WEBVTT - Fungus Among Us: The Science and Hype Behind Mushrooms - Lab 102

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<v Speaker 1>All right, the Last of Us just wrapped in. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't impressed to nothing me either.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did not think it was as interesting or

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<v Speaker 2>as gripping as the previous seasons. I was very bored, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the only takeaway was that I was

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<v Speaker 1>sideye in the oyster mushrooms at the Farmer's market and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, listen, this is the first season of the

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<v Speaker 2>Last of Us. We've been needing to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, because did I tell you I am taking

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<v Speaker 2>a mushroom supplement. I'm taking Lion's main mushroom girl.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean nothing wrong with it. Do you feel okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel I mean, you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like all in my mind or if it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually doing something because I took it because I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to like make sure that I wasn't like having so

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<v Speaker 2>much brain fog and stuff like that. Okay, so to

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<v Speaker 2>help me focus, and I think it's going okay. I

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<v Speaker 2>am not sure if it's doing anything, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I haven't been focused.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, long as you're not clicking like on

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<v Speaker 1>the Last of Us, we're good. We're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is Dope Labs. Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that mixes hardcore science with pop culture and a healthy

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<v Speaker 2>dose of friendship. All Right, I think we already know

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<v Speaker 2>funger everywhere. Yes, that is one of the first things

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<v Speaker 2>that we know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know just from a little bit of microbiology background.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to learn a little bit about fungus, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know they have these like vast underground networks. They

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<v Speaker 1>live on our skin and our guts, and they can

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<v Speaker 1>even be spores in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a biology background, so I know nothing

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<v Speaker 2>of those things. But I do know the pop culture,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that everyone is obsessed. HBO's the Last of Us,

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<v Speaker 2>put Cordyceps on the center stage, and TikTok Wellness keeps

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<v Speaker 2>pushing lines made lattes and creams and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, I had a mushroom beer the other day. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean mushroom root beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there's mushroom coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there is also foraging for mushrooms is booming.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, absolutely Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's one thing to id birds. That's

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not gonna eat them. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I can I d mushrooms?

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<v Speaker 2>You well, the only bird I mean is chicken. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>oh in those quail eggs. We won't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're eating turkey, girl, What are you told?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I do eat turkey? Okay, So you know these

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<v Speaker 2>these animals just don't register my mind when I'm eating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Peter thinking about the mushrooms and fun guy, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I want to know is which parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cordyceps horror are rooted in like real actual

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<v Speaker 2>mushrooms science, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, where does the science separate from the fiction?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Where is the line between the sigh and the five?

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<v Speaker 2>That whole show.

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<v Speaker 1>Made me so nervous and I want to know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Marketer's dream. Okay, I'll try it.

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<v Speaker 2>All.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these mushroom coffees and tinctures and brain elixers, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things to help lift the fog? Are they legit or

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<v Speaker 1>are they just clever marketing?

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah? I mean if we take it a step further,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, how do fungi affect us every day? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How does it? How does it impact our well being

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<v Speaker 2>and like our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think it's pretty clear today we're diving

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<v Speaker 1>into fungui, those mysterious little things. And I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>like Mario Brothers little you know, Tolstool. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>things that are in our food, under our feet and

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<v Speaker 1>on the last of us, controlling dead people. So we

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<v Speaker 1>went to an expert in fungui and in foraging for

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<v Speaker 1>fungui too.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Darling Go and you know I would

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<v Speaker 3>say that first and foremost, I am a scientist. I

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<v Speaker 3>do study and I major in data science at Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>State University and so Apart from being a full time student,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also a park ranger at the Arabia Mountain National

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<v Speaker 3>Heritage Area. I am the founder of Hikes of Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>as well Hikes of Georgia as an educational and science

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<v Speaker 3>based organization that's really meant to educate people on the

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<v Speaker 3>study of fungi and mold as well as just general

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<v Speaker 3>nature knowledge and you know, helping our community become better

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<v Speaker 3>stewards of our land, because if not us, who will awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>From park ranger to data scientists, you're connecting the dots

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<v Speaker 2>between nature and technology and that is really really cool

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<v Speaker 2>and we're really excited to have you. Okay, So my

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<v Speaker 2>question is is that we want to break down mycology

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<v Speaker 2>for our audience. What does the word mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Mycology works from es centrally just a study of fungi,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fungi comes from the micopart and so the

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<v Speaker 3>ology we would know as generally being attributed to fields

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<v Speaker 3>of study. When we think of the word mushroom and

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<v Speaker 3>we think of the word fung gui, they can be synonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>But technically the fung guy is the body.

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<v Speaker 1>So we know the fruiting body that we typically see

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<v Speaker 1>or we think of having that top and stem, that

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<v Speaker 1>is what we typically call a mushroom. But there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much more that you mentioned where the fun guy are

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<v Speaker 1>growing underground, and sometimes there are things that we can't

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<v Speaker 1>even see. I can remember growing up thinking about fung

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<v Speaker 1>guy as decomposers, like they help stuff go away, or

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<v Speaker 1>when wood is rotting, you're gonna see mushrooms there. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, and as I've grown, I've learned more. I

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<v Speaker 1>think about the micro rhizal networks and I think they

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<v Speaker 1>don't get enough credit. You know, I'm all about giving

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<v Speaker 1>credit whorres to. But I feel like they don't get

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<v Speaker 1>enough credit. Yeah, so I want to tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about these networks. It help us imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>would our force look like without those fun guy in

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<v Speaker 1>the mix, because I think we don't really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Y's right, absolutely, it's a wonderful question. By the way, Zakia,

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<v Speaker 3>this opens up a whole You know, we can get

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<v Speaker 3>very abstract here, but let's start very low level and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll work our way up. There are three main categories.

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<v Speaker 3>Off mushrooms or a fun guy. One of the main

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<v Speaker 3>categories which are the saprophetic mushrooms. Saprophetic mushrooms, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>the technical term for a decomposer, right, okay, And primarily

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<v Speaker 3>a cool thing about them is usually on your hikes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be one of the more popular

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<v Speaker 3>categories of mushrooms that you come across, because decomposition is

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<v Speaker 3>always occurring in the ecosystem. And then we have another

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<v Speaker 3>minor category with the smallest category would be the parasitic mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>They have their own important ecological functions. For example, if

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<v Speaker 3>there was a subset of an ecosystem of trees and

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<v Speaker 3>an ecosystem that was already susceptible to a given disease.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a compromisation by these parasitic fungi a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is generally what sort of trees. These parasitic

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<v Speaker 3>fungi will prey on organisms that are already susceptible, and

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes this parasitic fungui could easily mitigate the spread of

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<v Speaker 3>disease to the greater population of the ecosystem. So exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>although they're pretty gnarly right in nature, things are just

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<v Speaker 3>merely designed beautifully with a cause and effect, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think the more we understand that, the better we understand

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves too. But getting onto your main point, these infamous

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<v Speaker 3>Michael rises mushrooms and what's all to talk about them

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<v Speaker 3>or microhyzel fungi. Think of it as filamentous threads that

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<v Speaker 3>are roughly just one cell wall thick, and they're just

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<v Speaker 3>moving underground, just spreading right. No eyes, no ears, no

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<v Speaker 3>taste buds. It's super cool. These are organisms with no

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<v Speaker 3>central nervous system that are still one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>effective at acquiring resources, which is what makes it profound.

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<v Speaker 3>But these microizal mushrooms is they're underground, they're looking for

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<v Speaker 3>certain chemicals, and these chemicals are exactly what the trees

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<v Speaker 3>are providing. There's always a chemical universe and a chemical

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<v Speaker 3>relationship and dynamics going on underground. The roots of trees

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<v Speaker 3>are pumping out these chemicals that attract mushrooms that can

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<v Speaker 3>help provide them more resources. And here's where it gets

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<v Speaker 3>even more fun. So this michael rhyzel mycilium, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the network of this body of fungi, right, we refer

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<v Speaker 3>to it as just a mycilium network. This myceilial network

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<v Speaker 3>is it's spreading underground but encounters a chemical from a

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<v Speaker 3>root of a tree that it thinks it can work

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<v Speaker 3>with and maybe pair up for life. And what happens

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<v Speaker 3>here is super cool. When they're within proximity of each other,

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<v Speaker 3>the tree will keep letting out the chemical that's attracting

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<v Speaker 3>this michel rhyzel mushroom that wants to form a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with it, and the micro hyzel myceolium realizes this and

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<v Speaker 3>it starts letting out a specific chemical that lets it

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<v Speaker 3>know that, hey, you know your best friends here type

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<v Speaker 3>of deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's chemotaxis moving away from or in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>towards different chemical signals.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's like their secret chemical message. And what happens

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<v Speaker 3>is is and this is science and we've been able

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out in the last decade. But as we

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<v Speaker 3>know now, the root of the tree will let down

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<v Speaker 3>it saw wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw that. Plants or trees recognize it as

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<v Speaker 1>a symbiotic relationship, and the plants just dissolve their seal

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<v Speaker 1>walls in that region that's near the fun guy and

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<v Speaker 1>say like, come on in, I'm rolling out the red

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<v Speaker 1>carpet for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, I think I get it. So it's building

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<v Speaker 2>an infrastructure. It's kind of like a sidewalk welcoming you

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<v Speaker 2>into the tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just a sidewalk, a highway where nutrients and information

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<v Speaker 3>is being passed twenty four to seven, three hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>sixty five days of the week. Right, And this is

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<v Speaker 3>the mic hoorizal relationship that's formed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really interesting. How does it affect us or

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<v Speaker 2>does it affect us?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, roughly eighty percent of trees are connected to a

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<v Speaker 3>symbiotic relationship with some fungi, right, So they're connected with

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of mic rhizo fungi, and fungi can be

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<v Speaker 3>found everywhere in the World's the Arctic apart from those

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<v Speaker 3>two poles, but everywhere else it's fair game. Even in

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<v Speaker 3>deserts it's it's interesting. So essentially, this tree is siphering

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<v Speaker 3>off carbon and it doesn't use all of this carbon,

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<v Speaker 3>though it saves roughly twenty to thirty percent. It turns

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<v Speaker 3>it into glucose and it trades it with the micylorhizol mushroom.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives it sugar, and then what does the micro

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<v Speaker 3>rhizal mushroom give in return? The myceelial network is so

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<v Speaker 3>adept it can reach deep underground reservoirs the roots of

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<v Speaker 3>trees can never dare imagine to reach right or just

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<v Speaker 3>nutrient spots from dead animals or highly nutrient locations that

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<v Speaker 3>are a little bit further off from the tree's main

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<v Speaker 3>location that its roots can't reach to, and it's sending

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<v Speaker 3>over the phosphorus, the nitrogen, and these are some of

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<v Speaker 3>the main nutrients provide.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about chemical signals that are saying like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>me and you, two different species, let's cooperate. And I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's a little wild because when we think

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<v Speaker 1>about cooperative I'm always thinking like in one species, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I, Yeah, that's wild. I mean that's a strong scent,

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<v Speaker 2>that's strong cologne, strong perfume. You know, is that baccarat rouge?

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<v Speaker 2>I heard that that's what all the young folks are.

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<v Speaker 1>Wearing these I'm not smelling that. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this limited to just tree or plant communicating with

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<v Speaker 2>symbiotic fungus or does this type of communication exist between

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<v Speaker 2>one tree to the next tree.

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<v Speaker 3>This is how the communication also happens. And if ecosystem

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<v Speaker 3>and there was a mother tree that was doing pretty

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<v Speaker 3>well off, but then you had saplings a couple miles

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<v Speaker 3>off in the forest that were in danger. There's this communication,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a distress signal that's sent from the sapling and

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<v Speaker 3>they're all communicating via this micro ryzel network. And what

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<v Speaker 3>happens is the mother could decide to channel its resources

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<v Speaker 3>to the saplings in helping it grow some more, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just it's beautiful. And so it brings on a

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<v Speaker 3>new meaning of you know, we have this notion of

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<v Speaker 3>saying the forest is alive. Right, these things are just communicating,

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<v Speaker 3>transferring information and resources. And micro rhizel mushrooms are the

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<v Speaker 3>nervous system of the forest, right, many ways of looking

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<v Speaker 3>at it, but without microhizel mushrooms. We wouldn't have trees

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of places that we do now, or

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<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't have forest as dense and deep in the growth.

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<v Speaker 3>So then this plays into how much forest can actually

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<v Speaker 3>siphon off from sequestering carbon from the atmosphere. Microhizal mushrooms

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<v Speaker 3>or by far one of my favorite categories of mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>I really loved how you describe that, because, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>at first I was like, oh, this sounds scary, but

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<v Speaker 2>then you you describe such a beautiful relationship between the

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<v Speaker 2>tree and the fungus, and it's it's like almost emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>like how much they depend on each other and they used,

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<v Speaker 2>how much they use each other. The way you described

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<v Speaker 2>how the fungus moves underground and it is moving through things,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what reminded me of They reminded me of

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<v Speaker 2>the Last of Us. I don't know if you've been

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<v Speaker 2>watching that as a mushroom expert, cortescep, but they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about cordyceps all the time, and I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>word cordycep now is now a part of the zeitgeist

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<v Speaker 2>because of this show, and we don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and this show is basically teaching us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know if it's true or not, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>we just want to kind of have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a reality check when it comes to courtusps and

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<v Speaker 2>human zombies.

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<v Speaker 3>I always always get at least one person on the

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<v Speaker 3>high Ku recommends that show and I still haven't yet

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<v Speaker 3>watched it. I've heard about it so much that I

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<v Speaker 3>actually went I've read up on the show. Quartersps are

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<v Speaker 3>really cool because they sort of are the prime example

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<v Speaker 3>of a zombie like takeover and what that could look like.

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<v Speaker 3>Mushrooms are shaped in all sorts of ways, right. You'll

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<v Speaker 3>see some with caps, You'll see some with oozing jelly,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll see some with multiple fronds. But they're all meant

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<v Speaker 3>to enhance their sporelation process, which is just the way

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<v Speaker 3>that they released their sports, and the spores could germinate

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<v Speaker 3>on a lot of different things, right. It doesn't just

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<v Speaker 3>have to be the dead wood or the leaf litter

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<v Speaker 3>in the forest ecosystem. It can be a living tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Primarily a lot of insects and a ragnet are the

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<v Speaker 3>favorite host for the quarter steps. The way mushrooms grow

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<v Speaker 3>is by way of external excretion of enzymes, and these

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<v Speaker 3>enzymes are ponent enough to break down the kitan, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just the shell of these insects, and so once

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<v Speaker 3>a spore, which is microscopic, it's almost invisible to the eye.

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<v Speaker 3>It lands on this and to lands on this beetle.

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<v Speaker 3>As it eats its way into its body, it starts

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<v Speaker 3>filling it with mycilium. And the insect has no idea

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<v Speaker 3>this is happening. It is just living life as it

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<v Speaker 3>always was. It's a PG Friday, It's Taco Tuesday for it.

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<v Speaker 3>There is nothing going on. Slowly, but surely, the mysilium

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<v Speaker 3>completely encapsulates this insect, and at that point then something

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<v Speaker 3>very special happens. We still have here a chemical relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>The masilium starts flooding the brain of this insect with

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<v Speaker 3>chemicals of dopamine and a lot of excitement and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of rage, and it starts to take control of

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<v Speaker 3>the movement of this insect, and it forces it not

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<v Speaker 3>too far off from its colony. It forces it to

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<v Speaker 3>the highest point by the colony, close enough to where

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<v Speaker 3>when the mushroom sprouts, its spores have a higher probability

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<v Speaker 3>of encountering more hosts like it. So this ant climbs

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<v Speaker 3>up the closest tree, looks at the twig that's really

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<v Speaker 3>high up, finds a leaf, clamps on the leaf, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the last thing this insect ever does. Within yep,

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<v Speaker 3>and within days two weeks, the mushroom completely eats the

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<v Speaker 3>ant or the insect insight. And then we get this

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<v Speaker 3>cool and this really awesome looking horn that comes out

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<v Speaker 3>of the mushroom in the form of quartersps and quartersps.

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<v Speaker 3>Because at this point people may be like, ah, a

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<v Speaker 3>parasitic mushroom, Like it's kind of gross. I get why

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<v Speaker 3>they'd make a show about it, But it's actually really

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<v Speaker 3>popular in holistic medical practices.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, wait wait, wait, wait wait, because you would

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about something a little while. That's not the

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<v Speaker 1>plot twist that I saw coming right.

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<v Speaker 3>Quartersps are known, especially in Asian medicine, right to enhance

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<v Speaker 3>athletic performance, speed up recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we learn mushrooms can either create insect zombies

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<v Speaker 2>or boost your athletic performance. Choose your fighter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really cool. It's really cool. So as far as

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<v Speaker 3>the clinical trials that are being done in the West

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<v Speaker 3>right now, it's primarily for enhance energy, athletic performance and

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<v Speaker 3>speeding up recovery. There's also another medicinal factor. It's known

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<v Speaker 3>for in a lot of Asian countries, and it's known

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<v Speaker 3>as the mushroom that can slow down aging. It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But just for more practical clinical research, we have found

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<v Speaker 3>that there is a specific compound known as quarti sapin

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<v Speaker 3>in these quartersap mushrooms. But believe me, this thing is

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<v Speaker 3>only going to get more popular because from what trial

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<v Speaker 3>is already showing from the last several decades, i'd say

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<v Speaker 3>ten to twenty years, there's a lot of research that's

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<v Speaker 3>being backed up and corroborated now in the scientific world

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<v Speaker 3>regarding the medicinal benefits of mushrooms and quarters apps. It's

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<v Speaker 3>right there with the top along with Lion's main and

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<v Speaker 3>the like.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, the benefits seem great, but I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>those advances are enough to make me want to be

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<v Speaker 1>infected by mushrooms like Courtyceps last of Us style. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just glad that's not possible, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Same, Can I ask you a question?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Because here's the thing. Every time we breathe in, unless

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a cleanly ventilated closed system. Yeah, every time

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<v Speaker 3>we're breathing in. You're breathing in at least ten to

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<v Speaker 3>at least thirty different mushroom spores, So why don't mushrooms? No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay, like breathe it in, Come on, come on, okay, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So then the question is, you know, I know, is

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<v Speaker 3>I ask this and I get some funny answers, But

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<v Speaker 3>it's really simple. Why don't mushrooms grow inside of us?

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<v Speaker 1>We're too warm for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, our temperatures are hot enough to inhibit its growth,

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<v Speaker 3>but they can survive pretty warm temperatures.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm glad spores aren't germinating and growing in

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<v Speaker 1>my lungs, but I do know we have them on

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<v Speaker 1>our skin. We have a microbiome, so fun Guy exists

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<v Speaker 1>in our scalps, our hands, our feet, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just the two of us, it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>three of us, fun God, bacteria and ourselves. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that balance gets out of line, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you start to see yeast or some other component

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<v Speaker 1>like growing too much. So when you see babies having

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<v Speaker 1>thrush all that white stuff in their mouth, or some

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<v Speaker 1>types of dandruff and acne are caused by yeast overgrowing

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<v Speaker 1>like Malicesia is the name of that yeast.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the cool thing about this dance we call

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<v Speaker 3>life and the dance that we have here in the universes.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everything is a giver, some things are takers. But

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<v Speaker 3>in some way, the levels of which these relationships are working,

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<v Speaker 3>it can create a whole organ system. For example, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you alluded to a perfect fact that our body

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<v Speaker 3>actually carries more helpful bacteria than not just the majority

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<v Speaker 3>of these bacteria or parasitic in nature and actually giving

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<v Speaker 3>us something back. They're helping us live. And of course,

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<v Speaker 3>when you have this imbalance between givers and takers, right

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<v Speaker 3>between these parasites that are just exploiting and not giving

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<v Speaker 3>us much back, this imbalance creates a wreck in the body,

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<v Speaker 3>and we see that in the form of rashes and

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<v Speaker 3>fungal infections and disease and illness. Right, But a healthy

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<v Speaker 3>symbiotic system is a body that has healthy parasites.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>And some people may be put off by this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I get that, but honestly, it's really the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on TikTok, I'm a I won't say I'm a TikToker,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm a TikTok watcher, and I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>am on the mushroom side of TikTok where everybody's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about all these different mushrooms that can help you. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned that in the earlier on in our conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>Lions Maine. That's the one that's been creeping up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on my for you page, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>people like the videos I'm seeing. I'm like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>started taking lines made. Now is it a placebo I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, it's working, Oh wonderful. But that's the one that

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<v Speaker 2>I hear about a lot, is Lines Maine mushroom.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a huge boom right now. What's going on

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<v Speaker 3>with the mushroom herbal medicinal space, right You have companies

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of the woodwork touting whatever remedies, whatever benefits

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<v Speaker 3>for their latest mushroom supplement and their latest mushroom. It's great.

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<v Speaker 3>The best way I would say is to keep yourself

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<v Speaker 3>informed and keep yourself protected obviously by you know, getting

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<v Speaker 3>in touch with Hyser Georgia. If you need a company

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<v Speaker 3>to be reviewed, of course, get in touch with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, of course, But I would say that generally

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<v Speaker 3>you want to get in the habit of understanding the

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<v Speaker 3>dosages that these companies are working with, because that's really

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<v Speaker 3>the whole playing field here that they're weeding through the companies.

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<v Speaker 3>In general, we know for sure that these mushrooms are

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<v Speaker 3>backed up scientifically with clinical research. Quarter steps enhance energy

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<v Speaker 3>and it speeds up recovery great because it has these

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<v Speaker 3>compounds known as polysaccharites that can help your immune system

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<v Speaker 3>benefit our health. So the main compounds that we derive

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<v Speaker 3>from these mushrooms think of your turkey tail, your Lion's maine,

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<v Speaker 3>your rati mushrooms, your quarter steps. These have unique groupings

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 3>of polysaccharides that either help strengthen our immune system, help

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<v Speaker 3>us fight against illness, help us provide energy. Taga is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the best mushrooms for information. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's the best mushroom for information, something like Lion's Main,

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<v Speaker 3>which is hands down the best mushroom for combating neurodegenerative diseases. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>health is a layered thing. Mushrooms can be used to

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<v Speaker 3>target the gut, They can be used to target the brain,

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<v Speaker 3>They can be used to target the heart for example.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this wouldn't be your primary treatment modality. But

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<v Speaker 3>try to think about what it is you want right,

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<v Speaker 3>what it is you're looking to enhance or optimize within

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<v Speaker 3>your system? Is it brain health? Is it focus? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it energy? Is it gut health? Is it better sleep

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<v Speaker 3>and move modulation? Because they are specific mushrooms that can

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<v Speaker 3>really help you get closer towards this at a much

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<v Speaker 3>faster rate.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have to eat these mushrooms raw in order

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<v Speaker 2>to get the benefits?

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<v Speaker 3>When we speak about medicinal mushrooms, we take a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a different perspective. These are generally found in a

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<v Speaker 3>heart like texture once these mushrooms fruit, so some of

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 3>them are already hard. Think of your raichi mushrooms, your

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<v Speaker 3>turkey tail mushrooms, your you know, cordus steps aren't necessarily hard,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're usually dried out and a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>are turned into powders.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Taga is really hard Lion's made. Although it's very fleshy

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<v Speaker 3>and moist, it's usually dried out and turned into a powder,

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<v Speaker 3>And so these are usually turned into powders and then

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<v Speaker 3>used in the form of teas. Now for something like

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<v Speaker 3>the tinstures. They're using certain chemical compounds to dissolve the

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<v Speaker 3>mushroom and this liquid and this is what we get

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<v Speaker 3>and as the concentrated form of this, mushrooms medicinal properties.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's how the tinctures are made. But primarily

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<v Speaker 3>a lot is turned into powder. Tinctures are sort of

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<v Speaker 3>less in volume in the market. And then apart from

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<v Speaker 3>the tinctures, you have the powders. And then the powders

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<v Speaker 3>could be turned into capsules, okay, or or they're like yes,

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<v Speaker 3>but generally powder formed and then tea or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>directly turned into a tincture.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this just has me even more excited to

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<v Speaker 1>finally start my mushroom forging. I won't be eating anything, wrang,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually won't be picking anything. I'll just be taking

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<v Speaker 1>pictures and tagging hikes of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait until after our workshop, I think you'll you'll definitely

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<v Speaker 3>feel a lot more confident.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hikes of Georgia workshop.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a really beautiful lab because it helped me

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the binary. The last of us had

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>me side eyeing my krimini mushrooms. You know, I like

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<v Speaker 2>them in my eggs. I like and with my chick

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<v Speaker 2>I like mushrooms with everything. I like it on my pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>But after watching that, I was like, maybe I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more careful looking futy in

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<v Speaker 2>the light.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even when thinking about breathing in spores, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we are just a messy blob of sales carrying

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<v Speaker 1>other organisms on our backs. Like everything is yuckie.

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<v Speaker 2>There's stuff everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, the deeper you go into it, the more

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<v Speaker 3>convoluted it gets. And that's the beautiful thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It reminds me of that quote. You gaze into this

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<v Speaker 3>abyss and the abyss gazes back, and it's this beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>process of you know, uncovering. Within the last two decades,

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<v Speaker 3>we've had a proliferation in DNA sequencing processes being amortized

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<v Speaker 3>across the globe. What this means is that we have

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<v Speaker 3>much more of an accurate way we can categorize these

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms that were formerly unknown to us within their taxonomical

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<v Speaker 3>categorization to the highest degree of certainty. And so now

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<v Speaker 3>there are countless mushrooms being reclassified. Their countless mushrooms that

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<v Speaker 3>are being found. I believe within the next twenty to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty years, they are going to be even more edible

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<v Speaker 3>and medicinal mushrooms that we can talk about because the

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<v Speaker 3>classification technology has just gotten much better than what it

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<v Speaker 3>was before.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a great way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what's next. Is it that we just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>found something that can do what they're doing on the

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<v Speaker 1>less of us? I don't know. Let's don't get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>so you can forge your own mushrooms. Zekiah, I'm packing

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