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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ja Dot M, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: What's up Everybody? How y'all doing? Welcome to Jay Dot

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Speaker 1: Elda Packheash. It is a pleasure to be here to

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Speaker 1: day with my sister friends AGR great and dance love.

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Speaker 1: That's me. That's right in my home. Girl. Lie, Yes,

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Speaker 1: ain't clear what you said? You see? I say that

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Speaker 1: it's giving North. It's giving North. It's slightly like country

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Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying. It's like Philly and

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Speaker 1: country mixed together, because that's where I'm living at likes

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Speaker 1: I get home. As I get home, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: where y'all going at you every where you go, everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's no secret we we we beautiful brown people. We

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Speaker 1: gotta we got a whole dialect going on where an

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Speaker 1: entire way right on DC all day, all day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I used to have a cousin, a cousin who dated

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Speaker 1: a guy from Cali, and he was like, why people

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Speaker 1: from d c sing everything they say and We're like, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't. He was like, yes, y'all do. He said,

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Speaker 1: how y'all doing? What where's it going? What's going? And

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Speaker 1: I just want to give a shout out to my girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: a shocky coleman, the whole. She's a doctorate and she's

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Speaker 1: she's a whole principal at a at a at a school.

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Speaker 1: And when I first heard her speak, she's from d C.

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Speaker 1: And she was like, I remember why y'all always going

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Speaker 1: over the air. And I was like, see the funny

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Speaker 1: things that what d C people will do is not

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Speaker 1: drop their accent for real feeling a long time. Don't

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Speaker 1: get it twisted as soon as I crossed the city limits.

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Speaker 1: It's a rap. It's an absolute rap to our pleasure,

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Speaker 1: to our pleasure. Oh look, we're gonna get it to

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Speaker 1: a little perfection right now. My mother says perfect. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's just perfect. Yeah. My stubmother used to say crown

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Speaker 1: for crayon, crown crown, and my mother says stomach. We

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Speaker 1: love it. And my my friend Scott Parker, his mom

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Speaker 1: says thumbach too. I figured it might be from the

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Speaker 1: same place my grandmama said, if it's too old, it's

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Speaker 1: at no matter what it's always so, it's a root,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's what death, what it is? It a book?

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Speaker 1: Rut is the only one that does that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there are any other words. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's any other words. With that, I'm gonna follow these

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Speaker 1: rules as we are absolutely fascinating when it comes to

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Speaker 1: how we speak, in the ways that we speak. And

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Speaker 1: it's true, there's there's music pretty much in everything. Um,

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Speaker 1: no matter where you come from, there's a song and

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Speaker 1: how we speak. Yeah yeah, yes, yes, yeah yeah yeah

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Speaker 1: age great dance. So we have somebody really special here,

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Speaker 1: would you be kind enough to entro dudes, I most

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Speaker 1: certainly would like to introduce this person, this lovely being. Um,

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Speaker 1: y'all know, I'll be on the internet, this is this

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Speaker 1: is if you'll right, it's okay, and one day I'm

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Speaker 1: on the social media's and this lovely person uh these

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Speaker 1: son Michew uh pops up on my on my fee

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Speaker 1: talking this good talk. Okay. So before we get talking

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Speaker 1: to him, I just I'm gonna read a little bit

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Speaker 1: about him, so y'all understand. So when y'all do, you're

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Speaker 1: good googling, because this is what we do on this show,

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Speaker 1: we do a good receipt exactly. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna let you know I'm

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Speaker 1: reading because I'm not this good. I'm I'm reading to

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Speaker 1: make sure y'all get the info right, all right. Son

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Speaker 1: Michel has cultivated a strong following online, which is true.

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Speaker 1: I'm one of his followers via social media, with frequent

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Speaker 1: viral content ranging from pop culture commentary, allegorical anecdotes, and

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Speaker 1: entertainment to serious discussions, advocacy and philanthropy via crowdfunding. He

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Speaker 1: uses this count content to promote intellect, ethics, enlightenment, and education,

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Speaker 1: the ladder of which led him in two thousand seventeen

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Speaker 1: to becoming the first and only Gala language instructor at

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Speaker 1: Harvard University. And this role, he teaches a curriculum based

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Speaker 1: on extensive search and his own personal GALAGICI knowledge and experience.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stop there because y'all need to understand.

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Speaker 1: I know some of y'all need this, you know, high

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Speaker 1: high level receipts Harvard until recently that this man taught

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Speaker 1: it Harvard. All I know is that he speaks to

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Speaker 1: absolute taruse, and so I would love to introduce the

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Speaker 1: Jay dai Il family who is listening to Mr Son Michelle.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I'm very glad to be here. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the energy of the Bible. I'm really happy that, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know you you found me through through through the work. Um,

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Speaker 1: any time I get love from all line is great

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Speaker 1: because everybody everybody don't love you all love, so how

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Speaker 1: can we not what we do? Know? You get a

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Speaker 1: little bit of pushback from the wrights, Oh yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna be really honest about that.

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Speaker 1: I expected and and just some degree thrive on it.

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Speaker 1: Like they haven't figured out how to deal with the

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Speaker 1: creators who don't mind um as the the old saying

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Speaker 1: the smell of napalm in the morning, like I'm here

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Speaker 1: for and so um, what they want you to do

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Speaker 1: is is to like back off and block them, And

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Speaker 1: but that's not how the internet works. That's not how

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Speaker 1: social media works. Engagement is engagement. So the algorithm doesn't

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Speaker 1: know that you're you're calling me out my name or

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Speaker 1: whatever your problem is. All the algorithm knows that you

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Speaker 1: keep coming to my videos, watching them and commenting, and

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Speaker 1: so they've ironically been boosting the very content that they're

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Speaker 1: trying to stop me from making. But it's not working

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Speaker 1: out that way. Would anybody want to stop your content?

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Speaker 1: Am I missing? You know what it is? And I

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Speaker 1: just did UM. I just did electric on campus last

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Speaker 1: night actually talking a little bit about this um. One

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Speaker 1: of the first things that colonialists do, the first thing

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Speaker 1: that imperialist will do when they take over place a

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Speaker 1: conqueror people is get rid of the link. Like you

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Speaker 1: would have to ask yourself, like what would be what's

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Speaker 1: so important about getting rid of the language? Like if

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Speaker 1: you go to a voe, you can get rid of

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Speaker 1: their native language. Everywhere you go, you try to strict

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Speaker 1: the people of their language because there's power and language.

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Speaker 1: There's power in and there's lineage and language that's heritage

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Speaker 1: and language you can tell so much like you were

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Speaker 1: just saying before we started recording, that you can tell

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Speaker 1: from certain words. I can tell where you're from, what

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Speaker 1: part of Taling you're from. If you say hello, maybe

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Speaker 1: you're from Oakland. If you say not, I mean or

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Speaker 1: depending on it the word is born, like maybe from Northeast.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can kind of tell basically where you are.

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Speaker 1: And when you take away those things and replace it

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Speaker 1: with the language of the oppressor, you will never ever

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Speaker 1: be able to articulate your humanity to its fullest extent

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Speaker 1: in the language of your oppressor. And they know that,

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Speaker 1: and so when someone pops up who's saying, hey, there's

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Speaker 1: not only nothing wrong with the way that we speak

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Speaker 1: and getting into our dialects and our creoles, but there's

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Speaker 1: everything right about it, and making ourselves more adjacent to

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Speaker 1: the truth of who we are as opposed to what

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Speaker 1: we were forced to be. Don't like it, but they've

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Speaker 1: I know, maybe it's a little massacrest in me. I

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Speaker 1: don't mind them being upset at all. It doesn't bother

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Speaker 1: little right before you do like a clap back. You

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Speaker 1: always seem, you know, like at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to sound mad, I feel wonderful,

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Speaker 1: Like you're like that at the beginning of your clap back.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I want to make sure y'all realize I'm

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Speaker 1: not pissed. In fact, absolutely, they will think about it.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who's teaching language, like language and why is a

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Speaker 1: person who's teaching language and die like getting death threats?

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Speaker 1: What is that about? Like? Why why are you in

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Speaker 1: comments and in the comments, um, the one in the

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Speaker 1: video that I just did because I got a hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand, past hundred thousand followers on YouTube, which,

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Speaker 1: thanks in part to them, you helped to drive Eachi

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Speaker 1: a hundred in the followers on YouTube. So congratulations, congratulate

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Speaker 1: yourself and played yourself. But they at the same time

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Speaker 1: will say I'm hunting you, and when I find you,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish. First of all, do you really want

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Speaker 1: to find me? So if I'm anti racism, anti misogyny,

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Speaker 1: in regards as language and culture, like, it's like, stop

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Speaker 1: me when you get to the part when I get

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Speaker 1: to the part that warrants you want to kill But

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Speaker 1: here we are, here, we are more real talk after

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Speaker 1: the break. It's truly sounds like that corny saying knowledge

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Speaker 1: is power, and if if it sounds like people can

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Speaker 1: see that to be true and you're deeply powerful and

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Speaker 1: the things that just saying the people and empowering people,

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Speaker 1: that's powerful. But let me let you in on something though.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what some of the the most volatile

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Speaker 1: okay they're there are three most volatile topics that I'm

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Speaker 1: guaranteed to get hate from and from surprising sources. Okay um.

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Speaker 1: One of the ones that I did recently, I never

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Speaker 1: of the post, is Lizzo is beautiful. There were people

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Speaker 1: You think that that would be you know, pretty straightforward exchange.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing there, there's nothing controversial, and the argument and

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Like, where do you

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Speaker 1: think that derives from? You know, that self hatred and

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Speaker 1: or what I'm gonna there's well put it to you

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Speaker 1: this way. The reason that I cut straight to that,

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest about why I cut straight to that,

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Speaker 1: because because I, I uh, the responsibility in regard to

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Speaker 1: and and I was not born of a virgin Mary. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so people will always well, you know, maybe maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: and and and it's just unrealistic. Note that's not the

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Speaker 1: was a kid who was considered one point in atwards,

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Speaker 1: you know, kid left home again when I was a teenager,

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Speaker 1: the suffix I n g that denotes that there's a

426
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Speaker 1: present action or near future action that is in progress.

427
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: I am going to the store. I'm gonna go to

428
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: the store. You're doing that right now now. If I'm

429
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: going to the store much later, I would probably say

430
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Speaker 1: I could go to the store. I could go to

431
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: it now that gut is your future. I could go

432
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: to the store is idea as and I frequently go.

433
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: That's your continuous Okay, I go to the store is

434
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: add as in pass that God never had to change

435
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: in any of those sentences, because the verse days in

436
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: this base infinitive form that is consistent. Those are rules

437
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: that happened consistently throughout the language. And so when you

438
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: start looking at where else do these these rules and

439
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: these things happen, and you look into our mother tongues,

440
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: then you start to find them. You start to find

441
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: words like hunnah it's also pronounced as uno in different

442
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: parts of the diaspora. That same word una exists for

443
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: father exists in different parts of the diaspora. You know,

444
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: these these consistencies happened throughout a diasport. And yet even

445
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: though we're maintaining very much of the African sort of

446
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: fundamentals of the language, we're still relegated to it being

447
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: a dialect of English and stripped of the African identity

448
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: and made it seem as though it's just basically a

449
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: broken version of an English thing. Meanwhile, meanwhile, these same

450
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: people are picking up language from us, They're picking up

451
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: words from us. Gouba is the Galaguchi word for peanut.

452
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: Georgia is the goober state g o o b e r,

453
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: but ours is g u b a. We do not

454
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: use the hard e r in more words than one.

455
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: We don't use the hardy are because because because our

456
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: language is non rhotic, and non rhodic is essentially when

457
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: you dropped the hard are for more of an a

458
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: like sound. So google but and goober are the same

459
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: thing word for peanut. Georgia is a peanut state. Georgia

460
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: is also a a state that is in m bordering

461
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: the Gulaguchi Cultural Heritage Corridor. So to make it seem

462
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: like it's a coincidence that the language seems to follow

463
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: us wherever we are and these people end up speaking

464
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: our language and using phrases that we use, it's only

465
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: ever credited in one direction. They literally believe that we

466
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: learn language from one another. But it was only Africans

467
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: learning language from English and not English learning any language

468
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: from African But how does that stand to reason? You

469
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, It's still everything else, but the language.

470
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I doubt it getting to the Scott's Irish like. There

471
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: are things now, like the word acts that is known

472
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: as something that people look down on for black people.

473
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: If we say and let me ask you a question,

474
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, and acts? Okay, well, there's a couple of

475
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: things about that. You also will find acts in Europe,

476
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: you'll find acts in Ireland. You still find acts in

477
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: different parts of Scotland. Do you'll find acts in Chaucer

478
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: and Shakespeare. And going back to the Greek word oxyen

479
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and oskian, those two words oscan and oxyen are literally

480
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: the same thing, from same words, and it means essentially

481
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: to request, and that is abbreviated from oxyen to acts.

482
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: And so when people correct ox with ask, not only

483
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: is that to certain degree incorrect, but it also is

484
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: ironic in a sense that word is not even the

485
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: original word that you were trying to say. Them word

486
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: that you're trying to say isn't even the original word

487
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: for that, and so we but I'll tell you how

488
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: it happened. How it happened is the word asked was

489
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: more widely publicized in print, particularly in the Bible, and

490
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: at the time only people of status could either read

491
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: or own books. And therefore the word that was more

492
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: widely spread out or widely distributed was in books. And

493
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: so people who did read, the people who did have status,

494
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and people who did have education, they read a s K.

495
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: And so when they repeated that word, they said a

496
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: s K. The people who did not have those things

497
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: were still saying a K S. And so then they're like, hmmm,

498
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: I happened to notice broke people saying the ks. And

499
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and so the social correlation between lack of money, lack

500
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: of education, lack of status, and also associating those things

501
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: with black people turned into who was at the lowest

502
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: rung of society, who was the brokers, who was the

503
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: least educated, Who was the one that you know that

504
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: were the poorest in all of those aspects that lacks

505
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: status black people? And so we basically got acts pinned

506
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: on us, even though we got it from Europeans and

507
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: who still use it today. Do you see him saying,

508
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm side Wait a minute, this is the point this

509
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: I gotta stop you because this is the point where

510
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: we all get up in run around the room. This

511
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: is the part where we get up and we run,

512
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: we yeah into a corner and we shout for a

513
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: few minutes. Run I gets said a little bit Jill too, though,

514
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: because you know what those sons I get sad. I

515
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: was just saying the age of Jill, I was like

516
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: a class like yours. Knowledge like this should be fundamental

517
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: in every school that has a lack of every school,

518
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: not even black or brown, because I feel like the

519
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: immigrants and everybody else who comes here don't understand this,

520
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: don't get like you need to get all of this,

521
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: like this is the country that this is the country

522
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: that you live in. And I'm just sad because I'm like, man,

523
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: if people had this information, that empowerment, that you would

524
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: feel like the you wouldn't question yourself. So more. Let's

525
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: also talk about how we wield the grammar police, how

526
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: the grammar police wield this power on that. Yeah, we

527
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: do this to one another, you and I, but but

528
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: but there's something about it, even not knowing the details

529
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that feel wrong, there's something about it because even if

530
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: we can even pull up respectability of all types like

531
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you will see on the socials, don't you remember a

532
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: time when we used to do this and we used

533
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: to do that, And these were times when it was

534
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: acceptable to jack up little black kids and make them

535
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: wear certain clothes and make them say certain words, and

536
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: make them act a certain way when they are in

537
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: the presence of white folks. But we didn't. They don't

538
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: know that, they don't know, they don't know. There was

539
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: training for that, you know, there was training for artists.

540
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: You had to go through media training to learn how

541
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: to speak you know, um, there was a certain etiquette

542
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: that you had to carry, you know, thinking back to

543
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: like the Supremes, what we're seeing today is is far

544
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: different from what you know they were portraying now in

545
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the house, they were a whole of the people. And

546
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I can't say, you know, like

547
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: when we think of artists like Whitney Houston, you know,

548
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: holding yourself in you know, for so long, and the

549
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: bawd tends to break you feel me, Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

550
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: we're looking we're looking at a lot of evidence of

551
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: what happens when you have to consistently suppress the self

552
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: in language and behavior, in and and everything. When you

553
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: talked about how there's a borrowing from us that happens,

554
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: and then it immediately becomes like American culture when you know,

555
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, we don't get credit, like we just don't

556
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: get credit. Said once the singer Time said how he

557
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: was talking about how if he sang um saying if

558
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: he's saying the same song will be considered gospel and

559
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: relegated to a specific type of on or a time

560
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: of day. It would just be seen differently. And but

561
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: if a non black singer, a white singer sings and

562
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: then it's spiritual, it's a different kind of vibe, Like

563
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: they get to experiment with it in a way that

564
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: sometimes and I don't know if this is true, and

565
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you certainly would be in a more um informed perspective

566
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: to speak on it, but sometimes it seems like with

567
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: black artists, black intellectuals, black public figures, we have to

568
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: manage our blackness. Like it's not even just like walk

569
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: out the door and just be black. You have to

570
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: figure out how black and each situation do we really

571
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: want to be. And I'm just wondering, like I just

572
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: don't see that being an issue for our white counterparts.

573
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't see it being something that they have to say,

574
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: like how white can I be? Right now? Unless you're racist?

575
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: And that's a whole different conversation, but you know, they

576
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: are doing the whole how black can I be? You know,

577
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: what's it called black fishing or something like that. There's

578
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: always quite a lot of that, but they're is um

579
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: like Nat King Cole. You know, he was considered quite eloquent.

580
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: Maya Angelou was considered quite eloquent. Um Felicia Rashod is

581
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: considered quite eloquent. There was something for me about uh, specifically,

582
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: I loved the the addiction. Addiction was exciting to me.

583
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: I wanted that for myself. When I read James Baldwin,

584
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: he was very eloquent and very awful, but also exceptionally

585
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: black asks, you know, which was was incredible. But then

586
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: you have Zorneil Hurston, and you've got Tony Morrison and

587
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: Jay California Cooper, who could who could sit themselves in

588
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: the belly of a community and sound like the people,

589
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: and when you read it, you heard, you heard, and

590
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: you could smell and taste you know, um, the community.

591
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Is there something wrong with with people who enjoyed action?

592
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you should ask that because two

593
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: things tied together, something that you just said, and also

594
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: a minute ago we were talking about the wise and

595
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: the course in more schools. Ironically, my Angelo, along with

596
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, a few of the community leaders, when there

597
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: was an initiative in the nineteen eighties to have what

598
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: they then but they then called ebonics, but having black

599
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: speech and Black English integrated into the curriculum in order

600
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: to help black children better understand other subjects but mostly English,

601
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: like using it as a bridge. And it was the

602
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: community who not only shut it down but demonized it

603
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: to the point where people became embarrassed and ashamed of

604
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: just the term. You know, when they needed better pr Son,

605
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: the pr on a bonics was it was. It was.

606
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, it wasn't like your linguists. It wasn't

607
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: like this is the history. That's likely because and this

608
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: is just the facts, and in certain certain spaces, the

609
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: fact that Son is a teacher as an instructor at Harvard,

610
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: the fact that he's associated with a p w Y

611
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: and this is something he's teaching in that space, will

612
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: legitimize it in ways that it wouldn't have been legitimized before.

613
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Saying that, you don't think people like that were involved

614
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: in any bonics. Many of the issues with the Bonic's

615
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: controversy was most of the criticism wasn't coming linguists. It

616
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: was more activists, people who yeah, it wasn't it wasn't

617
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: There wasn't a thing they're cohesive, you know, coming together,

618
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: people sitting down. But again Jessie jactly called the trash.

619
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: He said that the black speeches trash. He literally used

620
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: the term trash for the way to speak. And these

621
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: are the people who were seen as mostly of the

622
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: articulate people. They absolutely associated black speech with, um, you know,

623
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: being with the negativity. There was a Sesame Street character

624
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: that they tried to integrate Sentame Street and integrate some

625
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: of the black speech, and and again we got it

626
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: shut down. And this has happened multiple times where the

627
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: respectable folk in our community shut down efforts to incorporate

628
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: our manner of speech as an outreach for children in schools.

629
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: And so people would ask me sometimes not so you know,

630
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: uh as in a gotcha type of way. There was

631
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: so why are you at Harvard and not insert black

632
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: university here Harvard Coble Right. I'm just gonna say I

633
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: had the privilege of of teaching one class at Harvard,

634
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was at the hardwarts of education.

635
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: You supposed to, That's what they pay for, they were.

636
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: You would feel like that it's bound into nice. Well,

637
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and the thing is, I rolled out the invitation.

638
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: I said that while I am teaching at Harvard. I

639
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Speaker 1: would be more than happy to workshops are late to

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Speaker 1: you know if at of school and some people took

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00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: me and taking me up on it. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: if you want me to give you any kind of

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Speaker 1: insights on teaching the language, any anything, Holt so have

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Speaker 1: no wait no no no wait no no no sign. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: no school or institution has reached out to you. Right now,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna call it out more North Carolina A and

647
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Speaker 1: T Florida A and M and school y'all at and

648
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: not just college colleges with school systems. I'm like the

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Speaker 1: school system. And well what Harvard whatever that at? Oh no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: here's here's the surprisingly. Harvard is a program called Project Teach.

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00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: In that program, there's an outreach for Cambridge area schools.

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00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: And so what I would end up teaching, say seventh

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Speaker 1: seventh graders UM in Cambridge area schools, and that would

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Speaker 1: be UM school for students who speak English is a

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00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: second language UM students from public schools. So I do

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Speaker 1: that in Cambridge, in Cambridge and so speaking, collaborating with

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00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: other programs. I have worked with other schools Princeton, Listen,

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00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: come on, I'm going to get mad. I'm getting mad.

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00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: More conversation after the break. Can I ask a question?

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00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: Here's I have a question? I have a question? Alright,

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: So one on the good people's social media's. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times we have situations where and I've

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00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: seen this on Twitter with black folks getting upset sometimes

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00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: with us explaining how to interpret certain black expressions or

665
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: or or ways of saying things. Feeling as if we're

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00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: giving away these trade secrets, this moment where we where

667
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: we can kind of secretly talk to each other. So

668
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the gate keeping of our language?

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00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I want to imagine this, okay, um, one of the

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Speaker 1: most common influences that people point to as an exceptional

671
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: sort of thing that can help you improve as the singers,

672
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: like having a church background. That's what we in our

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00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: community is always having a church background. Okay, Jill. When

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Speaker 1: you're doing your concerts, do you count how many white

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Speaker 1: people are in the audience, possibly learning the runs that

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Speaker 1: you're singing. Yeah, when when you're singing your vocals, Yeah,

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00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: they're they're listening to you sing your vocals. They're listening

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00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: to the bass players played bass. They're listening to the

679
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: drummers play the drums, they're listening to the teacher's teach,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're in their omnipresent. We live in a

681
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: white power structure and they're just going to be white

682
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: people everywhere and watching and observing. And you have to

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00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: figure out how do I give my gift or share

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: this gift with my community to the broadest in the

685
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Speaker 1: broadest manner possible and not expose it to anyone else

686
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: When the most expansive way for me to do that

687
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: is in person in public. On the internet, there's just

688
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: no way to get around that. And and as of now,

689
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: if you look at who's going viral in these social

690
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: media posts, when you just know when the drum major

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Speaker 1: Okay goes viral for doing doing the dance that all black,

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Speaker 1: every black drum drum agent their mama know how to do,

693
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: they're white. You know, when somebody covers there will be

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Speaker 1: people who will cover a black artist's song and the

695
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: cover does better than the original because a white person

696
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: covered it. There are more. It used to be unique

697
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to be like the blue eyed soul singer like that

698
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: used to be like a thing um you know that

699
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: people thought was unique. But now how many people can

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Speaker 1: you count now or not black, whether be they Korean

701
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: or white or some who can do these runs? Who

702
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: can who hold these notes because they're watching us perform

703
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: our craft. They're watching and learning, playing and replay play, replay, play,

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00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: replay and practicing in the mirror being us when they

705
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: grow up. And so there's no way that we can

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00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: really circumvent them completely from the process. But what I

707
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: do try to add is you can't really fake culture

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00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: like you can't really you need cultural context for a

709
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: thing to make sense. And I'll give you an example

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00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: right now. A term that is a trendy sort of

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00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: so called internet um slang term is cat. If somebody

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00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: said that's cap, no cap is cap okay. The term

713
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: cap has been first of all, being used since the

714
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: turn of last century in the black community as high hat.

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00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: So if somebody has if you're wearing a top hat

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Speaker 1: or a high hat and you tip your high hat,

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00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: that's for sophisticated people. That's what the people who are,

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00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, well healed. So if someone who wasn't from

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Speaker 1: that background thought that you were being pretentious or thought

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00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: that you were, you know, friend high had, there's a

721
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: little high had negrow here like you know, you know,

722
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: being trying to high and so from high hat it

723
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: became high cap, and from high cap it was abbreviated

724
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Speaker 1: to cat. And so these these people are now saying

725
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: that something is a general term and in general internet

726
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: speaks like it belongs to everyone that's actually been in

727
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: our family since mama's. Mama was saying, and the same

728
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: thing if I say, um, like if we if we

729
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: saw something that looked good or we wanted to compliment something, Um,

730
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: if I see your your sneakers, and sometimes man im

731
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: sneak is hard, bro sneak is hard. They were saying

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Speaker 1: that back in cab Calawais days, like even in cab

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00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: Calawas book Isms in his dictionary, hard is used in

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Speaker 1: cab calaways Days the same manner, not the these are

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00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: are grandmother's great grandmother's times using words that have been

736
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: in our community. We've been saying key, we've been saying that,

737
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: We've been saying hit, we've been saying dig, we've been

738
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Speaker 1: using cat. Oh God, they've whiting the hell out of bro.

739
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, it's not our words have been

740
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: so h immersed into popular language that it ain't in

741
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: the slang them like. People don't even look at it.

742
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: It's sla it's so normalized. So it puts us in

743
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: a precarious, you know, situation because they're gonna hear this

744
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: conversation right now when this gets published. We're trying to

745
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: figure it out. But you're so right. There's no safe space.

746
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Every every everyone, everybody going here right. I have just

747
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: one of my videos has eleven million views, and you

748
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself, Wait a minute, if just one

749
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Speaker 1: video gets eleven millions, and that doesn't include like all

750
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: the other videos, what would you do if you could

751
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: tell a eleven million people something like if if there

752
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: was a thing that you could say and eleven million

753
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: people were guaranteed to hear, and what would it be?

754
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: But people don't know what's gonna go viral in advance.

755
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: So to me, I try to if if you if

756
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: you stay ready, you gotta get ready. I try to

757
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: make sure that when I opened my mouth and say

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00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: something in front of that camera and put it out

759
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: into the world, that I'm okay with whatever it is

760
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: going viral or whatever it is going where everything to go.

761
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable pressing play in any room anywhere that thing

762
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: is is found because you never know where it's gonna land.

763
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: And I just can't. I can't be the one women do?

764
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Women do? I've felt similar ways. Had to ask you

765
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: because I think we always find ourselves in these moments

766
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: were like, oh gosh, they will steal, they will twist, turn,

767
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: dilute and in all of the above, and there's always

768
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: an inner conversation that's just not just how black am

769
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I going to be because of my full of internalized

770
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: anti blackness? But how black am I gonna be? Am

771
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I going to allow you to have access to me?

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00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: The one thing I feel like I can keep, Well,

773
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: if you think about it this way, and in a

774
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: sense you will. You you carry yourself in a way

775
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: that if somebody did copy you or they try to,

776
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, do what you do, it will be obviously

777
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing, yea. And so you look silly

778
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: trying to do me like everybody self may you're doing.

779
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: You're just trying to do so on so you're righten

780
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: off this person that person like you. They know what

781
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: you're doing when you're doing it. And to me, like

782
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: we set the bar of excellence at a place where um,

783
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: it's one of those you can get with this, if

784
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: you can get with that, you know, type of situations,

785
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: and there's something something you can't do anything about, Like

786
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: you can't do anything about them having the raw numbers.

787
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: They just simply make up so much of the population

788
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: that they decide to buy something mediocre. That's not an

789
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: indictment of your product. Your product is excellent. But you

790
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: know what they didn't They wasn't here for the spice.

791
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Every everybody can't do spipe for some people salting pepper

792
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: and spicy, and they're not They're not here for what

793
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: you're doing. And that's okay because Frankie Beverly and May's

794
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: are legends and our community. That's right. Her brothers are

795
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: legends to us. So there's plenty of people who are

796
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: royalty to us that ain't got a cross suit as far.

797
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: And and so I go line. Now when I when

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00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I see you know, like Beyonce, you know, cover like

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00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: one of you know, Frankie Beverly Mays like song, I

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00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, please don't let them. Don't let

801
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: them they're let them fight out of them. Don't let

802
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: him find out about babies, Like, oh man, they're they're

803
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: going into the catalog. Now a lot of grand children.

804
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: Let them get fed. I get the feeling. But but

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00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: the thing is, I think that at some point in

806
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: time we pretty much have to like gatekeeping is not

807
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: meant to keep us out, like when it gets to

808
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: the point where we're cutting off our nose despite their face,

809
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: taking the wrong team. And so don't come in to

810
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: a black educators post and be like, nah, brother, you're

811
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: giving away that secret. Don't say that. Let don't do that.

812
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: Don't do that, because they already made Uncle Rebus, they

813
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: already put out Disney already had Tom and Jerry already

814
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: has Thomas. You we get brought, you know, they already

815
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: got the stereotypical black maid. They already have the stereotypical

816
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: black slave. Speak there. That cat, that horse has to

817
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: go on a long time ago. So we're not stopping

818
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: them from hearing us speak when they're part of the

819
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: reason we speak this way. Mm hmm. So think about that.

820
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: Like Creoles, especially particularly Creoles such as as Jamaican paths

821
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: you know him and Creole English in a Beijian Creole Gola.

822
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: These are languages that came about by way of that

823
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: were born of colonialists, that were born of struggle and

824
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: were merged with languages of the oppressor and holding onto

825
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: the identity of our ancestors, and so they're not secrets

826
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: their languages. That came about because we had to be

827
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: able to communicate with the oppressor, but we also stratified

828
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: the languages to keep a little something for ourselves. And

829
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: so I'll teach up to a limit and the rest

830
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: of it is reserved for what's in the room. If

831
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: we're having this exact same conversation in the same room offline,

832
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit more cold. Okay, this

833
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: is you know, to hear it, Yeah, to make sure

834
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: to normalize it, but still honor. We need the information.

835
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: Something has to be sacred, am Yeah, you know your yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're going to stop being ourselves because we don't want

837
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Speaker 1: anybody to copy us. Right. Well, there's a thing that's

838
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: naturally I don't I don't know very many people who

839
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: are wanted to present the same in every single situation.

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00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: So like, naturally speaking, I might say so even even

841
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: with my siblings, I might say something to one siblom

842
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't really say to another. Like we've got

843
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: different styles of conversations personality type and so sometimes um,

844
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: somebody asked me the other day you said, well, well,

845
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: if this is where you actually normally saw it, how

846
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: come you, um colt switch? You know why white you?

847
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: The way that there was phrase was essentially like you

848
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: count down to the white man. But what you know,

849
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: but what they haven't taken into consideration is to me,

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Speaker 1: a personal thing. It's an intimate thing. But I am

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Speaker 1: You gotta be from Charles you even you from Charleston,

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Speaker 1: the low country. You gotta be from somebody easy And

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Speaker 1: you know I had a life for West. Actually West

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Speaker 1: actually is right next to um in Charleston County, Anther. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like brown from touchdown. He said, you tucked down. So

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Speaker 1: we started talking. Then as soon as we start talking,

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Speaker 1: turned out to be all of us. We're standing, we're

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Speaker 1: using our I don't know, business accent and and we

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Speaker 1: Once it was it was clear what was up. But

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Speaker 1: I've even even had that happen in situations where there

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Speaker 1: and it's just different comfort levels, whether you're angry, whether

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Speaker 1: you're you're in a good mood. Like differently, we speak

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Speaker 1: differently at different times. It's not selling out to use

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Speaker 1: all of who you are, speak with all the people are.

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Speaker 1: If you want to reach with an audience, um, there's

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Speaker 1: a there's sometimes when you might sing like like there's

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Speaker 1: Messian animal. Maybe you just want to sing straight straight

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you don't want to a revival like

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Speaker 1: maybe that, maybe that ain't the mursion you're going for.

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Speaker 1: You just want to think it streak down the line,

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Speaker 1: and you should be able to do that. And so

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Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. Is my goal isn't

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Speaker 1: help you be as comfortable as possible being your authentic self.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you feel that is, whatever however you want to

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Speaker 1: express yourself because you were you. At the end of

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Speaker 1: concept of race as an identity as many people would

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Speaker 1: think I am, because white supremacist created and so to

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Speaker 1: here's the cruel irony is that in to some extent,

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Speaker 1: you stripped our identity, our original I didn't need away

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Speaker 1: we've had to get through all sorts of struggles and

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Speaker 1: And that was with us all along. That was a

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Speaker 1: part of the thing that was with us all along.

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Speaker 1: And so we're trauma bonding with an identity, but that

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Speaker 1: was never meant to be our own, you see what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so now that that separation is very,

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Speaker 1: very very difficult to do, because then we have to

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Speaker 1: ask ourselves with what am I if not that? And

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Speaker 1: in school, right, I don't know that Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: you very much. Let me go and get some full back.

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Speaker 1: I have some I need to have ointments. And it

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Speaker 1: has been a pleasure to hear you're you're thinking out loud.

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure, thank you, to carry yourself in

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Speaker 1: for sharing what you know, for caring about what you know,

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Speaker 1: that you and yours communicate with each other. Hi, if

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