1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: It's another episode of Splash Shit and we are super 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: lucky today to have Baseball Royalty on the show. William 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Buck Showalter the third. He served as manager of 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: the Yankees, the Diamondbacks, the Rangers, the Orioles, the Mets, 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: four time Manager of the Year, former professional minor leaguer, 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: and an analyst for ESPN, YES Network, MLB Network and 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: my buddy, a guy I've got to know over the years, 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Buck show Walter joins the show. 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Buck. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, man, What have you been up to? 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so busy. Hey, I got to ask you. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: So you got my whole name? What does FP stand for? 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Frank Paul Santangelo? Frank Paul's the first name with the hyphen, 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: so my parents just kind of shortened it up FP 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: and it just stuck for over the years. And now 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: that's what I go by. 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: I should know that. You know. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: I had a pitching coach in mynor leagues, great qv Low, 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: and I said, what's the QV stand for? 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: He goes nothing. That was my name. 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Qv is brother was like JB. They all had initials 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: for name. It was unde label look him up. He 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: was the head coach at all over Montgomery. He's a 24 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: legend down there. QB low, but FP stands for something. 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: I like that. 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that that's up for debates. Thanks for coming 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: on today. I was reading about you like we've had 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: many talks when you were manager of the Orioles, sitting 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: in your office, and that's how I got to know 30 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: you so well. But I did not know that in 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the Cape Cod League. I won't say the year that 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: you won a batting title hitting four thirty four. I 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: think it was four Where I'm looking at Hyennas. You 34 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: played in Hyennas and then at Mississippi State you hit 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: like two ninety something and we're a fifth round draft pick, 36 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: so made it all the way to triple A? Is 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: that true? Is the Internet right on all these things? No? 38 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: As usual, my kids have told me I need to 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: really check the Wikipedia playoff, but I guess you can 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: change that. 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: I got better ways to spend my time. But no, 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: I think I hit two ninety as a career minor. 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: Lead, but I I think four point fifty nine at 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: State and you know, I gotta, I gotta. I got 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: a what do you call it? Telegram from Thurman Monthson. 46 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: It was the first year Hyanna's had a team in 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: a Cape League and he congratulated me on breaking his record, 48 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: and that was a keeper. 49 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: I still got it in my closet. That's that's that 50 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 3: was cool getting that from. 51 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Thurman, especially since you would go on and manage the 52 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Yankees one day. That that's really really cool. So you know, 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: this is a Giants podcast, we talk all Giants baseball. 54 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: Uh I want to pick your brain and I've picked 55 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: your brain a lot over the years about managers and 56 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: and Tony Vaitello being the manager. Have you been following 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: this story and it's not the traditional path to becoming 58 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: a big league manager, And I think you know when 59 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: you manage the Yankees, you didn't have any big league experience, 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: So so maybe talk about what you think his challenges 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: are going to be as a first time big league 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: manager coming from college. 63 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: You know, uh FP, I don't. 64 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: I never want to be the old gallan or front 65 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: porch freeman of the kids. And we all confuse change 66 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: with a life respect for tradition. And I know when 67 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: I first started out, I was thirty five, thirty six, 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 2: and the first thing I did was surround myself with 69 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Frank Howard Cleek Warrior, Willie Randolph, you know guys that 70 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: and I had great I had a great sponsor in 71 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: the clubhouse and Don Mattingly who had played with So 72 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: you know my path because guys are gonna you know, 73 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: the newness will wear off and there's no if you're 74 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: a phony, you get sniffed out in a heartbeat in 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: the locker room. You're around each other, as you well know, 76 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: seven days a week, seven or eight months, and sincerity plays. 77 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: And and I know Tony a little bit, not as 78 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: well as. 79 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: I'd like to, but uh, I'm pulling for him, and 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: I think he's got a good chance. I applauded Buster 81 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: for taking an unconventional route. You know, that's how things. 82 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: I just think sometimes we make way too much. I'm 83 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: big about your path. 84 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: I am. 85 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: When I look at a resume, I can reach some 86 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: of them for a couple of sentences, I go, oh, 87 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: that path, and you know there's been some examples of it. 88 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: But I think Tony's going. 89 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: To do well. I do it because I think you's 90 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: got to know what you're good at, what you're not. 91 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: Like every time there's a catching instructor around, I wanted 92 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: to stick my head in there. 93 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: Because I knew I wasn't good at it. 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: And you've got to have a certain amount of humbleness 95 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: and know what you're good at what you're not. I 96 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: think he does. I mean recruiting fifteen and sixteen year 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: old sophomores and junior is a lot harder. Trust me 98 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: that that's a hard gig and we have to respect 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: the challenges that every job brings. 100 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Was there any pushback initially with you because you didn't 101 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: play in the big leagues? 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, at the I got a one year 103 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: contract for one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in 104 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: managing your games, and at the press convererence, I said 105 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: I'm on a one year plan. I took it and ran, 106 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: you know, I was. You know, it gave me a 107 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: certain sense of fearlessness, because what do I have to lose? 108 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: Any know, I've been in big league camp a little bit. 109 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: I've been around. I had coached third base. I had 110 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: been the eye in the sky coach for the Yankees. 111 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: I'd been there, you know. 112 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: I was with the Yankees for nineteen years, so I 113 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: knew how it worked. 114 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: And the last thing the fans wanted to hear was 115 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: you complained about the ownership and how hard it was 116 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: and whatever, and that's part of the gig. You know, 117 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: nobody they just you know, the fans want them to 118 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: be able to trust you and trust your team. 119 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: You know you got foot. 120 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: I went to the Army Navy game Saturday. I loved 121 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: watching Navy play. And I'm up in Annapolis visiting my 122 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: son who lives up here, for his birthday. But I 123 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: can trust Navy. There were three penalties that be the 124 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: whole game. You have many guys laid on the ground 125 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: and had trainers come out to get them. One for 126 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: about five seconds and he pulled himself off the field. 127 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: The game, they run the ball, there's no pillings. The 128 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: game's over in two and a half hours. And it's 129 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: just if you want to feel great about America, go 130 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: to an Army Navy game one time in your life. 131 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Go great. 132 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 133 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I had a lot of questions to ask you, but 134 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: this is going a little bit different direction. The talks 135 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: that you and I always had in your office, You 136 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: would ask me about players, and you would always ask 137 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: me the same thing, Did he play football? Why were 138 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: you so concerned about whether a free agent played football 139 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: or not? Talking about a baseball player. 140 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily a football FP as much as it 141 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: was were there other things. Because these guys that are 142 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: travel only baseball only, these travel teams and all this stuff, 143 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: they're usually a red flag one from an entry standpoint. 144 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: Their body, the joints, the elbows, the knees, the shoulders. 145 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: You're getting this. I wish I could talk to the 146 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: parents about it. The well rounded guy that played other sports. 147 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: I remember I had a pitcher one time. I said, hey, 148 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: what positions you play when you didn't pitch? He said, oh, 149 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: I didn't. I was on the bench when I didn't pitch. 150 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: I want. 151 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: But you know, whether they're playing soccer or hockey or 152 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: golf or something's something that makes them do other things 153 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: with their body. And that's nothing to do with the 154 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: toughness of football necessarily. It's just when I saw I 155 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: was a big resume guy. When I would look at 156 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: a guy's path and see that he had played multiple sports, 157 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: it was it was usually something that worked in their 158 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: favor because. 159 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: It probably have a higher upside. Right If in like 160 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: football teachers, you toughness, maybe basketball or soccer foot speed, 161 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: and then you know, if you max out just at 162 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: baseball at age eighteen, you're ceiling for getting better. Probably 163 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: is that high. 164 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: I remember John Hart told me the thing that put 165 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: him over the hump on on C. C. Sabathiw As 166 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: he went to his basketball game in high school and 167 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: watched him play basketball, and he said, I'm taking this guy, 168 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: and that time was a very unconventional pick. 169 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: That was an unconventional pick, but I love it. 170 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: It's like taking Brandon Nemo out of a wounding high school. 171 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: You want to have guts go out there. 172 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: They played maybe ten twelve games a year and nobody 173 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: sees them, and all of a sudden, Brandon Nemo's your 174 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: first pick. That's why I love scouts. I love the 175 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: boots on the ground guys. And that's what Tony. You know, 176 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Tony has that boots on the ground mentality. There's a 177 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: lot of the He's young managers are being hired earbiy goes. 178 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: Who's that. 179 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: They all follow a similar path for the most part. 180 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: If you look at them, and that's okay, I mean 181 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: it's okay, I you know they but I think it's 182 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: got a lot to do with what the GMS are 183 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: looking for today. 184 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: They don't want really a. 185 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: Lot of pushback guys. They want guys that can follow 186 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: their program, which is part of it. But you know 187 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: you're not there as a collaboration to help evaluate the players. 188 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: They don't really won't care that much about what you 189 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: think about the players. 190 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, it hasn't the game evolved like for maybe when 191 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: you started with the Yankees. At least for me early on, 192 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: it was like what I could do for my manager, 193 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: And when I talk to people in the industry right now, 194 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: it's more about what the manager can do for the players. 195 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: How can I increase your value in the industry? What 196 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: can I do for you? And there's kind of been 197 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: an evolution. Maybe touch on how you change as the 198 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: manager from the Yankees all the way to the Mets 199 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: at the end, and your evolution and maybe what Tony's 200 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: going to go through in his evolution as a big 201 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: league manager. 202 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: Well, you're there. 203 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: I've always felt like you're serving the needs of the players. 204 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: You know, what can I do to make their path easier? 205 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: And you try to put yourself in their shoes. And 206 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: that's what helped me a lot with guys in the bullpen, 207 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: was talking to them. I used to walk the field 208 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: during battery practice, mostly with the bullpen guys, especially the 209 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: guys that were struggling. The guys that are playing every 210 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: day and pissing every fifth day, well they didn't need 211 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: a lot of love. But I think the guys that 212 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: were struggling and like FP, you were great. What if 213 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, you were a guy you could plug. I 214 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: always wanted to have you on the club if I could, 215 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: because you could play an outfit, you could place in 216 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: the nfield. You you know, the thing that GM's have 217 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: to do is plug into what if? And because playing 218 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: baseball seven days a week for so many months is 219 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: not normal. 220 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: For your body. 221 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: So what do you do if Lindor breaks his knee 222 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: his leg the first day at camp? 223 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: What are you going to do? 224 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: The season doesn't stop and they don't let you play 225 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 2: ketch up. But you know, guys like you the pieces. 226 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: You were a great piece and that's what all the 227 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: championship clubs had great pieces and the piece players had 228 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: to understand what they were. You know, some backup catches 229 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: util the info. It's the fourth outfielder and the fifth outfit. 230 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: There's a difference sound. There's this the longer leiever. Back 231 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: when they had longer leavers, and those guys that would 232 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: make or break you over the season is how you 233 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: plugged in. I mean, we played the playoffs one year 234 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: and I think three guys on the field weren't even 235 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: there at the start of the year because Nanny got hurt, 236 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: Chris Dads got hurt, and Matt Wiiers got hurt. 237 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: But we had to play catchup. 238 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Freeman O'tani and Bets Miguel Rojas helped 239 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: them win a world Series. 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Now Dusty Baker's back 271 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: in the organization with the giants, Bruce Bochi's there. They 272 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: just hired Ron Washington, who I could do a whole 273 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: show on. One of the best coaches I ever had. 274 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: Taught me things at the end of my career about 275 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: playing second base that I had no idea about that 276 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: made it so much easier. Can you have too many 277 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: chefs in the kitchen? Can you have too much where 278 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: you're new, and this guy's telling you one thing. This 279 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: guy's telling you like maybe too many hitting coaches or 280 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: is that just a valuable commodity for Tony vai Tel 281 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: to lean on maybe in his first year. 282 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: Well, yes it is. You can have too many. 283 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: But these guys know because they've managed how you know, 284 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm there if you need me. They're not going to 285 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: walk in every day, and neither ego stroke. These guys 286 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: know what the job entails. You know, but it can't 287 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: be like a charm bracelet. 288 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: You know. 289 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: I tell people, Ok, I got my Latin American guy. Well, 290 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: wait a minute, who's he actually signing? Wait a minute, 291 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: I've got a player from from Japan. Wait a minute, 292 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: is he any good? Hey, I've got I've got a 293 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: consultant guy from a veteran Was he any good? You 294 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: can't just have a charm pricer. They've got a server purpose. 295 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: And I think these guys, Bruce and those guys and Dustin, 296 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: they know the challenge as managers have. And basically, I'm 297 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: here for you if you want to kick something around. 298 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: But Tony, you know, Tony's going to be fine. I'm 299 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: pulling for him. 300 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: And I plaud the unconditionality of it, and I think 301 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: it opens up I think the top twenty college coaches 302 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: are probably making more money than the major league managers nowadays. 303 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: So you know, I got my car. 304 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: Tires kicked about in college, but I wasn't going to 305 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: go in and kiss some fifteen year old kids butt 306 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: and try to recruit him. I can tell you that 307 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: and not recruit my own players every year. 308 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: So whenever Tony says something at University of Tennessee to 309 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: a fifteen, sixteen year old, eighteen, nineteen year old, whatever 310 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: it is, it's gospel. He walks on water. And now 311 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and now as you know, you've done it, You've forgot 312 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: more baseball than I'll ever know. Now you're dealing with 313 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: grown men with families that are making thirty million dollars 314 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: a year. Like, what's the challenge between dealing with teenagers 315 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: and dealing with guys making forty million a year? 316 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: You know what, FP, I think, I think I have 317 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: to think about that. 318 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: But I'm I think you had to be careful about 319 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: coaching them because they would transfer if you coach them 320 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: too hard, they might go, wait a minute, I'm going 321 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: to go to Vanderbilt. You may be mad or I'm 322 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: not getting enough money. I think some of these guys 323 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: are making more money in college, and they might be 324 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: their first three years in the minor leagues. So I 325 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: think the script a lot has changed and the way 326 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,479 Speaker 2: we look at I look at some of these guys. 327 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: Are gonna come back for their fifth. 328 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: Year in college because they're gonna be making more money. 329 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: But Tony will be fine. 330 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I if he gets good players, he's going 331 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: to be real smart. 332 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: That's how it works. 333 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly did it go fast for you at first? 334 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Was it just? I mean, because I know I manage 335 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: a little bit in a ball for the Giants, and 336 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm coaching third base and I'm thinking about who's got 337 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: to come in in the bullpen and who I got 338 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: to get up. Meanwhile, I'm waving a guy from third 339 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and I'm too close and he's got to go around 340 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: me because I don't know where to stand, and he 341 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: gets thrown out by ten and feet at home. But 342 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: this isn't front of three hundred people in San Jose. 343 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: So is it gonna go fast for him? Do you 344 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: think a first? And because he's saying things right now, 345 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Buck like I'm overwhelmed, and he's saying it publicly. He's 346 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: super authentic and transparent right now. How do you think 347 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: it's going to go for him? Initially? 348 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: I think authenticity will play well too. 349 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: People are drawn to sincerity in a pure art, and 350 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: I think Tony has that. And you're trying to win. 351 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: You know, we know we see the scoreboard and see 352 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: the standings. Nobody's got his way in on how we're doing. 353 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: We got it. But I think he'll understand the challenges. 354 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: I know, when I first started managing the minor leagues, 355 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: I was able to coach for one year, and you know, 356 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: I got to go to winter ball. I went to 357 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: instructional league. I managed an instructional league. So when people 358 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: in the big leude said, wow, I bet you've never 359 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: seen that, I said, oh yeah, I saw that. I 360 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: saw a triple play and the ball never hit leather. 361 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: You know, I've seen all that stuff. So, but the 362 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: best part of your day, in Tony's day is when 363 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: the first pitch is thrown. Matt and Lee used to say, hey, 364 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: when they going to play that song, He's talking about 365 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: the nasal athan Because all the other peripheral stuff, you 366 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: get a little on compliment. But once you get in 367 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: that element of the game, it's like that first lick 368 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: that gets passed in football or the first time you 369 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: make a trip down the floor in basketball. He'll be 370 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: in his element and he'll be fine. It's still baseball. 371 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: You know, you got to go three hundred and sixty 372 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: feet to score a run and try to keep them 373 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: from scoring on. 374 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: We'd make this way too complicated at Pete. 375 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell me about it now. With all 376 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: the analytics, my brain would be swimming every day with 377 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: all the information. 378 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: Good point. 379 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: That's a good point because in our advanced meetings, we 380 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: used to put a clock and we would start it, 381 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: and they knew that twelve to fifteen minutes. When that 382 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: clock got down to zero, we were done, you know, 383 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: sitting there for half an hour trying to show them 384 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: how smart you are and have many different things you've done. 385 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: I was very careful about what was given to our players, 386 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, talking about the picture of their face and 387 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: talk about some things we need to be ready to 388 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: do and some things that they may try to do. 389 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: But if you throw too much at them and do 390 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff, you leave in the hitting 391 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: coach and who can remember all that stuff? And you 392 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: do see some guys at the plate, they just look confused. 393 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: The squirrels are running around and the hamsters are in 394 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: that cage and you can see that they are. They 395 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: ain't doing too good and mentally, and you got to 396 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: know your players who can handle it, who can't. 397 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you see a guy taking one to two 398 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: fastball right down the middle, you know he's over thinking. 399 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: I see that all the time. Now I'm like, oh man, Yeah, 400 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: the analytics said that he throws a slider eighty two 401 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: percent of the time in a one to two count, 402 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: And you just took a four seamer right down the middle, dude, 403 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: like they used to be a cardinal sinned. I mean, 404 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: you were on the fastball with two strikes. Were you 405 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: ever with a team buck? And you don't have to 406 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: mention it or you could, which would be cool. That 407 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: was way too analytically driven. It's like uncle on all 408 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: this stuff, Like, we just got to go out there 409 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: and play American Legion baseball and be athletes. 410 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: Now you know what. We were able to give them 411 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: the freedom. 412 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 2: We were able to say, Okay, this is something that 413 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: their ears need to hear, and this is something as 414 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: a coaching staff we need. And it's not about okay now, 415 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: it's everybody's chasing a title the director or left handed 416 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: sliders in. 417 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: The dirt, you know what I'm saying. 418 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: It's like everybody's tripping over each other to get another 419 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: title to get and it's just, hey, can we win 420 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: a game? And you know, people tell you I'm extremely 421 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: open all that stuff. This is nothing really new. We 422 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: were doing it back in the early nineties. We just 423 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: didn't have all the different numbers and all the data 424 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: that we had piled up through the years. 425 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: You know, we think this guy's going to hit the 426 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 3: ball here, so we played a guy there. But you 427 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: know they all knew they would say, hey, yeah, both 428 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: would love to hear that. 429 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: But he's going to ask you one question, how does 430 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: this help us win a game tonight and down the road. 431 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: And if you can't answer that question, if it looks 432 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: like you're just self promoting, coming up with some stick 433 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: so that you can be the new guru, it's not 434 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: going to play very well because players don't want that. 435 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: They want that night. How does this help us be 436 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: a better player in one a game? That's what they want? 437 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, I used to sit in those hitters meetings 438 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: and they would say, Hey, we're going to get on 439 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: this guy's high fastball, and I couldn't hit a high fastball, 440 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and that was a team game plan. I always thought 441 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: if I ever got back into coaching buck that it 442 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: would it would benefit the players more if I had 443 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: a menu on their on their seat, on their locker 444 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: every day and they told me what they need on 445 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: today's game off of this picture. Because there's twenty six 446 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: guys in the clubhouse, however, many position players, and if 447 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: you have those those eyewash hitters meetings where we're you know, 448 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: fastball in slide, our away, whatever it is. I have 449 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: to have my own game plan. So if you, if you, 450 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: if you talk about tendencies from a pitcher, why not 451 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: have a guy that says this is what I need. 452 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I need velocity, I need percentage of strikes, I need 453 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: walk to strike out, ratio, I need whatever his his 454 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: go to pitches with two strikes. But you tailor the 455 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: menu for each hitter, and you just I mean, with 456 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: all the analytics today, you just lay the menu on 457 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: their locker seat. When they get there, they open it 458 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: up and they you tailor the game plan for each hitter. 459 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: Did you ever have that in any of your stops? 460 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: No, I like that that that's kind of what you 461 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: try to to. Okay, what do you need? You tell 462 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 2: the player, you know, what do you need, instead of going, hey, 463 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: here's what I think you need. Take this llud a minute. 464 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't work. Everybody's different, thank goodness. 465 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: You know. 466 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: Hey, Jeff McNeil was a great I mean, he led 467 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: the whole globe in hitting the year I was at 468 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: one of the years I was there, and he would 469 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: get down after hitting three line drives at somebody and 470 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: start and I would just get a golf magazine on 471 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: the way in and put it in his locker and 472 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: it would calm his brain down. Yeah, just things like that. 473 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: He he'd loved it. He'd walk by and hey, thanks 474 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: for the golf magazine. He's one of he's one of 475 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: the best. He's probably the best golfer in the biglies. 476 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: But you know, you just every guy's different, you know, 477 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: and understanding, and the only way you do that is 478 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: talk to him. You know. 479 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: You walk around. 480 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: I mean back when we used to have batting practice outside, 481 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: you know, and he used to walk around. I used 482 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: to love the throw batting practice. You know, that's how 483 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: you won. You got away from the media because you 484 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: could you could throw. But now it's a it's it's 485 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: the same game. FP. We try to make way too 486 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: much of this and that we over I gotta tell 487 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff comes on the screen. It's incredibly 488 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: boring to me. You know, I'm watching the other stuff. 489 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: I'm watching the little things that tell you off ball. 490 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm a big off ball guy. Everybody stays on the ball. 491 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm watching the left fielder when the ball is down 492 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: the right field corners, he's back in the third. I'm 493 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: watching the catcher. I mean remember catchers used to back 494 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: up throws the first plase. 495 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. And it's little things like that. 496 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Is the picture where he's supposed to be behind the 497 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: plate with a throw coming in. A lot of guys 498 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: don't even leave the mount anymore. Like who's holding their 499 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: feet to the fire and when Tony That's gonna be 500 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: some of Tony's challenge. But guys question things. I get 501 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: to tell you stuff I don't. I don't look at things. 502 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't have it done. Like I haven't been a 503 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: college coach, so I can't critique what he does, but 504 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: I can tell some of the challenges he may have there. 505 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: But trying to keep your players happy in college so 506 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: they won't transfer, and everybody's trying to pick them and 507 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: pluck them from you. That's what Nick Savan got out. 508 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: He got tired of recruiting his own players every year. 509 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my best friends was the head coach 510 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: at University of Miami for a while and he just 511 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: retired because of the NIL. And you can't you can't 512 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: get mad at a player he's going to transfer. They 513 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: don't have then, Like college sports is a mess right now. 514 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: Another reason why I love Navy. You don't they're gonna 515 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: play in a bowl game. I don't think any of 516 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: their players are going to enter the portal, you know, 517 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: and you know what they were getting paid long before 518 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: the NIL. You know, they get a salary, the Navy players, 519 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: so they were ahead of everything. And it's just, you know, 520 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: you're looking for things you can trust. I know here 521 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: in Baltimore, we just you know, I told guys, listen, 522 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: we're out in Seattle. Somebody back in Baltimore staying up 523 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: till one o'clock in the morning. Sea On how you 524 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: guys are doing. They're going to be late to work 525 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: or they're going to be tired, but it means something 526 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: to them. Only thing I want us to be about 527 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: is our fans should be able to trust effort and 528 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: focus and whatever, whether we win or lose. But they 529 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: should turn on the team and go, you know what, 530 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: We're going to get this from these guys every day, 531 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: and you've got to pick the right people that can 532 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: bring that. Every situation, whether it's New York or Texas 533 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 2: or Baltimore, requires a little different mode of operation. And 534 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: that's why I used to say, what do you need 535 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: me to bring here? What's what's been missing? It might 536 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: be as simple as get better players, but in Baltimore 537 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: we had to figure out a way to catch. The 538 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: Yankees and the Red Sox in Toronto all had double payrolls. 539 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: So what can we do that We could out relationship them. 540 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: We could out six year free agent, we could out 541 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: minor league them, we could out scout them, we could 542 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: out there were things that we if we were willing 543 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: to do, we could make up the difference. But we 544 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: created our own depth, you know, And that's that's what 545 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: you can do. If there's an excuse around every corner 546 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: if you're willing to take it. 547 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: Man, that's great stuff. That brings me to my next 548 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: question about you know, the Giants have a pretty decent 549 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: budget and they have money, but you know, you talk 550 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: about the Dodgers now and the endless payroll they have. 551 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: Can excuse me, can a team like the Giants compete 552 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers with all the resources they You know, 553 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: one of. 554 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: The keys that is your best players have to play 555 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: the game right. When I first got to Baltimore, friends 556 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: beause I told Adam, And when I'm got New York 557 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: with Linda Wore and those guys are listening, You've guys 558 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: got to play the game right. Otherwise I'm wasting my 559 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: time and I'm gonna go home. You know, I used 560 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: to tell Adam, Adam, you got to go down the line. 561 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: You got to do this. You got you can't be 562 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: just talking about it. You got to show them. And 563 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: I think that's that's important that your best players play 564 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: the game right if you're trying to establish something, otherwise 565 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: you're spending your wheels. I was thinking the other day 566 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: someone called me about Edwin Diaz signing with the Dodgers 567 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: and actually it may tip if the Dodgers are sitting 568 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: there again as the champion. I think it's gonna tip 569 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 2: the scales a little bit about the lockout that's looming. 570 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: I do because I think a lot of people, whether 571 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: it be fans, owners or whatever, are gonna look around 572 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: and go, wait a minute, we can't have this every year. 573 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: Or the team that just has the most money and 574 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: they make good decisions, but they're fifteen or sixteen pictures 575 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: deep heat. They were getting their pitching staff ready a 576 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: month before the World's the playoffs started, you know, they 577 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: were getting them all healthy and getting them lined up, 578 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: and it's uh. And they've got a good manage that 579 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: plays a good hand well, and that's hard to do playing. 580 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: You know, Joe Tory was. 581 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: Great at playing a good hand well and finding of 582 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: these guys that the Dodgers winning. And in some ways 583 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: it might be good for baseball because it might be 584 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: the final straw that says we got a level of 585 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: play and field somehow. You know, everybody's got to have 586 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: a shot at the best player coming out in Japan, 587 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: which this face. 588 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: If they don't, they don't, So yeah, there has to 589 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: be a better balance here. So do you think there's 590 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: going to be a lockout? What's your opinion on that. 591 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: We'll wind it up here. We gotta let you go. 592 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: But what do you think you were involved in? 593 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: Anybody was in the strike of ninety four and the 594 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: sitting out ninety five and all the things that went on. 595 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: They just talk to them. That was awful. 596 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: That was a low point of my career, being in 597 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: replacement camp. It was awful. And I still remember, like yesterday, 598 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 2: we were in Colorado opening up courts, still with replacing players. 599 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: When we got the word up the runway that the 600 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: strike had been settled. We were heading back to spring training. 601 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 2: We were tearing our uniform off, running up the runway, 602 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: yelling like little kids. And but I would chant, I 603 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: would challenge you to talk to people that went through that. 604 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 3: It was awful. 605 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: And with the thing everything that's pulling on the people's 606 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: entertainment dollar nowadays, be careful, be careful about shutting down 607 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: the game again. But but boy, there's a there's another 608 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: part of me that we have got to level the 609 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 2: playing field. Every one of these teams have to have 610 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: the same opportunity going into it. And I'm not talking 611 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: about I'm more worried about the I would be more 612 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: concerned about the floor instead of the ceiling. I think 613 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: if you established a floor, it would it would help matters. 614 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: But what do I know. It's smarter people than me 615 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: are now. 616 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: I hope they figure it out because it's not good 617 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: because this one could take a walk. 618 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: But buck along those lines in I was a minor 619 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: leaguer six years in the minors, and I was in 620 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Triple A and the strike happened, and Kevin Malone was 621 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: our GM with the Expos and he got all two 622 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty minor leaguers up at home plate and 623 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to make it easy on you guys. 624 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: You're all going over there to play in the replacement games. 625 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: If if the big leaguers give you problems, you can 626 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: blame me. And if anybody has a problem with that, 627 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: you can leave right now. I was the only one 628 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: out of two hundred and fifty people to put my 629 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: bag over my shoulder and walked from field four to 630 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: the clubhouse and said, I don't want to be any 631 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: part of this. And I went home. And Felipe Alou 632 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: was a big league manager just happened to be in 633 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: minor league camp that day, and he used to call 634 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: me Frankie. He said, Frankie, I've always had respect for you, 635 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: but what you did today, I have so much more 636 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: respect for you. He goes, you're going to be a 637 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: big leaguer this year. I'm going to call you up, 638 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: and he did. He was a man of his word. 639 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: August second that year, he called me up. And I 640 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: spent seven years in the big leagues, and I think 641 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: a big reason why is because I didn't want to 642 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: be any part of that. Me getting a hit off 643 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: a truck driver wasn't going to show Felipe Alu that 644 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: I was a major leaguer, and they tried to sell 645 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: us on that and buck. I wanted my first time 646 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: in the big leagues ever to be a memorable experience 647 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: where I walked in that clubhouse and I saw all 648 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: my friends and they were like, you're a scab. So 649 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: that was an easy decision for me. But like at 650 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: that time, a career minor leaguer like I walked. I 651 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: went home for a month and then they called me 652 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: back and I went back to Triple A. But yeah, 653 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: to your point, that was that was the worst time 654 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: of my career. Too. 655 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: You know, I had a similar thing with Shane Spencer 656 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: in the World Series Hero. He was too good. We 657 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: were in this camp and it was awful. I mean 658 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 2: truck drivers, outlaws and Gene Michael and I the great GM. 659 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: You know, we were sitting there talking and said, you know, 660 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: Shane should not be here. He's going to play in 661 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: the Big League. He should not be here. Well, we 662 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: called him in and talked him into gleaning. Oh my god, 663 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: did mister Steinmaner go crazy on us? And we had 664 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: a couple other players without name and names that we 665 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: got out of camp too because they were too good. 666 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: At me, you know, we would have told you you 667 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: need to go. And I know we played the Dodgers 668 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: replacement team and they were like their whole Triple A 669 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: team and we had gone down to I don't even 670 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: want to tell you where we got our players from 671 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: because Steinmener told us it wasn't gonna happen, don't worry 672 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: about it. And then two days before the season gonna start, 673 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: he was talking about how bad our team was. Wait 674 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: a minute, you told us not to go get anybody. 675 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: So we had three scouts go down to Mexico and 676 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: signed six players out of the Mexican League, but it 677 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: was awful. Please do not have a lockout or strike. 678 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: You'll regret it. But we do have to get the 679 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: salary structure right. 680 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: So how are you going to do it? How are 681 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: you going to do it? I'm open suggestions. 682 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see two Buck. I can't thank 683 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: you enough for coming on. Man, you're taking time out 684 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: of your day. You're one of my all time favorites. 685 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: You said earlier, I would have loved to play for 686 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: you one day. I wish, I wish I had. That's 687 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: one of my biggest regrets. But I'm super thankful that 688 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: I've got to know you over the years. 689 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: And FP, where were you in ninety four? 690 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: I was in Triple A Ottawa. 691 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: Who would have won the World Series ninety four? The 692 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: Yankees or the expos. 693 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, because you're on my show right now, Buck, 694 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: the Yankees would have killed the Expos. 695 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: I don't think I'll tell you what. How about that 696 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: team Larry Walker? 697 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: Wow? 698 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: What a team that was, Pete. Thanks for having me. 699 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: God bless you all. 700 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: Right, Buck, take care, happy holidays. 701 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: Thank you YouTube, bye. 702 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: All right, got to take care of some business right now. 703 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: We got two thousand subscribers, so we need three thousand. 704 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: So go on YouTube, click on It's really easy. We're 705 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: at splash Hit Territory on Twitter at splash Hit Territory 706 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can follow Susan, who's a frequent guest 707 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: of the show on Twitter. You can follow me too. 708 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: You guys have been amazing so far. We're gonna do 709 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: a mailbag the next show, so we need your questions. 710 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: Go on the YouTube in the comments, ask us some 711 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: questions what you think, and we're just gonna We're gonna 712 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: talk to you guys via your question So you can 713 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: go on Susan's Twitter, find us on Twitter, go to YouTube, 714 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: go on my Twitter, ask us questions. That's gonna be 715 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: our next show this week. What a great guest today, man, 716 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: that was so much fun. I'm a fanboy buck Man. 717 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I think he's the best. I still think he should 718 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: be managed somewhere in the big leagues. But that was 719 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: really nice of him to come on. All right, we'll 720 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: get you guys there this week. Thanks for watching subscribe. 721 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: You guys are the best. And like I say on 722 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: the way out, every single time, swing hard in case 723 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: you hit it.