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Listen to two Teas in a Pod on 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Police grow, do not interfere with defensive 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: officer instructions. He will be impactations and right Asians stay back. 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: By the time protests kicked off in Portland, protesters in 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Minneapolis had burned down the Third Precinct and several other buildings. 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: But as it turns out, Portland was actually the first 26 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: city in the country to declare a riot over the 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: protests after George Floyd's death. This has more to do 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: with the way that Portland police declare riots than the 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: objective standard of unrest, and now many months later, Portland 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: police still declare riots on a fairly right ular basis. 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: It seems that Portland is set on having the first 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: and last riot of the protests. So what happened that 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: turned relatively normal BLM actions in Portland, which were happening 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: in every major American city into a movement that still 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: draws out crowds today. I'm Robert Evans and this is Uprising, 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: a guide from Portland. My partners in this series are 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: a team of local Portland journalists Garrison Davis, Donovan Smith, 38 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: b Lake, and Elaine Kitchen. We wrote this series together 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: and they'll be handling most of the narration. For this episode, 40 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: you'll be hearing more from me too, as we've embedded 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: audio from several of the live streams I recorded during 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: cop riots. Right now, I'm going to hand the mic 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: off to Donovan Smith. He's reported on politics and social 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: justice for a wide variety of local publications, and he 45 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: helped produce a documentary on gentrification. Here's Donovan. After the 46 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: first night of quote unquote rioting in Portland's, a state 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: of emergency was declared and a curfew was imposed from 48 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: eight pm to six am, with the express interests of 49 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: cracking down a mass gatherings of protesters. When asked if 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: the curfew would be enforced if someone was, for example, 51 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: to go grocery shopping, the Mayor's office replied, quote, the 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: city is not interested in citing people who are going 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: about their business, causing no harm and uninvolved in criminal conduct. Quote. 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: But it didn't require property destruction or criminal conduct for 55 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: the police to start attacking and arresting protesters on Saturday. 56 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Even before the curfew. That Saturday, thousands gathered outside the 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: Justice Center, which had to become tradition in Portland. People 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: marched around downtown and occupied the Street in front of 59 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: the j C, the casual name given to the Justice Center. 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Police came out a few times throughout the day to 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: try and get people off the street, with mixed results. 62 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: This culminated with the police and riot gear tear gassing 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: the streets and city parks around the j C while 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: bashing people in the head with truncheons, all in broad daylight, 65 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: hours before the curfew was said to begin and tears. 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: Look at this top, hitting with this, look at look 67 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: at this. Throughout downtown police and white vans targeted the 68 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: largest crowd of protesters they could find, launching tear gas 69 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and stunt grenades into the crowd of people. Regular city 70 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: traffic was engulfed in clouds of gas on streets which 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: had not even been closed. Houses Portland are sleeping intents 72 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: were woken by flashbangs, gas and impact grounds. As a 73 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: clock struck eight pm. After telling and gassing protesters for 74 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: the better part of two hours, cops kettle protesters onto 75 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: a bridge, surrounding and arresting the entire crowd for being 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: out past curfew. A total of forty eight arrests were 77 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: made that night. Portland Mayor Tet Wheeler, upon his return 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: from visiting his sick mother, extended the curfew for yet 79 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: another day. On Sunday, May one, the largest crowd yet, 80 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: ten thousand strong, marched across the burn Side Bridge and 81 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: they downtown. As the marches approached the end of the bridge, 82 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: cops were waiting on the other end, blocking their path. 83 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: Once the sheer size of the crowd became apparent, the 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: police turned tail and ran high, telling it back to 85 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: the Justice Center. The crowd followed them there and attends 86 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: hours long standoff followed. Eventually, the crowd thinned out enough 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: that police were able to tear gas and flash band 88 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: grenade protesters into dispersing. That night was one of the 89 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: most terrifying evenings of the entire uprising, with officers hanging 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: off of riot evans and grenading passers by seemingly at random. 91 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: Mayor Wheeler extended the curfew for yet another day. At 92 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: a press conference announcing his ascension, Wheeler doubled down on 93 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: his law and order stance, this time with the help 94 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: of Governor Kate Brown. I want to be very clear 95 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: that there are open lines of communications between myself and 96 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: the Governor personally, as well as between our offices. There 97 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: is coordination with the Superintendent of State Police as well 98 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: as the leadership of the National Guard UM. I spoke 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: to the Governor three or four times yesterday. I did 100 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: make the request on all three of those occasions for 101 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: support from the National Guard. The Governor had alternative strategies 102 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: that she suggested, including deploying more State police resources. We 103 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: subsequently asked for additional tools that could be used in 104 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: the field. That was agreed to by the Governor and supported. 105 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: Based on last night, however, I agree with what the 106 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: U S. Attorney has said, and I agree with what 107 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: my colleagues in the Portland Police Borough have just confirmed 108 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: with me, which is we do need more resources. Come Monday, 109 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: June one, there was a shift in Portland protests. Instead 110 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: of meeting at the Justice Center, another crowd of thousands 111 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: gather on the east side of Portland's across from the river, 112 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: down Town, at an aptly named concert venue Revolution Hall. 113 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: After some speeches, the crowd began to march west toward downtown. 114 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 1: The crowd near Defense with a line of riot cops 115 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: behind the chain link. A young black woman at the 116 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: head of the march asketon officer of the crowd could 117 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: march to the j C, the police said no. Eventually, 118 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: the huge march headed back to Revolution Hall and no 119 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: tear gas was used. Now you have to understand at 120 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: this point, a lot of the crowd had just been 121 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: the last three days getting horribly tear gas, beat up 122 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: and chased by the police. The thought of doing a 123 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: protest and march without being assaulted by the cops felt 124 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: like a nice change compared to the last three nights. 125 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: But that all changed the next day, the day that 126 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: would become infamously known as tear gas Tuesday. Tear gas 127 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Tuesday sucked. I had a full asthma attack. Um. I 128 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: had never been subjected to tear gas before, and so 129 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I saw a cloud of tear gas, and I saw 130 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: a man fall down in the cloud of tear gas, 131 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and he was struggling to get up, and so I 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: ran in and I kind of picked him up by 133 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: his shirt and then grabbed him eyes arm and pulled 134 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: him out of there. And then I immediately had an 135 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: asthma attack. Um, and my buddy picked me up and yeah, 136 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: that's both out of there. That's Chris, a volunteer protest 137 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: metic and tear Gas Tuesday was actually his second night 138 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: out the mutality he witness is what got him to 139 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: decide to dedicate his whole summer to helping people in 140 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: the streets. I saw a girl get hit in the 141 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: face with shrapnel and that was not okay. And then 142 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: everybody's getting tear gassed and it was a mess, and 143 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: it was the infamous tear gast Tuesday. And after that, 144 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: I just kind of decided that I needed to start 145 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: coming out with medical supplies because how that was handled, 146 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: what people were doing to provide medicine in that moment 147 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: wasn't up to a standard that I knew that I could. 148 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: But let's take a step back, teas. Tuesday was a 149 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: noteworthy ship for Portland protests for a multitude of reasons. 150 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: It was the first day since Riot Night with no curfew, 151 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: with city officials even publicly admitting to the curfew being 152 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: ineffective now, and it was the first day that the 153 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: protests noticeably began to splinter. Just like Monday the day before, 154 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: thousands warts from Revolution Hall towards the fence, which at 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: this point surrounded several city blocks, including the Justice Center, 156 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the Federal Courthouse, and Chapman in Loudsdale, the two city 157 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: parts which faced those buildings, only this time just half 158 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: the crowd turned back to Red Hall, but the other 159 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: half set on chanting at the police behind the chain 160 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 1: lenk fence. The Portland Police issue repeated warnings over loudspeakers 161 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: that protesters were not to touch defense under threat of 162 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: right munitions. As might be predicted, the sanctity of PPB 163 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: sacred fence became an immediate source of ridicule. Even as 164 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: police followed through on their threats and as members of 165 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: the crowd dared to touch the fence, the PPB once 166 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: again deployed an outrageous amount of tear gas. And it 167 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: wasn't even the mounted tear gas that was fired off 168 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: that night, but how they fired it. Several times police 169 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: rushed in multiple directions, all while firing off more tear gas, 170 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: creating a massive cage of poison. Police are boxing and 171 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: crowded on several sides and deploying munitions into the crowd, 172 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: flashbags and gas to see the anti fashes black garcas. 173 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Two other things stick out from tear gas susan, the 174 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: first of which was just how many motorists driving through 175 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: downtown for tear gas by Portland police There From the 176 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: rooftops side gas count gas into the crowd shooting gas. Look, 177 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: there's fucking tear gas. There's fucking tear gas in the 178 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: middle of traffic. That was just fired from someone up 179 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: on a rooftop into the mid lok traffic. Multiple times, 180 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: people who are blinded by gas while driving panic and 181 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: lost control of their vehicles, nearly hit people as they 182 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: drove into crowds. Protesters were water bottles and medical supplies 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: render aid to drivers who had crashed into the curves. 184 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: So here we have Look how many cards there are here. 185 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: All of these people are about to get tear gas. 186 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: So far they're just started arking them down at us 187 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: from god knows where, baby on the roof, they're just 188 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: coming down from the sky. People trying to traffic coming them, 189 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: trying to kick them away, trying to stop them from 190 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: gassing to traffic. The other thing that sticks out is 191 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: the crowd's resilience was growing. Protesters started adopting tactics seen 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: in the Hong Kong uprising, like placing traffic cones over 193 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: tear gas candisters and pouring water through the top of 194 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: the cone to get the Bernie caranister out. We see 195 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: people actually very effectively deploying tactics here to stop these 196 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: tear gas grenades from dropping buck protusters and from gassing vehicles. 197 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: A chance that became popular in the Whist to Come 198 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: was walked don't run, reminding people in times of panic 199 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: often the safest way out is just by walking calmly. 200 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: More experienced organizers are walking calmly through the crowd, putting 201 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: hands on people and saying do not run. Do not run, 202 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: because the thing that hurts people in situations like this 203 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: is panic. It's scary, but it probably won't seriously harm 204 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: you if you don't panic, and the police aren't going 205 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,479 Speaker 1: to take any steps to try to avoid a stampede, 206 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: So the only way to avoid a stampede is again 207 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: for the crowd to take care of itself. We have 208 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: seen people get so much better at reforming the crowd 209 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: after being gassed. That started to really improve on Sunday night. 210 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: And look, most of the people are still here, still organized, 211 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: still marching, still many thousands of people. This is the 212 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: first time we've seen the best job of the crowd 213 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: staying together and really shilling commitment and endurance uh in 214 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: the face of police brutality. So this has been a 215 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: very important and a very impressive night from the activists 216 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: and the citizens of Portland, Oregon. Chris, who acquired a 217 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: gas mask the very next day, sums of his feelings 218 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: about tear gas Tuesday like this. It was such an 219 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: odd response to see the police respond to a protest 220 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: about um police violence and brutality with police violence and brutality. 221 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. 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But this podcast isn't only about 266 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: tracking down the killer. It's about the victims. We stayed 267 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: in the woods. He always liked to go in the woods. 268 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: All of the kind of strange, you know how it 269 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: feels about prostitutes. Listen to The Shadow Girls on the 270 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, on Apple Podcasts or wherever you 271 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. After tear Gas Tuesday, things in Portland 272 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: started to fall into a pattern. During the day, there'll 273 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: be massive peaceful marches starting from Revolution Hall led by 274 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: a new group called Rosal City Justice. At night, about 275 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: a thousand protesters would gather at the sacred fence, which 276 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: now only surrounded the Justice Center and the adjacent federal buildings, 277 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: to inevitably get tear gas and attacked by police for 278 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: quote tampering with the fence. Photo Journalists and photographer Mariah 279 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: says some of her favorite moments of the protests were 280 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: at the massive marches organized by Roal City Justice in 281 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: early June. I would say like in the early days, 282 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: UM really is some stuff that really is memorable to me, 283 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: especially with a lot of my UM favorite photos from 284 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: this whole um Um movement UM has come from the 285 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: earlier days. Like there was a moment I want to 286 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: say it was that Burnside Bridge when everyone was like 287 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: laying down for eight minutes and forty six seconds, and UM, 288 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: I got some good pictures of that, and it was 289 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: just really great to capture. UM. I think that the 290 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: moment when Damian Lillard came out, you know, everyone like 291 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, had like this slub moment in this and 292 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: I got it. And at the moment actually when he 293 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: came out, I didn't even know he was out there, 294 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: and so I checked my photos later and I was like, oh, snap, 295 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: UM got him and stuff. Activists and live streamer Max 296 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Smith attended both the larger daytime protests on the East 297 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: Side and the night protests at the j C. Here 298 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: he explains how he became a popular speaker at the 299 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Portland protests and the interesting effect of having both the 300 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: daytime march and a nighttime action on the public. I 301 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: want to say it was the set into the third 302 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: that I actually got out in the streets um doing 303 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: the work with the security stuff and helping out with 304 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: the larger marches on the East side, the Revolution Hall 305 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: things and all that. So I was kind of doing 306 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 1: playing a couple of rolls over there with helping with 307 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: the Guardian folks and doing some you know, political education 308 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: at the same time. And it's it kind of just 309 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: came natural. I just started talking to people and people 310 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: started listening to what I'm saying, and um, on the 311 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: night of the five, I got arrested downtown at the 312 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: j C, um or near the around the area of 313 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the j C at least I got arrested down there. 314 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: And so that weekend I ended up giving a speech 315 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: at Irving Park and that's kind of where things started 316 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: and ended up being like streamed on the news locally. 317 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: So that's where things kind of started changing for me 318 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: at that point, And can you talk to me about 319 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: that you were arrested, Yeah, just didn't kind of as 320 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: much detail as here because you're interested in going in. Yeah, 321 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: that's fun my, you know, it was just a basic arrest. Um. 322 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: I was actually out there with a couple of people. 323 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: We had been going down a couple of nights to 324 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: see what was going on at the Justice Center, because 325 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, I have been you know, if you're just 326 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: watching the news, all you see is, you know, it 327 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: looks like one big march, right, Like it's one huge march. 328 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: It starts in the daytime and all of a sudden 329 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: it descends into madness at night. But quickly I realized 330 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: that there's there's multiple things that are going on. If 331 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: you leave your house, you know, you get the TV, 332 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: it's a lot that's going on in the streets. So 333 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: I started, you know, going out to see different things. 334 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: And we were down at the j C and things 335 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 1: got really gassy. It was one of the nights. So 336 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: again it was the first like you know, a few 337 00:19:44,920 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: days of gassing, and I had been down there before, 338 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: and this time I brought a couple different people that 339 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: were like, you know, I'm trying to see it, but 340 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm scared. I was like, just come with me, I'll 341 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: show you what's going on. It's not that big of 342 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: a deal. But we ended up um catching up with 343 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: some other people down there and kind of had like 344 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: a little group and we were and there were a 345 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: lot of like teenagers down there, and so we were 346 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: actually making sure a lot of people got out because 347 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: there were cops everywhere, like circling and pulling people over 348 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: and stopping people and arresting him. So we were like 349 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of helping folks navigate their way out. And then um, 350 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: as it got late, there were a bunch of people 351 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: that were suffering from tear gas. And so myself in 352 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: a medic and I have like a first day to 353 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: training basic stuff, and so that those first nights I 354 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: was out there with like you know, milk or the 355 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: baking soda and water solutions and whatever else, just helping 356 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: folks out. And so we were following the groans of people, 357 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, coughing and and being becomes a tear gas 358 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: and the cops just rolled up with like four cars 359 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: and officers hopped out and I got snatched up and 360 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: it's got snatched up by that. I got grabbed by 361 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: the hair, got young to the ground, bruised my elbow. 362 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: You know. I had to creeck on my neck for 363 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: a few days. But they arrested me. They drove me 364 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: around a squad car for like fifteen twenty minutes. They 365 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: picked up some other guy, Um, you know, they accused 366 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: him of drawing on a drawing on a window with 367 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: a sharpie or something, and he's like what and they 368 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: were like, you know, they were trying to charge him 369 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: with a felony. All of our charges got dropped. No 370 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: one got charged with anything. I got charged with obstructing 371 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: the police. He got charged with something else. As Mac 372 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: was inside the police car, he was also able to 373 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: get a sneak peek of how the police were targeting 374 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: people for a rest behind the scenes. I thought it 375 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: was crazy because they had this like thing in their car, 376 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: like this like a heads up display like a HUT 377 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: and it it it had like it had an aerial 378 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: view of this of the downtown grid and it had 379 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: like it was able to track people. And I thought 380 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: that was it was like a call of duty to 381 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: display like when you're like using like you know, the 382 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: helicopter or whatever. It was like that and like you 383 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: could see like the people and they were like I 384 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: represented like as lights a kind of there was like 385 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: a light on them. It was like a it was 386 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: like a black and white display and you could see 387 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: the things that are moving. But then like with people, 388 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: it basically lit them up with like lights and circles. 389 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: It would a circle us um if we were in groups. 390 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: And when the group's got small enough and they would 391 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: like a turn green and the cops were just to 392 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: go and rest people. The group of protesters gathered at 393 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the fence were quick to make a distinction between quote 394 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: peaceful protests and non violent protests. While the massive Rose 395 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: City justice marches remained peaceful, the crowds have to j 396 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: C would engage in nonviolent actions such as shaking, tearing down, 397 00:22:50,760 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: and cutting apart the chain link fence. Most of what 398 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: people did at the j C was just standing in 399 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: the street in parks while Channey demands and slogans. But 400 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: it didn't require people to tamper with the fence or 401 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: throw a half drunk water bottles for the police to 402 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: respond with force. As this protester can attest, I was 403 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: downtown and it was back at the original fence, and 404 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, there was probably I probably estimate like five 405 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: people there and everyone was really spread out and um, 406 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: there was no police on the ground. It was raining 407 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: that night, and they had their floodlights like pointed at us. Um. 408 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: And one shot got fired from one of the like 409 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: the little balcony areas, the one that's farther to the right, 410 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: and it hit me in the leg. It was just 411 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: one shot and it hit me at the like the 412 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: very top of my left thigh. And I was just 413 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: standing there with a group of friends like I had. 414 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: There was a beach ball in the crowd that night 415 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: and it said don't gas me bro, and I picked 416 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: it up and I started writing on it and one 417 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: shot off fired and it hit me in the leg. 418 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: And that was what I would consider to be at 419 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: least like protest related my first encounter with the Portland 420 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: Police Bureau. No one was doing anything. No one was 421 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, pushing on the fencer, knocking on it, and 422 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: they just fired a shot into the crowd and it 423 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: hit me. Conquer your New Year's resolution to be more 424 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: productive with the Before Breakfast podcast in each bite sized 425 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: daily episode, Time management and productivity expert Laura Vanderkam teaches 426 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: you how to make the most of your time, both 427 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: at work and at home. These are the practical suggestions 428 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: you need to get more done with your day. 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He was just seventeen in Portland's Vehle and 456 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: protests started, and for weeks he was out virtually every night, 457 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: filming some of the most intense police violence and posting 458 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: some of the most viral videos of the entire uprising. 459 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: Here's Garrison every night. The fence at the Justice Center 460 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: seemed to grow larger. The city doubled up some sections 461 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: of the chain link and stacked pieces of fence on 462 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: top of one another. Eventually, can barriers were added to 463 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: make it harder to knock over the fence. The divides 464 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: between protesters began to Widen as well. Some of the 465 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: more radical leftist BLM activists in Portland criticized rosity justice 466 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: and their insistence on quote peaceful protest over direct action 467 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: that might damage police property. Gregory McKelvey, vice chair of 468 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: organ DEM's Black Caucus and former organizer, pushed back on 469 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: some of that criticism. Gregory was also organizing on a 470 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: new front, now as Protest Gain Steam. He was in 471 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: the home stretch of leading a grassroots style campaign for 472 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: political newcomer Sarah I on our Own to take down 473 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: incumbent Mayor Ted Wheeler. Many Portlanders felt Wheeler had failed 474 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: on his promise to deliver fundamental change on issues of 475 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: housing and please reform. Instead, Wheeler became a symbol of 476 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: big money in politics more of the same. Gregory's candidate 477 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: I on Our Own ran to the left of Wheeler, 478 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: dubbing herself and quote everyday anti fascist. So you know, uh, 479 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: we had a situation where tens of thousands of were 480 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: marching every day and if you're at those events, they're 481 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: just beautiful, and yeah, they're way more liberal, they're way 482 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: more moderate. Um, but those people are being marched along 483 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: pun intended towards a more radical place. And you know, 484 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: Malcolm X said more eloquently than me that basically, UM, 485 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: you know everything, you know, there was a point where 486 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: you didn't UM. And so these people are on their 487 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: journey just as everybody else. And just because they're not 488 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: anarchists yet does not make them agents of the state. UM. 489 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: And I really think that those protests are what effectively 490 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: got us the UM the twenty million defunded from the police. 491 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a moment where they were math 492 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: protests and Damian Lillard was at the front of a 493 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: protest UM that was in capturing the entire city. Now, 494 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: if you're wondering, yes he's talking about that, Damian Lillard, 495 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: five time NBA l Star and Portland Trailblazers superstar point 496 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: guard Damian Lillard. Yeah, he was out there too. Way. Yeah. 497 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: They weren't burning stuff down, um. And also some of 498 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: their rhetoric was not, you know, as far left as 499 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: maybe I would like or and and certainly that some 500 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: people at the Justice Center would like. But I actually 501 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: do think those protests were more effective and they certainly 502 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: have far more support from the broad public. And we 503 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: were getting people at these protests who had never protest before. Like, 504 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the Justice Center protests should have stopped it. 505 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that they're ineffective per se um, but 506 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I think there's certainly much more effective if in tandem. 507 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: There's also the other protests going on. So if I'm 508 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: at home watching UM like Channel two, six, eight or twelve, 509 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: which I had to watch a lot for my job, UM, 510 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: they're not making a difference between which protesters are which protesters. 511 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: They're just saying protesters merged and Damian Lillard joined them. 512 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: Later in the night, protesters were gased and beaten. Right 513 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: that that UM way of explaining things is really helpful 514 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: for all the protesters, because is um they see that 515 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: protest with Damian Lillard and they're like, oh, I support this, 516 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: and then they see what they think is the same 517 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: people getting gas that night, and they're like no, no, no, 518 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: no no, And that helps us move the conversation towards 519 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: the funding once those massive protests go away and we 520 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: only have protests that Damian Lillard is never going to 521 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: be seen at now uh now they have no support 522 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: from the broad public. Early June is also when most 523 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: of Portland's police reforms were achieved under large pressure both 524 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: locally and from the nationwide BLA movement. The Portland's public 525 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: schools superintendent decided to end the school resource officer program, 526 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: opting instead for an increased spending on social workers, counselors, 527 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: and culturally specific mentors for students. Also historically racist Portland 528 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: Police unit was also disbanded. Here's more on that from Gregory. 529 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: We got rid of some of the specialty units, including 530 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: the Gang Enforcement Unit are formerly known as the Gang 531 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Enforcement Unit, which kept a list of mostly black individuals 532 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: that they thought were gang members. Um in it really 533 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: was a circle of our injustice car strol system um 534 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: and was really abhorrent and racist. And they switched their 535 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: name to the Gun Violence Production Team in a branding effort, 536 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: but still have the same mandate. We got rid of 537 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: that specialty unit. We defunded twenty something million dollars from 538 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: the police, which, um sounds like a lot, but we 539 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: were defunding from a lot of different bureaus because of 540 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: the pandemic in the budget shortfall in general. Alongside those 541 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: small reforms in early June, Portland also saw some negative 542 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: change on the road to police accountability. The officers responding 543 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: to protests were told they were allowed to cover both 544 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: their nametag and badge number amid fears officers would be 545 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: quote docked. Lawyer Alan Kessler explains this in greater detail. So, um, 546 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: there's a directive that says that the police shall display 547 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: their name on their uniform unless they get special dispensation 548 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: from their their command or to not do it. UM. 549 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: And the police are supposed to give you a business 550 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: card if you as they're supposed to identify themselves. We're 551 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: supposed to give a business card which has their name 552 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: and badge number on it right there. It's not supposed 553 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: to be a secret police force. And the directives are 554 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: there are several directives that are kind of about that 555 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: uh interaction with the public. It turns out that very 556 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: early in the in the protests, there was an email 557 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: that was sent out that told police that it's okay 558 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: for them to cover their badge and then replace it 559 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: with their It's called their personnel number or perner um 560 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: spelled either prn R or p r n r H. 561 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: And it's a it's a weird choice, like the only 562 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: the only thing that was used for before that was payroll. 563 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: It's in their accounting system. Oh and also Historically, it's 564 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: been used in the UH on some internal investigations of 565 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: police officers alike, in internal review reports. Um. But the 566 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: reason they picked it, like UH, I kind of guess 567 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: us at the time, but it was suit too silly 568 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: to be true, was there is a There aren't a 569 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: ton of things that are exempt from the public records 570 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: lot Oregon, but one thing that is exempt is UH 571 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: numbers on an I D badge. Um. So somebody thought 572 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: this through. Somebody who is really familiar with the public 573 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: records thought this through and said, Okay, if we use 574 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: the number from the I D badge as the cops 575 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: badge number, then if anybody asked for the list, we'll say, no, 576 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: those are secret numbers. That are you know, we have 577 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: to keep them secret for the for the cops protection, 578 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: which is nuts because they're wearing it out in public 579 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: on their chest. But but there's like no way to 580 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: trace it back in a digital form and no way 581 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: for us to for sure that's right. I assume they 582 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: have somewhat. The early marches had been absolutely enormous, but 583 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: almost everyone there fell into the simple category of protester. 584 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: There were some very overworked medics, but Portland's lacked the 585 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: sheer variety of specialties among the activists that allowed Hong 586 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: Kong's protest movement to persist for so long. That changed 587 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: over the first few weeks of the uprising, as people 588 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,959 Speaker 1: who never thought of themselves as particularly radical fell into 589 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: new rules. There were no longer just street medics, but 590 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: shield bearing front liners, people armed with traffic cones and 591 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: water to douse tear gas. Other activists provided food and equipment, 592 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: and a handful of Portlanders began learning the trade of 593 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: the conflict journalist, while Portland's professional press got used to 594 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: packing body armor alongside their camera notebook. As an any 595 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: mass movement, there was bound to be disagreements and in fighting. 596 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: People had different opinions on everything from looting to dumpster fires, 597 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: to how much fence shaking was acceptable, and the usefulness 598 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: of large marches that stayed completely peaceful. Despite those differences, 599 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: people did keep coming out day after day, night after night, 600 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: for the entire first half of June. Some of those 601 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: people are still coming out even now. Yeah, I was 602 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: six kind of personally expecting just for people just to 603 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: be maybe be protesting a week to you know, not 604 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: not much, and then you know, quote unquote back to 605 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: normal life. But you know, yeah, and then it's been 606 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: now five months, um at it. So yeah, and I 607 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: kept going because my I just felt really strongly to 608 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: keep going, and especially with um what I was doing, 609 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: um as for photographing at all. I just had this 610 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: passion that I was like, Okay, I gotta keep going. 611 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, I've I haven't stopped. As June wore on, 612 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: the number of people out at nightly demonstrations began to drop. 613 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: Crowds of thousands became crowds of hundreds. A certain mania 614 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: took over the increasingly hardened core of the Portland BLM movement, 615 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: who seems to feel the need to confront police every 616 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: single night without pause. It exhausted many protesters and journalists. 617 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: Cosca describes the feeling, well, um, yeah, I mean it 618 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: was it was every night, and it was it was 619 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: non stop. And I remember once, um when they when 620 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 1: they when they had the double fences up in front 621 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: of the Justice Center. I remember when some people walking 622 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: away from it and they were telling me that the 623 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: protest was canceled, and I said, there's no such things 624 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: canceling this. I was like this to me, I was 625 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: I even said it on one of my videos and 626 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: sound kind of cheesy, but I was like, this feels 627 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: like the energy for this rebellion is coming from some 628 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: some unknown place. Like like I said, it's felt almost 629 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: supernatural because it was pushing people be on their human limits. 630 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: Like for me, I'm not the kind of person that will, 631 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, interrupt my sleep schedule for almost anything. But 632 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: I didn't really sleep or eat or drink as you're 633 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: supposed to do for almost two months because I was 634 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: so wrapped up in yeah, what was happening. And then 635 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know that for a while. I didn't know 636 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: that other cities were still protesting for a long time 637 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't even have time to check 638 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: the news because it would take me. You know, since 639 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm older, it takes me longer to recover from that 640 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: of the whole you know what, I would be recovering 641 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: the whole time, not protesting while I was not protesting, 642 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: to be recovering from protesting, that pretty much all I 643 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: did for almost two months. Looking back on the early 644 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: days of the uprising, you can see all the little 645 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: things that happened in order to transform this into more 646 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: than just a regular protest. Every day. The brutality from 647 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: the previous night rekindled people's desire for change. Repeated tear 648 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: gassings forced the crowd to get good at reforming after 649 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: being dispersed. As the days turned into weeks, protesters started 650 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: mirroring Hong Kong tactics. More and more established activist groups 651 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: provided support for new activists with new ideas. On June, 652 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: inspired by Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, Portland protesters announced 653 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: plans for an autonomous zone of their own. This a 654 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,959 Speaker 1: Z was limited to a single city block in front 655 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: of Mayor Ted Wheeler's luxury condo, where protesters set up tents, 656 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: ate pizza, and played dance music late into the night. 657 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: The Portland police ousted the occupation early the following morning, 658 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: but protesters were clearly learning valuable lessons. Drinks, pizza, medical support, 659 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and a speaker system arrived within the first hour of 660 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: the occupation. Barricades went up soon after, followed by the 661 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: arrival of the Autonomous zones very own porta potty. By 662 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: the time the police swept through in the early morning, 663 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: a surprising amount of infrastructure had been set down in 664 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: a very short amount of time. That action ultimately failed, 665 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: but as protests continued through the city, infrastructure would spring 666 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: up again and again. Throughout the first half of June. 667 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: A framework was put in place that would transform Portland's 668 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests into a movement that could hold 669 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: on and dig in for more than half a year. 670 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: Uh where the grandpops who couldn't fathom the obamasist and 671 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't hate America just to me, and she keeps 672 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: the promises twenty teens looking like the sixties. It's crazy, 673 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: a nationwide deja wo what my people post to do? 674 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,479 Speaker 1: Go to schools named after the clan founder we're around town? 675 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: Is I don't see why we're frowning Native American students 676 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: wants to learn about when opebah Sarah? How is that fair? Bro? 677 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: Some eros unsung in some monster's get monuments built for them. 678 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: But it ain't be all a little bit of monster. 679 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: We crook it. Man, your heroes are worthless and man 680 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: can show private only God gives purpose you crooked. 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