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Speaker 1: From the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hanss, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler heroes both are
Speaker 1: here as well, and it is the week for preview
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Speaker 1: the Wednesday show, including Chief Jets SNF. There is a
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Speaker 1: x get in. Price for Chiefs Jets jumped forty three
Speaker 1: percent from eighty three dollars to one nineteen on the
Speaker 1: secondary market after it was reported that Taylor Swift would
Speaker 1: likely attend. Whoa.
Speaker 3: I mean, we just had a you know, before the show.
Speaker 3: We don't just roll in here and start the show
Speaker 3: in two minutes. There's a lot of pre showed chatter
Speaker 3: and we were debating the whole tailors thing, which I
Speaker 3: think probably annoys some of our hardcore like football fans,
Speaker 3: but it is of interest to us.
Speaker 1: That's okay, But what does that have to I don't
Speaker 1: know you're supposed to That was like.
Speaker 4: A big salteam cracker with nothing on it. Give me
Speaker 4: a little what I just said. What's your point.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's having a because I
Speaker 3: think it's like it is quietly a massive NFL story,
Speaker 3: because we talked about yesterday that Jersey sales for Travis
Speaker 3: Kelcey have blown up, and that means it's people that
Speaker 3: didn't care about Travis kelce a week ago, now they do.
Speaker 3: And it's bringing like this new fan piece of the
Speaker 3: pie into the NFL world, and.
Speaker 4: So the NFL loves it.
Speaker 1: Here's my prediction. Let's take out like Week one or whatever.
Speaker 1: But actually there's Sunday Night football is never Week one.
Speaker 3: But how about that.
Speaker 1: I think this this game and I don't really need
Speaker 1: to see that game get too many extra eyeballs on it,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be don't look up, gonna do the
Speaker 1: biggest number of the year. It's because all the swifties
Speaker 1: are gonna tune in, especially the beginning of the telecast
Speaker 1: monster number, and you're gonna have Richard Deitsch and all
Speaker 1: the other media people, marshand our buddy from the Post.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be talking about that, and that maybe will
Speaker 1: deflect some of the actual agony. Connected to the football game.
Speaker 1: How many total lock it up? That's my prediction.
Speaker 3: How many total minutes of Taylor Swift do you get
Speaker 3: airtime on the show. It's not you know, you can't.
Speaker 3: No one's gonna be satisfied all these people with you know,
Speaker 3: eighty seconds of cut away the entire time. It's gonna
Speaker 3: have to be minutes on minutes.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have her in a secondary box because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a thirty five point game by third quarter, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's any two American men who can handle
Speaker 5: this with like the coolest of ways. It's Mike Turico
Speaker 5: and Chris Coms just be seamless.
Speaker 1: I don't know there she might be a little too
Speaker 1: mainstream for them. You know, I could picture Trico and
Speaker 1: Collinsworth and like CBGB's in seventy eight. You know those
Speaker 1: guys are punks, all right, So.
Speaker 3: Collins where it's like a camper van Beethoven.
Speaker 1: Finn't I don't get the rep I went deep.
Speaker 4: You'll go check it out.
Speaker 1: I will. Today we're going to go through all of
Speaker 1: the Sunday games, not like I said, and on primetime
Speaker 1: we do a draft style. Greg will have the first pick, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the number one pick of the
Speaker 1: week presented by Draft Kings. And this is the and
Speaker 1: it just worked out for old Gregy. It did, Oh, Greg,
Speaker 1: last step in the poop? You know, why do they
Speaker 1: say that you step in the poop? But it's good luck?
Speaker 1: Isn't that like a thing.
Speaker 4: I would prefer not? That's bad luck?
Speaker 1: And I think it means that something good is going
Speaker 1: to happen you. Or maybe that's when a bird relieves
Speaker 1: itself on you. It doesn't matter. Greg's very lucky boy jargon.
Speaker 1: So now he will take with the first overall pick.
Speaker 5: The Miami Dolphins heading to the Buffalo Bills. Hello, Jim
Speaker 5: Nance Tony Romo. It was pretty easy to take this
Speaker 5: first overall. I was excited.
Speaker 4: Whenever that the Bills are two and a half point
Speaker 4: favorites in this game. The total.
Speaker 5: Is fifty three and a half, which you know and
Speaker 5: carry the one that's sixteen and a half less than
Speaker 5: the Dolphins scored by themselves last week. And I thought
Speaker 5: about locking this game up for the Bills, getting bold
Speaker 5: because I do think this can be a reminder for
Speaker 5: everyone that Buffalo has because the Dolphins are the story
Speaker 5: of the NFL right now that we're a different Bills team.
Speaker 5: We've been in a lot of big time games, and
Speaker 5: they are different because they're a run first team. I
Speaker 5: don't know about like they're going to have a high
Speaker 5: run percentage, but they do have the highest two tight
Speaker 5: end percentage in the entire NFL.
Speaker 4: That's down through three weeks.
Speaker 5: Some of these numbers matter more to me, and they're
Speaker 5: fourth in the NFL and explosive run rate. They've been
Speaker 5: doing these long slow drives. It is a very different
Speaker 5: Bills offense and it's going again a different Dolphins defense,
Speaker 5: which has just been their twenty first in Dvoa. They
Speaker 5: haven't been great, but what they do is give up long,
Speaker 5: slow drives. So I do think offensively, the Bills are
Speaker 5: more prepared this year than they have in past years
Speaker 5: to slow down in offense like the Dolphins, and we
Speaker 5: can get to that side of the ball, but they
Speaker 5: can slow them down partly with these long, slow offensive drives.
Speaker 5: And I really think I've been impressed by the way
Speaker 5: Josh Allen's played in the way.
Speaker 4: They've been running the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean James Cook, I think rather quietly second
Speaker 3: among running backs in yardage to completely Christian McCaffrey, like
Speaker 3: he's looked great three weeks in a row. That is
Speaker 3: a new element to their offense. I mean it had
Speaker 3: them last year, but it's like you're getting this version
Speaker 3: of them. They're doing it with a lead to which
Speaker 3: impresses me, Like I'm with you on the fact that
Speaker 3: their offense if you get like the and I get
Speaker 3: a little tired of this, like which version of Josh
Speaker 3: Allen will you get? But to be honest, like he
Speaker 3: kind of blew the game against the Jets, And it's
Speaker 3: like if they get into a situation where Miami's offense
Speaker 3: is using its speed against a Bill's defense that is
Speaker 3: really stout even without von Miller, but not a super
Speaker 3: fast defense. I mean, I know what defense is out
Speaker 3: there that can deal with Miami speed.
Speaker 4: And like there are these amazing.
Speaker 3: Clips out there that show you know, you've got Raheem
Speaker 3: Mostart running right up the center of the field and
Speaker 3: like four or five Broncos players like looking like they're
Speaker 3: asleep on the grass, like they're napping, like they're snoozing,
Speaker 3: and it's like that's what they do, and they demoralize
Speaker 3: Denver so quickly to bad defense this is a different
Speaker 3: Bills defense that leads the NFL with nine takeaways twelve sacks.
Speaker 3: Again without von Miller, Leonard Floyd's been really big for them.
Speaker 3: And there was a question like Kenshawn McDermott head coach
Speaker 3: and also call the defense adequately to great, and it's
Speaker 3: been great so far. So it's at least the Dolphins
Speaker 3: getting I think a real test this time after last
Speaker 3: week's apocalypse for Denver.
Speaker 1: So the Dolphins Week one out of their minds, Week
Speaker 1: three out of their minds. The Bills are saying, well,
Speaker 1: week two against the Patriots, they were efficient. They think
Speaker 1: they had over four hundred yards, right.
Speaker 5: GREGI yeah, but a couple unforced theirs and the driver
Speaker 5: that the Patriots really weren't the ones that made him stop, right.
Speaker 1: But it's the old Rocky fourth thing. The Russian's been cut.
Speaker 1: He is a man, he bleeds, and it's not like
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have rolled through all three weeks unstoppable. So
Speaker 1: I think the Bills are looking at that. I think
Speaker 1: you nailed that, Greg with your comment that the Bills
Speaker 1: have to do what they can do, which is control
Speaker 1: the pace of this game. The defense has to be opportunistic,
Speaker 1: they just got to slow down this machine because you know,
Speaker 1: Miami's playing obviously with a lot of confidence, and you
Speaker 1: got to get too uncomfortable. That has been a big
Speaker 1: part of this too, is just sitting back there, I think,
Speaker 1: don think ding ding.
Speaker 4: D How did you do it?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 4: It's so tough when he gets rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: So fast, right, And that's part of it, And there
Speaker 1: are ways to defend that. I would imagine, to kind
Speaker 1: of clamp down on the receivers, but again, these aren't
Speaker 1: normal receivers. As is wattleback this week. I think he's practiced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's going to be an added challenge. But the Bills, yeah,
Speaker 1: they need to somehow find a way to disrupt the
Speaker 1: flow of this Miami offense because we've seen it. We
Speaker 1: saw it last year. This offense is not impervious. Like
Speaker 1: if you knock them off their kilter and get them
Speaker 1: kind of misaligned, they can struggle for even weeks at
Speaker 1: a time. And I kind of like the Bills in
Speaker 1: this spot. I think I respect the Dolphins what they've done,
Speaker 1: but I think Buffalo is really course corrected well here
Speaker 1: in these last two weeks. They're playing very well on
Speaker 1: both sides of ball. I love the way Josh Allen
Speaker 1: and Stefan Diggs are working together right now, and I
Speaker 1: think this is a bit I think this is the
Speaker 1: Bills game. I think they're going to take a little
Speaker 1: wind out of the sales of the Dolphins this week.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm always a little worried when we're
Speaker 5: all on the same page, or maybe we're not all,
Speaker 5: but Dan and I are on the same page here
Speaker 5: because this is a different Dolphins offense. I'm really excited
Speaker 5: to see how their run game moves forward. And to me,
Speaker 5: that's the biggest change this year from last is how
Speaker 5: in sync this running game is. And that's what Mike
Speaker 5: McDaniel does well. But to me, the one stat that
Speaker 5: explains more than anything else, if you just want to
Speaker 5: understand why the Dolphins are who the Dolphins are, is
Speaker 5: that Tua has the fastest time to throw in the
Speaker 5: NFL and also has the highest air yards per attempt
Speaker 5: in the NFL. That's just a math problem that kind
Speaker 5: of breaks your brain, and it breaks defenses. He throws
Speaker 5: at the quickest and he throws at the deepest, and
Speaker 5: he's going against a defense on paper that is as
Speaker 5: well set up to stop him as any defense in
Speaker 5: the NFL, because they've been together for five or six years.
Speaker 4: You got Mike Hyde who's playing great.
Speaker 5: Poyer maybe not so much, but they've been together a
Speaker 5: long time and they're designed to prevent big plays. And
Speaker 5: we'll see if that can happen. Right now, Tua in
Speaker 5: his passing EPA is the highest through three weeks since
Speaker 5: Tom Brady's in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: And that's the kind of offense this offense has been
Speaker 4: so far. Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely working. And I would point to something. I
Speaker 3: know we're in a different era than we were back
Speaker 3: in the day, but Tyreek Hill has six one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty plus yard games in twenty appearances with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: Mark Clayton, Dolphins legend had eight, and I'm not astray
Speaker 3: he had eight and one hundred and forty six and
Speaker 3: that was with Dan Marino. So it's like that was
Speaker 3: a high octane offensive.
Speaker 1: Just put Dan Reno on this offense and see, you
Speaker 1: know what would happen.
Speaker 3: He had a quick release too. I mean like that
Speaker 3: he avoided a lot of sacks. But it's like it's
Speaker 3: like you, how do you? I I can see what
Speaker 3: the Bills did to Sam Howell last week, and they've
Speaker 3: been dominant two weeks in a row. But it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure anyone can do it to the Dolphins now.
Speaker 5: I think they're even then fifty three seems low, like
Speaker 5: as the total like it for all, I'm saying that
Speaker 5: it's a different Bills offense. He slowed the game down,
Speaker 5: the defense is better. I still think you got to
Speaker 5: win like twenty nine to twenty six. It's not gonna
Speaker 5: be something where you keep them down.
Speaker 3: Dolphins are one and eleven in Buffalo in their last
Speaker 3: twelve games. It's like, but last year, even in that,
Speaker 3: like in the playoff game, with a deep seated, distant
Speaker 3: quarterback not your starter, they gave him battle.
Speaker 4: Again either, Tompson almost took him out right.
Speaker 1: The Bills weren't quite right by the end of last
Speaker 1: season either. I mean, you had obviously the Hamlet situation.
Speaker 1: You saw what happened the following week, and since an
Speaker 1: I feel spot here. It is.
Speaker 3: It's not a terrible spot, but it's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: what the Dolphins said less than a week ago is historic.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not I'm not gonna kind of feel like
Speaker 3: this ain't the Broncos, no more, it isn't. But come
Speaker 3: show me that you can stop this team.
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Speaker 4: But you guys aren't allowed to watch this at all? Oh,
Speaker 4: we just me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually it's super annoying because I was trying to maneuver that,
Speaker 1: like how do I do it? But this damn NFL
Speaker 1: schedules drive me nuts this year so far, we have
Speaker 1: another Sunday where there's only three late games nine, so
Speaker 1: we're getting pelted here where we have to all split
Speaker 1: those games up, so there's no way to really keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that game, which is a damn shame.
Speaker 1: And again, bully to you, Greg, you really stepped in it,
Speaker 1: which I think means good luck.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound good, all right, big news.
Speaker 1: Second, overall, pick, there's a trade, first time this season.
Speaker 4: I'm always suspicious of these trades when I'm not involved.
Speaker 1: Why should you? I actually was planning to maybe make
Speaker 1: an offer to you for today. Wouldn't it like a
Speaker 1: godfather offer? But I was like, you know what, No, I.
Speaker 4: Would have thought about it because there is one intriguing
Speaker 4: late game.
Speaker 1: I know. After I heard what you said before the show,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I should offer two number ones?
Speaker 1: All right? So anyway, Dan sends the number two overall
Speaker 1: pick today and the number four overall pick next week
Speaker 1: to Mark Sessler, who sends me back today's number three
Speaker 1: overall pick in next week's number two pick from Mark.
Speaker 3: So like, So I got a text from Dan about this, Okay.
Speaker 3: I didn't even look at the terms because it's like like,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Mark got no premium whatsoever?
Speaker 1: Oh Mark got a premium? Oh Mark PREVIOUM, what's your pick? Mark?
Speaker 3: I guess I get. I do get to pick this game.
Speaker 3: That is a what a what a treat? I'm going
Speaker 3: to go Baltimore at Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That's the premium.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I see they're like, you know that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't have taken that. This isn't one week.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you would have.
Speaker 1: I absolutely That's why I traded the pick. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: well there's no high value number three pick for me. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I bully to me. I stepped in whatever it is
Speaker 1: people are step in.
Speaker 4: That's fair, that's fair. I like this game, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: know you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of like it for for the Ravens
Speaker 3: reasons too. I watched them last week and that in
Speaker 3: the Colts game, and like, uh, I don't know, We're
Speaker 3: three weeks into the season and I am not totally
Speaker 3: sold on this Ravens offense. I mean, I think you
Speaker 3: got you got flashes of Lamar Jackson reminding you that
Speaker 3: the fire is still there and burning, burning bright, that
Speaker 3: there is these moments of excellence.
Speaker 1: Well you heard the Lamarmie after week two, they just
Speaker 1: go nuts as soon as Lamar has a big week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's sandwich those that one big game
Speaker 1: now with.
Speaker 3: Kind of like, I'm not in the Lamarmie, like I
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you are.
Speaker 4: No, I'm more suspicious of anything else.
Speaker 1: It was Okay, that was a direct shot right at
Speaker 1: the bow of Rosenthal.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Week one, I don't know least I think he struggled
Speaker 5: week one. Last week was there was a lot going on.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing I'm seeing this like this, this offense making
Speaker 3: mistakes a couple of games Lamar Jackson with some terrible
Speaker 3: fumbles and ball control issues. I think also the way
Speaker 3: that they crumbled on third and fourth down last week
Speaker 3: in key situations where it was like, I get it,
Speaker 3: it's a rookie receiver. I think Zave Flowers has a
Speaker 3: great future, but there were some bad drops. Mark Andrews
Speaker 3: has not really gotten he wasn't active Week one, but
Speaker 3: he's not really gotten unhooked in this offense at this
Speaker 3: point in general, just like do you really trust them
Speaker 3: to go damage people? They had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 3: I think if you if you want to say why
Speaker 3: things can change, uh, Ronnie Stanley's practicing, Tyler Linderbaum's practicing.
Speaker 4: They were down Williams six of eleven starters, right.
Speaker 3: So they've done what they've done. They've done what they've
Speaker 3: done with injuries. I get that, but this is a
Speaker 3: different Browns defense. And even Cleveland during Milk Toast seasons,
Speaker 3: they've had at least one game against Baltimore where they
Speaker 3: kind of like your division opponent, you know who they are,
Speaker 3: and they showed they know who the Ravens were and
Speaker 3: like this is a different attack. But I think Cleveland
Speaker 3: what they're doing right now, and we've talked about it
Speaker 3: a lot, it's kind of crazy. They've forced three and
Speaker 3: outs on sixty one point five percent of opponent drives.
Speaker 3: That's obviously the most in the NFL. They've allowed one
Speaker 3: touchdown all season. They basically last week against Tennessee what
Speaker 3: Tennessee accumulated in an entire game other teams do in
Speaker 3: like two or three drives. It's like they just find
Speaker 3: a way to shut them down. And we talked on
Speaker 3: we talked yesterday about just the way that Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: now has been unleashed by Jim Schwartz because you've got
Speaker 3: Zadarius Smith and help around them. It's just dangerous. And
Speaker 3: I really don't know how Baltimore deals with this. It's
Speaker 3: like it's kind of like the reverse of dealing with
Speaker 3: Miami's offense. It's like, show me that you can go
Speaker 3: put it on Cleveland's defense. I don't know if this
Speaker 3: version of where the Ravens are, maybe it's gonna take
Speaker 3: them a couple more weeks or even a month plus
Speaker 3: to kind of see what this offense is but I
Speaker 3: just don't trust them to go four quarters and outmatch
Speaker 3: the Browns.
Speaker 5: I think the Browns should be pleased with the schedule makers.
Speaker 5: They're catching the Ravens now sure, and like they could
Speaker 5: be three and zero in their division. They probably should
Speaker 5: have won that Steelers game. They didn't, but they could
Speaker 5: be two and one in the division. It's not just
Speaker 5: that the Ravens are forming and the and the Browns
Speaker 5: are coming out like a house on fire.
Speaker 4: It's the injury situation. Even if you get those two.
Speaker 5: Offensive linemen back, Bateman's out of practice, obj Is out
Speaker 5: of practice. They're the the linemen are coming back and
Speaker 5: they're not one hundred percent. Dobbins got a concussion, so
Speaker 5: you actually have three new injuries of starters not Dobbins,
Speaker 5: Gus Edwards obviously replacing Dobbins. And the matchup of snaps.
Speaker 5: This is always on my raider, this is my corner. Uh,
Speaker 5: that Roqwan Smith and Clowney and that Ravens team were
Speaker 5: on the field so long last week. Rokwan Smith played
Speaker 5: eighty four snaps. Last week, Miles Garrett and the Browns
Speaker 5: barely played. It was like a preseason game, thirty six
Speaker 5: snaps for Miles Garrett. That's more than double that the
Speaker 5: Ravens defense. And I'm not saying they're gonna come out tired.
Speaker 5: I think the Ravens have a chance in this game.
Speaker 5: But to me, the Browns are a little more fully
Speaker 5: formed right now. And I'm a little surprised they're not
Speaker 5: favored by more. What are they two and a half
Speaker 5: point favorites in this game. That's not a lot of
Speaker 5: respect for the early season.
Speaker 1: It was actually, yeah, Baltimore's offense was weird against the Colts.
Speaker 1: They scored a touchdown on the first drive, and then
Speaker 1: after that fumble punt, fumble, punt, punt punt, they scored
Speaker 1: a touchdown, field goal, punt punt miss field goal punt
Speaker 1: downs and there was very rarely can you boil And
Speaker 1: that was a very even back and forth game against
Speaker 1: the Colts. And again shout out to the Colts who
Speaker 1: are frisky.
Speaker 4: Wheel are backup quarterback in.
Speaker 1: There third and six at the indy forty four yard line,
Speaker 1: seven o eight to play in overtime and Lamar has
Speaker 1: a Flowers over the middle open I mean open open,
Speaker 1: and he completes that pass. Ravens win that game.
Speaker 5: It was or if they call the PI on the
Speaker 5: next play, which was even worse, wasn't it unless they punted.
Speaker 5: I'm mixing up the the non p I CA on
Speaker 5: the fourth down.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that and that's how slim the margin of
Speaker 1: error is. You know, you need your quarterback to hit
Speaker 1: that throw because Justin Tucker is not missing once they're
Speaker 1: inside the thirty there inside the forty, and so it's
Speaker 1: not like they had some type of miserable game overall.
Speaker 1: But the offense, yes, is inconsistent. And that's why I
Speaker 1: agree that the Browns are playing with so much confidence
Speaker 1: on defense and the way they're swarming right now Cleveland,
Speaker 1: that it's going to show me something, GREGI if Lamar
Speaker 1: can get right on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And this is, you know, to be fair, the
Speaker 5: best offense the Browns have played. They've played three offenses
Speaker 5: in offensive lines in particular, that have been terrible. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Bengals offense has kind of been a mess to
Speaker 5: start the season, that the Steelers and the Titans. Now
Speaker 5: the Browns have made all three of those teams look
Speaker 5: worse by far than they have against any other teams.
Speaker 5: But those are three really struggling offenses. This will be tougher.
Speaker 5: I'm also curious how the Browns offense looks. You really
Speaker 5: saw a transition away from the Nick Chubb offense last week.
Speaker 5: I think it was pretty clear they're second in the
Speaker 5: league and empty formations in terms of having you know,
Speaker 5: no one in the backfield with him and just spread
Speaker 5: it out. The fancy came out and he was just
Speaker 5: throwing it all against wall. It was like, you know,
Speaker 5: jet sweeps and trick plays and design runs for Watson
Speaker 5: and empty and Watson kind of going through and avoiding sacks.
Speaker 5: It was Watson's best game. Wasn't even a great game,
Speaker 5: but it was a good enough games pretty good and
Speaker 5: that's better.
Speaker 4: That's better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shook said the same thing. Or I watched it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not saying this is Texans Watson,
Speaker 1: but that was a big problem.
Speaker 5: He made some nice throws, avoided sacks really well. I
Speaker 5: think it's partly because he had one of the biggest
Speaker 5: bloopers since Aaron Brooks. That was insane, you know, just
Speaker 5: like that, that was that game. But you're right, other
Speaker 5: than that, he was quite good. So I'm can I'm
Speaker 5: watching that, like, let's see if that transition continues because
Speaker 5: there was a lot less under center run game. The
Speaker 5: run game stunk last week and it might struggle this
Speaker 5: week again.
Speaker 1: By the way, Elijah Moore doesn't happen for the Browns,
Speaker 1: it won't be for a lack of trying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are, they are.
Speaker 1: I think one of his frustrations in New York was
Speaker 1: that they weren't scheming ways to get on the ball.
Speaker 1: The Browns are relentlessly scheming to get the ball, Elijah Moore.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really resulted in much yet, but that's something
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on as to become more of
Speaker 1: a passing offense going forward. All right, I guess now
Speaker 1: that comes to me. And yeah, like I said, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I wanted to get out of that
Speaker 1: spot was because I knew Mark wanted that game and
Speaker 1: I wasn't in love with a third game. So but
Speaker 1: I will take let's stay in the NFC East or
Speaker 1: head to the NFC.
Speaker 3: So you did it for my benefit.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I know the score here, that's a score.
Speaker 5: He knows also that he didn't love that that I
Speaker 5: like game and next week it might help him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that game. But I know somebody really
Speaker 1: wanted that game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess I appreciate it. I mean I
Speaker 3: do genuinely.
Speaker 1: Well, if you would have, if you would have turned
Speaker 1: your nose up at the trade offer, I would have
Speaker 1: had no choice.
Speaker 4: I just think it.
Speaker 3: How long did it take me? How long it took
Speaker 3: me maybe point eight second to write sure? I didn't
Speaker 3: even look at that.
Speaker 1: I was hoping for a little gamesmanship, but there was
Speaker 1: nothing I would have I would have given up last.
Speaker 5: Mark's the guy you want to send offers to in fantasy.
Speaker 5: It was just like, just like, depending on how he feels,
Speaker 5: it's like it's too much trouble to turn it down.
Speaker 1: I think it was within four seconds he wrote, Sure,
Speaker 1: let's see I will yeah, take the Commanders at the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Like the game, don't love it, don't actually after those
Speaker 1: two games, don't love the sleep Yeah, but I want
Speaker 1: to see Washington. It was the last game I watched
Speaker 1: right before it came in today. And listen, it was bad.
Speaker 1: The samhow was forcing things and and they got absolutely creamed. However,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'll say this. I think you alluded
Speaker 1: to it, Greg on maybe the Sunday Show, the Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Show. This was a two score game in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarterer sixteen nothing, but it was a two score game.
Speaker 1: And beyond that. In the they were in the red
Speaker 1: zone twice. The Commanders in this game, like right on
Speaker 1: the doorstep, and it ended once to turnover on downs
Speaker 1: near the goal line and once at an interception. So
Speaker 1: they were knocking on the doors against the Bill a
Speaker 1: tough Bills defense, and things went to hell. And after
Speaker 1: it was sixteen nothing in the fourth, there was an
Speaker 1: immediate terrible fumble by Antonio Gibson that was led to
Speaker 1: a touchdown and then a pick six and it's good night, nurse.
Speaker 4: It's got like five of those a year. That's been
Speaker 4: a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So as bad as that final score was for
Speaker 1: the Commanders, I'm willing, especially with a young quarterback, to
Speaker 1: give them a little bit of a mull again and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: how are we gonna look next week? The only problem
Speaker 1: here is the next opponent now is the Eagles, So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a real measuring stick. Like we talked
Speaker 1: about on Monday, I think it's been overblown Philadelphia's offensive
Speaker 1: struggles early on. They've got tons of yardage. Still, the
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift looks like the comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's eligible for that ridiculous award and
Speaker 1: just wait, just wait until Jalen Hurts gets locked in
Speaker 1: with the passing game a big test for young and
Speaker 1: Sweaty and Deron Pain and everybody on that line to
Speaker 1: cause havoc.
Speaker 3: I like, so Howell, who's been sacked a league high
Speaker 3: nineteen times, A lot of those are on him. It's
Speaker 3: like that that's sort of his growth process here. I
Speaker 3: just see a team that, like you're right, like the
Speaker 3: Bills didn't just walk away from that game like immediately,
Speaker 3: but Washington just sort of handed it away, and like
Speaker 3: Philadelphia can just take advantage of that. I think that Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: Like I'm with you. I think that you saw aj
Speaker 3: Brown heat up a little bit last week, and I
Speaker 3: just expect that Hurts is gonna whatever little kind of
Speaker 3: slow starts of the season. He'll work his way out
Speaker 3: of this. But they are a team that like systematically
Speaker 3: is ripping off like thirteen plus play drives, Like I
Speaker 3: think they lead the league in those or the tide
Speaker 3: with the Rams for that at this point.
Speaker 4: And you're kind of drives.
Speaker 3: I love that because I think it kind of like
Speaker 3: something's not totally working at its maximum. They just found
Speaker 3: another way to run. And like Washington last week, one
Speaker 3: of the reasons I like the Bills is because of
Speaker 3: their ground game, and what they did last week was
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty eight yards on the ground and
Speaker 3: Philadelphia is like four hundred and fifty plus in the
Speaker 3: last two weeks. And we talked about swift, but it's like,
Speaker 3: I just don't see what the weakness is on Philadelphia
Speaker 3: that a Washington strength can take advantage of. I just
Speaker 3: I think it's sort of there are a bit sitting
Speaker 3: ducks in this one.
Speaker 5: I wonder if the Eagle's secondary depth has been properly tested.
Speaker 5: They've had multiple injuries in terms of their slot cornerback,
Speaker 5: this at safety, maybe the linebackers. I do think Washington's
Speaker 5: deep in terms of their passing take are they ready
Speaker 5: to take advantage?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Eight points seems too much for me.
Speaker 5: I like me some commanders to either win this game
Speaker 5: or to keep it close in a bounce back game,
Speaker 5: because I do think this is the best defense Philly
Speaker 5: has face.
Speaker 4: I think schedules so important.
Speaker 5: I believe early in the season that you got to
Speaker 5: look at who these teams have played. And I think
Speaker 5: Washington they were up for the fight last week. I
Speaker 5: think they'll be up for the fight every week, and
Speaker 5: I think they'll make them compete. And I do think Okay,
Speaker 5: this is a division game where these coaches have played
Speaker 5: against each other and they the Washington's consistently created some
Speaker 5: issues for Philadelphia. They beat them last year in that
Speaker 5: game where they just held the ball forever. It was
Speaker 5: Philly's first loss of the year. It's a division game,
Speaker 5: and the offensive line for Philly it's far from an issue,
Speaker 5: but it hasn't been as good protecting the pass this
Speaker 5: year as previous years, like it's been good instead of excellent,
Speaker 5: and Hurts has been good instead of excellent. So is
Speaker 5: this a defense that could actually give them some trouble.
Speaker 5: I'm convincing myself yes, and that'll be close.
Speaker 4: I would just say good.
Speaker 3: One thing that's different from that Monday night game a
Speaker 3: year ago where they did they Washington had the ball
Speaker 3: for so much. The Eagles have had the ball for
Speaker 3: eighty minutes over the last two games. And we talked
Speaker 3: about snap count and who's rested and who who isn't
Speaker 3: like the Eagles defense has really not had to be
Speaker 3: on the field much.
Speaker 5: And they're quietly better. That's one thing I think Eagles
Speaker 5: fans have got to feel better. I actually think the
Speaker 5: Eagles defense by you better this season so far.
Speaker 1: Kiln Carter leads the Eagles we talked about on Wednesday
Speaker 1: with fifteen QB pressures. Hassan Reddick and Brandon Graham neither
Speaker 1: have a sack yet and just one QB hit each.
Speaker 1: But listen, they have so much talent and they have
Speaker 1: so much ability, and they're staying the offense is keeping
Speaker 1: the defense off the field that these guys are just
Speaker 1: warmed up. I would not be worried at all about
Speaker 1: that either. And I think maybe AJ Brown's gonna finally
Speaker 1: get you a touchdown here in a big spot.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not going to complain. Last week he
Speaker 5: went what one for eight for one or something. I
Speaker 5: see you, Aj, I believe blanking that one offense.
Speaker 1: I believe you.
Speaker 4: I believe in you. I do.
Speaker 5: I wish I took Devanta Adams or stuff. I think
Speaker 5: I kind of do. Just got a little little too
Speaker 5: much with my heart there.
Speaker 1: I likes I like the Eagles here to keep rolling, but.
Speaker 4: To cover well D eight.
Speaker 7: A.
Speaker 3: It may not be a lot though, sometimes you get to.
Speaker 1: You get at Philly Philly, especially with Jalen Hurts, who
Speaker 1: is essentially unbeatable in the regular season. Here. Uh, they start,
Speaker 1: they they turn into a bit of a runaway train
Speaker 1: at home. So yes, I think they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: take that wood. I'm with You're gonna chop it up,
Speaker 1: throw it in the old furnace. Is that how it works?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You could, you could do that, sure, if you have
Speaker 3: the kind of oven.
Speaker 1: All right, should we keep going? Should we roll? Another game?
Speaker 1: Another game up next?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Mark, it's back to you unconventional this week because of
Speaker 1: the huge trade in.
Speaker 3: I think you've tricked me into having like six games
Speaker 3: on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think we have the same everything.
Speaker 1: Everything else is all right.
Speaker 3: Well, I told you pre show what I what I
Speaker 3: really want toning out.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I love this. Actually I am gonna take my late game.
Speaker 3: If you're new to the show, we have to you know,
Speaker 3: you got to kind of be strategic about how you
Speaker 3: organize your day. Arizona at San Francisco. I think in
Speaker 3: week one. I would have been like, this will be
Speaker 3: a nice easy just to wipe out. I think this
Speaker 3: is disrespectful, and tell me if you think I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Arizona is getting fourteen points in.
Speaker 1: This I'm totally cool with that.
Speaker 4: Oh so I.
Speaker 3: Guess like it's come you have to come from the
Speaker 3: world of like I look at that Cowboys game and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like an aberration from the norm. I
Speaker 3: look at Arizona that has fought every team they played
Speaker 3: this season, and that.
Speaker 4: What's also looking at San Francisco it is and like
Speaker 4: I think, like.
Speaker 3: I think San Francisco, like it's not totally wild to me.
Speaker 3: It's just that, like it's a little disrespectful to a
Speaker 3: team that just wiped out a Dallas team we're calling
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl contender, and I think they are. And
Speaker 3: it's just like, this is a well coached Cardinals team.
Speaker 3: And if you went into the year thinking like the
Speaker 3: tank thing is on whether or not the players and
Speaker 3: coaches want it to be. Because Josh Dobbs just simply
Speaker 3: cannot compete. He's fourth in the league and completion percentage,
Speaker 3: he's making plays, I mean he uses his feet too.
Speaker 3: James Connor is running as well as I've ever seen
Speaker 3: him run. Their defense is disrupting people and made the
Speaker 3: Cowboys look a little foolish at points last week. Can
Speaker 3: you do that to San Francisco? I don't think so,
Speaker 3: brock Purty, really, I think one thing you can talk
Speaker 3: about with the Coyleege Shanahan offense is they've had thirty
Speaker 3: plus points and seven eight of seven of his eight starts,
Speaker 3: he's had open targets on sixty five to four point
Speaker 3: four percent of his downfield throws by far, the highest
Speaker 3: percentage among quarterbacks with fifty plus downfield throws since last season.
Speaker 3: So it's like, this is the Shanahan offense. It works.
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel was a little banged up. That concerns me
Speaker 3: to some degree, except they have so many different weapons
Speaker 3: that this will be Arizona's real test. Does the floor
Speaker 3: fall out here? I would just say I think no,
Speaker 3: because I think that what they've done over three weeks
Speaker 3: has shown an ability, especially on defense, to hang around.
Speaker 3: They've hung around, and like what they did to Dallas
Speaker 3: a week ago was not was not an aberration. I
Speaker 3: think it was a sign of what they are under
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, who was an off season, Like everyone's snickering
Speaker 3: at Jonathan Gannon for some of the like the clip
Speaker 3: that came out about him and the way he kind
Speaker 3: of spoke.
Speaker 4: To the team. Yeah we are that summer Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we also did that. We did
Speaker 3: that to Siriani and Philadelphia, and then we kind of
Speaker 3: learned from that a little bit.
Speaker 4: But it's like, no, athing, I mean, it's okay to
Speaker 4: have some fun. We were.
Speaker 5: I wasn't taking it so seriously that like this man
Speaker 5: is doomed forever.
Speaker 3: No, but it's like it's another example of like some
Speaker 3: of this, like like the way they speak to the
Speaker 3: team is.
Speaker 1: By the way, just for context, people, I don't know
Speaker 1: the the origin of that drop. That was the new
Speaker 1: head coach that Cardinals going up to a wide receiver
Speaker 1: for the first time, introducing himself and explaining all the
Speaker 1: different routes he's going to run. And he was making.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's funny. It's a little strange, as
Speaker 4: my children would say, a little suss.
Speaker 3: It's a little suss. But he's done it good, don't you?
Speaker 3: Would you say he's would you give him a the
Speaker 3: B plus?
Speaker 1: If I get this is so Obsessler.
Speaker 4: They are the team set right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you like the team that sucks that
Speaker 1: then kind of has a little heart and and that's cool.
Speaker 3: I think most sports fans would be a sure, but.
Speaker 1: You especially and if it's a small sample size, you
Speaker 1: tend to maybe get carried away a little bit sometimes.
Speaker 3: Well, all right, like putting it on the Cowboys is
Speaker 3: not just this thing that isn't a zero important.
Speaker 4: Now they've been consistent, They're they're.
Speaker 1: Not roughing the Sessler.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying this, You're not perfect. It's a perfect
Speaker 4: Sessler story.
Speaker 3: Well correct, But can I can I counter and say
Speaker 3: that like a danism is to kind of dismiss what
Speaker 3: they did the Cowboys because you believe in the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I I agree. Like, for instance, I think
Speaker 1: it is absolutely commendable the way Arizona has been in
Speaker 1: every game, despite the fact that everyone said they were
Speaker 1: gonna get blown out every week and maybe not win
Speaker 1: the season. So that is that's that's definitely Flowers. I
Speaker 1: do also think these things happen in the season. I
Speaker 1: think Dallas was flat on the road three days after
Speaker 1: one of their key players blew out his knee in
Speaker 1: practice and I think they caught Dallas a little flat
Speaker 1: footed and to their credit, took advantage of it. I
Speaker 1: just think now going to San Francisco is a whole
Speaker 1: other situation to help with the extra rest Niners team.
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk, I imagine, is potentially back in the lineup here,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's it's a great story. If
Speaker 1: Arizona battles for four quarters against the Niners. I think
Speaker 1: they're a pretty big story.
Speaker 3: If they ever nipped the Niners and I realized that
Speaker 3: beat them out, that's from I said nipped. If that
Speaker 3: was from outer space, I get that. The concept is
Speaker 3: that they are one of the most shocking NFL stories
Speaker 3: we've ever covered.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: I think the thing about Arizona is everyone just has
Speaker 5: to recognize how foolish. So much of what we accept
Speaker 5: as wisdom going into a season is because just based
Speaker 5: on football, they're pretty good. This year, they're actually tenth
Speaker 5: in DVOA. They've been quite competitive every single week. I
Speaker 5: don't think that's gonna last totally because of their talent,
Speaker 5: but I think good coaching could get them to be
Speaker 5: feisty all year and they could win five or six
Speaker 5: games or what it turns out being like at this.
Speaker 4: Point, every literally everyone was completely wrong.
Speaker 5: We spent half the off season just saying like this
Speaker 5: this team is a total abomination. They're not They're competitive
Speaker 5: on defense, They're a pack of roaming dogs.
Speaker 4: Sometimes.
Speaker 5: I mean, they were pretty creative. They spooked Dak last week.
Speaker 5: There's some formations there where like what is happening. It's
Speaker 5: just like seven guys kind of like walking around. I'm
Speaker 5: making weird movements. Kaizier White, my guy I've always liked.
Speaker 5: Kaizier White had like the game of his life last week.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just the interception, Like they're getting guys to
Speaker 5: play well, but this is a totally different animal.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Fortunately, the Cowboys win was really impressive.
Speaker 4: I think they'll be I don't know how good.
Speaker 1: The Commanders are the Giants are at this point, but
Speaker 1: I just need to see a little bit more of
Speaker 1: before I get like swept up in this.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, and you're right, Mark, that's kind of
Speaker 4: my thing.
Speaker 1: But I sometimes I hate at the beginning of an
Speaker 1: NFL season where it's the three game sample size and
Speaker 1: we get fired up about it and then by week
Speaker 1: six it's completely on its ear and sometimes not. This
Speaker 1: one to me smells Niners Bengals Rams. Next three weeks,
Speaker 1: do I see a win and I don't, necessarily, then
Speaker 1: there'll be one in five. But call me a hater,
Speaker 1: I'm just no.
Speaker 3: I think last week maybe told us as much about
Speaker 3: the Cowboys as it did about the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the Cardinals are showing though that
Speaker 5: they can compete with the middle of the NFL, so
Speaker 5: I think they'll have a chance with with that and then,
Speaker 5: but the middle of the NFL probably can't compete with
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers most week. I liked how Kittle
Speaker 5: looked better last week. I just haven't seen a lot
Speaker 5: of explosive Kittle in a while. It's been a quieter story.
Speaker 4: Still.
Speaker 1: That's right, guy, That's why he left the Superstar Club
Speaker 1: too great, right to great criticism from outside sources outside
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 5: Really played well and you might have been pressing and
Speaker 5: their front line. Look, the Cardinals offensive line has been
Speaker 5: a huge part of their success this year. They're playing
Speaker 5: well up front, and this will be a much tougher
Speaker 5: test against a forty nine Ers team that looks better upfront.
Speaker 5: They weren't getting any interior pressure last year. This year,
Speaker 5: Hardgrave is balling out nice signing kin Laws look better
Speaker 5: and arms that is healthy. Last year, you didn't have
Speaker 5: any of those three guys essentially at one hundred percent
Speaker 5: or playing well, and suddenly have three and that's a
Speaker 5: lot to deal.
Speaker 3: With, all right, mm hmm, I'm up gets a little
Speaker 3: rugged at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna throw. I'm gonna give Greg a
Speaker 1: pass here because I would take.
Speaker 5: Just take it, because now I'm because of the way
Speaker 5: the thing works. I'm gonna have an extra game. I
Speaker 5: don't care anymore because the late games I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: watching double No.
Speaker 1: I don't want much Mac Jones forget about that.
Speaker 3: That's a struggle, a visual struggle.
Speaker 1: Uh all right, how about the team of Zeus til
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Cults. Let's grab them against the Rams at home.
Speaker 1: I hope we got Anthony Richardson back in this game.
Speaker 3: He did practice? Is you know it sounds like it's possible.
Speaker 3: Do you do you think he's well, I know you
Speaker 3: like him, but like you think he's gonna give them
Speaker 3: a better chance than Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1: I don't think Minsche played very well last week, actually,
Speaker 1: and I like Minshew as a backup. I wish he
Speaker 1: was my team's backup, but I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: there shouldn't be any conversation about who should be at
Speaker 1: this quarterback. I think richard'sn't proven in the time he's
Speaker 1: been on the field that he's already going to be
Speaker 1: a difference maker. He's just got to protect himself better
Speaker 1: and get a little luckier. I saw, like I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff around Richardson saying you know, and
Speaker 1: of course it started in week one when Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: said to him after the game, Hey, you gotta protect yourself.
Speaker 1: That's why this is a hard sport. Like we're watching
Speaker 1: this right now, by the way, on free TV and YouTube.
Speaker 1: Like that hit he takes where he suffers a concussion,
Speaker 1: it's like he was trying to protect himself. He gets
Speaker 1: pushed right at the goal line as he's scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Tell me how to protect yourself right on that like
Speaker 1: he was. Basically that was a borderline late hit that
Speaker 1: led to his injury. So I hope I want to
Speaker 1: see Richardson play because he really has been as good
Speaker 1: as advertised and and he's a dynamic player and the
Speaker 1: cult in general. That performance a gets Baltimore one of
Speaker 1: the great kicker performances that we've seen. Really like you
Speaker 1: could say it's a bit with Dann kikers. No, I
Speaker 1: love kickers, especially clutch kickers. And what Mackay did in
Speaker 1: that game was outrageous with four. He hit from fifty
Speaker 1: three to fifty three, fifty three and fifty four. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who called the game. He had
Speaker 1: a nice little call at the end. He goes he
Speaker 1: mentioned the makes and said and he piped every single one.
Speaker 4: That was Jay Feely because he was going wild.
Speaker 1: Oh it was Pheey so j Peelly.
Speaker 4: Dan annoyed that he gave Pheelly pop.
Speaker 1: That is Pheelly the same guy that posted for the
Speaker 1: prompt picture with his daughter and the date while holding
Speaker 1: a gun. Is that the same I'd been tracked up
Speaker 1: one in the same anyway, he piped every single one. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So uh, this team I thought has been very fun
Speaker 1: to watch. And the Rams, I think this is another
Speaker 1: competitive game. I think Los Angeles is going to hang
Speaker 1: a lot of in a lot of these games.
Speaker 3: One thing I really love about what the what the
Speaker 3: cults have done, because yes it's it's they're really well coached,
Speaker 3: just like it's the other coordinator that came from Philadelphia, Stich,
Speaker 3: and you can see his fingerprints all over it. But
Speaker 3: part of it is like pieces that were there a
Speaker 3: year ago to Boris Buckner and that defensive line have
Speaker 3: caused problems in every one of these games. They did
Speaker 3: it to the Ravens and last week the Rams Bengals
Speaker 3: defense kept for one of eleven on third down, gave
Speaker 3: Matt Stafford all sorts of problems. And I think this
Speaker 3: is a matchup I don't like for the Rams in
Speaker 3: terms of their offensive line versus Cults defensive line that
Speaker 3: has wreaked a lot of havoc.
Speaker 4: That's a it's a great point, Mark, great point.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 4: The Colts defense has been really impressive.
Speaker 1: Roberts, we need it. I got to dig it up.
Speaker 4: And that's a great point. Mark. You're right, the Coast
Speaker 4: defense has gotten after.
Speaker 1: Who was it?
Speaker 4: Nobody knows who was that talking. It was, it's Jeremiah Well,
Speaker 4: that's a great point.
Speaker 3: I don't think it is Tony Grossy. The Browns reporters
Speaker 3: came on.
Speaker 4: I've always thought that was like Mark has a detailed
Speaker 4: catalog of all the you know what.
Speaker 3: I like, grew up reading Tony Grossy was like in
Speaker 3: middle school, I kind of you know.
Speaker 5: For some reason, I always thought it was DJ and
Speaker 5: it was almost like it was it was hard to
Speaker 5: pull the words out of him, like he didn't want to.
Speaker 4: Give you them. He's just like slowly, slowly.
Speaker 3: Sony Grossey might have known what he was doing there
Speaker 3: in that situation.
Speaker 4: Wait, what are we talking about again?
Speaker 5: I think I made a great point about the college
Speaker 5: defensive front they have gotten after has had some nice moments.
Speaker 5: Grover Stewart certainly you got you got Buckner, and that's
Speaker 5: the weakness of the Rams. But then you think of
Speaker 5: on the outside, these little receivers going down the field,
Speaker 5: can they win against some big colts cornerbacks. You know
Speaker 5: who impressed me last week was Juju Brent. I can't
Speaker 5: say I was too familiar with him as a draft prospect.
Speaker 5: He was like one of those guys that that if
Speaker 5: you're really into like speed score and raw athleticism. Score
Speaker 5: was maybe the most athletic cornerback in the gym, just
Speaker 5: like one of those guys who just like tested out
Speaker 5: of the gym, but what didn't really play that well
Speaker 5: at football. Uh, and kind of like Tarik Willen was
Speaker 5: a year ago and this was his first game a
Speaker 5: week ago because he was injured the first week and
Speaker 5: he bawled out against Baltimore. And he's a big guy.
Speaker 5: They have some big cornerbacks in Indianapolis. So I'm interested
Speaker 5: in that matchup. This is a fun little.
Speaker 1: Match job by Vegas. The Desert has this one, right.
Speaker 1: I get Colts by one and a half.
Speaker 5: That's actually some respect for the Rams there, it is.
Speaker 5: You know they're saying, not on neutral field, the Rams
Speaker 5: would bet.
Speaker 1: Her favorites in Week four after the misery of last
Speaker 1: season and the way people were talking about the team
Speaker 1: having so many issues. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I think one thing that, like you thought, oh, without
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, they're sitting ducks with a rookie quarterback like
Speaker 3: it's gonna put It's like Zach Moss, who like has
Speaker 3: been underwhelming career wise, like yes is currently and I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not making a comparison, but he's outperforming what
Speaker 3: a banged up Jonathan Taylor was at this point a
Speaker 3: year ago.
Speaker 4: Like I would just say that.
Speaker 3: You know, he had one hundred and twenty two yards
Speaker 3: last week and like he looked good.
Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, they're not.
Speaker 3: That's not a total weakness for them where we thought
Speaker 3: it would be.
Speaker 5: That's stiching. That's a side that your coaches. I always say,
Speaker 5: you need a coach that brings something to the table. Well,
Speaker 5: the fact that you can see Zach Moss going for
Speaker 5: one hundred plus that you you have to put that
Speaker 5: on the coaching. I'm saying, the offensive line, the run game,
Speaker 5: it's impressive. Line's been a lot better like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd be going crazy though as a Colts fan,
Speaker 1: because you're really happy with the start of the season overall,
Speaker 1: other than the riches and health stuff. And there are
Speaker 1: reports out there that Taylor's ankle Jonathan Taylor's ankle is
Speaker 1: fully healthy. There's also a report from Dan Graziano that
Speaker 1: he's nearing his he's eligible to come off the pup
Speaker 1: after this Sunday quote. Still doesn't want to play for
Speaker 1: the Colts, So it seems like this is heading toward
Speaker 1: a devorce. You know what. The Eagles are probably gonna
Speaker 1: get him for a six round pick or something, and
Speaker 1: then it's just gonna be like, you know, I would
Speaker 1: love to see this off. This team that is in
Speaker 1: kind of a bounce back place with an exciting quarterback.
Speaker 1: Give him a dynamic running back, because forget about twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two Jonathan Taylor, twenty twenty one, Jonathan Tylor is
Speaker 1: running back years of the last decade plus. Like, if
Speaker 1: you could get that out of this office, this team
Speaker 1: starts to get legitimately frisky and maybe even spicy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's gonna happen based on the
Speaker 1: reports unless there's some type of come to Jesus conversation
Speaker 1: between ERSA and Taylor. And by the way, if anybody
Speaker 1: remembers the last conversation they had, it couldn't have gone worse.
Speaker 3: So no, I could see him on the Cowboys, but
Speaker 3: I'd say it. It's just another kind of credit to
Speaker 3: Shane Steichen that what's happened over the last couple of
Speaker 3: weeks has us forgetting all that drama from just a
Speaker 3: month ago, an organization that seemed to want to shoot
Speaker 3: itself in the foot endless.
Speaker 5: It's a fun game because it's a swing game I
Speaker 5: think for both teams, Like who's gonna be the feisty
Speaker 5: team because the Rams have the Eagles next week? But
Speaker 5: they get their starback and he actually wants to play
Speaker 5: for the Rams. Cooper Cup is supposedly gonna be ready
Speaker 5: to return for week five.
Speaker 4: But if if they.
Speaker 5: Follow one in three, then you start maybe hearing whispers
Speaker 5: about trade stuff and you got the Eagles next week,
Speaker 5: Like trade deadline starts getting pretty soon. But if they
Speaker 5: can win a couple of these games that they.
Speaker 1: Have, I want to see healthy Matt Stafford with healthy
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, with Pooka and Akua. Let's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be that's fly, That's gonna be nice.
Speaker 3: We've also not given we maybe haven't given Sean McVay
Speaker 3: enough credit for what the Rams are right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're watchable and competitive. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: break and then we will continue on. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: I mentioned, uh remember I debuted a new seg on
Speaker 1: Wednesday show Media minute?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like that. Actually it's good branding.
Speaker 4: Something along this line I did.
Speaker 1: Speaking of branding, I noticed Kyle Brand has a new venture,
Speaker 1: a new podcast. It's it's being advertised during our show.
Speaker 1: It's a ten minute podcast with with Kyle.
Speaker 4: Sounds great, sounds very great.
Speaker 1: Kyle's gonna kill it, I'm sure in his pitch of
Speaker 1: the podcast. In the commercial, he says, ah, doesn't everybody
Speaker 1: hate when you go to click into a podcast and
Speaker 1: the podcast is an hour and twenty seven minutes long,
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's like most of our podcast. So
Speaker 1: there's now.
Speaker 3: Couched inside our hour.
Speaker 4: So now there's a.
Speaker 1: Commercial from our own media group during our show saying,
Speaker 1: don't you hate when podcasts are like the show you're
Speaker 1: listening to? Just this is another media minute, give it
Speaker 1: to me, another media minute with Dan Hanss put Roberts
Speaker 1: on the spot, putting Roberts on the spot.
Speaker 5: And now it's time for the latest edition of the
Speaker 5: Media Landscape Report with host Dan Kansas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what I was just saying, Yeah, like you
Speaker 3: already did it, You already did a minute.
Speaker 1: You dis Yeah, Brand's gonna do great. Kyle's excellent.
Speaker 5: He also was the one that said he didn't like
Speaker 5: getting asked for Yes, another podcast, He's coming after us.
Speaker 4: Hey, those are our twenty seven minutes. They're gonna pay
Speaker 4: for my kids to go to college. I would right
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: The eyebrow would go a tilt if we start seeing
Speaker 1: a bunch of guests on Kyle's new podcast. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like kyle solo ten minute joint, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty good gig.
Speaker 3: You'd have to go on for like forty eight seconds
Speaker 3: as a guest. That sounds doable to me.
Speaker 5: Or for his next ad is like, don't you hate
Speaker 5: it when it's just like three guys but they don't
Speaker 5: really totally focus on football and one of them can't
Speaker 5: decide whether they really like the Browns or not, Like, is.
Speaker 1: There anything worse than three middle aged whites from Los
Speaker 1: Angeles who never played the game?
Speaker 3: Well, two of you didn't, but like, yeah, who needs
Speaker 3: a touch of mirth?
Speaker 4: Let's go to the next pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: No, let's not because I want to also share something.
Speaker 1: Okay that.
Speaker 4: Let's just have a music underlay.
Speaker 1: Well, it's connected to last week last shows music underlay
Speaker 1: the media minute last episode, I mentioned that I really
Speaker 1: wanted to play Terry Bradshaw not being able to place
Speaker 1: Desmond Rudders name, and Fox Red threw up the stop
Speaker 1: sign on it. Yeah, but they don't realize there's a workaround.
Speaker 1: The Fans of the Hard Knocks podcast know that we
Speaker 1: cannot use Leev Shreiver's voice on that program, the narrator
Speaker 1: of Hard Knocks. But we do have a workaround in
Speaker 1: the forum of Jason Zumwalt. Oh yes, our sound guy,
Speaker 1: our voiceover artist artiste, the new voice of God, and
Speaker 1: you who I'm not over the U. So I asked
Speaker 1: Jason to listen to the Terry Ridder issue on Sunday's
Speaker 1: Fox pregame show and give us a reenactment, which Fox
Speaker 1: cannot stop. They have no legal recourse but to let
Speaker 1: us do this right now, So eat it.
Speaker 2: Murdoch All School football smash Mouth four to time. Russians
Speaker 2: last week against the Packers. They win that football game.
Speaker 2: I lock what they're doing. I locked their quarterback out
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. What's his name, Ritter Ridder?
Speaker 1: Learn his name when he gets good. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: like a script. That was actually what Terry Bradshaw said
Speaker 1: on Fox.
Speaker 3: That was better than Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 4: I love that he nailed it.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Terry also had takes about the
Speaker 1: t Swift Kelsey romance. No, well, well he didn't, but
Speaker 1: if he did, this is what it would sound like.
Speaker 5: And I did.
Speaker 2: I saw Travis Kelsey with his galfriend up in the
Speaker 2: suite with his mama. Who is she Lord Dashian or
Speaker 2: Hilton's sister? Anyway, I wish the best.
Speaker 4: To them and all their future children.
Speaker 1: Gonna be a tall letter.
Speaker 4: Both of them got some hot from what I can tell.
Speaker 1: Where am I listen? Air Porter TV Studio? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: couldn't stop us Fox, not if you tried. Thank you,
Speaker 1: fake Terry Bradshaw. All right, let's get back to the draft.
Speaker 1: Greg double an.
Speaker 5: Eye, I am excited that Patriots Cowboys with Burkhart and
Speaker 5: Greg Olsen and Aaron Andrews and Tom Ronaldy is available
Speaker 5: seven point favorites the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Tom is very serious man, that Roald. You could tell
Speaker 1: some people are just very serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, then they throw him in these sort of
Speaker 3: stilted ads where they try to turn into a funny man.
Speaker 4: But that's not who he is.
Speaker 1: We got an idea.
Speaker 5: Let's have Tom play against type I. I'm really intrigued
Speaker 5: to see this game because I think the Patriots have
Speaker 5: shown parts of their team that are promising depending on
Speaker 5: the week. They haven't put it all together yet, but
Speaker 5: they're playing a Cowboys team that.
Speaker 4: Really needs to improve after last week.
Speaker 5: And I think maybe has a little bit of concern
Speaker 5: about this old Texas Coast offense that we were so
Speaker 5: excited about a week ago, or at least Dak Prescott's
Speaker 5: place in it. When I went to go rewatch that game,
Speaker 5: I really wanted to see what was up with Dak,
Speaker 5: because he's the ultimate guy that's better on film on
Speaker 5: the All twenty two than he is on the TV copy.
Speaker 5: Like you see it and you can kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's like he's a quarterbacks quarterback.
Speaker 4: He's making great decisions. You kind of see what he's seeing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: He's always been a very poor man's Bradier Manning type
Speaker 5: where he's he's winning from the neck up and seeing
Speaker 5: the field, and last week Gannon put it to him,
Speaker 5: and there were many plays in that game where he
Speaker 5: was double clutching, and I wanted to go rewatch those
Speaker 5: double clutch plays and see what he's seeing. And guys
Speaker 5: seem like they were open, and Dak seemed kind of spooked,
Speaker 5: and then he just started making some crazy decisions like
Speaker 5: the interception you talked about the end of just like
Speaker 5: what are you possibly seeing there? And I think Gannon
Speaker 5: scrambled him with some of the defensive game planning. Fast
Speaker 5: forward to this week and you're playing a Belichick team
Speaker 5: who's had decent success against Dak in the past, not
Speaker 5: like they've played that much, but slowed him down when
Speaker 5: he's been playing better. And I think this is a
Speaker 5: tough defense to go against if you start seeing ghosts,
Speaker 5: because they are able to change who they are.
Speaker 4: On a week to week basis. They really are great
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 5: They did it last week by putting all their big
Speaker 5: faties up front to stop the Jets run game and
Speaker 5: Darren Zach Wilson Beta. You know, they got they got
Speaker 5: a little bit of everyone. And I'm just saying they
Speaker 5: got the three hundred and ten pounders.
Speaker 4: You could call them hogs. Yeah, but this.
Speaker 5: Week that this week, this week they got their three safeties.
Speaker 5: Hopefully they get some cornerbacks back. I mean they're not
Speaker 5: getting Jack Jones back from suspension yet. Marcus Jones is out,
Speaker 5: but maybe you get Jonathan Jones. You got all these safeties,
Speaker 5: you're Bill Prepper's playing, well, can you scramble back up?
Speaker 4: I'm optimistic.
Speaker 1: Well. The seeing ghosts is the famous Sam Darnold line
Speaker 1: from Monday Night Football a few years back against the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and that's yes, what they specialize in. And Dak isn't
Speaker 1: trusting what he's seeing with his eyes and getting confused
Speaker 1: by the coverage, and yeah, you got me spooked. If
Speaker 1: I'm a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 4: It's just one game, just one game something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're gonna want to give him a game
Speaker 1: script that puts him in some good passing situations where
Speaker 1: Belichick isn't able to really go to work and go
Speaker 1: to town on you.
Speaker 3: It's one of these games where it's like you're definitely
Speaker 3: checking to see who's returning for Dallas because you know,
Speaker 3: I think last week was impacted by your offensive line injuries.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy said on Thursday Today that Tyron Smith still
Speaker 3: in the rehab group, Zach Martin, Tyler Biadish doing a
Speaker 3: little bit more. I mean, it just matters a lot
Speaker 3: because I don't love the idea of like Christian Barmore
Speaker 3: and Matthew Judon against the banged up Cowboys line the
Speaker 3: Patriots last week against the Jets, and I know the
Speaker 3: Jets offensive line is a slight disaster at the moment,
Speaker 3: but sixty one point five percent pressure rate their highest
Speaker 3: for New England since twenty eighteen, So they're clicking. And
Speaker 3: if you get if they if you get a Dallas
Speaker 3: banged up offensive line, I don't love that because the
Speaker 3: Patriots to me, are a snooze fest on offense. They
Speaker 3: allowed ten yards passing on defense last week. Again, I
Speaker 3: know it's the Jets, but it's like that just doesn't
Speaker 3: happen in NFL games in general, thirty nine yards in total.
Speaker 3: So this is Patriots defense can hang with anyone.
Speaker 4: You saw it against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two above the tree tops takes on this one.
Speaker 1: First of all, if the Cowboys are what I still
Speaker 1: think they are, which is a BTT big time team,
Speaker 1: this is when you at home after an embarrassing kind
Speaker 1: of loss where you play like dog poop and it's
Speaker 1: like if your head coach and your DC and everybody
Speaker 1: are good at what they do, they have you coached
Speaker 1: up and pissed off, and you go and you kill
Speaker 1: a middling team. The Patriots are like the textbook definition
Speaker 1: to me of an eight to nine maybe if the
Speaker 1: ball bounces right nine to eighteen. I just don't see
Speaker 1: a lot with this offense to be able to make
Speaker 1: a big play against the Cowboys and to sustain drives
Speaker 1: throughout the afternoon. I know they did it pretty well
Speaker 1: against the Jets, but even then, I mean, what was
Speaker 1: it they hit one big play. I would love to
Speaker 1: see what like their yards per play was if you
Speaker 1: take out the coverage bust on the tight end touchdown.
Speaker 1: So I think New England is a very mediocre offense,
Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys are going to run away
Speaker 1: with this one.
Speaker 4: I think this is what is what is the spread
Speaker 4: on this It is seven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Cowboys are gonna get angry and
Speaker 1: win by fourteen to seventeen, a generous spread.
Speaker 5: Well, I not only disagree, is he gonna I disagree
Speaker 5: to the point that I think they're gonna leave a
Speaker 5: little bit of that roof open on Sunday, That Mac
Speaker 5: Jones oh played pretty well under pressure, that the defense
Speaker 5: can keep it close, and that it's gonna be a
Speaker 5: lower scoring game than you think, and that these Dallas
Speaker 5: linebackers looked a little shaky and suddenly you're not as
Speaker 5: deep at cornerback without Trayvon Diggs, and that this is
Speaker 5: gonna be back and forth. Patriots might win this game
Speaker 5: straight up, but it's definitely gonna be raiding in Dallas.
Speaker 5: The Raid Bakers coming out for the first time this year.
Speaker 5: Let's go oh wow, covering that seven points.
Speaker 1: A love that seven points. This game just got a
Speaker 1: lot more interesting to them. Make sure Marcus you know
Speaker 1: this one over here. Yeah, if he does get this right,
Speaker 1: he will be honking right. Sometimes when the rain maker,
Speaker 1: when it's dry, right, he doesn't mention it when people
Speaker 1: have put there.
Speaker 4: If on Greg, we don't catch it.
Speaker 1: That's that's producer work too. We gotta hold Greg accountable
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 3: People's real, real money.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And if you look at the record from last year
Speaker 5: with something like seven and three or six, we don't
Speaker 5: know that.
Speaker 1: You got to look over the whole You don't know
Speaker 1: that the same people are are getting behind all of
Speaker 1: your picks. What about the person that got behind those three?
Speaker 4: That's on them. They live on the street, now, that's
Speaker 4: on them.
Speaker 1: Sound like Jordan belfour.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't wouldn't shock me if they went straight up. But
Speaker 4: I'll take the seven.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to lock the Patriots, which
Speaker 3: would have been well, I already did lock the Seahawks.
Speaker 5: So to make a change, I'm doing the classic Uh,
Speaker 5: I'm locking up Gino and taking the Patriots and the
Speaker 5: rain Maker. This is maybe the recipe, not the recipe
Speaker 5: for an emotion. I'm making a surprising greg.
Speaker 1: Back by the way yesterday, I don't know what you know.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't like talking anymore. No, heat it
Speaker 1: up there, he's all the way back.
Speaker 4: Hey. Once the camera is on, it's like.
Speaker 1: What about the book? What about the Englishman?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: We ben Isaac's book about you promised the quote about
Speaker 5: us you promised. I brought it home with me. I
Speaker 5: took it out of my back, back, back back, and
Speaker 5: I haven't gone past that yet.
Speaker 4: But I mean, what, all right? My next pick is Dolphins.
Speaker 5: No, rather, I already took the Dolphins, the Broncos and
Speaker 5: the Bears, and this is these are two winless teams.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: But I have a strategy. When I have a great
Speaker 4: game like Dolphins Bills, I kind of want one that
Speaker 4: can get a little less attention as my second game,
Speaker 4: and that's Broncos Bears.
Speaker 1: What do we call a matchup of two oh and
Speaker 1: three teams? What do we have for that one? I
Speaker 1: don't have a great name for that. I don't It's
Speaker 1: not a double wounded dog game, double cornered animal. This
Speaker 1: is a I think one of these animals died a
Speaker 1: week ago.
Speaker 4: It's a tough team.
Speaker 1: For whoever loses this is a loser goal goes home. Okay,
Speaker 1: whoever loses this one, it's I mean ohing for take
Speaker 1: a walk.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably you're cooked and on for either team.
Speaker 3: I think the Bears are to go home this year
Speaker 3: to be eliminated from the season.
Speaker 5: I feel like the Bears our home, mattib Refluse, Remember
Speaker 5: they signed those linebackers. Everyone was all fired up tremade
Speaker 5: Edmunds and and t J. Edwards the first day of
Speaker 5: training camp for you know, our first day of free
Speaker 5: agency for like thirty million dollars guaranteed. Edmunds is struggling
Speaker 5: and his replacement in Buffalo playing very well to Bernard
Speaker 5: and Jakwan Brisker like a second round picky seventy fourth
Speaker 5: out of seventy eight and in safety ratings like they
Speaker 5: were supposed to be built around defense or defensive coach,
Speaker 5: it's not working. But one of the other reasons, you
Speaker 5: just gotta throw this out that I took this game
Speaker 5: to Matt Ryan game. Okay, I and you Matt Ryan.
Speaker 5: Matt Ryan, the broadcast has a chance I think to
Speaker 5: be much like Matt Ryan, the player underrated better than
Speaker 5: people give him credit for, and a connoisseur's favorite. He's
Speaker 5: starting to make some points here where I'm like, I'm
Speaker 5: learning something from you, Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: Despite him double crossing me in Fantasy several seasons, I
Speaker 1: always liked him as a player. That's why I drafted
Speaker 1: him multiple times. And I do think he's done a
Speaker 1: good job. I thought his agent did him a bit
Speaker 1: of a disservice by without well. According to Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: he reached out to the Jets and said, hey, that's
Speaker 1: available if you want him, as did Carson Wentz representation,
Speaker 1: according to a Fox report, and the Jets are like,
Speaker 1: now we're good. Because the Jets are fine, don't look up.
Speaker 1: And then Matt Ryan had to kind of come out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was who it was with,
Speaker 1: who the interview was with, but he said he named
Speaker 1: his agent, and it was like, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: a great ad agent does. Like he was doing due
Speaker 1: diligence for me, and I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's probably I don't believe Matt Ryan for a second.
Speaker 5: That's the agent taking the fall here. They're they're close,
Speaker 5: they get they all get how the right.
Speaker 1: But why come out even say anything?
Speaker 4: Well, you must have been asked directly. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 4: like that. Said no, he was probably on a podcast
Speaker 4: or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: He was in a tough spot. They got him in
Speaker 3: that three man booth. So if he does, if he does,
Speaker 3: his checked her seat out.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: We were talking about that. I think that was the plan,
Speaker 5: maybe from CBS, because I was like, he said that, Oh, really,
Speaker 5: he was keeping the door up. My agent is one
Speaker 5: of the best at what he does. Todd Franz is
Speaker 5: incredible and he wouldn't be doing his job if he
Speaker 5: wasn't looking into certain situations. He said when he took
Speaker 5: the CBS job that he wasn't necessarily out out because
Speaker 5: let's be real, Tiki and Matt Ryan, I don't need Tiki.
Speaker 5: Tiki's just flying off the handle. He'll just say things
Speaker 5: and I'm like, are you really just it's just like
Speaker 5: it's he he announces a game like it's morning drive
Speaker 5: time in New York, which just doesn't work because like
Speaker 5: you actually don't seem like you're following this team close
Speaker 5: enough to have that how to take about their offensive
Speaker 5: line like say seen.
Speaker 1: Speaking of New York right he he does a show
Speaker 1: with Evan Roberts on w f an and New York.
Speaker 1: Joe Beningo, famous like WFN host and and Jet's fanatic,
Speaker 1: goes on the show with Roberts and tells Tiki he
Speaker 1: couldn't he couldn't know. I'm trying to remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but he said, I know what you were at your
Speaker 1: game on Sunday. You don't You don't know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about right now. You didn't watch the tape. And
Speaker 1: Tiki turns off his mic, go turns to Roberts and
Speaker 1: you can hear on Roberts his mic and goes, that's
Speaker 1: both and gets off and walks out of the studio,
Speaker 1: which is yet to happen on our show. No one's
Speaker 1: ever walked out of the studio.
Speaker 4: What there was wasn't Is that? Did that ever happen
Speaker 4: way back?
Speaker 1: Or Mark had one walkout? That's right?
Speaker 4: Was it not? For sure?
Speaker 1: Talking about.
Speaker 4: It was early on?
Speaker 3: I want more evidence of that.
Speaker 1: It was in It was in Culver.
Speaker 3: I mean I get it would be in Culver. We've
Speaker 3: only been here for two years.
Speaker 1: Listened to the show that they well, well, maybe we
Speaker 1: might have covered it up at the time.
Speaker 4: I think we could.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying it's totally impossible, but I
Speaker 3: just don't recall.
Speaker 1: It might have been around like the Sunday night drop.
Speaker 1: Is that so right?
Speaker 4: There is one where I'm pretty sure you stormed out.
Speaker 5: Really, I'd like to think it was like a TD
Speaker 5: TD day time it was there.
Speaker 4: I had to be a little bit for show.
Speaker 5: And by the way, Broncos, you're in this game too,
Speaker 5: but play better if you want us to talk about
Speaker 5: your team more deeply.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: That their article that that pointed out in Denver media
Speaker 5: this week that was like Russ is actually earning his paycheck.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's come back to us. Russ is like
Speaker 5: replacement level right now. And you guys want to exactly
Speaker 5: you want to take a victory lap that he's been fine,
Speaker 5: he's like the fifth highest paid quarterback.
Speaker 4: And yes, he's been fine.
Speaker 1: He's been an average The problem and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Some would say, this is madness. Others would say, God,
Speaker 1: only a real man could do such a thing here.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos that they're giving up seventy one are
Speaker 1: facing a a Bears team that's not even a real team.
Speaker 1: They are not a professional football team at this point.
Speaker 1: And I don't say that to antagonize Bears fans because
Speaker 1: they know it too. They've been watching what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's absolute chaos. They can't unlock the offense. The defense
Speaker 1: doesn't even know where it's going. The DC is god
Speaker 1: knows where, not with the Bears anymore. And for that reason,
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos on the road three teams and three
Speaker 1: team having had a seventy burger hung on their neck
Speaker 1: a week ago, We'll get w number one locking up
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos by Sean Payton. Let's go, buddy boy.
Speaker 3: Well, if they have, you know, even twelve less mistackles
Speaker 3: than the twenty four they had a week ago, that
Speaker 3: would be fine. They were giving up a league high
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy seven yards.
Speaker 1: Rush Dolphins offense.
Speaker 4: No it's not.
Speaker 3: I mean the two teams combined gave up one hundred
Speaker 3: and eleven points last week. So this is, if nothing else,
Speaker 3: one of the more interesting lives.
Speaker 1: I I see two teams that are in a really
Speaker 1: bad way, but I find the Bears to be completely
Speaker 1: untethered they're like that movie where the guy in outer
Speaker 1: space is he's tied to the rope and he's doing
Speaker 1: some repairs on the space station and then like he
Speaker 1: gets hit by a moon rock or something and he
Speaker 1: just floats away. Yeah, that's the Bears. The the Broncos
Speaker 1: are just like, I don't know, they're passed out drunk
Speaker 1: within the space station, but they're they're still technically part
Speaker 1: of the universe.
Speaker 4: They lost theirst two games by a combined three points.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 1: I like, I like Russell Wilson having a good game
Speaker 1: here because I think he's been playing highly decently too,
Speaker 1: almost good. Well, and we're gonna we're gonna take this one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take this one home. Bab what's the spread
Speaker 1: on it? Three three Broncos laying three?
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, let's fly Somehow the bronc are
Speaker 3: are favored on the road after giving up seventy points.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, and that's exactly what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 5: The Bear that happening philosophy has been lock against teams
Speaker 5: more than lock for a team.
Speaker 4: So this is a good one.
Speaker 1: Base though. Let's take a break and we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with the rest of the draft.
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Speaker 1: Was a tone setting locked by the old zeuser.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's let's try not to act like a
Speaker 5: hero that you're locking against the worst team in the league.
Speaker 1: By the way, Also your little zing yesterday. But I
Speaker 1: get my own nicknames. Also, so you had fact No,
Speaker 1: you had Wes that gave Daddy Rich based on a
Speaker 1: Piston's Bad Boys book danzas is from McAfee.
Speaker 5: I pointed that out, said the credit or West credit
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 1: But that's two.
Speaker 4: But you're correcting a point that.
Speaker 1: Your initial statement was that I come up with all
Speaker 1: my nicknames that by my account outside sources.
Speaker 3: But that leaves you as the only person I've ever
Speaker 3: met that has given themselves five nicknames or whatever it
Speaker 3: is sin or seven.
Speaker 5: Think of all the failed nicknames around the eyes that
Speaker 5: haven't even made it to are yet.
Speaker 4: I think we had a point that degree.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a pattern or a trend, or a compulsion.
Speaker 5: Johnny Knuckles, Johnny Chuckles with the host with the most
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: All the I've never heard that one either. Johnny Chuckles
Speaker 3: was a maybe more of a character.
Speaker 1: Than a nickname. I think it grinds your gears a
Speaker 1: little bit, Greg that I have nicknames. It's not they're
Speaker 1: coming from outside the building, inside the building, They're they're everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 4: I got a nickname for you. Okay, I want to
Speaker 4: hear it.
Speaker 3: No, it's more than me just sort of saying.
Speaker 1: Come on, all right, here we go on with it.
Speaker 1: I have to pick another game, which is ridiculous. I've
Speaker 1: already grabbed two early, so I'm going to grab it late.
Speaker 1: So it has to be Raiders It Chargers.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What's Jimmy g situation? Where are we at on? Jimmy G?
Speaker 4: T at this.
Speaker 5: O'Brian hoyer game not could be an Aid O'Connell and
Speaker 5: why not, Aid O'Connell.
Speaker 1: This is this is the type of game Greg likes
Speaker 1: to lock up. Well charges five and a half right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Greg got a theory on that though, Well, I
Speaker 5: think that'll move outside the lock zone if Jimmy G
Speaker 5: doesn't play and that that I don't I'm not into
Speaker 5: the whole look into the mirror thing, but I think
Speaker 5: this is a good example.
Speaker 4: Like you don't want to be doing that.
Speaker 1: No, you could technically, but we will not. I yeah,
Speaker 1: like having watched now, the Justin Herbert performance was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, and yeah he got away with that
Speaker 1: throw at the end, but he made so many throws.
Speaker 1: I actually I had a check marks next to every
Speaker 1: time Justin Herbert made a big time throw, whether it
Speaker 1: was a scramble or just in a pocket and let
Speaker 1: them loose. And I counted nine just absurd throws that
Speaker 1: not many guys can make. And the Mike Williams thing sucks.
Speaker 1: He's out for the year at the ACL and they
Speaker 1: really now need their first round pick to step in
Speaker 1: and and be a difference maker, which apparently, behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: that was not the plan. The plan was to bring him,
Speaker 1: bringing him along slowly and maybe he's maybe next year
Speaker 1: is kind of his year, and now they need I.
Speaker 5: Think it just wasn't ready having him as like a
Speaker 5: plug and play right away. He was a bad a
Speaker 5: bad camp. They were saying it from the beginning. He
Speaker 5: didn't have a great preseason.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's see it will be telling Chargers fans
Speaker 1: holding their breaths right now, their breath because they need.
Speaker 1: You want your first round pick to have an impact.
Speaker 1: They took them twenty first overall, and now there's a
Speaker 1: big need at wide receiver. If he is not part
Speaker 1: of the game plan here, it's a red flag for sure.
Speaker 1: But you know, Austin Eckler, maybe you get him back here,
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be okay, especially if the
Speaker 1: Raiders don't have a quarterback. I think the Chargers have
Speaker 1: a chance here now to start stacking some wins. I
Speaker 1: like them a lot in this game. I do like
Speaker 1: them covering five and a half two. I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a Chargers They'll always let you down,
Speaker 1: and they came very close to blowing that game. Considering
Speaker 1: the level of play greg from the quarterback so far
Speaker 1: this season, they are one rushed vikings play and interception
Speaker 1: away and you know, turn into a touchdown to oh
Speaker 1: to three, Like it's only the Chargers. It's Chargers going
Speaker 1: to Charger. But maybe they can start building something here.
Speaker 1: Momentum starting against them.
Speaker 5: Well typical Chargers fashion, though they're like a couple weird
Speaker 5: plays from three and oh two. Right, It's just like
Speaker 5: each game has come down to a totally insane ending
Speaker 5: that they found a way to blow two of them
Speaker 5: and they won that last one. Sounds like they did
Speaker 5: get a nice pass rusher there with their second round pick,
Speaker 5: Tully Twy. Polotu was kind of dominant last week. He
Speaker 5: had ten pressures. Like that's a bigger game than we've
Speaker 5: seen out of Khalil Mack for a long time. So
Speaker 5: that's nice that you get another edge rusher. It really
Speaker 5: might have found something. He looks strong. Jace Jackson spoke
Speaker 5: this week and was very confused why he was bench.
Speaker 5: He doesn't understand it. He said he's one of the
Speaker 5: best players on the team, that he's doing everything that's asked,
Speaker 5: that he's.
Speaker 4: Doing more, and that he was quite upset.
Speaker 5: So this defense, which looked like a mess the first
Speaker 5: couple of weeks, I don't feel any better. I don't
Speaker 5: feel any better about his defense. And I'm not putting
Speaker 5: it past the Chargers to lose this game.
Speaker 4: To aid, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Gonna let jac He Jackson off the hook because he
Speaker 1: hasn't lived up to a very big contract. But God,
Speaker 1: you got to communicate with your players, and I feel
Speaker 1: like there's there's issues going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: Man his quote, like, uh, I don't know. It's so
Speaker 3: pointing at Staley and like, if anything, I thought Staley
Speaker 3: out of the gate was a coach that seemed of
Speaker 3: the new age where he would communicate well with players.
Speaker 3: He's a good communicator in general. And it's just like,
Speaker 3: what is going on with his team? You know? I
Speaker 3: point to like the playoff game last year after Brandon
Speaker 3: Staley mismanaged Mike Williams in the final week of the
Speaker 3: season without Mike Williams, and that if you had him
Speaker 3: in the Jaguars playoff game, I don't think you lose
Speaker 3: that thing.
Speaker 4: I think you win.
Speaker 3: And it's like this time it's not Staley's fault. You
Speaker 3: just lose Mike Williams again, who I thought completely helped.
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, who leads the league with thirty two receptions
Speaker 3: have this incredible season so far, and it's like arrowed
Speaker 3: down a little bit on that continuing this way because
Speaker 3: of what you mentioned about, like the rookie wide receiver
Speaker 3: in that situation. This is the kind of game where like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I trust the Chargers at all,
Speaker 3: but if you don't take care of business at home,
Speaker 3: and at home means something different for the Chargers than
Speaker 3: it does for every other team except the Rams for
Speaker 3: the most part.
Speaker 4: Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna do it? No?
Speaker 4: After he promised not to, Well, I was tempted to, but.
Speaker 5: Talking before the show and he was like, well he
Speaker 5: got a locker in two weeks after.
Speaker 3: Behind the glass and she like, we try to tell
Speaker 3: her who our lock is. No, it was like tell
Speaker 3: her who our lock is, and like I switched to
Speaker 3: three or four times my lock is to come, but
Speaker 3: I'm not touching the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Uh. This just popped up on my iPad. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: the Chandler Jones situation is not good. Raiders Edge who
Speaker 1: was put into some type of involuntary hold because of
Speaker 1: parent mental health issues. He came out, he got out
Speaker 1: of that and said that it was you know it
Speaker 1: was not something that he agreed to, and he's he's upset.
Speaker 1: I see a tweet from r G three. Let's all
Speaker 1: pray for Chandler Jones and his family. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with him right now, but after everything
Speaker 1: I've seen, I do know he needs to feel like
Speaker 1: he's being heard in this moment. I reached out to
Speaker 1: him and encouraged all of his NFL brothers to do
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 4: You know, it's fine. It's a nice tweet.
Speaker 1: Jones, ride's back, bro, You washed up RG such and such.
Speaker 1: Sit down. I'm still in the league. You twitter fingers
Speaker 1: why I like going on?
Speaker 4: That's good. I'm still in like you Twitter fingers is
Speaker 4: pretty good. Imagine D three.
Speaker 3: I mean, if nothing else, that's a kind spirited, kind
Speaker 3: hearted message to someone that.
Speaker 1: You're trying to but you're I think you're doing like
Speaker 1: I don't know, virtue signaling or not really.
Speaker 4: He said he was hospitalized against his will. It's all.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see.
Speaker 5: We don't know the full story, but it's all. It's
Speaker 5: all troubling, he said. They he was tried to force
Speaker 5: to take meds and medications, so it's all very upsetting
Speaker 5: and just on a football.
Speaker 4: Side of it.
Speaker 5: We've seen it in Cleveland, we've seen it with Las
Speaker 5: Vegas now last couple of years. One elite pass thrusher
Speaker 5: does not make a pass rush and the rest of
Speaker 5: the they just now are just sending three guys two
Speaker 5: guys at Crosby and the rest of that group's not.
Speaker 1: Stepping up unless you're Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4: But he had some guys with them. He had some
Speaker 4: guys with them, but.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that doesn't matter what you threw at him.
Speaker 1: That it was kind of good to see old Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald a little bit.
Speaker 5: But that's sort of a good example that like he
Speaker 5: can he can get it done. Crosby can get it done,
Speaker 5: but that's not enough. You still need other other guys.
Speaker 3: Well, they're also like the whole rest of the defense
Speaker 3: has been a disappointment for like roughly three hundred and
Speaker 3: forty years in a row.
Speaker 1: I have a developing news here.
Speaker 4: Okay, developing news.
Speaker 1: No, I have developing news, not breaking news.
Speaker 4: Come on, I would have noticed the difference what I
Speaker 4: do this.
Speaker 1: Because I'm talking walk. The x FL and USFL said
Speaker 1: Thursday that the two spring football leagues plan to merge
Speaker 1: and begin begin play next year. The move is subject
Speaker 1: to customary regulatory approvals. Yeah, I'll be checking out every
Speaker 1: one of those games. I'm not trying to be mean
Speaker 1: about this, but sometimes you just gotta say, Nah, this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work. Like what makes them think this is
Speaker 1: gonna work?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like there have been twelve of these organizations
Speaker 3: or these leagues.
Speaker 1: It's not for a lack of effort. And I understand
Speaker 1: what these people like Dwayne Johnson the Rock are going for.
Speaker 1: Like football is the most popular sport in this country.
Speaker 1: Let's let's move something to the spring. Let's go against
Speaker 1: like early season baseball, and I guess the NBA playoffs,
Speaker 1: which is tricky too, and uh, let's let's let's make
Speaker 1: a play. But it's like, it's just you're so much
Speaker 1: evidence that it's just not gonna happen. And maybe it
Speaker 1: almost kind of happened. Is a great ESPN thirty for
Speaker 1: thirty documentary about the usfl and and Donald Trump played
Speaker 1: a major role in that getting like torn asunder, but
Speaker 1: that was a long time ago, like and the landscape
Speaker 1: is different now, And it's just interesting that instead of
Speaker 1: after I would imagine abysmal ratings for both these leagues.
Speaker 5: And they've been okay, like compared to other sports, they've
Speaker 5: been okay. I think that's why, if anything, the two
Speaker 5: going against each other.
Speaker 1: Nobody loves football more than Greg. How many games have
Speaker 1: you watched?
Speaker 4: I I Am not going to be watching spring professional football,
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, like compared to like a like
Speaker 5: a baseball game that they put on nationally, like it'll
Speaker 5: beat that, like compared to like some some like a
Speaker 5: tennis final or whatever, Like they were getting okay ratings
Speaker 5: but making the money all work to like get the
Speaker 5: stadiums and all that stuff. You know, what, do they
Speaker 5: need a developmental league? I don't know if gonna get it.
Speaker 3: Been a better time ever then to I'd say relaunch
Speaker 3: with a limited amount of T teams the World League,
Speaker 3: Like I mean it when when there was a World
Speaker 3: leg it was like You're putting teams in Germany and
Speaker 3: all over the place. It's like it's a stretch. We
Speaker 3: don't know if it's gonna be popular. Right now, it's
Speaker 3: exploding all over the world.
Speaker 1: We have the International Pathway Program which is helping on
Speaker 1: that front, developed players elsewhere.
Speaker 3: It's literally different things. But a national league would be
Speaker 3: I mean this, you like, if you talk about the
Speaker 3: fact that you can't get people in like American cities
Speaker 3: to go watch a non NFL product, I think that's
Speaker 3: a tough sell. I mean, that's probably lower prices. But
Speaker 3: if you dotted them around international sites where there's this
Speaker 3: growing fervor for football.
Speaker 5: There was some success, like some success on TV and
Speaker 5: some success with some of the teams like Saint Louis.
Speaker 5: That place was rocking. They missed their professional football. They
Speaker 5: were packing it out. Uh, there was a few cities.
Speaker 5: So it's like, I don't know. I think professional football
Speaker 5: could use it though, because I think these players need
Speaker 5: a chance to develop and it's hard. It's hard the
Speaker 5: way the NFL offseason And Greg, I just did a little.
Speaker 1: Quick, little research on this. Yeah, so the average I'll
Speaker 1: use MLB Sunate night baseball gets one point five million eyeballs.
Speaker 1: The championship game for USFL drew one point two million.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's that's a lot of people like.
Speaker 1: That's the championship game, is what I'm saying. So you
Speaker 1: have a whole season of games that are drawing maybe
Speaker 1: a quarter of.
Speaker 5: That or I'm just saying, like in a in a
Speaker 5: world where there's a lot of sports on television, that
Speaker 5: that goes over the bar of like.
Speaker 1: But that that's the championship game, is right?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's no argument that it's this roaring success.
Speaker 3: Half of those are probably just on in like lonely bars.
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on, thank you, all right, go ahead, Wait,
Speaker 5: who's up?
Speaker 1: It's me?
Speaker 3: I believe, Yes, I'm gonna go Tampa Bay at New Orleans.
Speaker 3: No Derek Carr, but I don't mind that. I'm kind
Speaker 3: of into Jameis Wins and I know he's a bit
Speaker 3: of a disasters.
Speaker 1: This is what we're doing, what we're into Jameis Wins.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're at the back end of picking game. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a crazy thing, I know, I
Speaker 3: just like there's other things going on here. Oh what
Speaker 3: the New Orleans defense eleven straight games allowing twenty or
Speaker 3: fewer points. I trust them against the Tampa Bay team
Speaker 3: that I do not trust on offense. Beyond Mike Evans.
Speaker 3: I think what happened the last Baker Mayfield appearance we saw,
Speaker 3: I think it is closer to the norm that we're
Speaker 3: gonna get from him. I really struggle to find a
Speaker 3: lock this week. But then I saw this game and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm doing something a little weird because
Speaker 3: this these are two weird teams, but we're in New Orleans,
Speaker 3: one of the most like safe lock places to play.
Speaker 3: I think that New Orleans is an irritated, agitated team
Speaker 3: right now, and I'm gonna lock them up to take
Speaker 3: care of the Bucks. I don't trust the Bucks on
Speaker 3: any level right now. I also don't trust my actual lock,
Speaker 3: but that's locked.
Speaker 1: Up against Baker two weeks in a row now. Last
Speaker 1: week I thought was a very strong lock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is shaky.
Speaker 1: This is the Saints with their backup quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's fine. We have we have
Speaker 3: different I don't like I don't trust Derek Carr to
Speaker 3: go do anything either. So I'm different than you on
Speaker 3: Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Derek Carr will give you like a kind of a
Speaker 1: professional middling to higher bar like Jameis Winston's where he
Speaker 1: is for a reason at this point. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a personally, I think it's a significant downgrade to
Speaker 1: quarterback and they just blew a seventeen nothing lead. I'd
Speaker 1: be worried about that.
Speaker 3: I'd argue they had a seventeen nothing lead.
Speaker 1: And I will now in your favor, Alvin Kamara is back.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, Kamara, And like they kind of need that
Speaker 3: Taysom Hill was their leading rusher.
Speaker 4: Taysom Hills look good.
Speaker 5: I had, but I don't love that. I don't want
Speaker 5: my leading rusher to be Taysom now. But I like
Speaker 5: that they're not waiting around to involve him. I think
Speaker 5: there was like an issue of maybe car didn't want
Speaker 5: to come off the field and they didn't wait around
Speaker 5: last week, and Taysom Hill has been very effective for them.
Speaker 4: They just can't score in the red zone. Car.
Speaker 5: You know that that injury held onto the ball and
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, and they haven't scored in the red
Speaker 5: zone like they have moved the ball a ton And
Speaker 5: until this weekend, it's week versus week kind of went
Speaker 5: with their offensive line versus the Bucks pass rush.
Speaker 4: So which weak point?
Speaker 5: Uh wins out here because the Saints offensive line has
Speaker 5: really been a problem and it's a lot of guys
Speaker 5: that have been there for a while and a lot
Speaker 5: of guys making a decent amount of money.
Speaker 4: Ram check and they just paid Caesar Ruiz and McCoy
Speaker 4: and but they've been pretty bad and Ruiz has banged up.
Speaker 5: Jamis in a revenge game against his old team where
Speaker 5: he's feeling feelings and oh he'll be throwing under pressure.
Speaker 5: Makes me a little nervous. But I trust that the Saints.
Speaker 5: I'm with you that the Saints defense is the best
Speaker 5: group in this game. Yeah, they're given the Bucks three points.
Speaker 5: I think that's fair. I don't trust. I don't trust
Speaker 5: this Bucks offense at all, and there is a tough
Speaker 5: matchup against the Saints defense is good.
Speaker 1: The Saints were ten game minutes away on Sunday from
Speaker 1: getting the treatment that the Browns defense is getting this week,
Speaker 1: because they had been amazing until Jordan Love started going
Speaker 1: up and down the field on those last couple of drives.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've been.
Speaker 5: A a couple of crazy pr PI calls that to
Speaker 5: me change that game. Maybe the worst call of the
Speaker 5: season was that first long PI call on the Saints
Speaker 5: change second. Carlton Davis and Jamel Dean both might be out.
Speaker 5: Davis might be returning this week. He's missed a couple weeks,
Speaker 5: but that's their two starting cornerbacks for the.
Speaker 4: Buccaneers against pretty good ride receivers.
Speaker 3: Saints have not allowed a three hundred yard passer since
Speaker 3: Week nine of twenty twenty one. I mean this defense
Speaker 3: has been consistent of the defense that gave Tom Brady
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: I think this it's.
Speaker 5: Also the organa tough fourth quarter the same Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was also the organization that managed to lose that game.
Speaker 4: Somehow. There is something about this team well that they just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is probably a room on the Broncos bandwagon
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I would just say, like I will say, this place SMaL.
Speaker 3: This will impact Greg in our office because I what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do next. I'm gonna view as a charitable thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: because I have the next pick too, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Vikings at Carolina. I could have
Speaker 3: taken Shooks Pittsburgh at Houston game, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do that after last week's flairing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter anyway. See, we're giving him a third game.
Speaker 1: Wait, we have two loser home go home.
Speaker 5: Let us Yes, this is another loser goes Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 5: I I.
Speaker 3: Think the Vikings are just a far superior team to Carolina.
Speaker 3: I mean they they came back against the Eagles. They've
Speaker 3: been in these games. They're kind of getting the football
Speaker 3: gods like slap in the face, and these one score
Speaker 3: losses three in a row after last year's absurdity. It's
Speaker 3: been their turnover still. They have the most in the league,
Speaker 3: the most fumbles, the worst turnover margin. Kirk Cousins also
Speaker 3: leads the league with three hundred and fifty eight yards
Speaker 3: per game and nine touchdowns. It's like they've got weapons.
Speaker 3: You've still got the best wide receiver in football. I
Speaker 3: don't know what Carolina can really do to counter this.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get Bryce Young back. It sounds like he
Speaker 3: hasn't thrown for more than one hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 3: in either of his two starts. I think the better
Speaker 3: team with Andy Dalton, but you're not gonna play any Dalton.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 3: I think Frank Reich's in a tough spot. There aren't
Speaker 3: a lot of weapons around Bryce Song. It's like you're
Speaker 3: gonna argue that the Vikings can be vulnerable here. It's like,
Speaker 3: what is it about Carolina that tells you that they're
Speaker 3: banged up on defense?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 3: I just kind of like the idea of Minnesota course
Speaker 3: correcting getting this right. You know, the last team that
Speaker 3: went to the playoffs after an no and four start.
Speaker 3: I remember this team because I'm a little older than
Speaker 3: you guys, be probably only one right, the nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: two Chargers. It is the last and only team that
Speaker 3: ever did that. The Stan humphreyes Bobby Ross team, you
Speaker 3: guys would have been about maybe twelve or somely.
Speaker 4: The thirteen for a little Chargers Stan humph.
Speaker 1: They went to the Super Bowl couple years later, with
Speaker 1: I was I.
Speaker 5: Wasn't tracking that team that closely while I was making
Speaker 5: my Sunday afternoon trips to grand Grandpa's house.
Speaker 1: But I almost want to shoot. I always want to
Speaker 1: jump out of my locks. I love the vikings in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 3: Right, wait a minute, I'm gonna jump out of my lock.
Speaker 3: Forget the Saints. I'm taking the vikings.
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous. No, it's not.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the vikings. They're gonna go into Marolina.
Speaker 4: And the sound effect. Ready, that's okay, come on it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if they played it last time,
Speaker 3: Like that's okay.
Speaker 1: Something about this game that just gets under Greg's what
Speaker 1: what game? This game? This lock game? It's just something
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 4: Know, this is fun.
Speaker 5: I like it actually because I I don't want the
Speaker 5: Saints to be cruising though Sunday out.
Speaker 4: I'm actually, you know what, it's self interest.
Speaker 1: Payton, Mark Sassel, you and I ride to Valhalla.
Speaker 4: Yes we will.
Speaker 1: We're locking them together. Let's go.
Speaker 4: We did this last year.
Speaker 3: I think our record was like five and one when
Speaker 3: we when we joined the books.
Speaker 4: I am not rooting for Sean Payton. Let me pass
Speaker 4: the room for one more.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I got a text from.
Speaker 4: This is good. This did not come from him, but
Speaker 4: Mackie phil Soon picked the Vikings.
Speaker 1: This he's the is this of the bunch I find
Speaker 1: the most intellectually seasoned.
Speaker 5: Although he is in our kids Fantasy League and Return
Speaker 5: of the Mac Great Fantasy Name. That is by Mackie
Speaker 5: taking a pretty big l to both my kids last year.
Speaker 1: I have to say, Okay, that's a good point.
Speaker 4: He takes us straight.
Speaker 3: And why do you need to tell like two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand people.
Speaker 1: Then, and I will point out that, you know, Nick
Speaker 1: has been pretty quiet now since that failed lock that
Speaker 1: big day. I'm just gonna leave it there, just he's
Speaker 1: been quiet, not.
Speaker 5: A lot of honking this. This makes sense as a
Speaker 5: as a lock. Kirk Cousins, I think, on balance is
Speaker 5: playing better this year than last year. I don't even
Speaker 5: think that's a hot take. My take all last year
Speaker 5: was this is sneaky, like one of kirk Cousins' worst
Speaker 5: seasons in Minnesota, except he's been balling out in the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter and that does make up for it.
Speaker 4: But this year he has been good. I think he's
Speaker 4: been really good. Inconsistent. Yeah, this year, gotcha.
Speaker 5: They're by far the best group in this game, and
Speaker 5: now you've added a big time weapon in Addison. I'm
Speaker 5: really impressed and by Jordan Addison because he's nailing like
Speaker 5: the timing routes where it's anticipation and you can tell
Speaker 5: kirk Cousins trusts him. He's letting go to the ball
Speaker 5: before Addison even makes his breaks, and it's just like, wow,
Speaker 5: we got a nice number two here, we got a
Speaker 5: nice number three.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 5: I am the the world's you know, second biggest Panthers fan.
Speaker 5: Though this week, I mean I'm rooting against three locks.
Speaker 5: Knock all these guys out. This would be great. Let's go.
Speaker 1: You and oh.
Speaker 4: Please, I want you Toppy. Yes, I'm sure you'll be
Speaker 4: rooting for you know, in the Patriots. That's what you'll
Speaker 4: be doing this week.
Speaker 1: All right up, next last pick for me, I will
Speaker 1: grab this an easy one, Cincinnati at Tennessee. It's it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough. We talked about it in a month. It's tough
Speaker 1: watching Joe Burrow. This is just gonna be a thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a thing. And I still He had
Speaker 1: a quote that I really thought summed up nicely what
Speaker 1: I kind of thought where his headspace was and where
Speaker 1: the team was going into week three because they were
Speaker 1: owned two and they said, you know how you feeling,
Speaker 1: and like, why did you choose to play? I don't
Speaker 1: know the exact frame of the question, but he's like,
Speaker 1: my leg the way it feels right now, it's a
Speaker 1: lot better than oh and three would have felt if
Speaker 1: I didn't play. So it's like that kind of in
Speaker 1: a way told me that if they were two and
Speaker 1: oh instead of owned two. I wonder if he's actually
Speaker 1: they're doing the thing that they probably should be doing,
Speaker 1: which is just getting him out of the picture for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. But when you put yourself in
Speaker 1: that early hole in a very competitive division and you
Speaker 1: have it's super Bowl or bust kind of in Sinsey,
Speaker 1: you all these outside things come in and there's Burrow
Speaker 1: limping around quick, working out of shotgun the entire game,
Speaker 1: ball out of his hands, totally changing the way the
Speaker 1: offense is. Is going to get better this week? Or
Speaker 1: is this just what it is now and the way
Speaker 1: it will be until God, I don't want to say it,
Speaker 1: but until the calf goes out and he's fourced out
Speaker 1: of the lineup. The good news is Tennessee two out
Speaker 1: of three weeks has been pitiful Offensively. They are a
Speaker 1: defense that I would be frightened as a Bengals fan
Speaker 1: that I'm going on the road against that mean defensive
Speaker 1: line and Joe Burrow again is going to have to
Speaker 1: get the ball out quickly. And Mike Vrabel knows what
Speaker 1: he's doing over there, so he's probably going to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I watched that Monday game. I know what they're going
Speaker 1: to try to do here, and I think what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do here is whatever that under is. There's no
Speaker 1: I don't rain make over here, but this is a
Speaker 1: forty one and a half under. I think this is
Speaker 1: screaming out as like a sixteen to thirteen type game,
Speaker 1: Bengals again battle tested. But also I think this is
Speaker 1: a tough spot. I think the Titans have a chance
Speaker 1: to get a big win for them. With Cincinnati being
Speaker 1: as compromised as they are.
Speaker 3: This feels I'm with you that this feels like such
Speaker 3: a tight contest. I do like the I mean, Tennessee
Speaker 3: has shown an absolute vulnerability on offense, and I don't
Speaker 3: think you need to be a top five defense to
Speaker 3: shut him down. They just they lack weapons. I think
Speaker 3: it's easy to get Tannehill office spot in this situation
Speaker 3: behind an offensive line that's really wanting, and I mean
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson has been one of the best free agent
Speaker 3: signings around of the last couple of years, dominant against
Speaker 3: the Rams, Logan Wilson dominant, and I just think that
Speaker 3: the consistency that this defense has, they're gonna have to
Speaker 3: ride it because I think their offense is going to
Speaker 3: be a tough watch. And you're right, the calf might
Speaker 3: go at some point or we're just not gonna get
Speaker 3: the burrow that we're used to. But I do trust
Speaker 3: this defense to win tight games like this, to do
Speaker 3: what they did against the Rams when you play an
Speaker 3: offensive line like Tennessee. I think they're in a bit
Speaker 3: of tough spot here.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but it doesn't it feel inevitable,
Speaker 1: Like if they continue to just send him out there.
Speaker 3: Isn't it hard? It's like the kind of injury it's
Speaker 3: hard to watch because he's like they're gunning it on
Speaker 3: the sideline, he said, moving well.
Speaker 5: He said, the calfs should get better every week. I
Speaker 5: should be able to do more every week, as long
Speaker 5: as I don't.
Speaker 4: Aggravate it again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but which he managed to avoid last week, and
Speaker 5: he managed to avoid I guess the first few weeks
Speaker 5: because this injury really was never gone. And that's what
Speaker 5: people were saying from the very beginning. I think it's
Speaker 5: very limiting. I'm with you, Dan, like he maybe he's
Speaker 5: better this week, but this is a much better opposition
Speaker 5: in terms of the defense that he's facing, the defensive
Speaker 5: coaching staff, that he's facing, the defensive line, and yeah,
Speaker 5: this this thing's gonna be ugly as hell. And Andre
Speaker 5: Dillard has been killing the the Titans at left tackle
Speaker 5: for multiple games, and that's where Hendrickson's gonna be lined up.
Speaker 5: It feels like every completion Ryan Tannehill has is like, wow,
Speaker 5: that was amazing. Like every completion is like him getting
Speaker 5: crushed and some receiver having to make a great catch,
Speaker 5: like while he's well covered. That's not a way to
Speaker 5: run an offense. Like you hit four of those a game,
Speaker 5: and everything else is just.
Speaker 4: Like so hard.
Speaker 3: They were that way last year a lot, and that's
Speaker 3: how Tannehill winds up out of the lineup.
Speaker 4: Give me some more mixin.
Speaker 5: I know the Titans are a good run defense, but
Speaker 5: Mixon has been looking a few years younger this year.
Speaker 4: I like the way Joe Mixon's running that ball, running
Speaker 4: that rock. Big game.
Speaker 5: This is sneaky, actually one of the biggest games of
Speaker 5: the week because it's a in theory Super Bowl contender
Speaker 5: that could really be put in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, I hope he's okay. I just feel
Speaker 1: like we are heading towards something unpleasant.
Speaker 4: On the brink.
Speaker 1: All right, one more game, Greg, Oh, there is Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: at Houston.
Speaker 5: I thought we were doing Pittsburgh at Houston. Fun one
Speaker 5: uh and involves C. J. Stroud and right now.
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 5: Stroud is one of these stories of the twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three seasons.
Speaker 4: I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 5: Sure, his pocket movement, his decision making, he's one of
Speaker 5: those guys right now when you freeze the tape at
Speaker 5: the back of his drop, you think, Okay, where's he going?
Speaker 5: And he makes a rising decisions where he'll anticipate and
Speaker 5: he'll throw it down the field. He'll make the tougher
Speaker 5: throw like he's not just taking check downs, he's he's
Speaker 5: looking at the coverage. And man, I think this stuff
Speaker 5: is really translatable. I think he's played as well in
Speaker 5: his first three games entering the league as anyone you know,
Speaker 5: since Herbert since you know, Burrow had kind of a
Speaker 5: weird start, but Burrow too, And I'm not trying to
Speaker 5: steal any points or dan Orlofsky said it, and when
Speaker 5: he said it, it clicked into me that Stroud reminds
Speaker 5: him a lot of Burrow, and I think that's right.
Speaker 5: I think they they win in similar sort of ways.
Speaker 5: They have a similar level of athleticism. That's enough.
Speaker 1: Can we get just like a trigger warning? What ear
Speaker 1: muffs the Panthers fans right now?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not.
Speaker 5: To me, Stroud looking great isn't anything about Bryce Young.
Speaker 5: I'm willing to just see what is going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm just Stroud in the potential class of a guy
Speaker 1: or yeah, of Burrow, and it's like, oh, you better
Speaker 1: be good Bryce, right.
Speaker 5: And I'm not even putting like Stroud that he's gonna
Speaker 5: but the stuff that he does to me is like
Speaker 5: quarterbacky stuff, like like that what I was talking about
Speaker 5: with Dak before, where it's like, man, that stuff translate.
Speaker 5: It's a type of quarterback I like. Gino to me
Speaker 5: is one of those types of quarterbacks. Phil Rivers was
Speaker 5: one one of those types of quarterbacks where you can
Speaker 5: just see it where he's doing some next level stuff
Speaker 5: right away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he.
Speaker 1: Looks into like here's some Hall of famers or potential
Speaker 1: Hall famers.
Speaker 4: Now, that's actually what I was trying to do.
Speaker 5: I was trying to bring back like I'm not just
Speaker 5: saying he's gonna be a top five quarterback. I'm saying
Speaker 5: the type of quarterback is. And then I brought a
Speaker 5: couple other ones out like Rivers in Gina.
Speaker 3: I just think it's so impressive when you're doing it
Speaker 3: like right away, he's also like you just want a
Speaker 3: rookie to not like create problems and mistakes, like no
Speaker 3: interceptions through one hundred and twenty one pass attempts, the
Speaker 3: first quarterback to do in his first three starts, going
Speaker 3: back to Warren Moon. I mean, it's like, and Warren
Speaker 3: Moon hit the NFL is not a rookie. It's this
Speaker 3: is like it looks like the way he's so far
Speaker 3: ahead of Picket, it kind of that's what like obviously
Speaker 3: he's pickets something. The way he throws the ball, you
Speaker 3: can just see it. And like, you know, people are
Speaker 3: very low, low expectations about this offense, but you can
Speaker 3: see their weapons and some of their wide receivers starting
Speaker 3: to play better. It sounds like they won't have Laramy
Speaker 3: Tunzel this week, but like Jalen Peetrace sounds like he'll
Speaker 3: play potentially. Like that's big on defense, and it's like
Speaker 3: I don't trust the Steelers offense.
Speaker 5: I do trust their defense though, and so don't come
Speaker 5: back to meet people Steelers fans when if Strout has
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty yards and a pick this week,
Speaker 5: Like they've been very lucky the types of pass rushers
Speaker 5: they've gone against. And he's been protected well enough. I
Speaker 5: don't know if that continues this week, where the Steelers
Speaker 5: could just dominate and.
Speaker 1: You and you know, you could hide a young quarterback
Speaker 1: like the Falcons did at the end of last year
Speaker 1: with Ritter and it's like, oh, he's not he's not
Speaker 1: turning the ball over, and but with he's not really
Speaker 1: doing anything either, like c J. Stroud, I think is
Speaker 1: like pushing the ball downfield. He's he's accurate as advertised,
Speaker 1: and yeah, his supporting cast isn't great, but it's all
Speaker 1: a much like guys like you know, Nico Collins.
Speaker 4: He's kind of doing something. I like them, Robert Woods,
Speaker 4: I like, take a role here.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is fine, like these Damian Pierce, although it's
Speaker 1: been a slow start. Like these are all guys that
Speaker 1: with a good quarterback, a productive quarterback, that offense will
Speaker 1: score points. And right now they have that, so you know,
Speaker 1: you take that and then you say, oh, Will Anderson
Speaker 1: had another huge play last week the blockfield goal. And
Speaker 1: I know we don't like to hand out any flowers
Speaker 1: to Houston's front office, but they might have nailed the
Speaker 1: most important first round of their draft since you know years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've been like in a coaching abyss, and
Speaker 3: I think Tamiko Ryans like it seems like he's a
Speaker 3: difference making.
Speaker 1: So those are so good.
Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick has been a good offensive cornator coming from
Speaker 3: the Shanahan world. So it's like they're organized. There's something
Speaker 3: happening here where it's like been years of this.
Speaker 5: This is a much bigger test against the Steelers defense,
Speaker 5: especially for the Texans offense. So on the other side
Speaker 5: of the ball, you know, it's not as big a test.
Speaker 5: I didn't come out of that Raiders game like all
Speaker 5: that more confident and pickt in what's going on. But
Speaker 5: it's another chance for the Texans to kind of make
Speaker 5: make themselves a real story you want, you want to
Speaker 5: really get people's attention, go to and too. That place
Speaker 5: will be wild because that is a great football town
Speaker 5: and they're waiting for something.
Speaker 4: They now got a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's interesting watching the Texans and it's like, oh, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the world of a living. Like they've just
Speaker 1: been kind of kind of in the NFL for a
Speaker 1: couple of years and now it's like, oh, they're in
Speaker 1: the NFL, like a real team that plays games that
Speaker 1: you want to watch.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's all progress one quarterback. It really does, it
Speaker 5: really does change everything.
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