WEBVTT - Should you not eat gluten? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.560 from house Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.880 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me as always is 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.720 Charles W. Chuck Bryant with this freakishly big fingertips that 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.120 I just noticed. I don't know what you're talking about. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:28.560 I'm looking at it now and it doesn't look any 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.000 different than any other fingertip I've ever seen. Hold your 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:36.920 hand up. That is big. This is on the middle finger. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.639 It gives me an advantage of traffic. Yeah. I met 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.920 a girl once, um who actually had she I can't remember. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.839 I think she'd like worn out, like her fingers from typing, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.120 or she broke it or she did something, and she 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.480 actually had that splint like this, like her middle finger 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.320 sticking up. I was like, I envy you, right, you 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:57.640 know you can get a splint and do that and 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.720 just tell people I could. I'm very lazy though, Sure so, Chuck, 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.600 how you doing great? God a, you're getting ready for Christmas? Yeah, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.959 this is our last couple of shows here before we break, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.680 and actually this will come out in two thousand eleven. Yeah, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.720 mind meld. But this is this is what's really going 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:20.320 on in our world right now, Chuck. You remember Norman Borlog, 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.639 I know this is this is unique Nobel Prize winning 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:33.600 I guess agriculturist, botanist. He is. He was responsible for 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:39.199 the green revolution, which, ironically, the people of the green 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.600 environmental revolution like to point out, is like the scourge 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.440 of the environment because basically what Borlog did in the forties, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.720 I think the fifties and sixties, there was a lot 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:55.680 of um famines predicted, right, Apparently up to a billion 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.760 people were predicted to die because the agriculture head reached 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.320 its carrying capacity, which is the number of people that 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.520 can support I think, without any help whatsoever, agriculture can 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.639 support like um, a couple of billion people something like that, Right, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.360 And we'd reached that point, or we were about to, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.360 and everybody was about to be in big trouble, and 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.880 then Borlog steps in just at the nick of time, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:25.079 goes down to Mexico, basically forces wheat to evolve super 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.919 quickly so that you have these high, high yields over 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.560 very small areas. More output exactly um, but like se 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.920 more output UM and literally saves about a billion lives. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.399 That's what he's credited with. The problem is he's also 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.639 credited with creating these really intensive agriculture techniques that pollute 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.000 water sheds from you know, intensive fertilizer and pesticides. Um. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.919 These things don't just grow on their own, like. It 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.000 requires a lot of intensive farming. Right. I didn't know 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.840 if there was a downside to his work. I know, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.639 it's it's kind of weird to think about, but yeah, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.800 he's actually kind of a whipping posts or um for 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.520 the the environmental movement. He just passed away this last year, right, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.320 uh yeah, within the last year too. Yeah, I think 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.160 he was last year, maybe two thousnine, um. But yeah, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.320 so he's kind of he's been vilified unfairly in my opinion, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.119 for creating a lot of ecological problems. I think when 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.800 you say that, you missed that he saved about a 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:25.000 billion lives, you know. Um. But there's also possibly one 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.120 other thing that he created inadvertently with his green revolution, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.359 and that is what we call Celiac disease. Interesting, yeah, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:38.560 because this this will think think about this Celiac disease, 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.360 which is an allergy or an autoimmune disorder that results 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.960 from an allergy to gluten. But it is an autoimmune 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.080 disorder though it's not a food allergy. It's an autoimmune 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.000 disorder brought on by a food allergy. Okay um. But 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.760 a study I think from two thousand nine found that 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.800 it's UH that gluten allergies or seal the act disease 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:07.160 is UM about four point five times more common now 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.520 than it was fifty years ago. And a lot of 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.480 people suspect that it it's because wheats become such a 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.680 staple crop that it's found everywhere, and so since we're 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.599 more exposed to it than ever thanks to this green revolution, um, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.080 we have started to develop this disorder because of it now, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.680 so is bore logs uh was his plan or not? 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.200 Obviously it wouldn't plan, but was his technique of making 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.280 the wheat and more yield high yield? Did that actually 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.599 increase the amount of gluten? I would imagine so, because 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.080 there's just more weeks. But I think also what's behind 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.360 it is wheat is everywhere because in the West there's 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.400 so much of it that we just use it for everything. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.600 Because and we'll see in a minute, it shows up 0:04:55.600 --> 0:05:00.400 in some pretty random places that wouldn't notice, Yes, that 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.839 you wouldn't notice. Well, you could put some wheat and 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.919 water and drink it. Well, yeah, wheat water right, also 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.520 called beer wheat water. I'm gonna order one of this 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.240 next time we're going to a bar. Yeah, can I 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.279 have some wheat water kind of wheat water. I'm gonna 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.479 order fire water when you order wheatwater. Okay, Well that 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.640 would be whiskey or something in firewater liquor whiskey. Yeah, So, Chuck, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.360 let's talk about Celiac disease. Let's talk about gluten. Let's 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.440 let's just lay it out on the table and see 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.200 what happens. Man. Yeah, because I mean it's all over 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.080 the place. Now, it's a big I would say there's 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.240 some controversy because a lot of people are jumping on 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.200 gluten free diets because, like Gwyneth Paltrow said, she lost 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.360 some weight, so people are using it to lose weight, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.960 which weight Like, she's not two dimensional, she's a sheet 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.920 of paper. Um. So let's talk about the small intestine. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.680 So if we want to absorb what's going on here 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:59.160 with this podcast. The small intestine is absorbs nutrients. That's 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.480 what it does. Thanks to little villian there. If you 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.000 have Celiac disease, that means the lining of your intestine 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.640 is destroyed to the point where, uh, it's not doing 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.400 that job, and the nutrients go straight through to your poop, right, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.600 And that's just pretty much it. Yeah, it's it's just 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.159 as straightforward as that. Yeah, that's celia. I mean there's 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.640 a lot of twist and turns along the way. Obviously. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.599 Well one of these is not exactly straightforward. One of 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:29.200 the um we we absorb nourishment in the small intestine, right, Yeah. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.120 So one of the side effects of Celiac disease of 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:38.600 an inability to absorb the nutrient gluten um is malnourishment, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.120 which also happens if you've had a significant portion of 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.360 your intestines removed. Malnourishment is often a result as well. Yeah, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.880 and that can lead to potentially anemia, osteoporosis, bad things, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.960 very bad things. Mal Nourishment just isn't good period. So 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.560 a lot of people think, well, you know, Celiac disease 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.279 is an allergy to wheat. It is um. But like you, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.320 like you just pointed out, you can get malnourishment. You 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.920 can develop malnourishment from it um. And it is also 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:14.360 an autoimmune disorder where the body is warding off something unnecessarily, right, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.560 like your immune system is not functioning correctly. Yeah, what 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.880 is this? They said that of sufferers have one of 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.320 two histo compatibility leucocyte antigens. Right, So what I take 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.720 from it is that's what they search for when they 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.000 do a blood test disease, right, So I think what 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:38.680 happens is it's we're exposed to wheat, right, Uh, our 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.720 body mistakes the gluten. Actually, in this case, in Celiac disease, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.840 our body mistakes the protein we make ourselves for the 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.760 enzyme we make ourselves that breaks down gluten as a 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.160 foreign invader. Gluten is a protein, and we even said 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.800 that I don't know gluten is a protein. Yes, it's 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.760 a protein, we should say, yeah, found specifically in wheat 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.800 bar early and rye. Yeah right, okay, yeah, okay. But 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.800 the weird thing about Celiac disease is our body is 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.840 not even warding off the gluten. It's warding off the 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.720 enzyme our body makes to break down the gluten. So 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.600 it's all kinds of confused, right, So we're introduced to 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.160 we here's some gluten our body produces and time to 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.960 go break it down. Some of our immune system goes, whoa, wha, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.559 what's going on? Forms antibodies that are that are um 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.679 developed just to destroy these enzymes that break down gluten. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.000 So then anytime we're exposed to gluten again these enzymes 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.880 are produced, our immune system mounts a defense unnecessarily and 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.440 therefore we we this As a result, the gluten is 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.240 not broken down. It passes through the stool or the poop, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.600 as you said, And um, we're malnourished because the villa 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.679 just basically lies down on the job or is destroyed 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.960 all together. And about one and one hundred and thirty 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.679 three people suffer from it. But it is under diagnosed 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.680 because it can mistake You can mistake it for irritable 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.959 irritable bowel syndrome. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the bowel symptoms. Right. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:14.560 There's um, you can have an upset tummy, irritable bowel syndrome. Um. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.760 You can also have chronic diarrhea, which is one of 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.160 the worst kinds of diarrhea. Yeah, I would say the worst. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.000 You can lose weight even though you're eating just a 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.240 normal diet. Right, Um, foul smelling bowel movements. Yeah, what 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.360 what is that all about? It means your poop stinks bad? Yeah, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.600 but I mean does not always. I think that this 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.000 is like even in the notice, in the realm of poop. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:41.679 This is bad like dad poop, except without the tang 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.720 of shaving cream also mixed in with it. Right, it's funny. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.839 There's a break like when you're a little baby. It's 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.880 like the worst thing on earth. And then I remember 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.040 being a kid specifically and might go and ask my 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.960 dad a question. Then he would just open the door 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.079 and I would be like, oh my lord, what is 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.160 happening in there? I wonder what it is? So I 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.040 would say, then your poop smells best between the ages 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.280 of like two, and so if you're ever gonna have 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.640 to smell poop, do it during those ages. Right, this 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:17.520 is going downhill fast. There's also some non bowel related symptoms. Well, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.600 excessive gas. We didn't say that. Oh yeah, that's a 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.240 big one, toot um. The non bowel related symptoms are 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:28.280 like muscle cramps, joint pain, uh, irritability, and depression, which 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:33.640 I think actually are probably comorbid with smelly poop. Fue. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.480 you're just like, oh God, I can't take this more. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.920 A A one unmistakable sign is a well, not unmistakable 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.080 because it could be other things, but a skin rash 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:50.520 known as dermatitis herpetiformists and that's like blistering and itching 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.760 on the elbows and knees and your but yeah, so 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.679 if you've got that going on, you may want to 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.680 get that looked into. And then part of the big 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.600 problem with Celiac disease um like if you go to 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.680 a doctor and say, my poop smells really bad. I 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:08.400 often have chronic diarrhea, I'm irritable, gassy, and I have 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.679 joint pain, and I have this rash. The doctors can 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.439 be like, you have Celiac disease. You may also be asymptomatic. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.280 And this is where it's it's a problem because if 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.800 the symptoms are UM, you know, not too terrible, like 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.560 you can deal with it and you don't even really 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.480 think about it. Or if you're asymptomatic, entirely your your 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:31.080 small intestine is still being ravaged by UM, this autoimmune 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.600 disorder that you have. Yes, you may not feel terrible, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.479 but it's it's wrecking you. Yeah, you're gonna become malnoursed 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.040 you're at risk for in India and osteoporocess and all 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.240 this other stuff as well. Well. One stat that's in 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.800 this article. Um I think Molly Edmonds wrote this, right, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.320 she did, of stuff Mom never told you, and our 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.720 our chief medical correspondent. Uh. For every person that is diagnosed, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.200 about thirty people habit and are undiagnosed. Yeah, that's that's huge. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.679 That's huge underdiagnosis. So they think you're just gassy and 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.080 fatigued and irritable. Right. And one of the problems why 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.000 or one of the reasons why it's so underdiagnosed, as 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.360 a lot of these symptoms mimic other um more or 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:15.360 other better understood disease like cystic fibrosis. Yeah, we mentioned 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.680 IBS and Cron's disease, which I thought was interesting, which 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.360 I think is related somehow, is it? Though? They usually 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.280 have to take out part of your intestine for chron disease. Uh. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.600 So Molly suggests, you know, to be your own advocate, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.920 which is always a good idea and because a lot 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.679 of doctors will bypass that. But I bet these days 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.640 doctors are hearing more and more from people saying I 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.760 think I might have Celiac disease, right, and also a 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.720 lot of people as Celiac disease and the idea of 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.720 gluten and eating a gluten free diet, which as it 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.520 stands right now is the only treatment for Celiac disease. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.000 Is eating a gluten free diet. Um is more and 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.320 more people are become aware of it. I think a 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.920 lot of a lot of people are starting to adopt 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.800 that um not only because of celia disease, a lot 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.079 of people consider it to be healthier. Yeah, that possibly 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:10.760 gluten is responsible for the widespread depression, murder rates, like 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.319 everything that's wrong with the world, it can be traced 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.960 to gluten or case in, which is I think, what 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.840 the what is the responsible party for lactose intolerance? Right, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.319 It's a lot of people are eating what's called gluten 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.240 free casein free diets, right, Well, gluten, you can have 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.640 a gluten sensitivity without having Celiac disease, So that's important 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.800 to point out. Without having full blown Celiac disease, you 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.320 can't have a sensitivity to it. But the things that 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.599 I've read say that if you don't have a sensitivity 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.360 to it and you're not celiac, you're not Celiac disease, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.880 then there's really no reason to avoid it, and a 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.760 lot of it is. It's sort of the fad now, yeah, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.319 it is, but it makes you wonder. Sometimes the mob 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.600 mentality is correct. You know. Um, if you do think 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.720 you have Celiac disease though, and you're considering adopting a 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.360 glute and free diet, hold off and actually go to 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.280 the doctor first, that you want to be properly diagnosed. Um, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.800 because once you start, once you adopt the gluten free diet, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.160 it's going to mess with the results of the blood test. Yeah, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.040 you can actually show a false positive for celiac because 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.320 you're avoiding gluten in the blood. Or no, it won't 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.360 show up. Oh no, I thought it said you can 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.680 appear to have Celiac disease. Oh see what I took 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.640 from it is that you it won't show up because 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.480 your body is not producing the antibodies that they look 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:35.200 for in the blood test. Because adopting a gluten free 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:40.200 diet is so um effective that your body starts healing 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.040 itself pretty quickly. Am I wrong? I don't know. You know, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.840 it just says it can distort the blood test, So 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.320 it just messes. It just messes with it one way 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:50.800 or the other. Right, So, if you want to be 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.000 diagnosed with celiac disease, I think you have it. Go 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.680 get diagnosed, and then adopt the gluten free lifestyle. And 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.880 that is the good news that, um, you're gonna stop 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.960 experiencing symptoms in the first within a couple of days, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.760 possibly a week or so, and then your small intestine 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.240 will begin to repair itself and function correctly. Yeah, because 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.120 it's really it's just the gluten that your body's reacting to. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.440 And if there's no gluten, hey, yeah, they call it disease. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.440 I guess it qualifies, but it's to me it's more 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.520 of a condition. If you can just quit eating gluten, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.680 it will repair itself, although it's uncurable, so I guess 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.560 it is technically disease. And we talked about UM diets, right, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.120 the gluten free case and free diet is actually UM 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.480 A lot of parents of autistic kids, which, by the way, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.920 I checked with the guy who has an autistic kid, 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.080 and he said it's cool to call him autistics yet 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.680 autistics rather than people with autism or both. He said 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.480 he thought it was he'd been doing it for the 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.400 last twenty years, So that's just his opinion, right, but 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.920 at the very least he won't be offended. But there's 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.520 a certain amount of logic to UM feeding kids with 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.480 autism a gluten free case and free diet, And basically 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.040 the logic behind in it is that kids with autism 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.680 overproduced certain peptides that break down these things, and for 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:12.240 some reason, this process in the brain treats these the 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.760 compounds when they're broken down as opiates and cause kids 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.160 to behave differently from other kids, which apparently explains autism. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.560 And it's it's not vetted enough. There haven't been enough 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.640 studies apparently to prove or disprove it, but that there's 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.160 a lot of parents of autistic kids who are not 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.520 feeding them gluten or case and well, we're just learning 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.480 so much about autism now we need to do that 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.880 as a podcast at some point. Oh, definitely, because all 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:43.560 the controversy around the UH shots that kids get causing 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.280 autism and stuff like that. Yeah, there's and it still 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.840 remains even after that one doctor who basically started that 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.360 whole thing was completely discredited. Yeah, well, there's just so 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:58.840 much cynicism and UM suspicion towards you know, the establishment. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.440 So we'll we'll do autism. We're promising that. Uh. So 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.040 we were talking about the fact that gluten products are 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.600 lousy with this stuff these days. It's obviously if it's 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.440 in wheat, barley and rye, it's gonna be in any 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.920 kind of baked good with this stuff, crackers, pasta, cereal bread. Um. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.600 But it's also and some weird things, not weird things, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.800 but it's weird that it's in these things, like salad 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.720 dressing is so weird, Uh, salad dressing, soy sauce, peanut butter, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:34.560 ice cream, pudding, lipstick and toothpaste, beer, obviously, vitamins, an 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.080 envelope adhesive. Yeah, which makes me wonder is that when 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.359 she has like a really heightened uh gluten allergy perhaps So, Yeah, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.240 it's in all those things. Obviously any kind of anything 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.879 made with flour, so you don't might not think about 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.200 soup like a chowder or a gravy that's sticking with flower. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.600 I wouldn't want to live if I couldn't eat gravy. Yeah, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.920 you can want to live a vy free life. Either 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.240 that or my my bowel movements would stink because I 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.480 would not stop eating gravy. What's the point If you 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.160 can't eat gravy, what's the point of eating anything. I'm 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.119 with you, either you do the dark brown gravy or 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.200 like the light brown, pretty anything. I prefer brown gravy, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.080 like dark brown like KFC. Yes, but I will eat 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:24.080 any gravy really, alright. Uh. The other good thing about 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.360 the fact that gluten is all over everyone's radar now, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.679 UM is that if you do want to live a 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.480 gluten free life, it's a lot easier now too, because 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.680 there's tons of products now that are touting being gluten 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.359 gluten free, including gluten free beer. Yeah. What do you 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.280 know the brands? It was curious about that. No, but 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.920 there's there's there's several out there. I think Terrapin, one 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.040 of our breweries from beloved Athens, Georgia, has a gluten 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.679 free beer. I think, yeah, I think there's that. Several 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.160 brands have started to UM carry to produce gluten free beer. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.679 Because really all you need is is some sort of 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.440 starch to get things going. It doesn't have to be wet. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.560 You should consumably use rice. There's also a soy vodka 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:13.600 that's awful, but it's out there. UM because think about it, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.080 gluten vodka is often made from grain, and you're in 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.040 big trouble with with whiskey vodka. They I have had it. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.040 It was one of the few shots free shots I've 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.720 ever given back in my life. It was now when 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.520 you mean give it back, you spit it back at 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:30.080 the bar to no. Um. I grabbed two and I 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.480 did one and actually caught the the girl who was 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.920 handing him out attention and put it back on the tray. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.320 Put the little test tuo back in the thing. Bad. Uh. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.240 What was I gonna say, Josh, oh, if you're eating out, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.280 you're gonna want to talk to your waiter or chef. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.400 And a lot of you know, trendy restaurants these days 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.400 have a little gluten free sections too, because everyone thinks 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.240 that they're they have celia because he's now well right well. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:55.880 And not only that, there's a lot of people out 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.080 there who, like you said, think it's healthy. It's it's 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.400 kind of the fad. So there's strengthen numbers as far 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.879 as consumer ship goes UM And apparently between two thousand 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.520 and two, No, two thousand four and two thousand nine, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.200 in five years UM, the amount of gluten free products 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.040 on the market increase, according to the neil Thing Company. Well, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.400 and they know what they're talking about. Well, they want 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.240 to make a buck. Well it's who the neil Thing company. No, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.119 just people that make the products that you consume. They 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.760 want to make a buck. So they know that gluten 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.440 free is a big deal, so they slap gluten free 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.880 on there and obviously remove the gluten. I'm not saying 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.680 they're lying to everyone. You know, Mellow Mushroom has a 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:39.080 gluten free pizza. Of course they do. Uh. Molly points 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.600 out that one thing you can do is um instead 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.159 of to try and avoid gluten, just look at a 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.240 list of safe foods that might be easier, just to 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.200 think in the realm of vegetables and fruits, nuts, dry beans, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.760 milk and get clear soup, no gravy, dairy and by 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.280 the chuck, I want to correct myself corn rice. So 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.600 I re tales sales of gluten free products have increased, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.320 se not the number of products on the market. Okay, 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.800 retail sales, but still I think that that's directly proportionate 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.920 to the number of products on the market. Also, Josh 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.480 Potato and Chema, I like how you say that, How 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.439 should I say it? I think that's right, okay, instead 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.960 of quinola quella. How I've always said, um, what chuck, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.320 what happens if you are a Catholic? You're in big trouble, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.240 aren't you. Yeah? Like it's it's made with with wheat 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:31.679 and they're not going to bend on that, right, And 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:36.359 that the the the Pope the Catholic churches actually issued 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.280 a ruling. Pope, Yeah, oh yeah, you're right. He just 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.679 he looks creepy. That's the reason. Okay, I'm glad you 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:49.520 said that. Um. The the Catholic Church issued a ruling 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.119 on the presence of gluten in the communion wafers and 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:59.240 said that the true Eucharist bread must be made with wheat. Right. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:05.000 Apparently there is a young girl whose um communion was 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.119 nullified by the Catholic Church because she had been she 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.080 had received her first communion as a low gluten wafer, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.800 which the Protestants have come to embrace. So they said 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.160 they didn't count. They said she's not a Catholic like 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:22.000 she she didn't. There are several rights to Catholicism. There's baptism, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:26.640 first communion, first penance, confirmation, marriage, and last rights right 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.679 and she can still off right. Um, so one of 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:35.720 her I guess points of Catholicism was literally overturned hers 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.320 personally by the Catholic Church because she had received a 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.800 low gluten wafer. And they wonder why Catholicism is losing 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.320 It's it's a members because they're basically saying to her, 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.480 you're we're forcing you to have stinky poop, little girl, girl, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.760 we don't care if you can die from this. Well 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.280 it's only one little wafer though. Well the problem also is, um, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.479 the Protestants have embraced low gluten wafer, but low gluten 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.800 doesn't mean no gluten, so there's kind of that too. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:11.040 I mean, people with severe Celiac disease can you know, 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.960 still have a pretty bad reaction to a comedian wafer? 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.360 And check? This is a big deal. I mean it's 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.080 not to you and me, but to you know, devout 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:24.000 cast who have Celiac disease, this is a big deal. Yeah, 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.159 it's a very important right for them. And it is 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.600 very disappointing that the Church came out and ruled like no, sorry, 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:31.679