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Police grow, do not interfere with defensive 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:28.040 officer instructions. He will be impactations and right Asians stay back. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.720 By the time protests kicked off in Portland, protesters in 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.200 Minneapolis had burned down the Third Precinct and several other buildings. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.959 But as it turns out, Portland was actually the first 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.400 city in the country to declare a riot over the 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.040 protests after George Floyd's death. This has more to do 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.600 with the way that Portland police declare riots than the 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.800 objective standard of unrest, and now many months later, Portland 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.720 police still declare riots on a fairly right ular basis. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.520 It seems that Portland is set on having the first 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:08.040 and last riot of the protests. So what happened that 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.360 turned relatively normal BLM actions in Portland, which were happening 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.480 in every major American city into a movement that still 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.160 draws out crowds today. I'm Robert Evans and this is Uprising, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.320 a guide from Portland. My partners in this series are 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.519 a team of local Portland journalists Garrison Davis, Donovan Smith, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.280 b Lake, and Elaine Kitchen. We wrote this series together 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.320 and they'll be handling most of the narration. For this episode, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.920 you'll be hearing more from me too, as we've embedded 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.440 audio from several of the live streams I recorded during 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.399 cop riots. Right now, I'm going to hand the mic 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.960 off to Donovan Smith. He's reported on politics and social 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.280 justice for a wide variety of local publications, and he 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.639 helped produce a documentary on gentrification. Here's Donovan. After the 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.560 first night of quote unquote rioting in Portland's, a state 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.680 of emergency was declared and a curfew was imposed from 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.320 eight pm to six am, with the express interests of 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.880 cracking down a mass gatherings of protesters. When asked if 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.480 the curfew would be enforced if someone was, for example, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.080 to go grocery shopping, the Mayor's office replied, quote, the 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.799 city is not interested in citing people who are going 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.440 about their business, causing no harm and uninvolved in criminal conduct. Quote. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.400 But it didn't require property destruction or criminal conduct for 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.959 the police to start attacking and arresting protesters on Saturday. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.960 Even before the curfew. That Saturday, thousands gathered outside the 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.520 Justice Center, which had to become tradition in Portland. People 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.160 marched around downtown and occupied the Street in front of 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.040 the j C, the casual name given to the Justice Center. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.440 Police came out a few times throughout the day to 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.080 try and get people off the street, with mixed results. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.760 This culminated with the police and riot gear tear gassing 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.560 the streets and city parks around the j C while 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.880 bashing people in the head with truncheons, all in broad daylight, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:05.960 hours before the curfew was said to begin and tears. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:11.720 Look at this top, hitting with this, look at look 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.840 at this. Throughout downtown police and white vans targeted the 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.080 largest crowd of protesters they could find, launching tear gas 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.080 and stunt grenades into the crowd of people. Regular city 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.120 traffic was engulfed in clouds of gas on streets which 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.640 had not even been closed. Houses Portland are sleeping intents 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.920 were woken by flashbangs, gas and impact grounds. As a 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.640 clock struck eight pm. After telling and gassing protesters for 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.680 the better part of two hours, cops kettle protesters onto 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.839 a bridge, surrounding and arresting the entire crowd for being 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.800 out past curfew. A total of forty eight arrests were 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.120 made that night. Portland Mayor Tet Wheeler, upon his return 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.080 from visiting his sick mother, extended the curfew for yet 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.880 another day. On Sunday, May one, the largest crowd yet, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.839 ten thousand strong, marched across the burn Side Bridge and 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.920 they downtown. As the marches approached the end of the bridge, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.359 cops were waiting on the other end, blocking their path. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.599 Once the sheer size of the crowd became apparent, the 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.080 police turned tail and ran high, telling it back to 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.280 the Justice Center. The crowd followed them there and attends 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.000 hours long standoff followed. Eventually, the crowd thinned out enough 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.360 that police were able to tear gas and flash band 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.160 grenade protesters into dispersing. That night was one of the 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.559 most terrifying evenings of the entire uprising, with officers hanging 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:33.239 off of riot evans and grenading passers by seemingly at random. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.040 Mayor Wheeler extended the curfew for yet another day. At 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.400 a press conference announcing his ascension, Wheeler doubled down on 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.920 his law and order stance, this time with the help 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.480 of Governor Kate Brown. I want to be very clear 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.000 that there are open lines of communications between myself and 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.320 the Governor personally, as well as between our offices. There 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:59.240 is coordination with the Superintendent of State Police as well 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.680 as the leadership of the National Guard UM. I spoke 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.120 to the Governor three or four times yesterday. I did 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:12.159 make the request on all three of those occasions for 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:19.840 support from the National Guard. The Governor had alternative strategies 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:25.160 that she suggested, including deploying more State police resources. We 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.000 subsequently asked for additional tools that could be used in 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:34.160 the field. That was agreed to by the Governor and supported. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.440 Based on last night, however, I agree with what the 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.880 U S. Attorney has said, and I agree with what 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.560 my colleagues in the Portland Police Borough have just confirmed 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:50.000 with me, which is we do need more resources. Come Monday, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.880 June one, there was a shift in Portland protests. Instead 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.719 of meeting at the Justice Center, another crowd of thousands 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.599 gather on the east side of Portland's across from the river, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.320 down Town, at an aptly named concert venue Revolution Hall. 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.880 After some speeches, the crowd began to march west toward downtown. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.119 The crowd near Defense with a line of riot cops 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.720 behind the chain link. A young black woman at the 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.920 head of the march asketon officer of the crowd could 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.360 march to the j C, the police said no. Eventually, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.640 the huge march headed back to Revolution Hall and no 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.320 tear gas was used. Now you have to understand at 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.560 this point, a lot of the crowd had just been 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.680 the last three days getting horribly tear gas, beat up 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.600 and chased by the police. The thought of doing a 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.080 protest and march without being assaulted by the cops felt 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.360 like a nice change compared to the last three nights. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.360 But that all changed the next day, the day that 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.800 would become infamously known as tear gas Tuesday. Tear gas 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.040 Tuesday sucked. I had a full asthma attack. Um. I 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:58.040 had never been subjected to tear gas before, and so 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.360 I saw a cloud of tear gas, and I saw 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.200 a man fall down in the cloud of tear gas, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.360 and he was struggling to get up, and so I 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.920 ran in and I kind of picked him up by 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.240 his shirt and then grabbed him eyes arm and pulled 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.040 him out of there. And then I immediately had an 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:19.480 asthma attack. Um, and my buddy picked me up and yeah, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.160 that's both out of there. That's Chris, a volunteer protest 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.680 metic and tear Gas Tuesday was actually his second night 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.760 out the mutality he witness is what got him to 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.640 decide to dedicate his whole summer to helping people in 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.960 the streets. I saw a girl get hit in the 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.719 face with shrapnel and that was not okay. And then 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.840 everybody's getting tear gassed and it was a mess, and 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.280 it was the infamous tear gast Tuesday. And after that, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.200 I just kind of decided that I needed to start 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:51.880 coming out with medical supplies because how that was handled, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.480 what people were doing to provide medicine in that moment 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.800 wasn't up to a standard that I knew that I could. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.280 But let's take a step back, teas. Tuesday was a 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.240 noteworthy ship for Portland protests for a multitude of reasons. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.920 It was the first day since Riot Night with no curfew, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.080 with city officials even publicly admitting to the curfew being 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.439 ineffective now, and it was the first day that the 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.640 protests noticeably began to splinter. Just like Monday the day before, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.920 thousands warts from Revolution Hall towards the fence, which at 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.280 this point surrounded several city blocks, including the Justice Center, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.559 the Federal Courthouse, and Chapman in Loudsdale, the two city 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.800 parts which faced those buildings, only this time just half 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.080 the crowd turned back to Red Hall, but the other 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.600 half set on chanting at the police behind the chain 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.359 lenk fence. The Portland Police issue repeated warnings over loudspeakers 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.160 that protesters were not to touch defense under threat of 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.800 right munitions. As might be predicted, the sanctity of PPB 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.679 sacred fence became an immediate source of ridicule. Even as 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.800 police followed through on their threats and as members of 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.920 the crowd dared to touch the fence, the PPB once 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.280 again deployed an outrageous amount of tear gas. And it 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.920 wasn't even the mounted tear gas that was fired off 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.760 that night, but how they fired it. Several times police 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.360 rushed in multiple directions, all while firing off more tear gas, 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.000 creating a massive cage of poison. Police are boxing and 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.400 crowded on several sides and deploying munitions into the crowd, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:28.120 flashbags and gas to see the anti fashes black garcas. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.160 Two other things stick out from tear gas susan, the 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.120 first of which was just how many motorists driving through 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:39.840 downtown for tear gas by Portland police There From the 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:50.080 rooftops side gas count gas into the crowd shooting gas. Look, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.120 there's fucking tear gas. There's fucking tear gas in the 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.439 middle of traffic. That was just fired from someone up 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.760 on a rooftop into the mid lok traffic. Multiple times, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.840 people who are blinded by gas while driving panic and 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.280 lost control of their vehicles, nearly hit people as they 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.320 drove into crowds. Protesters were water bottles and medical supplies 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.840 render aid to drivers who had crashed into the curves. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.040 So here we have Look how many cards there are here. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:22.640 All of these people are about to get tear gas. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.040 So far they're just started arking them down at us 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.880 from god knows where, baby on the roof, they're just 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.440 coming down from the sky. People trying to traffic coming them, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.280 trying to kick them away, trying to stop them from 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.760 gassing to traffic. The other thing that sticks out is 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.760 the crowd's resilience was growing. Protesters started adopting tactics seen 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.360 in the Hong Kong uprising, like placing traffic cones over 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.480 tear gas candisters and pouring water through the top of 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.040 the cone to get the Bernie caranister out. We see 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.960 people actually very effectively deploying tactics here to stop these 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.680 tear gas grenades from dropping buck protusters and from gassing vehicles. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.120 A chance that became popular in the Whist to Come 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.800 was walked don't run, reminding people in times of panic 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.280 often the safest way out is just by walking calmly. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.440 More experienced organizers are walking calmly through the crowd, putting 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.800 hands on people and saying do not run. Do not run, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.959 because the thing that hurts people in situations like this 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.560 is panic. It's scary, but it probably won't seriously harm 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.560 you if you don't panic, and the police aren't going 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.479 to take any steps to try to avoid a stampede, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.160 So the only way to avoid a stampede is again 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.439 for the crowd to take care of itself. We have 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.760 seen people get so much better at reforming the crowd 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.520 after being gassed. That started to really improve on Sunday night. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.920 And look, most of the people are still here, still organized, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.280 still marching, still many thousands of people. This is the 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.720 first time we've seen the best job of the crowd 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.640 staying together and really shilling commitment and endurance uh in 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.920 the face of police brutality. So this has been a 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:11.679 very important and a very impressive night from the activists 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.199 and the citizens of Portland, Oregon. Chris, who acquired a 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.880 gas mask the very next day, sums of his feelings 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.040 about tear gas Tuesday like this. It was such an 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.960 odd response to see the police respond to a protest 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:30.640 about um police violence and brutality with police violence and brutality. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.440 What's up, guys. 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At night, about 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.440 a thousand protesters would gather at the sacred fence, which 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.360 now only surrounded the Justice Center and the adjacent federal buildings, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.520 to inevitably get tear gas and attacked by police for 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.400 quote tampering with the fence. Photo Journalists and photographer Mariah 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.720 says some of her favorite moments of the protests were 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.560 at the massive marches organized by Roal City Justice in 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.480 early June. I would say like in the early days, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.959 UM really is some stuff that really is memorable to me, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.920 especially with a lot of my UM favorite photos from 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.000 this whole um Um movement UM has come from the 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.879 earlier days. Like there was a moment I want to 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.919 say it was that Burnside Bridge when everyone was like 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.040 laying down for eight minutes and forty six seconds, and UM, 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.800 I got some good pictures of that, and it was 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.119 just really great to capture. UM. I think that the 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.359 moment when Damian Lillard came out, you know, everyone like 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.320 you know, had like this slub moment in this and 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.040 I got it. And at the moment actually when he 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.440 came out, I didn't even know he was out there, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.640 and so I checked my photos later and I was like, oh, snap, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.320 UM got him and stuff. Activists and live streamer Max 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.240 Smith attended both the larger daytime protests on the East 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.760 Side and the night protests at the j C. Here 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.240 he explains how he became a popular speaker at the 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.560 Portland protests and the interesting effect of having both the 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.760 daytime march and a nighttime action on the public. I 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.840 want to say it was the set into the third 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.760 that I actually got out in the streets um doing 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.160 the work with the security stuff and helping out with 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.960 the larger marches on the East side, the Revolution Hall 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.120 things and all that. So I was kind of doing 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.719 playing a couple of rolls over there with helping with 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.720 the Guardian folks and doing some you know, political education 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.879 at the same time. And it's it kind of just 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.080 came natural. I just started talking to people and people 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.320 started listening to what I'm saying, and um, on the 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:32.639 night of the five, I got arrested downtown at the 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.600 j C, um or near the around the area of 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.920 the j C at least I got arrested down there. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:44.000 And so that weekend I ended up giving a speech 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.919 at Irving Park and that's kind of where things started 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.320 and ended up being like streamed on the news locally. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.560 So that's where things kind of started changing for me 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.639 at that point, And can you talk to me about 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.679 that you were arrested, Yeah, just didn't kind of as 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.160 much detail as here because you're interested in going in. Yeah, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.600 that's fun my, you know, it was just a basic arrest. Um. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.119 I was actually out there with a couple of people. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.000 We had been going down a couple of nights to 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.359 see what was going on at the Justice Center, because 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.800 you know, I have been you know, if you're just 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.280 watching the news, all you see is, you know, it 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.320 looks like one big march, right, Like it's one huge march. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:24.760 It starts in the daytime and all of a sudden 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.600 it descends into madness at night. But quickly I realized 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.959 that there's there's multiple things that are going on. If 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.520 you leave your house, you know, you get the TV, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.480 it's a lot that's going on in the streets. So 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.880 I started, you know, going out to see different things. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.920 And we were down at the j C and things 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.719 got really gassy. It was one of the nights. So 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.840 again it was the first like you know, a few 0:19:44.920 --> 0:20:06.400 days of gassing, and I had been down there before, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.239 and this time I brought a couple different people that 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:09.399 were like, you know, I'm trying to see it, but 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:10.720 I'm scared. I was like, just come with me, I'll 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.040 show you what's going on. It's not that big of 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.040 a deal. But we ended up um catching up with 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.359 some other people down there and kind of had like 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.800 a little group and we were and there were a 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.919 lot of like teenagers down there, and so we were 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.520 actually making sure a lot of people got out because 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.280 there were cops everywhere, like circling and pulling people over 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.320 and stopping people and arresting him. So we were like 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:36.040 kind of helping folks navigate their way out. And then um, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.000 as it got late, there were a bunch of people 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.320 that were suffering from tear gas. And so myself in 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.639 a medic and I have like a first day to 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.719 training basic stuff, and so that those first nights I 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.399 was out there with like you know, milk or the 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.359 baking soda and water solutions and whatever else, just helping 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.439 folks out. And so we were following the groans of people, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.280 you know, coughing and and being becomes a tear gas 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.760 and the cops just rolled up with like four cars 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:04.320 and officers hopped out and I got snatched up and 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.040 it's got snatched up by that. I got grabbed by 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.280 the hair, got young to the ground, bruised my elbow. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.840 You know. I had to creeck on my neck for 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.359 a few days. But they arrested me. They drove me 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.280 around a squad car for like fifteen twenty minutes. They 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.800 picked up some other guy, Um, you know, they accused 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.359 him of drawing on a drawing on a window with 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.000 a sharpie or something, and he's like what and they 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.040 were like, you know, they were trying to charge him 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.800 with a felony. All of our charges got dropped. No 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.400 one got charged with anything. I got charged with obstructing 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.480 the police. He got charged with something else. As Mac 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.800 was inside the police car, he was also able to 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.400 get a sneak peek of how the police were targeting 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.000 people for a rest behind the scenes. I thought it 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.639 was crazy because they had this like thing in their car, 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.440 like this like a heads up display like a HUT 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.679 and it it it had like it had an aerial 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.520 view of this of the downtown grid and it had 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.960 like it was able to track people. And I thought 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.439 that was it was like a call of duty to 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.280 display like when you're like using like you know, the 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.760 helicopter or whatever. It was like that and like you 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.800 could see like the people and they were like I 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.240 represented like as lights a kind of there was like 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.439 a light on them. It was like a it was 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.440 like a black and white display and you could see 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.600 the things that are moving. But then like with people, 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.680 it basically lit them up with like lights and circles. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.760 It would a circle us um if we were in groups. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.160 And when the group's got small enough and they would 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.000 like a turn green and the cops were just to 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.639 go and rest people. The group of protesters gathered at 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.560 the fence were quick to make a distinction between quote 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.960 peaceful protests and non violent protests. While the massive Rose 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.320 City justice marches remained peaceful, the crowds have to j 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.720 C would engage in nonviolent actions such as shaking, tearing down, 0:22:50.760 --> 0:23:01.439 and cutting apart the chain link fence. Most of what 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.480 people did at the j C was just standing in 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.720 the street in parks while Channey demands and slogans. But 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:08.919 it didn't require people to tamper with the fence or 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.960