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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not really into conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal with Patrick Claybonn and Jordan Rodrigue and

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Speaker 1: Chris Westley podcast Studio. However, this conspiracy theory that the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns changed the structure of Miles Garrett's contract and

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Speaker 1: they're introducing a potential rule at the owners meetings to

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Speaker 1: allow teams to trade draft picks five years out has

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Speaker 1: me buying into the maybe they just want to trade

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Patrick, somebody was motivated to share

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Speaker 2: the story, and so I'm gonna have to delve into

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Speaker 2: that a little bit more before I try to develop

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Speaker 2: my own consis okay because I am prone to it

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this, maybe this doesn't even qualify as a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of like putting a few things together

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Speaker 1: without any real basis in reporting it. Just it actually

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Speaker 1: is making me think, Okay, maybe this, maybe this thing

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Speaker 1: could happen.

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Speaker 3: You would also have to assume that the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 3: are setting up a long term infrastructure for success for

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Speaker 3: themselves in this scenario. And I also think that this

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Speaker 3: is actually a thing that a lot of teams have

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Speaker 3: talked about for a long time, and sometimes you draw the.

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Speaker 4: Straw of like the one that volunteers.

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Speaker 5: May be the one to introduce it, right.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Cleveland Browns, particularly ownership and that

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Speaker 3: front office maybe owes the league for taking one for

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Speaker 3: the team.

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Speaker 5: So maybe that's a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they own the they you know, owe the

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Speaker 1: league just for the blight of the entire Deshaun Watson era.

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Speaker 4: It's really more than this. That was what I no,

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'd like the structure, the structure change of the Miles

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of heavy news to talk about.

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Speaker 4: But they pushed back.

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Speaker 5: I would like to see it.

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Speaker 4: That's how I They pushed space.

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Speaker 1: They pushed back an option bonus that basically had no

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Speaker 1: impact on their salary cap situation from the end of

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Speaker 1: this month to you know, closer to the season, which,

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Speaker 1: in theory, Field Yates was the first to report this

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Speaker 1: from ESPN. In theory, would make it easier for them

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Speaker 1: to trade Miles Garrett during the draft or in the

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Speaker 1: lead up to the draft. The whole rules proposal thing

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Speaker 1: that I'm that's really part of the conspiracy. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter because it's not gonna happen fast enough to really

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Speaker 1: help them out. That's more of you know, their entire

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Speaker 1: front offices, including Andrew Berry's like long term Ponzi scheme

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Speaker 1: the Browns despite having terrible results. One thing like, let's

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Speaker 1: just make this into a twelve year plan when our

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Speaker 1: seven year plan has this in the worst spot in

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Speaker 3: If you obtain a twenty thirty first round pick, you

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Speaker 3: probably keep your job, you know. I, But I also

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Speaker 3: think this is interesting to me. I would I honestly

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Speaker 3: thought that Miles Garrett should have been traded a while ago,

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Speaker 3: But at this point it is funny to me because

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Speaker 3: his value would not have been higher now he's got

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Speaker 3: the contract, and yes, the contract is easier to be

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Speaker 3: traded now, but his value pre contract would have never

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Speaker 3: been higher to a team who could have been designated

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Speaker 3: the terms of then created the terms of that contract themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it always why now?

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Speaker 1: It always felt like that was more of an ownership thing,

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Speaker 1: and Miles Garrett kind of wanted to get out, and

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Speaker 1: I think the front office would have seen the path

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Speaker 1: that that made sense last year, and then ownership was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get rid of this guy because

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Speaker 1: maybe he's going to do something like set the single

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Speaker 5: That'll fix everything.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I think his value would still be high

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Speaker 1: by the way, you know, like we're doing some news here,

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Speaker 1: and we're also gonna rank some teams later in the

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Speaker 1: show who we trust on draft.

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Speaker 2: This situation is not necessarily impacting where I feel about

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Speaker 1: What the Browns, Yeah, well they're going to be They're

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Speaker 2: Of trustworthiness in general.

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Speaker 4: What could you get?

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Speaker 1: Do you think for Miles Garrett, I did poke around.

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Speaker 1: I was like, do you think this is a real thing?

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone knows. I don't think any

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Speaker 1: But for salary cap purposes like Miles Garrett if you're

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Speaker 1: figure things out in future years because the Browns paid

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Speaker 1: all those signing bonuses. So is there any teams that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dallas Cowboys have a need for generational addresser.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you look, and I think they would.

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Speaker 4: I think they would do it.

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Speaker 1: People are like, hey, it's from Texas.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he's from Texas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, at a certain point, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: Or a rookie on a quarterback that's good on his

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Speaker 1: would describe the Bears and the Commanders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly the Patriots more so I could see Bears

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Speaker 2: But also there's probably a lot of young people in

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Speaker 2: to have Miles Garrett finish his career in Cleveland, I

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Speaker 3: You guys think that the Jim Schwartz thing has anything

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Speaker 3: I mean, he you know, he has played some of

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Speaker 1: You know, well, there was a report that Todd Bunkin

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Speaker 2: Who since that out?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, just saying that it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like the coach.

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Speaker 1: I think they maybe asked him at the press conference

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Speaker 4: Just it'd be.

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Speaker 2: Fun, Jim, if you're out there, if you can hear

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Speaker 2: our voices, Yeah, call us, hit us up. Come on

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Speaker 2: the show The cell Man. We just jumped right into

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Speaker 2: it today. No, no high, no hello, no Wow.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy that Patrick's already been offered a SAG card

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Speaker 1: after his performance.

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Speaker 4: Yes, on our last show.

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Speaker 1: We're wrapping up the week here talking about trades because

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Speaker 1: there was a nice article that I just thought I

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Speaker 1: about the Jonathan Grenard situation. Jonathan Grinard wants a big

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Speaker 1: last year, there was reports that the Eagles were.

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Speaker 1: Alec didn't exactly report that the Colts were also in

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Speaker 2: They don't want to just give him away.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, we all want things right, but making

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Speaker 5: Now. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying this for him. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: The fact that he were said in the article a

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Speaker 1: it for less than a day two pick makes me think, wow,

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Speaker 1: When I was trying to come up with teams that

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Speaker 3: The Eagles, however, have Maybe that's why the Browns want

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Speaker 4: Right, they got to change the road. They're not going

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Speaker 4: to change them for this year, though, would they if they?

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Speaker 1: I guess I get we have to find out next

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Speaker 1: week you will be at the owners meetings and they're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about this rule to possibly make it,

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Speaker 1: you know, available to trade picks five years out. Now

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of gms, by the way, in the

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Speaker 1: the road will not help you keep your job whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: because there's a million of them who have made dumb

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Speaker 2: It always the price that we always see. It never

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Speaker 2: drafting it was a dart shot.

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Speaker 1: Compare him to Reuben Bain here, Compare him to some

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Speaker 4: And that's why.

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Speaker 1: Also it became national NFL news that Dan Orlowsky likes

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Speaker 2: I Dan, We'll forget more about quarterbacking than I will

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Speaker 1: My larger point is that in a normal draft cycle

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Speaker 3: What I would just say to the people who really

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Speaker 5: Needed for the draft.

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Speaker 3: So it just because you're not seeing it now doesn't

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Speaker 2: But the people are hungry. The people, as Greg points out,

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Speaker 1: Also, I don't like the idea that people are like,

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Speaker 4: So maybe he should be a linebacker.

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Speaker 5: I would require nuance and critical thinking. Greg, what do

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Speaker 2: And as you guys always know, I'm not on the

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Speaker 1: Also, you know where r l Rees didn't have that

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Speaker 1: That's why people are talking about him as an edge

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Speaker 5: I will never.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, it's this is Let's be

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Speaker 5: Watch the tape.

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Speaker 1: Good call and Rvel Reese has some great tape. And

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Speaker 5: Now all the passing concepts talk about it last.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned the league annual meeting is coming.

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Speaker 1: I do remember that that Arizona owners meaning actually I

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Speaker 4: That's next level.

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Speaker 1: Let's give a quick preview, which is just they're expected

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Speaker 5: Listen, it's just proper planning. There's a lot up in

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Speaker 1: Let's get it when the big headlines are coming. Not

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Speaker 1: that they're prepping for it, but the fact that, like

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Speaker 1: they literally might be voting on rules shows us this

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Speaker 1: could be something we are talking about a lot in

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Speaker 1: September if they don't get this thing done.

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Speaker 2: And we have ownership at least the particulars making the decision.

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Speaker 2: We've lost some since the last notable incident of a

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Speaker 2: labor disagreement between the officials and the league, but the

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Speaker 2: lasting memory of that being the fail mary and being

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Speaker 2: closer in a lot of people's minds, I think gives

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Speaker 2: them a little more power in this. And I am

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Speaker 2: a noted person who's critical of referees, but you know

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Speaker 2: they are workers.

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Speaker 3: And you know this is interesting for you because it's

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Speaker 3: it is referees. But you and I agree pro labor.

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Speaker 3: But now so now it's like the Venn diagram of

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Speaker 3: it is it is also the referees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, they're not cops. They're actual workers

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Speaker 2: who yeah for a job, and you know I stand

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Speaker 2: in solidarity with them.

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Speaker 1: I hear everything you're saying, and then I think back

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Speaker 1: to the Fail Mary. And you know what that was

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Speaker 1: great for back at the time, like NFL dot Com,

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Speaker 1: it's this is true.

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Speaker 2: I feel horrible for our country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i've I actually I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: about this because I used to be pretty in on

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Speaker 1: the numbers of it all. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 1: the Night of the Fail Mary was the most red

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Speaker 1: knight like in the history of NFL dot Com. I

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Speaker 1: definitely never because I remember being up late that night

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Speaker 1: and just like continuing to write like different versions of

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Speaker 1: those stories. And I would guess that that was like

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Speaker 1: my all time night of metrics. Just people could not

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Speaker 1: get enough of the Fail Mary. Everything that came together.

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Speaker 1: The people love to hate on referees. They love drama.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like all combining normally not saying this

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Speaker 1: is good for football, but it might be in the

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Speaker 1: back of their mind that this is not going to

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Speaker 1: hurt us.

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Speaker 4: Well, not anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm not writing, but I want the NFL dot Com

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Speaker 1: shout out to David Ely and Kevin Patrick and Chuck

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Speaker 1: to keep it going and.

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Speaker 2: Ten nine to fifty West Washington Boulevard. All the things

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Speaker 2: that happened back during the failed Mary time. But the

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Speaker 2: thing that I remember about it the most is normally

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Speaker 2: with officiating discussions, there were there were arguments about was

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Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 4: Was it call wrong?

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Speaker 2: There was a little bit of that, but because the

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Speaker 2: disagreement was so immediate, the only thing was, Hey, there's

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Speaker 2: a work.

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Speaker 4: Stoppage and we've got outrage. We got to get this

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Speaker 4: figured out.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the that's the key to social media.

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Speaker 1: Just just focused on outrage.

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Speaker 3: And just to remind the listener. And that was who

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Speaker 3: were probably some of whom we're probably quite young at

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Speaker 3: the time. That was the replacement refs, So this was

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Speaker 3: obviously their strike. Essentially, yes, they could not come to

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Speaker 3: terms on their contract. Now this contract is up again

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Speaker 3: and they're trying to avoid another situation where there are

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Speaker 3: replacement refs. But so far the officials have accused the

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Speaker 3: NFL of not coming in good faith to the arguments.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time the refs have actually spoken

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Speaker 3: up about the state of the negotiation.

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Speaker 5: So hydri' in store for next week.

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Speaker 1: Great context, And yeah, I believe that was week three

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Speaker 1: and that was that was when I was working for

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Speaker 1: the NFL from New York from my apartment.

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Speaker 4: And then the bus stop, and then by every seven minutes.

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Speaker 3: Every Halloween costume that year was replacement refs.

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Speaker 1: A couple other quick items. I noted that NBA Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer George Gervin is planning to battle Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: over his plan to trademark the nickname Iceman. Apparently that

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Speaker 1: is the nickname Caleb Williams Enjoys is going with is

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Speaker 1: called already.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't aware of that.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on Caleb william as Iceman and if it's okay

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Speaker 1: for current players to take a very famous nickname from

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Speaker 1: a player that most twenty you know somethings have never

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Speaker 1: heard of. But it was a pretty pretty iconic nickname.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, copyright law. It can be an interesting aspect. I

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Speaker 2: think of Val Kilmer when I think of Iceman, and

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Speaker 2: I think I can also think of Kile Williams. I

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Speaker 2: hope everybody gets what they deserve.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, money, that's what they're looking for.

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Speaker 3: Also, I think one thing I do appreciate about this,

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Speaker 3: it's the fan base gave.

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Speaker 5: Him the nickname.

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Speaker 3: He didn't just assign it to himself. It wasn't like

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Speaker 3: a pro football reference thing either, it was literally like

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Speaker 3: the fan base after watching some of those incredible fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter comebacks in particularly Vice Man, you know, especially some

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Speaker 3: in the cold and the snow and all that stuff

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Speaker 3: they have given him.

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Speaker 2: This Gary Payton did that with the glove. He just

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Speaker 2: told people to start calling him the glove and also worked.

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Speaker 2: You know, black Mamba for Kobe came just straight up

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Speaker 2: from Nike. That was.

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Speaker 4: You get all yourself.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to George Gervin, by the way, just pulling

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Speaker 1: him up here on pro basketball. Yes, a four time

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Speaker 1: scoring champ, one of the best to ever, MVP, twelve

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Speaker 1: time All Star, So shout out to him. And while

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Speaker 1: we're talking other sports, let's go to break and let's

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Speaker 1: just look up at a picture where tape this on

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Speaker 1: opening day of baseball. It'll come up on Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 1: the Mets David Sterns who broke out the quarter zip

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Speaker 1: under a zip combination, which is new ground for the

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Speaker 1: quarter over a button, down over a button. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've seen Joe and Troy in the quarter zip

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Speaker 1: under a zip up. I don't know, it's like a

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Speaker 1: quarter zip and a half zip. Our friend Jackson. Bevins

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Speaker 1: pointed this out. It does zip all the way to

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Speaker 1: the bottom. So the jacket over the quarter zip is

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Speaker 1: is not two quarters zips. But I think someone needs

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Speaker 1: to just go full double quarter zip. Make it a

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Speaker 1: half zip. Just the thought, let's take quit. You want

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Speaker 1: another level? I want another level. Oh I want a

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Speaker 1: quarter zip over another quarter zip. If we're going to

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Speaker 1: go this way, I feel like he is. He is

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Speaker 1: caught in the matrix right now, and I love it.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of texture happening here.

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Speaker 2: He's listening intently.

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Speaker 5: Thought a shack at.

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Speaker 4: Greg is an audio medium, so that's a problem. First

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Speaker 4: down in ten I formation with comet Wright snap.

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Speaker 6: Caleb play fake, looking to throw, going deep, searching for

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Speaker 6: DJ Moore over the shoulder, catch me touchdown theirs HiT's

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Speaker 6: over at Soldier Field.

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Speaker 4: The iceman cometh to the iceman take it a forty

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Speaker 4: six yard spirals to the end zone to DJ Moore.

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Speaker 2: What a strike.

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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson going for the big balls and it's.

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Speaker 2: Captain Trench time.

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Speaker 4: Caleb does it again.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, jef Zniac. The iceman cometh, the iceman take it.

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Speaker 4: I love that, and yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 1: I should have remembered that the Iceman was happening in

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Speaker 1: the same stretch of games that DJ Moore was happening.

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Speaker 1: It really is amazing to think of the drama that

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Speaker 1: DJ Moore added not only to the Chicago Bears franchise,

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Speaker 1: but the end of that season with two iconic catches

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Speaker 1: and then one iconic bad route that also ended in

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Speaker 1: their season in a bad way.

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Speaker 3: And he also lent some really amazing drama to the

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Speaker 3: start of the regular season too.

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Speaker 4: Love love us some DJ Moore love us Iceman, the

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Speaker 4: Iceman for everyone.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We've got a very iceman, serious important draft today.

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Speaker 1: We are drafting the teams we trust the most when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the organizations that we trust will do the right thing

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Speaker 1: for their franchise. Draft good players, make good trades, make

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Speaker 1: good decisions. Basically the front offices we trust the most,

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Speaker 1: specifically for the draft, and we're also going to do

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Speaker 1: some some teams we trust the least. Now in an

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Speaker 1: extremely complicated and contentious off camera procedure, only because it

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Speaker 1: was YouTube sure, Jordan will be choosing first. Patrick chose

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Speaker 1: to choose second after after winning the lottery and I

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Speaker 1: will be choosing third, so you get to start us off, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: who is the best, the team you trust the most,

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Speaker 1: the delight.

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Speaker 4: In the NFL. I didn't want to. I just want

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Speaker 4: didn't want to lose the off screen.

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Speaker 3: I am going to plot twist a little bit because

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Speaker 3: I think I know what all the listeners think that

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick right now, But I'm going with

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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks, okay, as a team that currently I

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Speaker 3: trust to draft the most. When I was sort of

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Speaker 3: doing these trust the most in the draft the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 3: This was a lot of thought about this exercise overalls

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Speaker 3: a lot of thought about continuity. How much of an

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Speaker 3: advantage continuity can can be in a front office when

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Speaker 3: the language of evaluation is understood not just within the

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Speaker 3: scouting and talent identification departments, but also between the GM

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Speaker 3: and the coach, en the scouts and the head coach.

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Speaker 3: I think with Mike McDonald in this position has really

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Speaker 3: shown a high skill level in communicating specifically what types

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Speaker 3: of players he wants and how to build a complete

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Speaker 3: puzzle with those players, and not just draft to fireflight,

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Speaker 3: to traits, or to need, but to also look at

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Speaker 3: some sort of intersection between the players we need, the

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Speaker 3: players who would best help us quickly and the players

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Speaker 3: that absolutely can be maximized by this coaching staff. So

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Speaker 3: that right now, I think that for Josh Schneider what

633
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Speaker 3: to turn around some questionable draft decisions in recent years

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Speaker 3: free agency decisions, contracts, but has been consistent and has

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Speaker 3: continued to sort of rebuild these teams without ever totally

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Speaker 3: tearing the roster down. That means that they draft well.

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Speaker 3: If you can do that, it means you draft very

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Speaker 3: very well or consistently. And so I think the consistency

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Speaker 3: and then the ceiling of this means that I picked

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Speaker 3: the Seahawks first.

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Speaker 1: It brings up a larger conversation here in general, which

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Speaker 1: I could have prefaced this whole exercise, like is there

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Speaker 1: such a thing even as good drafting teams, because over

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Speaker 1: a long enough timeline usually go through dipson lulls, and

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Speaker 1: you speak to that. For Schneider was once on the

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Speaker 1: hot seat, and yet since twenty twenty two, and this

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Speaker 1: is when this is still with two years left of Carol,

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Speaker 1: no one's been on a heater like him. He gets

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Speaker 1: the Charles Cross, Mafe, Kenneth Walker, Abe Lucas Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 1: Reek Wollend half back in twenty two. Then he follows

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Speaker 1: that up with the best two first round picks in

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Speaker 1: the same draft. I think of any team this decade

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Speaker 1: so far, I mean, do we have anything topping Devin

654
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Speaker 1: witherspoon in, Jackson Smith and Jigba I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: And then two very solid drafts after that you had

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Speaker 1: Emon Worry and Zabel That's even better obviously than solid.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see if anyone else contributes. It had a

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Speaker 1: lot of picks last year. Tory Horton looks okay, and

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Speaker 1: even the year before, which wasn't as star studied Byron

660
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Speaker 1: Murphy and A. J. Barner are two great starters there.

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Speaker 1: So that's the McDonald era the last two years. And

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Speaker 1: it does get me thinking though, Like as I did

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Speaker 1: this exercise, I kind of thought about do we believe that,

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Speaker 1: Like obviously, drafting is like the most important thing you

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Speaker 1: can do, and continuity is really important, and yet the

666
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Speaker 1: numbers will tell you that over a long enough timeline

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to find teams that are better at

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Speaker 1: drafting than other teams, and that you could have no

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Speaker 1: scouting department whatsoever, and just draft off the consensus sport

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Speaker 1: and someone with a basic knowledge of their team needs,

671
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Speaker 1: like me or something, and you might still be in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the NFL in terms of drafting. You'll

673
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Speaker 1: probably have teams that are better and teams that are

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Speaker 1: worse than you.

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Speaker 2: This is a.

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Speaker 3: Lane in the profession and in the sport where a

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Speaker 3: thirty five to forty percent hit rate is considered successful

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Speaker 3: and it's not even high quality starters, it's just contributors.

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Speaker 3: So keeping bearing that in mind, to have one or

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Speaker 3: two players who fit into a larger puzzle per year,

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Speaker 3: in my mind, automatically makes you a good drafting team

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Speaker 3: versus a bad drafting team.

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Speaker 5: Where they rank in between.

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Speaker 3: That I think is a matter of preference, which is

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Speaker 3: why this is kind of fun today because it's our preference.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you can get two solid starters, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good draft. If you can get a great starter

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Speaker 1: and a solid starter and a contributor, then it gets

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Speaker 1: to another level when you go beyond that's that's the

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Speaker 1: epic stuff.

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Speaker 4: You got number two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we have to be so results oriented when

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Speaker 2: it comes to this, because people talk about hitting a

695
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Speaker 2: baseball being the most difficult thing in sports, and like

696
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Speaker 2: that round that hit rate of three hundred is like idyllic.

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Speaker 2: But in this the pitches that you see, you don't

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Speaker 2: even play a role in determining that. There's so much

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Speaker 2: randomness that goes into drafting in the first place, and

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Speaker 2: your team need and retirement and all of these other

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Speaker 2: things that lead into it. So I have to consider

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Speaker 2: the total apparati apparadi of these organizations. That's gonna be

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Speaker 2: the second time. I don't even know if I've said

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Speaker 2: that that word exists.

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Speaker 4: Greg it works. I like that, it sounds good.

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Speaker 2: That's the most important, yes, and that's that's where I go.

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Speaker 1: You can include trades, by the way, like draft day

708
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Speaker 1: trades in terms of your announce and so in.

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Speaker 2: That like I have to evaluate because this is where

710
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Speaker 2: I made a mistake last year famously in the TM rankings.

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Speaker 1: Total organization that was your ty Simpson over Mendoza was

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Speaker 1: taking Terry. I'm not gonna go there because I think

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Speaker 1: the elet of Falconeta have some talent on dam ninth

714
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Speaker 1: and they were like the sixteenth best em That's fine.

715
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Speaker 2: I will be overly predictable and go with the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: I think you have to have a cohesive team that

717
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Speaker 2: makes these decisions, that there needs to be a plan

718
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Speaker 2: and a structure within making those decisions. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the people who are kind of flailing about to try

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Speaker 2: to keep their jobs. They're in that situation because of ownership,

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Speaker 2: but also if they had performed better, they would not

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Speaker 2: be in that situation, so they will be a little

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Speaker 2: bit lower. But as far as the you know, Larry's

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Speaker 2: and Howie Roseman, they would be mine.

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Speaker 1: And another option, by the way, for two first round

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Speaker 1: picks in the same season would be the same year

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Speaker 1: as Devin Witherspoon and JSN it would be Jaalen Carter

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Speaker 1: and Nolan's I wouldn't put that.

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Speaker 4: I take the Seahawks duo.

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Speaker 1: But that's pretty good from nine to thirty because you

731
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Speaker 1: have to consider where they're drafting too. They got the

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Speaker 1: defensive backs in twenty four yea. In general, they have

733
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Speaker 1: a system which is they take big guys, and they

734
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Speaker 1: take big talented and they also take talented guys that

735
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Speaker 1: fall a little further than you're expected, like a DeVante

736
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Speaker 1: Smith didn't exactly fit their bold and yet yeah, you

737
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Speaker 1: look at the top of their drafts and that's where

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Speaker 1: they excel.

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Speaker 4: I think I probably would have had them first too.

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Speaker 3: One thing that matters to me is they're often, especially recently,

741
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Speaker 3: picking later in the first round, and they still manage

742
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Speaker 3: to find value there. And then what I really like

743
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Speaker 3: is how when they do have an above average scheme

744
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Speaker 3: last year certainly was not offense but defense, they've had

745
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Speaker 3: it for a couple years when it has been offense

746
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Speaker 3: as well, They've really been able to find really good

747
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Speaker 3: players that they can attune to that scheme where that

748
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Speaker 3: really can be really mutually compatible within that and like

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Speaker 3: lift the ceiling. And that's what happened with those secondary players,

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Speaker 3: Quinon Mitchell and Cooper Dejene.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they also trade more than just about anyone.

753
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Speaker 1: I think they've been really good about being patient, and

754
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Speaker 1: that's where ownership and continuity helps too, because they often

755
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Speaker 1: trade into the future and get great value out of

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Speaker 1: those trades. I was looking at the draft though, like

757
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: it's like with anyone, though, you can find like years

758
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Speaker 1: where they slumped. They took Jalen Rager famously over Justin Jefferson,

759
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: and that's where the consensus board would have won that year.

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Speaker 1: Like Justin Jefferson was very underdrafted, was expected to go

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Speaker 1: ahead of Jalen Rager. They needed a slot guy, which

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Speaker 1: was what people thought of Justin Jefferson at the time.

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Speaker 1: They took Jalen Rager, but they also in that draft

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Speaker 1: got a little creative, pissed everyone off and took Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts higher than everyone expected. That worked out fantastic, but

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Speaker 1: they had like an Andre Dillard, Artaga Whiteside, Miles Sanders year,

767
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Speaker 1: which you know, not great even even the best teams.

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Speaker 4: All right, number three, this is tough. A lot of

769
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Speaker 4: good teams on the board. It's a snake draft, right, No,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not a snake draft.

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Speaker 2: You go to you.

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Speaker 4: I want to see how long.

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Speaker 1: You will try to just push against what you think

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Speaker 1: the listeners are expecting in terms of taking the rams.

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Speaker 1: And so I won't take the rams just to put

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Speaker 1: you on the spot for the next spot, because this

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Speaker 1: is very scientific.

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Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to take the choice, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't quite quite believe in it.

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Speaker 5: This is for the three spot, So do what's right

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Speaker 5: for the three spot.

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Speaker 4: No, I will do what's right for the three spot.

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Speaker 1: Bucks fans will be shocked, but they have been an

784
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Speaker 1: extremely consistent Yes team, And if you go to some

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Speaker 1: of these models that are out there, and I did,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's cheating, Like there's a way to

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Speaker 1: do it. Steve Patent put this out, but it's using

788
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Speaker 1: kind of the approximate value on ProFootball reference over expectation

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Speaker 1: for draft picks since twenty two. Number one on the

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Speaker 1: list is actually the Rams, who get a huge benefit

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Speaker 1: from the fact that they've been drafting later and hit big.

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Speaker 1: The Bucks are number two on that list for approximate

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00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: value over expectation over the last four years. But one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I will go with Jason Light is

795
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Speaker 1: that because I think it's been consistent throughout the years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has a lot of big misses.

797
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: He maybe hasn't had quite as many high level like wow,

798
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: these are just absolute home runs. Those are hard to find.

799
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Speaker 1: But man, he hit singles and doubles and he is

800
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Speaker 1: absolutely consistent. So I'm gonna take the Bucks number three

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Speaker 1: just to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 3: No, I love that because they're up super high for

803
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: me as well. You know, I've always spoken highly of

804
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Speaker 3: how they do things on when we're on this show,

805
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Speaker 3: and like that.

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Speaker 5: That's so I like how you put that.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I love that study with the value

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Speaker 3: over position or the estimated value over expected of the

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Speaker 3: picks that Steven patented. That was a really cool chart.

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Speaker 3: I will say I appreciate it too. He showed he

811
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Speaker 3: talked about where some of the maybe blind spots were

812
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Speaker 3: which it was not weighted by position for example.

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Speaker 1: So I think you do factor that in when like

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Speaker 1: Yes's approximate value from Pro Football references.

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Speaker 4: It very flats that in general, but it's just a

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Speaker 4: good like. I liked it.

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Speaker 3: It was a great exercise and it also helped you show.

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Speaker 3: It also helped show how many picks because volume picking

819
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Speaker 3: is really important too. When you have such a low

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Speaker 3: success percentage possible from draft picking, that volume picking is

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Speaker 3: is awesome.

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Speaker 5: I love it because their floor is so high with

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Speaker 5: how they pick.

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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned it, Greg, it's not too many egregious

825
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Speaker 3: misses or outside of process misses. It's always like we

826
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Speaker 3: have a formula, we understand the players that that we want,

827
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Speaker 3: we understand how we scout those players, and they don't

828
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Speaker 3: second guess themselves much and they build they build complete groups.

829
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Speaker 3: Their receivers room is about as complete as any in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, even though it's not always the sexiest. Their

831
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: offensive line is one of the more complete defensive line groups.

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Speaker 3: Their defensive line, yes they need pass rush help, but

833
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Speaker 3: it's especially on that interior, it's one of the most

834
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Speaker 3: They just build complete groups. They understand how to build

835
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: complimentary skill sets. They have for years, And I really

836
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Speaker 3: like that about the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Abuka is a huge hit at nineteen, Graham Barton.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize it is a massive hit

839
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Speaker 1: at twenty six. Elijah Kanty's a hit at nineteen. A

840
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Speaker 1: lot of their second round picks, like Cody Mock, and

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Speaker 1: I like the defensive backs they took, even the year

842
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Speaker 1: they didn't have a first round pick. Okay, Logan Hall

843
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work out great at the top of the first

844
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Speaker 1: the second round, but then you get get a key

845
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Speaker 1: Rashad White, Kada, and right after that it's really just

846
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Speaker 1: try on Choyanka Kyle Trask. Draft that didn't work out

847
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Speaker 1: for them, but the one right before that is Tristan Wurf's.

848
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Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield's very consistent, hitting singles, hitting some doubles, finding

849
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: some later guys like Jayalen McMillan, Bucky Irving, just a

850
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: really solid drafting team.

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00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 4: I did punish the Rams slightly. It's not their fault.

852
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't for not having these first round picks

853
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Speaker 1: because they have use them so well in the trades

854
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: that they've made. So maybe maybe that should they maybe

855
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: that should be counting. But I was thinking a little

856
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Speaker 1: more about draft classes. Maybe that was my own bias.

857
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think thinking in totality of team build, certainly

858
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: hard to knock them for all.

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00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: Right, so are you gonna take them?

860
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Speaker 2: I think ultimately I did ding some teams because of

861
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Speaker 2: the circumstance of being in a bad spot, put them

862
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: in the place where they could draft the quarterback. And

863
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Speaker 2: if not for being able to have Jared Goff as

864
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Speaker 2: the number one overall pick them, we never would have

865
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Speaker 2: got Matt Stafford on the Rams. And so like I

866
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Speaker 2: did kind of insert that into that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair, And like I don't give it's

868
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Speaker 1: like the Patriots. We're gonna do worst drafting teams of Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I thought about they. You know, in terms of the

870
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Speaker 1: teams I trust the least because in the Elliott Wolf

871
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Speaker 1: two years, it hasn't been great we'll get to them

872
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: because I'm not giving much credit for Drake May. I

873
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: think thirty two teams out of thirty two, like any

874
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: of us could have would have should have taken Drake

875
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: May there in your team the year before, which they

876
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Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with. But I'm not gonna

877
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: give them that much credit. All Right, you're up. You're

878
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: up with pick four. We're gonna go through three times,

879
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: but we're it's speed it up now.

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00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, And again I.

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Speaker 3: Might surprise you here, Greg, Oh no, because and I

882
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: do think the Rams should be in this groups are fight,

883
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: it would be egregious and that there's only that talk

884
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: because I know that's what everyone expects me to pick.

885
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: But here, like I'm picking the Detroit Lions here, and

886
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: and part of that is because I give them personally,

887
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: this is subjective a significant bump for the level and

888
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: scale of rebuild that they had to do, and specifically

889
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: doing that through the draft after making that trade that

890
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 3: helped bring them in extra picks in the Matthew Stafford

891
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: trade that brought them an extra pick so that they

892
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: could undergo that rebuild. Brad Holmes can be a little

893
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: bit of a wild card with his value. He comes

894
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: from a background of being an NFS scout, which means

895
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: that he has a very strict standard of how he

896
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: evaluates positions and so sometimes it doesn't necessarily look the

897
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: same as what we see on the draft boards and so,

898
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: but they've pick in volume, especially in the top fifty.

899
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: They have thirty team top fifty picks over the last

900
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: six seasons. And when they did start rebuilding this with

901
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: the first three classes, they had Pinay Seal, Ali McNeil,

902
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: Emmen Ross Saint Brown, Aiden Hutchinson, Kirby Joseph Jamior Gibbs,

903
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: Brian Branch and Sam Laporta, among others. That really helped

904
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: reset a core foundation of what this franchise was going

905
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: to be. The significance of that rebuild and turning this

906
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: franchise into an incredibly high floor, high ceiling organization at

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: this point, to me, is a direct credit to how

908
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: they've drafted and developed these players.

909
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: And so I put them as my number four team.

910
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought about them hard at number three because, yeah,

911
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: the last two years haven't been as productive for them,

912
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: but I'm looking at the total big picture. They have

913
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: had a lot of dip on their chip though with

914
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: trading some future high picks for like Manu Taslaw was

915
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of like a lot, like they've taken some swings,

916
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: but ultimately I trust in the process.

917
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 4: But it is crazy.

918
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: One thing I learned from this exercise looking around and

919
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: just like almost every fan basis happy unhappy with how

920
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: their gam gms have drafted, even the best teams. In

921
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: the best drafting teams. The Lions I'm thinking about specifically,

922
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: are like not happy with Brad Holmes right now. It's like,

923
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: calm down, Let's calm down.

924
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, only one team gets the Hoist Trophy, right you

925
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: get to watch Jamiir Gibbs.

926
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Box Fans like are really unhappy with Jason light It's like,

927
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: calm down, all right, number five, you're up.

928
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna take the Green Bay Packers in this

929
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: situation where I understand that last year's draft there was

930
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: a significant fallof over like the the Van Nass Musk, Grave,

931
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Tucker Craft, Jayden Reid, like that type of talent they

932
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: were bringing into Green Bay, but continued success and the

933
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: collaborative capacity of which we know that I am a

934
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: fan of a community owned football team and so yeah,

935
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: let's let's do that.

936
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: I like that, and I thought it was interesting to them.

937
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: They are the team that has added the most value

938
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: just specifically not over expected, of any team in the

939
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: entire league because they've had I think, I think it

940
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: was the fifth or sixth like value of the picks

941
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: that they've had. They've made a lot of picks. They

942
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: value those picks, they don't give them away. It was

943
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: actually the Packers and the Seahawks are the too highest

944
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: and just in terms of total draft value they've gotten

945
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: out of their guys they've been They've gotten very good

946
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: at drafting, like receivers, specifically Watson and Dobbs being in

947
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: the second and fourth rounds, Musgrave and Craft I think

948
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: of Craft as a as a receiver ultimately in the

949
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: second and third round, getting Edgrian Cooper in the second round,

950
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: Evan Williams in the fourth round. They haven't been as

951
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: good at the very top as.

952
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: Some of the other teams, but they're not They're not picking.

953
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Biby even mean their first round picks like

954
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, van Ness, Golden is even Kay Walker is

955
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: not a great four year stretch Eric Stokes. So Jordan

956
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Love took some doing. But the fact that they've been

957
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: maybe the best team in the middle of the rounds

958
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: makes them a good pick here. I will take the

959
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: Rams here, let's just do it.

960
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: I won't.

961
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: I won't make Jordan do it. We've kind of already mentioned.

962
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean their creativity, the fact that Jared Verse is

963
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: their only first round pick in this entire era, unless

964
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: you're counting like the less need era with Jeff Fisher,

965
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: which would also include Jared Goff way back in the day.

966
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: To get as many hits as they've had with vers Fisk.

967
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: You could even say like Quorum, Steve Avola, Byron Young,

968
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: Kobe Turner, just hitting in the middle rounds, Kobe Durant,

969
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams. That's where I think you can say that

970
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: my whole thing I just said about the consensus board

971
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and like the average person with instead of spending millions

972
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: and millions and millions of dollars on entire scouting department,

973
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: you could spend nothing and maybe get a creditable team.

974
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: What the Rams have done, and obviously it shows what

975
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: other teams do too, of really picking the right players

976
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: for their system that fits.

977
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 4: What they do is why you know you get paid.

978
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: It's another team that understands how to build a complimentary picture.

979
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: I had knocked the Giants earlier this year about I

980
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: think they draft well in terms of traits and finding

981
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: above average to elite players in certain spots, but they

982
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: don't all seem to fit all together all the time,

983
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: and so they draft with complimentary traits. They do this

984
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: very methodically. They redesigned it over the years, especially when

985
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: they had to thrive off of those really insanely valuable

986
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four classes. I did

987
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: some napkin math coming in this morning. Eighteen of that

988
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: thirty draft pick in three years. Sort of situation was

989
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: were starters or key contributors during the twenty twenty five season,

990
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: So a sixty percent hit rate in an area where

991
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: thirty to forty is considered insane success.

992
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 5: Their last year's class was not.

993
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 3: As good, but they also were sort of a full roster,

994
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: so they were drafting more for depth conat Mumfield and

995
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: Josiah Stewart, where I think the gems of that class.

996
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: DJ would probably agree with me on Josiah Stewart, but

997
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 3: I got to see him do it do it again.

998
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: They're now in their their model has shifted. I think

999
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: team building models are a big part of this too.

1000
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: Their model has now shifted once again to all in

1001
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: picks for players after rebuilding through the draft in such

1002
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: rapid fashion.

1003
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 5: So I'm very interested to see how that changes the

1004
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 5: way that they draft.

1005
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on my Terrence Ferguson stock takes

1006
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: tight ends a little time. I mean, any guy that

1007
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: moves like that, he's gonna be okay, all right, your

1008
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: last pick of the best drafting teams, I've got some

1009
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: high picks. We're going to do nine picks. Yeah, the

1010
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: teams that we trust the best, so the most. So

1011
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: you're up here with pick numbers.

1012
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: So this is really tough for me to decide because

1013
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot of really great candidates here. I actually

1014
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: am going to go with the Kansas City Chiefs here I.

1015
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: Would have been my pick.

1016
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 5: Oh nice, guys, thanks.

1017
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 4: I had the chief very high in the time.

1018
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 3: I'm like flinching ahead of time. So they're consistently picking

1019
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: near the end of the first round. In their dynasty years.

1020
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: They've had six top fifty picks in the last six drafts.

1021
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: I love that they have nine and twenty nine this year,

1022
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: and they pick at forty, So that's three top fifty

1023
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: picks all in one swing. And they're consistent. They really

1024
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: are consistent. They understand their quarterback, they understand where I

1025
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: would like to see them invest a little bit more

1026
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: in different types of receivers. But at the same time,

1027
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: you can't argue with a lot of the moves that

1028
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: they've made on offensive line on defense, they really find

1029
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: guys that match their coaches very well. And again, like

1030
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: I have a broken record, but I really like teams

1031
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: that can draft and with complimentary traits, and they certainly

1032
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: do that.

1033
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: They have some blind spots. Surprisingly for a team that

1034
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: has Andy Reid as the coach and Patrick Mahomes as

1035
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Mkole Hardman in the second round, Sky Moore

1036
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: in the second round, Rashid Rice in the second round,

1037
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: and Xavier Worthy at the back end of the first round.

1038
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: Is not a great overall group. I would say Rice

1039
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: on the field has lived up to that and more.

1040
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: But the risk that every team knew about Rashid Rice

1041
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: coming into it as kind of born out.

1042
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: We'll see about Worthy. I haven't given up on him,

1043
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: but so far a little underwhelming.

1044
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: So they haven't been great there, But man they find

1045
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: good value in including Josh Simmons last year. Right, let's

1046
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: go with your number eight overall pick here, Patrick, your

1047
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: last team, My.

1048
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: Number eight overall pick would be the Denver Broncos. The

1049
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos in this particular spot collectively over the court.

1050
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: I know the in terms of finding a quarterback, that's

1051
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: the big thing. And I valued highly the fact that

1052
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs when they did get Patrick Mahomes, because this

1053
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: is you know that same It's not a oh well,

1054
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: this is the guy here at once. So we take

1055
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: the guy and being able to find bon Nix in

1056
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: that spot and pair him up with Sean Payton, they

1057
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: continued success after their tan draft to kind of add

1058
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: in that secondary.

1059
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: I like the Broncos, and well, I wasn't sure, and

1060
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 4: I think you are right to do it.

1061
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: How deep to give George Payton credit because you remember

1062
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Sean Payton inherited George Peyton, who you know was part

1063
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: of the whole Russell Wilson fiasco, but he also.

1064
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 5: Fixed it in a season. Yes, uh, part by how

1065
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 5: he drafted.

1066
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Did he draft Patrick Surtan? I'm trying to think when

1067
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: was he hired? It was it was, yes, that was

1068
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: his first draft was Patrick Surtan. So that was a

1069
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: great draft. You got two all pros. You got Patrick

1070
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: Sirtan in the first round and Quinn Minors in round three.

1071
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, a very excellent, excellent seventh

1072
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: round pick, one of the best seventh round picks of

1073
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: the decade, Jonathan Cooper. Even Baron Brownie in the in

1074
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: the third round. So George Bayton came out swinging and

1075
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: has stayed solid. Was not on my long list, which

1076
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: makes my last pick.

1077
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 5: The Broncos weren't on your list?

1078
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: No way, Well, I just thought, you know, they haven't

1079
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: had high picks and the last few years. Yeah, it's

1080
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: kind of they would have been in my middle of

1081
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: the pack. I see what you did there, kind of

1082
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: bias ster pot ster pot Well, since i'm last, I

1083
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: can mention who was the honorable mentioned types are? I

1084
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: think I think the well, I'm gonna get to my

1085
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: overall I'm gonna get.

1086
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 4: You know the day.

1087
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: Darren Moosey's kind of one for one. They were pretty

1088
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: good last year. Actually, the Jets, I'm not gonna give

1089
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: it to. Yeah, I'm not trusting. I wanted to make

1090
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: a case for Brandon Mean because there's actually multiple like

1091
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: advanced metric ones. The approximate value on is very kind

1092
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: to the Bills. There's other ones which are similar. They

1093
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: have found contributors pretty significantly. But then I looked at

1094
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the number. You know, the last three or four drafts

1095
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: have been just not good. So but I think they

1096
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: were given him credit for for previous years, so maybe

1097
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: he can get it, get his mojo back. Ryan Poles

1098
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson has been quite a combination so far,

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00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: one for one, but Poles in general, like he started

1100
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: with that brisker Kyler Gordon draft. He other than the

1101
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Clase uh, the Chase Claypool trade, I think overall he's

1102
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: been quite a good drafter. Darnold Wright was a good pick.

1103
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: In general, they've been good. But I am going to

1104
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: settle on Nick Cassario, the misunderstood Houston Texan head. And look,

1105
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give an assist here to Demiko Ryans because

1106
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: most of these picks are on defense. But if you're

1107
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: rebuilding a team without a lot of high draft picks,

1108
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: he inherited a tough situation.

1109
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 4: And I was thinking, why did they not have picks

1110
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: back then?

1111
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: It was because of the Laramie Tunzel and Kenny Stills

1112
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: trades that Bill O'Brien made back in the day, so

1113
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: he inherited a team that did not have a lot

1114
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: of high picks, and yet in his very first draft

1115
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: he finds their long term backup in Davis Mills in

1116
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: the third round, which I think was a good pick,

1117
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: and then Nico Collins in the third round, which is

1118
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: one of the best third round picks of the decade.

1119
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: And then after that you get Stingley and Jalen Petrie.

1120
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Speaker 1: In the next draft, you also have a huge swing

1121
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: and miss at fifteen overall in Kenyan Green.

1122
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: You get c J.

1123
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: Stroud and Will Anderson. In that bold move up, you

1124
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: also get to Toe and Tank Dell in that draft.

1125
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: You don't have a first round pick the next year,

1126
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: but you still get Kamari Lassiter Cayden Bullock like that

1127
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: is awesome. And then last year, I'm pretty high on

1128
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: the Jaden Higgins, arante Ersri Wood he marks overall and

1129
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: some of the other guys. So overall, it's the combination

1130
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: of Ryan's coaching, but he's found the right guys for

1131
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: his system. I think he's been pretty solid. You can't

1132
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: really find a bad draft that Nick Cassio's had Texans

1133
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: were in.

1134
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 5: My top five. Yeah, it's really high, high ceiling, high

1135
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: flood draft.

1136
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: Thought that would be more controversial.

1137
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: Good they should Ladmiko House stay on the offensive side.

1138
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: I mean maybe he does. He probably doesn't know. He

1139
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: probably does.

1140
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: They would be third in the total value that they've

1141
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: had it, but they've also had really high picks, so

1142
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: in terms of adjusting it for where they're at, they

1143
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: didn't rank quite a sigh, but good job Nick Cassio.

1144
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: It's another GM. I think the fans aren't that happy with.

1145
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. It's going to be a super

1146
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: sized show going into the weekend, and let's come back

1147
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: with Jordan's favorite part of a busy week, her drafting first.

1148
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 4: Teams that she trusts the least. Back on NFL Daily

1149
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 4: Tight Shows all week until today. What do you mean,

1150
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 4: I'm loving it.

1151
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 5: I I'm just hanging out with you guys. It's nice.

1152
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: That's that's it.

1153
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 5: It's nice.

1154
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: That's the podcast.

1155
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 5: And hr con I did I get hr.

1156
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: Get them soon?

1157
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: In a surprise move, without her even knowing there actually

1158
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: has been a change in the draft order, I have

1159
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: made a trade with Jordan Rod reed, and I'm gonna

1160
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: draft first. Overall, with that, you get the honor of

1161
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: getting to go to uh the NFL annual league meetings

1162
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: as paid for by the athletic But we won't get

1163
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: into specifics. You're gonna have the second pick, and I'm

1164
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: gonna take the Browns as the team.

1165
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: Okay, I just didn't want to give you the out.

1166
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: I was more curious, who would you go with if

1167
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 4: it wasn't the Browns. What have you taken the Browns?

1168
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 5: I guess you'll never know. Greg.

1169
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: This feels like a really unfortunate show.

1170
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 5: You may be able to control the structure, Greg, but

1171
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 5: you can't control what's.

1172
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: Inside my mind. No, that's true.

1173
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, you could look at last year as a

1174
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: great process year for Andrew Berry. You get the defensive

1175
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: rookie of the year, you get Harold Fannon. This draft

1176
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: saved his job. I really believe that Quinchhn Junkins obviously

1177
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: looked fantastic while he was out there, and that was

1178
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: about trading back.

1179
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 4: It was like all the principles you want to see.

1180
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: But I guess, I guess maybe I'm being overly punitive

1181
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: for the Watson trade, kind of including that, but also

1182
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: not finding a lot of wins outside the first round

1183
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: like some of the teams that have not had their

1184
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: first round.

1185
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Picks and everything that you felt great about. You had

1186
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: a guy that's going to the Hall of Fame. So

1187
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: with the sack record, you had the defensive rookie of

1188
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: the year. And then it ultimately transpires where defensive coordinator

1189
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: gets mad at something and ultimately leaves like the structure

1190
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: of which you look in the draft room during the

1191
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: draft and there's Kevin Stefanski, there's Andrew Berry, and Jimmy

1192
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: Haslim is seventeen inches away from the literally looking over

1193
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: their shoulders, where like you're asking me what I trust.

1194
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't trust that.

1195
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that was where I came to because even though

1196
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I would find the non draft moves probably more regrettable,

1197
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm so into the message that you send with your

1198
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: first ever draft pick in your first draft. It's why

1199
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: we probably always knew QUESI was not long for that job.

1200
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: One of the worst first drafts anyone's ever had. Unfortunately

1201
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: for him, traded back and ended up with two bus

1202
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry's first pick, Jeddrick Wills at ten. Overall, just

1203
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: didn't work out for him, and then after that like

1204
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: Greg Newsom's then his first pick, Emerson's been okay, Cedric Tillman,

1205
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: these are third round picks, Michael Hall, who has some

1206
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: off field issues.

1207
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 5: Just yeah, I don't trust their process. Yeah, that's really

1208
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: as simple as that.

1209
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: For me.

1210
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: It's inclusive to the ownership stuff and how involved he's

1211
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: getting in the eleventh hour. Like, I just don't trust

1212
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: their process. I know, we hear all the time, and

1213
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: I have no reason to believe this is true. That

1214
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: they've got some really interesting things that they're doing analytically speaking,

1215
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: and studies that they're running whatever, But where is that

1216
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: showing up in the actual process.

1217
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: I'd like to know, and I don't see it. So

1218
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: that's it. I just don't. I just don't trust it.

1219
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1220
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: It's really funny they have drafted one prob. I know

1221
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: they've drafted too because Jeremiah usu Cormoa made a Pro Bowl,

1222
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: but their second Pro bowler was actually drafted in the

1223
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five draft Pro Bowler shoulder standards. All right,

1224
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: you are up with your second overall pick here, we're

1225
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: only going to do six teams here in the worst

1226
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: drafting team.

1227
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: Yes, the show is it's a Meati show. A lot

1228
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: of this was based on the unknown, so I think

1229
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: it's easy in hindsight and fair in a lot of

1230
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: ways to criticize Quasia dof FOMNZA for the bad drafts.

1231
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: They were the worst team in approximate value of expectation

1232
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: for draft picks since twenty twenty two, at the very

1233
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: bottom the Minnesota Vikings. I'm not going to hold a

1234
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: person who is no longer there accountable for future drafts, obviously,

1235
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: but for me, a lot of this, like I mentioned

1236
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: at the top of the show, a lot of this

1237
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: has to do with continuity as well. There are still

1238
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: a lot of people in that building who preceded his

1239
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 3: regime who are still there. So it's also like a

1240
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: lot of the same people who are also contributing to

1241
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: making these decisions are still there through the draft, and

1242
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: they don't have any official actual GM so I've got

1243
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: to put them in second to least trustworthy for me,

1244
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: and certainly actually would have been my first pick because

1245
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: I did like the Browns draft last year, so this

1246
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: or for me, I would have put the Vikings number one,

1247
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: and in large part because I don't even know what

1248
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: direction they're going to be taking at the GM position.

1249
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Rob Brazinski has been with the team since nineteen ninety nine,

1250
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: twenty seven seasons and was as high as VP of

1251
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: Football Administration all the way back in two thousand and

1252
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: one EVP.

1253
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: Also Ryan Grigson has been there too, So these guys proceeded,

1254
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: then we're there, and then now are still there. So

1255
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: it's like these are It's not just one person in

1256
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: a vacuum making these discisions.

1257
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is all that is like

1258
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: the Dennis Green era vikings when he arrives. So yeah,

1259
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: it's confusing. The coaching staff will probably have a bigger

1260
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: say this year, what do you got Patrick number three?

1261
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: For my number three team? I am going to go.

1262
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: I took my other number three team off the board

1263
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: because I've developed a relationship, in a kinship with the

1264
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: fans of the Arizona Cardinals, so I you know, I stand.

1265
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 4: In support trying to be nicer to the Cardinals with you.

1266
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: I've still got it. I've still got a thing the

1267
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders. I think you get to this place

1268
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: where it's pretty much consensus in those awful destroying the

1269
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: planet market betting circumstances where like it's pretty obvious that

1270
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza is going to be the number one overall pick,

1271
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Like you kind of get into that situation that God

1272
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: was a national championship in a Heisman Trophy, we expect

1273
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: to do great. I love what they've done thus far

1274
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: in free agency, but I can't like look away from

1275
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: what actually happened last year and how weird and nonsensical

1276
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: it was. This was foresight, not han site, and then

1277
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 2: everything that transpired since then. I'll love to astro GenZ,

1278
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: who I think is a great player, can be a

1279
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: great player. You gotta have a football team, and I'm

1280
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: gonnaed to see it before I feel good about it.

1281
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called trust and I think that's fair because

1282
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: at this point they don't have a track record that

1283
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: you can believe in. And then if you're thinking about

1284
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: above the GM, if Tom Brady trustworthy like as a

1285
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: football operations, I mean, like if I speak, I mean

1286
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: he could be not even with that caveat, he couldn't

1287
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: get any people that go see some of the best

1288
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: football player in the world in Los Angeles for that

1289
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: flag football thing. And then Mark Davis, like the front

1290
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: offices under Mark Davis have not worked out. I'm going

1291
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: to go to another organization where ownership has been an

1292
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: issue over the years.

1293
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1294
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Back back in the around the NFL days, we would

1295
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of defend Duke Tobin because when he came along

1296
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: with the Bengals.

1297
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 4: It felt a little bit like a new day. He

1298
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: didn't get the.

1299
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: GM title, but he was on a heater pretty early

1300
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: on with Marvin Lewis, and they really did improve where

1301
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: they were at. But I'm going to be a victim

1302
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: of the last four years and it hasn't been good.

1303
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: And then you start to think about the lack of

1304
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: infrastructure and spending that you hear about in terms of

1305
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: their scouting department and how that is married up with

1306
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: what the coaches have wanted, and maybe him and Zach

1307
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: Taylor not really having the right vision because the fact

1308
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: that they're they love these young linebackers Demetrius Knight and

1309
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: Barrett Carter despite what they saw in the field last year,

1310
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: and then Shamar Stewart and Dylan Fairchild. That was a

1311
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Speaker 1: rough first year from that rookie class. And then you

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: think back of Marius Mims, was was a good first

1313
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: round pick, but the rest of that draft class has

1314
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: not really born much fruit. Jermaine Burton is in the mix,

1315
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy was their first pick that the year before

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01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: really hasn't contributed much. Got Charlie Chase Brown deep into

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: that draft, but not a draft where you know, DJ

1318
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: Turner might turn out okay. And then they've taken a

1319
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: lot of defensive backs Staxton Hill, Cam Taylor, britt They

1320
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: haven't all been missus, but they haven't been hits either,

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01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: And overall, it's pretty inconsistent to pour over the last

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Speaker 1: four years. And so knowing that, and I considered ownership,

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: and I considered just the Zach Taylor all of it,

1324
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: them being a little bit on the hot seat, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not trusting what's going on there right now.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair because when I think of the

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: word trust, can we trust their process? That's really a

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Speaker 3: lot of what the untrustworthy teams were to me and

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: year over year, and they've they've delegated, and there's a

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01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: couple of high ranking like an assistant gms. There's like

1331
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: a triumvirate of assistant gms there now that you know,

1332
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: have a good reputation around the league.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, Like, I just their process.

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: I don't buy it. It hasn't worked for him thus far,

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01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: and they're sort of still coasting off of the got

1336
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, gotcha mar Chase got Togg, a kind of

1337
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: situation that's lifted the floor of what this team looks like,

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01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: at least on paper for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: And that's the circumstantial aspect of the evaluation. Where this

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: group of kids in Baton Rouge has the best offensive

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: season in the history of college football, Are we even like,

1342
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: are we even considering not having them in the bottom Okay,

1343
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: if not for those two guys like knowing each other

1344
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: and playing well just you know.

1345
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: With each other, their process used to be too just

1346
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: draft like the biggest, most famous guy from a major school,

1347
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: like when they're up that was I was always.

1348
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 5: Like it worked for him, and in circumstances it works

1349
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 5: for a while.

1350
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes you land, I don't know if John, like, there

1351
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: are some clunkers who here that I'm including to Joanah Williams,

1352
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, Billy Price and John in a row

1353
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: that came before Burrow, And so I'm including Duke Tobin

1354
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: and the offensive line picks.

1355
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 4: All right, you're up with number five.

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Speaker 3: Number five, I'm going Washington Commanders here in terms of

1357
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 3: the lack of trust. So I'm just gonna so they hit.

1358
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: They nailed it on quarterback Jaden Daniels is sensational. Hopefully

1359
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: he bounces back from this injury and then a little

1360
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: bit of downplay before he had the injury, So hopefully

1361
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 3: this is a really positive strong season. But I'm just

1362
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: gonna read the last two draft classes from Adam Peters

1363
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: and company. Johnny Newton, who since the injury recovery has

1364
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: showed some some promise, Mike Sanders, Still, Bensonnott, Brandon Coleman,

1365
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 3: Luke McCaffrey, Jordan McGee, Dominique Campton, Javonte Jean Baptiste, Josh Connerly,

1366
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: Trey Amos, Jalen Lane, Cain Madrano, and Jacorey Crosskey Merritt,

1367
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 3: who we love Bill Merritt, but it's just not inspiring

1368
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 3: to me. Outside of the quarterback, it's just not inspiring

1369
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 3: to me. They haven't had a ton of draft picks

1370
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: to work with either this last class their first class

1371
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 3: they did, and when we talk about trust, I don't

1372
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: fully trust that they even know where they're at in

1373
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: their team build because if you're looking at where what

1374
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: they could have really decided was say, hey, this is

1375
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: mostly teardown minus the quarterback and a couple of guys along,

1376
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 3: you know in certain positions like this is mostly a teardown,

1377
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: But you also need a lot of draft picks to

1378
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: be able to do that. They haven't had those, and

1379
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: then they have not, in my opinion, maximized their draft

1380
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: process where they could.

1381
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: Well.

1382
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: I think they had a huge opportunity in the Jaden

1383
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: Draft and that's the draft. If they hit that you

1384
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: talk about for years to come as the draft, that

1385
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: changes everything because they had about as much draft capital

1386
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: in that draft is as almost any team has had

1387
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: in any draft. Three seconds and two thirds. You're hoping, yeah,

1388
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: to get the core of a team, and right now

1389
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Sandristill is definitely a contributor. Although yes, even though he

1390
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: was good as a rookie, he was not great last year,

1391
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: which kind of slipped under the radar, and then you're

1392
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: just have a lot of question marks. I think Trey Amos,

1393
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: their segrament pick last year, is going to work out,

1394
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, uh not great six top ye right, you

1395
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: need you need that, You need that to hit especially

1396
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft like the son of a guy

1397
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: you're super close to, it's not It actually didn't help

1398
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: him out because it's like, we know your buddies are dead.

1399
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1400
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 4: It just puts a little bit of a target on

1401
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 4: Luke's back. All right, uh wait, is this the last pick?

1402
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: This is my this is my last pick, and it's

1403
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: a chance for me to get weird and an off

1404
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: season the front office evaluation. I'm gonna put the Buffalo

1405
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: Bills in my bottle.

1406
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 4: I thought about him in my top ten.

1407
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 2: I know you did. And here I will make the

1408
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: case because it's a sense of trust. And yeah, there

1409
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: are some absolute hits. But in the last two years,

1410
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: in terms of win adjusted value, do you know who

1411
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: the most valuable player they've drafted is Keon Coleman. So, like,

1412
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: let's ask the Buffalo Bills how they feel about their

1413
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: ability to draft players by the way that they're absolutely

1414
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: submarining one of the players that they took. In this

1415
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: situation where you had the defensive minded head coach who

1416
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: was able to facilitate a certain type of player, a

1417
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: certain type of veteran that they could get for a

1418
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: low cost and allow them to invest even more resources

1419
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: in the draft that they never necessarily took advantage of.

1420
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: Where they're in a situation now where they have to

1421
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: trade for DJ Moore in the first place, less than

1422
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days after screaming at people

1423
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: on the radio about the insistence to need to acquire

1424
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. I would like to ask I would

1425
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: like to ask Sean McDermott how much he trusts the

1426
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: situation and how he was treated in the way things

1427
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: ended in Buffalo. So like, in terms of do I

1428
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: believe I think maybe the front office is flailing. I

1429
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: think maybe ownership is also flailing. When you've got a

1430
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: situation where we have one of the best quarterbacks that

1431
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: we have seen in my time watching football and not

1432
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: being able to take advantage of that is a failure.

1433
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: And yeah, the other team that I like very much

1434
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: would also be in this situation as well.

1435
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 4: Woo damn fire.

1436
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: Who says the worst team draft isn't going to be

1437
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of fun at the back end?

1438
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 4: Now, you're right, I think.

1439
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: Ultimately, literally nobody said that.

1440
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: Eric Eric thought the worst the so shut it. So, yeah,

1441
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: maybe maybe make it a little shorter. Eric said it, Uh,

1442
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: you're right, and you know what, it's a good reminder

1443
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: about the Kean Coleman of it all. Kean Coleman, it's

1444
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: easy to forget now, sixty seven catches, nine hundred and

1445
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: sixty yards eight touchdowns in his rookie season. That's not

1446
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: just like a solid rookie season, that's a great rookie season. Now,

1447
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that was a little misleading in terms of like,

1448
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: is that gonna be translatable skills year after year? But

1449
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: he also was, you know, a second round pick, top

1450
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: of the second round, and uh, maybe maybe the Keon

1451
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: comeback is back.

1452
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 5: I don't know, for them, for another team or what.

1453
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: Well, he just showed up to that state fair or

1454
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: whatever at the last second in our in our last episode,

1455
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: as written by Oscar winning screenwriter Eric Ravitz, what a

1456
01:08:59,479 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: fun week.

1457
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 5: I like this one. I didn't think I would, Greg, Oh, why.

1458
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you think you would? I knew that.

1459
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 5: I knew that. I'm just pushing your buttons.

1460
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: Patrick will be back with me on Monday. Let's hit

1461
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: that music and we are going to have a relatively

1462
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: early show because we're going to be reacting to those

1463
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: coaches breakfasts. Who ate what Yeah, who had food in

1464
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: their teeth, who answered the questions. Now, there's a lot

1465
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: of news that comes out of that. Looking forward to that,

1466
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: looking forward to talking to Jordan. That'll be on Tuesday.

1467
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: Enjoy your trip to Phoenix.

1468
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: We will see that