1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom. What of 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: America Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. It's a Monday, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and we got football games to discuss, all right, NFL 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks to discuss, maybe a little maybe a little baseball. 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't see a bunch of that in the rundown 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: because I don't know. I just we have Did I 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: mention we have NFL football going on right now? Did 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: did I mention? 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: That? 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: So cool to be sitting down in a sports bar 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: and to see and to see NFL football. I'd like 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: the NFL is so brilliant in their branding, you know. 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: I just I can't get over how excited I am. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: Are you guys like that? Well, we told you that 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: Friday would be potentially a day reckoning for one side 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: or the other, and this is sort of what we do, 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: right It's like the Sydney Sweeney thing from last week. 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Nobody I know who actually matters in this world was 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: like offended by the jeans ad but the right brilliantly 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: found a way. Okay, you find a couple of tweets 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: from some crazy people, like, look, there's three hundred and 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: fifty million people in the United States, half of one 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: percent is still over a million and a half people. 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: All it takes is a couple tweets here or there, 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: and you're like, look, got the liberals, Hey, you hate 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney. Cue all the dancing sorority girls, right, And 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: it becomes an either or like you either have to 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: you have to love women showing that which I think 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: most people do showing their bodies in tasteful ways, or 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: you have to be anti anything, which is a super 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: small percentage of people. But again, you take a couple 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: of people, a couple of treats. It's the same thing 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: with Shadoor Sanders're like, what, yeah, hey, nobody said shad 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: Or Sanders stunk like those words were never But he 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: clearly rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: how he presented himself, how he interacted with people during 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: the pre draft process. Very obvious. You factor in that 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: with a limited number of teams who felt like they 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: wanted to invest in a quarterback this year, you know, 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: because first round of investing it and then it became 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of a snowball effect. But this is you're made 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: to feel like you're either pro Shchoud door Sanders, which 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: there are definitely are pro shaudor Sanders, but there's lots 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: of people that are pro shchaudor Sanders just because they 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: feel like it's the man keeping down. It's so weird, right, 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Here's a kid that comes from wealth, it's played for 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: his dad, that's been really good, and we make it 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: out like he was walking backwards uphill in snow twenty 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: mile an hour, winds in his face at every possible opportunity. 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: But you do have some anti Chador Sanders sentiment only 56 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: in that dude really play football well, then if you 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: want to have the entourage you can. He puts cart 58 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: well ahead of horse. But it's not like there's a 59 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: bunch of people going he stinks he can't play. He's 60 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: awful that that never occurred. But again, people who are 61 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: pro shaudor much will make you think that's what the 62 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: narrative was it wasn't it was holds it a little along. 63 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Not a great athlete, really accurate, not a great arm 64 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: and some entitlement there. You're like, all right, like that's 65 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: a reasonable scanner report. Well, he goes out and he 66 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: plays really well after kind of a shaky first I 67 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: think two drives with the Cleveland Browns, and after the 68 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: game he was sure on this performance. Do you feel 69 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: like you did something today to move up the depth chart? 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know, and I don't really care. You know, 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: whenever it's my turn and I just got to take 72 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: advantage of it. I feel like, you know, today I 73 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: did some good, some bad, and I know moving forward, 74 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, I won't make the same mistakes twice. Does 75 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: not am I going throw? And you know, regardless of 76 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: whatever the situation, it does not up to me. And 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: it is what it is. I just got to, you know, 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: except whatever, whatever, everything come with. 79 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: Okay. So that's Shador Sanders. There's some you know, old 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: time cliches in there, but like, let's let's not nitpick. 81 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: He's an NFL rookie. He handled all the questions really well. 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he needed to go and confront to 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland Reporter about the negativity. All you do is negativity 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. Just go play football. The rest takes care 85 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: of itself. It really does. It does. But he's seen 86 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: his dad do that, and that's how he carries himself. 87 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, my son carries himself much like I do. 88 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: People say that all the time, your son, he's got 89 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: your manners. Yeah, he's my son. That's actually how it 90 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of works. So you know, I land on this thing, 91 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: going he look good, look good. The question becomes you know, 92 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: I love and I loved his answer about I won't 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: make the same mistakes twice. That's what sports is about. 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: That's what experience is about. Anybody can have experience. But 95 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: are you continuing to make the same mistakes over and 96 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, or you are you evolving? 97 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: And he'll play against better defenses. You know, he'll play 98 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: with better players as well, like they didn't play all 99 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: their starters. And I'm just not somebody who's gonna sit 100 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: here and freak out because I've seen this enough and 101 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: this is what we do. We're just as guilty of 102 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: it in the media as anybody else. We make it 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: out to should or stinks or should door is awesome 104 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: and everybody's got it wrong. Whereas my take is I 105 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: thought he's pretty good, but god, he's arrogant, and I 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: just imagine blowing off your dream job interview time and 107 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: again and then being surprised when you don't get the job. 108 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: That's not how I operate, not how anybody I know operates. 109 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: But to this test, he passed, and please don't sit 110 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: here and say passed with flying colors. We don't know 111 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: even by his own estimations, he made mistakes. It's is 112 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: he on an upper trajectory? Will he get better? And honestly, 113 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: what really matters is the guys in that locker room. 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: If they buy into him, it doesn't matter what we think. 115 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: If they will kill for him, it doesn't matter what 116 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: we think. The thing that and a lot of NFL 117 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: scouts off was not just how he was in those meetings. 118 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: It was also the fact that there was a feeling that, 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, everybody played for him, not with him. You know, 120 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: when the offensive line broke down, you know that that 121 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: there would be hell to pay, because whereas when he 122 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: made a mistake, there would not. You know, there's always 123 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: the assumption of daddy ball, whether it exists or doesn't 124 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: exist playing for your father. I get it. It's very difficult. 125 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Shador passed, probably failed with the entourage thing and was 126 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: in that negative with confronting a local reporter. What's the point, 127 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, go play win games, get the team behind you, 128 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: get the coach to buy in, and when you get 129 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: your opportunity, kick ass. That's all you can do. But 130 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: I I just this is this is Lamar Jackson. People 131 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: are like, well, Lamar Jackson. They said he couldn't throw, Like, no, 132 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't accurate as a thrower in college. He's improved. 133 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Josh Allen not accurate as a thrower in college, made 134 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: some adjustments now is improved. And I'm not putting him 135 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: in that. I'm not putting him in with those guys 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: because I don't think he has the arm of those guys. 137 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: But if you want to know what people really thought, 138 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: they thought he was good. They're like, man, there had 139 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: to be something going on, and there was in those interviews. 140 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: And he's not a plus athlete. He doesn't have a 141 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: plus plus arm. He's plus plus and accuracy and he's 142 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: played a lot of football. He's got a high football IQ. 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: My take on shador was. He was as good or 144 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: better than most people would hope. But it's just a step. 145 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: And it also shows the old Dylan Gabriel. Your best 146 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: part of your best ability is availability, and he got 147 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: left behind. It's a hard one to come back from. 148 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dog Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 149 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five 150 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 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This is 170 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: the show we want to provide you, We want to 171 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: weaponize you with real information. So Tom Telesco joins us 172 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trade. 173 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: Of course, Tom for eleven years manager of the San 174 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Diego and La Chargers and last year the Las Vegas Raiders. 175 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about Shador Sanders performance from a general manager's perspective, 176 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: what'd you see? 177 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 6: Well, I can see, you know, Andrew Barry the gym 178 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 6: of the brown sitting back and at least saying the 179 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 6: traits that we saw in college really showed up in 180 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 6: the game. And that's that's you know, you know, big 181 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 6: time poison in the pocket like nothing ever rattles them, 182 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 6: whether it's pressure, whether it's you know, somebody games getting 183 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 6: beat up front. And he's really accurate with the football, 184 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 6: and especially on the red zone. Red zones at the 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 6: hardest place to be accurate because those windows are really tight, 186 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 6: like everything happens faster, and he shows you can footballs 187 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 6: in tight spaces, so you know there's still things that 188 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 6: work on, Like you don't like to see him retreated 189 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 6: as much as he does. Sometimes they go make a play, 190 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 6: but that's kind of like the playmaker mentality that he has. 191 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 6: But you know, I'm proud of him to go through 192 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 6: the process where obviously he thought he's going to be 193 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 6: drafted higher. He wasn't. He's drafted in the fifth round. 194 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 6: He goes in, he's one of four quarterbacks competing, So 195 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 6: when he had four quarterbacks, you know in a competition 196 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 6: there aren't going to be that many snaps. And all 197 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 6: he's gone is take what ever's stats he has and 198 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 6: trying to make him count and then he gets in 199 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 6: the game and really produce. So we'll see where weeks 200 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 6: two and three go. But to me, he's earned a chance, 201 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 6: you know, to play a little bit more, hopefully get 202 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 6: out there with the ones a little bit and show 203 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 6: what he can do. But I feel very comfortable to 204 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 6: the fact that what he saw in college he saw 205 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 6: at least on a professional field. I know his preseason, 206 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 6: but you saw that that same thing. 207 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: What's he missing? Obviously there's the meetings and some of 208 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: the arrogance. I'm not sure he did a lot to 209 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: dispel that with the with the entourage, But uh what 210 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: what is he missing that doesn't allow those things to 211 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: be glossed over? 212 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 6: I don't know what he's missing. I mean, I wasn't 213 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 6: part of the very end process of the scouting of 214 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: the player, but I mean, he's played a lot of 215 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 6: football in college. He obviously has a good feel for 216 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 6: the game for how he plays it now is he's 217 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 6: certainly I mean he's picking up the Browns offense and 218 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 6: that's gonna take some work, there's no doubt about that. 219 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 6: But but you know, same with Dylan Gabriel and really 220 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 6: same with Kenny Pickett because he's new to that offense 221 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 6: as well, and he's a young quarterback. So but look, 222 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 6: you know, he can stand in the pocket, he can 223 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 6: deliver the football, and he's accurate, and he's a better 224 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 6: athlete than people think. You know that I think to 225 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 6: his athletic ability. I think when your dad, Dion Standers, 226 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 6: who is one of the best athletes on the planet, 227 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 6: I think people who hadn't seen should or play, disfigured 228 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 6: he'd be able to run like his dad. Well, you know, 229 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 6: he's not his dad as far as an athlete and 230 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 6: speak a concerned but he's still plenty athletic, athletic enough 231 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 6: to get out go gets a chunky yards when he 232 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 6: has to. He can still slide around and move in 233 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 6: the pocket, find an open area and make a throw. 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 6: So he's got a lot of things going for him. 235 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: And now it was just about turning into a pro 236 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 6: quarterback and getting getting a hold of the offense. And 237 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 6: I think he's gonna be fine in the end. Will 238 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 6: up you this year? I don't know, but I think 239 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 6: you know he'll be a starter at some point. 240 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 4: In this league. 241 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jackson Dart 242 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: one preseason game in what are your thoughts? 243 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 6: I like what I saw, I really did. And he's 244 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 6: another one. You know, when you watch these players play 245 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: in college, you're projecting their trades at the next level, 246 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 6: and sometimes they translate, sometimes they do not. And Jackson 247 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 6: a lot of the same things you saw in college 248 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 6: he saw in his first preseason game. He's very athletic, 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 6: he's tough, he can go run with the football. They 250 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 6: are probably a couple plays you probably should have slid, 251 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 6: he didn't. He kind of brings out moxy to the offense. 252 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 6: And one of the biggest things he saw in college 253 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 6: with him is he can hang in the pocket, burst 254 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 6: pressure and make a throw and take a hit and 255 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 6: still deliver the ball on time with accuracy. And he 256 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 6: showed that more than a couple of times. You know, 257 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 6: it is whatever that I think he played maybe a 258 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 6: half of football, so I'd love to see that, Like 259 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 6: the bug is out of his hand quickly, and he 260 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 6: is extremely tough. So again, you're seeing the same things 261 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 6: you saw in college with him, and as a general 262 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 6: manager when you draft the players, that's what you're hoping. 263 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 6: You're hoping that transition isn't going to be as big 264 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 6: as you would think you're projecting forward. But the things 265 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 6: that I saw with him, I thought they were pretty impressive. 266 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: I know J. J. McCarthy didn't play a lot, but 267 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: you also evowed him going back to last year in 268 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: the draft. What are your thoughts on the Vikings and 269 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: young quarterback. 270 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, when I was with the Raiders last year, 271 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 6: we had a chance, we played them in the preseason 272 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 6: and he played in that game before he got hurt, 273 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 6: and he played extremely well against US. He moved the team. 274 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 6: He's a really good athlete, he's got a good seat, 275 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 6: made a couple of big throws, but he just hasn't 276 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 6: played a lot of football yet, and missing all of 277 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 6: last year due to injury, where you're doing a lot 278 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 6: more rehab than you're doing anything practice wise, it just 279 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 6: sets them back a little bit. But he made a 280 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 6: couple of decent throws here the other day, just didn't 281 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 6: play a lot of snaps in the preseason game. So 282 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 6: right now, it's just him trying to get up the 283 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 6: speed with the offense and with Kevin O'Connell, which which 284 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 6: I think that's a good combination I have when when 285 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 6: Kevin O'Collins were head coach and kind of see how 286 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 6: that that plays along. And he's not. He's a difficult 287 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 6: situation just because they're that's a fourteen win team last year, 288 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 6: so this is not like this is not a rebuild 289 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 6: a retool. This team's built to win right now, uh, 290 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 6: you know, with their offense and their defense, So he's 291 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 6: gonna have to bring up his game. 292 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: Kind of push. 293 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 6: He pushed them along, But I just think it's gonna 294 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: take a little bit of time even into the fall 295 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 6: to kind of get him into the mix, just because 296 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 6: he missed so much. He's especially a rookie right now, 297 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 6: but now not only is he a rookie, but he 298 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 6: missed all of last year of just development, practice and playing. 299 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 6: So we'll see more from him, assuming he'll play more 300 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 6: in preseason two to kind of get him ready for 301 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 6: opening day. But to the skills are there, he's just gonna 302 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: have to take some time. 303 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb 304 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, Tom was most 305 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: recently the gym manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. Before that, 306 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: he's gem manager of the LA Chargers. Chargers tough news 307 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: last week, Shaun Slater, who you drafted at Northwestern Star 308 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: left tackle, was a Pro Bowler is his rookie season, right, 309 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and an All Pro as well, and he 310 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: ruptured his Patel attendant, Uh, give me your outlook for 311 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: their what's their offensive line look like? In front of 312 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert considering how much they want to run the football? 313 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I still think they'll be okay, and 314 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 6: they're obviously not going to be as good. I mean, 315 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 6: they had the probably the best tackle duo in the 316 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 6: league with with Rashaan and Joe Walt, and but you know, 317 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 6: they can move Joe Walt to left tackle, which they 318 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 6: already have in practice, so he'll move over to left. 319 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 6: Joe Walt's going to be a Pro Bowl tackle if 320 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 6: not this year, real, real, soon they can put Trade 321 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 6: Pipkins at the right tackle, who has played a lot 322 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: of football. I know that, you know they'll be a 323 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 6: drop off from Joe Walt to trade Tipkins. I realize that, 324 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 6: but you know there's things you can do with the offense, 325 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 6: to chip, to help to know where you may have 326 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 6: to give a little help on one side of the line. 327 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 6: But so I think they can survive this. Obviously not 328 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 6: going to be as dominant as they thought they were 329 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 6: going to be becau they're losing a big time players. 330 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 6: It's it's really difficult to see, you know, a guy 331 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 6: that just you know, Rashana just signed that deal. He's 332 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 6: ready to go. They're built with the offensive line to 333 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 6: see him go down. It's difficult, I know, but I 334 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 6: still think they think they can be Okay. Thank God, 335 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 6: they've got old to move over there there on the 336 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 6: left side and kind of keep it moving. They'll have 337 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 6: to change up a little bit, probably with head where 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 6: ends up being the right tackle. Mkai Becton's played tackle. 339 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 6: I think he's a better guard than tackle. So my 340 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: thought is a guest, that they'll probably just leave him 341 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 6: at guard and put him next to Trade Pipkins. I 342 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 6: guess we'll kind of see as he worked through the preseason. 343 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: Tom Telasco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb 344 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know you were we 345 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: were talking earlier about about quarterbacks. Uh, the Matt Stafford thing. 346 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: So Matt Stafford's not going to practice today. Multiple ports said. 347 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Stafford's in street clothes and has entered into the wellness 348 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: chamber before the session. He's got this disk issue in 349 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: his back. I put you in charge of the LA Raiders. 350 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: What do you do? I mean LA Rams, what do 351 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: you do? 352 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: My first question is what's the wellness chamber? I think 353 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: I could use that. Yeah, I don't even know what 354 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 6: that is. Look, I mean, i'd be concerned about it obviously. 355 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 6: You know, an older quarterback with a back issue that 356 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 6: seems like it's been lingering a little bit here. It's 357 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 6: certainly a concern. You know, they've got Jimmy Garoppolo, who 358 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 6: is uh, you know, a veteran quarterback, make quick decisions, 359 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 6: get the ball, he gets the ball out of his hands. 360 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 6: He can move the team. But again, my concerns there is, 361 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 6: you know, he's had his own injury issues with with 362 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 6: the Patriots and with the forty nine ers and then 363 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 6: even with the Raiders. So you know, obviously he can 364 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 6: go in, he can start and get them through. I 365 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 6: just worry about if something happened to him. So this 366 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 6: the other day, Set and Bennett played a majority of 367 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 6: the game to try and get him somewhere. Stem hadn't 368 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 6: played football in over a year, so they're trying to 369 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 6: probably put their Plan B and Plan sees together. Obviously, 370 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 6: Stafford his Plan A. He played at such a high 371 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 6: level last year, which is really remarkable for where he 372 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 6: is in his career. But you're going to have to 373 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 6: have some different plans ready to go just in case 374 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 6: this doesn't go where they wanted to go. And that's 375 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 6: that's the concern, is, you know, back to unpredictable uh, 376 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 6: and he's in an age that it's a little bit 377 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 6: harder to come back from these injuries, you know, despite 378 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 6: what his toughness level is. So that's what their whole 379 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 6: preseason is going to be about right now, is figuring 380 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 6: out what's Plan B if for some chance he's not 381 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 6: ready for opening day or he's ready for opening day. 382 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 6: But maybe it's hurt in the middle of the season. 383 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 6: But it's certainly something to watch. 384 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't I don't think there's any question is 385 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: something to watch. Micah Parsons, You know, what, what's the 386 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: reality to how deals are done? Right? Because what we've 387 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: gotten was they had some sort of agreement but no 388 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: agent involved. And Dave mcgett is a powerful agent, he's 389 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: his agent. Best guess what what do you think happened there? 390 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 6: I don't know, because the agent is always going to 391 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 6: be involved. You're just you're never going to do a 392 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 6: deal Espe's a deal to this magnitude without the agent 393 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 6: being a part of the process. And you know, maybe 394 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 6: they've done things a little bit differently in Dallas, but 395 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 6: I don't think they've done very many times. I mean, 396 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 6: I'm sure they've talked to players who through the contract process, 397 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 6: which isn't common, but some some teams may do that, 398 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 6: but the agent is always going to be a part 399 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 6: of it. So at this point, I just think, get 400 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 6: number one, he had to repair the relationships first. And 401 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 6: you know, I'm just speculating that that it needs to 402 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 6: be repaired, but it sure sounds like it if they're 403 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 6: not even speaking right now, if that is true. So 404 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 6: number one is repair the relationship with the player and 405 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 6: the agent, and then then and then the second part 406 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 6: is they have to, you know, work on the numbers 407 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: part of it. That should be the easier part. But 408 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 6: number one, you just got to get everybody on the 409 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 6: same page, in the same room. I don't know where 410 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: they are right now. I just I have no feel 411 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 6: for this. It's a different type of situation that I've 412 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: seen with the team just trying to just directly dealing 413 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 6: with the player. Which there's a reason why players have agents, 414 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 6: and the agents do this for a living. They negotiate 415 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 6: hundreds upon thousands of contracts and the players use them 416 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 6: for guidance and advice. That's why the players pay them, 417 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 6: especially deals like this. So I didn't think there was 418 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 6: any way there was going to be a deal done 419 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 6: without the agent being involved. And then when you when 420 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 6: you talk publicly about that, we're not even talking to 421 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 6: the agent. To me, that just stokes the fire and 422 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 6: that just doesn't help things at all. So hopefully I 423 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 6: can get things smoothed out first with the player, with 424 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 6: the agent, they work on it from there. They still 425 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 6: have a good amount of time before opening day. But 426 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 6: you just you want to get this done. 427 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: You. 428 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 6: I know, Michael Parson does not need every snap in 429 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 6: the in practice right now, but we do need some 430 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 6: to get ready to play for opening day. You don't 431 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 6: want to just run out there and then God forbid 432 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 6: you have like a soft pitchue injury or something that 433 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: because you weren't you know, fully participating in camp. So 434 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 6: we'll see that where that plays out. But it is 435 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 6: taking a lot longer than I had anticipated right now. 436 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does. Why do you think so many 437 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: teams played there, guys in the first preseason game more 438 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: so than the past. 439 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 6: You know what, that's funny because I, you know, just 440 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 6: watching these games, I was able to watch more of 441 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 6: them that I typically would be able to when I 442 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 6: was a GM, but I noticed a lot more starters 443 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 6: playing as well. I was actually going to go through 444 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 6: and just do some work to see if that's true 445 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 6: or not, But at least by my eye, I think 446 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 6: more teams played their starters. It kind of goes and 447 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 6: ebbs and flows. I mean, there's there's there's no one 448 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 6: perfect way to do it, but obviously I think some 449 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 6: teams are doing it hopefully to get a quicker start 450 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 6: in September. And I know that's why the Bengals did it. 451 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 6: Get their guys some more work, some more live work. 452 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 6: And but I can tell you all it takes is 453 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 6: one star player to get hurt in the preseason game 454 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 6: and the coaches will will turn it around and as 455 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 6: they'll start, they'll start not playing their guys again. So 456 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 6: like I said, I think it goes up and down. 457 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 6: I think I think probably depends where your team is. 458 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 6: That's a big part of it, where your team is 459 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 6: on the developmental scale. But yeah, I know it's the 460 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 6: same thing. More starters playing than usual, which was great 461 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 6: for me. It was fun to watch some more frontline 462 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 6: guys playing the preseason. Is this going to be a trend. 463 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 6: I don't know. We'll see, But like I said, all 464 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 6: it takes this one injury and it's going to flip 465 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 6: the other way around. 466 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought that the work that guys getting practice 467 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: against other teams was better than the preseason games. 468 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 6: I did, just because you can control it more. You 469 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 6: can work on specific situations you do with ones versus ones, 470 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 6: because some of the preseason games this past weekend, a 471 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 6: team may have been playing their ones against somebody's twos 472 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 6: and threes, and that's not going to be as good 473 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 6: as work. So yeah, I did like the combined practices. 474 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 6: The intensity level was much higher than a regular practice. 475 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 6: You're going against a different defense, you're going against their starters, 476 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 6: but you can control with them. You can still go 477 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 6: live ball what we call stud which is you know 478 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: you're gonna fit up, you're going to hit. It's not 479 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 6: gonna take people to the ground, and hopefully the more 480 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 6: people that stay off the ground, there's less chance for 481 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 6: an injury where somebody just rolls into somebody's ankle or 482 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 6: rolls into somebody's knees. So a lot of teams are 483 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 6: doing one and some people are doing two practices with 484 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 6: other teams. I think that's great. I would prefer that 485 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 6: in a preseason game, but again, everybody kind of looks 486 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: at it a little bit differently. 487 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Taught me, you're the best man. Thanks so much for 488 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: your time in joining us. Look forward to our visit 489 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: next week and being our guest on Fox. 490 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 6: Sports Radio anytime. Doug, take care. 491 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. 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Isaac 501 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: Loncron love at Christophett Love of Detroit Sports Hirschinger just 502 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: love A. That's right, love A. Let's tarty with you? Ilo? 503 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: What was you left on the weekend? 504 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 8: Sorry? 505 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 7: The context of that labeling was interesting, to be rebound rebound, Ilo, rebound. 506 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: All right? 507 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 7: Well, actually mine is along these lines, and I just 508 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 7: discovered this a short time ago when thinking about this, Uh, 509 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 7: this is actually a pretty funny thing that I enjoyed 510 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 7: over the weekend. So New England Patriots receiver that the 511 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 7: headline here is reporter asks Patriot receiver for his wife's 512 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 7: phone number. So here's the context that I'll play the audio. 513 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 7: Kendrick Bourne uh speaking with reporters covering the Patriots, and 514 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 7: one of the reporters complimented the clothes he was wearing 515 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 7: that day, and Kendrick Bourne very proudly said that his 516 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 7: wife was his stylist. And then the reporter goes on 517 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 7: to ask Bourne for his wife's phone number, and it 518 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 7: was a pretty funny exchange. 519 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 6: Listen, so my wife is actually my style of shot 520 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 6: out to my wife. 521 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: She's gonna love this. 522 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 6: She puts it all together for me, So she's doing good. 523 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what she got ready for me, but 524 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: we'll see. 525 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's behind it all. She's can you give her? 526 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: Can you get it? 527 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 6: Can I get a number? 528 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: In the respectful way for the strictly wardrobe part of life? 529 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: Hold on what me? 530 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 4: Hold on? 531 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: Hold on? What is he asking? What are you asking? 532 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: Oh? 533 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Business car our Instagram has Vanessa Bourne go check around. 534 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 535 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 7: That's so funny and now all our listeners have her 536 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 7: her Instagram. But yeah, I thought that was hilarious, So 537 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 7: that amused me. 538 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: To no end. 539 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I loved. I love the announcement 540 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: that the UFC is coming to Paramount plus and there'll 541 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: be no increase in fees I guess as of now, 542 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: so no more pay per views for UFC. Seven billion dollars. 543 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: That's crazy, seven billion dollars. And what that means is 544 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: that there's obviously the belief there that UFC fight fans 545 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: will follow wherever Dana and Mark Shapiro says to go. 546 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: And I think that's very possible. In the in the 547 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: uh what's it called the wars of all these different networks, 548 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: you know you have you go with the NFL and 549 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: ESPN tying to them, and then with with CBS. You 550 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: know they have some properties, but get in the UFC 551 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: and I think NBC has done really well again. I 552 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: know Fox is launched in their app, but it's the 553 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: content that feels like it's missing. I'll be interesting to 554 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: see what they have on it. But love the love 555 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: the UFC being not free but being a monthly fee 556 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: with paramount And maybe it's because I already had Paramount 557 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: plus that might be it. I love what that means. 558 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: You have Paramount plus two, all right, Chris Prophet, which 559 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: you let for the weekend, So. 560 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 8: I know, uh, I think some baseball fans were kind 561 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 8: of mixed on it. But I always enjoy when baseball 562 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 8: can go on the road and have a bit of 563 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 8: a spectacle, and I think nothing exemplified that more than 564 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 8: go into Bristol Motor Speedway putting on a baseball game. 565 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 8: We had the reds and the why am I blanking 566 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 8: all of a sudden reds and braves? And I think 567 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 8: the thing I really love for that is I saw 568 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 8: a couple guys and they must have been this must 569 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 8: have been guys who are working in the crew, and 570 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 8: when you get to work in the crew, you get 571 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 8: to find the nice spots at a venue like this, 572 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 8: Because there was a shot during the Fox broadcast two 573 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 8: guys hanging up in the jumbo tron which was being 574 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 8: suspended by why being suspended over the middle of a field, 575 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 8: just kind of hanging up there. I think on the 576 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 8: Fox broadcast they like just zoomed in up there. And 577 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 8: by the way, this was after like I think rains 578 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 8: had delayed the game by a day. I think that's 579 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 8: right Bush something. Yeah, okay, just just just making sure 580 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 8: my memory I've been you know, I'm all over the place, 581 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 8: but that was seeing those guys hanging up there. I'm like, yeah, 582 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 8: that's cool. I love that. I'd love to be able 583 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 8: to hang up just there, just just on this giant 584 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 8: piece of metal, hoping it doesn't crash down with only 585 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 8: wires hanging it up and watch a baseball game. 586 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: Nice, Chris, I mean, I'm Ryan Bursch here. 587 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: So on Friday night in baseball, we had a great game. 588 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: It was a headline matchup and it turned out to 589 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 5: be a great game. And that was the Blue Jays 590 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 5: visiting the Dodgers in LA, with Max Scherzer and Clayton 591 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 5: Kershaw facing off on the mound, and the matchup delivered. 592 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 5: This is probably the last time these two will ever meet, 593 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 5: which apparently had been the first time they had met 594 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 5: since they met as rookies seventeen years ago, which is awesome. 595 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: Of course. The two of them certainly first ballot Hall 596 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 5: of famers and both pitched very well. Kershaw through six 597 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 5: innings of one run ball, and he did that despite 598 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: never topping eighty eight miles an hour, which not many 599 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 5: pitch can do. So great to see Kershaw performing so well, right, 600 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 5: now Max Schurz are six innings of two run ball 601 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: as well, those only the two runs coming on Mookie 602 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 5: Bets hitting a two run shot, which also I love 603 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 5: because Mookie's really been struggling for quite a bit now, 604 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 5: but he had a pretty solid week at the plate, 605 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: and that two run home run his first home run 606 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 5: in nearly a month, so it was great to see 607 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 5: him getting things going. As I said, turned out to 608 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 5: be a beautiful night of baseball, a great game between 609 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: two of the very best that we have seen on 610 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: the mound in the past couple decades. And the Dodgers 611 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 5: ended up taking two of three from the Blue Jays 612 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 5: in LA, which is, as you mentioned, a big deal 613 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 5: because of the fact that they had been struggling for 614 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 5: so long. The Blue Jays are a very strong team, 615 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: the best in the al right now, So loved that. 616 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 5: Just a great weekend of baseball in LA. 617 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to what we hated from the weekend. 618 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: I'll sorry what you prefet with you eave in the weekend. 619 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 8: So I'm going to Detroit Lions here, I know, shock surprise, 620 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 8: but we have the preseason game, the second preseason game 621 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 8: for the Lions, the first for the Falcons, so Lions Falcons, 622 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 8: and I could have hated a lot of stuff I 623 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 8: saw with hen and Hooker, but I'm not going there. 624 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 8: It's something that happened near the end of that game. 625 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 8: I believe it was like a minute into the fourth quarter, 626 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 8: Maurice Norris gets hit. I'm still kind of a little 627 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 8: unclear on the injury itself because I was like also 628 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 8: working out at the time, so I was kind of 629 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 8: half paying attention. I understand there might have been like 630 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 8: a seizure involved or something, but ambulance has to come 631 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 8: onto the field to take him off. Everyone is, of course, 632 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 8: you know, shaken up over this. This is not something 633 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 8: anyone who ever wants to see in a preseason game. 634 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 8: And then then the then Dan Campbell and Maurice and 635 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 8: Raheem Morris come together and decide, Hey, we're gonna kneel 636 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 8: out the We're basically gonna knee out the clock. There's 637 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 8: fourteen minutes left in this game, but nobody really wants 638 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 8: to continue, especially when we got joint practices and everyone's 639 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 8: worried about Norris, so we're going to just have to 640 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 8: It was the most bizarre thing I've seen just guys 641 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 8: sitting around for fourteen minutes running off the clock to 642 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 8: end the game. And what I hate about this is 643 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 8: that there's no way to stop the game. That apparently, eventually, 644 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 8: sole power to suspend an NFL game, even in the preseason, 645 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 8: rests with the Central Office, which I understand, But the 646 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 8: Central office saw no reason to stop this game when 647 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 8: both teams are like, hey, we don't want to play 648 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 8: it anymore. And I'm just I tell you, I tell you, Doug. 649 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 8: It was the most weird thing I've seen. Fourteen minutes 650 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 8: of guys waiting to go home, waiting to go home 651 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 8: at when neither side intends to continue this game. And 652 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 8: I just I don't understand why there's no mechanism here 653 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 8: for this. I understand we don't really do this in 654 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 8: the regular season, but it's preseason. 655 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: Come on, pretty good one. 656 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 7: It's actually related to this, it's sort of a different component. 657 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 7: So the Lions tweeted a statement saying that after this 658 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 7: happened that Norris has had feeling and movement in all 659 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 7: his extremities, which was the news we were all hoping 660 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 7: for when this scary thing happened, and a comment or 661 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 7: who goes by the handle at Roxy the Doodle posted 662 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 7: and I quote. 663 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 4: Are they going to refund the picks? There were numerous 664 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 4: parlays about to hit and it's over with nearly a 665 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 4: quarter to play at Roxy the Doodle perhaps the worst 666 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 4: person who lives among us. 667 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: I saw some other comments that were in that neighborhood. 668 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: That's pretty bad one. All right there, Ryan, what do 669 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: you got? 670 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 5: So my hate for the weekend is just I guess 671 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 5: it's the cognitive dissonance I feel with the NFL preseason 672 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 5: in general. As you said off the top of the show, 673 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 5: we're all getting ready for football. We're very much in 674 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 5: the mood for football to return, not just the NFL 675 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 5: but college as well, but the NFL preseason. When these 676 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 5: games come on, it looks like the real NFL. It 677 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 5: feels kind of like the real NFL, but it's it's 678 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 5: still not, so you kind of like, it just feels 679 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 5: weird watching these games and trying to put any stock 680 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 5: in anything. Definitely, of course, with guys like Shudhar Sanders 681 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 5: and a lot of different you know, rookie quarterbacks, you're 682 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 5: getting their first taste of action. That stuff's significant. But 683 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 5: for the most part, like obviously you can't really look 684 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 5: at the scoreboard, you can't really look at a lot 685 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 5: of these veterans who are just kind of getting their 686 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 5: reps in. It's just it's not like spring training, where 687 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: spring training, you know, looks and feels very obviously different 688 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 5: and it's just nice to return to normal. It's not 689 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 5: like NBA preseason, because NBA the first part of the 690 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 5: NBA season doesn't even feel like the NBA season. The 691 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 5: NFL preseason is just it just feels so odd because 692 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 5: I'm I'm so ready for football to come back, and 693 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 5: yet I see it and I just can't accept it. Still, 694 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 5: it just makes me even more anxious and ready for 695 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 5: these real games to get going. 696 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 8: Just an odd thing when you got to cut down 697 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 8: from ninety to fifty three men and it's like these 698 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 8: games now take on the importance of try to scout 699 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 8: those guys. Can I throw in one more real quick 700 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 8: hate about the preseason. 701 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: Just side yeah, yeah, so. 702 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 8: Loop, I forget his first name. The Ravens kicker hit 703 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 8: a seventy yarder right, a seventy yard field goal in 704 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 8: the preseason. It was a big deal. Everyone went nuts 705 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 8: over this. I have a problem with this. I don't 706 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 8: like the idea that kickers can now hit from a 707 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 8: range where they're not even in opposing the team's territory. 708 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 8: I think it enables incredibly cowardly coaching. I didn't like 709 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 8: this because I'm seeing it as a force. I know 710 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 8: we're not going to hit seventy yarders in the rag, 711 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 8: but it really it annoys me. I keep thinking, you say, 712 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 8: on the on the rag? Yes, okay, yes, I keep 713 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 8: thinking of you know, you know how uh Nick Saban 714 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 8: lost the kick six game because he decided to trot 715 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 8: out a true freshman kicker for what was that a 716 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 8: sixty sixty plus yard field. 717 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 7: Goal that collin being just over fifty as I recall. 718 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 8: I think it was fifty six either way. Like these 719 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 8: long range field goals, I keep thinking of someone like 720 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 8: Kirk Farentz. What if he had a kicker who could 721 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 8: hit from seventy yards. You're telling Kirk Ferentz in his 722 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 8: Iowa offense, you don't even need to cross midfield to 723 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 8: score points. He'll he'll have a full back. He'll have 724 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 8: a full back fall on the ball to center it. 725 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 8: When at the logo, I don't like this. We got it. 726 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 8: We got to stop these long range fields impressive, But 727 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 8: like I'm I'm looking three steps down the road here. 728 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 7: This is a really good issue because I think this 729 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 7: is going to increasingly become more of a topic of conversation, Doug, 730 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 7: in my opinion, because you know, when you and I 731 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 7: were growing up, the real limit was fifty yards and 732 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 7: it was a real tall order anything besides that, I 733 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 7: actually think this is going to be a big issue 734 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 7: that's going to be talked about in years to come 735 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 7: as these ranges keep increasing. 736 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, remember you can if you miss it, 737 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: that's where the spot of the ball is right. Also, 738 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: you can return at the old tick six, So there 739 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: are some penalties for if you don't. You can't complete 740 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: the mad the madfield goal. I'll tell you it's I'll 741 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 1: tell what I hate. I hate the a people. Now 742 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not just because you have writers commenting, right, Like 743 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: the eight people is associated press can be anybody. But 744 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: what's I think most interesting about the it can be anybody? 745 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: Is it? Literally? Is anybody like ask like Brady, Quinn 746 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: and LeVar probably know a little bit more about football 747 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: than we do. Especially Brady covers more college football, right 748 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: the guys on college game Day, the guys on big 749 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: noon kickoff, Like that's who should be voting in this poll. 750 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: US first thing, second thing is like you got no idea? 751 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: Like Boise States ranked twenty five? Why because they're in 752 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: the College foot playoff last year? Yeah, well Ashton genty 753 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: was their whole offense. They lost a bunch from last year, 754 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: and like you don't know about it, these portal guys none, 755 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: How do I know, we don't know. The coaches don't know. 756 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: Get fifteen practice together, then they go play. So I 757 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: just I you know, always had a problem. Today people 758 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: are now even worse. 759 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 7: Hey, Doug, actually along those lines, I'd like to ask 760 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 7: you a follow up, both as a media member and 761 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 7: now as a coach. I know there's coaches polls in 762 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 7: both college football and basketball, and the big rumor going 763 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 7: around is the coaches themselves are just too busy to 764 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 7: do the polls, so their sid person does it for 765 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 7: the what the coaches pulled. But have poles kind of 766 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 7: outlived their usefulness? I mean if poles went away. 767 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean sort of. I mean yeah, I think they 768 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: have and they haven't. You know, they have in that 769 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: they've they just need to evolve. You know. It's like 770 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: even who votes for the Heisman Trophy, Like you shouldn't 771 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: vote for Heisman Trophy if you cover one college football team, 772 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: how do you watch everything? 773 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 8: I do think as a fan to ILO's point, like, 774 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 8: I definitely pay a lot less attention to the polls, 775 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 8: especially preseason polls have always been kind of suspect, but 776 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 8: especially on these poles, like they don't matter at all 777 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 8: to the College Football Playoffs. Those are the real rankings 778 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 8: we're looking for. It's not like the BCS is still 779 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 8: using the coaches poll or that the AP crowns national 780 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 8: champion anymore. They just kind of feel like we're just 781 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 8: kind of biding our times, trying to hope that we 782 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 8: can predict what the College Football Playoff Committee is going 783 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 8: to say in their rankings, which don't come out until 784 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 8: like late in the season. 785 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I think I just I still think they 786 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: should exist because people can say they don't care about polls, 787 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: then their teams, right number one are not ranked and 788 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: they get pissed, right, and they get pissed. So I 789 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: definitely think that poles should still exist. I just think 790 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: we got to be smarter about them. And I just 791 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: am not really convinced that the preseason polls and the 792 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: creases and polls are great for fodder. They just are 793 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: good discussions come out of it. By the way, Arizona 794 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: State's in the top fifteen, Like didn't they lose Camskataboo 795 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: and most of their team from last year, But you 796 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: know they have you bring in new players and on 797 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: paper they look great, but you have no idea how 798 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: they're going to play together. So yeah, I mean, I 799 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: don't know if they've added list their usefulness. I think 800 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: there's I think they're part of the data that we 801 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: should have. It's what people think. But I'm just pointing 802 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: out the flaws in like we have a poll on 803 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: teams that have just started having actual practice together, remember 804 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: no spring games and some of these ts. I just 805 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: I don't know where they're getting their rankings. 806 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 7: Hey, speaking of rankings, just one last thing on this, 807 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 7: I mean, are we getting to the point where we 808 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 7: could see, like a I come up with like a 809 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 7: legitimate way to rank college football teams using all these 810 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 7: crazy analytics in five years? 811 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 5: Isn't that what the BCS was? 812 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 7: Good point, good point, a lot of gigabytes ago, good 813 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 7: point a. 814 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: Lot of gigabytes go? And that is game ten those 815 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: two I mean, not Canton. That's love and hate, right, 816 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: isn't there a love and hate clothes? I think it's 817 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: I think so. Anyway, this is the Doug Gotlieb Show 818 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: here on Box. I'm doing my own sound effects as 819 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: well today. That's That's what I'm doing.