WEBVTT - Albert Hammond Jr

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Albert Hammond Junior first rose to prominence as the

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<v Speaker 1>lead guitarist of The Strokes, a band at the forefront

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<v Speaker 1>of New York City's indie rock renaissance and the early odds.

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<v Speaker 1>The Strokes released their debut album Is This It in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one to huge commercial success. Two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>five albums and a Grammy later, the Strokes have become

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<v Speaker 1>a modern successor to the bands that influenced them, The Cars,

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<v Speaker 1>The Stooges, the Velvet Underground. In two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Hammon Junior launched his solo career, putting his songwriting

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<v Speaker 1>and abilities as a frontman to the test. He's now

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<v Speaker 1>released five albums of his own, including his latest Melodies

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<v Speaker 1>on Hiatus, which came out just a couple of months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a double album that he co wrote with Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>singer Simon Wilcox and feature sure his collaborations with Goldlink

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt Helders from The Arctic Monkeys. On today's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Hammond Junior and I discussed his parents' recent divorce

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<v Speaker 1>and how despite the fact that he's in his early forties,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still dramatically impacted by it. Albert also reminisces

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<v Speaker 1>about his past life as a champion rollerskater who was

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<v Speaker 1>once scouted by Christy Yamaguchi's Olympic ice skating coach, and

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<v Speaker 1>he also explains why he's never been a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else's favorite bands Radiohead and led Zeppelin. This is

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<v Speaker 1>broken record liner notes for the digital age. I'm justin Ritchman.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my conversation with Albert Hammond Jr. When did you

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<v Speaker 1>record the new solo record, Melodies on Hiatus Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was going to come out a lot sooner.

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<v Speaker 2>I started in twenty nineteen, right at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>touring my last record, Francis Trouble. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>of making a double album. It wasn't like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make two records. And all I thought was, I

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<v Speaker 2>can start now. And because I knew, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>deconstruct the band and I wanted to keep it meaning

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<v Speaker 2>like the record before that was a live band in

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<v Speaker 2>a room in a studio like this, a studio head upstate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very like.

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<v Speaker 2>Studio live takes band and this upstate New York. Yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>you live in New York long enough, you just call

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<v Speaker 2>it up So I wanted to just like I usually

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<v Speaker 2>I love plugging my guitar and direct, even if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just to like an apollo.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would plug it into a board. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that too, or just like a neve like that

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<v Speaker 1>over there. But I was like, let's just do it

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<v Speaker 1>all like we do the demos.

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<v Speaker 2>Drum machines kind of play all the different parts with instruments,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're just trying to create a vibe for each

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<v Speaker 2>song to then play for people to be like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is where I wanted to go. Help me get it there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So I started in twenty nineteen. My parents were getting divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mom was in this rental right by the

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<v Speaker 2>Beverly Center, very cool rental. Yeah, just started there with

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<v Speaker 2>my laptop. But your parents just got divorced. But when

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<v Speaker 2>we were recording in twenty seventeen here they just started.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was still happening in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it ended. I think it took like four

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<v Speaker 1>or five years. It was kind of ridiculous. Wow. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna ask you cause I guess you know, Old

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<v Speaker 1>Man seemed like an obvious jumping off point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny because some songs come you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like lay themselves out. I remember I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I was at this whole time twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was staying a lot in my parents' apartment here.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't here, and my life was a lot here.

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<v Speaker 2>The Strokes were doing stuff. I had my solo manager

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<v Speaker 2>and my label here working with people, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>just easy to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just playing.

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<v Speaker 2>The guitar and it kind of just like it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came. I said, my old.

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<v Speaker 1>Man blah blah blah, and I kind of just had it.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't intended to be a dig at him or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And then by the time I got to doing lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>and Simon actually Samon Wilcox did lyrics because well, by

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<v Speaker 2>the time I got to twenty songs, I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>all twenty and I was like, there's no way I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to finish these. This is just too much work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather start from scratch. But you knew you liked

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<v Speaker 2>all twenty, Yeah, I knew well by then it was

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<v Speaker 2>like the album's a double album. But like I song titles,

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<v Speaker 2>little lines here and there, lyrics from me are last,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll do I sang all the songs parts I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I had melodies for and ones that I was searching,

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<v Speaker 2>or if I wanted to change it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it'd still punched me. And I'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's fine for them to be similar. This one

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<v Speaker 2>should be a little different. Let me just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>find it. But you're just making shit up, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it works, sometimes it doesn't. What was cool was that

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<v Speaker 2>Simon kept phrasing of mine that had I written lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even have kept because these were just like

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<v Speaker 2>little rambling things I did, Like I was making stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up on the spot. Maybe it's a mistake or you

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<v Speaker 2>don't fit the words you want, but she was able

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<v Speaker 2>to keep them in And so there's something really magical

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<v Speaker 2>in that. But yeah, Old Man is not about It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like a dig going back to that, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a dig on my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite the opposite. It's kind of like you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Realize in life how your perspective changes over time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and like so you see your parents and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like a kid, and you have all these feelings

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<v Speaker 2>and thoughts and you know, teenager twenty, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden you end up being their age that you

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<v Speaker 2>remember looking up at them and then you're kind of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so strange. How did I get here and

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<v Speaker 2>how you're viewing stuff? But now they're older so you

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<v Speaker 2>can't see. So it's just this cycle of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we just have to be more gentle with everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>just because we're all, you know, human beings and we

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<v Speaker 2>make mistakes, and like, I feel like the more you judge,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you end up doing the same things later on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it was that kind of idea in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the other thing I would do assimon is

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<v Speaker 2>that when I was doing it, she would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to keep the world old man? Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she even said like I really like it, let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep it, and I was like, no, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it. It was very natural, is the first thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I sang when I was trying to find the melody.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's kind of hard to change those words.

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<v Speaker 1>So how much of that did she write versus I

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<v Speaker 1>would say she wrote the lyrics just because I said

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<v Speaker 1>old man, or like if she kept a line or

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<v Speaker 1>two of mine that I said that worked, everything is there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>by her hand, you know, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>take that away from her.

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<v Speaker 2>But the conversations that we had dictated sometimes where songs

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<v Speaker 2>would go. And it was definite point where I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about fuck you, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like that all.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, it's like, oh man, like all the times

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<v Speaker 2>I said that, and now I'm in your shoes when

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that to you, and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get it, and you you know, you did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, like you know, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, your parents getting divorced at.

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<v Speaker 2>That time, yeah, they were still Yeah, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a dig at the But did.

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<v Speaker 1>It must have spurred it, right, I mean I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't imagine. Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely not. You know, divorce is it's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>divorce is not. I was thirty six when they started.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't any easier. It wasn't like I'm thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, felt it just as hard. Very weird. It's always weird.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's the idea like never call the cops, never

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<v Speaker 2>get as soon as you get other people involved in

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<v Speaker 2>your stuff, you can't just talk it out, Yeah, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can never go back Yeah, it's you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it was. I would get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the weirdest things I got is just we were like

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<v Speaker 2>a tripod.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a family. My mom's Argentina and my dad's from Gibraltar,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the craziest place to be from. I like Gibraltar.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the hell is that the rock?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Living Daylights James Bond, the opening scene is in Gibraltar.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to know what it. What it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like is just a giant rock off the coast of Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's British and they're angry about that, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so far away. And they met in Argentina and they

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<v Speaker 2>moved to La and I grew up here. So I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't grow up with like a family every couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years when they'd come visit for three months, not like

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<v Speaker 2>cousins or aunts who live in the same city. So

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<v Speaker 2>we were like a tripod. So that interaction still existed

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<v Speaker 2>even in the divorce. So that was like the hard

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<v Speaker 2>part was like, even though I was not getting involved

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<v Speaker 2>or I was just trying to help out where I could, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to affect me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and anger will come out from different people and

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna you know, I'm in the middle. Regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>if they don'tics or not. I imagine some things came from it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's like it a god. Writing songs are so

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<v Speaker 2>so funny. There's so many different spots, and you might

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<v Speaker 2>even have one line that means something to someone, but

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<v Speaker 2>the whole song it's a different meaning meaning like it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just not so like I'm going to write about

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<v Speaker 2>how much I like or dislike this person. Yea, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you do that, you might venture off and have

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<v Speaker 2>a whole story or line works. I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>combination of music and words. Sometimes stuff that's really simple

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<v Speaker 2>is more powerful. The music, to me is what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to have move you. And then though the words

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<v Speaker 2>on top are like a cherry. But these conversations I

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<v Speaker 2>had with Simon were like amazing. We would have hour

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<v Speaker 2>long conversations about what I felt, where I wanted to go,

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<v Speaker 2>or what she thought, or we would disagree or agree

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<v Speaker 2>or like it would be amazing. But like remember an

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<v Speaker 2>old man, the second verse just wasn't right. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she came up with the bullet wounds and self defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Even like it never stopped. She had this story. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like that to me, but she had this

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<v Speaker 2>story about this older person who just like never this

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<v Speaker 2>character like who never stops even though you know he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't made it, he doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, sure, I guess try writing that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't connect with me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she sent me the lyrics and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, this is so great, but this is not

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<v Speaker 2>what I would have thought it would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it ever connect with you at any point?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the lyrics connected with me when I sang them.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, I wouldn't have sang them. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I wrote with someone else. I didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything that didn't fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Connect feeling authentic, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like I just mean sometimes the way the

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<v Speaker 2>way someone tells the story about where they're gonna go,

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of like, yeah, okay, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what in your head, but it's yeah, it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>to not get it and then get something back and

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<v Speaker 2>being like, well, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in your head it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what I thought it was going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is amazing. But yeah, no, it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>just write lyrics. I had thought I was gonna like

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<v Speaker 2>try to get a bunch of friends to help me

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<v Speaker 2>write lyrics. But it's a lot harder to get people

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<v Speaker 2>to help you out than you might think.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of trouble did you come across with that? No? Nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>Just people say.

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<v Speaker 2>Any of what kind of trouble? Oh I got in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble. I get in a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not from asking people to write songs. Such

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<v Speaker 2>a trouble maker.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just this was just like an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, like I would ask certain bands that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>friends with, if they people who I like they write lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>if they wanted to give it a go.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's hard. People I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was really nice, but I think they were all

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<v Speaker 2>like in the middle of records or sometimes people wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, but they I think maybe they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to change the malady of it, which I wouldn't have minded,

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<v Speaker 2>but have been like, Okay, well now we're working on

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<v Speaker 2>the song very differently, you know what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was just the timing of it because I

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<v Speaker 2>was just recording, right, it's recording I could have I

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<v Speaker 2>could still be recording. I was in such a finding

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<v Speaker 2>voicemail wasn't just like creating songs. It was I was

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<v Speaker 2>in such a little heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were sort of doing the strokes with the

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<v Speaker 1>new abnormal was yeah, at least stating too right. We've

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<v Speaker 1>done a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we started the promo tour, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic happened, and then Gus would just fly over. Gus Ober,

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<v Speaker 2>he's my best friend. He just front housed with the strokes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty loose during the pandemic. I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no precautions for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, I was just thought, no, no, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there was precautions. I mean he flew on the plane

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess you have to wear a mask, but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Just came over. Precautions because you he just came over.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we just started working and my wife was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We would still exercise and stuff like.

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel like I find it hard to believe

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<v Speaker 2>what happened there was they tell you what's happening, but

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<v Speaker 2>no one ever tells you how to build your own

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<v Speaker 2>immune system.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a weird thing to navigate. It was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very weird. Did work in on music though, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how your wife was pregnant, so it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, she got pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>In June, and this was we started in March. Right

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<v Speaker 2>and first kid, right, first, first and only kid, first kid,

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<v Speaker 2>No more kid war scene, no more.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>One is I'm grateful for her changed my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>love her dearly, but I don't have the capacity for

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot for.

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<v Speaker 1>It requires a lot of bandwidth. I have two, you

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<v Speaker 1>have two. Yeah. My eldest really liked your solo record.

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<v Speaker 1>Check me at it. The playlist is it? How old

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<v Speaker 1>are they? Seven and four? Just turned seven and four?

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<v Speaker 2>Mine just a little over during a different, different spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I was terrifying at first. Oh my god. You know

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<v Speaker 2>some people come they come out and they're like I

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<v Speaker 2>was born to be a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like a PTSD, Like I was like, what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>My life's completely changed? Yeah, I love you, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just everything's really different.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like it's balanced out? It's balancing out

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. I mean anything, it makes sense, any creation

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<v Speaker 2>in the universe is through destruction, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like here and how we're here, it was through things

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<v Speaker 2>banging into each other and blowing up. So it makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense that to create something like.

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<v Speaker 1>New life.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's amazing to have seen it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it must be something that it you know, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Just an extreme thing. Your kid destroys your life, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's it just it just needs.

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<v Speaker 2>It destroys it in the sense that it's meant to

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<v Speaker 2>and you're meant to build up deeper and better and

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<v Speaker 2>your your heart's richer for and it's like, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be the same person. It would be ridiculous. And

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<v Speaker 2>just to see life take shape. I started to think

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe personality traits and little things you do or

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<v Speaker 2>just are all in there. It's got nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with what I was saying or doing, just from generations

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<v Speaker 2>passed on and who knows which part she has some

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<v Speaker 2>different people, but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's it's sometimes that's scary. Sure, when I think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, I'm like, damn, does she have some of

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle in there? I mean, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure she's just like I'm sure they have different How

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<v Speaker 2>are you even ancestors you didn't even meet, like you

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<v Speaker 2>have like your friends or friends brothers, And you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't even seem like the part of the family

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<v Speaker 2>or like their personality was just so different than the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Friends who were twins, and you just couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I was a twin. It passed away at five months,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was I was so curious that, not not

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<v Speaker 2>to bring a down. Wow, you're like, oh, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel like there was something. I'm always so

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<v Speaker 2>curious about what that would have what my life would

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<v Speaker 2>have been like had I had a twin.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to glean from your parents, how similar

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<v Speaker 1>not you were in the five months, Like we talked.

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<v Speaker 2>About five months in like, my mom didn't know she

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<v Speaker 2>had twins, and it was five months, but it still

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<v Speaker 2>looked like a little human. Supposedly when it came out

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. This might be a little graphic, but my

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<v Speaker 2>dad took it out of the toilet and they brought

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<v Speaker 2>it to the hospital and they said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked like a little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I always questioned this, but the doctor was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you lost the baby. Those are just phantom feelings. And

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<v Speaker 2>like a few weeks later she found out she was

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<v Speaker 2>still pregnant with me. And I remember knowing that as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, but as a kid, you don't like really

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<v Speaker 2>think what that must feel like for your parents. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until I was thirty six, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that must have been weird to have I think, is

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<v Speaker 2>it called stillborn to like have a kid come out

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and like that's heavy, that's not a light thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I didn't realize how close she worked so

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<v Speaker 2>much so that the nail and part of the other

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<v Speaker 2>placenta was on mine when it came out like one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things, and so like it made me like.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually it made me.

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<v Speaker 2>Cry because I was just like imagining just being that

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<v Speaker 2>close to someone. There must be some kind of energy

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<v Speaker 2>in there, you know, when you're like being made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I know at the time you weren't thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>how your parents felt, but it's probably because it was

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<v Speaker 1>super overwhelming for you too. Or did you really not

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<v Speaker 1>eat when I was a kid and when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. I mean it's hard to remember, or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was it was too much. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought it was just like a it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a story. I heard it so much when I

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<v Speaker 1>was since I was little, so it just became like

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<v Speaker 1>it's part of my story and it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was older, I was like, man, this story is

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<v Speaker 2>like a superhero story and that's when I did on

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<v Speaker 2>the record before, I was like, what a cool way

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<v Speaker 2>to create an alter ego through that story. And then

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<v Speaker 2>this album is like the deconstruction of accepting. I made

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<v Speaker 2>a record where I accepted being the front person, because

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<v Speaker 2>all the records beforehand were just like, I really just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be in a band. I just like writing songs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just exercises, so I could try to write more

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<v Speaker 2>songs in the band or just be a better songwriter

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<v Speaker 2>in general. And on the fourth one, I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to accept that it's just my name, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you thought about it as exercise for the Strokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first album was just like when I made

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<v Speaker 2>my first album, You're to keep. I was like, if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't finish something and it's just done, I got

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<v Speaker 2>anything I was to tour it or anything. If I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like finish it, I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Never grow because I'll always be like, well, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a demo. I can change it. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone always like, you know, that's just a rough mix.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm changing everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So it felt good to commit to I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I needed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had stuff that i'd been nurturing

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<v Speaker 2>since my late teenage years, mixed with stuff that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>done after I joined a band. So I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of it to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be the songwriter today unless I had done that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just mean, I didn't want to be like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to release a solo record and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Albert Hamman Jr. Look at me like I just

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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to be in a band.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. We're going to take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll be back with more from Albert Hammond Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back with more from Albert Hammond Junr. So you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a guitar player like that feels like I

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<v Speaker 1>just like writing songs.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even feel like I feel like my guitar

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<v Speaker 2>player now because that's where the role like.

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<v Speaker 1>When I fell in love with.

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<v Speaker 2>Music and guitar, I never it wasn't like, oh I

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<v Speaker 2>like Jimmy Hendricks, I want to play lead. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like I like Buddy Holly, I like Roy Orbison.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to sing and write songs. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>until I was in a band that I I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why I didn't click with me like guitar parts

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<v Speaker 2>it should have maybe or I didn't understand it. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I guess I fell in love more with the

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<v Speaker 2>song than like the instrument. And it wasn't untill like

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had to when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a band, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when I was first playing some leads at early

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<v Speaker 2>stroke stuff, I was like like I'm doing this like wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was so it was so strange. When I

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<v Speaker 2>first started writing songs. It wasn't till like make an album.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just to like be a contribute in what

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing. You know, It's always been a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>I love performing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been I used to roller skate when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, so I feel like I've been performing since

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<v Speaker 2>before in nine, ten, eleven, twelve, I would, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>skate in front of a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of skating's back Are you are you diving back in?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you getting back into Well? No, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my skating that I did was you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>figure skating and ice skating. Yeah, I did that alone

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<v Speaker 2>with a partner.

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<v Speaker 1>On ice skates. Store, No, on roller skates. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>me to do. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>The what was their name, Kristin Yamagucci, the coach wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to coach me for the Olympics because his thing was

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<v Speaker 2>like he was like, I can teach how you can

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<v Speaker 2>do everything you need to do to learn skates and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. What I can't teach is like what

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<v Speaker 2>you have. I had like posture or like grace, and

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<v Speaker 2>I could like move. I think my dad wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to ice skate too, because there's money in ice skating.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no money in roller skating.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what, I don't love ice skating like

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<v Speaker 2>I love real skating. I mean it was fun, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very competitive. I liked winning. I just remember that. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember not being nervous and I liked winning. I was

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<v Speaker 2>like practicing every day three four hours a day, seven

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<v Speaker 2>days a week, and then one day at twelve, I

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<v Speaker 2>like the hairline fracture on my ankle and then I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that anymore. Was it like your parents

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<v Speaker 1>being like you have to go to definitely know you

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<v Speaker 1>want it to or not. You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you could push someone into wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>do that if the person didn't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You might, you know, every day falling down, getting up,

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<v Speaker 2>falling down like you just hours and hours. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with an instrument, right, I mean people ask

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<v Speaker 2>for advice on guitar, and it's just like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have many moments where you're gonna want to quit. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's the people that push through those moments that get better.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. That's all it is. Do you still have

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<v Speaker 1>those moments where you want to quick guitar? Oh my god? Yeah?

0:23:14.116 --> 0:23:16.676
<v Speaker 2>Tell you kidding? Like I love tennis and I was

0:23:16.716 --> 0:23:19.156
<v Speaker 2>watching tennis and I was I was, I was angry.

0:23:19.636 --> 0:23:22.036
<v Speaker 2>I was like, the number one tennis player has a

0:23:22.116 --> 0:23:26.356
<v Speaker 2>coach teaching him more stuff, even though he's number one.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love a.

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<v Speaker 2>Guitar teacher to get me over hurdles. I have weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>on guitar. I'm very slow musician. I'm not a studio musician.

0:23:35.876 --> 0:23:39.036
<v Speaker 2>My ear is slow picking stuff up. I get like

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<v Speaker 2>stage fright in playing music with the band or other people,

0:23:43.436 --> 0:23:45.436
<v Speaker 2>and like stuff I won't know or just not doing

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<v Speaker 2>stuff well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll rehearse shit out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Something so that I can perform it on stage where

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like you can't imagine the person not belonging there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love that. I love that part of entertaining,

0:23:58.796 --> 0:24:02.596
<v Speaker 2>but the unknown like scares me so like I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to strengthen.

0:24:04.956 --> 0:24:06.076
<v Speaker 1>That ability.

0:24:06.076 --> 0:24:07.676
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to come up with stuff for me, even

0:24:07.716 --> 0:24:10.516
<v Speaker 2>like guitar parts I do on this album. I mean,

0:24:11.436 --> 0:24:14.476
<v Speaker 2>I have to play so much bad stuff to find

0:24:14.516 --> 0:24:18.076
<v Speaker 2>the good stuff, like embarrassingly, so you know, like for

0:24:18.156 --> 0:24:20.796
<v Speaker 2>like hours and then sometimes it's quicker and sometimes it's not.

0:24:20.916 --> 0:24:21.436
<v Speaker 1>But it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me to have that confidence to do

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<v Speaker 2>it in other settings.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have days then where it's like really working,

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<v Speaker 1>like it almost comes scarily easy, like ever, nothing ever

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<v Speaker 1>feels easy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I definitely have days where I get enough confidence

0:24:43.036 --> 0:24:48.996
<v Speaker 2>where I feel like maybe I'm not a mediocre piece

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<v Speaker 2>of shit, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I actually am.

0:24:53.236 --> 0:24:55.876
<v Speaker 2>I remember turning I think it is to my wife

0:24:55.916 --> 0:24:57.996
<v Speaker 2>and I was like after recording this, and I was like,

0:24:59.356 --> 0:25:02.436
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe I can I know how to write a

0:25:02.476 --> 0:25:04.996
<v Speaker 2>song or something like that. I kept saying, like I've

0:25:04.996 --> 0:25:07.236
<v Speaker 2>done it this many times, like I got it. There's

0:25:07.236 --> 0:25:10.596
<v Speaker 2>got to be something there, right, Yeah, it's hard to

0:25:12.796 --> 0:25:15.876
<v Speaker 2>the creative world can be hard. You set your own

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<v Speaker 2>boundaries and disciplines, and there's a lot of time to

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<v Speaker 2>be just destructive. And there's a lot of times for

0:25:27.996 --> 0:25:30.276
<v Speaker 2>my my that inner voice I've been working on for

0:25:30.316 --> 0:25:32.916
<v Speaker 2>a long time. It's just we all everyone has their

0:25:32.956 --> 0:25:34.196
<v Speaker 2>inner voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's a rough voice. Your invoice, Yeah, yeah.

0:25:43.116 --> 0:25:46.756
<v Speaker 2>So it's it can be it can be hard sometimes sometimes.

0:25:46.916 --> 0:25:48.996
<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, I do want to find someone to

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<v Speaker 2>like help me get over some some hurdles.

0:25:51.596 --> 0:25:51.836
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

0:25:52.076 --> 0:25:54.516
<v Speaker 2>I'm really good at being told what to do and

0:25:54.556 --> 0:25:57.116
<v Speaker 2>I'll go do it, yeah, and and do it. But

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<v Speaker 2>if I have to like figure out I reads, like

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<v Speaker 2>reading the instructions and like you tell me, if I

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<v Speaker 2>do A B and C, I'll get to D.

0:26:06.756 --> 0:26:08.916
<v Speaker 1>Then I'll do a B and C. But if I

0:26:08.956 --> 0:26:10.836
<v Speaker 1>have to guess that AB and C gets to D

0:26:11.876 --> 0:26:13.676
<v Speaker 1>and two months of gone by and I haven't one

0:26:13.716 --> 0:26:17.396
<v Speaker 1>to D, Yeah, am I doing it wrong? Yeah? I don't.

0:26:17.636 --> 0:26:21.356
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing with food and working out. When

0:26:21.396 --> 0:26:24.276
<v Speaker 2>someone told me what I had to do to achieve

0:26:24.316 --> 0:26:26.116
<v Speaker 2>certain things that I wanted to and why it works,

0:26:26.316 --> 0:26:29.276
<v Speaker 2>it's great. Yeah, I'll just follow what you're saying and

0:26:29.316 --> 0:26:31.676
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to But if I had did like guess,

0:26:31.996 --> 0:26:35.276
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably give up because I wouldn't see the results.

0:26:35.276 --> 0:26:36.636
<v Speaker 2>I would feel like I was doing it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how did you early when you first picked up guitar, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you get through that? I don't know. It's

0:26:44.196 --> 0:26:44.876
<v Speaker 1>a good question.

0:26:46.276 --> 0:26:50.116
<v Speaker 2>Maybe early on was different because you're well, it's different

0:26:50.156 --> 0:26:52.196
<v Speaker 2>in the same so there was I was still pretty

0:26:52.196 --> 0:26:54.756
<v Speaker 2>private about it. I wasn't like I had friends or

0:26:54.796 --> 0:26:56.636
<v Speaker 2>people in my school who were like, I play music

0:26:56.716 --> 0:26:59.036
<v Speaker 2>or write songs, and they'd play you their songs like.

0:26:59.036 --> 0:27:01.796
<v Speaker 1>I never did that. I wouldn't sit down and like

0:27:02.076 --> 0:27:04.996
<v Speaker 1>play someone a bunch of my songs. You aren't at

0:27:05.036 --> 0:27:06.356
<v Speaker 1>like lunch playing.

0:27:06.796 --> 0:27:08.916
<v Speaker 2>People with those people who were like, oh I wrote this,

0:27:09.116 --> 0:27:12.476
<v Speaker 2>I do it like the what's it called?

0:27:12.596 --> 0:27:16.316
<v Speaker 1>We remember? You'd have like class squads or whatever, yeah.

0:27:16.196 --> 0:27:20.356
<v Speaker 2>School meetings and someone would be like, oh, the assembly

0:27:20.396 --> 0:27:21.916
<v Speaker 2>and this guy wants to play the song. Like that

0:27:21.996 --> 0:27:25.876
<v Speaker 2>was not me, like, not that I didn't want to

0:27:25.876 --> 0:27:28.716
<v Speaker 2>be like that. It wasn't like I was like but

0:27:28.796 --> 0:27:30.716
<v Speaker 2>I just like, yeah, I didn't feel confident like that.

0:27:30.796 --> 0:27:32.796
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, well, and then and then when

0:27:32.796 --> 0:27:34.476
<v Speaker 1>you're not confident, the part of you is like fuck

0:27:34.516 --> 0:27:38.396
<v Speaker 1>that kid, Yeah, of course you know, well you kind

0:27:38.436 --> 0:27:38.836
<v Speaker 1>of gauge.

0:27:38.836 --> 0:27:41.836
<v Speaker 2>You're like, does everyone It's like it's good too because

0:27:41.836 --> 0:27:45.476
<v Speaker 2>you're just like, what don't people like about it? Because

0:27:45.476 --> 0:27:48.276
<v Speaker 2>he has confidence and able to do it? So what

0:27:48.476 --> 0:27:51.796
<v Speaker 2>is rubbing the wrong way? And so you learned something

0:27:51.796 --> 0:27:52.196
<v Speaker 2>from that?

0:27:52.436 --> 0:27:55.076
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I started playing. It takes a while

0:27:55.116 --> 0:27:57.836
<v Speaker 1>to get barchoards. I stuck with it.

0:27:58.916 --> 0:28:02.956
<v Speaker 2>I really learned a lot when I joined the band.

0:28:02.996 --> 0:28:07.196
<v Speaker 2>I became like, I feel like I've discovered myself amongst

0:28:08.036 --> 0:28:09.516
<v Speaker 2>the other four.

0:28:09.836 --> 0:28:10.956
<v Speaker 1>They're all very.

0:28:10.796 --> 0:28:17.596
<v Speaker 2>Talented and quick and intense. I really like discovered what

0:28:17.716 --> 0:28:20.756
<v Speaker 2>I liked and who I was in playing with them

0:28:20.756 --> 0:28:25.596
<v Speaker 2>and even in whatever songs that Julian Road or parts

0:28:25.636 --> 0:28:29.316
<v Speaker 2>that people had, or you know, learning to how you

0:28:29.396 --> 0:28:30.716
<v Speaker 2>fit in.

0:28:31.196 --> 0:28:35.636
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can play a a a barchoord and

0:28:35.636 --> 0:28:41.116
<v Speaker 1>there's like, you know, three or four other solid positions

0:28:41.156 --> 0:28:43.156
<v Speaker 1>to play it in that are more exciting than.

0:28:43.036 --> 0:28:45.356
<v Speaker 2>That a bar choord. A barchoord works really well for

0:28:45.396 --> 0:28:49.036
<v Speaker 2>a certain thing riff is happening. But then I found

0:28:49.076 --> 0:28:54.956
<v Speaker 2>like different inversions and I realized, like inversions change everything.

0:28:55.276 --> 0:28:58.356
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just opens up a whole new door.

0:28:58.396 --> 0:29:01.876
<v Speaker 2>At first, it was just like a third over, like

0:29:01.956 --> 0:29:05.636
<v Speaker 2>you know, like three, five one, and then piano inversions

0:29:05.636 --> 0:29:07.996
<v Speaker 2>started coming in, and then that's like where I am now.

0:29:08.076 --> 0:29:12.116
<v Speaker 2>I feel like those different versions allow me to they

0:29:12.156 --> 0:29:13.756
<v Speaker 2>all come from me a little lazy.

0:29:13.956 --> 0:29:15.956
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to move so much. Yeah you can, you.

0:29:16.436 --> 0:29:18.556
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh I look this minor here, and then there's this.

0:29:18.836 --> 0:29:23.516
<v Speaker 2>The progressions of guitar are all are all right there,

0:29:23.596 --> 0:29:26.276
<v Speaker 2>so it's like I mean, not always, but it just

0:29:26.356 --> 0:29:30.356
<v Speaker 2>it can lean itself to new sounds and stuff like that.

0:29:30.476 --> 0:29:32.756
<v Speaker 2>So like I think when I started, I didn't know

0:29:32.796 --> 0:29:35.476
<v Speaker 2>what I was doing, not that anyone else in.

0:29:35.396 --> 0:29:35.916
<v Speaker 1>The band knew.

0:29:36.956 --> 0:29:40.596
<v Speaker 2>We all kind of like discovered knowing that together. I

0:29:40.596 --> 0:29:44.476
<v Speaker 2>remember early on though in La and first hearing god

0:29:44.556 --> 0:29:47.956
<v Speaker 2>By Voices and I was sixteen, and maybe it was

0:29:47.996 --> 0:29:51.596
<v Speaker 2>like hearing that band that was like the you said,

0:29:51.596 --> 0:29:53.596
<v Speaker 2>how did you keep going? So I probably, you know,

0:29:53.676 --> 0:29:57.596
<v Speaker 2>thirteen fourteen, maybe as young as twelve, learning stuff, but

0:29:57.676 --> 0:30:02.036
<v Speaker 2>like not really committed. Fourteen fifteen you're more committed. You know,

0:30:02.036 --> 0:30:05.196
<v Speaker 2>it's like ninth grade, you know, first getting stone and

0:30:05.356 --> 0:30:07.516
<v Speaker 2>life just changes and you hear music and you become

0:30:07.516 --> 0:30:08.156
<v Speaker 2>a different person.

0:30:08.236 --> 0:30:12.556
<v Speaker 1>Feels like overnight, you watch movies and you're like these

0:30:12.596 --> 0:30:15.076
<v Speaker 1>people are incredible movie. What am I doing?

0:30:15.116 --> 0:30:16.476
<v Speaker 2>And I went to like a private school, and you

0:30:16.516 --> 0:30:19.956
<v Speaker 2>just like everyone's so boring. At no offense to people

0:30:19.956 --> 0:30:22.316
<v Speaker 2>in my school, it was just like they're all so nice.

0:30:22.356 --> 0:30:26.836
<v Speaker 2>I just mean, like the conversation was always just like college, married,

0:30:27.476 --> 0:30:31.076
<v Speaker 2>make money, and so it just felt like there had to.

0:30:31.036 --> 0:30:31.796
<v Speaker 1>Be more.

0:30:33.076 --> 0:30:37.156
<v Speaker 2>To it than that, and it all felt like so

0:30:37.636 --> 0:30:41.276
<v Speaker 2>planned out. I just remember, like I at sixteen and

0:30:41.276 --> 0:30:43.996
<v Speaker 2>then I got my voices were like some a band

0:30:44.036 --> 0:30:46.316
<v Speaker 2>where I heard and I know everyone talks about their

0:30:46.356 --> 0:30:49.836
<v Speaker 2>low fidelity. I didn't listen to them like, oh this

0:30:49.916 --> 0:30:54.076
<v Speaker 2>is low fidelity. I just heard amazing melodies and songs

0:30:54.236 --> 0:30:57.996
<v Speaker 2>and like words and it hit me. It was like

0:30:58.116 --> 0:31:01.996
<v Speaker 2>visceral music that hit my gut, that made me feel

0:31:02.036 --> 0:31:04.916
<v Speaker 2>different as a person, like I walked down the street

0:31:05.076 --> 0:31:07.796
<v Speaker 2>with a different attitude. And I think it's when you

0:31:07.836 --> 0:31:11.916
<v Speaker 2>find stuff like that you feel like they're just game changers.

0:31:11.956 --> 0:31:15.316
<v Speaker 2>You're like I was just like, I will find a way.

0:31:15.716 --> 0:31:17.316
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter I need to be the kid at

0:31:17.316 --> 0:31:21.236
<v Speaker 2>the assembly. I don't need to I'll find my way.

0:31:21.556 --> 0:31:25.796
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah. Once you found guided by Voices, did

0:31:25.876 --> 0:31:28.756
<v Speaker 1>similar sounds continue to excite you or did you sort

0:31:28.756 --> 0:31:31.996
<v Speaker 1>of go like, you know, some people have an evolution

0:31:32.076 --> 0:31:34.916
<v Speaker 1>where they discover something. They're like like guided by voices,

0:31:34.956 --> 0:31:37.556
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, like, well they liked you know,

0:31:38.156 --> 0:31:40.636
<v Speaker 1>I don't know Susie and in the banshees or whatever, they

0:31:41.596 --> 0:31:42.476
<v Speaker 1>will just keep going.

0:31:42.316 --> 0:31:44.716
<v Speaker 2>Forward or I don't, Oh no, I find I definitely

0:31:44.756 --> 0:31:48.076
<v Speaker 2>found people like that. I had a close friend named

0:31:48.076 --> 0:31:52.476
<v Speaker 2>Matt Rivetto who was like my slightly older and he

0:31:52.636 --> 0:31:57.436
<v Speaker 2>was like my style and music like icon, you know,

0:31:57.476 --> 0:31:59.316
<v Speaker 2>he was like eighteen, I was sixteen. I just like

0:31:59.396 --> 0:32:03.476
<v Speaker 2>looked up to him at the coolest hair, dressed like

0:32:03.516 --> 0:32:07.636
<v Speaker 2>these weird thrift suits, and I was just like, this

0:32:07.716 --> 0:32:11.836
<v Speaker 2>guy is amazing, and yeah, he would show me stuff

0:32:11.876 --> 0:32:14.676
<v Speaker 2>and it was amazing to see, like like.

0:32:14.596 --> 0:32:16.356
<v Speaker 1>The modern Lovers.

0:32:17.076 --> 0:32:20.836
<v Speaker 2>That band had the guitars and keyboard and talking heads

0:32:22.036 --> 0:32:25.196
<v Speaker 2>and the drummer in the cars, you know, and.

0:32:25.156 --> 0:32:28.356
<v Speaker 1>So it's like and you just start you start going

0:32:28.396 --> 0:32:29.396
<v Speaker 1>to that. You say Elvis.

0:32:29.116 --> 0:32:32.316
<v Speaker 2>Costello and then like Nick Lowe because he produced it,

0:32:32.716 --> 0:32:35.876
<v Speaker 2>and you hear his songs and you're just like, oh wow,

0:32:35.916 --> 0:32:39.276
<v Speaker 2>he was like such an interesting songwriter. And then those

0:32:39.316 --> 0:32:44.196
<v Speaker 2>songs are similar to like Squeeze, but those early time

0:32:44.276 --> 0:32:47.036
<v Speaker 2>with like guy to have voices was probably like in

0:32:47.116 --> 0:32:50.596
<v Speaker 2>that same world would be like built to spill. They

0:32:50.596 --> 0:32:53.756
<v Speaker 2>were very moving for me. They covered Someday at Irving

0:32:53.796 --> 0:32:57.596
<v Speaker 2>Plaza in like two thousand and one or two. We

0:32:57.676 --> 0:33:01.236
<v Speaker 2>came to see them and they scribbled it from the

0:33:01.236 --> 0:33:03.716
<v Speaker 2>set list. I mean, we didn't see it, and we're like, oh,

0:33:03.716 --> 0:33:05.716
<v Speaker 2>it's so weird that they were scribbling. I know they

0:33:05.716 --> 0:33:09.556
<v Speaker 2>get stoned and maybe they got weird. But but and

0:33:09.596 --> 0:33:11.716
<v Speaker 2>then they covered it and it was like the best.

0:33:11.756 --> 0:33:13.876
<v Speaker 2>You know, normally when someone covers a song, you're just like,

0:33:14.836 --> 0:33:19.556
<v Speaker 2>thanks for ruining it. They did such an amazing job.

0:33:19.796 --> 0:33:21.676
<v Speaker 2>It was like I was like anything. Jill and I

0:33:21.756 --> 0:33:24.396
<v Speaker 2>were like crying at the show. It was so good.

0:33:24.716 --> 0:33:26.196
<v Speaker 1>It was great, man.

0:33:26.876 --> 0:33:30.996
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, just an amazing band right with like songs. Yeah,

0:33:30.996 --> 0:33:33.956
<v Speaker 2>who else was in there? I mean so many people,

0:33:33.996 --> 0:33:40.076
<v Speaker 2>you know, the The Cure of the Cars, the Beatles, Stones.

0:33:41.356 --> 0:33:43.076
<v Speaker 2>But I also grew up with like Phil Collins and

0:33:43.116 --> 0:33:46.476
<v Speaker 2>Elton John when I was like nine ten. I love

0:33:46.556 --> 0:33:48.796
<v Speaker 2>those songs, So I bet part of me still has

0:33:48.836 --> 0:33:52.196
<v Speaker 2>those like big eighties songs deep inside me.

0:33:52.516 --> 0:33:54.316
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, man.

0:33:54.516 --> 0:33:56.156
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't find it cheesy. I think they're just

0:33:56.196 --> 0:33:59.076
<v Speaker 2>like really good songs. Whitney Houston, Like I just I'm

0:33:59.116 --> 0:33:59.436
<v Speaker 2>just like.

0:33:59.476 --> 0:34:02.956
<v Speaker 1>Man, are you Whitney fan? Yeah? I love Whitney Houston. Man. Yeah,

0:34:03.156 --> 0:34:06.956
<v Speaker 1>amazing voice, I mean, my god, amazing voice. And also

0:34:07.156 --> 0:34:10.116
<v Speaker 1>like could go really big and like do like the

0:34:10.636 --> 0:34:12.836
<v Speaker 1>I have an incredible voice thing. It could also just

0:34:12.876 --> 0:34:16.916
<v Speaker 1>be sing a song straight and just fucked you're so good.

0:34:17.436 --> 0:34:21.716
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, just an incredible This was around that time.

0:34:21.756 --> 0:34:25.556
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you slowly build. I have like an encyclopedia

0:34:25.636 --> 0:34:28.476
<v Speaker 2>of music. What's funny is that I got into music

0:34:28.516 --> 0:34:31.196
<v Speaker 2>at different stages, right, Like I remember being like my

0:34:31.276 --> 0:34:34.276
<v Speaker 2>early thirties and I got into the Misfits, and I

0:34:34.316 --> 0:34:37.476
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's a band you find when you're like fifteen. Yeah,

0:34:37.516 --> 0:34:40.556
<v Speaker 2>but like I feel like my fifteen was like thirty one.

0:34:41.636 --> 0:34:43.796
<v Speaker 2>Like I was like late to the late to Honestly,

0:34:43.796 --> 0:34:45.716
<v Speaker 2>it was late to the game. Like in my early thirties,

0:34:46.596 --> 0:34:49.636
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I need something like this in

0:34:49.676 --> 0:34:51.276
<v Speaker 2>my set list when I play, I need some like

0:34:51.316 --> 0:34:52.196
<v Speaker 2>aggression like that.

0:34:52.236 --> 0:34:54.076
<v Speaker 1>And I spent like a whole.

0:34:54.716 --> 0:34:59.316
<v Speaker 2>Record trying to find my own versions of it. It's

0:34:59.396 --> 0:35:01.716
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't want to sound like the misfits, But

0:35:01.756 --> 0:35:03.956
<v Speaker 2>I just I liked the vibe that it was. It

0:35:03.996 --> 0:35:06.956
<v Speaker 2>was coming off right, and I so, I mean, it's

0:35:07.116 --> 0:35:09.116
<v Speaker 2>it's funny to have that delay, because I did feel

0:35:09.236 --> 0:35:11.996
<v Speaker 2>like that's something when you have like a teenage anks

0:35:12.076 --> 0:35:14.076
<v Speaker 2>usually and I had that like.

0:35:15.756 --> 0:35:18.676
<v Speaker 1>An angst in my early thirties. Sometimes I rediscover my

0:35:18.756 --> 0:35:20.476
<v Speaker 1>teenage angst. I don't know why I was. I mean,

0:35:21.076 --> 0:35:22.756
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to a lot of your solo records

0:35:22.796 --> 0:35:25.076
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of Stroke stuff in the last few days,

0:35:25.116 --> 0:35:27.516
<v Speaker 1>and then for some reason on the way here, I

0:35:27.596 --> 0:35:29.956
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was because of listening to you

0:35:30.036 --> 0:35:33.076
<v Speaker 1>got your music or what, but I just was compelled

0:35:33.076 --> 0:35:35.636
<v Speaker 1>to put on Black Sabbath, which is so cool. You know.

0:35:36.036 --> 0:35:37.876
<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes it just comes on and it's like cool, but

0:35:37.996 --> 0:35:40.676
<v Speaker 1>actually put it on this time, and uh, I was

0:35:40.716 --> 0:35:43.076
<v Speaker 1>like fuck. I feel like yeah, I feel like fuck, fuck.

0:35:42.916 --> 0:35:45.636
<v Speaker 2>The world, you know, like there's such a there's such

0:35:45.636 --> 0:35:50.116
<v Speaker 2>a cool, interesting band. I feel like sometimes they're they're

0:35:50.276 --> 0:35:53.636
<v Speaker 2>like logo or what people think they are because time

0:35:53.676 --> 0:35:56.876
<v Speaker 2>has passed and people have been inspired by them. But

0:35:56.956 --> 0:36:02.276
<v Speaker 2>they're very melodic band. Yeah, and like this stuff is

0:36:02.316 --> 0:36:05.956
<v Speaker 2>like not that distorted or dirty. It's like a very

0:36:05.996 --> 0:36:10.436
<v Speaker 2>it's very straightforward. It's not theatrical. Maybe that's why it

0:36:10.516 --> 0:36:12.716
<v Speaker 2>lasted the test of time a little more, because it's

0:36:12.756 --> 0:36:15.756
<v Speaker 2>like and he has a very he discovered early on

0:36:15.916 --> 0:36:18.036
<v Speaker 2>his voice right away, so as soon as you hear it,

0:36:18.076 --> 0:36:20.596
<v Speaker 2>you're just like, yeah, it's a hook in itself. Yes,

0:36:20.916 --> 0:36:27.236
<v Speaker 2>you know, even on a solo, stuff was crazy train crazy, yeah, solo, Yeah.

0:36:26.956 --> 0:36:29.316
<v Speaker 1>It was that. Randy Rhodes play guitars. Yeah, such a

0:36:29.396 --> 0:36:31.116
<v Speaker 1>guitar player. Such a guitar player.

0:36:31.276 --> 0:36:33.236
<v Speaker 2>I don't forget the leads so because sometimes when it's

0:36:33.276 --> 0:36:35.636
<v Speaker 2>like so much fire, it's like cool, I know, you

0:36:35.676 --> 0:36:36.396
<v Speaker 2>play very fast.

0:36:36.476 --> 0:36:40.236
<v Speaker 1>But just like the.

0:36:38.796 --> 0:36:42.996
<v Speaker 2>Verse licks that he's doing in there are like I mean,

0:36:43.236 --> 0:36:45.676
<v Speaker 2>like I could just listen to that and that'd be enough.

0:36:45.836 --> 0:36:47.876
<v Speaker 2>You'd like, yeah, you have an amazing song. You don't

0:36:47.916 --> 0:36:50.796
<v Speaker 2>need to play anything else. But yeah, no, he really

0:36:50.836 --> 0:36:52.916
<v Speaker 2>got it. He knows his vocal sound.

0:36:53.316 --> 0:36:55.956
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. No one tried a lot of people copy

0:36:56.036 --> 0:36:58.596
<v Speaker 1>Black Sabbath, but doesn't seem like anyone really tried to copy.

0:36:58.796 --> 0:37:03.396
<v Speaker 1>They did not. But no, like that heavy guitar stuff

0:37:03.516 --> 0:37:10.316
<v Speaker 1>with like Azzi's sometimes sounds like you could be I know, yeah, yeah,

0:37:10.436 --> 0:37:10.956
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't.

0:37:11.156 --> 0:37:14.036
<v Speaker 2>Like that's where I feel like people got influenced by it,

0:37:14.116 --> 0:37:16.836
<v Speaker 2>but then they they took a part of it that

0:37:16.876 --> 0:37:19.756
<v Speaker 2>I don't hear when I listen when I when I

0:37:19.836 --> 0:37:21.076
<v Speaker 2>listen to and.

0:37:21.036 --> 0:37:23.276
<v Speaker 1>Even the drums, like the drums are really loose, like

0:37:23.316 --> 0:37:25.516
<v Speaker 1>they're cool that there's a lot of parts, but like

0:37:25.556 --> 0:37:28.996
<v Speaker 1>it feels also loose and I don't know jazz like jazzy,

0:37:29.076 --> 0:37:30.156
<v Speaker 1>I guess, you know, very cool.

0:37:30.156 --> 0:37:34.196
<v Speaker 2>They're a very cool fan I also got into later

0:37:34.236 --> 0:37:37.156
<v Speaker 2>in life. Yeah, just that happens. Like I also like

0:37:37.276 --> 0:37:42.196
<v Speaker 2>this never a fan of led Zeppelin to this day

0:37:43.556 --> 0:37:45.996
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't move me. Wow, just like.

0:37:46.036 --> 0:37:49.596
<v Speaker 1>No part of it. I mean, they're all amazing musicians.

0:37:49.836 --> 0:37:50.996
<v Speaker 1>I'm not crazy.

0:37:51.156 --> 0:37:54.676
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm It's just not something that I put on

0:37:54.716 --> 0:37:55.556
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like.

0:37:57.356 --> 0:37:59.036
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't give meaning to me.

0:37:59.476 --> 0:38:01.596
<v Speaker 2>I know people are they're like wow, really, I'm like,

0:38:01.676 --> 0:38:03.036
<v Speaker 2>I know, I've tried.

0:38:03.116 --> 0:38:04.796
<v Speaker 1>I almost feel they're a part of it that you

0:38:04.836 --> 0:38:06.716
<v Speaker 1>don't like when you hear it is you're like, oh

0:38:06.756 --> 0:38:08.036
<v Speaker 1>fuck that annoys me or this.

0:38:08.276 --> 0:38:10.836
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a huge fan of the of the vocals.

0:38:12.036 --> 0:38:14.756
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that all bands, even ones I

0:38:14.756 --> 0:38:17.916
<v Speaker 2>don't they got some great songs and I listen to

0:38:18.116 --> 0:38:20.076
<v Speaker 2>parts and like they have it, but as a whole,

0:38:20.116 --> 0:38:22.796
<v Speaker 2>like I don't like put it. There's a few bands

0:38:22.796 --> 0:38:26.396
<v Speaker 2>that are like that. People are like blown away. I

0:38:26.436 --> 0:38:29.916
<v Speaker 2>never really got into Pink Floyd. I love some of

0:38:29.916 --> 0:38:32.396
<v Speaker 2>the guitar playing those with the solos. I would totally

0:38:33.156 --> 0:38:36.716
<v Speaker 2>the Benz the literal bends that sounded like the radio

0:38:36.756 --> 0:38:38.756
<v Speaker 2>Head out but like the way they would bend or

0:38:38.796 --> 0:38:41.196
<v Speaker 2>do something like I would like, Ooh, I like that,

0:38:41.356 --> 0:38:43.356
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like because I'm definitely one

0:38:43.396 --> 0:38:46.116
<v Speaker 2>that just because I don't like something wouldn't mean I

0:38:46.156 --> 0:38:49.116
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't reference a drum pattern from led Zeppelin and be like,

0:38:49.196 --> 0:38:51.796
<v Speaker 2>oh that's cool, let's do something like that. Yeah, I

0:38:51.956 --> 0:38:53.796
<v Speaker 2>just they're just what I mean is don't like is

0:38:53.836 --> 0:38:56.436
<v Speaker 2>like I never They never moved me like I was

0:38:56.436 --> 0:38:59.196
<v Speaker 2>describing God to my voices, where I like it gave

0:38:59.196 --> 0:39:00.516
<v Speaker 2>me attitude to walk around.

0:39:00.556 --> 0:39:00.916
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

0:39:00.956 --> 0:39:03.116
<v Speaker 2>I never felt that I'm waiting. I'm still waiting for

0:39:03.156 --> 0:39:06.396
<v Speaker 2>the day. The Smiths never got into them. Everyone's like, wow, really,

0:39:07.516 --> 0:39:10.436
<v Speaker 2>who's another one that everyone's kind of radiohead?

0:39:12.876 --> 0:39:17.076
<v Speaker 1>Fuck? Great radio as amazing song.

0:39:18.716 --> 0:39:20.796
<v Speaker 2>That I would listen to for sure, but I've never

0:39:20.876 --> 0:39:22.636
<v Speaker 2>like put on one of their records and.

0:39:22.556 --> 0:39:26.916
<v Speaker 1>Like luxuriated in the Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely songs where

0:39:26.916 --> 0:39:30.076
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is it the feeling? I honestly have no.

0:39:30.436 --> 0:39:32.876
<v Speaker 1>I have no clue you think I want to be

0:39:32.916 --> 0:39:35.156
<v Speaker 1>outside of it. I want to be on the inside.

0:39:36.196 --> 0:39:37.916
<v Speaker 1>It's to be super clear.

0:39:37.956 --> 0:39:41.476
<v Speaker 2>I don't dislike all these bands are incredible.

0:39:41.516 --> 0:39:42.196
<v Speaker 1>It's just your takes.

0:39:42.316 --> 0:39:44.836
<v Speaker 2>I would be honored to be in any of these

0:39:44.876 --> 0:39:46.796
<v Speaker 2>bands or even come close as a musician.

0:39:47.476 --> 0:39:49.476
<v Speaker 1>Nothing to do with that. You don't think you're better.

0:39:49.636 --> 0:39:54.596
<v Speaker 1>I like parts and songs of theirs, all of it.

0:39:54.596 --> 0:39:56.796
<v Speaker 1>It's just these are just it's funny that they are

0:39:57.636 --> 0:40:01.756
<v Speaker 1>bands that have created something for other people that I

0:40:01.836 --> 0:40:05.236
<v Speaker 1>didn't get that didn't happen to me yet. That's all.

0:40:05.276 --> 0:40:07.636
<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing I'm saying. Like, did you hate

0:40:07.636 --> 0:40:09.556
<v Speaker 1>the Misfits until you heard them? I didn't.

0:40:10.396 --> 0:40:14.596
<v Speaker 2>Wait, I didn't say I hated anyone. I hadn't heard

0:40:14.596 --> 0:40:16.756
<v Speaker 2>of the Misfits. No, when I was a teenager, I

0:40:16.796 --> 0:40:19.516
<v Speaker 2>didn't know the mis I literally discovered them, Like, who

0:40:19.596 --> 0:40:20.156
<v Speaker 2>is this band?

0:40:20.196 --> 0:40:24.996
<v Speaker 1>This is amazing? You remember what song was? Uh? Last Caress?

0:40:26.156 --> 0:40:28.396
<v Speaker 1>And I was just like how did I not know this?

0:40:29.476 --> 0:40:31.436
<v Speaker 1>And then I proceeded to write like three or four

0:40:31.476 --> 0:40:34.796
<v Speaker 1>demos that it was like trying to be I even

0:40:34.836 --> 0:40:36.436
<v Speaker 1>covered that song live for a little bit.

0:40:36.596 --> 0:40:38.356
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't hate any of those bands

0:40:38.356 --> 0:40:41.356
<v Speaker 2>that I said. I think they're amazing. It's just like

0:40:41.436 --> 0:40:45.516
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't resonate. Yeah, And that doesn't like mean there's

0:40:45.556 --> 0:40:50.356
<v Speaker 2>probably even other bands. There's bands I like, uh song

0:40:50.436 --> 0:40:53.156
<v Speaker 2>from songs from them are amazing that I I might

0:40:53.196 --> 0:40:56.836
<v Speaker 2>have had moments with them. You can't have a moment

0:40:56.876 --> 0:40:59.356
<v Speaker 2>with everything. And sometimes it's just like how That's why

0:40:59.676 --> 0:41:03.156
<v Speaker 2>reviewing a record's kind of funny, because you know, like

0:41:03.356 --> 0:41:05.316
<v Speaker 2>how many times have you listened to your favorite songs?

0:41:05.356 --> 0:41:07.396
<v Speaker 2>And some days you're kind of like hu, and other

0:41:07.476 --> 0:41:10.156
<v Speaker 2>days you're like you could be crying or like it's connected.

0:41:10.236 --> 0:41:12.356
<v Speaker 2>You're in the matrix and you're like stopping the bullets.

0:41:13.076 --> 0:41:16.796
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then there's there's there's there's groups that I

0:41:16.836 --> 0:41:19.756
<v Speaker 1>dislike and songs that I songs at least that I

0:41:19.796 --> 0:41:22.356
<v Speaker 1>intensely hate. But then once while I hear that song

0:41:23.276 --> 0:41:25.796
<v Speaker 1>coming through the window or something random, and I'm like, fuck,

0:41:25.876 --> 0:41:27.956
<v Speaker 1>this sounds really good. It happened recently and I can't

0:41:27.956 --> 0:41:29.956
<v Speaker 1>remember wish I could remember what song it was, And

0:41:30.036 --> 0:41:31.876
<v Speaker 1>I was like, fuck, do I like maybe I kind

0:41:31.876 --> 0:41:32.956
<v Speaker 1>of like.

0:41:32.276 --> 0:41:35.396
<v Speaker 2>I like this, That's what I'm waiting for. That's what

0:41:35.436 --> 0:41:39.596
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm it's it's come. It's definitely come close on

0:41:39.636 --> 0:41:43.036
<v Speaker 2>some of on some of those, they've all turned around

0:41:43.036 --> 0:41:44.316
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, except for led Zepp.

0:41:46.836 --> 0:41:48.916
<v Speaker 1>Are people tempted to try to turn you like.

0:41:48.876 --> 0:41:53.716
<v Speaker 2>They're always blown away. They that's the last thing they

0:41:53.756 --> 0:41:58.236
<v Speaker 2>would think that I would, I would say, And then

0:41:58.276 --> 0:42:00.516
<v Speaker 2>some people are like, you know what, I get it.

0:42:01.116 --> 0:42:03.716
<v Speaker 1>I get it. But still I want to make it

0:42:03.916 --> 0:42:07.636
<v Speaker 1>super clear that I think they're amazing musicians.

0:42:07.676 --> 0:42:10.156
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm going to get I'm just waiting

0:42:10.756 --> 0:42:12.756
<v Speaker 2>for the hate I'm going to get on this.

0:42:13.276 --> 0:42:17.796
<v Speaker 1>They're amazing musicians. Some amazing I just mean.

0:42:17.796 --> 0:42:22.676
<v Speaker 2>Like the three hour show, some of the long jams,

0:42:22.876 --> 0:42:24.836
<v Speaker 2>some of like the vibe they went for.

0:42:25.956 --> 0:42:29.476
<v Speaker 1>Just it's not like what I'd want to play, you

0:42:29.516 --> 0:42:30.036
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean?

0:42:30.156 --> 0:42:33.796
<v Speaker 2>Like I'd rather like, I mean, look at my top

0:42:35.156 --> 0:42:37.916
<v Speaker 2>songs over here, what do you got to song? Like

0:42:37.956 --> 0:42:43.316
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather put on Philip Glass String Quartet number three,

0:42:43.476 --> 0:42:45.516
<v Speaker 2>Like I'd rather hear.

0:42:45.396 --> 0:42:48.756
<v Speaker 1>That we have to pause for another quick break, and

0:42:48.796 --> 0:42:50.916
<v Speaker 1>then we'll come back with the rest of my conversation

0:42:51.356 --> 0:42:59.396
<v Speaker 1>with Albert Hammond Jr. We're back with Albert Hammon Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think your critical voice makes you better, like

0:43:02.076 --> 0:43:06.036
<v Speaker 1>if you were being honest with yourself. I don't. It's

0:43:06.076 --> 0:43:09.116
<v Speaker 1>the same way. I don't think so people think.

0:43:10.636 --> 0:43:12.116
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's fun to do drugs, but people do

0:43:12.196 --> 0:43:14.236
<v Speaker 2>drugs and creating because it's like I need to be

0:43:14.436 --> 0:43:19.436
<v Speaker 2>like dark, right. I think you do need your shadow

0:43:19.516 --> 0:43:22.076
<v Speaker 2>and your dark side to create, but you don't need

0:43:22.156 --> 0:43:26.436
<v Speaker 2>to do drugs or be angry or have that stuff

0:43:26.476 --> 0:43:28.716
<v Speaker 2>to enter the shadow. I mean, the shadow is there

0:43:29.276 --> 0:43:32.036
<v Speaker 2>all the time, you know what I mean. I think

0:43:32.076 --> 0:43:38.236
<v Speaker 2>it's just embracing the shadow and like nurturing it and

0:43:38.316 --> 0:43:41.636
<v Speaker 2>like sucking that creative.

0:43:41.676 --> 0:43:44.876
<v Speaker 1>That's where like creation really is in there. You know.

0:43:45.196 --> 0:43:48.356
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I actually feel I can I feel like two

0:43:48.356 --> 0:43:50.396
<v Speaker 2>different people, like how I live my life and then

0:43:50.436 --> 0:43:52.916
<v Speaker 2>how I am when I create. It takes a second

0:43:52.956 --> 0:43:54.596
<v Speaker 2>to get in. Like the guy who pays the bills

0:43:54.676 --> 0:43:57.396
<v Speaker 2>or drives or you know, I like put stuff in

0:43:57.396 --> 0:44:02.476
<v Speaker 2>my calendar. I'm organized. That guy is not the guy creating.

0:44:03.596 --> 0:44:07.276
<v Speaker 2>You know, the guy creating is like more of a

0:44:07.836 --> 0:44:08.516
<v Speaker 2>more of a mess.

0:44:09.716 --> 0:44:10.956
<v Speaker 1>Does one feel more like you?

0:44:13.476 --> 0:44:15.756
<v Speaker 2>They both feel like me, but in fact that you

0:44:15.796 --> 0:44:18.676
<v Speaker 2>used always tell my therapist like I want to be

0:44:18.716 --> 0:44:20.876
<v Speaker 2>like Indiana Jones, but part of me feels like Indiana

0:44:20.916 --> 0:44:24.636
<v Speaker 2>Jones who's in the plastic box and the toy store,

0:44:24.676 --> 0:44:27.156
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm doing it, but I'm not actually living it.

0:44:27.436 --> 0:44:29.796
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, Like I used to be worse and

0:44:29.836 --> 0:44:33.476
<v Speaker 2>now I'm a little looser. But like I was like,

0:44:33.476 --> 0:44:36.476
<v Speaker 2>like I need to somehow enjoy the process more than

0:44:36.516 --> 0:44:40.756
<v Speaker 2>the end result. I noticed it in like getting something

0:44:40.836 --> 0:44:43.356
<v Speaker 2>ready in my in my house from moving. It's like

0:44:43.396 --> 0:44:45.476
<v Speaker 2>you just want to get it done, but then when

0:44:45.476 --> 0:44:48.516
<v Speaker 2>it's done, something else you have to do.

0:44:48.516 --> 0:44:48.996
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

0:44:49.276 --> 0:44:52.396
<v Speaker 2>If you don't enjoy getting there, that's all you have

0:44:52.756 --> 0:44:53.476
<v Speaker 2>is the getting there.

0:44:53.516 --> 0:44:56.756
<v Speaker 1>That's all. That's all we're all doing always. And so

0:44:56.796 --> 0:44:59.156
<v Speaker 1>when you think about the creative, like there's these two people.

0:44:59.196 --> 0:45:02.276
<v Speaker 1>The person who pays bills and drives and puts stuff

0:45:02.276 --> 0:45:04.756
<v Speaker 1>on your calendar, and then there's the creative person. The

0:45:04.796 --> 0:45:08.156
<v Speaker 1>creative person or the person who's creating. Is that the

0:45:08.196 --> 0:45:11.116
<v Speaker 1>same person that goes like on tour, when you tour.

0:45:11.156 --> 0:45:14.996
<v Speaker 2>No, no, the person on Maybe sometimes on stage you

0:45:15.036 --> 0:45:18.876
<v Speaker 2>can get lost in it, but being on stage isn't

0:45:19.036 --> 0:45:22.956
<v Speaker 2>like you know people like, oh just got flow and

0:45:22.996 --> 0:45:25.636
<v Speaker 2>I just got caught into it. At least for me,

0:45:27.036 --> 0:45:30.436
<v Speaker 2>stage is like the way someone describes playing a tennis match,

0:45:31.836 --> 0:45:37.796
<v Speaker 2>fucking nailing it, gonna beat this guy. To just breathe

0:45:38.036 --> 0:45:40.436
<v Speaker 2>just because you didn't do something right. You don't fall

0:45:40.476 --> 0:45:46.916
<v Speaker 2>apart while looking like you belong there, never ever showing that.

0:45:46.956 --> 0:45:50.316
<v Speaker 2>But so it's like this inner thing that's just like

0:45:50.636 --> 0:45:53.156
<v Speaker 2>the amount of times I've had an amazing show has

0:45:53.196 --> 0:45:57.076
<v Speaker 2>gone from like starts strong, I feel like I'm falling apart,

0:45:57.116 --> 0:45:59.676
<v Speaker 2>and I come back, and then something happens and you

0:45:59.756 --> 0:46:03.156
<v Speaker 2>get lost, and then where you want to push the

0:46:03.196 --> 0:46:05.556
<v Speaker 2>crowd away, they go, and then you're able to bring

0:46:05.596 --> 0:46:08.916
<v Speaker 2>them back, and at the end you have more of

0:46:08.996 --> 0:46:12.996
<v Speaker 2>that than when you started, So you feel like you

0:46:12.996 --> 0:46:15.956
<v Speaker 2>did something right in there. That's usually like it's a

0:46:16.196 --> 0:46:18.956
<v Speaker 2>show is like a whole experience. That's why you're so

0:46:19.156 --> 0:46:20.196
<v Speaker 2>trained afterwards.

0:46:21.036 --> 0:46:23.556
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's never just like I went out there

0:46:23.596 --> 0:46:24.516
<v Speaker 1>and did my thing.

0:46:25.876 --> 0:46:29.196
<v Speaker 2>I wish that sounds amazing if doing your thing is

0:46:29.196 --> 0:46:32.076
<v Speaker 2>a ninety minute movie then yes, that's what happens with

0:46:32.236 --> 0:46:36.636
<v Speaker 2>ups and downs and curveballs, and like your show is

0:46:36.716 --> 0:46:39.676
<v Speaker 2>like your whole mix and so like, and sometimes you're not.

0:46:40.716 --> 0:46:42.516
<v Speaker 2>This is more of when I'm doing solo stuff. But

0:46:42.516 --> 0:46:44.476
<v Speaker 2>you're not at one hundred percent because you can't be.

0:46:44.596 --> 0:46:45.596
<v Speaker 2>You're on tour.

0:46:45.676 --> 0:46:46.436
<v Speaker 1>You're never going to be.

0:46:47.396 --> 0:46:49.916
<v Speaker 2>It's about learning how to be at like seventy percent,

0:46:50.236 --> 0:46:53.316
<v Speaker 2>but doing the show like you were at one hundred.

0:46:53.596 --> 0:46:55.476
<v Speaker 2>It really is like and that's kind of like the

0:46:55.596 --> 0:46:58.356
<v Speaker 2>secret to playing live music because it's never like you're

0:46:58.396 --> 0:47:01.996
<v Speaker 2>at home. I meditated for three weeks, took the perfect shower,

0:47:02.076 --> 0:47:03.996
<v Speaker 2>my hair is sitting just right. Let's just go do

0:47:04.076 --> 0:47:05.996
<v Speaker 2>a show. It's like that, except the next day you

0:47:06.036 --> 0:47:07.076
<v Speaker 2>have to do another.

0:47:06.796 --> 0:47:09.036
<v Speaker 1>One, and you have to somehow get to the next.

0:47:08.916 --> 0:47:11.756
<v Speaker 2>You're just like yeah, especially on the soul stuff, You're

0:47:11.796 --> 0:47:15.236
<v Speaker 2>just you're tired. Nothing that you wanted to do is

0:47:15.956 --> 0:47:17.076
<v Speaker 2>come out totally right.

0:47:18.036 --> 0:47:21.036
<v Speaker 1>Has a relationship between changed over timely? Does it evolve?

0:47:21.156 --> 0:47:23.396
<v Speaker 1>Is it like at first it was really fun and

0:47:23.436 --> 0:47:25.076
<v Speaker 1>then it became a drag and then it's.

0:47:25.876 --> 0:47:31.716
<v Speaker 2>Never I'm not jaded enough to not enjoy my life.

0:47:31.756 --> 0:47:33.556
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I was built to be a part

0:47:33.556 --> 0:47:37.076
<v Speaker 2>of a traveling circus cool, Like I do love it.

0:47:37.116 --> 0:47:42.596
<v Speaker 2>In many ways, you are going to not like things

0:47:42.636 --> 0:47:46.476
<v Speaker 2>that you love at some point inevitable. Still has been

0:47:46.516 --> 0:47:48.996
<v Speaker 2>moments where like, I love music and I would write

0:47:49.036 --> 0:47:53.916
<v Speaker 2>songs and record them even if I didn't play music anymore,

0:47:53.916 --> 0:47:55.956
<v Speaker 2>because I just can't. It's just I just do it.

0:47:55.996 --> 0:47:57.716
<v Speaker 2>I don't like I'm gonna sit and write. They just

0:47:57.756 --> 0:48:00.756
<v Speaker 2>like come out right. I don't think I could stop that.

0:48:01.396 --> 0:48:03.476
<v Speaker 2>But it's been moments where I've been like, man, imagine

0:48:03.476 --> 0:48:05.876
<v Speaker 2>if I like didn't play music or something else. So,

0:48:06.676 --> 0:48:10.956
<v Speaker 2>but I don't like dislike tour, and I've learned that

0:48:11.276 --> 0:48:14.396
<v Speaker 2>the longer you do it, it's different solo. In the

0:48:14.476 --> 0:48:18.916
<v Speaker 2>strokes of the luxury is that we have a big

0:48:18.956 --> 0:48:22.836
<v Speaker 2>fan base, and so like it's more comfortable to tour.

0:48:23.356 --> 0:48:24.716
<v Speaker 1>It's cool to reach new.

0:48:24.596 --> 0:48:26.556
<v Speaker 2>Areas you haven't even though you've been doing it for

0:48:26.596 --> 0:48:29.956
<v Speaker 2>twenty years. And it also when you've been doing it

0:48:29.996 --> 0:48:32.876
<v Speaker 2>that much. The high isn't so much from playing a

0:48:32.956 --> 0:48:36.796
<v Speaker 2>new song and having no one know it. The high

0:48:36.876 --> 0:48:41.236
<v Speaker 2>is like watching how people are absorbing stuff that you

0:48:41.316 --> 0:48:43.836
<v Speaker 2>know well and that they know, and then feeding off

0:48:43.876 --> 0:48:48.676
<v Speaker 2>of that energy. Playing a song that is clearly making

0:48:48.716 --> 0:48:50.956
<v Speaker 2>a crowd all feel nostalgic.

0:48:52.876 --> 0:48:55.756
<v Speaker 1>How could that? If that's jading you, then I don't know.

0:48:55.796 --> 0:48:58.756
<v Speaker 2>You gotta go do something because that's like, that's a

0:48:58.836 --> 0:49:00.756
<v Speaker 2>magical thing.

0:49:00.796 --> 0:49:01.436
<v Speaker 1>I feel lucky.

0:49:01.436 --> 0:49:03.996
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be part of that fabric when I

0:49:04.036 --> 0:49:05.756
<v Speaker 2>was a teenager and I fell in love with music,

0:49:06.596 --> 0:49:08.796
<v Speaker 2>and now to even have glimpses of being part of

0:49:08.796 --> 0:49:09.916
<v Speaker 2>that fat is.

0:49:12.196 --> 0:49:14.636
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unreal. It's really cool that you can have

0:49:14.676 --> 0:49:18.196
<v Speaker 1>that perspective on it while doing It's like you still

0:49:18.356 --> 0:49:20.716
<v Speaker 1>maintain the fan perspective in a way.

0:49:20.796 --> 0:49:22.556
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you have to, though I was saying

0:49:22.556 --> 0:49:26.636
<v Speaker 2>that it's like your innocence from it is going to

0:49:26.716 --> 0:49:31.076
<v Speaker 2>get beaten out pretty fast, just by the game you

0:49:31.116 --> 0:49:34.916
<v Speaker 2>have to play. All business is a game, right, and

0:49:35.036 --> 0:49:36.436
<v Speaker 2>when you fall in love with music, you have no

0:49:36.516 --> 0:49:38.436
<v Speaker 2>idea what that game is. But it's not what you

0:49:38.556 --> 0:49:40.596
<v Speaker 2>think it is, and it's not for the love of it.

0:49:42.276 --> 0:49:43.396
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's you know, this.

0:49:43.516 --> 0:49:46.516
<v Speaker 2>Stuff that you have to this stuff you have to do,

0:49:47.556 --> 0:49:51.156
<v Speaker 2>but that's that's okay if you get to like create

0:49:51.196 --> 0:49:54.676
<v Speaker 2>and do other things. Basically everything has a price, Yeah,

0:49:54.876 --> 0:49:58.036
<v Speaker 2>some at some point, small, big, very rarely is that

0:49:58.076 --> 0:50:01.156
<v Speaker 2>I create something so magical that there isn't there's still

0:50:01.236 --> 0:50:05.636
<v Speaker 2>even when you do that, there's still some price somewhere. Yeah,

0:50:05.716 --> 0:50:08.596
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, maybe you get tired of doing it,

0:50:08.676 --> 0:50:12.156
<v Speaker 2>so you have to rediscover how to not feel tired

0:50:12.196 --> 0:50:12.516
<v Speaker 2>from it.

0:50:12.876 --> 0:50:15.796
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. How much input do you have on planning a tour?

0:50:15.876 --> 0:50:17.436
<v Speaker 1>Like do you get to like say like I don't

0:50:17.476 --> 0:50:20.036
<v Speaker 1>really want to go there, or do like a festival

0:50:20.196 --> 0:50:22.716
<v Speaker 1>like in my in my Soul stuff or the Stroke stuff.

0:50:22.836 --> 0:50:26.716
<v Speaker 1>I guess both both. Yeah, I mean.

0:50:26.796 --> 0:50:30.196
<v Speaker 2>Touring wise, I would say Julian has the most say.

0:50:30.316 --> 0:50:33.476
<v Speaker 2>I would say most singers have the most say about it.

0:50:33.916 --> 0:50:36.916
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately that's kind of like or fortunately whatever that's like

0:50:38.276 --> 0:50:41.076
<v Speaker 2>make sense, That's that's part of it. I mean I

0:50:41.196 --> 0:50:44.596
<v Speaker 2>like festivals as like a cherry, you know. To me,

0:50:44.676 --> 0:50:50.036
<v Speaker 2>they're like they're fun when you're doing your own thing,

0:50:50.236 --> 0:50:51.876
<v Speaker 2>and then then then you get to do them because

0:50:51.876 --> 0:50:54.596
<v Speaker 2>they're like this crazy thing. When you just do them,

0:50:55.356 --> 0:50:58.396
<v Speaker 2>it can get dark because it's how you.

0:50:58.316 --> 0:50:58.916
<v Speaker 1>Have to look at it.

0:50:58.956 --> 0:51:01.276
<v Speaker 2>Like a festival crowd, you're gonna play a certain kind

0:51:01.276 --> 0:51:03.636
<v Speaker 2>of set list, you get seventy five minutes, you're gonna

0:51:03.636 --> 0:51:06.116
<v Speaker 2>play a set list that appeals more to a mass.

0:51:06.116 --> 0:51:09.276
<v Speaker 2>You're not really gonna take them too far. It's it's

0:51:09.276 --> 0:51:12.516
<v Speaker 2>too big. That's not the point of it. That's not

0:51:12.596 --> 0:51:16.476
<v Speaker 2>the vibe of the party. It's not like a Andy

0:51:16.516 --> 0:51:20.036
<v Speaker 2>Warhol party and there's a bunch of weird people invited.

0:51:20.156 --> 0:51:24.436
<v Speaker 2>It's like a very you know, it just it is

0:51:24.476 --> 0:51:27.356
<v Speaker 2>what it is. And then at your own show you

0:51:27.396 --> 0:51:29.436
<v Speaker 2>could have a little run of two or three songs

0:51:29.476 --> 0:51:32.556
<v Speaker 2>that you're almost purposely pushing people away to then bring

0:51:32.596 --> 0:51:34.076
<v Speaker 2>them back, or like this is where it's going to

0:51:34.156 --> 0:51:37.116
<v Speaker 2>dip down, and then we can wrap it back up

0:51:37.156 --> 0:51:39.436
<v Speaker 2>at the end and you can do something that you

0:51:39.436 --> 0:51:42.196
<v Speaker 2>can play some weirder songs for you, or do something

0:51:42.236 --> 0:51:44.516
<v Speaker 2>and can go, you can do a jam. You can

0:51:44.596 --> 0:51:46.556
<v Speaker 2>just have more fun with it. So I think when

0:51:46.596 --> 0:51:52.276
<v Speaker 2>you're doing that, eventually, like I said, with anything becomes boring.

0:51:52.316 --> 0:51:54.396
<v Speaker 2>And so the playing the straight ahead thing for the

0:51:54.476 --> 0:51:57.156
<v Speaker 2>giant audience, you're like, wow, I just played for the

0:51:57.236 --> 0:51:58.276
<v Speaker 2>sixty thousand people.

0:51:58.316 --> 0:52:03.236
<v Speaker 1>It's what a rush. So that variety it's helpful.

0:52:03.276 --> 0:52:05.076
<v Speaker 2>So I always just trying to say everything touring, I

0:52:05.076 --> 0:52:10.436
<v Speaker 2>always try to like want to have that balanced. But

0:52:10.516 --> 0:52:13.356
<v Speaker 2>between management and you know they figure it out. Well,

0:52:15.036 --> 0:52:17.396
<v Speaker 2>my stuff is different. It's like I'd like to tour places,

0:52:17.396 --> 0:52:20.036
<v Speaker 2>but it's unfortunately. This is what I tried to do

0:52:20.076 --> 0:52:21.996
<v Speaker 2>on this record was to have less of a band

0:52:22.036 --> 0:52:25.196
<v Speaker 2>and have more stuff on tracks and create Since I'm

0:52:25.196 --> 0:52:28.396
<v Speaker 2>not a band, I can create a weird world of

0:52:28.436 --> 0:52:30.796
<v Speaker 2>like a three piece band with tracks and just have

0:52:30.876 --> 0:52:36.116
<v Speaker 2>it be like weird or weirder than less straightforward than

0:52:36.156 --> 0:52:39.796
<v Speaker 2>just having like I've always had just players play everything.

0:52:40.436 --> 0:52:42.996
<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to be able to afford to

0:52:43.036 --> 0:52:46.436
<v Speaker 1>go on tour. It's very hard as.

0:52:46.476 --> 0:52:47.796
<v Speaker 2>Less people are like why don't you come here or

0:52:47.876 --> 0:52:51.276
<v Speaker 2>come there? It's like I always debate how to talk

0:52:51.276 --> 0:52:54.156
<v Speaker 2>about this because it's not like it's not a complaint,

0:52:54.996 --> 0:52:59.756
<v Speaker 2>it's more just like realities of reality, like the band

0:52:59.796 --> 0:53:01.556
<v Speaker 2>never feels stable enough.

0:53:02.236 --> 0:53:04.076
<v Speaker 1>To just sit there and enjoy.

0:53:04.356 --> 0:53:08.116
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like I never feel like I never saw it's

0:53:08.156 --> 0:53:15.196
<v Speaker 2>always like older brother. That's not negative positive, it's just

0:53:15.236 --> 0:53:21.636
<v Speaker 2>like my personalities reaction to this thing I exist in

0:53:22.116 --> 0:53:25.316
<v Speaker 2>the business, right you can't like you realize that touring

0:53:26.156 --> 0:53:29.876
<v Speaker 2>in some ways is a luxury, which is great. You're

0:53:29.916 --> 0:53:33.116
<v Speaker 2>a band that has an audience, like be grateful because

0:53:33.156 --> 0:53:35.156
<v Speaker 2>that's like, and you can if you can then make

0:53:35.196 --> 0:53:39.036
<v Speaker 2>money from that, that's an amazing gift. This other bands

0:53:39.036 --> 0:53:42.156
<v Speaker 2>that would want to do that and just just like can't.

0:53:42.876 --> 0:53:44.716
<v Speaker 1>I mean, i'd imagine people cold understand because even if

0:53:44.756 --> 0:53:46.076
<v Speaker 1>you work a regular job and you have to take

0:53:46.076 --> 0:53:48.796
<v Speaker 1>a business trip, you know, if the money's.

0:53:48.396 --> 0:53:52.676
<v Speaker 2>Not right, it's like it's always someone else paying musicians

0:53:53.276 --> 0:53:56.476
<v Speaker 2>like actors have businesses like we are the business even

0:53:56.596 --> 0:54:00.636
<v Speaker 2>at the highest level, Like who's the biggest They gross

0:54:00.676 --> 0:54:07.516
<v Speaker 2>crazy amounts of stones right right, they're still paying themselves company.

0:54:07.556 --> 0:54:09.836
<v Speaker 1>They might get an advance from a big company and stuff.

0:54:09.836 --> 0:54:12.156
<v Speaker 2>I got to advance it, but they're still at a

0:54:12.196 --> 0:54:15.836
<v Speaker 2>loss YouTube for like six eight months of that touring,

0:54:15.876 --> 0:54:18.516
<v Speaker 2>even though they're like the biggest band. There's no like

0:54:18.556 --> 0:54:20.516
<v Speaker 2>but when you make a movie, the actor is a

0:54:20.556 --> 0:54:23.996
<v Speaker 2>director is they're not at a loss. It's just the

0:54:24.036 --> 0:54:26.796
<v Speaker 2>big company paying for it. So it feels a little

0:54:27.956 --> 0:54:29.836
<v Speaker 2>a little different in that in that way, I mean,

0:54:29.876 --> 0:54:31.636
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's what makes.

0:54:31.676 --> 0:54:33.276
<v Speaker 1>Musicians a little cooler than actors.

0:54:33.356 --> 0:54:38.236
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, guys, it's gonna get outside here and just have

0:54:38.316 --> 0:54:41.396
<v Speaker 2>a line of actors. I heard what you said, and

0:54:41.436 --> 0:54:47.236
<v Speaker 2>I'm mildly offended. I can take my mildly offended. The

0:54:47.276 --> 0:54:49.636
<v Speaker 2>Albert or story. A lot of people mad at you,

0:54:50.956 --> 0:54:54.796
<v Speaker 2>thanks for nothing. The Albert Hammond Junior story.

0:54:56.756 --> 0:54:58.676
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was fun, man. I appreciate it, and I

0:54:58.676 --> 0:55:02.276
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. Thank you for the years of music in

0:55:03.036 --> 0:55:04.876
<v Speaker 1>the in the new solo record. Can't wait to hear

0:55:04.876 --> 0:55:05.716
<v Speaker 1>the second half.

0:55:05.676 --> 0:55:09.876
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I can't wait to just have it out.

0:55:13.156 --> 0:55:15.476
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<v Speaker 1>double album, Melodies on Hiatus. You can hear it along

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