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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? It's Your Girl to Rica

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Speaker 3: What's up, y'all? Is your girls?

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Speaker 2: Cheryl swoop Hey and this is the levels to this.

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Speaker 4: This is the show where we talked about there's levels

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Speaker 4: to the shit that women go through. We've got a

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Speaker 4: very good show coming up today. You're gonna talk about

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Speaker 4: some recent news that's been hitting the NBA waves, some

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Speaker 4: new coaching hires in the WNBA. But first, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if y'all know, But if you didn't know, tell

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Speaker 4: us Tunder's Day.

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Speaker 3: Yay.

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Speaker 4: November twelve, nineteen twenty two is when Signia Ga Moreau

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Speaker 4: Sorority Incorporated was a stuff at Butler University in Indianapolis, Indiana,

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Speaker 4: by seven phenomenal school teachers, educators, doctors, women who stood

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Speaker 4: at the test of time. Our founders were walking past

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Speaker 4: the KKK every day to make sure that black women

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Speaker 4: and all people could be whatever it was that they

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Speaker 4: wanted to be. They stood through everything and here it is.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and three years later. We are over one

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Speaker 4: hundred plus thousand women strong. We got chapters across the

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Speaker 4: world and Germany, in Africa, in Europe, we everywhere baby

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Speaker 4: in South America.

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Speaker 2: In the Kribean and Canada.

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Speaker 4: Like there ain't no place you can go in Japan,

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Speaker 4: in Dubai, We're nowhere that you can go in.

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Speaker 2: That thing beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, amit what you're doing tonight?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god, listen, okay,

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Speaker 1: because you know me and my emotions, but they're good emotions.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know. I don't know if I ever

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Speaker 1: thought that I would be a sister, a member of

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Speaker 1: Sigma Gamma Row Incorporated. And to be able to share this,

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Speaker 1: this moment with you, this conversation with you, happy Founder's Day,

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Speaker 1: This has meant so much more to me than I

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Speaker 1: could have ever imagined that, you know, when you and

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Speaker 1: I had the conversation and I decided to join, like

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Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be great because I

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Speaker 1: told you then it was to me it was getting

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Speaker 1: sisters that I that I've always wanted and never had,

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Speaker 1: and not just one, but thousands, hundreds of thousands of sisters,

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Speaker 1: and so it's just been remarkable how even the ones

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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily know, or the ones you haven't met.

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Speaker 3: How they just show up. We just show up for

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Speaker 3: each other.

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Speaker 1: And that is physically show up, that is spiritually show up.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you need anything, all you got to do is

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Speaker 1: pick up a phone a text. And I know I've

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Speaker 1: hit you several times like, Sis, do you know do

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Speaker 1: we have a soroar that is in insurance, in banking

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Speaker 1: and real estate and whatever it is?

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Speaker 3: And you like, yeah, we do. Let me find out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we everywhere. So it's just been amazing. It's been

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Speaker 1: an amazing ride for me thus far. And girl, let

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Speaker 1: me get the tears out, because I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: go shake my book out.

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Speaker 2: I am so.

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Speaker 4: I genuinely am filled with joy when I hear you

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Speaker 4: say this, because the last thing that I would ever

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Speaker 4: do is to introduce somebody to Sigma and have them

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Speaker 4: tell me that they've had a bad experience. I'd be like, no,

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Speaker 4: that's not what we're about. To know that this sisterhood

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Speaker 4: has been as welcoming to you as it has been

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Speaker 4: to me, and you're only four months in. I've been

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Speaker 4: doing this thing for almost ten years night. So if

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Speaker 4: years difference, that's how you know it is real.

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Speaker 2: So happy First Founders, stay to you. I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: I know you're gonna have a good time hanging out

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Speaker 4: with the sores in Houston. I'm about to go up

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Speaker 4: here at Aka Fool. I'm gonna party hop. I'm going

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Speaker 4: about full different spots. You know what I mean, because

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Speaker 4: you know how I get down. Of course, you know

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Speaker 4: I'm already on my second outfit. I got more left.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what we're doing

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Speaker 3: You know I don't be outside night, but for Founders, don't.

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Speaker 2: I love it? I love it? Well.

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Speaker 3: You know I won't be out too late, but I

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Speaker 4: Be as like as you ain't outside playing poker straight

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Speaker 4: outside playing poker with the mob. No, because I mean

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Speaker 2: The little that know you might like a little texes

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Speaker 3: No, I don't like nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like no with the mob. So we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to go ahead and understand why these

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Speaker 4: NBA players are out here swindling folks playing poker with

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Speaker 4: some people who they probably don't have no business playing

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Speaker 4: poker with. That's that's crazy, crazy at all. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: I ain't even no reason for us to even beat around.

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Speaker 4: next level, all right, Cherrel.

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Speaker 1: I know that you like to play poker because I

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Speaker 4: And I mean I like the sports petsu gambling is

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Speaker 4: my like I don't want to say it's my thing,

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Speaker 2: Have fun with it.

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Speaker 3: It's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Right, I have fund except

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Speaker 3: for what I love.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, well, yeah, right, I mean, there you go.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to lose neither.

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Speaker 2: Now that right. That bussed me off.

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Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think you and I

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Speaker 4: done in an appropriate fashion, it has boundaries, and then

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Speaker 4: But why your people don't know it? Well, why why

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know what is going on.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have felt a certain type of way kind of

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Speaker 1: on both sides of this whole. NBA referees mafia gamblings crazy.

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Speaker 4: So okay, So for those who've been living under a rock,

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Speaker 4: Plays for the Miami Heat, Damon Jones like these are

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Speaker 4: games using non public information. So there was a scenario

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Speaker 4: So so when Terry get hurt around the ten minute mark,

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Speaker 3: At which part, like who are you saying? Who are

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Speaker 3: Or that the.

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Speaker 2: Players are this entire the entirety of it all.

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Speaker 4: So we have, you know, recently had shows where we've

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Speaker 3: You know why I'm gonna let you finish because here's

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Speaker 1: I really don't care because what they're doing does not

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Speaker 1: affect my day to day. It doesn't affect me whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: You know, what does affect me the government shut down.

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Speaker 4: I'm also trying to keep in perspective that these are

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Speaker 4: I just really don't give a damn about who out

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Speaker 4: fuck around with the mob. I'm from Detroit. Fact, does

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Speaker 4: the mob still exists?

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Speaker 2: Honey?

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Speaker 4: Still, it still exists in Well And if anybody understood

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Speaker 4: whole point is for them to be non existent, invisible.

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Speaker 4: They supposed to be in the back. They operate in

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Speaker 4: That was John Gotti and all his foolishness. They don't

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Speaker 2: So they still exist.

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Speaker 4: If y'all want to mess around with the mob, that's

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let y'all have it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not just that I watched enough Robert de Niro

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Speaker 2: Understand how the mob.

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Speaker 4: I last Martin Scorsese taught me among the several films

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Speaker 4: to mess around with them. However, I do think that

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Speaker 4: that's where you lost me, Because could you imagine walking

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Speaker 4: in your locker room, Shirl, and you seeing Tina. You

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Speaker 2: You'll be like bitch, what you're doing that?

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Speaker 1: So so here's here's my thing. And again, because I

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Speaker 1: wasn't there, I don't know. I don't know none of it, right,

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Speaker 1: But I don't care about illegal poker games.

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Speaker 3: I really don't.

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Speaker 1: It ain't my money, that ain't affecting my pocket, that

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Speaker 1: ain't affecting my household, that ain't putting food or taking

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Speaker 1: Why why did or is the government involved?

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Speaker 3: Seriously, do you know what I mean? Like right right,

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Speaker 4: So I know that there is a division of the

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Speaker 2: To which we all know is illegal as hell.

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Speaker 4: So part of the charges that Chauncey Billups has is

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Speaker 4: So it's not that I don't understand why this would

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Speaker 4: Think the biggest thing is the timing is crazy, and

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Speaker 4: It's that you guys had all this information already, and

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Speaker 2: So it seems as if the NBA have been able.

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Speaker 4: To handle their own perpetrators as it relates to gambling

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Speaker 3: Next news come from, Yes, that's my point.

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Speaker 4: When it's like the timing of it is terrible, and

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Speaker 4: And I think I would agree that that's that right there,

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Speaker 3: I mean, NBA season just kind of started.

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Speaker 4: We were two days in this, see yeah, two days,

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Speaker 4: Don't gamble on on women's sports, But do you think

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Speaker 4: So I'm wondering, do you think because of what's happening

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Speaker 4: I can't do this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do know that players aren't allowed to write

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Speaker 4: I ain't never seen no policy that say WNBA coaches

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Speaker 3: I don't know that either. I just think it's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But you you open this door, and I'm talking about NBA.

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Speaker 1: That's those are the only pictures we've seen. But yet

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Speaker 4: And they will kill you if you decide that you

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Speaker 4: You better like you can't, like you can't. So it's unfortunate,

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Speaker 4: who blames fan duel, DraftKings, sports betting.

440
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't blame none of them.

441
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: You are grown ass man, You're right, you know right

442
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: from wrong, that sport, all of.

443
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: Them gambling stuff. That shit is for the fans. It's

444
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: not for you. Like if you're.

445
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: Gonna bet bet on football, like bet on something else?

446
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: All what are we doing? Oh are we doing? So?

447
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: Like for me, I'm not one who faults any of

448
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: these gambling entities that are out here because it really

449
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: ain't for you.

450
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: It's for fans to enjoy and to have fun.

451
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: And we can have a whole different conversation on Yeah, like,

452
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: it's not for you, it's not for you. You know

453
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: that that type of stuff is not something that you

454
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: could capitalize on when you agree to accept the privilege

455
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: to play a professional sport. It just comes with the territory.

456
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: You're grown ass man, you know better. I'm not finna

457
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: blame fan duel on your bullshit.

458
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: I agree with that. I don't either. But where does

459
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 3: Adam Silver fit in all of this?

460
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 4: I think that's a great question about Adam Silver because

461
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: he has made a statement and talking about this isn't

462
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: for our league and all this other stuff. But I

463
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: do remember that when Porter pled guilty to wirefrag conspiracy

464
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: in federal court, they were supposed to sentence him this year.

465
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 4: He could face up to twenty years in prison. Like,

466
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 4: these kinds of things do come with serious consequences. So

467
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure Adam Silver Is gonna have a lot of

468
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: things to say over the next couple of weeks because

469
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: as more information comes out about this stuff, they gonna

470
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: be facing some real serious federal time and you're gonna

471
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: have to get a better handle on what's going on

472
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: as it relates to gambling in your league.

473
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no doubt, John Tay John Tay.

474
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: Porter, John Tay Porter. Yes, all of it's.

475
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: Very interesting to me.

476
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: And I don't want to make any assumptions yeap that

477
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: you know so and so did this or said that.

478
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: But since let me answer you this question before we

479
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: move on, just say it's you and I in this situation, right,

480
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Are you snitching?

481
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: Girl? I don't know what you're talking about.

482
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like you, are you going down by yourself?

483
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you're going down by yourself?

484
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, First of all, I am my mom.

485
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: Ain't raised no snitch. Snitches get stitches, is where.

486
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: I can they do? They do, that's what they say.

487
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: But I'm all.

488
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Gonna tell you that.

489
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: I look good in a lot of colors.

490
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: Orange A one of them, bitch, orange, A one of them.

491
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 4: Na and I and I didn't have to. I didn't

492
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: have to put on some navy blues a few times.

493
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna leave them.

494
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: We're gonna leave that conversation out. We say that at

495
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: the time, we're gonna I don't have to put on

496
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: a little little kaki every once in a while.

497
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: I don't like to go back to those neither.

498
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: So if I got to go to jail, all y'all,

499
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: finna go to.

500
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: Jail, you need some happening.

501
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 4: We about We about to be a whole ass gang

502
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 4: up in here, okay.

503
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Because I think the whole situation is interesting.

504
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: It's just I know, snitches get stitches.

505
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: But I know you've seen New Jack City at the

506
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: end was like I got a whole bunch of mothers

507
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: I taking down with me.

508
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: And then yeah, American Gangster two with Denzel Washington when

509
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: they caught his ass at the end, but he went

510
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: to writing down. He was on the board writing down there.

511
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna connect the dots. Let me connect the dots

512
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: to be I.

513
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: Know we're laughing about it, but I just I don't know.

514
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope everything is on the up and

515
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: up and we move on from this.

516
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: I really, I really do hope everything comes out and

517
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: people and and and they should take these things seriously.

518
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: I just, you know, to put a bowl on this.

519
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: I just think the timing is interesting, and I do

520
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: hope that whatever illegal things happen comes to the forefront

521
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: and folks, you know, they they they got to handle

522
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: their business. If you I love Chauncey Billips as a

523
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: player he you know, played for Detroit, won.

524
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: A championship with us.

525
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: Like as a Pistons fan, it was incredibly unfortunate to

526
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: see his name tied into it. I saw somebody tried

527
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: to put type in Kevin Garnett. Kevin Gardner said, no,

528
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: I thought he was going to a party. I walked

529
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: in and walked right out.

530
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: He said, don't put me in there. Don't put me in.

531
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: The KG said, ain't no, ain't no holes here.

532
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: I got to go, No, you ain't playing, you ain't

533
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: playing KG, she ain't playing.

534
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: Ain't here. I got to go on.

535
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: This a't me me.

536
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

537
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: But as I bring up women's basketball though, and I

538
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: hope this situation never ever ever touches the w n

539
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: b A, never ever ever touches the What I do

540
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: think is interesting is that there have been some recent

541
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: w n B A hires, and when we come back

542
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: from the other side of the break, we'll talk about

543
00:29:49,000 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 4: a couple. Be right back, all right, sis, So before

544
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: we get out of here today, we definitely got a

545
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 4: touch on the w NBA coaching carousel. There were five

546
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: openings this year. Seattle needed a coach, New York needed

547
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: a coach, Dallas needed a coach. Of course, Toronto and

548
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: Portland also needed a coach. So I've been wondering what

549
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: these coaching replacements were gonna look like, because it wasn't

550
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: lost on any of us that a couple of years

551
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: ago we had several black women who were head coaches

552
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: for former players got an opportunity to be head coaches,

553
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: and last year, when we saw those openings be felled,

554
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: we did not see an equal balance of us in

555
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: those positions. So I was really curious, especially after the

556
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: firing of Noel Quinn, who was the only black woman

557
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: left at that time. And again, I think you and

558
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: I have both had this conversation where we said, we're

559
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 4: not necessarily saying that, No, we shouldn't have been let go,

560
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: like it wasn't like her performances, you know, were at

561
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: the top of their game. So we weren't necessarily saying,

562
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, y'all are being racist by firing the black women.

563
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: No, we weren't saying that.

564
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: But it's just when you get rid of one, to

565
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: not replace, to not bring others, to not really make

566
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: the league coaching staff feel like it's a diverse place.

567
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Like players notice that, fans notice that. We noticed that.

568
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: But they have hired five of the four of the

569
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: five places have hired new coaches. So first Seattle have

570
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: hired Sonya Raymond, who was at first the last year

571
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: she was on the assistant she was on the bench

572
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: as an assistant with Sandy Brondelo in the New York Liberty.

573
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: But now she is she's gonna be in Seattle. What

574
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: you think about this particular choice, shall I say, for

575
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: Seattle or is there somebody else you thought maybe would

576
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: have taken that spot or you know, what do you

577
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: what do you? What do you think about Seattle's coaching decision?

578
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say.

579
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: One, because I don't know Sonia like that, right, I

580
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: know she's been on Sandy's staff. What I'm happy about

581
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: is that they did hire a woman of color. I'm

582
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: happy about that. I think I probably had thoughts in

583
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: my head of who I would like for them to

584
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: at least talk to.

585
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have a question.

586
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: I know you asked me a question and they say

587
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: you never answer a question with a question, but I

588
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: need to ask.

589
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: You this question. Do you think.

590
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: That because I'm using Seattle right now? Because Seattle had Nooie, right,

591
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: they had a black woman and her whole staff was

592
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: predominantly black.

593
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: She had pokey ebony.

594
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Do you think Seattle was like, Okay, we had a

595
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: black woman, gave her a shot.

596
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: She's been here and I don't even remember how many years. No,

597
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: he was the head coach. That they were just like,

598
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: we don't want to hire another black woman. We want

599
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: to go.

600
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Like in a different direction. And I know they hired

601
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: a woman of color, right, but it's I don't know,

602
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: you mean like an African American.

603
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. Yeah. And

604
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: the reason why I asked.

605
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: That question though, well, there's just so many black women

606
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: that I can think of off the top of my

607
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: head that have put in their their time. Because you know,

608
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: so many times people want to say, yeah, but she

609
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have the coaching experience. Here's my thing to that.

610
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: You can take a player who played twenty some odd

611
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: years and to me, that's great experience. I'm not saying

612
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: that because they played twenty years that makes them better

613
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: qualified or that should be the coach. This isn't just

614
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: for Seattle, this is all the new hires. I'm just

615
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: asking for a fair shot and opportunity, Like did you

616
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: even interview the Christy Tolliver's, the Brion Januaries.

617
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 3: It's Teresa Weatherson who won't get another shot?

618
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: Like That's kind of where my thoughts were when all

619
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: these openings came was can we just at least interview

620
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: some black women? And I don't know how many of

621
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: these open positions actually did that, And that's where I

622
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: get disappointed.

623
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: And I understand that to me that makes a lot

624
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: of sense because I would agree to an extent that

625
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: you definitely should have considered, there were a lot of

626
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: people who I think would be great head coaches that

627
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: have to displayed that they would be have great head coaches,

628
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: have done their time as assistant coaches, have coached in

629
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: different levels in differently.

630
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: Christie Tolliver has coached in the NBA, the w NA.

631
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: Like she has played her you know, and so and

632
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: so has Sonya right, like Sonya. She actually reminds me

633
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: a lot of Natalie when it comes to background, Like

634
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: Natalie Ka you know, she she had you know, she

635
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: was used to be an assistant for the Memphis Grizzlies,

636
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: And that to me seems to be the way that

637
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: a lot of people are going nowadays, like they're looking

638
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: for this NBA validation in their coaches, which is something

639
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 4: that's interesting to me because you know, when I look

640
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: on the other side, I don't see a ton of

641
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: NBA teams looking at women who have coached at the

642
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: collegiate level or the w NBA and asking them to

643
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: come over and be coaches in their league.

644
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Not a lot, not a lot at all. So I

645
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: thought that that was interesting.

646
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: But to your point, I do agree that I like

647
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: the fact that they did at least give this opportunity

648
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: to one a woman and to a woman of color,

649
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 4: to at least keep some type of diversity and thought

650
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 4: and practice and action, because it's not just hey, I'm

651
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: just trying to say we need to hire a black

652
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: woman because she's black. I mean, sure, you want to

653
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 4: show support in that way, but at the same time,

654
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: you want a coach that can resonate and can really

655
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: understand the experience of these players. And the league is

656
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: eighty plus percent black, so it makes sense that black

657
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: women leading the charge and leading these teams would be

658
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 4: the ones that would bring the most type of authenticity

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Speaker 4: and the ones that would bring the most type of

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Speaker 4: understanding for what these players are doing and going through

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Speaker 4: than anybody else.

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Speaker 2: So that's that.

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Speaker 4: And then two, I mean three, just for the basic

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Speaker 4: concept of it's to WNBA like this should be the

665
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: place where women get the opportunities first. And the other

666
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: two positions that were open were filled by men. And

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 4: that's Jose Fernandez who took the position for Dallas, and

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Speaker 4: it was Alex Swama.

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Speaker 2: I might be saying his name incorrectly.

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Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with him at all, so I apologize

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Speaker 4: if I am, But he's the new coach of the

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Speaker 4: Portland Fire. Now I am going to give Portland some

673
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Speaker 4: love for Henry and my girl, Ashley Battle as the

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Speaker 4: new GM. Ashley is incredible. I am so proud of

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Speaker 4: her and I think she's going to be great in

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Speaker 4: that role. So when we do talk about black women

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Speaker 4: getting opportunities, it doesn't always have to be in the

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Speaker 4: head coaching position. They deserve front office opportunities as well.

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Speaker 2: So I love the fact that.

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Speaker 4: They went that way with that.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously Sandy go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me just back up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about it looks like teams are going

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Speaker 1: more towards the NBA experience or NBA G League experience,

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Speaker 1: and if that's what we're doing, I mean, Linda Harding

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Speaker 1: was the head coach of the what was it, the

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Speaker 1: Sacramento G League, Yeah, right, yeah, and then I think

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Speaker 1: she was on the Lakers bench. But my point is

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Speaker 1: there's there's a woman there too that you could have

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Speaker 1: at least interview, given an opportunity to.

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Speaker 3: So I think for me, t it's it almost looks

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Speaker 3: as if the w n b A when it comes

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Speaker 3: to like hiring, it almost looks like they're going in

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Speaker 3: the direction that this country is trying to go in.

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Speaker 1: When you you know, the whole let's get rid of

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Speaker 1: DEI and all those things. But I know that's a

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Speaker 1: whole different conversation, but I just I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: like what I see, point blank, period. And I and

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Speaker 1: I'm I want to go back to your point. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that just because it's a black woman.

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Speaker 3: You should hire her. She should be qualified.

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Speaker 1: She. My thing is, we as black women, deserve the

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Speaker 1: same opportunities as our white counterparts. And just because you

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Speaker 1: coached in the NBA as an assistant or you coached

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Speaker 1: in the G League as a head coach, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you better qualified than me.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's the part that I get.

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Speaker 1: Frustrated with, and I'm tired of trying to figure it

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Speaker 1: out and understand why.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, I agree in that aspect.

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Speaker 4: I agree, like where you were doesn't necessarily make you

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Speaker 4: more I mean, because you can equate that to anything

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Speaker 4: in general, you know what I mean. Somebody could spend

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Speaker 4: a certain amount of time working for you know, T

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Speaker 4: Mobile versus somebody who worked a shorter amount of time

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Speaker 4: in these particular places. Just because you were at a

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Speaker 4: company that was well known or more popular doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: you more qualified.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you did while you were there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if your resume actually speaks for what like,

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Speaker 4: there are so many things that you just where you

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Speaker 4: were doesn't really take the qualities that you have to

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Speaker 4: make anything successful.

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Speaker 2: But that is no shade on Sonya.

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Speaker 4: That's just you know, us saying it does feel like

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Speaker 4: teams are moving in the direction of NBA type background

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Speaker 4: or NBA type experience, or the Carl s Mesco situation,

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Speaker 4: which is what they did at Dallas is they hired

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Speaker 4: a coach from college who had no professional coaching experience whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Not worked out with Carl in Atlanta. They ended up

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Speaker 4: being the number two seed, and you know, they had

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Speaker 4: an early exit that none of us expected, but they

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Speaker 4: did turn their team around. I think Dallas is hoping

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Speaker 4: that they can do the same thing with Jose Fernandez,

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Speaker 4: who is coming from USF and he spent twenty five

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Speaker 4: season coaching at USF.

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Speaker 2: So again, same thing with Lynn Roberts. Lynn Roberts coach

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Speaker 2: of the LA Sparks.

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Speaker 4: She spent all her time in college, never never coached

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Speaker 4: at the professional level, so it looks like they are

741
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Speaker 4: trying this new thread of things, which is interesting. And

742
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Speaker 4: then of course there's Sandy Brondello, who we know has

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Speaker 4: the experience, we know what she can do. She's a champion,

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Speaker 4: she's an Olympian, and she's gonna be coaching the Toronto Tempo.

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Speaker 2: So I felt like, you know, she basically had her pick.

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Speaker 4: I feel like there just would have been anywhere that

747
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Speaker 4: you no one would.

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Speaker 2: Have lost if they had picked up Sandy Brown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually thought that Seattle might go after Sandy,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I.

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Speaker 3: Think in Portland, do we just have New York? I no,

752
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Speaker 3: that doesn't have a coach.

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00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: New York is the only team currently that has not

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Speaker 4: yet secured a coach.

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Speaker 3: Oh what if Spoon went to coach in New York?

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00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be interesting? I said the same thing to

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Speaker 4: a group of friends. What happens if Teresa Witherspoon ended

758
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 4: up going to New Yorkiant like that would be That

759
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: would be brilliant.

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Speaker 2: That would be brilliant. But I also think that New

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Speaker 2: York needs.

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Speaker 4: To figure it out pretty quickly because as much as

763
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: we're talking about the CBA and the players not you know,

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Speaker 4: being on the same page with the league right now.

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Speaker 4: I do think that when the time comes, who is

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Speaker 4: coaching where will have a lot to do with who

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Speaker 4: wants to do what.

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Speaker 2: And it's a lot of moving pieces in New York.

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Speaker 4: Who gonna be that head coach is gonna be really

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Speaker 4: important to players like John Quo Jones and Stewie and

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Speaker 4: Sabrina and folks like that.

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Speaker 2: So definitely got to make that move.

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Speaker 4: But we will continue to talk about the coaching care

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Speaker 4: and sale as more information continues to be available. And yeah,

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00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 4: so with that, friends, we'll be back on the other

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00:42:50,920 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: side to close this thing on out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sure, there's going to still be some more shakeups that

779
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: are happening across the w NBA. A few more hires

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00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 4: have been made. We still don't quite know who's going

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00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: to be the coach of the New York Liberty, like

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00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: we said, and like, that's one that really needs to

783
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: go ahead and and and happen pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: But man, it's just there.

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Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like, what are what are they

786
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: waiting on?

787
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: Like are they are they just waiting for an answer

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00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: from one person that they want or have they not

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00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: found the right candidate?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know it'll be It's definitely gonna

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Speaker 2: be interesting.

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Speaker 4: But I will say that we do now know that

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Speaker 4: there will be at.

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Speaker 2: The lottery for the Draft Lottery is going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's going to take place this month on November twenty third,

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Speaker 4: so people be ready to check that out on ESPN.

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00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: I forgot the time, but that's the channel that it's

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Speaker 4: going to be on. So we know the Draft Lottery

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Speaker 4: is happening, and we do know that they are currently

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00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 4: the WNBA and the league and the players are currently

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00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 4: in an extension, a thirty day extension right now for negotiation,

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00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: so we at least know that part as of today,

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00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: but anything can change over the course of the next

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Speaker 4: few weeks, so we will just stay locked in. But

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Speaker 4: with all of that being said, we just gonna go

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Speaker 4: ahead and have Sureyl level us on out.

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Speaker 2: So, Cheryl, what you got for us today?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, usually I try to find something that

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00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: has to do with our topic or conversation for the day.

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00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I guess this in a way can but it was

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Speaker 1: just one I found and it kind of resonated with me,

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Speaker 1: and it says strength is choosing calm when chaos wants

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Speaker 1: to react.

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Speaker 2: Read that one more time. Hit that one more time.

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Speaker 1: Strength is choosing calm when chaos wants a reaction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's good, that's a good one.

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00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: That's so right on time. That's so right on time.

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Speaker 4: That's so right on time. M m, that's so right

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00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: on time. I had some foolishness happened last week that

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00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: at least took two or three days out my out

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00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: my week. And I was like, you know what, M

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00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 4: that right there, that right there, that right there is

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00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: retroactively speaking to me because I chose the call.

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Speaker 1: So then just for you, just for you, I'm gonna

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00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: read it one more thing, and I'm glad you know

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Speaker 1: you you chose, you chose strength, and I really okay,

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Speaker 1: you showed strength.

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Speaker 4: I showed strength because I really wanted to show strength

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Speaker 4: in a different way and knock a bitch out.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mmm.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're gonn talk about this offlout, Okay, but

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Speaker 1: I am going to read it one more time for

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00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: the people in the back in case you need to

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00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: hear it again. Strength is choosing calm when chaos wants

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Speaker 1: a reaction.

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00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: Let that sit with you, Let that one think in marinate.

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Speaker 4: We gonna let that we gonna let that sink in.

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00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: And so with all of that being said, we want

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Speaker 4: to just say thank you so much for.

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Speaker 2: Tuning in two levels to this.

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Speaker 4: We love kicking it with you guys, and we love

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