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Speaker 1: Poll question for our too, Fritzie, is which NFC team
Speaker 1: currently on the outside of the playoffs would do the
Speaker 1: most damage if they got in. Lions eighty seven percent,
Speaker 1: Seahawks seven percent, Commanders six percent. The Packers. They handled
Speaker 1: the Rams last night twenty four to twelve. Rams obviously done.
Speaker 1: Packers need three more wins to be able to get in.
Speaker 1: And you start to look at who would be the
Speaker 1: most dangerous out of the Seahawks, Lions and Packers. I
Speaker 1: think the Lions are the best team, but I would
Speaker 1: put my faith in Aaron Rodgers. If those teams got
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, who would do the most damage. They're
Speaker 1: going to be on the road whichever team happens to
Speaker 1: get in there. Jalen Hurts probably not going to start.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the line has changed much. I
Speaker 1: got the Cowboys minus six according to DraftKings. But Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is if he right now and you start to
Speaker 1: look at Jalen Hurts and he's had an unbelievable year,
Speaker 1: I think not playing against the Cowboys a great standalone
Speaker 1: game here. If he played well, they won the game.
Speaker 1: I think he would win the MV pick. I think
Speaker 1: it's that close with Patrick Mahomes. But with Hurts not
Speaker 1: there for the next two games, and you got Gardner Minshew,
Speaker 1: who's going to play? If you listen to the program,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of Gardner Minshew. I
Speaker 1: think he's really good. I think he's good enough to
Speaker 1: be a starter in the league. If I look at
Speaker 1: his career numbers here now Jalen Hurts has forty four
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, eighteen interceptions, and seventy six hundred yards. Now.
Speaker 1: He's also great at running the football. Gardner Minshew forty
Speaker 1: one touchdowns, twelve picks, sixty five hundred yards. As far
Speaker 1: as passing goes, you're not losing anything, but you're going
Speaker 1: to lose a lot though, with that ability that Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts has to run the football, the injury to his
Speaker 1: throwing shoulder, and he's probably gonna miss the next couple
Speaker 1: of games. You got to have one more win. You're
Speaker 1: going to secure a home field advantage and you're going
Speaker 1: to win your division against the Dallas Cowboys. But right
Speaker 1: now Dallas is favored by six in that game. As
Speaker 1: for the Packers, Aaron Rodgers in a good mood before
Speaker 1: the Bears week. We knew we had to buy afterwards,
Speaker 1: and those of us who sometimes peak ahead and knew
Speaker 1: that we had to win five and then have a
Speaker 1: lot of things go our way. Won two and just
Speaker 1: about everything we've needed to happen has gone our way
Speaker 1: just about right. So thanks are looking up Rams fell
Speaker 1: to four and ten. And I know there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about does Sean McVay stay. Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: said on his wife's podcast. She asked him if he
Speaker 1: was retiring, and he goes no, So I guess that
Speaker 1: makes it official that he's not retiring. But what happens
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield as they move forward? Is Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: enough for Sean McVay to go, I got my quarterback
Speaker 1: of the future. You're gonna get players back. Obviously with
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup you still have Ramsey, Aaron Donald didn't play.
Speaker 1: The offensive line has been a mess. But I was
Speaker 1: wondering about this last year. It felt like it was
Speaker 1: the game of musical chairs for analysts. Everybody was cashing in.
Speaker 1: We're going to move from this network to this network
Speaker 1: and Monday Night Football Thursday Night Pat McAfee like everything
Speaker 1: Amazon's in there. I don't know what happens now now
Speaker 1: everybody had the big reset. Everybody got their contract. Actually,
Speaker 1: if Sean McVay is sort of surveying the situation, where
Speaker 1: are you gonna go? Where you're gonna get paid fifteen
Speaker 1: or eighteen million dollars a year? Is he going to
Speaker 1: call a game? Is Brady gonna take that job at Fox?
Speaker 1: If Brady didn't take that job greg Olsen, is he
Speaker 1: good enough Markey enough to keep him in there? Does
Speaker 1: Sean McVay say I want to be a game analyst?
Speaker 1: Does he want to be a studio analyst. Did Sean
Speaker 1: McVay miss his window of opportunity, and this is a
Speaker 1: big money window of opportunity, And the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 1: I don't know the inner workings of the networks of
Speaker 1: what they would be considering or any changes that could
Speaker 1: be out there, but it felt like, Okay, Herbie's working
Speaker 1: with Al Michaels, you got you know, Joe Buck and
Speaker 1: you got Troy Aikman there Sunday Night with Tariko and Collinsworth.
Speaker 1: I think NBC thought Drew Brees would eventually take over
Speaker 1: for Collinsworth. That's not happening. Fox. You're gonna have Kevin Burkhart,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have Greg Olsen, You're gonna have Tom
Speaker 1: Brady coming in there. Am I missing anything here? ESPN, CBS, NBC, Fox,
Speaker 1: everybody seems to have Now. I was wondering about this,
Speaker 1: how long does Terry Bradshaw stay as the marquee guy,
Speaker 1: the figurehead of their studio show health issues? And I
Speaker 1: wonder how long Terry does that. That would be a
Speaker 1: place where I'd keep an eye on if Sean McBay
Speaker 1: would want to do that. But does he want to
Speaker 1: do games? Because that's the closest you get to actually
Speaker 1: coaching in a game or playing in a game. And
Speaker 1: that's why you know Tom Brady will prepare for a
Speaker 1: game that he's not playing in, but he will prepare
Speaker 1: for it as if he was going to be playing
Speaker 1: that team. Fox's studios are in Los Angeles. Just something
Speaker 1: that keep an eye on. And maybe Sean continues to
Speaker 1: coach for five or ten more years. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know him, but just looking at this from
Speaker 1: the practical standpoint of do you want to continue to
Speaker 1: coach this team? They're not very good? Are they going
Speaker 1: to get good anytime soon? Niners are always gonna be
Speaker 1: Niners are better than you. Seattle has got a lot
Speaker 1: of draft picks coming up. Seattle is better than you.
Speaker 1: Arizona is a mess. But Sean McVeigh, you want to
Speaker 1: stay and then your legacy. You know, you want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. You lost a Super Bowl. You want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Now you don't want to be the they
Speaker 1: won five games this year, seven games this year, six games.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you have that legacy.
Speaker 1: And also you know Sean Payton's going to come out
Speaker 1: of the broadcast booth. You know the studio and he's
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, coaching a team next year.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just as I'm watching last night,
Speaker 1: do you see enough with Baker Mayfield? You go, maybe
Speaker 1: Stafford gives me one more year and I've got Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: There is that enough? Yeah? More? Now, guys that are
Speaker 1: on when former athletes or guys that are preparing to retire,
Speaker 1: have they asked you for advice and you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to take this job because there's only but
Speaker 1: so many of these jobs. I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think you you look at it and
Speaker 1: you go, I could always come back into coaching, but
Speaker 1: you've built up a lot of house credit with the Rams. Yeah, Polly,
Speaker 1: I have an example one that where like McVeigh, he
Speaker 1: may stay because you don't want to go out this
Speaker 1: way a real, real down year. But when when Jason
Speaker 1: Witton was still a productive tight end with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: he somehow got money in football, and that doesn't come
Speaker 1: along every day. Now, it didn't work out, but he
Speaker 1: left his career probably a year early. I think Boomer
Speaker 1: as Siason was still a viable NFL quarterback and he
Speaker 1: got money in football radio or Money Football TV. Like
Speaker 1: sometimes you bounce a year early. Even Tiki Barber had
Speaker 1: a bunch of media opportunities and he bounced a year early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Strahan did as well. And I always tell once
Speaker 1: you make that commitment, then go and hold on to
Speaker 1: those jobs because there's only a certain number of those jobs,
Speaker 1: and then once you're out, it's tough to get back in,
Speaker 1: Bill Caller. Bill Caller said, are you kidding me? I
Speaker 1: got the life now, no stress, No eighteen hour days.
Speaker 1: I get to come in, I get to talk about
Speaker 1: all the other coaches in the teams. This is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Seaton feels like there are less NFL head coaching jobs
Speaker 1: than there are media jobs these days. Though, Yes they
Speaker 1: pay us. Yes, that seems like a more exclusive club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, eight seven seven three d P Show email address,
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Speaker 1: Spend a lot of time, maybe too much, in the
Speaker 1: first hour, talking about the call in the Commander's game
Speaker 1: against the Giants with Terry McLaurin and they're moving in
Speaker 1: for the game winning score. They're going to take the
Speaker 1: lead or tie it, and Terry McLaurin, the Commander says
Speaker 1: to the line judge, am I good? And he says,
Speaker 1: and then he moves him a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's throws the flag. Here's Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: the commander's wide receiver. I felt like I was on
Speaker 1: the ball the entire time. If you look through the game,
Speaker 1: I lined up there pretty much every place. So I
Speaker 1: checked to see if I was good the first time,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I move up a little bit.
Speaker 1: So when I moved up, I would checked to see
Speaker 1: if I was good, and he said I was good.
Speaker 1: So all right, that's that's his interpretation of that. But
Speaker 1: I still think it's incumbent upon the receiver the player
Speaker 1: to know where he stands, and you should know my
Speaker 1: on the line. How's the formation here? It's not up
Speaker 1: to the official to tell you you're I'm going to
Speaker 1: flag you for an illegal formation here? Off sides. On sides,
Speaker 1: I'll help you there. But as far as hey, am
Speaker 1: I in the back? I mean, how much communication can
Speaker 1: you have with the official? The official has to do
Speaker 1: his job for the entire play, not just hey, let
Speaker 1: me help you out with your homework here, Terry, Yes,
Speaker 1: time does that ref get reprimanded anyway, called in for
Speaker 1: a little chat or conference call. I wonder what the
Speaker 1: aftermath is. We haven't really heard anything about a conversation
Speaker 1: between the league and this ref and what he didn't
Speaker 1: didn't tell McLaren. Well, I don't know what he did wrong. Well,
Speaker 1: the basically mclarenas calling him out saying I was good,
Speaker 1: and he still called the penalty. I mean he's saying
Speaker 1: I checked the second time the ref is tell me
Speaker 1: I'm good, and then now he's still calling. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that the NFL, the officials, would you know, the
Speaker 1: head of officials would call him in and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: give us your side of the story, just so in
Speaker 1: case we're asked that, you know, we can present that. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: More importantly, does that ref get buried in a black
Speaker 1: and white striped shirt of whistle question? Yeah, Fritzie in
Speaker 1: his morbid way. Yeah. Peter Chris, the former drummer of Kiss.
Speaker 1: It's his birthday today. Yeah, I thought you were sending
Speaker 1: me a note saying it was Peter Chriss had died.
Speaker 1: And then you wear the makeup, and and then we
Speaker 1: found out through one of our listeners he would have
Speaker 1: to get permission from Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley because
Speaker 1: they own I guess the rights to the makeup of Kiss.
Speaker 1: If he couldn't imagine if he did get buried that way,
Speaker 1: and then you know, Gene Simmons went to the funeral
Speaker 1: or the awake and started rubbing the paints, all would
Speaker 1: be very yes, seton. Yeah. My brother texts me too
Speaker 1: to remind me that he Peter Chris doesn't get along
Speaker 1: with those guys anymore. No, no, like they keep leaving
Speaker 1: the band and coming back. But he's been out of
Speaker 1: that band for like twenty years and they have somebody
Speaker 1: else wearing that same cat makeup that Peter Chris wars.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna guess he's not interested. Okay, kiss that idea? Goodbye, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Well, we'll keep We'll keep it on, keep it,
Speaker 1: We'll keep it on. This story. Yes, yes, and you Dan,
Speaker 1: I know, no. But do most people know what song
Speaker 1: Peter Chris, the drummer who usually didn't sing in the band,
Speaker 1: is most known for. He sang one song I Think
Speaker 1: a concert Death thirteen after the Hour. Peter Chris can't
Speaker 1: wear his makeup when he does, but here he is
Speaker 1: with Beth you calling, but I can't come home, and
Speaker 1: now me and the boys are playing and we just
Speaker 1: can't find the same just a few okay, right home
Speaker 1: to you. This could so easily be a stick song. Yes,
Speaker 1: Is there really a difference between this and Babe I'm leaving. Yes,
Speaker 1: same song and Styx would sing it a lot better
Speaker 1: than Peter Chris. WHOA Yeah, No I said it. I
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna distance myself from that tape. Yes. Time
Speaker 1: for those just tuning in, we should say once again,
Speaker 1: he is alive and well, Peter Chris, he's seventy seven
Speaker 1: years old. We don't know that if he's well. We
Speaker 1: know that he was an hour ago. You said that
Speaker 1: it was his birthday. I don't know if he's alive
Speaker 1: and well. I think he's alive and well. He's certainly alive.
Speaker 1: He's the seventy seventh birthday. I don't know what his
Speaker 1: health conditions are. Yeah, but leave it to you to say,
Speaker 1: Oh when he dies, sure have the kiss makeup on.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many times a day he talks about
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons. Yeah, Like, I bet he's just so bitter
Speaker 1: about the whole day. Oh Gene, I think he wakes
Speaker 1: up every day. He's like Gene and Paul it's it's jerks. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: there's two signs to every story, sometimes three signs. Well
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe it's not just on Jean Simms. Although
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons would be tough to be around. Jeene Simmons
Speaker 1: loves Gene Simmons more than anybody could probably love Jean Simmons. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've heard more positive stories about Barry Bonds that I've
Speaker 1: heard positive stories. And I'm being dead serious. There's four
Speaker 1: people in this room have told me bad stories about
Speaker 1: Gean Simmons. Yeah, and he's married to a wonderful woman.
Speaker 1: Shin and Tweed like, yeah, I think I don't know show,
Speaker 1: but they do have kiss caskets that you can get
Speaker 1: buried in. Get that's not true, but I like that, Todd.
Speaker 1: If you whole question for the rest of the hour,
Speaker 1: if you only had to listen to one band, no
Speaker 1: other music for the rest of your life, kiss or sticks? Oh,
Speaker 1: oh it's not even close. I didn't know it well.
Speaker 1: One played music. I'm so waiting for your answer. Sticks. Oh,
Speaker 1: I might go. I can't stand them both, but I
Speaker 1: might go kiss on that one. Kiss can't sing. They're
Speaker 1: just a performance band. It's performance art, and they did
Speaker 1: a wonderful job. That's right. Sticks is way more true
Speaker 1: to the soul of that they are Kisses. That's not
Speaker 1: good music. I mean it's great music. Sticks can sing.
Speaker 1: Kiss can't sing well, it is Zeppelin Stones Stick Sticks. Yes,
Speaker 1: and don't forget it's never found their way. Yes, don't
Speaker 1: forget that. All right, I'll get two more phone calls
Speaker 1: coming up. Mike Florio is good. What the hell happened today?
Speaker 1: Todd that you did it? I threw it off the
Speaker 1: rails once again, d M. I U still have time
Speaker 1: to vote. I did go back and I was checking
Speaker 1: the results so far, and we still have two more
Speaker 1: full days to vote most valuable, least valuable, most improve
Speaker 1: and least improved. We'll talk to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk.
Speaker 1: I think Florio is on team Terry McLaurin here and
Speaker 1: Seaton and I we're on the officials, like, hey, there's
Speaker 1: only so much you should be doing in a situation
Speaker 1: like that. We'll get Florio's take on this, and we've
Speaker 1: certainly heard from a lot of people, A couple of
Speaker 1: former referees, current referees, and we'll get to more phone
Speaker 1: calls coming up as well. Seventeen after the hour. Here
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Speaker 1: My younger brother was a member of the Kiss Army,
Speaker 1: and I kept telling him when we were growing up.
Speaker 1: I said, they're not a rock and roll band. They're
Speaker 1: playing the role of theater with rock and roll. But
Speaker 1: Kiss was unbelievably popular because you know I once again
Speaker 1: I was stuck in my Zeppelin stones who and uh
Speaker 1: he was? He thought Kiss was better? And then I said, no,
Speaker 1: nobody cares about Kiss his music. It's about, you know,
Speaker 1: the makeup the performance. We did have a listener say, Fritzie,
Speaker 1: would you like to get buried in your Denver Broncos gear.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But if I was, go with
Speaker 1: the John Elway jersey, okay, like the bright orange one. Well,
Speaker 1: we need to know if you when you die, what
Speaker 1: do we do? Yes? Yes see, yeah, I guess the
Speaker 1: bright orange one. Yes see. We had a listener suggest
Speaker 1: that we bury Todd in his Bronco gear. Now, oh,
Speaker 1: in my Russell Wilson jersey. Well, they're dead. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Broncos are dead. It could be for quite some time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a welfare rebuild back. Let's go to
Speaker 1: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live, co host and contributor
Speaker 1: to Football Night in America. Oh look, who has got
Speaker 1: a kiss a kiss coffee cup. I've got it all,
Speaker 1: not all of it, not the coffin yet. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a member of the Kiss Army. I spent
Speaker 1: the five dollars, I had the badge, I had all
Speaker 1: the stuff. When you're ten eleven years old mid seventies,
Speaker 1: turned on the Paul Land Halloween Special on a PM.
Speaker 1: He's been on a Friday Night and these guys come
Speaker 1: out with the fire and the brimstone and the explosions.
Speaker 1: You don't care about the quality music. You just this
Speaker 1: is awesome. There's nothing else like it. The music grows
Speaker 1: on you after about twenty years, and music, right, the
Speaker 1: experience is what's great. I agree. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see Kiss in concert? Nine times? The
Speaker 1: best one was in nineteen ninety six when they reunited
Speaker 1: and they put the makeup back on. I went up
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh to see them with a good friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and it was like twenty years it just disappeared they
Speaker 1: could still move like I saw them few years ago,
Speaker 1: and they're having a little trouble getting around the stage,
Speaker 1: you know. But but in ninety six they could still
Speaker 1: actually move in those giant shoes, and it was like
Speaker 1: seeing them in the seventies. So I saw them several
Speaker 1: times in the seventies, several times since then. I went
Speaker 1: to their most recent farewell tour, because they've been on
Speaker 1: a farewell tour for the last twenty years, and it
Speaker 1: really is tough to watch now, but it was magical
Speaker 1: back in the nineties and back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: Did you wear the makeup now? Well? One time, one
Speaker 1: time Halloween nineteen seventy eight, my sister put the catman
Speaker 1: Peter Chris makeup on me for trick or tree. All right,
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted to talk to you about. I
Speaker 1: got at your Kiss. Stuffy Kiss is indirectly to blame
Speaker 1: for Pro Football Talk dot Com, because twenty one years ago,
Speaker 1: when I was trying to figure out what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do in this business, I remembered what I heard Paul
Speaker 1: Stanley say early in the existence of Kiss. They created
Speaker 1: the show that they would pay money to go see.
Speaker 1: And that's such a simple message to anyone who's in
Speaker 1: any type of service business. Make the thing, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you would be a customer off, make it
Speaker 1: the way that you would want it if you were
Speaker 1: the one deciding where you're going to spend your time.
Speaker 1: And that there's brilliance to that, and it worked. Music
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but but it worked over the past fifty years.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co
Speaker 1: host with Chris Simms. That precedes us on Peacock before
Speaker 1: I get to the Commander's Giants Terry McLaurin controversy here.
Speaker 1: I was talking about Sean McVeigh and I was wondering
Speaker 1: if he can see enough in Baker Mayfield over the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks here that he would go, you
Speaker 1: know what, he's worth staying around for. Maybe that's my
Speaker 1: future here, depending on what what happens with Matthew Stafford. And
Speaker 1: then I wondered, you know, the TV business had a big,
Speaker 1: great reset here in the offseason, Mike, with all of
Speaker 1: these jobs being filled up and everybody getting their money,
Speaker 1: that I wonder if Sean McVeigh has an opening here
Speaker 1: where he'd go, This is a soft landing right now,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to stay around for this rebuild
Speaker 1: with the Rams. Your thoughts, well, the question, Dan is
Speaker 1: how long until they can rebuild? How long are the
Speaker 1: debts going to be paid for the Super Bowl that
Speaker 1: they won last year? Hey, horrible season? This year? Your
Speaker 1: first round pick goes to Detroit as the last piece
Speaker 1: of the Matthew Stafford for Jared Goff swap, So you
Speaker 1: don't even get that. So they've got cap issues, they've
Speaker 1: got veteran contracts that are blowed that, they don't have
Speaker 1: draft picks. They don't have a nucleus of young players
Speaker 1: that would be coming into their prime right now because
Speaker 1: they traded away all those first round picks. They haven't
Speaker 1: used a first round pick since the year they selected
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, and they ultimately gave up the first round
Speaker 1: pick to get his awful contract off the books as
Speaker 1: part of that Stafford trade. So it could take years
Speaker 1: for the Rams to turn it around. And you're right,
Speaker 1: McVeigh has to be thinking Number one, did I miss
Speaker 1: my chance with Amazon last year? Number two? Is there
Speaker 1: another opportunity out there now? I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: it is a network going to tear up and eat
Speaker 1: one of these fifteen twenty million dollar contracts. Are they
Speaker 1: going to wedge him into the booth without Michael's and
Speaker 1: Kirk herb Street. I could see Amazon maybe doing that,
Speaker 1: going with a three man booth. So if I'm Sean McVey,
Speaker 1: I really wonder whether I did the right thing when
Speaker 1: I had the chance to jump. I wonder how long
Speaker 1: it's going to take to turn this team around, and
Speaker 1: maybe now is the time to walk away and then
Speaker 1: come back, you know, ten fifteen years from them, all right.
Speaker 1: The Terry McLaurin situation here with the commanders. What did
Speaker 1: you see on that play? Well, I saw what we
Speaker 1: see at every level of football, anyone who's paid any
Speaker 1: amount of attention to what happens out on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: You see the receiver go out communicate with the official
Speaker 1: who's on that line of scrimmage, and there's that back
Speaker 1: and forth, whether it's verbal or whether it's hand gestures
Speaker 1: or nodding or shaking to get properly lined up. I
Speaker 1: saw Terry McLaurin believing that he was getting guidance from
Speaker 1: the official who was there I saw the official acting
Speaker 1: in a way as if he was communicating back to
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. But then all of a sudden, you see
Speaker 1: the official. It's kind of like the guy who's out
Speaker 1: at the Okay Corral and he's getting ready for the gunfight.
Speaker 1: He's got his hand, he's got his hand on the gun,
Speaker 1: he's ready to pull it. He puts his hand on
Speaker 1: his flag like I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 1: And it's just a bad look. I know that. John Hussey,
Speaker 1: the referee, said after the game there's no obligation on
Speaker 1: the part of the official to tell, but you surely
Speaker 1: can't mislead the player. It's one thing to say nothing,
Speaker 1: it's another thing to lead him to believe that you're okay.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what was said between the two men,
Speaker 1: if anything, but it just is a bad look when
Speaker 1: you consider there aren't many ways that one official can
Speaker 1: affect the outcome of a game. But when you throw
Speaker 1: that flag away from the action that takes a touchdown
Speaker 1: off the boarding crunch time, that's a bad look for
Speaker 1: the NFL. And that was a moment Dan where I said,
Speaker 1: maybe they do need to worry about a potential Tim
Speaker 1: Donahey situation at some point. I'm not saying it's happening now,
Speaker 1: but that just shows you there are ways that one
Speaker 1: person can really affect the outcome of a game. I
Speaker 1: would think with all of these sidelines miked up somebody
Speaker 1: and you know, two huge media cities here playing one another,
Speaker 1: that that would be we would have some kind of
Speaker 1: dialogue there that's gone tape. Well, who would have it?
Speaker 1: Who would have custody of the NFL in the NFL films. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the audio between Miles Garrett and
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph that never came to light. That was very
Speaker 1: controversial about what Mason Rudolph may have said or not
Speaker 1: said before he was whacked over the head with his
Speaker 1: own helmet. That audio never came to light, even though
Speaker 1: audio is everywhere. There are microphones everywhere. Yeah, there's probably audio,
Speaker 1: and we'll probably never hear. I'm wondering about Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: He's not playing. It looks like Gardner Minshew is going
Speaker 1: to get the start, and if is, Jalen Hurt's gonna
Speaker 1: lose the MVP because he's not playing. In the next
Speaker 1: two games. Perhaps, Well, I don't think it helps him
Speaker 1: because as of right now, in the way that this
Speaker 1: award goes, the quarterbacks of the two number one seeds
Speaker 1: are the two most likely candidates at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, unless somebody does something crazy statistically like if
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson ends up with two thousand or more yards
Speaker 1: and the Vikings of the two seed, then maybe you
Speaker 1: have to consider him. But it's either going to be
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, or Joe Burrow depending upon which
Speaker 1: team in the AFC is the one seed, or Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: So Jalen Hurts is out as the AFC race for
Speaker 1: the one seed comes to a crescendo, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: see something spectacular from Alan or Mahomes or Borrow, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for Hurts to get enough votes when
Speaker 1: the dust settles if he hasn't played at the end
Speaker 1: of the regular season. And why I'm playing there one
Speaker 1: game away one win or are lost by the Vikings
Speaker 1: or forty nine ers of Cowboys from clinching the one seed.
Speaker 1: Why take a chance they can win with Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's going to cost him the MVP,
Speaker 1: not that he cares about it. I think he cares
Speaker 1: about winning the Super Bowl. But people care about the MVP,
Speaker 1: and I think he's fallen out of the race if
Speaker 1: he doesn't plug. But how much of this do you
Speaker 1: think is the story that you can tell broadcasters writers
Speaker 1: about the MVP that we we love the story. We've
Speaker 1: taken Mahomes for granted. Now he's graduated into that. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like the Greek freak in the NBA. Like, okay,
Speaker 1: nice story, now we move on there. How much is
Speaker 1: what we get, you know, the story behind that we
Speaker 1: haven't heard. Well, it's it's so odd because it is subjective.
Speaker 1: There are fifty different individuals who will have their vote
Speaker 1: for the first time. It's not one vote per person.
Speaker 1: You put in five names and they get ranked almost
Speaker 1: like the Heisman. So it could it's at least going
Speaker 1: to get people some discussion and consideration. You know, Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson would have had an MVP vote by now if
Speaker 1: they had this system in place back when he was
Speaker 1: you know, playing well, I didn't mean to I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to take a shot at us, so well, some
Speaker 1: of them were just stating the out Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's become this pattern where it's
Speaker 1: a quarterback of one of the top seeds. That's just
Speaker 1: how it shakes out, because the voting happens when immediately
Speaker 1: after the regular season ends, as we know what the
Speaker 1: playoff tree looks like, we know who's earned the buy.
Speaker 1: We have a certain amount of heightened respect for the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the team that has emerged from this morass
Speaker 1: of competitors to be the number one seed, unless somebody
Speaker 1: does something statistically praisey, like Adrian Peterson ten years ago
Speaker 1: when he almost broke the single season rushing record and
Speaker 1: took it away from Peyton Manning when Manning was the
Speaker 1: odds on MVP. That's the kind of thing that does it. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: it's quarterback, quarterback, quarterback quarterback. It just fits better, and
Speaker 1: there's no guidelines, there's no rules. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: how it goes. I was wondering about this last week
Speaker 1: that we have NBA. You know, we've changed the trophies
Speaker 1: and we've named them after you know, great players, former
Speaker 1: great players. And if the NFL did this the MVP,
Speaker 1: could you name it the Peyton Manning MVP, the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP? Would be the Tom Brady Award. Well, it's
Speaker 1: already the Pete Roselle Award. I think see the problem
Speaker 1: with naming things? What do you do one hundred years
Speaker 1: from now? When or two hundred years from now? I
Speaker 1: always worry about that, Like, what are they gonna do
Speaker 1: when they have ten thousand busts in the Hall of Fame? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point retire jerseys. I'm big on that,
Speaker 1: like at some point, like, who's this jersey? Retired for
Speaker 1: somebody that nobody who is currently living can even remember.
Speaker 1: I don't like naming the awards unless it truly is
Speaker 1: somebody that is going to be remembered five hundred years
Speaker 1: from I'm not worried about that because I won't be
Speaker 1: around to worry about that. Come on, but what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with all the garbage? It doesn't matter will be dead? Okay?
Speaker 1: Should Peter Cris be able to wear his kiss makeup
Speaker 1: when he dies? Oh gosh, I don't think he'd want to,
Speaker 1: but that really would be something. I wonder if Gene
Speaker 1: Simmons and Paul Stanley, who have becomes so inextricably intertwined
Speaker 1: with their personas, will choose to be buried in their makeup.
Speaker 1: That's the real question. Gene Simmons, I would imagine, right,
Speaker 1: I would think I would think he and Paul Stanley
Speaker 1: would both be buried in their makeup. I think Gene
Speaker 1: Simmons will finagle it. So whatever Mausolean he's in will,
Speaker 1: like you know, once every hour, just have a giant
Speaker 1: fireball explode at the top of for returning. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you. Happy holiday's Dad. Thank you, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike Florio you two Pro Football Talk Live Bill and Colorado.
Speaker 1: Hi Bill, what's on your mind today? Good morning Dan?
Speaker 1: First off five eighth captain Dad bought one eighty so
Speaker 1: looking to and you know, honestly, for a guy that
Speaker 1: hasn't played wide receiver, it looks like you're carving out
Speaker 1: a pretty decent career for yourself. Thank you, Bill, Thank
Speaker 1: you job there. Um. But yes, is what I saw
Speaker 1: on that Terry McLaurin play. I mean, unfortunately, I think
Speaker 1: too many of us in America I've heard and seemed
Speaker 1: too much of this at this point. But you know,
Speaker 1: he clearly looks over to get a check on the reff.
Speaker 1: The reff holds his fists out almost like holding his line,
Speaker 1: you know, like Harry, if you get up to here,
Speaker 1: here's your line, and then he looks over to get
Speaker 1: a second check after he scoots up a little bit,
Speaker 1: but then he gives the thumbs up, but he clearly
Speaker 1: never looks back over to see if he's in check.
Speaker 1: What he's looking to see if the ball snapped. So
Speaker 1: you know, I can't put that one on the reff Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think there's so much, only so much you
Speaker 1: can do. You know, you can, you can help nudge,
Speaker 1: but at some point, it's not about Terry mclauren. It's
Speaker 1: about the official who is going to look at that play.
Speaker 1: It's down at the goal line. You're the line judge.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got other things to worry about. Did
Speaker 1: he mislead Terry McLaurin. He say you're good and then
Speaker 1: throw the flag right after saying you're good. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no transparency with the NFL, with these officials.
Speaker 1: I'd love for the official to give me his side.
Speaker 1: I already heard Terry McLaurin play it again, Marvin. Here's
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. Fifteen minutes after that lass, I felt like
Speaker 1: I was on the ball the entire time. If you
Speaker 1: look through the game, I lined up there pretty much
Speaker 1: every place. So I checked to see if I was
Speaker 1: good the first time, and he was like, I'd move
Speaker 1: up a little bit. So when I moved up, I
Speaker 1: would checked to see if I was good, and he
Speaker 1: said I was good. So all right, love to hear
Speaker 1: the official tell me what happened. What was said? You gestured?
Speaker 1: What are you gesturing him that he needs to be
Speaker 1: on sign? He's on side? The formation is what was
Speaker 1: called illegal formation? Hank in Ohio? Hi Hank, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind today? Hi man, Happy holidays to you and
Speaker 1: the crew. Thank you and my section of Ohio. Our
Speaker 1: referee board had a nonverbal policy of extending one arm
Speaker 1: out in the direction the team was going if the
Speaker 1: man on our end was on the ball on the line,
Speaker 1: or extend the other arm out if he was in
Speaker 1: the backfield. Now lets the player know nonverbally, and it
Speaker 1: also lets the lineman on the other end of the
Speaker 1: line know. That way we can both throw the flag
Speaker 1: at the same time if we have insufficient number of
Speaker 1: men on the line of scrimmage. All right, well, thank you, Hank. Yes, Polly,
Speaker 1: so after every NFL game, one reporter gets to talk
Speaker 1: to one official that's designated and gets a series of questions.
Speaker 1: So the Pool reporter talked to referee John Hussey. He
Speaker 1: was not the official on the site there and he
Speaker 1: was asked about the play, and the referee John Hussey said,
Speaker 1: I didn't say that because I'm in the backfield. What
Speaker 1: I was told is what has been confirmed is the
Speaker 1: ball was snapped the half yard line and McLaurin was
Speaker 1: lined up back at the one and a half yard line.
Speaker 1: In order to be deemed legal, he needs to break
Speaker 1: the belt line, waste of the center. He was not
Speaker 1: at the waist line the center. He's saying he was
Speaker 1: good far back. The foll up question by the reporters.
Speaker 1: When a player does point to official like that, does
Speaker 1: the official have to say whether he's at the line
Speaker 1: or not? Hussey said, quote not typically, and the official
Speaker 1: could be doing other things like counting the offense. There's
Speaker 1: a multitude of different duties, so I can't confirm whether
Speaker 1: the official saw or not. But he was clearly off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, so that helps in almost no way.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to that official unavailable for common
Speaker 1: if not John Hussy complete the active standing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we're really talking about. Was the thumb up? Was
Speaker 1: the thumb down? Has to clear the belt line. It's
Speaker 1: so stupid. All right, let me take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: take a break. More phone calls coming up. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, orherever you get your podcast. All right, Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't like the prelude or the
Speaker 1: build up to that. Mama, get to more phone calls here.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Masters just announced any golfer who
Speaker 1: was qualified for the Masters based on its previous criteria
Speaker 1: will be invited to play in the twenty twenty three Masters.
Speaker 1: That means at least fifteen players currently on the Live
Speaker 1: Tour will be part of the field at Augusta National. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: do you know I take from that that they're not
Speaker 1: changing any policies to shut the door on the live guys,
Speaker 1: which they could have done seven months ago. We are
Speaker 1: much closer to a PGA Tour live tour deal. I
Speaker 1: don't know, not not with Greg Norman on the live tour.
Speaker 1: And yeah, good point. Gotta get gotta get rid of
Speaker 1: Greg Norman if you're gonna have any closure on them,
Speaker 1: that may be part of it because he you know,
Speaker 1: it's like when they kicked who's the guy from Apple
Speaker 1: they booted him, the guy who ran Apple Computers, Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1: They got rid of Steve Jobs, they kept the company.
Speaker 1: He was the problem. It's like the Live tour we
Speaker 1: have business to do and the PGA tours like we
Speaker 1: have just do you get your buy out? Greg Norman
Speaker 1: won't move on. Yeah, it's just Greg Norman is such
Speaker 1: a problem with the PGA Tour that it's it's so
Speaker 1: personal for him. Yes, hunt, is that cool or weak
Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour that they just blink? First, what
Speaker 1: do you make of that news? And that's not the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, it's the Masters or the masters they do.
Speaker 1: You know, they do whatever they want to do. They
Speaker 1: don't bide by any rules. Do you like that they're
Speaker 1: gonna allow them? I don't care about it anymore, like
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't know where to even
Speaker 1: find the live tour. I don't even think about those players.
Speaker 1: But if they do play, then great. But you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it's laughable that they think that people really
Speaker 1: care about that. That we play fifty four holes and
Speaker 1: we get to play rock and roll music and we
Speaker 1: get to wear shorts. Great. If I want that, I
Speaker 1: can go to my country club and watch somebody play.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go out on the live tour
Speaker 1: and go, man, this is wild. We're smoking cigars and uh,
Speaker 1: we're playing. We're guaranteed those are wonderful players. They went
Speaker 1: for the reason that, you know, we waited for them
Speaker 1: to say they took the money. Good, take the money,
Speaker 1: But if you play fifty four holes, I don't know
Speaker 1: how that qualifies you to play against guys who play
Speaker 1: seventy two holes. You want to play and make it.
Speaker 1: You know, Apples to apples play seventy two holes. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, we're crazy. We play fifty four holes. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's reason enough to watch. I couldn't care less about
Speaker 1: those golfers on the Live Tour, when they play on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour or PGA Van or the Masters. Great
Speaker 1: love to have them back, Yes, Mart, Are they the
Speaker 1: kiss of golf? No, the kiss of death for golf,
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe they're They're able to find some common
Speaker 1: ground here, but start by playing seventy two holes. But
Speaker 1: the whole thing about come on out, man, this is
Speaker 1: golf the way it should be. I don't want golf
Speaker 1: the way it should be, smoking cigars and wearing shorts
Speaker 1: and playing and you're guaranteed money. I like when you
Speaker 1: watch these golfers, no matter who they are, and more
Speaker 1: storylines will develop. But the Lift Tour is going to
Speaker 1: take another whack at this and probably go after the
Speaker 1: top college players. And you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're going to do with all the players because there's
Speaker 1: only so many players who can play on the Live Tour.
Speaker 1: That's another problem here. But playing in the Master is
Speaker 1: great and that means you get Phil Nicholson there, Patrick
Speaker 1: Reid's going to play. Their books kept it great, Dustin Johnson,
Speaker 1: it's great for the sport. Those guys tried to dismantle
Speaker 1: the sport. Now they did. I think that they made
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour better. They got their attention and they
Speaker 1: spend more money and they should for these golfers. And
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's modifications to be made there, but
Speaker 1: the Lift Tour is not growing the sport. That was
Speaker 1: not their goal. That was never their goal. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at temperatures at kickoffensive now this weekend, Bills at the
Speaker 1: Bears fourteen degrees. Now we don't have wind chill, Seahawks,
Speaker 1: Chiefs fifteen degrees, Raiders Steelers eighteen degrees. How cold is
Speaker 1: cold enough to impact a game? Because I always think
Speaker 1: it's the wind. It's not necessarily that it's cold. It's
Speaker 1: when you add the wind, and if there's snow precipitation,
Speaker 1: then it affects. But temperature wise, that wouldn't but I
Speaker 1: would think the wind would. Yeah. Point, I've got the
Speaker 1: Chicago forecast, which I always have on my screen. Of course,
Speaker 1: I've got a high of ten on Saturday? Isn't the
Speaker 1: Bears game? Is that a Saturday game? Right? Not a
Speaker 1: Sunday game. I think it's Saturday. I think so. Wind
Speaker 1: of twenty low of zero non degrees? Is justin Field's
Speaker 1: going to play in that game? I think he's good
Speaker 1: as of right now. I thought he was injured. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna run the ball in this game because
Speaker 1: of the weather. Oh really, just this game. He's going
Speaker 1: to run this one, yes, Ton, That's one of the
Speaker 1: early games on Saturday. Bills advars. All right, Michael and Indiana. Hi, Mike,
Speaker 1: squeeze you in here? What's on your mind? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: How are you doing great? Mike? Hey, I have to
Speaker 1: admit I'm trying to hate or hate the player knock
Speaker 1: the game. You used to drop water balls, online ball stake,
Speaker 1: Cardinals jack when you played Okay, But the question I
Speaker 1: have for you is, um, I've never understood this in
Speaker 1: the knockout round. And this is for one of your
Speaker 1: guys in the backseat. Why do they keep kicking the
Speaker 1: ball back to the goalie but five minutes left? Can
Speaker 1: we talk about this in three and a half years
Speaker 1: I'll put it on my list. And now we're having questions.
Speaker 1: It's about the knockout round in Croatia, Morocco third place game.
Speaker 1: That's weird. I think we're good. I think we're good.
Speaker 1: More phone calls coming up in the final hour. Ron
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