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: We are not in La today. We are over here

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Speaker 1: at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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Speaker 1: the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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Speaker 1: may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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Speaker 1: You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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Speaker 1: man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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Speaker 1: office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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Speaker 1: Commissioner of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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Speaker 1: into where you're at today, I want you to take

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Speaker 1: me back to where you were when you were broke.

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Speaker 1: What dish you're gonna have cook for us to eat today?

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Speaker 2: So you can start with that, eat my throat.

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Speaker 3: So I get out of college around I would say

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Speaker 3: two thousand and three, two thousand and three, I get

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Speaker 3: out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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Speaker 3: my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's story seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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Speaker 3: when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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Speaker 3: moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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Speaker 3: that they realize something, But when you're in the middle

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Speaker 3: of it, you don't know. You'll know when it's going

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Speaker 3: to happen for you, you'll know how it's going to

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Speaker 3: happen for you. Certain people have more certainty than other

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Speaker 3: people do. But all you can do is work and try.

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Speaker 3: And I get to this point, and it's this weird,

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Speaker 3: odd point to where I'm like, nothing that I thought

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Speaker 3: was going to happen and or no way that I

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Speaker 3: wanted to go is the way that I wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so I'm working at best Buy And this

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Speaker 3: is the same time that The College Dropout has come

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Speaker 3: out around that same time Conye's first album, and he's

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Speaker 3: talking about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school

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Speaker 3: graduates who now have to realize that they're not going

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Speaker 3: to conquer the world, that what they're going to do

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Speaker 3: is enter into the American workforce and they're going to

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Speaker 3: be a part of something, and everything that they did

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Speaker 3: it's not just not as meaningful as they thought it

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Speaker 3: was going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating.

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Speaker 3: And the song is the whole album is about breaking

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Speaker 3: free of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I

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Speaker 3: dropped out, but I dropped out. I took a path

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Speaker 3: that is, let's admire, but in a way drowned upon

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Speaker 3: in order to be more alive, Like I'm not killing myself,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm to the point to where I'm like

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Speaker 3: having an existential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not working. And so many things happen

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Speaker 3: within this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom

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Speaker 3: leaves the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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Speaker 3: like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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Speaker 3: gets less.

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Speaker 1: What you were you were talking about after college though?

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Speaker 1: Were you living at home with your parents?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Oh you were. During college.

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Speaker 3: I went to Southern University and Van Ruge had gone

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Speaker 3: away to school, and then I came back and I

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Speaker 3: went to Southern University because I wanted to be around

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Speaker 3: all of my friends. So I was still living at home.

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Speaker 3: The school was about ten minutes away from where we lived.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how old were you when your parents.

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Speaker 3: Were like twenty two or twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And so you actually got to see it.

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Speaker 3: I got to see it, right, I got to see

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Speaker 3: it there's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 3: And I also got to see, just.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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Speaker 3: your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, Mommy and daddy

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Speaker 3: are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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Speaker 3: divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind,

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Speaker 3: or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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Speaker 3: that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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Speaker 3: I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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Speaker 3: that these were two people that were on diverging spiritual

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Speaker 3: growth the journey, should I say, and that they were

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Speaker 3: no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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Speaker 3: split up? Okay, who am I going to live with?

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Speaker 3: It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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Speaker 3: is do these people still get to live the version

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Speaker 3: them that my mother I thought, Okay, this is a

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Speaker 3: a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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Speaker 3: a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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Speaker 3: must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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Speaker 3: new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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Speaker 3: that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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Speaker 3: much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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Speaker 3: until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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Speaker 3: that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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Speaker 3: just became It's like, it's just like, I remember.

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Speaker 1: Were you young, the youngest to or something? Who are

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Speaker 1: you the youngest in your family? Because you said it

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Speaker 1: was just the.

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Speaker 3: Two, Yeah I was. I was the youngest in the family.

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Speaker 3: I was the only one still around. My sister had gone.

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Speaker 3: You know, my dad had other kids, but they were gone.

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Speaker 3: But like, so it's just me and him living.

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Speaker 1: Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do.

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Speaker 3: You mean he had other kids, nigga, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean A lot. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So so it was, it was that's another reason why

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Speaker 3: you're happy for her to go and have a chance

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Speaker 3: at a life that is for her. Yeah right, And

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Speaker 3: so you know, me and him are there and it's

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Speaker 3: like she she's your mom, but she's also like a

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Speaker 3: genius in creating. She's a genius in keeping things running.

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Speaker 3: She you get taught this lesson of misogyny, and the

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Speaker 3: make a whole bunch of money. And my mother worked

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Speaker 3: too and made a lot of money. But somebody leaves

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Speaker 3: the house and gonna makes a lot of money, and

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Speaker 3: then they come back into a castle and everything that

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Speaker 3: they touch inside the house turns to go. But you

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Speaker 3: don't realize that there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful.

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Speaker 3: There's someone who's who's attention to detail, somebody whose ability

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Speaker 3: to multitask, somebody who who looks out for things. Somebody

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Speaker 3: who when something's broke, they go, Okay, you gotta fix that.

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Speaker 3: Somebody who when something doesn't work, they okay, we gotta

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Speaker 3: was the house crumbled. It fell apart, like the turn

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Speaker 3: I look at him and he looks at me, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, right, she gets that fixed. That motherfucker popped

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Speaker 3: till we got out of the house with him. Never

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Speaker 3: fixed it, right, The washing machine broke, never got fixed,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just just like little

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. Like my mother used to come out.

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Speaker 3: This was a big, beautiful home on about sixty acres

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Speaker 3: were just too focused on the individual things that we

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Speaker 3: was just less beautiful because the woman of the house

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Speaker 3: had gone wow. And so during that whole time, I'm

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Speaker 3: also broke. I'm also broke. I'm I'm I'm working at

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Speaker 3: best Buy. I'm like I'm treading water. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what I want to do. And then Hurricane Katrina comes.

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Speaker 3: And so when Hurricane Katrina comes, this is like a

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Speaker 3: weird two year period of my life, like everything changes

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Speaker 3: like society crumbles. Everybody's strapped for cash because you've taken

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Speaker 3: and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar. You're eating different,

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Speaker 3: And so that's when that was the most. That was

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Speaker 3: the point, honestly, from two thousand and three to two

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Speaker 3: out myself. I moved to LA in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 3: By the time I got to LA, I could fucking

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Speaker 3: handle anything. I could handle anything. I had buried homeboys,

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Speaker 3: I had put relation in the ground. There was nothing

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Speaker 3: the world had showed me like some really ill shit.

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Speaker 3: And so when I got out there and was dealing

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Speaker 1: So you also navigated, So what this are you going

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Speaker 1: to have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's

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Speaker 1: at the staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal.

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Speaker 1: Did you have to add any tomato, soup or anything?

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Speaker 1: Or you just didn't? The legendary fuck all that.

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Speaker 3: Butter bread cheese. Shout out to my uncle David, resting piece.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to my uncle Mark, rest in peace. These

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Speaker 3: guys taught me the beauty the grilled cheese. You know

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Speaker 3: where they learned it at? Where? So you think? Nah,

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Speaker 3: where you think they learned the grilled cheese at these

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Speaker 3: two uncles? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Someone scream? Somebody say it jail, jail.

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Speaker 3: I could tell what y'all you've been. I can tell

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Speaker 3: what kind of life you have been living. They they

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Speaker 3: they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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Speaker 3: cheese mechanics.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: They came back in.

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Speaker 1: Here and they was like, I don't know it was

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Speaker 1: jail because they because because what.

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Speaker 3: Because yeah, because because we know right there was grilled

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Speaker 3: cheese mechanics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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Speaker 3: I haven't made it in a long time, because the

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Speaker 3: nigga is not broke no more.

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Speaker 1: You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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Speaker 1: will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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Speaker 1: right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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Speaker 1: on this show that I go home and I'll make it.

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Speaker 3: Broken, not Bronna make it.

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Speaker 1: They're good.

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Speaker 3: Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter

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Speaker 3: washes washess washes? Oh daddy, you hear that? Look at

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Speaker 3: the butter go. Oh my god, butter is like delectable.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, I used butter on my cooking.

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Speaker 3: Really, what's that? What's that? What's blood pressure? Like?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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Speaker 3: Like what you get a church, Well, I don't know if.

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Speaker 1: You could do a good grilled cheese. I'm watching the

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Speaker 1: way you're making.

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Speaker 3: This, girl, It's not gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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Speaker 1: gonna butcher this grilled cheese.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not gonna be good. I can already tell

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Speaker 3: you it's not gonna be good. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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Speaker 1: the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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Speaker 1: this grilled cheese? This is how you did it, broke? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: you put three pieces of cheese on your broke grilled cheese.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, a little backstory. So did all your siblings

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Speaker 3: I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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Speaker 3: That company goes belly up financial crisis. So when that

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Speaker 3: Yep, and I become one of the world's foremost pick

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Speaker 1: Oh you didn't try to hustle on top of the unemployment.

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Speaker 3: This is a true story. So I'm on unemployment, I'm

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Speaker 3: She's like, you take part in the survey, and we

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Speaker 1: Oh shit.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, hell yeah, okay, So I do

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have you try out these products. And when

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Speaker 3: And so I go to this thing into Van Eys,

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Speaker 3: It's a commercial. Oh my gosh, And I'm like, oh shit.

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Speaker 3: So I get in there and I do that. I apply.

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Speaker 1: That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

435
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 3: The revolutionize the whole game. So I apply. And they're

436
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 3: doing the tours like American Idol. They have all of

437
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: these tour guys in there and then every week they

438
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 3: cut a guy. So I'm in there and like they

439
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: have me coming in there and whatever. I get the

440
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: whole thing. I start with the TMZ tour. This goes

441
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: through to about everything I'm talking about. I start with

442
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten, maybe

443
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: it might be twenty eleven, whatever it is. I start

444
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: with the TMZ tour. Then by July I started in March.

445
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: By July I'm on TV every day. Within a couple

446
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 3: of months, Harvey came into the tour. I was up

447
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 3: there doing my thing, and I told a joke and

448
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: he liked the joke so much that he brought me

449
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: in and put me into the.

450
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: Into the newsroom.

451
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: Into the newsroom.

452
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: Yep, okay. So then you get this newsroom opportunity, your

453
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: pay goes up. Benefits. What are we looking at?

454
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: So this is the way it was working. I was

455
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

456
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

457
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

458
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 3: killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them. Iuse

459
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

460
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 3: would come in and you would have like people from

461
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: there was tourists like they were from our earlier they

462
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: were from Canada. There was a thing that we do

463
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: on the tour to where if you see a celebrity

464
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: on the tour, you stop the bus, you get off,

465
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: you shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in

466
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: La at certain times, if you know where to go,

467
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: it's impossible not to see famous people. Like if you

468
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: were coming to La and you and you were hanging

469
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: out with me, and I was like, hey, you want

470
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: to sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are

471
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: three or four places I could tell you where it's

472
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 3: going to happen, and so we would see them, and

473
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: I'm a good spotterer. I would spot celebrities and we

474
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: would see them, and the people would go cit we

475
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: all kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio,

476
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 3: David Beckham and just the other niggas that be around,

477
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: just niggas that be aroundous. You would just say, you

478
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: know the people I'm talking about in La, They just

479
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

480
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

481
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

482
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

483
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

484
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

485
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this mother a guy

486
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: two number ones, I ain't never heard of him before.

487
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know he signed to Luducris and them. He's

488
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: that's like, actually, I don't want to say the guy's name,

489
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: but like that's actually that guy is a huge singer,

490
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: like you guys should probably care about him. Wait, don't know,

491
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: fuck them, keep going No, but I mean so anyway,

492
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: so you know, I'm making good money because I'm making

493
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: my tips off the tour. I'm doing three different jobs

494
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: for TMC. I'm also on the camera with my on

495
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: the street with my camera. I'm on the street with

496
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: my camera. I'm doing the tour.

497
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all this.

498
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: On the tour and the newsroom. They gave me as

499
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: mean jobs as they could.

500
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: And did you join as they were like a startup

501
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: or were they like startup level?

502
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 3: So they were. This was two thousand and so they

503
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: started in like two thousand and five. I got there

504
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: five years later.

505
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: That's considered still startup.

506
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: Probably, so they were. They were the newsroom cast was established,

507
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: so I had to break in. I give I always

508
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: give Harvey credit for this. He uh the same joke,

509
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: because it's very hard to break into that room because

510
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

511
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

512
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: you got to say something, you gotta do something to

513
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: stand out. So you get you start to maximize the

514
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 3: moments that you have, and if you're on that means

515
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

516
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

517
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: But Harvey knew that I had that joke that I

518
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

519
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

520
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

521
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: on the tour, and so it would stop on the

522
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: Hustler tour, and this was a different time to tell

523
00:26:53,280 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

524
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: would have the bus stop right by the Hustle store,

525
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: and you know, Larry Flynn is right, Larry Flint started Hustler,

526
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, this guy's hustle store. Larry Flint

527
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

528
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

529
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

530
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

531
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

532
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: a wheelchair. He was shot. One of the reasons why

533
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

534
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in

535
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: a hustler. It's very true, and the bus will go, oh,

536
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, and I would go like, yeah,

537
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: So Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader

538
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: because he took a bullet so that I could fuck

539
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: white women. That's that's good, right, And so I remember Harvey,

540
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and so I go and so they

541
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: don't want to laugh, they don't.

542
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: Want to laugh funny.

543
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: But I'm in the room and I say that everybody,

544
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: and it's so far out of left field, and they've

545
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: never heard the sound of my voice before. I remember

546
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: shout out to Nina Parker, who worked at TMZ with me,

547
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: who's still a dear friend of mine to this day.

548
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 3: Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at me like, I know,

549
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: they didn't just bring one of these niggas into the

550
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is. But that joke

551
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: put me over in the newsroom, and so and he

552
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: knew that it would. And so after that boom, they

553
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: all left. Another thing I tell the kids, I don't

554
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: want to be hyper verbose about the whole TMZ situation,

555
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: but another thing I tell the kids is your ability

556
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: to succeed at a place is not just about your talent.

557
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

558
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

559
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: So the very first year I was there, I realized

560
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

561
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

562
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

563
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

564
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving to the New Year, because everybody's rotating in and

565
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: off vacation, but they're still doing the show. They still

566
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: have to do a show. They don't go dark for

567
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: two weeks like everybody else is a daily show. I

568
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: did not go home. I stuck around, And when I

569
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: stuck around, I got all of the time to talk

570
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: and be on camera that I wanted to. So in

571
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: that month, I endeared myself to the audience. Right after that,

572
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: he comes in, he goes, we're gonna give you a raise.

573
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna do all of this next time, contract with

574
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: up and just my stature at TMZ just went up

575
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 3: to the point to where I think maybe a year

576
00:29:46,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: two years after that, I was a producer.

577
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: So let's take let's let's fast forward to the iconic

578
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: moments Kanye West.

579
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: You like him?

580
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: I love Kanye. I love old Kanye.

581
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

582
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

583
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: is jay Z and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

584
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z is the ultimate goat.

585
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But Kanye,

586
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: let me try this girl, cheese, go for it.

587
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: Bless you as straight from Angola State Penitentiary right there.

588
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

589
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

590
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: happened in the Kardashian eir, like what kind of drugs

591
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: they put him on or what went wrong because he

592
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: was always pro from the bush statement like he was

593
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

594
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: going on like from beginning to end?

595
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: So Harvey had gone to that that butter gonna burn.

596
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: So Harvey had gone to you know, the week before then,

597
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: Kanye had an album going out, and this is after the

598
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: Trump stuff, and he had, you know, gone off at

599
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: his at his show and all of that stuff. Harvey

600
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: had gone out to Calabasas. He was so giddy calling

601
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: me up to his office and he goes, look what

602
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: it is. It's me hanging out with Kanye West. So

603
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: I'm like whatever, you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm like

604
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: at this point, I don't give a fuck about that.

605
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: I hate that type of shit. Okay, though, I'll tell

606
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: you what I hate. Don't talk to me about who

607
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: you was hanging out with ever. Okay, Like, if you

608
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: go to a party, when you come back and talk

609
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: to me about the party, talk to me about how

610
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: the vibes were, where the drinks good, was the music good?

611
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: So if jay Z was in the room, you want

612
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: to hear about the drinks.

613
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: I don't give off. I don't give off fuck. If

614
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: jay Z came to your party, I couldn't give a fuck.

615
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: What do that? So it's a good party because that's

616
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: the only thing you be here for a whole So

617
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: it's a good party because he was there. Shout out

618
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: to him like it's a good party. Because he was there.

619
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: I don't give welcome thank you. I don't care at all, Like,

620
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: hey man, the drinks was good man, DJ was crazy.

621
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: He played that old school juve and now all of

622
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: that ship. Now I'm gonna come to the party. If

623
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: you start, don't my party. If Jay show up to

624
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: your party, it's a I guess it's a big deal

625
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: for your party. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that

626
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't make me want to attend your party because

627
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: there are famous.

628
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: People there, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay. So

629
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Harvey comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking

630
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: it with.

631
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: This. This is all I heard is Kanye Kanye. And

632
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: so he shows me the thing and him and Kanye

633
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: have some kind of report that they're working on or whatever.

634
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: I don't know it's going on. And so a week

635
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 3: after that he like, I'm in the newsroom. And by

636
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: the way, at this point, I've been very outspoken on

637
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: Kanye because this is Kanye posting with Donald Trump, this

638
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 3: is posts all of that stuff. So it comes up

639
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: to me after the morning meeting. He goes, hey, I

640
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: was like what there he goes, we didn't want to

641
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: tell you but about ten minutes Kanye was about to

642
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: show up here. I was like inside of TMZ and

643
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: he was like yeah. He was like all right, just

644
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: let you know all the mics are going to be down.

645
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: Because the way it works is for TMZ Live, which

646
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 3: is the live show. Showa comes in the middle of day.

647
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: You have a red button at your desk and a

648
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: thing at your desk. Anytime you have that red button,

649
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: you can talk. So after Harvey and Charles do their thing,

650
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: you hit that red button. You can talk. So when

651
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: I want to jump in and say something funny, I

652
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: jump in and say something fun When I want to

653
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 3: jump in when it's time for them to come to me,

654
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: like Van van Van Talk, you can talk. But they

655
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: had all the mics down because they just wanted this

656
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: to be Harvey, Charles and Kanye West. Okay, cool. So

657
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: I go sit at mine shout out to Charlemagne because uh.

658
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: I go sit down at my desk and I start

659
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: watching the interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye that dropped

660
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: that very same day when he was walking around Calabasa.

661
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: So I started watching that. I'm at the desk. Kanye

662
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: West comes in, very polite guy, says hello to everyone

663
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: and everything like that. They go over to the teams

664
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: he live to start doing teams he live. As soon

665
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 3: as the cameras come on, he turns into a fucking demon,

666
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: right like when I say you when I'm like it

667
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: just I come alive in the nighttime type shit. You

668
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's talking now. I mean

669
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.

670
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: He was being demon like the stuff he was saying.

671
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the demon. I'm not demonizing Kanye West.

672
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: I mean it was like the streaming consciousness, the whole thing.

673
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, but I'm still not paying any attention.

674
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm not paying any attention. I'm looking at the interview.

675
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm not a part of this conversation.

676
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: So you're looking at the interview but watching kind of looking.

677
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: Up or Kanya not really. But remember I've been told

678
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

679
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: on them. Uh, Kanye says a slavery four hundred. Oh.

680
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: By the way, Kennice Owens is with him. She came

681
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: to the office with him.

682
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

683
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: interview and still looking at the sharp interview.

684
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas,

685
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: like you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

686
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: they're having all of these deep as sauces. I'm looking

687
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 3: at but I can. I can hear him though, because

688
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

689
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all

690
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: of us, right, so I can, I can hear him.

691
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: It was like, God, damn this nigga, Damn that nigga

692
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: on one and so like, I'm still looking at it,

693
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: and he says, slavery four hundred years, four hundred years.

694
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: That seems like a choice to me, And everybody's like, oh,

695
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: look when he said that, couldn't see her. I don't

696
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: know she. I think she was in the other room,

697
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: because there's a side room. A couple of weeks before that,

698
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: and maybe like a month before that, Candace had gone

699
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: viral for shutting down some some students that had come

700
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: to a turning point us a meeting where she had

701
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: said you're a victim and I don't like you, and

702
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: fuck civil rights, whatever and and whatever she said to them,

703
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: and Kanye was like, this is the type of thinking

704
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: that I like. And then he put it. Kanye put

705
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: Candisons on like she she she By the way, this

706
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: is if any want to make a judgment, call about

707
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: Candace Owns, go to whoever you go to, wherever you

708
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: want to go to or whatever. But he put her

709
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: on basically, so she was with him for a little while.

710
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: I think he got a lot of his his his

711
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: early political when he was first in that new sort

712
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: of right sphere of thought. I think a lot of

713
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: he got a lot of that stuff from her. I

714
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: think he probably still does it this day, from a

715
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: lot of those types of people. Anyhow, so he's talking.

716
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: He says that I didn't say anything when he said that.

717
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: There's a there's a misconception that he said that. And

718
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

719
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

720
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 3: big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

721
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: anything at all? His business he asked, He asked very simply.

722
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

723
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: one other thing about something that he had said. But

724
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: most of the people in the room just sidebar real quick.

725
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: You guys have no idea I guess you actually probably do,

726
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

727
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: You can't go to a fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

728
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

729
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

730
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: oh my God, doesn't matter what he would have said

731
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: up there, He's saying stuff and people are like, Jesus

732
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: Christ is the most famous person that's ever And i'side

733
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: this officer for it, But.

734
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm surprised because at TMG they crossed past it a lot.

735
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: No nobody like that, Like it's like, especially to be

736
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: in the office doing that. It's one thing to have

737
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: to see people out on the street and get a

738
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: but you know, there's a specific TMZ celebrity that we

739
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

740
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

741
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

742
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

743
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

744
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

745
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: now let me tell you a split second, is how

746
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: my mind works. Like for me, I just have like

747
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

748
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: you can fuck over. I don't have to be the

749
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: number one guy. But like I'll fight you until you

750
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: realize you can't fuck over me. I'll play you in

751
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: basketball to our realize I can't be the easy guy

752
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 3: to get over on. So if you ask me something

753
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity in

754
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: me that says, I gotta answer this question, like I

755
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

756
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: like everybody was, like you are filled up with the answers,

757
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

758
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

759
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: how I feel like he was acting, because then it

760
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

761
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: of get off on. So he says that, and I

762
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: gonna know, y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything

763
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: like actually you don't know you're I remember, I'm said,

764
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to the whole thing. But you look

765
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: crazy right now, like everything that you're doing, not just now,

766
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: but every other time, like you look crazy, you're not thinking,

767
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: and particularly this it's not even about that. It's about

768
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: what the regression or how can I put this? Not regression,

769
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: it's what a guy like that represents because we empower him.

770
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: So imagine like spinning your youth, like arming somebody with

771
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: this great, big cultural gun. Everything that Kanye did, we

772
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 3: were I was down in Louisiana wheen he said George

773
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: Bush doesn't care about black people. He was my god.

774
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: Like all the things that he would say when he

775
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: would speak out, like you defend them, you advocate for him.

776
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: You do it. You stand by and you just the

777
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: little cultural gun that he has, a little megaphone, it

778
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: just gets bigger and bigger. The gun just gets bigger

779
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: and bigger and bigger, and then one day you're staring

780
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: down the barrel of it. Now the things that he's

781
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 3: saying that you've empowered him to say are being turned

782
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: right back at you. And so like it's like, hey,

783
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: don't shoot me, Like why are you shooting at me?

784
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. It's like I'm the

785
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: same dude like you you Kanye West, I love you. Yeah,

786
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: Like if I'm not about to diss him. Never would

787
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: I say to you, know, you're a genius. Everything that

788
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: you've done is you deserve all the stuff that you've gotten.

789
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: We love you. Well, let me tell you how you're

790
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: making us feel. That's it. That's it. I'm not trying

791
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: to go toe to toad with like a cultural deity,

792
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to act

793
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: like he hasn't inspired me in the ways that he's

794
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: inspired me, or act like he hasn't done the things

795
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: he's done, Like we don't do that where I'm from.

796
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: We give you your props, or else we would be haters.

797
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: But I just have to let him know, like what

798
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: you're doing right now is particularly pernicious to us because

799
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: we're in a very specific place in this country. And

800
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 3: when you go back and you watch it, you listen, Now, look,

801
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: my thing is this, any one person like that. There's

802
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: no person that's going to be able to be a

803
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: nigger whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a

804
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: day to day experience that people have that has to

805
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: do with their surroundings, who they are, their input and

806
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: output that's going to affect how they look at the world,

807
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: and you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

808
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: But what I do think is important as black people

809
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: who is for us to be cognizant of how what

810
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: we do affects other people. For example, I worked at

811
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: TMZ for nine years. I'm not in a moral position

812
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: to chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

813
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

814
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: understand compromises that people have to make in order to

815
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: get to where they want to get. I understand that

816
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

817
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: what it is that they're getting into. And then on

818
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

819
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

820
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

821
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

822
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: can choose either you can continue to harm me or

823
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: you can be different.

824
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

825
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

826
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: So it was really the beginning of my career. And

827
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: the reason why it was was because number one, I

828
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

829
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: the reputation that they have there. And this is not

830
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

831
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

832
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

833
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: And I think going over.

834
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like what kind of culture? Like

835
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: are you familiar with I am familiar with them. I'm

836
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: just saying, describe it. Ah, I'm saying from the journalists perspective,

837
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: you're saying, like.

838
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a reason why

839
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: like a TMS exists, And honestly, the reason why TMS

840
00:43:51,920 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: exists is the need for people to feel good about themselves.

841
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: The reader or the watcher toe.

842
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: So the celebrity in America is uh overloved, way overloved,

843
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: over important, over everything. It just doesn't matter that much

844
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 3: that somebody is famous or rich. It just really doesn't

845
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: matter that much. Honestly, it's probably a net negative. However,

846
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: it's so it's so precious to people that there's a

847
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: need to feel that that person has done or is

848
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: doing something.

849
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: Wrong, like to more humanize them.

850
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take Kim

851
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: Kardashian right. Everybody saw her fuck right. Everybody saw her

852
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: fuck it's just sex tape out. Everybody saw it right.

853
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: Everybody watched the sex tape that comes out. And people

854
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: get to make the decision about whether or not they

855
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: would have that happen for them, whether or not they

856
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: would go through that in order to be Kim Kardashian.

857
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: And it makes them feel good to say no. So

858
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: it makes them feel good to say, you know what,

859
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want that life. It's too crazy. It makes

860
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: them good to feel to say. It makes them feel

861
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: good to say, I wouldn't compromise myself in that way.

862
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: It makes him feel good to say, I would never

863
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: do this. I would never be around these people. I

864
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: would never do that. I would never do this. It

865
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: makes him feel good to say, Hollywood's too weird, I

866
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't do that. Right, and TMZ feels that bloodlust that

867
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: people have, and it lets them disconnect from the idea

868
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: that these people are better than them. It lets them

869
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: disconnect because every time somebody gets a DUI and it

870
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: goes up to the thing every time somebody gets a divorce.

871
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: Everybody in here knows people that have been divorced. Yeah,

872
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: there's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. Sometimes

873
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. But

874
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: you want to believe certain people will never be happy

875
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship.

876
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: So you want to you want to believe, like like you,

877
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: like you, you you, you want to believe that, right,

878
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: you want to believe that teams gives you that. In

879
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people

880
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: like they're not people. They have to treat them as

881
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: if their concepts celebrity is not a person.

882
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: That's why I guess TMZ comes off a little bit

883
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: invasive and ruthless.

884
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: Right, Well, no, because they're.

885
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like.

886
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: Well, you have to write like even even the TMZ

887
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

888
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, animals animals, right and.

889
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: So and so like when when you like the tours

890
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: celebrities far as animals, right? And so you do that,

891
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: right and what you what you say is okay, Well,

892
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr

893
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: at its base, right, So this is what you sign

894
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: up for kind of right, because like there are certain

895
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: things that you don't sign up I'll never talk I'll

896
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: never I'll never forget this. There was the sister of

897
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: a celebrity that had that had had something taught done

898
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk about

899
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo, we

900
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. And they did the story and this

901
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: dude went on fucking and let us fucking happ and

902
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, we had to take it down

903
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: and apologize and do all that stuff. I like, yo, like,

904
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: there's a limit to this. And that's not me making

905
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: a moral judgment on team Team. I'm just telling you

906
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 3: the way things go. So like when you know all

907
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: of that, when you have an idea of what drives that,

908
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: like obviously they're moral. Uh, there're things that you have

909
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: to not care about to work there. But most of

910
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: the people there are good people. They're just desensitized to

911
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: whatever was going on there because that's where they work,

912
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 3: like like that, like that's what they do. I'm there,

913
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. Things are coming in. At a

914
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: certain point, you go, goddamn, you know and it's there

915
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: will be little small things. This is a football player

916
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: that had this video come out of some altercation. It

917
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: was in and it said savage beating by this, and

918
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: I was just looking at the hellline. I'm like, that's

919
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: I don't think we should go savage beating there. Like

920
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: I think savage is like a it's like an interesting

921
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: way where there's just little small things. The mayor of

922
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies like

923
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: he died and like, by the way, the people in

924
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: DC are going to freak the funk out because I

925
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry was

926
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from, Like

927
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: I deal with a group of people, a community, people

928
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: that are always categorized by the worst moment that they have.

929
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a man that

930
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: means so much to his city by the worst moe

931
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: scandalous thing you ever had. You can't talk about his

932
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: life without talking about that, but maybe in the headline

933
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: you don't do that. So so it so all of

934
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: those things start to start to happen, And so for me,

935
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: what the place represents. It's not even so much a

936
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: bunch of uh, not even so much a bunch of

937
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: moral people that are running around trying to get the

938
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: dirt on celebrities. It represents our relationship to celebrity and

939
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: our relationship to ourselves, because there's no fucking reason whatsoever

940
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: why we should spend so much time talking about what

941
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: happens in the lives of famous people.

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