1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Wanted Less Nap. He's getting mortally if we move quickly 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: to send Ukraine significant amounts of weapons and ammunition so 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: that they can repel Russia's aggressions. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Policy and Perspective from DC's top names. You can only 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: blame putin so far. Yes, oil prices did rise after 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: the invasion, but inflation impacts more than oil. I look 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: forward to the journey ahead. You are the world's best 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: coast guard. I am honored and humbled to serve alongside you. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Biden has a change of heart and will send long 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: range rockets to Ukraine with some of the toughest fighting ahead. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics. Is the administration ups, 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: the anti and the dun Boss. We're going to talk 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: about the political and military implications with defense policy expert 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Nora Bence, a Hell Senior Fellow of the Merrill Center 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Later the 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: clock ticks on talks over gun safety legislation. We don't 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: have many days left for compromise. Here, we're gonna look 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: at where things stand as lawmakers work on this from home. 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Government's Jack Fitzpatrick will be with us a bit 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: later our panel today. Bloomberg Politics contributor Genie Schanzano is 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: with us, and we'll have insights as well from Lester Months. 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: In principle at b g R Group, we're following several 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: developing storylines from Washington and from Ukraine, beginning with the 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: rockets the missiles that we've been hearing about. It was 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: only two days ago. I don't know if we can 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: get this, if we can dig down just a little 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: bit here, uh for the cut of President Biden in 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: the driveway at the White House. This was two days 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: ago when he was referring to this request by President 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Zelenski for multiple launch rocket systems a nonstarter, as he 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: said at the time, he was speaking with reporters on 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: the rope line, Sebastian, if you have that from Joe 35 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Biden or here he is at the White House, We're 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: not going to send you your krain rockists could let 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: me strive into Russias. Okay. Less than forty eight hours later, 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: the missiles are on the way. President Biden spells out 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: the rationale in an op ed from The New York Times. 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Everyone's been talking about this today, so Ukraine can, as 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: he said, quote be in the strongest possible position at 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: the negotiating table unquote, that's the way we're going to 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: get this now. Secretary of State Anthony blinkoln reinforced that 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: very message today at the State Department. Here he is 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: this is a continuation of a strategy that began even 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: before Russia's invasion. We moved quickly to send Ukraine significant 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: amounts of weapons and ammunition so that they can repel 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: Russia's aggression and in turn can be in the strongest 49 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: possible position, the strongest possible position in turn at the 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: negotiating table. This all after President Zelenski said that's how 51 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: this war is going to end. Right. This is important, though, 52 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln says, after the initial hesitation to send those missiles, 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: President Zelenski has promised not to send them across the 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: border into Russia. Here's blinking again. The Ukrainians have given 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: us assurances that they will not use these systems against 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: targets on Russian territory. UH, there is a strong trust 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: bond between Ukraine and the United States as well as 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: with our allives and partners. Interesting wrinkle. I guess that's 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: what unlocked the rockets. Now the UK is also asking 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: if we can help them send similar weapons to Ukraine 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: MLRS systems here and as we put together this latest 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: weaponship and now the Turks apparently now opening a lane 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: possible for grain to get out of Ukraine. Wheat and 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Chicago fell by the most amount allowed after Turkey discussed 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: plans to help ensure Ukrainian exports of grain in the 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Black Sea. This would be a very very very good 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: development here, important development for the world as we talk 68 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: about possible food shortages coming. So let's get into all 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: of this. Nora bens a Hell is with US, an 70 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: expert on defense policy, visiting professors to Tegic studies and 71 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: senior fellow the Meryl Center at Johns Hopkins School of 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Advanced International Studies. This is who we need to talk 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: to now. Nor A welcome. What change President Biden's minds 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: on these missiles and what will they mean for Ukraine. Well, 75 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: they do mean that Ukraine will be able to target 76 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: uh Russian forces at greater distances within Ukraine. UM, but 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that these are not 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the longest range possible missiles that the US could be 79 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: giving Ukraine. The types of missiles that we're talking about 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: here have a range of about forty eight miles, which 81 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: is significant um but apparently Zelinsky had requested missile systems 82 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: that go up to seventy five miles, which I think 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: the Biden administration calculated would be seen as too provocative 84 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: against Russia, despite the assurances that Zelinski has given that 85 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: they won't be used to target Russian territory. So they 86 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of thread the needle here on this one. It's 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: it's it's the same weapons system, but missiles that don't 88 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: go quite as far it would be it would be 89 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: more difficult for Ukraine to launch an attack into Russia 90 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: with thesis what you're saying, that's right, And I think 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: that the op ed that President Biden wrote is very 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: much targeted at Russia and providing some reassurance to Russia 93 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: by laying out very clearly what the United States will do, 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: which is send these advanced weapons and and help Ukraine 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: have the strongest military position so that it can uh 96 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: negotiate a settlement to the war. But that it also 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: says very clearly that the United States is not pursuing 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: regime change, is not going to directly threaten Putin's rule, 99 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: that U S troops will not be directly involved in 100 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: any attacks on on Russian forces, um and that the 101 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: United States is not telling Ukraine what to do or 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: not do to pressure Ukraine for some sort of territorial settlement. 103 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I was actually surprised with everything you just said that 104 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: he didn't write this earlier, because it is kind of 105 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: a roadmap. It's it's the rationale. He's laying out the 106 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: rationale here for and to your point, even Vladimir Putin 107 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: to read what look going to be giving them rockets 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: missiles that kill Russians in Ukraine. Granted that's not an 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: attack against Russia. They're still essentially defensive at that point, 110 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: But how is that different than the MiG twenty nine 111 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: that we didn't want to send for fear of escalating things. Well, 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: that's exactly it. It's the fear of escalating a war 113 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: where the United States is helping one side in a 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: conflict against a nuclear power that can do great damage 115 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: should it wish to against the United States. You don't 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: think these missiles are the rockets are as escalatory as 117 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: the MiGs would be. They found a way to do this, 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: if I'm reading you correctly, that does not escalate this war. 119 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: That's that's right. The thought of fighter jets that could 120 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: be over Russian territory, no matter what Zelinski's assurances are, 121 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: that they could be over Russian territory very quickly, would 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: inevitably be seen as escalatory by Putin. I think that 123 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: everything in this op ed are things that the administration 124 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: has been saying all along. They've been remarkably consistent. But 125 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: I think that the reason why the op ed was 126 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: published today is to further reduce the chance of inadvertent 127 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: escalation around the US decision to send these additional missiles 128 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. Is he right about the negotiating table that 129 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: this in fact will strengthen Ukraine's hand as opposed to 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: just maintaining an upper hand in this terrible war militarily. Well, 131 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the argument is that if the United States doesn't keep 132 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: helping Ukraine in terms of its defensive capabilities, that there's 133 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: actually a possibility that this wouldn't be settled at the 134 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: negotiating table, that it would be settled by Russia taking 135 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: over parts of Ukraine, right, that's the alternative to a 136 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: negotiated settlement. So when Budden talks about a negotiated settlement, 137 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: what he's talking about is, you know, to strengthen Ukraine 138 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: enough to defend itself so that there are eventually negotiations 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: over this, rather than Ukraine just being taken over by 140 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: Russian uh, you know, forces and Russian influence. We're seeing 141 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: really heavy fighting here in the dun Boss region and 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: it looks like that that it's possible Putin will be 143 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: able to cut off that area from the rest of Ukraine. 144 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if that brings anyone to the negotiating table. 145 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: It seems like President Zelenski has decided that he will 146 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: not negotiate any changing in borders or allowing Russia to 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: annex any any land. Well, these missiles then helped to 148 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: keep the done Buss as a part of Ukraine. That's 149 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: the hope, um, you know, But there are other dynamics 150 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: on the battlefield that that may help just as much. 151 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Putin's forces have suffered tremendous losses in the past three months. 152 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: They're not as organized as everyone thought they would be. 153 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: And even though after they pulled out of the fight 154 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: for Kia of the capital. You know, as even including myself, 155 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: thought that Russia would have an easier time in the east, 156 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: and they're not having an easier time. They're they're having 157 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: to fight quite a lot. And what Ukraine is trying 158 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: to do is now split the forces that Russia has 159 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: in that area, even though they are continuing to UH 160 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: to pummel the area's uh you know that you've been 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: talking about in the several donyetsk Uh part of the 162 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: of the country. The Ukrainians are starting to push back 163 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: against the Russians in Kharkiv, which would split Russian forces. 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: If the Russians have to send more forces there to 165 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: help UH put down Ukrainian resistance, they're going to have 166 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: fewer forces for the battles you were just mentioning that 167 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: are going on today. So there's lots of different things. 168 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: It's a very dynamic battlefield. The Ukrainians are are faring 169 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: surprisingly well, but at the end of the day, you know, 170 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: the Russian military is very powerful, even if they're they're 171 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: struggling mightily, and this decision to send the additional missiles 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: to Ukraine is clearly the Biden administration trying to help 173 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians with this fight as much as they can. 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: What does it tell you about the timeline as well? 175 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: We're reporting at Bloomberg that these missile systems will require 176 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: three weeks of training. First you have to get them there. 177 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: Then we have to train at least enough Ukrainians to 178 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: train the rest of the Ukrainian military on this. If 179 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: if we're digging in our feels like this, we're we're 180 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: giving them the longer range rockets that they're asking for, 181 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: realizing there's still even longer range rockets available. Does this 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: tell you that that we're expecting months more of fighting, Nora, Well, 183 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: it certainly means we're expecting more than three weeks of fighting. 184 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: This war is not going to be over any time soon. Um. 185 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, ultimately a decision on when to stop, we'll 186 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: have to be made by the you know, by puttin 187 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: himself really, um, you know, when he decides, uh that 188 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: that's you know, what he needs to do. But I 189 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: do think that this this war is not going to 190 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: end soon. Um, you know, I don't know exactly what's 191 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: going to happen on the battlefield. Again, the Ukrainians are 192 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: are continuing to do better than many would have thought 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: against uh in territory where the Russian military would have 194 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: seemed to have a lot of advantages. Um, but you know, 195 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: a lot can happen, and uh, you know, unexpected things 196 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: are happening every day, So we'll see as it continues 197 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: to progress. Nora Ben a hell great conversation, and thanks 198 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: for your insights. Defense policy expert, author, visiting professor of 199 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Strategic Studies, Senior Fellow the Merrow Center at Johns Hopkins 200 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: School of Advanced International Studies. We wanted to get a 201 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: real expert on this to understand because you're hearing people 202 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: interchange the words missiles and rockets. You're hearing people talk 203 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: about long range when it's actually not as long arrange 204 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: as they might have suggested to begin with. That's why 205 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: we bring you voices like Nora and why we'll assemble 206 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: the panel. Next. Genie is with us Genie Chanzano, Bloomberg 207 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: Politics contributor, with another expert on foreign policy as well, 208 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Lester Monson is back with us of the Government Relations 209 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: from b GR Group, former staff director the Senate Foreign 210 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Relations Committee. As we get into the talks here of 211 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: not just the next weapons package but whether there might 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: be another layer of sanctions coming from Washington. That's all 213 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: ahead on the fastest hour in politics. Will check markets 214 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: traffic on the way. Thanks for joining us. The panels 215 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: up next. I'm Joe Matthew at World Headquarters in New York. 216 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. H This is Bloomberg Sound on with 217 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So the rockets are on 218 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the way to Ukraine and the messaging from Washington targeted 219 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: straight at Vladimir Putin. You heard Anthony B. Lincoln a 220 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: short time ago on the broadcast. He was joined at 221 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: the State Department today by Yan Stoltenberg of NATO, who 222 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: was just ready to poke Putin in the eye. Listened 223 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: to him. Preston. Putin wanted less NATAL. He's getting more nakel, 224 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: more troops and more NATAL members, referring of course to 225 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: Finland and Sweden. He's getting more NATO. As we assemble 226 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the panel, Genie is whether us Genie Chancey no Democratic 227 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: analyst Bloomberg Politics contribute or today Joined by Lester Months 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: and principle at Government pr from b g R Group, 229 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: Government relations firm, and former staff director the Senate Foreign 230 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: Relations Committee, it's great to have both of you with us. 231 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: What do you think, Genie, we had we had the 232 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: story just yesterday that we were not going to be 233 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: sending long range missiles. Now we're sending apparently medium me 234 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: range missiles rockets the term we should be using in 235 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: this case. These are mobile weapons systems that I don't 236 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: think we'd be giving them if that fight wasn't about 237 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: to get a lot tougher in the dune? Boss, What 238 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: do you make about the change of heart? Yeah, I 239 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: mean a bit of whiplash in terms of the messaging 240 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: on this which has become par for the course and 241 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: foreign policy which with this administration, and something we're seeing 242 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: at least leaked out that Biden is frustrated with, although 243 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: he's you know, obviously responsible in large part four that said, 244 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely important to say that this is 245 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: being done. The weapons from Germany from the United States, 246 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: even though he said we wouldn't give these is because 247 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: of the timeline here. You know, a NATO realized is 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: that the clock is ticking that Ukraine needs to get 249 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: Russia to the negotiating table, and they need to do 250 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: it in a good position, and they need to do 251 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: it now and this is intended to try to push 252 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: them into that. The question is is it going to work? 253 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: So I think I would add to Stoltenberg's great quote, 254 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: they're more troops, more you know, more NATO and more 255 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: weapons to get Russia to the negotiating table. But you know, 256 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: there's no you know, there's no promise that that's going 257 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: to happen. But that is the goal here. The messaging, 258 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: though from a domestic policy perspective, remains a problem. Lester, 259 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Is Vladimir Putin moved by this or is this just 260 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: more of the same. Is this escalatory or not? H 261 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: unclear exactly what Vladimir Putin thinks about anything. Uh he 262 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: He and his minions like to push back, uh and 263 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: make threats all of the time. Uh. Some of them, 264 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, are are never realized. I think it's notable. 265 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: You know, the President had an op ed in the 266 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: New York Times today, Yeah, best ways out this, Yeah, 267 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: that lays out this this policy, and it's there's some 268 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: very precise language that I'm not sure is a is 269 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: a big departure from what was said previously. Uh. He 270 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: says that this will enable the Ukrainians two more precisely 271 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: strike key targets on the battlefield in Ukraine. Uh, that's significant. 272 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure. This is definitely a messaging issue, 273 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: and the and the White House has been set by this, 274 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: as Genie pointed out, so very deliberate in saying Ukraine 275 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to just blowing up targets. You know, maybe 276 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: they're on the other side of the border. That that 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: that part is important to you to see that in 278 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: the out ed exactly. And so how about the reference 279 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: to the negotiating table, lester that that's something we were 280 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: just talking about with Nora here, that that is in 281 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: fact the aim that that that we arm them to 282 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: have a better position at the negotiating table. Well, the 283 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: way to have a better position at the negotiating table 284 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: is to arm them with the things that they want 285 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: need and not to place artificial limits on them. Uh, 286 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: we want to, you want I think we still are. 287 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: You want the Ukrainians to negotiate from a position of strength, 288 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: not from a position of you know, one arm tied 289 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: behind their back. Yes, the administration has been forward leaning 290 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: generally in providing things to Ukrainians, but there are notable 291 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: exceptions to that They're not getting quite the long range 292 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: rocketry they want. They're not getting the aircraft that they want. 293 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: So the Biden administration has had some limits here and 294 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: that is clear. They're trying to articulate all of the 295 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: good things that they have done, but it's the things 296 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: that they haven't done that are so noticeable. As we 297 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: talk about another weapons package, the European Union GENIE is 298 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: trying to approve a sixth sanctions package. The debate is 299 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: ongoing because of Hungary, as we've noted here, asking for 300 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: for changes. There's always this seems to be an issue. 301 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Uh Is the United States done with sanctions? Is this 302 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: a conversation that we've moved on from in Congress? I 303 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: hate to say the answer sounds yes there, but even 304 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: the administration, the Treasure Department of have we sanctioned everything 305 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: we've got? You know, we have done a number of sanctions, 306 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: and so I think we will continue to do. If 307 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: there's any more that we could put on, we will 308 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: continue to do those. Um but I do think that 309 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: what we've done sanction wise has been effective. And you know, 310 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure to your point how much 311 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: more we can put into place, for you know, Hungary 312 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: remains an obstacle as as far as Europe is is concerned. 313 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: But you know, when you get to that op ed 314 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: by the President, the notable note there is that he 315 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: says strike targets in Ukraine and he's got you know, 316 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: Kiev as as promised that that's what they will do. 317 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: You know, this op ed reads to me more as 318 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: an OpEd to put and in Russia to assure them 319 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: we're not going to be active in in this war. 320 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: And yet at the same time we are executing offensive 321 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: operations when it comes to cyber in Russia. So how 322 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: is that not active in the war. And that's where 323 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: these mixed messages along with what you noted was his 324 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: message on the rope line because becomes a problem for 325 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: the U. S Well, it's true, we have less than 326 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: a minute here, Lester, but we know it's been widely 327 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: reported that we're giving them daily intelligence. What's more damaging 328 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, these these leaks from the administration are 329 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: very frustrating. I think the folks who are in or 330 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: were once in the national security community, this is not 331 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: this is not the way you run a policy. If 332 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: this is a shame on the administration. If this is 333 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: being done for short term political advantage. I hope that 334 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: is not the case. I hope there is a coherent 335 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: messaging strategy behind us, although I don't know what it is. Uh, 336 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: they really do need to do a better job on messaging. 337 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: That story from NBC yesterday abouts on the White Past 338 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: and the White House is is being born out again today. 339 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: Jennie and Lester with us our panel for the Wednesday 340 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: edition of sound On Live from New York. We're at 341 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: World Headquarters. I'm Joe Matthew and will bring in Jack 342 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick next as talks go on over gun safety laws. 343 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg broadcasting live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg 344 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: to New York, Bloomberg eleven, Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one, 345 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: O six one to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine six to 346 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the country, Serious x M General one, and around the globe, 347 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This 348 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew. The headline on 349 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: the terminal Democrats I swift GOP deal on gun, swift 350 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: being the key word. They're they're only really days left 351 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: to make this happen, and it's been over a week 352 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: since Vivaldi, A select group of senators continue telephone talks 353 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: this week as they're out of town, but we're going 354 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: to find out where they are next with Bloomberg Government's 355 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick. They're still talking about guns in the Senate. 356 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: Lawmakers are not in Washington. They've been on the phone, 357 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: they've been on zoom. The question is will anything come 358 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: from these conversations, remembering that Mitch McConnell himself gave the 359 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: green light to have Senator John Cornyn, Republican from Texas, 360 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: get on the horn with Chris Murphy, Democrat from Connecticut 361 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: and start hammering something out. Looks like a red flag 362 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: law is the most likely, and we need to be 363 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: careful here with you know, people are talking about gun controls. 364 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: It's really a gun safety law that that would be 365 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: most likely if anything happens. You know, we've done this before. 366 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer said when people come back, they start coming back. 367 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: Next week. Democrats are moving on, and that's why we 368 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: want to check in with Jack Fitzpatrick while there are 369 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: a couple of days left to see something happen here. 370 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Of course, Bloomberg Government reporter and a family member here 371 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: on sound on. Jack it's great to have you. Or 372 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: are these talks kind of fading out? We haven't heard 373 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of detail about them. I know there are 374 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: several different groups of senators though, who are engaged. Yeah, 375 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything regarding them fading out. We haven't 376 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: gotten details yet, but I don't anticipate that they're fading 377 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: out yet. For one, because the House can keep pressure 378 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: on them. You know, Democrats in the Senate have said, Okay, 379 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: we'll work with John on corn and we'll work with Republicans. 380 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: We can do something very narrowly tailored, even if we 381 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: think it's two weak. But then the House Democrats are 382 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: moving forward with their own Democratic bill that probably goes 383 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: beyond anything bipartisan. They're going to mark it up in 384 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: the House Judiciary Committee, uh, virtually tomorrow, So they're gonna 385 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: push push the envelope a little bit and try to 386 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: move legislation that would raise the age for semi automatic 387 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: rifle purchases from eighteen to twenty one. Uh. There are 388 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: other things, sort of more regulations applying to ghost guns, 389 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: a ban on bump stocks that would get further than 390 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: anything you could anticipate getting sixty votes in the Senate 391 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: but clearly it's enough of a priority now so that 392 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Democrats are pushing Republicans feel the need to at least 393 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: have this conversation in the Senate and see if there's 394 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: enough middle ground. Uh. And they're both kind of racing 395 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: to try to get something that could have a vote 396 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: as soon as next week. It's interesting all the things 397 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, ban on bumpst red flag law and 398 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: some of the other ideas have been actually approved on 399 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: the state level. And what about twenty states? Is was 400 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: I think nineteen was my count on on red flag laws. 401 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe more have have gone that far, but they've 402 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: managed to get bipartisan support on the state level. Jack, 403 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: what's so difficult in Washington with this, Well, it's hard 404 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: to describe exactly why it's so difficult in Washington, but 405 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: I would point out with that in mind, that the 406 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: conversations among Senators may actually revolve around state laws as 407 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: as contrary as that maybe to what you expect from Congress. 408 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: You know, some of the early feedback we got from 409 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: Republicans like Lindsay Graham was there could be some pushback 410 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: to a federal red flag law, but if they could 411 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: have a conversation about potentially incentivizing at the federal level 412 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: states to pass their own red flag flag laws. That 413 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: is something that would very likely get some Republican support. 414 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: So I mean, again, I'm describing very limited up that 415 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats would think are not far enough, 416 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: but they may have some opportunities to get a federal 417 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: state Uh. It's some interplay between the laws there where 418 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: they to some extent leave it to states, but intensivized 419 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: state action. Well, that's why I think we have to 420 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: be careful to you know, people talk about gun control laws, 421 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: it's not really what this is. These are gun safety laws, 422 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: and to your point, they might not even be on 423 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: the federal level. Raising the age to one Jack has 424 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: come up a lot. That's actually something that might have 425 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: stopped this individual, uh in Vivaldi from getting those those 426 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: two a R fifteens. A lot of these other ideas 427 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: would not likely stop some of the more recent mass shootings. 428 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: But that's a non starter in the Senate. Right, nobody's 429 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: going near that. Nobody endorsed by the n r A 430 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: is raising an age to twenty one. You know, I 431 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: don't know if we can say there's a one chance 432 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: of that failing, but there is some skepticism. Um, some 433 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: of our colleagues heard actually, you know, Adam Kinzinger, for example, 434 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: a Republican who increasing disagrees with his own party, went 435 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: on ABC and said, you know, something like raising the 436 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: age from eighteen to twenty one should be a no brainer, 437 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: but it's it's not clear if there'd be support. There's 438 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: been enough pushback from Republicans, so that seems like a 439 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: heavier lift than the red flag law issue. Um, they 440 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: have to have the conversation. It's something that they that 441 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: has been brought up enough. But you're right to definitely 442 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: classify the twenty one year old age being lifted. There 443 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: is something that's that's the difficult one. Would this be 444 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: a different conversation if we were not in a mid 445 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: term cycle this close to November, or any election year 446 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: this close to November? Or are we just reminding ourselves 447 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: of of how entrenched so many members are when it 448 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: comes to the gun issue. You know, I I don't 449 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: think I would necessarily put it that way. For one, 450 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: you're seeing lawmakers sort of drop the pretenses that they 451 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: can get everything they want, and they're not yet using 452 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: this entire as a wedge issue. It may be smarter 453 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: for maybe some Democrats to push something really ambitious and 454 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: then hold it over Republicans when they block it, and 455 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: use that as a wedge issue and campaign on that. 456 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: Uh And and who knows what federal Rourke would do 457 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: with that, as someone who's on the campaign trail really 458 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: hyping this up, not that he's a member currently, but 459 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: they're they're clearly at least willing to have a conversation 460 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: about making major concessions to each other and finding limited 461 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: middle ground. That's not always a great thing to campaign on, 462 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: but for one reason or another, they have this group 463 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: of senators. At least I said, all right, we're gonna 464 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of set the politics aside a little bit and 465 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: maybe take a baby step forward on Actually I'm heartened 466 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: by this. This is great. You know, Rick Davis, who 467 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: is of course on most days with us here on 468 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: sound On, has been striking a very similar tone Jack 469 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: that that that that people should not assume that this 470 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: is going to go like it has so many times 471 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: over again. But I'll ask you lastly about the timeline. 472 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: Once Chuck Schumer decides, hey, we're just going for this 473 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: with Democrats, then I assume that means talks have ended. 474 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: How much time does he give this? Uh, they are rushing. 475 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean the last we heard from Chris Murphy was 476 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: that they are trying to get something to be prepared 477 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: shortly after Congress comes back next week. They know they've 478 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: got a short time frame. They know that the political 479 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: pressure can wane as as the calendar days are ticked off. 480 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: So if this takes too long, You're right, it is 481 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: possible that we could see this fall back into partisanship 482 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: and maybe a show of vote. But the bipartisan group 483 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: is very much working understanding that they are on a deadline, 484 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: trying to get something potentially for next week. The latest 485 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: on this from Capitol Hill and our friend Jack Fitzpatrick, 486 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: our colleague at Bloomberg Governments, where he writes the Budget 487 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: Briefing newsletter each morning. I highly suggest that you subscribe 488 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: to it while you're looking at the terminal right now, 489 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: will reassemble the panel next, Lester and Genie coming back 490 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: in is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg So long with Joe 491 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. You know, every time I've throwne 492 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: some skepticism at the whole gun law story over the 493 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: last week, someone has stepped in on this program to 494 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: disagree with me. Rick Davis, now Jack Fitzpatrick today, a 495 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: couple of our guests, most recently telling me, No, it 496 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: feels different this time. Let's see how the panel feels 497 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: about it. I think I know where Genie is on this. 498 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: Genie Chanzano, Bloomberg contributor and of course Democratic analysts. Joined 499 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: to day by Lester Monthson, b GR Group, former staff 500 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: director the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Uh do you feel 501 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: the same way, Gennie. I know that you have been 502 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: uh a bit shy to kind of lean into this 503 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: idea of reform happening, even if it is a red 504 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: flag law or maybe biting around the edges here, but 505 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: something happening. The fact that talks are still taking place 506 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: a week later, what does that tell you? I will 507 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: tell you why I remain a skeptic and I like 508 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: the idea of lean in with Cheryl Sandberg News Today. 509 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm look while you were talking to Jack, 510 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: I was listening intently, and I was looking at the 511 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: congressional calendar. Twenty four. They have twenty four days left 512 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: in session before they go out for the summer, and 513 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: Labor Day is when they come back, and that is it. 514 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: They will do three weeks. Those are uh, those are 515 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: four day weeks from June, go out for the fourth 516 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: back for three more weeks, and they'll be out for 517 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: the rest of the summer. It is really difficult for 518 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: me to imagine that they get comprehensive and I like 519 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: your use of the term gun safety legislation. Could they 520 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: get incremental steps forward? Absolutely if you want, if you 521 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: want me to be optimistic on incremental, I will try 522 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: to get there with Jack and Rick and everyone else. 523 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: But I remain a skeptic. Maybe incremental, but that's going 524 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: to be at the action we see usually and historically 525 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: is at the state level, and that's where people should 526 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: focus their attention. Well, is that how this ends? Is 527 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: it a state level conversation lest or is there going 528 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: to be you know, a corn In Murphy bill that 529 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: gets a name and gets a vote. Well, gosh, I do. 530 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: I do hope there is some progress here and that 531 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: the two sides can uh kind of you know, ignore 532 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: the temptation to engage in rhetoric and maybe try and 533 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: get something done that would would have a positive impact 534 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: on the situation. Are you optimistical? I'm I'm not super optimistic. 535 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: I think for Republicans, um the you know, it's I 536 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: don't even want to say it out loud, but the 537 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: the political risk for them is is significant. They don't 538 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: want to lose the chance to take over in the fall. 539 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: That's very it's a very cynical view. I hope, I 540 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: hope that isn't their view. But it's as Genie was saying, 541 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of time left. It's a really 542 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: is a really tough issue. I mean, and I'm not 543 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: laying this on members of Congress. Necessarily, voters feel this 544 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: way also, and it's there's a direct line from voter 545 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: support for unfettered access to guns to the way people 546 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: vote in Congress has been for decades. So I just 547 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: I do think we need to be very realistic about 548 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: about what could happen. What is realistic as is what 549 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: Jack described you as a red not a red flag law, 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: but an incentive law for states. Is that something that 551 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: they could say, hey, we agreed and we passed a bill. 552 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: Uh that that seems plausible to me if it's seen 553 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: as kind of an indirect move and that's the bare minimum, right, well, 554 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: the bare minimum is nothing they they This would be 555 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: a step. Joe Biden, Um, you know, has been willing 556 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: to support compromises in the past with folks who disagreed 557 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: with so I think you'd get the White House to 558 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: go along with it. You know, you could. A little 559 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: bit of leadership from there would be helpful. It's not impossible. 560 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: How much time do you give them, Genie, you talk 561 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: about optimism, skepticism, the fact of the matter, or is 562 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: there's no time. You started with the timeline here, but 563 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: there's even less actually, because Chuck Schumer said, if you 564 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: guys come back, you don't have anything figured out. We're 565 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: moving ahead without you. The House is marking up a 566 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: bill this week as you know, uh, the trains about 567 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: to leave the station. It is, you know, I gave 568 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: him about a week maybe two when they come back, 569 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: and then Democrats are going to have to push for 570 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: that vote, which would be, you know, just a vote 571 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: to get people on the record. And while everyone else 572 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: in the world was going out this weekend and watching 573 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: Top Gun, which I've still not seen. I'm embarrassed to say, 574 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: I was home watching the Sunday shows. And let me 575 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: just tell you, not one Republican from the Senate was 576 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: willing to go out, and not just because it was 577 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: Memorial Day, but to talk on the Sunday shows about this. 578 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: They couldn't book any not even corner Dan Crenshaw did 579 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: go out, and what did he say. He opposes red 580 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: flag laws, he opposes raising the age to twenty one, 581 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: He opposes closing the gun show loophole. He was the 582 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: one who was brave enough to go out there, and 583 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: he opposed most of what he was being asked about. 584 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: Adam Kin Singer who Jack even mention and said he 585 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't support an all out a ban on 586 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: assault weapons. So that's where Republicans are. And look at 587 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: the ads going out for this primary season from Republicans. 588 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: Many of them show people with holsters, guns, all this 589 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So you know, this is where we are. 590 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: It's a campaign season. Really hard to imagine we get 591 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: any kind of comprehensive bill out of the Congress at 592 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: the federal level. Yeah, and of course we just saw, 593 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: you know this, this very strong victory for Governor Kemp 594 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: in Georgia in the primary. We played the ad for 595 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: you as he sat there with the kid pretending to 596 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: be I guess an actor is his his daughter's boyfriend. 597 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: He's got the shotgun and all the pistols lined up 598 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: on the on the table there, Lester, this does get 599 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: people elected. Would would this jeopardize you you went there 600 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: just for a second with this jeopardize Republicans chances of 601 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: taking the majority? If there was in fact a meaningful 602 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: deal on guns. Yeah, if it's if it's something really 603 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: big and Republican voters would stay home in that case. Yeah, 604 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: And remember this, this is an off your election, So 605 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: you're you're talking to highly motivated voters. You're not you know, 606 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: the turnout is not going to be in all likelihood 607 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: what it would be in a presidential year. So you're 608 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: talking to the most motivated voters. For Republicans, that's going 609 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: to be people who are very much in favor of 610 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: gun rights. Uh. For Democrats, you know, the opposite. So 611 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: they're like, it's this is a this is going to 612 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: be a superpartisan issue. It can't help but be that. 613 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: So so I think I think Genie's right, Um, it's this. 614 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: This is going to be very very difficult. You know, 615 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: I started, I came into this conversation trying to be optimistic. 616 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: You guys are really bringing me down here. Did you 617 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: see top Gun? Lester? I did. It is terrific. Knew 618 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: he was going to say that it should go. Here's 619 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the plot. Uh, they feel the need for speed and 620 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: then they go into the danger zone. Very well done. 621 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for spoiling that for me. So it was a remake, 622 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: is what you're seeing. We're gonna ask you this because 623 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: we're waiting for Genie. We're not allowed to talk about 624 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: it until Genie sees this movie here. We're gonna have 625 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: to get through it a celebrity screening or something. Genie will, oh, 626 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: let's let's have you interview Tom Cruise, let me show up. 627 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: I'll have watched it. Let's have them book that and 628 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: I'll be so excelled. He's a pretty big fan of 629 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: this program. I understand. That's right, big big subscriber to 630 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: the podcast. Uh. You mentioned Cheryl Sandberg, Genie, And while 631 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: we have Genie and Lester here, I want to get 632 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: to another story that no one is talking about. Not 633 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: the Cheryl Sandberg story. My god, everyone is thanks to Bloomberg. 634 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: You did hear about this that. I'm just gonna call 635 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: it Facebook for the sake of being old. Facebook's Cheryl 636 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: Sandberg who became one of the most recognized figures in 637 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: global business, is stepping down. Fifty two years old. Stays 638 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 1: on the board, but it's going to go into philanthropic work. 639 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: As you know, I suppose anybody with that level of 640 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: success might consider doing. But you know who we're not 641 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: talking about today. Let's fire the music, Sebastian, Crank that 642 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: thing up. The Color Guard. This was a major presidential 643 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: event today. The new Coastguard chief, the first woman to 644 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: lead a service branch of the United States Military. Perfect job, 645 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: Admiral Linda Fagan sworn in today. It's the new commandant 646 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: of the US Coastguard, first female service chief in the 647 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: US Armed Forces. She spoke after the President did here 648 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: she is, I look forward to the journey ahead. I'm 649 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: maternally optimistic about the future of the service. You are 650 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: the world's best Coastguard. I am honored and humbled to 651 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: serve alongside you as we look to the future. Pretty cool. 652 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: You can read all about it on the terminal. Bloomberg 653 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: has a story. It's about time, said Joe Biden. Fagan 654 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: has served on all seven continents over thirty six years 655 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: in the Coastguard. I didn't even know you could do 656 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: that in the Coastguard. She began her career as the 657 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: only woman crew member of an icebreaker called the Polar Star, 658 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: eventually rising to serve as vice commandant of the Coastguard, 659 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: and now she runs the whole place. Pretty good story, 660 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: Jeannie Chanzano. That's not going to get a lot of 661 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: news today, but it should. It should, And what an icebreaker. 662 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: She was doing it before and she's doing it now. 663 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: I love this story. I was just saying, she graduated 664 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: from the Coast Guard Academy, that was the sixth class 665 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: that they included women in, and look where she is now. 666 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: It's quite an amazing story. I'm so happy you mentioned this, 667 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: And congratulations to Cheryl Sandberg on amazing career, which I'm 668 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: sure we'll continue young. But what a day for women. 669 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: Not so much amber heard, but I won't go there. 670 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was going to say at the top 671 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: of this is a Johnny Depp amber Heard free zone, 672 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: but I'm sorry, Jeannie just blew it. No, that's okay, 673 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: lester Um, What does this say about the American military? 674 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: I think it's it's terrific news. Who doesn't think so? 675 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Coast Guard is very important to US national security. The Arctic, 676 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: increasingly an important issue because of global warming and hostile 677 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: Russia is largely in the purview of the Coast Guard. 678 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: To think the first female service chief of the U. 679 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: S arm Services would not emerge until the year two though, 680 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: isn't that something? Well, that's fair enough, Leicester, thanks for 681 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: being with us, Genie. You two you can go to 682 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: the movies now, Genie, for you to talk to Tom 683 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: Cruise and then I'm gonna go now. I'll see I'll 684 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: see it. I'll see it today. Wow. Jeez. Yeah, I'm 685 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: sorry for all the pressure, but you know, we've got 686 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: to talk about it with Rick when he gets back. 687 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: I think that's tomorrow. By the way, Genie will be 688 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: here Rick Davis as well. Our panel on sound On 689 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: for tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew at World Headquarters in New 690 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: York and a big thanks to everybody for coming in, 691 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: not just our panel, but of course Jack Fitzpatrick and 692 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: Nora ben sa hell with us to talk about the 693 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: situation in Ukraine. The missiles are on the way. Stay 694 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: with us for more on that meta story, and of 695 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: course all the rest of the news driving markets here 696 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: and we'll check traffic for you on the way home, 697 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: as well the fastest hour in politics. Don't forget to 698 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast if he showed up late. This 699 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: is sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg.