1 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: George. Podcast starts now, Podcast starts now? Okay, cool, what's 2 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: up everyone? You're listening to straight away? But that was normal. 3 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm just because we were like podcast starts now, and 4 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: I was like yeah, and I thought that was the beginning, 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: and then you completely went into this character. No. I 6 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: thought you were like podcast starts sound. I was like, 7 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: all right, podcast starts sound. Then I thought it was 8 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: gonna like we were just gonna keep going off of that. 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: And then you're like, damn, maybe don't make fun of me, 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, to make fun of me. I'm I'm I'm 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: trying to inject a little bit of energy we were feeling. 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: I just had a very spiritual journey and now we're 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: trying to be fun and up and not to be 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: too behind the scenes, which is our favorite thing to do. 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: But we did, you know, listeners will at this point, 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: I've already heard the Keiko episode, so we are literally 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: coming out of like the last thirty minutes of that 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: is Keiko giving us essentially one would say, kind of 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: a queer sermon. Yeah. Well, and I guess here's what 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking now that we are not in that episode. Um, 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: how did you decided? No, No, I'm not. I think 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: we can still talk about it actually, Okay, Like I 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: think it's an evergreen topic. I'm just saying, is um 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: spirituality speaking to you more so in this moment, you know? Um? 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 1: I mean, as with everything, one thing I do relate 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: to is the is being more grateful. And I do 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: think I think the the intervention that has the like 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of mental intervention that works best on me is 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: when people forced me to stop being a little bit 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and be a little grateful for the things I do have. 31 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: I believe in that much more so than I believe 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: in like the power of positive thinking or like the 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: secret or uh, you know, any kind of like visualize 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: like all that stuff I'm very skeptical of. But I 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: do think taking a pause and being grateful is is 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: good practice. And this brings us back to something I've 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: I was in a bad mood all week and I 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: realized it's truly like when I have something it's not 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: good anymore, when other people have it that's really good, 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: and it's like I have to stop. I think I 41 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: don't know what blame growing up in sports, but I'm 42 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: constantly competitive in a toxic way that is not fun 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and not enjoyable. That's so interesting because even though I 44 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: am a very competitive person, I don't think i'm competitive 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: and career stuff in the same way you are I 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: And maybe I am subconsciously and I haven't even let 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: myself go there. But to me, what pisces me off 48 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: when I met my most toxic is when is when 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: is when I find someone is stupid. We're not stupid, 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: but like annoying. Like I'm more. Let's say there's like 51 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: a successful person that I don't think deserves their success. 52 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. But if there's a person, even 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: if they're not success, when they're being annoying, then I 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: completely lose my mind. Uh, Like I think it's I 55 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: get more piste off. If someone is like literally hosting 56 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: a show in the middle of a desert, but the 57 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: poster is stupid, then I do. If someone I hate 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: is the president of NBC, Wow, that is so crazy. Yeah, 59 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: that like not to like judge your deal, but it's 60 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: it's a weird deal, and it's a weird deal. It's 61 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: not right. It's actually maybe your deal. You're I think 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: you're more. Um, I think at least if you are 63 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: directing your ire to the people in the top at least, 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: then you can say like you're punching up, like you're 65 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, you are resentful of people with power, Whereas 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: for me, it's like, why are you like that, You're 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: just resentful of people? Yeah, regardless, I mean I love, 68 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's very I'm gonna go ahead and say egalitarian. 69 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: And then and here's the really sick and twisted part 70 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes I almost feel like I respect power 71 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: in a way despite my best intentions. Where then if 72 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: someone okay, if someone you know, like does get something, 73 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: I suddenly, despite my best uh, you know, despite myself, 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: do respect them a little more. Wow, that is so interesting, 75 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: you know. And I'll say on on on my interpretation 76 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: of your thing. When I see someone, you know, for 77 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: the example you gave, hosting a show in the desert 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and they're being stupid, I kind of love it because 79 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: I'm like, look at them, like they're like really living 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: out loud and like they are so stupid and like 81 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: they don't even care. And I think that's so beautiful. 82 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: And if more people were just being proudly stupid, then 83 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: we'd be happier. But which is why I think you 84 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: actually are more of Akiko than I actually think you 85 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: have a more pure um vision of the world than 86 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: I do. I think your value like um personal expression 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: and like art in a more pure way than I do. 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: I think a big part of my childhood because of whatever, 89 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and you know, we don't have to get into like 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: immigrant parents and and like feeling like you know, every 91 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, it was like everything they were doing was 92 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: like making sacrifice for the next generation. Blah blah. It 93 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: was like to me, it's so foreign to me to 94 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: see someone doing a show in the middle of the 95 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: desert and be like happy for them. I'm immediately like, well, 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: what what are you doing with that? Like where's that going? Wow? Toxic? 97 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you're toxic. I love that. 98 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's very like I see you like I like, 99 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: I see you as like a father, like sort of 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: like scolding like the child that's like I want to dance, 101 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: and you're like, good luck paying rent with dance money. 102 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: And it's like and here's the real and here's the 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: real heartbreaking part of it. I'm both the father and 104 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: the child. I'm holding a little stone scolding my inner 105 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: child and telling him don't dance, faggot. Wow, your inner 106 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: father is truly homophobus is based on my internal demons? Wow? 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: Should we bring? Well? What? What? What? I'm just ready 108 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: for a different person to enter this conversation. I feel 109 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: like I've said what I want to say. Are you? 110 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: Are you bringing them in because you're upset with me 111 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: because you don't think I'm like pulling my weight or 112 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: what I'm just breaking Because to my mind, our guest 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: as we develop a relationship, I'm starting to get to 114 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: know him more. I think he combines part of my uh, 115 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: part of my personality with part of your personality. I 116 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: think we'll do a very good job of balancing the 117 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: two of us. What do you think, Well, that's a 118 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: pretty high bar, but let's try it is it's I mean, 119 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: could not be higher, honestly, to combine. I mean, scientists 120 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: have been trying to create one game and that combines 121 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: my personality with your personality for centuries. Of course, I've 122 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: been funding efforts to prevent that, because then that would 123 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: make our podcast obsolete. Well, and that's why you're so 124 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: obsessed with people in power, is because they're the benefactors 125 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: of your project. Um, I do think I know you 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: think I'm obsessed with you. I know I said that, 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, when I said, but I do 128 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: know I do think you I think you think I 129 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: love power. I okay, you do. Sorry to our guest. Sorry, 130 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: I do think. Sorry to our guest. I think you 131 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: do like power. I I and we all like power 132 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: a little. It's one of the things of that people pursue. 133 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm not like, oh, I don't want it. 134 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: It's just like or not. And again, despite my despite 135 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: my best intentions, I'm like I the allure of institutions 136 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: gets to be. I still I crave stability, I crave 137 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: like I crave some systems, but I do understand like 138 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: I feel maybe like I've seen too much of the 139 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: systems and where I'm not impressed by them and like 140 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: who gets sucked into them and like raised up in them? 141 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: So maybe I don't respect it in the way that 142 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: like I did when I was a senior in college. Yes, um, 143 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: I just want to say to our guests in advance, 144 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: our apologies for the way the next hour and a 145 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: half will go. And I also want to apologize to 146 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: I guess but preemptively and say sorry for you know, 147 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: bring you into this a podcast as a world, and 148 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: we're bringing you into a broken one, broken annihilation. This 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: is annihilation, which I've never seen, but I pretty much 150 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: get it. It's actually better than you think. Okay, what 151 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I want to see is okay, I want to see 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guests, Sam out Fine. Today we have 153 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: with us a very special guest all the way from 154 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: I think Los Angeles, California, but originally before that lived 155 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York, I think, And before that I 156 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: have no idea where he has from Rome Police. Welcome 157 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: to the show Stradio Lab that you're currently listening to, 158 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: Elliot Glazer. Guys, wait, Elliott, I want to guess where 159 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: you're from, and I think maybe I do know? Are 160 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: you from You're from New York State? Uh like technically 161 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: technically yes, are you from Long Island? Of course, I think, 162 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: And I that's not like a wild guest. I think 163 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: I read that summer but I wanted but I but 164 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I wasn'tive. Fortunately, that's true kind of a mecca of 165 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: straight culture. One could say yes, as Matt Rogers and 166 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: I can continually commiserate. It is sort of the apex 167 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: of um masculine, say Guido masculine Italian Italian like machismo, 168 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: which was deeply toxic and unsettling and violent for for me, 169 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I think as a teenager, Yeah, I do think that's 170 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: actually a good sam. Did you grow up in a 171 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: masculine nized environment, um, not to the extent of Long Island, 172 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I don't think. But it depended on where I was, 173 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: Like when I was in like southern Virginia, yes, definitely, 174 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: but when I was in like Michigan, maybe a little less. 175 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: So Yeah, I feel like people often, you know, when 176 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: you think about like the South as being you know, 177 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: like the South as being like you know where really 178 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: really scary for queer people, it's so funny just because 179 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: like the where I grew up was so Italian and 180 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: so like Irish Catholic, but that you wouldn't necessarily like 181 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: think that two would have a you know what would overlap, 182 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: but they really do in terms of like fear that 183 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: that they they could put into uh were people, especially 184 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: when they're young. Yeah. I have such a skewed view 185 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: of Long Island because everyone that I meet from there 186 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: is like obviously like the gay and weird and like 187 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: moved away, and I'm like, oh my god, like Long 188 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: Island seems like so everyone that's there is like so fun. 189 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: It is a very odd it is a very well 190 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: a lot of it. It's it's as some people don't 191 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: know that it's like a very big it's a very 192 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: big long island and but there's a lot of different 193 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: parts that I love. Some people don't know. It's actually 194 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: a long but people don't know. They don't know that 195 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: it's like four hours long from you know, from like 196 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: technically Brooklyn to the Hampton's. It's it's a long drive. 197 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: Some people think it's sort of like a little Hamlet 198 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: or something, but it's so it's so it's just a 199 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: strangely uh geographically mapped, ethnically mapped place and that it's 200 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: like you know, you have Brooklyn, then you have Queens, 201 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: and you have Nassau County, which is like very Jewish, 202 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, very ethnic, very democratic, and then you bleed 203 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: into Suffolk County, which is like super guido e and 204 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: Italian and um, you know a little bit more of 205 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: like a melting pot, but just for white people. And 206 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: then it's just like like white trash, white trash, white trash, 207 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and you get to the Hampton's. Interesting, yeah, it's a 208 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: it's an odd place Hamptons. I know, like anybody who 209 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: goes to the Hamptons, Like nobody, nobody who like drives 210 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: to the Hamptons or whatever is going to stop in 211 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: like surely or like you know, or in like uh, 212 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Wading River. Like that's it's just not gonna happen. There's 213 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: crazy that. It's like it is the place that separates 214 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: New York proper as most people see it from literally 215 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: the place where people from New York proper vacation. But 216 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: you would never see like yeah, you would never see 217 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: like Carrie Bradshaw like shopping for you know, shopping in 218 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: like Comac or like getting going to like Bagel Boss. 219 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: And yeah maybe in the reboot. In the reboot, I 220 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: would love actually set in Long Island. It's it's it's 221 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: still all white, but it's right in Long Island and 222 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: East Riches. Yeah, it's way more justified now that it's 223 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: all white. Yeah. They were like, of course, they were like, 224 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: this isn't realistic for it to be in Manhattan, But 225 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: what if we set in Satin and actually now they're 226 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: all Italian. Oh yeah, well that'd be yeah, Saten Island 227 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: and Long Island are very similar in a lot of ways. 228 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: They're both very red. They're both sort of like violent 229 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: and angry, but without like education really Whereas like whereas truly, 230 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: whereas like Jersey and like NASA, only you know, like 231 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: New Jersey, like it's it's not exactly the same. It's 232 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: there's different weird pockets of New York and the burbs. 233 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: To me, speaking of masculinity and New Jersey, I I 234 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: lived in New Jersey for I think seven years of 235 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: my life. I have a memory that I think encapsulates 236 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: my first revolt against masculinity, which is that I was 237 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: placed in some kind of soccer team against my will, 238 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: and it was St. Patrick's Day and the coach. The 239 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: coach came out and had green hair for St. Patrick's Day. 240 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: But I didn't know what St. Patrick's Day was because 241 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: my family was for it and I had never heard 242 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: of it, and so I was like, like, who is 243 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: this zoomba boomba or whatever. I was very scared, and 244 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: so this like giant green haired guy walks up and 245 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: it's like everyone ready, and then everyone follows him, and 246 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: I just started crying and hugged my mom. I'm scared 247 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: very much me very much. Me. Yeah, I was scared 248 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: of everything. And I was scared of even you know, 249 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: even as like a teenager or whatever. I was like scared. 250 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I was very scared of quote unquote bad kids, you know, 251 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: or anything that was remotely quote unquote bad any like music, 252 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, any anything that was remotely bad scary uh again, 253 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, um rebellious, anything that rebelled against parents in 254 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: the system. I was just not a fan of. I 255 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: was the exact same way I like self censored. I 256 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: like I didn't watch The Simpsons because I was like, 257 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: this is for bad kids. I like, I didn't listen 258 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: to like certain music because I was like, that's for 259 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: bad kids. I can't listen to corn mother for bad kids. 260 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go near anybody who did listen to corn. 261 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go to near them. I truly wouldn't go 262 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: near them. Like the grittiest thing that I got close 263 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: to was Rent, which I mean that's real life, real life, 264 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: real New York. I do remember realizing that like the 265 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: hard kids, like the kids that looked scary were actually 266 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: the most empathetic. Like you hear that you knew that 267 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: ahead of time. We took years to figure that out. 268 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: But I was never I was never brave enough to 269 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: be part of any subculture or to like look any different. 270 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Like I was always fitting in. But like I just 271 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: remember the girls that like would wear all black and listened, 272 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, it looked like Evanescence or whatever. At first, 273 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what's you know, Like this is weird, 274 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: and then you would realize, oh, no, they are Actually 275 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: they are the kind ones and the blonde story girls 276 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: are the mean ones. Yes, it's it's a yeah, it's 277 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: a strange. It's a strange dichotomy between those two that like, 278 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: the safer ones are the ones who are like dark 279 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote dark. Um Elie, did you ever go through Sorry, 280 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: this is literally WTF now Apparently I don't just like 281 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: you really bring it out in us. We're like both 282 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: actually being the best interviewers we've ever been. I know, 283 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about like other people's lives. I'm like 284 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: considering people's feelings. There's no empathy. Um wait, did you 285 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: ever go through a rebellious era? No, my, my, Instead 286 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: of rebelling, especially as a kid, I I didn't rebel 287 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: I sort of. Um, I tried to deflect, so I 288 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: would dress like a like a like a children's entertainer, 289 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, like lots of thrift store stuff, bright, disgusting, 290 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: ugly colors, like flip flops in the winter. Anything I 291 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: could do. I had like a goatee that literally literally 292 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: looked like a gnarled up vagina. That was my gnarly 293 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: like late nineties two thousand goatee in high school. I 294 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: would love to see that. Okay, drag me, some of 295 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: these are coming back literally, Oh no, god no, I 296 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: think it was literally the year two thousand and I 297 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: had that gnarly asked like Chris Kirkpatrick goatee. And this 298 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: kid who I was with, who I'm still friends with 299 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: his day, was like a computer genius and like had 300 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: pre photoshop abilities to like you know, mess like like 301 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: mess with photos and stuff. And he took my face 302 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: in what looked like a mug shot and managed like 303 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: this is gonna sound terrible, but he he edited to 304 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: make it look like I had um developmental disorders. That's 305 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: a very two thousand joke. But well, let's get him. 306 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: It's horrible, It's really bad, and the goatee is only 307 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: made worse. The goat I remember, so distinctly having a 308 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: conversation with this girl who was my neighbor, where she 309 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: was describing this guy she that was so hot, and 310 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: she goes, he has um a goatee and he also 311 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: has a lip piercing, which goes really well with a 312 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: got Yeah. I definitely had a moment where I shaved 313 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: the goatee but kept what I like to call the 314 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: soul patch. Yeah, car gnarly is to um. Yeah, I'll 315 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: make I'll take it even I didn't want to say this, 316 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: but I'll say it anyway. It only made it worse 317 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: by release release. What am I talking about by recording 318 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: a demo under my my like musician name soul Patch. 319 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, your musicial name was soul Patch. I 320 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: mean that was eighteen, but yes, I love that. Eighteen 321 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: is still an adult Elliott. Well, maybe you'll find one 322 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: of the ten c ds somewhere. What was the tone, 323 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: what was the vibe? What were you trying to? It 324 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: was like Robin Thick. Oh, it's like the least I 325 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: think like in terms of that era, that's the least 326 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: embarrassed because it could have been like, yeah, you know, 327 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: really bad SKA crazy Town or yeah, scot no it 328 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: was like Robin Thick, like, you know, cool white guy 329 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: doing our totally cool guy, cool guy stream soul Patch 330 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: on Justice for Soul Patch. Unfortunately, I I have the 331 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: demo and my you guys know, my friend Brent Sullivan 332 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: who co hosts my podcast with me. I somehow let 333 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: him listen to that to the music years ago and 334 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: he has never let it go and it's like ammo. 335 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: He uses it as ammo. I mean, I have to 336 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: say I know someone I hate to duct her because 337 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: she actually is like such a successful and and like 338 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: productive member of society and to a husband, you know whatever. 339 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: She was in a teen girl group called the Slumber 340 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: Party Girls and they have I hate if no one 341 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: bully her for this. They have a song it's my 342 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: favorite song and you can still find the video online. 343 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: It's called the Texting Song, and I guess it came 344 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: out like when texting was first starting to get popular, 345 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: and the lyrics are like I'm gonna make you O 346 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: l BT double you, it's off of you, and it's 347 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: like them doing abbreviations of texting LINGO. Anyway, she now 348 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: literally doing a PhD um and and is and is 349 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: married and happy. That's crazy. It's also I love that 350 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: that um that's literally that commercial that we've referenced before. 351 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: But it's just like it's so perfect. Like the name 352 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: the Slumber Party Girls and the song named the Texting 353 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: Song are both so perfect to describe what like to 354 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: describe it. It's like if there was a plot in 355 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: a movie about like, oh my god, she used to 356 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: be in a teen girl group, that's what they would 357 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: come up with. It's embarrassing that no matter what your 358 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: teen girl group name, if it isn't the most popular 359 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: teen group in the world, it sounds extremely stupid in retrospective, 360 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: except for Dream, Dream Bewitched, I mean Bee, which sounds 361 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: a little I I truly, I will tell you like, 362 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: I still think Dream was phenomenal. I think they're like 363 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: bizarre staccato music that was like thirty second notes. Everything 364 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: was like I don't even know what genre that it 365 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: was like pop, but it was like this bizarre like 366 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: energy genre that I love. I still love. I still 367 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: listen to them. I don't know, I don't looking them 368 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: up and I own this CD. I I just you know, 369 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: when you like look at something you haven't looked at 370 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: since you were like eleven, and it's so evocative, like 371 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: this CD that has like a let's say, like a 372 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: burgundy background. Yeah, oh god, all of their hair they 373 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: were I think they were produced by Puffy at the time. 374 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Really yeah, and they looked they all looked like Jewish 375 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: girls from Long Island and Jersey. Yeah, they're like all girls. 376 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: But oh my god, the music was good. Wow, Justice 377 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: for Dream. Did you know Bewitch was like Irish? I 378 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: didn't know that that was like the whole thing. Okay, fine, wait, 379 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: that's like like really, I'm like Jones in to get 380 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: to our topics. So let's do our first segment first 381 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: and then and then we can we can enter the 382 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: next era. What do you think, Sam, you look stressed? 383 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I was, Um, it's computer. I was having 384 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: tech issues on my end for just one moment. And 385 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: that's why I'm, I guess embarrassed that it read so 386 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: clearly on my face. No, you were. You looked like 387 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you were actually like calling the control center because I 388 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: was very like, I was like, no, they can't tell 389 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: anything's up. I'm crushing this. They are thinking I'm smiling 390 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: and I'm laughing. No, I truly, I this is not 391 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: fun or interesting and I'm going to say it anyway. 392 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: It's just like, that's our podcast. It's hard for me 393 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: to like even open up like chrome tab while doing 394 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: this podcast, and I George is always like googling stuff 395 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: and like getting information while we're recording, and I'm like, 396 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm my hands are behind my back. I cannot do handcuffed. Yeah, 397 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: it makes everything so hard. Um, But with that being said, 398 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: let's do our first segment because George is apparently jones 399 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: ing for it. My god, you it's you know, I'll 400 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: say this. You've been the organized one recently in the 401 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: last couple of episodes by keeping us on strangle and 402 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to pull my weight respect that, 403 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I attack you. Okay, Yeah, that's fine, 404 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: but we could talk about it later in a couple 405 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: of therapy with Kiko s um Elliott. Our first segment 406 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: called Straight Shooters, And in this segment, we gauge your 407 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking you 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire question where you just have 409 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: to choose one of two things that we're giving to you. 410 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: It is inherently confusing, and the one rule is that 411 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: you can't ask any follow up questions about how the 412 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: game works. Okay, okay. Question number one, the Red Power 413 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: Ranger or the Green Power Ranger Green? Okay, Elliott, Spring 414 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: has sprung or looking for hung? Looking for hung? Saying 415 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: that should be a band name, or saying that should 416 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: be a drag name. That should be that should be 417 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: a band name. M hmm, you gotta go with the original. 418 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: Um okay, Fire Island or the Fires of Hell uh, 419 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: Fires of Hell, Fires of Hell Fire. Celebrities wearing Kabbala 420 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: bracelets or celebrities taking photos with the Dali Lama. Celebrities 421 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: wearing cabal bracelets. Um, twist and shout or stop dropping. Roll, 422 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: twist and shout. Bad Bunny or good Charlotte, Good Charlotte. Um? 423 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Public your nation or private suffering public your Nation? Wow, 424 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: Sam Year, that's that was a really good one. Do 425 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: you know I'll say this before I let your respond 426 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: to my compliment. Okay, you have been saying to me 427 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: that this week you felt unfunny and you felt like 428 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: you um it was difficult to write. I think that 429 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: you're straight shooters this episode and the one we just 430 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: recorded or some of your best ones. Yet. I that's 431 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: very sweet. Of you. I feel like, um, you know, 432 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: having a couple of good straight shooters does not necessarily 433 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: make me um a good writer or particularly funny. Um. 434 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: It's sort of word associations and maybe concept associations. But 435 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: but I do appreciate any compliments and I will be 436 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: grateful that I'm receiving them. It was a really long 437 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: winded way to say that, Well, it's actually very normal, 438 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: and I was explaining myself and you know, we've got time. Great. Um. Well, regardless, 439 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: I think Elliott did a great job in that segment, 440 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: and I give him a thousand dos because the confidence 441 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: was I thought, you never everyone has at least one 442 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: moment where they're like, wait a minute, what am I 443 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: picking again? Is it the straighter thing? And doesn't have that? 444 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: And that's and I and and that I tip my 445 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: hat off to you. I just wanted to go with 446 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: the gut reaction and that's exactly what you should. You 447 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: nailed it. And just to jump off store of what 448 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: George was saying, I also want to say that there 449 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: was a confidence, and confidence is key, and a playfulness. 450 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: You weren't you know, you weren't militaristic about picking answers 451 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm having fun with it. I'm having fun. But yeah, 452 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: I just want to say before I forget, because this 453 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: is a mind blowing realization I'm having. And this is 454 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: so the previous episode we were talking about ethical delusion, 455 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: and in this one we're talking about playful confidence. To me, 456 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: the two tenants of having of being the two things 457 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: everyone must have our ethical delue usion and playful confidence. 458 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: Sam and Elliott, What do you think ethical delusion like 459 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: you have to get delusional in a way that's fun 460 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: but but not like but doesn't destroy the world, Like 461 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: you have to be a little delusional, like Donald Trump 462 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: is unethically delusional, but like a really fun drag Queen 463 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: is ethically delusional because God is bringing happiness to people 464 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: with her delusions, right, got it? Got it? A little? 465 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: What is it? Candy with the little candy with the medicine, Yes, 466 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: candy mused with the medicine. Right, Okay, someone's here. Um sorry, wait, 467 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: So it's ethical delusion and playful confidence. And I don't 468 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say, Like, what what it's like? 469 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: What is the second part of that sentence? You need 470 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: those two things to what to have? Like a good life? 471 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, right, because if you're confident and you're 472 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: not playful about it, it's oppressive. That's if you're delusional 473 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: and you're not ethical about it, that's also oppressive. Yeah. 474 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: So and again not to I can't believe I'm literally 475 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: bringing up Donald Trump. He is about and una. Yeah, 476 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: just forget all of this. No, George, you're being smart 477 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: and this is what this. Anyone who listened to this 478 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: podcast for half a second understands. It's about made up 479 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: frameworks and figuring out where we live within them. Yes, Elliot, 480 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: and yes, um no, sorry, I just I'm very aware 481 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: of the fact that I keep speaking over you. I 482 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: want to get into the meat of our topic because 483 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in Sam, what do you think about that? 484 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: I agree, I second it, Elliott. Um, please tell the 485 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: listeners if you feel like talking about kind of the 486 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: journey of how we landed on the topic, that would 487 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: also be fine some of your backups. But but if not, 488 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: then let's take it away and and and uh and 489 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: let our listeners know what we'll be talking about today. 490 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: Well sure, I mean I definitely had a as a 491 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: fan of this podcast, and especially the concept that had 492 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: a few ideas in mind, I can, I'm allowed to 493 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: mention them, yes, yes, okay, I mean one I wanted to. 494 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: I thought it'd be fun to talk about nostalgia and 495 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: the sort of like you know, straight people just loving 496 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: like fifties saw cops and you know, forgetting the like 497 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: terror that that that that controlled everyone else. But then um, 498 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: in like the you know, the good old days or whatever. 499 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: But I think I also had come up with like Costco, 500 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: which is which? But then I doubled. I I went 501 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: back on that because I thought Costco could actually be 502 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: very queer more for like women. I think, um, you know, um, 503 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and well and it's like it's like it's helping. 504 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: It's you know, you're getting a giant jug of goldfish 505 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: for the community center. That's right, exactly right you basically yeah, 506 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean it is, um, it's actually that's a female energy. 507 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: To me, it's providing. It's mother. Yes we are proto, 508 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Yes we suck from the of Costco, right exactly. But 509 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: then the other another one I had mentioned was Caitlyn Jenner, 510 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: which was a landmine obviously for talk about, but with 511 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: her running for governor and doubling down her her distaste 512 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: for trans children. Um, I thought it was just too much, 513 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: too much, so I landed on Queer Eye as a 514 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: topic of heterosexual normativity. I want to know, like what, Well, Okay, 515 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: this is an obvious question, but it's like what we 516 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: often ask our guests is what to you is straight 517 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: about Queer Eye? Um, Queer Eye to me often feels 518 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: like it's emotional porn for straight people to feel better 519 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: about gay people. Not altogether bad, not by any means 520 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: a negative thing for the community. It's not a it 521 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't do us harm per se. But to me, 522 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know many queer people who watch it, and 523 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean only people who tend to tell me about 524 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: it are straight women. To my mind, I'm like, I'm yes, 525 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: ending in that I do think straight women are traditionally 526 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: the audience. But then something that's so fascinating is that 527 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's almost like the safe thing is straight 528 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: dad can also get into understand what what gay people are. 529 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: And on top of that, there's two iterations of it, 530 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and the first generation I mean I was, you know, 531 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: I personally was like in college when I think the 532 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: first one came out and that was truly groundbreaking in 533 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: a way that made me feel safer in the world. 534 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Interesting but still problematic if you're well to me. The 535 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: first one was like, gays are have taste, right people don't. 536 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: Gay men specifically have taste. Straight people don't, and gay 537 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: men are going to teach them how to have taste, 538 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: which is problematic in in I don't want to say 539 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: in innocuous ways, but in like straightforward ways. It's like, 540 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: of course it's problematic. Not every gay person is the same, 541 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: not every shape person the same, Like I cannot I 542 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: can comprehend how it's problematic. And also frankly, it's like 543 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: you can suspend that part of your brain and watch 544 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: something like that, accepting that it's problematic. What's weird about 545 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: the new queria is like, suddenly it's about like everything. 546 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: It's like about like it's just about celebrate, celebrating all 547 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: self expression and accepting oneself, Like there's nothing it's not about. 548 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: So then it so then it becomes even more complicated 549 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: to parts what the messages yes, And on top of that, 550 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: it's still like as much as they want to lean 551 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: into the emotional and the you know, self realization and 552 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: the identity and the and and the you know um 553 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: u um you know, validation. At the same time, it's 554 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: still at its heart about five sis gay men who 555 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: are like I do hair, I do I do clothes, 556 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: I do food. You know. It's like it's still this 557 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: weird thing where it's like I am gay and this 558 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: is my skill set beat beat boop, you know, which 559 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: is so weird to me. I don't have any of 560 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: those robot vibes. Also, like everything has to be emotional, 561 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: where it's like, actually, here's the thing. They've actually let 562 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: go of the idea that they're all experts and anything. 563 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: Is Anthony is famous, I'm not to be like or whatever, 564 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: but like Anthony famously is not good at cooking. And 565 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: then Karamo it's not like he teaches about people about culture. 566 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: He like gives them therapy, but is he's not that 567 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: good at that either. So it's like, well, why not 568 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: actually have experts in these fields and maybe we can 569 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: all saying I would like if Anthony taught me how 570 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: to make some food, that's right, that's right. And I 571 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: went to high school with um Jay, who was the 572 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: original Karamo. I went to high school with him, whoa 573 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: which was like a jarring, a jarring lesson in seeing 574 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: what makes you famous? Wow. Wait, that's crazy. So he 575 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: was young when he was on there, he was really young. Yeah, 576 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: he'd left he got out of or I think he 577 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: was out of you know, certainly out of high school. 578 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: He was much He was a lot older than me, 579 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: but at the time, you know, in retrospect, it was 580 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: like four years older than me, but at the time 581 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: it felt like, you know, he was like twenty years 582 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: older than me. But she left, you know, when he graduated, 583 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: he started doing acting and was like acting in the 584 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: city and on Broadway and then eventually was in rent 585 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: and I think that was what predated him getting onto 586 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: the show. Wow. Well, the big all these shows is 587 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: like all of these people just want to be actors. 588 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: Not no offense and right of course. But I was 589 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: like thinking about this when I was tragically dipping into 590 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: the circle the other day. It's like all of those 591 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: people want, like it is, they want to be reality stars, 592 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: which is fine, but like that is what they want. 593 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: Everything else to secondary whatever, it doesn't matter, but they 594 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: want the luxury of exists, of fame and public existence 595 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: without having to find the skills of an actor. Right. Yeah. 596 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: But it's also like it's their skills even in and 597 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: of themselves, Like I don't you know when I have 598 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: caught snippets of it, I'm like, it does take a lot, 599 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: Like I can't do what they do if I if 600 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: I had, can you imagine? Can you imagine what would 601 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: like here? Here are your dungarees, you know, like your dungarees, 602 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: And I have no idea what to do. And I 603 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: do respect their skill sets in terms of like what 604 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: they can actually do when it comes to food or 605 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: when it comes to remember I mean truly the guy 606 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: I forget his name, but the guy who was like 607 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: the hair guy, like he did a good job in 608 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: the first iteration and that and like um when they 609 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: would like cleat Tom Tom the like interior decker. Later 610 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: he was the most exciting part of the show because 611 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: he actually made big, huge, visible change in like a 612 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: living space. You know. That was like the sort of 613 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: extreme makeover home edition vibe that you would get. But 614 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: everything else about a little bit more tenuous to me. 615 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: I guess, like I watched season one of the Current 616 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Queer Eye and I was, like, you know, impressed that 617 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: they were able to get some emotion in it, Like 618 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: I was, you know, not to just just to give 619 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: them their due. I was like, well, this is better 620 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: than I thought it would be. But then it's like 621 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: I do hate how it like the transformations don't feel 622 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: like like what you're saying about, like they're not actually experts. 623 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: It also is just like they literally just got a 624 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars at Binobo's. They didn't like actually find out 625 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: how to style. They just like got six pairs of 626 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: pants and six shirts that work with them, And it's 627 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: like this is which is helpful, and I think, like 628 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: I think often if you give a person a thousand 629 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: dollars at a current store, they can like change their 630 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: look in a positive way. But like it's so bland 631 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: and it's very like I don't know, it's almost like 632 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I want to say, like I'm being stupid right now, 633 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: but it's like gentrifying a person, Like it's taking someone 634 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: who is like interesting and weird and turning them into 635 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: like you are Amazon dot Com. Now you have a barcode. 636 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: That would be funny if they end veiled everyone's barcode 637 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: at the end and they were like you on their 638 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: next Wow, Sam, that was a great point. Well, I 639 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: have been thinking about it for a while because I 640 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: was trying to like figure out what I was. I 641 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to speak before I was ready because I 642 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not sure if I'm how how did 643 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: they even discuss this? Because I feel something about it 644 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: makes me sad genuinely because like j Van, like I thought, 645 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: I think it's so charming, I think so fun. And 646 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: then it's like to see the sort of like crumbling 647 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: of like sponsorship deals and using like the non buying 648 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: ary identity to promote a makeup line. Is like something 649 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: about that is like so gross and this isn't like 650 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: a hot take. It's like everyone feels, you know, people 651 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: that are online feels, and it's not even their fault, 652 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: Like it's not simply like by design that is that's 653 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: the part works and that's like it's just such a bummer. Well, 654 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: it becomes it all be it all becomes commerce, it 655 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: all becomes product, it all becomes interchangeable with the fact 656 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: that this is a TV show that creates, you know, 657 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: that that requires advertisers and sponsors and makes money and 658 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: like it's all what you said, It's like it's it's 659 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: all in a system, so it's not necessarily like their 660 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote fault. It's like, this is the system that 661 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: theyre that it's all built into, and so when does 662 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: it stop feeling When does it start or stop feeling 663 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: earnest and private? For how how much of it is 664 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: for public consumption? And I think that's what makes it 665 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: like straight it's like emotional porn for straight people. But 666 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: that's why that I think that's why the commerce thing 667 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: is why I think the first iteration is so much 668 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: more honest, because it's like, well, yeah, they literally are 669 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 1: giving them new clothes and giving them and their decorating 670 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: their apartments and that's honestly fine, Like many people would 671 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: I would love someone to come in and decorate my apartment, 672 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: Like that's fine, and it's just it's simple and but 673 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: then when you make it about like finally coming to 674 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: terms with your identity and like reconnecting with your long 675 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: lost father and like and and so much what was 676 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: written about the New Queer I was about how they 677 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: were like deconstructing masculinity or so it's like, well, okay, 678 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: then if those are your stated goals, then it does 679 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: feel gross if you are selling nail polish because you've 680 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: created this like expectation that this is something deeper. Obviously, 681 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm like dumb enough to watch and 682 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: be like betrayed that they are not actually deconstructing masculinity. 683 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: But it's just like, well, then why go through that 684 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: whole process to make it that way to begin with? 685 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: Just give me like Carson Cressley, like making a funny 686 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: face and and putting someone in bell bottoms. Truly truly 687 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: watching watching him insist somebody get bootcut jeans. Yeah. And 688 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: it's also like, I I do think the title, like 689 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: the change from Queer Eye for the Straight Eye to 690 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: just Queer Eye is almost like it's like it's it's like, oh, 691 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: this is a show with a queer gaze or something like. 692 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: That's I think what they were going for. It's like 693 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: we're teaching people how to queer their life rather than 694 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, just whatever. And it's like that's actually a 695 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: larger project. And I actually think, if anything, it's equally 696 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: queer to just put someone in to just put someone 697 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: in the bootleg pants. Yes, that's funny, that's gay, it's funny. Yeah, 698 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: I do think it's such a miss um. I don't 699 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: know calculation that like gay men have it figured out. 700 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, Oh I know, I know. 701 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: That's the truth. God, that's it. And it sets us 702 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: up for failure too, That is it. You just you 703 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: just hit it on the head. It's it's such a 704 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: miscalculation and it sets us. It truly sets us up. 705 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I still remember, and again I'm I'm with you guys 706 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: where I air on the side of the first iteration 707 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: of the show. But I still remember. After the first 708 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: show came out and it became popular, I'll just never forget, 709 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: Like it was like a summer night in Long Island 710 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: and like my friends and I went to the diner. 711 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: It's just you know, true true Long Island through and through, 712 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: and the waitress tried to like ingratiate herself to me 713 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: by saying that her purse was a fag bag, Like 714 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: do you love my fag bag? And I was like 715 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: what like And it wasn't like I was dressed like 716 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't have like, you know, a like 717 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: feathered a feathered mullet and like boot boot cutch. It 718 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: was liked me, you're literally looking right at me as 719 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: you say that, No I love you or hair. I'm 720 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 1: just saying I didn't. I didn't look like I didn't 721 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: look like a like metro sexual or whatever the thing 722 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: at the time you have like a children's entertainer as 723 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, I look like a fucking bozo the clown. Truly, 724 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: I had like art teacher glass. It was a nightmare. 725 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: But all about to say like she knew I was 726 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: gay or she found out or figured or whatever and 727 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: was felt comfortable enough after Queer Eye to be like, 728 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: you like my fag bag what you know? But fag 729 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: like saying like fruit fly or fag hag was still 730 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: very much. It became cool at that point. Yeah, yeah, 731 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm okay. Now I'm scared. I'm okay. Here's me telling 732 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: about parts. And I'm like, are we being too negative 733 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: towards like not that there's there is stuff too critique 734 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: and we are critiquing it tastefully. But for the people 735 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: that do get something out of it, like get something 736 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: out of queer Eye. Yeah, Like, how do we like, No, 737 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, how do we give you're 738 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: you're giving them, you give them the benefit of the 739 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: doubt by saying that, you know, if making somebody feel 740 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: better about themselves is queer than like go for it. 741 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: And it's not like it's not like some big, destructive, 742 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,720 Speaker 1: homophobic force. It's just that it's more nuanced than most 743 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: straight people would give it credit for. When you watch 744 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: it as a queer person who feels dynamic, layered, flawed, 745 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: fucked up, weird outsider, you know, all of those things 746 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: I think pour into or those all of those things 747 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: can make you feel somewhat inadequate if you're watching five 748 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: gay guys, whether it's the first generation or this generation, 749 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: that are able to sort of come in and wave 750 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: their magic wands and you know, make somebody's lives better, because, 751 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: like you said, Sam, it's like they they they're like 752 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: the arbiters of like perfection, and you we just we 753 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: don't feel that. But it's not bad if that helps 754 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: other people. It's also like, you know, Elliott, you're the 755 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: first thing you said was that it's emotional porn, and 756 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: it's like, it may well be that, and that doesn't 757 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: have to be bad. I mean, it's like the fact 758 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: that it's emotional porn means that it's like kind of 759 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: a shortcut to certain emotions, just like porn is a 760 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: short cut to like sex or whatever. But it's like 761 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: I still watch porn. There's a place for it in 762 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: my life, yes, but not all. It's not all I do. 763 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: Like emotional porn can serve a purpose, just like sometimes 764 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: I want to watch like a tear jerk or a 765 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: movie because I'm like, oh, I've just like I've had 766 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: a day where I need to release and I just 767 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: want to cry it out. Like if that's something so 768 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: you so it can be a useful thing. It just 769 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't mistake it for being deeper than it is. 770 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: I think, right, I think that's perfect smart smart smart clock, 771 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: smart smart clock, nuanced rains in this part um, I 772 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: feel yeah, you know, I'm just i feel like to 773 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: do something a little silly. I'm like, what would our 774 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: ideal fact? That's what I was. That's exactly what I 775 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: was going to say. We need to do something stupid 776 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: and silly. Okay, you say you say it, what's your game? No? 777 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: My game is just what would your ideal fab five? 778 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: And if applicable, like, what would there what would they 779 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: be experts in? I'm sorry, but there needs to be 780 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: women and there needs to be look not just not 781 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: just to like check off a box, but like more 782 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I meet more meet trans people who 783 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: are much cooler than gay just straight up like gay people, 784 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: because I would say most there, right, they've they've had 785 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: to do more self discovery and sometimes I just trained 786 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: that to be so much more nuanced and dynamic than 787 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: gays than like just gay people. Yeah, which is honestly 788 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: why I would not want to put them through having 789 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: to be like the magical trans person for a correct 790 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: person exactly. Absolutely, Again, it's all it's all hard to 791 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: quantify it because by nature the show is meant to 792 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: be five magical yes queer people. So mine just really 793 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: quickly it's literally one that's my fab five is it 794 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: would be seven and they would each be an expert 795 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: in one of the deadly sins fun a religious twist 796 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: like that's fun right, Like one is an expert in 797 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: like sloth, gluttony, whatever the other ones are make and 798 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: then it like is playing on the gay people are 799 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: going to hell, joke fight and like self referential and 800 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: they can all be different genders and and and um 801 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: generated entities. Okay, mine is um all people that have 802 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: like secretly hooked up with Lindsay Graham and they all 803 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,479 Speaker 1: have a different um. The Amendment on the Bill of Rights. 804 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: So they're like, I'm the first, I'm in person. You 805 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 1: need to learn to speak your mind. For example, I'm 806 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: going to speak about when I hooked up with Lindsay 807 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: Graham and always just that they hooked. H oh yeah, yeah, 808 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: well I do want the amendment part of it. It's 809 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Lindsay Graham was a reach, 810 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: but you know, I just choice that not read well 811 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: at certain grounds. Okay, your network exec. I mean I 812 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: respect power as discuss. Wait, okay, so Elliott, not to 813 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: put you on the spot, what would yours be? Um, well, 814 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean staying in the political arena. I've always been 815 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with Michelle Bachman's husband. Sure, Oh my god, Marcus 816 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: b He was like, dude, yeah, and I want to 817 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: watch him do anything. You know. Gay husbands is a 818 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: good one. Diane von Furstenberg's husband is also great. Barry Diller. Yeah, 819 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: actually that would be a great fab five is all 820 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: closet and gay husband. That's that's my game. That is 821 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: my my fab five, truly, Maru and all of them 822 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: being like I'm into you know, only into women. You know, 823 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: I love my wife, love that their closet the whole 824 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: time the time, like a really good FAB five and 825 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: they're like, I may be into women, but I'm not 826 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: into this, And it's like right, right, right right, yeah, 827 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,439 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, I would love to see 828 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: my wife wear this, but it might look good on you. Well, 829 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: that would be so beautiful and powerful. Even most husbands 830 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: like to, you know, sit and wait for their wives 831 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: at Bloomingdale's. Me, I'm all about the shopping time for 832 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: a fashion show. Dare I say? Whole cree of us 833 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,839 Speaker 1: came up with very strong alternatives to the current five five? 834 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: Very true, Yeah, and very true to ourselves honestly, Like 835 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: even in that realm, Like how cool would it I 836 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: know he's never going to come out of the closet, 837 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: but how cool would it be to see John Travolta 838 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: as one of the fabs, like teaching white women, teaching 839 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: straight women how to dance to dirty Dance exactly. It's 840 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: like when you imagine, it almost makes me emotional to 841 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: imagine a world in which Don Travolta like feels safe 842 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: to be his Are you kidding? I would die. My 843 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: sister and I talked about it all the time because 844 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: we're both like, how cool would it be if he 845 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: just came out and you know, and just like lived it. 846 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: And I think his career would totally benefit from it 847 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: because they would pop off right now, would pop off. 848 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: And the more he's the more he like denies it, 849 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: like like like look at him, not wearing like wigs 850 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: and two pays and whatever anymore. People are like, wow, 851 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,320 Speaker 1: you look hot and like a normal person, the regular person, 852 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: not like an alien. You know. If he came out 853 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: and was like, and I'm gay and this is my 854 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: later in life discovery, even though we know it's not 855 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: later in life, but whatever, everybody would be like, good 856 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: for you, truly good for you. Let's let's have you 857 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: more like action roles or whatever, and you can be 858 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 1: the cool like action daddy. That's good and like not 859 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,360 Speaker 1: like he actually would be a perfect person to have 860 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: like a third act as like a comedic character actor. 861 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely like but I think for him it's actually even 862 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: less risky than for I mean not not not mentioning 863 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: any other names, like for like a list leading men 864 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: who truly would maybe in fact ruin their careers if 865 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: they came out. I still don't even know if that 866 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: would even I still don't really know if that matters anymore? 867 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: Does anybody care? Does anybody actually care? I mean, the 868 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: thing is like, here's what I was saying, and this 869 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: is I mean, I hate to even admit this, but 870 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: it's like when, for instance, when when Neil Patrick Harris 871 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: played like a toxic straight man and gone girl, I 872 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: kept thinking he's gay, right right right, But there's like 873 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: Luke Evans or whatever, they are definitely good. Example was 874 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: like I was, I like Harrison Ford came out, that 875 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: would be a different that's different. Do you think that 876 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: is like the final Glass Sie. It's like, we do 877 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: need someone who literally out of nowhere, like out of nowhere. 878 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: If if I'm oh my god, who's taken? Who's um? 879 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: If Liam Neeson came out, that would actually do more 880 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: for the for gay people, the other people that have 881 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 1: come out right, oh my god. I mean we're just 882 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: we're fantasy casting. That's what this is. We're just saying. 883 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: If you but if you're not fantasy casting, what if 884 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: it's like somebody more, if it's like Edward James almost 885 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh right, like him, or like Sam 886 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: Elliott or or somebody, but Sam would be a great one. Yeah, yeah, 887 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to go with somebody benign, like a Danny 888 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: Glover or something. Danny Glover more kind of like the 889 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: nine character actors should get gay? Why not? I mean, okay, 890 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 1: so Richard Kind is not gay, and so that is 891 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: messed up to me, right, yeah, Now he's just he's 892 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: just like Jewish truly. Oh that's I mean, I can 893 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: say it. I just it's like that's like Jewish, like 894 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: Nebashi where it's sort of like you're in the middle somewhere. 895 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: What's like Stanley Tucci to No, he's not Jewish, but 896 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: it's like the Italian version of that same thing. Oh 897 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: my god, I mean talking about fantasy casting. We have 898 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: to stop. This is just like like we have to stop. 899 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: I'm getting horny. I got morny when I said the 900 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: name driver, Like I know, I could tell there was 901 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: such a switch suddenly. I'm like, at a bar is 902 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 1: so hot? Anyway, whatever, I think we've hit on something 903 00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: another like this, we are currently exemplifying the gay mail flaw, 904 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: which is literally being dumb horny people. But literally this 905 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: conversation was derailed because we're just naming names of people 906 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: yeah and being like yeah, fun, yeah, and it's like 907 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: and like I think, if we can bring it back, 908 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: something about weird I is it is completely sanitized of sexuality. 909 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: So it's like yeah yeah, and it's like it's the 910 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: point is that we're like showing gay men that you 911 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: gotta honey, follow him to the bar, like, and then 912 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,800 Speaker 1: when sexuality is mentioned, it's like there's this schoolgirl he 913 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: he giggle, giggle. It's like someone will mention, you know, 914 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: um bottoming or something, and then someone's like, well, not 915 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: on Saturday and not on Sunday. You know. Just it's 916 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: just so you know, it's weird though. And I don't 917 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. 918 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the refic ramifications of it, but I 919 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: feel like on the first iteration the I think I 920 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,239 Speaker 1: was curious enough to go back a few years ago 921 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,800 Speaker 1: and watch a couple of the old is on YouTube 922 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 1: and the jokes about sex, the things that got remotely sexual, 923 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: like Carson making like you know, or any of them. 924 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: It was almost like it wasn't so much like t 925 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,919 Speaker 1: he he this is like dirty. It was more like, well, 926 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: gay sex is gross, so we're not even going to 927 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: talk about like you know what I mean? Like they 928 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 1: would throw it away as if it were like, oh, sorry, 929 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,719 Speaker 1: we don't want to, you know, like Carson like a 930 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: pseudo double entendre, and then be like, sorry, didn't mean 931 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: to like make you think of but sex. I remember 932 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: Carson being horny on that shop. My mind he was, 933 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: but but like I could, I could totally see that. 934 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: I could. I bet they cut out all that. I 935 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: bet you he actually and they cut it out. I 936 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: mean I remember one specific episode that was burned into 937 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: my mind when I watched it at twelve or something 938 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 1: where they like made over a man who was going 939 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: to a nudist party and it was like so then 940 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: there's like a scene where they're like, you know, the 941 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: final thing is like he's making a lobster in the 942 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: nude for all his nude friends, and you know, the 943 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: clear eye guys are sitting around being like, oh nice, 944 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: look at that one. I'd like to get his number, 945 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, this is illegal, 946 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: but I respect. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't 947 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: like That's what. I don't think they must. I don't 948 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: think they do them in the new one, because in 949 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 1: the first one, yes, there was there was a little 950 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 1: bit of like predatory culture and that that makes me 951 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 1: feel bad. And that's just me. I'm not speaking in 952 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,000 Speaker 1: our behalf of everybody else, but it makes me feel 953 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: bad because it makes me feel like others are going 954 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: to be worried that I'm like lurking in the locker 955 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:42,359 Speaker 1: room or whatever. Sure hunting for don God, you really 956 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: can't win. I have to say well, because I mean 957 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: cruising is back. Unfortunately back. That's for a different conversation. 958 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: I think should we do our final segment? Yes, I 959 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: think we should. I unfortunately do not have one, but Sam, 960 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: please describe what it is and Elliot ar if I 961 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: Those like it is called shoutouts, and in the great 962 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 1: traditional street culture, we give a shout out to something 963 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: we enjoy in the style of you know it's two 964 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: thousand one t r L. You're in Time Square shouting 965 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: into your squad back home. Um, okay, I have one, 966 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 1: I'll do and this was okay, what's up, losers. I 967 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to other gay 968 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: guys at the gym. Nature is healing. We are back 969 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,479 Speaker 1: and we are spotting each other and saying, wait a minute, 970 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: haven't I seen you somewhere? Nope, we don't know each other. 971 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 1: We are simply gay and recognize that in each other immediately. 972 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: It is fun because it feels like a little community 973 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: and the Blink loves to play some gay bar tracks 974 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: and I feel transported and it feels like the good 975 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: parts only Um, I love you gay guys at the gym. 976 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: You complete me. And we don't speak, but we speak 977 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: with our minds. Thank you. Wait, I'm gonna do one. 978 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a slagh risk please because this is 979 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: our our guests is implicated in this, as I found 980 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: out near days ago. Oh okay, ready, yes, what's up? Listens. 981 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to the 982 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 1: television series Younger it is. I have watched every single 983 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,439 Speaker 1: episode in the last month. It is literally my favorite show. 984 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: And the other day I imagined myself talking to someone 985 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: about Hillary Duff as though I knew her, and like 986 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: thought to myself, what would I do in that conversation 987 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: where I would be and and in that conversation, I 988 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 1: was like, she's actually really really great and like a 989 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: really like a real professional, and I just like imagine 990 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 1: what it would be like if I were talking to 991 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: someone about knowing Hilary Duff and um Lo and Behold. 992 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: As we were planning this episode, I literally looked up 993 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: our guest um and found out that he was a 994 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,640 Speaker 1: writer in an early season. Is that correct, Ellet? I 995 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: have never been more stars break in my life. And 996 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: also justice for Mary. I'm sure who should have seven 997 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: Emmys And that's it. That's my shadow I and I 998 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: meanly and genuinely it has been and it was. It 999 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: was Hillary. It was a fun, interesting career choice for 1000 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,840 Speaker 1: her to make that I think helped her sort of 1001 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: traject make make a smooth transition into adult television. You're 1002 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 1: doing right now what I want to do of you 1003 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: talking about Hillary? I mean like it was a really 1004 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,160 Speaker 1: good choice for I felt like it was. She's also great, 1005 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 1: Like she's a great person. She's not She's not like 1006 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: most kid actors I think are terrifying people, and she 1007 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 1: is not. She's so grounded and normal and lovely and 1008 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: polite and pleasant and each like even inquisitive, like when 1009 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: we were on set, you know, this is my first job, 1010 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: so I'm like a I'm like nervous about everything going well. 1011 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 1: And she was always not just polite and pleasant, but 1012 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 1: was like interested in the process and what was going 1013 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: on and I couldn't. Yeah, and I're literally doing exactly 1014 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,280 Speaker 1: what I doing. It's very funny. And you know why. 1015 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: It's because they announced that she would be and how 1016 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: I met your father. They're like your mother reboot. And 1017 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,919 Speaker 1: then in my mind I was like, Okay, how would 1018 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I talk about her if I got a writing job 1019 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: on how I made her? Right? I love little flights 1020 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: of fancy. Anyway, that's it, Um Elliott, whenever you are ready, okay, Um. 1021 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to um dog 1022 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,560 Speaker 1: rumors because right now I have a dog who I've 1023 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 1: had for three months, and there are some high end 1024 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: dog rumors and there are some lower end dog rumors, 1025 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: and yet I think they are all doing God's work 1026 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the way they are able to not only clean your dog, 1027 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,760 Speaker 1: but somehow, somehow magically make them in a matter of 1028 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: hours go from soaking wet to fully dry and their 1029 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,440 Speaker 1: their fur or hair hair in my in my situation, 1030 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 1: to be fully dry and smooth and like like something 1031 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,200 Speaker 1: you would buy on furniture you know, or or something 1032 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: you sleep on. If you could like that to me, 1033 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: there's some semblance of magic there that I fully cannot understand. 1034 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Because I've used hair dryers in my lifetime and I 1035 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know how they work this way, and I don't 1036 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. But dog groomers, to me, when 1037 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: they're at their best, are just some of the most 1038 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 1: magical people in the world, and I need to give 1039 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: them a shout out. Really, the most earnest part of 1040 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: this entire episode is you shouting out groupers? Do you 1041 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,960 Speaker 1: want to say? In my googling as we were talking 1042 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,800 Speaker 1: about here, I found out that j Rodriguez hosted a 1043 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: dog grooming show called Groomer Has It, which I watched. 1044 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Of course, I love reality shows about dog groomers. And 1045 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 1: I was going to say Queer Eye reboot where it's 1046 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: still fixing people, but it's all dog groomers doing it. 1047 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,960 Speaker 1: There was a show I love early reality television that 1048 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: took place in like workspaces, like I just love before 1049 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: people were performing. And there was one there was one 1050 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: show I forget the name of it. It was on 1051 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 1: like it was probably on Animal Planet, and it was 1052 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 1: just a lady in Seattle and her like very you know, 1053 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,520 Speaker 1: hustling her bustling dog grooming business and it was my 1054 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 1: favorite and she was just missing Yeah, you're so right 1055 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 1: about them taking places in workplaces, Like it's just like 1056 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I almost feel like even something 1057 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,720 Speaker 1: like the Rachel Zo Project, it's like she's a stylist 1058 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and it's her life and it's like, come in. Yeah, 1059 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you a reality show that deserves to 1060 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 1: be cannon for queer people. Specifically that was so that 1061 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: had such poor ratings because it was so niche and 1062 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: on the small channel. But if you can find it, 1063 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: I highly recommend you watch a show called Small Town Security. 1064 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: Is it about security guards? Yes, it's about a tiny 1065 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 1: security firm in rural Georgia. The woman who is like 1066 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: the matriarch of the place. Is this like a woman 1067 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: who should be a literal queer icon. She should be 1068 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 1: like snatch game level. Her husband is there. It is 1069 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: the most incredible thing. And on top of all of that, 1070 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: it has a groundbreaking trans character, Um, who is one 1071 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 1: of the most interesting queer figures I've ever seen anywhere 1072 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: in the media landscape. I highly recommend you watched Small Security. 1073 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,960 Speaker 1: It's so good that yeah, um well, Elliott, this has 1074 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: been a true delight. Thank you so much for doing it. 1075 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. I've wanted to for so long. I love 1076 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: you guys. I think this is the funniest podcast and 1077 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm so honored to be included. Well, we're very excited 1078 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: to having and and also I'm very sorry it took 1079 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: so long. It really was a fine on our part. 1080 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,840 Speaker 1: I have plenty of time