1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:23,036 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Albert Hammond Junior first rose to prominence as the 2 00:00:23,116 --> 00:00:27,116 Speaker 1: lead guitarist of The Strokes, a band at the forefront 3 00:00:27,156 --> 00:00:30,196 Speaker 1: of New York City's indie rock renaissance and the early odds. 4 00:00:31,196 --> 00:00:33,796 Speaker 1: The Strokes released their debut album Is This It in 5 00:00:33,836 --> 00:00:38,556 Speaker 1: two thousand and one to huge commercial success. Two decades, 6 00:00:38,676 --> 00:00:41,996 Speaker 1: five albums and a Grammy later, the Strokes have become 7 00:00:42,116 --> 00:00:46,156 Speaker 1: a modern successor to the bands that influenced them, The Cars, 8 00:00:46,236 --> 00:00:49,956 Speaker 1: The Stooges, the Velvet Underground. In two thousand and seven, 9 00:00:49,996 --> 00:00:53,356 Speaker 1: Albert Hammon Junior launched his solo career, putting his songwriting 10 00:00:53,476 --> 00:00:56,836 Speaker 1: and abilities as a frontman to the test. He's now 11 00:00:56,876 --> 00:01:00,476 Speaker 1: released five albums of his own, including his latest Melodies 12 00:01:00,516 --> 00:01:03,516 Speaker 1: on Hiatus, which came out just a couple of months ago. 13 00:01:04,396 --> 00:01:06,716 Speaker 1: It's a double album that he co wrote with Canadian 14 00:01:06,796 --> 00:01:11,076 Speaker 1: singer Simon Wilcox and feature sure his collaborations with Goldlink 15 00:01:11,236 --> 00:01:15,636 Speaker 1: and Matt Helders from The Arctic Monkeys. On today's episode, 16 00:01:15,716 --> 00:01:18,876 Speaker 1: Albert Hammond Junior and I discussed his parents' recent divorce 17 00:01:19,076 --> 00:01:21,876 Speaker 1: and how despite the fact that he's in his early forties, 18 00:01:21,996 --> 00:01:26,596 Speaker 1: he was still dramatically impacted by it. Albert also reminisces 19 00:01:26,636 --> 00:01:29,516 Speaker 1: about his past life as a champion rollerskater who was 20 00:01:29,556 --> 00:01:34,716 Speaker 1: once scouted by Christy Yamaguchi's Olympic ice skating coach, and 21 00:01:34,756 --> 00:01:37,956 Speaker 1: he also explains why he's never been a fan of 22 00:01:38,036 --> 00:01:45,196 Speaker 1: everyone else's favorite bands Radiohead and led Zeppelin. This is 23 00:01:45,316 --> 00:01:49,076 Speaker 1: broken record liner notes for the digital age. I'm justin Ritchman. 24 00:01:49,956 --> 00:01:54,076 Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Albert Hammond Jr. When did you 25 00:01:54,076 --> 00:01:57,316 Speaker 1: record the new solo record, Melodies on Hiatus Man. 26 00:01:58,236 --> 00:01:59,996 Speaker 2: I thought it was going to come out a lot sooner. 27 00:02:00,436 --> 00:02:05,076 Speaker 2: I started in twenty nineteen, right at the end of 28 00:02:05,756 --> 00:02:09,076 Speaker 2: touring my last record, Francis Trouble. I had no idea 29 00:02:09,356 --> 00:02:11,956 Speaker 2: of making a double album. It wasn't like I want 30 00:02:11,956 --> 00:02:15,236 Speaker 2: to make two records. And all I thought was, I 31 00:02:15,276 --> 00:02:18,036 Speaker 2: can start now. And because I knew, I wanted to 32 00:02:18,116 --> 00:02:22,516 Speaker 2: deconstruct the band and I wanted to keep it meaning 33 00:02:22,596 --> 00:02:25,556 Speaker 2: like the record before that was a live band in 34 00:02:25,596 --> 00:02:28,316 Speaker 2: a room in a studio like this, a studio head upstate. 35 00:02:28,396 --> 00:02:29,236 Speaker 1: It was very like. 36 00:02:30,836 --> 00:02:34,796 Speaker 2: Studio live takes band and this upstate New York. Yeah, sorry, 37 00:02:35,036 --> 00:02:36,796 Speaker 2: you live in New York long enough, you just call 38 00:02:36,836 --> 00:02:40,796 Speaker 2: it up So I wanted to just like I usually 39 00:02:40,956 --> 00:02:43,636 Speaker 2: I love plugging my guitar and direct, even if it's 40 00:02:43,716 --> 00:02:45,356 Speaker 2: just to like an apollo. 41 00:02:45,756 --> 00:02:47,756 Speaker 1: I mean, I would plug it into a board. I 42 00:02:47,796 --> 00:02:50,196 Speaker 1: love that too, or just like a neve like that 43 00:02:50,396 --> 00:02:53,716 Speaker 1: over there. But I was like, let's just do it 44 00:02:53,756 --> 00:02:56,396 Speaker 1: all like we do the demos. 45 00:02:56,436 --> 00:03:00,756 Speaker 2: Drum machines kind of play all the different parts with instruments, 46 00:03:00,756 --> 00:03:02,316 Speaker 2: and we're just trying to create a vibe for each 47 00:03:02,356 --> 00:03:04,876 Speaker 2: song to then play for people to be like, this 48 00:03:04,956 --> 00:03:09,396 Speaker 2: is where I wanted to go. Help me get it there. Yeah, 49 00:03:09,396 --> 00:03:12,436 Speaker 2: So I started in twenty nineteen. My parents were getting divorced, 50 00:03:12,436 --> 00:03:14,876 Speaker 2: and my mom was in this rental right by the 51 00:03:14,876 --> 00:03:19,836 Speaker 2: Beverly Center, very cool rental. Yeah, just started there with 52 00:03:19,876 --> 00:03:23,516 Speaker 2: my laptop. But your parents just got divorced. But when 53 00:03:23,556 --> 00:03:26,596 Speaker 2: we were recording in twenty seventeen here they just started. 54 00:03:26,876 --> 00:03:27,156 Speaker 1: Wow. 55 00:03:27,196 --> 00:03:28,956 Speaker 2: But it was still happening in twenty nineteen. 56 00:03:28,996 --> 00:03:30,756 Speaker 1: I think it ended. I think it took like four 57 00:03:30,836 --> 00:03:33,556 Speaker 1: or five years. It was kind of ridiculous. Wow. I 58 00:03:33,596 --> 00:03:35,916 Speaker 1: was gonna ask you cause I guess you know, Old 59 00:03:35,956 --> 00:03:38,396 Speaker 1: Man seemed like an obvious jumping off point. 60 00:03:38,796 --> 00:03:43,036 Speaker 2: It's so funny because some songs come you know, they 61 00:03:43,116 --> 00:03:46,476 Speaker 2: just kind of like lay themselves out. I remember I was, 62 00:03:46,556 --> 00:03:51,316 Speaker 2: I was at this whole time twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen. 63 00:03:51,396 --> 00:03:53,636 Speaker 2: I was staying a lot in my parents' apartment here. 64 00:03:53,716 --> 00:03:56,836 Speaker 2: They weren't here, and my life was a lot here. 65 00:03:56,996 --> 00:03:59,836 Speaker 2: The Strokes were doing stuff. I had my solo manager 66 00:03:59,956 --> 00:04:02,716 Speaker 2: and my label here working with people, so it was 67 00:04:02,756 --> 00:04:03,796 Speaker 2: just easy to come here. 68 00:04:03,836 --> 00:04:05,356 Speaker 1: And I was just playing. 69 00:04:06,396 --> 00:04:08,956 Speaker 2: The guitar and it kind of just like it kind 70 00:04:08,996 --> 00:04:10,756 Speaker 2: of came. I said, my old. 71 00:04:10,556 --> 00:04:15,116 Speaker 1: Man blah blah blah, and I kind of just had it. 72 00:04:15,116 --> 00:04:19,916 Speaker 2: It wasn't intended to be a dig at him or anything. 73 00:04:19,916 --> 00:04:22,036 Speaker 2: And then by the time I got to doing lyrics, 74 00:04:22,436 --> 00:04:26,036 Speaker 2: and Simon actually Samon Wilcox did lyrics because well, by 75 00:04:26,036 --> 00:04:28,956 Speaker 2: the time I got to twenty songs, I looked at 76 00:04:29,076 --> 00:04:30,476 Speaker 2: all twenty and I was like, there's no way I'm 77 00:04:30,476 --> 00:04:32,196 Speaker 2: going to finish these. This is just too much work. 78 00:04:32,316 --> 00:04:34,796 Speaker 2: I'd rather start from scratch. But you knew you liked 79 00:04:34,836 --> 00:04:37,276 Speaker 2: all twenty, Yeah, I knew well by then it was 80 00:04:37,316 --> 00:04:42,236 Speaker 2: like the album's a double album. But like I song titles, 81 00:04:42,836 --> 00:04:45,716 Speaker 2: little lines here and there, lyrics from me are last, 82 00:04:45,756 --> 00:04:50,076 Speaker 2: so I'll do I sang all the songs parts I 83 00:04:50,156 --> 00:04:52,276 Speaker 2: knew I had melodies for and ones that I was searching, 84 00:04:52,396 --> 00:04:53,956 Speaker 2: or if I wanted to change it a little bit, 85 00:04:54,716 --> 00:04:56,356 Speaker 2: you know, it'd still punched me. And I'd be like, oh, 86 00:04:56,396 --> 00:04:59,036 Speaker 2: that's that's fine for them to be similar. This one 87 00:04:59,036 --> 00:05:00,716 Speaker 2: should be a little different. Let me just kind of 88 00:05:00,756 --> 00:05:03,436 Speaker 2: find it. But you're just making shit up, and sometimes 89 00:05:03,596 --> 00:05:06,716 Speaker 2: it works, sometimes it doesn't. What was cool was that 90 00:05:06,756 --> 00:05:11,916 Speaker 2: Simon kept phrasing of mine that had I written lyrics, 91 00:05:11,996 --> 00:05:13,956 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even have kept because these were just like 92 00:05:14,556 --> 00:05:18,156 Speaker 2: little rambling things I did, Like I was making stuff 93 00:05:18,196 --> 00:05:20,836 Speaker 2: up on the spot. Maybe it's a mistake or you 94 00:05:20,876 --> 00:05:23,516 Speaker 2: don't fit the words you want, but she was able 95 00:05:23,556 --> 00:05:25,756 Speaker 2: to keep them in And so there's something really magical 96 00:05:25,836 --> 00:05:28,756 Speaker 2: in that. But yeah, Old Man is not about It's 97 00:05:28,756 --> 00:05:30,356 Speaker 2: not like a dig going back to that, it's not 98 00:05:30,436 --> 00:05:32,236 Speaker 2: a dig on my dad. 99 00:05:32,276 --> 00:05:35,156 Speaker 1: It was quite the opposite. It's kind of like you just. 100 00:05:35,076 --> 00:05:43,356 Speaker 2: Realize in life how your perspective changes over time. Yeah, 101 00:05:43,396 --> 00:05:46,196 Speaker 2: you know, and like so you see your parents and 102 00:05:46,236 --> 00:05:49,036 Speaker 2: you're like a kid, and you have all these feelings 103 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:52,196 Speaker 2: and thoughts and you know, teenager twenty, and all of 104 00:05:52,236 --> 00:05:54,956 Speaker 2: a sudden you end up being their age that you 105 00:05:55,036 --> 00:05:58,956 Speaker 2: remember looking up at them and then you're kind of like, oh, 106 00:05:58,996 --> 00:06:02,556 Speaker 2: this is so strange. How did I get here and 107 00:06:02,596 --> 00:06:05,356 Speaker 2: how you're viewing stuff? But now they're older so you 108 00:06:05,396 --> 00:06:08,876 Speaker 2: can't see. So it's just this cycle of, you know, 109 00:06:08,876 --> 00:06:12,876 Speaker 2: maybe we just have to be more gentle with everyone, 110 00:06:12,996 --> 00:06:16,516 Speaker 2: just because we're all, you know, human beings and we 111 00:06:16,516 --> 00:06:20,956 Speaker 2: make mistakes, and like, I feel like the more you judge, 112 00:06:20,996 --> 00:06:25,756 Speaker 2: the more you end up doing the same things later on. Yeah, 113 00:06:25,756 --> 00:06:27,676 Speaker 2: And so it was that kind of idea in there. 114 00:06:27,876 --> 00:06:29,476 Speaker 2: And that's the other thing I would do assimon is 115 00:06:29,516 --> 00:06:31,676 Speaker 2: that when I was doing it, she would be like, 116 00:06:31,716 --> 00:06:33,716 Speaker 2: you want to keep the world old man? Or maybe 117 00:06:33,716 --> 00:06:35,836 Speaker 2: she even said like I really like it, let's let's 118 00:06:35,916 --> 00:06:37,236 Speaker 2: keep it, and I was like, no, I wanted to 119 00:06:37,276 --> 00:06:39,036 Speaker 2: keep it. It was very natural, is the first thing that 120 00:06:39,116 --> 00:06:40,996 Speaker 2: I sang when I was trying to find the melody. 121 00:06:41,076 --> 00:06:44,036 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of hard to change those words. 122 00:06:44,716 --> 00:06:47,156 Speaker 1: So how much of that did she write versus I 123 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:50,036 Speaker 1: would say she wrote the lyrics just because I said 124 00:06:50,116 --> 00:06:52,636 Speaker 1: old man, or like if she kept a line or 125 00:06:52,636 --> 00:06:56,836 Speaker 1: two of mine that I said that worked, everything is there, Yeah, 126 00:06:57,356 --> 00:07:00,356 Speaker 1: by her hand, you know, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't 127 00:07:00,396 --> 00:07:02,556 Speaker 1: take that away from her. 128 00:07:02,596 --> 00:07:08,116 Speaker 2: But the conversations that we had dictated sometimes where songs 129 00:07:08,156 --> 00:07:10,316 Speaker 2: would go. And it was definite point where I was like, 130 00:07:10,356 --> 00:07:14,276 Speaker 2: it's not about fuck you, it's not. 131 00:07:14,476 --> 00:07:15,196 Speaker 1: It's not like that all. 132 00:07:15,196 --> 00:07:18,916 Speaker 2: If anything, it's like, oh man, like all the times 133 00:07:18,956 --> 00:07:21,836 Speaker 2: I said that, and now I'm in your shoes when 134 00:07:21,836 --> 00:07:24,236 Speaker 2: I would say that to you, and I'm like, I 135 00:07:24,956 --> 00:07:27,156 Speaker 2: kind of get it, and you you know, you did 136 00:07:27,156 --> 00:07:29,796 Speaker 2: a lot, like you know, I appreciate it. 137 00:07:30,276 --> 00:07:32,196 Speaker 1: Well, your parents getting divorced at. 138 00:07:32,036 --> 00:07:34,916 Speaker 2: That time, yeah, they were still Yeah, but it wasn't 139 00:07:34,916 --> 00:07:36,516 Speaker 2: a dig at the But did. 140 00:07:36,356 --> 00:07:37,916 Speaker 1: It must have spurred it, right, I mean I just 141 00:07:37,956 --> 00:07:39,196 Speaker 1: don't imagine. Sure. 142 00:07:39,316 --> 00:07:43,756 Speaker 2: It was definitely not. You know, divorce is it's funny, 143 00:07:43,756 --> 00:07:46,076 Speaker 2: divorce is not. I was thirty six when they started. 144 00:07:46,316 --> 00:07:49,156 Speaker 2: It wasn't any easier. It wasn't like I'm thirty six, 145 00:07:49,236 --> 00:07:50,396 Speaker 2: Like I didn't feel it. 146 00:07:50,476 --> 00:07:55,676 Speaker 1: Yeah, felt it just as hard. Very weird. It's always weird. 147 00:07:55,436 --> 00:07:59,156 Speaker 2: When it's the idea like never call the cops, never 148 00:07:59,956 --> 00:08:01,916 Speaker 2: get as soon as you get other people involved in 149 00:08:01,916 --> 00:08:05,036 Speaker 2: your stuff, you can't just talk it out, Yeah, you can't. 150 00:08:05,676 --> 00:08:08,476 Speaker 2: You can never go back Yeah, it's you know, and 151 00:08:08,516 --> 00:08:10,076 Speaker 2: that's what it was. I would get a lot of 152 00:08:10,996 --> 00:08:13,116 Speaker 2: the weirdest things I got is just we were like 153 00:08:13,156 --> 00:08:14,556 Speaker 2: a tripod. 154 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:18,076 Speaker 1: Of a family. My mom's Argentina and my dad's from Gibraltar, 155 00:08:18,196 --> 00:08:22,956 Speaker 1: which is the craziest place to be from. I like Gibraltar. 156 00:08:22,996 --> 00:08:24,316 Speaker 1: Where the hell is that the rock? 157 00:08:24,676 --> 00:08:28,716 Speaker 2: Yeah, Living Daylights James Bond, the opening scene is in Gibraltar. 158 00:08:28,756 --> 00:08:30,356 Speaker 2: If you want to know what it. What it looks 159 00:08:30,356 --> 00:08:33,276 Speaker 2: like is just a giant rock off the coast of Spain. 160 00:08:33,476 --> 00:08:37,756 Speaker 2: That it's British and they're angry about that, but yes, 161 00:08:37,876 --> 00:08:40,716 Speaker 2: so far away. And they met in Argentina and they 162 00:08:40,756 --> 00:08:42,276 Speaker 2: moved to La and I grew up here. So I 163 00:08:42,276 --> 00:08:45,476 Speaker 2: didn't grow up with like a family every couple of 164 00:08:45,516 --> 00:08:48,356 Speaker 2: years when they'd come visit for three months, not like 165 00:08:48,516 --> 00:08:52,956 Speaker 2: cousins or aunts who live in the same city. So 166 00:08:53,036 --> 00:08:56,916 Speaker 2: we were like a tripod. So that interaction still existed 167 00:08:56,956 --> 00:08:58,756 Speaker 2: even in the divorce. So that was like the hard 168 00:08:58,796 --> 00:09:02,156 Speaker 2: part was like, even though I was not getting involved 169 00:09:02,196 --> 00:09:05,036 Speaker 2: or I was just trying to help out where I could, it's. 170 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:05,596 Speaker 1: Going to affect me. 171 00:09:06,036 --> 00:09:08,596 Speaker 2: Yeah, and anger will come out from different people and 172 00:09:08,636 --> 00:09:12,676 Speaker 2: it's gonna you know, I'm in the middle. Regardless of 173 00:09:13,316 --> 00:09:16,196 Speaker 2: if they don'tics or not. I imagine some things came from it. 174 00:09:16,236 --> 00:09:19,716 Speaker 2: But that's like it a god. Writing songs are so 175 00:09:19,716 --> 00:09:22,436 Speaker 2: so funny. There's so many different spots, and you might 176 00:09:22,476 --> 00:09:25,156 Speaker 2: even have one line that means something to someone, but 177 00:09:25,196 --> 00:09:29,036 Speaker 2: the whole song it's a different meaning meaning like it's 178 00:09:29,076 --> 00:09:31,876 Speaker 2: not just not so like I'm going to write about 179 00:09:31,956 --> 00:09:34,916 Speaker 2: how much I like or dislike this person. Yea, even 180 00:09:34,956 --> 00:09:37,396 Speaker 2: if you do that, you might venture off and have 181 00:09:37,436 --> 00:09:42,596 Speaker 2: a whole story or line works. I mean, it's a 182 00:09:42,636 --> 00:09:45,916 Speaker 2: combination of music and words. Sometimes stuff that's really simple 183 00:09:47,076 --> 00:09:51,036 Speaker 2: is more powerful. The music, to me is what I 184 00:09:51,076 --> 00:09:54,316 Speaker 2: want to have move you. And then though the words 185 00:09:54,356 --> 00:09:57,676 Speaker 2: on top are like a cherry. But these conversations I 186 00:09:57,676 --> 00:10:00,676 Speaker 2: had with Simon were like amazing. We would have hour 187 00:10:00,756 --> 00:10:04,036 Speaker 2: long conversations about what I felt, where I wanted to go, 188 00:10:04,156 --> 00:10:07,076 Speaker 2: or what she thought, or we would disagree or agree 189 00:10:07,156 --> 00:10:09,436 Speaker 2: or like it would be amazing. But like remember an 190 00:10:09,476 --> 00:10:12,436 Speaker 2: old man, the second verse just wasn't right. And then 191 00:10:12,596 --> 00:10:15,116 Speaker 2: she came up with the bullet wounds and self defense. 192 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:19,796 Speaker 2: Even like it never stopped. She had this story. It 193 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:21,836 Speaker 2: didn't feel like that to me, but she had this 194 00:10:21,876 --> 00:10:25,476 Speaker 2: story about this older person who just like never this 195 00:10:25,556 --> 00:10:28,756 Speaker 2: character like who never stops even though you know he 196 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:30,116 Speaker 2: hasn't made it, he doesn't care. 197 00:10:30,956 --> 00:10:35,476 Speaker 1: I was like, sure, I guess try writing that, and 198 00:10:35,556 --> 00:10:36,516 Speaker 1: I didn't connect with me. 199 00:10:36,556 --> 00:10:37,996 Speaker 2: And then she sent me the lyrics and I was 200 00:10:38,036 --> 00:10:41,876 Speaker 2: just like, this is so great, but this is not 201 00:10:42,076 --> 00:10:43,596 Speaker 2: what I would have thought it would have been. 202 00:10:44,676 --> 00:10:46,356 Speaker 1: Did it ever connect with you at any point? 203 00:10:47,356 --> 00:10:49,996 Speaker 2: I mean, the lyrics connected with me when I sang them. 204 00:10:50,036 --> 00:10:52,756 Speaker 2: For sure, I wouldn't have sang them. This is the 205 00:10:52,796 --> 00:10:54,796 Speaker 2: first time I wrote with someone else. I didn't do 206 00:10:54,876 --> 00:10:56,996 Speaker 2: anything that didn't fully. 207 00:10:58,156 --> 00:10:59,996 Speaker 1: Connect feeling authentic, you know. Yeah. Yeah. 208 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:03,916 Speaker 2: It wasn't like I just mean sometimes the way the 209 00:11:03,956 --> 00:11:06,396 Speaker 2: way someone tells the story about where they're gonna go, 210 00:11:06,836 --> 00:11:08,796 Speaker 2: you're kind of like, yeah, okay, I don't I don't 211 00:11:08,836 --> 00:11:11,716 Speaker 2: know what in your head, but it's yeah, it's funny 212 00:11:11,716 --> 00:11:13,476 Speaker 2: to not get it and then get something back and 213 00:11:13,516 --> 00:11:14,716 Speaker 2: being like, well, whatever. 214 00:11:14,556 --> 00:11:15,276 Speaker 1: Was in your head it was. 215 00:11:15,556 --> 00:11:16,956 Speaker 2: It's not what I thought it was going to be, 216 00:11:16,996 --> 00:11:19,236 Speaker 2: and this is amazing. But yeah, no, it wasn't like 217 00:11:19,636 --> 00:11:22,596 Speaker 2: just write lyrics. I had thought I was gonna like 218 00:11:23,396 --> 00:11:25,356 Speaker 2: try to get a bunch of friends to help me 219 00:11:26,356 --> 00:11:28,356 Speaker 2: write lyrics. But it's a lot harder to get people 220 00:11:28,436 --> 00:11:30,956 Speaker 2: to help you out than you might think. 221 00:11:31,316 --> 00:11:34,476 Speaker 1: What kind of trouble did you come across with that? No? Nothing, 222 00:11:34,596 --> 00:11:35,716 Speaker 1: Just people say. 223 00:11:35,556 --> 00:11:36,956 Speaker 2: Any of what kind of trouble? Oh I got in 224 00:11:37,036 --> 00:11:39,676 Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. I get in a lot of trouble. 225 00:11:39,676 --> 00:11:45,436 Speaker 2: But it's not from asking people to write songs. Such 226 00:11:45,476 --> 00:11:46,676 Speaker 2: a trouble maker. 227 00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:51,436 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just this was just like an idea. 228 00:11:51,516 --> 00:11:55,196 Speaker 2: I thought, like I would ask certain bands that I'm 229 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:59,196 Speaker 2: friends with, if they people who I like they write lyrics, 230 00:11:59,236 --> 00:12:01,356 Speaker 2: if they wanted to give it a go. 231 00:12:01,596 --> 00:12:04,596 Speaker 1: But it's hard. People I did. I did. 232 00:12:05,236 --> 00:12:07,156 Speaker 2: Everyone was really nice, but I think they were all 233 00:12:07,196 --> 00:12:11,236 Speaker 2: like in the middle of records or sometimes people wanted 234 00:12:11,276 --> 00:12:14,156 Speaker 2: to do it, but they I think maybe they wanted 235 00:12:14,196 --> 00:12:18,756 Speaker 2: to change the malady of it, which I wouldn't have minded, 236 00:12:18,796 --> 00:12:20,236 Speaker 2: but have been like, Okay, well now we're working on 237 00:12:20,236 --> 00:12:22,716 Speaker 2: the song very differently, you know what I mean. I 238 00:12:22,756 --> 00:12:24,756 Speaker 2: think it was just the timing of it because I 239 00:12:24,796 --> 00:12:26,836 Speaker 2: was just recording, right, it's recording I could have I 240 00:12:26,836 --> 00:12:30,476 Speaker 2: could still be recording. I was in such a finding 241 00:12:30,556 --> 00:12:34,116 Speaker 2: voicemail wasn't just like creating songs. It was I was 242 00:12:34,116 --> 00:12:35,516 Speaker 2: in such a little heaven. 243 00:12:36,156 --> 00:12:38,676 Speaker 1: And you were sort of doing the strokes with the 244 00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:42,316 Speaker 1: new abnormal was yeah, at least stating too right. We've 245 00:12:42,316 --> 00:12:42,996 Speaker 1: done a little bit. 246 00:12:43,036 --> 00:12:44,716 Speaker 2: And then we started the promo tour, and then the 247 00:12:44,756 --> 00:12:50,436 Speaker 2: pandemic happened, and then Gus would just fly over. Gus Ober, 248 00:12:50,476 --> 00:12:52,716 Speaker 2: he's my best friend. He just front housed with the strokes. 249 00:12:53,476 --> 00:12:55,756 Speaker 2: I was pretty loose during the pandemic. I'll be honest. 250 00:12:57,156 --> 00:12:58,396 Speaker 1: No, no precautions for me. 251 00:12:58,476 --> 00:13:00,836 Speaker 2: Well no, I was just thought, no, no, I mean 252 00:13:00,876 --> 00:13:03,476 Speaker 2: there was precautions. I mean he flew on the plane 253 00:13:04,036 --> 00:13:06,076 Speaker 2: and I guess you have to wear a mask, but he. 254 00:13:06,116 --> 00:13:09,036 Speaker 1: Just came over. Precautions because you he just came over. 255 00:13:09,356 --> 00:13:11,916 Speaker 1: And then we just started working and my wife was pregnant. 256 00:13:11,956 --> 00:13:14,836 Speaker 1: I don't know. We would still exercise and stuff like. 257 00:13:14,876 --> 00:13:17,556 Speaker 2: I always feel like I find it hard to believe 258 00:13:17,556 --> 00:13:21,436 Speaker 2: what happened there was they tell you what's happening, but 259 00:13:21,476 --> 00:13:23,876 Speaker 2: no one ever tells you how to build your own 260 00:13:23,876 --> 00:13:24,556 Speaker 2: immune system. 261 00:13:24,636 --> 00:13:26,796 Speaker 1: It was a weird thing to navigate. It was. It 262 00:13:26,836 --> 00:13:29,596 Speaker 1: was very weird. Did work in on music though, I mean, 263 00:13:29,916 --> 00:13:31,996 Speaker 1: how your wife was pregnant, so it was a lot. 264 00:13:32,036 --> 00:13:34,276 Speaker 1: I mean, well, she got pregnant. 265 00:13:33,996 --> 00:13:36,996 Speaker 2: In June, and this was we started in March. Right 266 00:13:37,196 --> 00:13:40,796 Speaker 2: and first kid, right, first, first and only kid, first kid, 267 00:13:41,276 --> 00:13:42,996 Speaker 2: No more kid war scene, no more. 268 00:13:44,556 --> 00:13:44,836 Speaker 1: Kids. 269 00:13:44,876 --> 00:13:48,796 Speaker 2: One is I'm grateful for her changed my life. I 270 00:13:48,836 --> 00:13:52,236 Speaker 2: love her dearly, but I don't have the capacity for 271 00:13:52,636 --> 00:13:53,556 Speaker 2: It's a lot for. 272 00:13:53,476 --> 00:13:56,876 Speaker 1: It requires a lot of bandwidth. I have two, you 273 00:13:56,916 --> 00:13:59,916 Speaker 1: have two. Yeah. My eldest really liked your solo record. 274 00:14:00,276 --> 00:14:03,916 Speaker 1: Check me at it. The playlist is it? How old 275 00:14:03,956 --> 00:14:07,476 Speaker 1: are they? Seven and four? Just turned seven and four? 276 00:14:07,556 --> 00:14:11,716 Speaker 2: Mine just a little over during a different, different spot. 277 00:14:12,556 --> 00:14:15,356 Speaker 2: I was terrifying at first. Oh my god. You know 278 00:14:15,436 --> 00:14:17,316 Speaker 2: some people come they come out and they're like I 279 00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:19,596 Speaker 2: was born to be a parent. 280 00:14:20,396 --> 00:14:24,836 Speaker 1: I was like a PTSD, Like I was like, what happened? 281 00:14:26,596 --> 00:14:33,436 Speaker 1: My life's completely changed? Yeah, I love you, but it's 282 00:14:33,516 --> 00:14:34,676 Speaker 1: just everything's really different. 283 00:14:34,996 --> 00:14:37,076 Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's balanced out? It's balancing out 284 00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:40,396 Speaker 2: for sure. I mean anything, it makes sense, any creation 285 00:14:40,596 --> 00:14:44,316 Speaker 2: in the universe is through destruction, you know what I mean? 286 00:14:44,396 --> 00:14:46,356 Speaker 2: Like here and how we're here, it was through things 287 00:14:46,796 --> 00:14:49,916 Speaker 2: banging into each other and blowing up. So it makes 288 00:14:49,916 --> 00:14:52,716 Speaker 2: sense that to create something like. 289 00:14:54,156 --> 00:14:54,676 Speaker 1: New life. 290 00:14:54,716 --> 00:14:57,476 Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing to have seen it. You know, 291 00:14:57,516 --> 00:15:04,676 Speaker 2: it must be something that it you know, just. 292 00:15:02,596 --> 00:15:05,676 Speaker 1: Just an extreme thing. Your kid destroys your life, Yeah, 293 00:15:05,676 --> 00:15:09,316 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it just it just needs. 294 00:15:10,596 --> 00:15:13,636 Speaker 2: It destroys it in the sense that it's meant to 295 00:15:14,036 --> 00:15:18,276 Speaker 2: and you're meant to build up deeper and better and 296 00:15:18,316 --> 00:15:21,516 Speaker 2: your your heart's richer for and it's like, so you 297 00:15:21,556 --> 00:15:24,396 Speaker 2: can't be the same person. It would be ridiculous. And 298 00:15:24,476 --> 00:15:27,436 Speaker 2: just to see life take shape. I started to think 299 00:15:27,476 --> 00:15:31,436 Speaker 2: that maybe personality traits and little things you do or 300 00:15:31,556 --> 00:15:34,796 Speaker 2: just are all in there. It's got nothing to do 301 00:15:34,916 --> 00:15:39,316 Speaker 2: with what I was saying or doing, just from generations 302 00:15:39,316 --> 00:15:41,476 Speaker 2: passed on and who knows which part she has some 303 00:15:41,556 --> 00:15:42,716 Speaker 2: different people, but it's. 304 00:15:42,916 --> 00:15:45,596 Speaker 1: And that's it's sometimes that's scary. Sure, when I think 305 00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,076 Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, damn, does she have some of 306 00:15:47,076 --> 00:15:49,916 Speaker 1: my uncle in there? I mean, I'm. 307 00:15:49,436 --> 00:15:54,356 Speaker 2: Sure she's just like I'm sure they have different How 308 00:15:54,396 --> 00:15:58,996 Speaker 2: are you even ancestors you didn't even meet, like you 309 00:15:59,116 --> 00:16:02,756 Speaker 2: have like your friends or friends brothers, And you're like, yeah, 310 00:16:02,756 --> 00:16:05,236 Speaker 2: it doesn't even seem like the part of the family 311 00:16:05,436 --> 00:16:08,476 Speaker 2: or like their personality was just so different than the 312 00:16:08,516 --> 00:16:09,396 Speaker 2: rest of the family. 313 00:16:09,676 --> 00:16:12,476 Speaker 1: Friends who were twins, and you just couldn't believe. 314 00:16:12,276 --> 00:16:15,036 Speaker 2: Dude, I was a twin. It passed away at five months, 315 00:16:15,036 --> 00:16:17,916 Speaker 2: but I was I was so curious that, not not 316 00:16:17,956 --> 00:16:24,436 Speaker 2: to bring a down. Wow, you're like, oh, but yeah, 317 00:16:24,476 --> 00:16:27,476 Speaker 2: I always feel like there was something. I'm always so 318 00:16:27,596 --> 00:16:29,676 Speaker 2: curious about what that would have what my life would 319 00:16:29,676 --> 00:16:33,116 Speaker 2: have been like had I had a twin. 320 00:16:33,396 --> 00:16:37,876 Speaker 1: Were you able to glean from your parents, how similar 321 00:16:38,076 --> 00:16:40,236 Speaker 1: not you were in the five months, Like we talked. 322 00:16:40,116 --> 00:16:43,156 Speaker 2: About five months in like, my mom didn't know she 323 00:16:43,236 --> 00:16:45,076 Speaker 2: had twins, and it was five months, but it still 324 00:16:45,116 --> 00:16:47,356 Speaker 2: looked like a little human. Supposedly when it came out 325 00:16:47,436 --> 00:16:49,916 Speaker 2: my dad. This might be a little graphic, but my 326 00:16:49,996 --> 00:16:51,916 Speaker 2: dad took it out of the toilet and they brought 327 00:16:51,916 --> 00:16:53,436 Speaker 2: it to the hospital and they said it. 328 00:16:53,396 --> 00:16:55,196 Speaker 1: Looked like a little kid. 329 00:16:55,436 --> 00:16:58,076 Speaker 2: I always questioned this, but the doctor was like, yeah, 330 00:16:58,116 --> 00:17:00,796 Speaker 2: you lost the baby. Those are just phantom feelings. And 331 00:17:00,836 --> 00:17:02,516 Speaker 2: like a few weeks later she found out she was 332 00:17:02,556 --> 00:17:06,316 Speaker 2: still pregnant with me. And I remember knowing that as 333 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:08,756 Speaker 2: a kid, but as a kid, you don't like really 334 00:17:08,836 --> 00:17:11,396 Speaker 2: think what that must feel like for your parents. It 335 00:17:11,396 --> 00:17:13,996 Speaker 2: wasn't until I was thirty six, and I was like, man, 336 00:17:14,036 --> 00:17:17,796 Speaker 2: that must have been weird to have I think, is 337 00:17:17,796 --> 00:17:20,796 Speaker 2: it called stillborn to like have a kid come out 338 00:17:20,836 --> 00:17:24,236 Speaker 2: like that, and like that's heavy, that's not a light thing. 339 00:17:24,316 --> 00:17:27,196 Speaker 2: And then I didn't realize how close she worked so 340 00:17:27,276 --> 00:17:29,236 Speaker 2: much so that the nail and part of the other 341 00:17:29,276 --> 00:17:32,236 Speaker 2: placenta was on mine when it came out like one 342 00:17:32,276 --> 00:17:35,076 Speaker 2: of the things, and so like it made me like. 343 00:17:35,796 --> 00:17:36,796 Speaker 1: And actually it made me. 344 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:42,316 Speaker 2: Cry because I was just like imagining just being that 345 00:17:42,396 --> 00:17:45,836 Speaker 2: close to someone. There must be some kind of energy 346 00:17:45,916 --> 00:17:48,916 Speaker 2: in there, you know, when you're like being made. 347 00:17:49,276 --> 00:17:51,556 Speaker 1: Yeah. I know at the time you weren't thinking about 348 00:17:51,796 --> 00:17:54,676 Speaker 1: how your parents felt, but it's probably because it was 349 00:17:54,716 --> 00:17:57,396 Speaker 1: super overwhelming for you too. Or did you really not 350 00:17:57,436 --> 00:17:58,756 Speaker 1: eat when I was a kid and when you were 351 00:17:58,756 --> 00:18:03,116 Speaker 1: a kid. I mean it's hard to remember, or yeah, 352 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:05,596 Speaker 1: maybe it was it was too much. I was just 353 00:18:06,676 --> 00:18:08,796 Speaker 1: I always thought it was just like a it was 354 00:18:08,836 --> 00:18:10,956 Speaker 1: just a story. I heard it so much when I 355 00:18:10,996 --> 00:18:12,836 Speaker 1: was since I was little, so it just became like 356 00:18:13,076 --> 00:18:15,116 Speaker 1: it's part of my story and it wasn't. 357 00:18:15,196 --> 00:18:18,156 Speaker 2: I was older, I was like, man, this story is 358 00:18:18,196 --> 00:18:20,196 Speaker 2: like a superhero story and that's when I did on 359 00:18:20,236 --> 00:18:22,756 Speaker 2: the record before, I was like, what a cool way 360 00:18:22,796 --> 00:18:27,876 Speaker 2: to create an alter ego through that story. And then 361 00:18:27,916 --> 00:18:34,156 Speaker 2: this album is like the deconstruction of accepting. I made 362 00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:38,396 Speaker 2: a record where I accepted being the front person, because 363 00:18:38,396 --> 00:18:41,636 Speaker 2: all the records beforehand were just like, I really just 364 00:18:41,676 --> 00:18:44,996 Speaker 2: want to be in a band. I just like writing songs. Yeah, 365 00:18:45,396 --> 00:18:49,196 Speaker 2: they're just exercises, so I could try to write more 366 00:18:49,276 --> 00:18:51,876 Speaker 2: songs in the band or just be a better songwriter 367 00:18:51,996 --> 00:18:54,876 Speaker 2: in general. And on the fourth one, I was like, Okay, 368 00:18:54,876 --> 00:18:57,436 Speaker 2: I just have to accept that it's just my name, so. 369 00:18:57,476 --> 00:19:00,436 Speaker 1: Before you thought about it as exercise for the Strokes. 370 00:19:00,596 --> 00:19:02,836 Speaker 2: Yeah, the first album was just like when I made 371 00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:04,676 Speaker 2: my first album, You're to keep. I was like, if 372 00:19:04,676 --> 00:19:08,596 Speaker 2: I don't finish something and it's just done, I got 373 00:19:08,596 --> 00:19:10,076 Speaker 2: anything I was to tour it or anything. If I 374 00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:11,596 Speaker 2: don't like finish it, I'll. 375 00:19:11,436 --> 00:19:13,956 Speaker 1: Never grow because I'll always be like, well, it's just 376 00:19:14,036 --> 00:19:15,516 Speaker 1: kind of a demo. I can change it. You know. 377 00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:18,036 Speaker 2: Everyone always like, you know, that's just a rough mix. 378 00:19:19,596 --> 00:19:20,756 Speaker 2: I'm changing everything. 379 00:19:21,636 --> 00:19:24,676 Speaker 1: So it felt good to commit to I just felt 380 00:19:24,716 --> 00:19:25,436 Speaker 1: like I needed it. 381 00:19:25,916 --> 00:19:28,316 Speaker 2: I felt like I had stuff that i'd been nurturing 382 00:19:28,836 --> 00:19:32,436 Speaker 2: since my late teenage years, mixed with stuff that I'd 383 00:19:32,476 --> 00:19:36,076 Speaker 2: done after I joined a band. So I needed to 384 00:19:37,476 --> 00:19:38,756 Speaker 2: get rid of it to move on. 385 00:19:39,076 --> 00:19:40,476 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I wouldn't. 386 00:19:40,636 --> 00:19:45,716 Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the songwriter today unless I had done that. 387 00:19:46,276 --> 00:19:47,876 Speaker 2: But I just mean, I didn't want to be like 388 00:19:47,876 --> 00:19:49,596 Speaker 2: I didn't want to release a solo record and be like, 389 00:19:49,876 --> 00:19:52,036 Speaker 2: I'm Albert Hamman Jr. Look at me like I just 390 00:19:52,036 --> 00:19:53,036 Speaker 2: always wanted to be in a band. 391 00:19:53,036 --> 00:19:55,916 Speaker 1: That's all. We're going to take a quick break and 392 00:19:55,956 --> 00:19:58,796 Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more from Albert Hammond Junior. 393 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:06,876 Speaker 1: We're back with more from Albert Hammond Junr. So you 394 00:20:06,916 --> 00:20:09,356 Speaker 1: feel like a guitar player like that feels like I 395 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:10,276 Speaker 1: just like writing songs. 396 00:20:10,516 --> 00:20:12,116 Speaker 2: I didn't even feel like I feel like my guitar 397 00:20:12,156 --> 00:20:14,316 Speaker 2: player now because that's where the role like. 398 00:20:14,356 --> 00:20:15,356 Speaker 1: When I fell in love with. 399 00:20:15,356 --> 00:20:19,116 Speaker 2: Music and guitar, I never it wasn't like, oh I 400 00:20:19,116 --> 00:20:20,956 Speaker 2: like Jimmy Hendricks, I want to play lead. I was 401 00:20:20,996 --> 00:20:24,516 Speaker 2: just like I like Buddy Holly, I like Roy Orbison. 402 00:20:24,516 --> 00:20:27,516 Speaker 2: I just wanted to sing and write songs. It wasn't 403 00:20:27,556 --> 00:20:30,156 Speaker 2: until I was in a band that I I don't 404 00:20:30,156 --> 00:20:32,596 Speaker 2: know why I didn't click with me like guitar parts 405 00:20:33,036 --> 00:20:35,076 Speaker 2: it should have maybe or I didn't understand it. I 406 00:20:35,196 --> 00:20:38,036 Speaker 2: just I guess I fell in love more with the 407 00:20:38,076 --> 00:20:42,996 Speaker 2: song than like the instrument. And it wasn't untill like 408 00:20:43,036 --> 00:20:45,196 Speaker 2: I felt like I had to when I was in 409 00:20:45,196 --> 00:20:47,156 Speaker 2: a band, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna have to. 410 00:20:48,076 --> 00:20:51,076 Speaker 2: Even when I was first playing some leads at early 411 00:20:51,596 --> 00:20:56,876 Speaker 2: stroke stuff, I was like like I'm doing this like wow, 412 00:20:57,116 --> 00:21:02,436 Speaker 2: like it was so it was so strange. When I 413 00:21:02,516 --> 00:21:06,636 Speaker 2: first started writing songs. It wasn't till like make an album. 414 00:21:06,676 --> 00:21:09,916 Speaker 2: It was just to like be a contribute in what 415 00:21:09,956 --> 00:21:14,396 Speaker 2: we were doing. You know, It's always been a struggle. 416 00:21:14,436 --> 00:21:15,316 Speaker 1: I love performing. 417 00:21:15,396 --> 00:21:17,196 Speaker 2: I've been I used to roller skate when I was 418 00:21:17,196 --> 00:21:20,236 Speaker 2: a kid, so I feel like I've been performing since 419 00:21:20,276 --> 00:21:22,876 Speaker 2: before in nine, ten, eleven, twelve, I would, you know, 420 00:21:23,036 --> 00:21:24,036 Speaker 2: skate in front of a lot. 421 00:21:23,996 --> 00:21:26,916 Speaker 1: Of skating's back Are you are you diving back in? 422 00:21:27,116 --> 00:21:28,716 Speaker 1: Are you getting back into Well? No, I did. 423 00:21:28,796 --> 00:21:32,116 Speaker 2: Like my skating that I did was you know, like 424 00:21:32,156 --> 00:21:36,236 Speaker 2: figure skating and ice skating. Yeah, I did that alone 425 00:21:36,316 --> 00:21:37,396 Speaker 2: with a partner. 426 00:21:37,316 --> 00:21:40,476 Speaker 1: On ice skates. Store, No, on roller skates. They wanted 427 00:21:40,476 --> 00:21:41,556 Speaker 1: me to do. It's so funny. 428 00:21:41,596 --> 00:21:46,556 Speaker 2: The what was their name, Kristin Yamagucci, the coach wanted 429 00:21:46,596 --> 00:21:49,996 Speaker 2: to coach me for the Olympics because his thing was 430 00:21:50,036 --> 00:21:52,756 Speaker 2: like he was like, I can teach how you can 431 00:21:52,876 --> 00:21:55,956 Speaker 2: do everything you need to do to learn skates and 432 00:21:55,996 --> 00:21:57,796 Speaker 2: stuff like that. What I can't teach is like what 433 00:21:57,876 --> 00:22:01,436 Speaker 2: you have. I had like posture or like grace, and 434 00:22:01,556 --> 00:22:04,036 Speaker 2: I could like move. I think my dad wanted me 435 00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:05,836 Speaker 2: to ice skate too, because there's money in ice skating. 436 00:22:05,916 --> 00:22:07,236 Speaker 2: There's no money in roller skating. 437 00:22:09,636 --> 00:22:10,316 Speaker 1: Incredible. 438 00:22:11,196 --> 00:22:12,916 Speaker 2: I was like, what, I don't love ice skating like 439 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:16,076 Speaker 2: I love real skating. I mean it was fun, it's 440 00:22:16,156 --> 00:22:19,796 Speaker 2: very competitive. I liked winning. I just remember that. I 441 00:22:19,836 --> 00:22:23,516 Speaker 2: remember not being nervous and I liked winning. I was 442 00:22:23,596 --> 00:22:28,636 Speaker 2: like practicing every day three four hours a day, seven 443 00:22:28,716 --> 00:22:31,716 Speaker 2: days a week, and then one day at twelve, I 444 00:22:31,796 --> 00:22:35,156 Speaker 2: like the hairline fracture on my ankle and then I 445 00:22:35,196 --> 00:22:35,756 Speaker 2: was like, yeah. 446 00:22:35,636 --> 00:22:40,236 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that anymore. Was it like your parents 447 00:22:40,236 --> 00:22:41,876 Speaker 1: being like you have to go to definitely know you 448 00:22:41,916 --> 00:22:43,196 Speaker 1: want it to or not. You can't. 449 00:22:44,716 --> 00:22:48,076 Speaker 2: I don't think you could push someone into wanting to 450 00:22:48,196 --> 00:22:50,156 Speaker 2: do that if the person didn't want to do it. 451 00:22:50,236 --> 00:22:54,556 Speaker 2: You might, you know, every day falling down, getting up, 452 00:22:54,596 --> 00:22:56,996 Speaker 2: falling down like you just hours and hours. It's the 453 00:22:56,996 --> 00:23:00,436 Speaker 2: same thing with an instrument, right, I mean people ask 454 00:23:00,956 --> 00:23:04,036 Speaker 2: for advice on guitar, and it's just like you're gonna 455 00:23:04,076 --> 00:23:06,676 Speaker 2: have many moments where you're gonna want to quit. And 456 00:23:06,716 --> 00:23:09,636 Speaker 2: it's the people that push through those moments that get better. 457 00:23:09,676 --> 00:23:11,636 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all it is. Do you still have 458 00:23:11,676 --> 00:23:13,916 Speaker 1: those moments where you want to quick guitar? Oh my god? Yeah? 459 00:23:14,116 --> 00:23:16,676 Speaker 2: Tell you kidding? Like I love tennis and I was 460 00:23:16,716 --> 00:23:19,156 Speaker 2: watching tennis and I was I was, I was angry. 461 00:23:19,636 --> 00:23:22,036 Speaker 2: I was like, the number one tennis player has a 462 00:23:22,116 --> 00:23:26,356 Speaker 2: coach teaching him more stuff, even though he's number one. 463 00:23:26,636 --> 00:23:27,916 Speaker 1: I would love a. 464 00:23:27,876 --> 00:23:31,356 Speaker 2: Guitar teacher to get me over hurdles. I have weaknesses 465 00:23:31,396 --> 00:23:35,796 Speaker 2: on guitar. I'm very slow musician. I'm not a studio musician. 466 00:23:35,876 --> 00:23:39,036 Speaker 2: My ear is slow picking stuff up. I get like 467 00:23:39,916 --> 00:23:43,396 Speaker 2: stage fright in playing music with the band or other people, 468 00:23:43,436 --> 00:23:45,436 Speaker 2: and like stuff I won't know or just not doing 469 00:23:45,476 --> 00:23:46,036 Speaker 2: stuff well. 470 00:23:46,756 --> 00:23:49,796 Speaker 1: I'll rehearse shit out of. 471 00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:51,676 Speaker 2: Something so that I can perform it on stage where 472 00:23:51,716 --> 00:23:55,716 Speaker 2: it looks like you can't imagine the person not belonging there, 473 00:23:56,036 --> 00:23:58,756 Speaker 2: and I love that. I love that part of entertaining, 474 00:23:58,796 --> 00:24:02,596 Speaker 2: but the unknown like scares me so like I'd love 475 00:24:02,636 --> 00:24:03,956 Speaker 2: to strengthen. 476 00:24:04,956 --> 00:24:06,076 Speaker 1: That ability. 477 00:24:06,076 --> 00:24:07,676 Speaker 2: I mean, to come up with stuff for me, even 478 00:24:07,716 --> 00:24:10,516 Speaker 2: like guitar parts I do on this album. I mean, 479 00:24:11,436 --> 00:24:14,476 Speaker 2: I have to play so much bad stuff to find 480 00:24:14,516 --> 00:24:18,076 Speaker 2: the good stuff, like embarrassingly, so you know, like for 481 00:24:18,156 --> 00:24:20,796 Speaker 2: like hours and then sometimes it's quicker and sometimes it's not. 482 00:24:20,916 --> 00:24:21,436 Speaker 1: But it's like. 483 00:24:22,916 --> 00:24:25,036 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to have that confidence to do 484 00:24:25,116 --> 00:24:26,356 Speaker 2: it in other settings. 485 00:24:26,716 --> 00:24:30,356 Speaker 1: Do you have days then where it's like really working, 486 00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:34,836 Speaker 1: like it almost comes scarily easy, like ever, nothing ever 487 00:24:34,916 --> 00:24:36,796 Speaker 1: feels easy. 488 00:24:37,156 --> 00:24:42,996 Speaker 2: But I definitely have days where I get enough confidence 489 00:24:43,036 --> 00:24:48,996 Speaker 2: where I feel like maybe I'm not a mediocre piece 490 00:24:48,996 --> 00:24:52,036 Speaker 2: of shit, like. 491 00:24:52,036 --> 00:24:53,116 Speaker 1: Maybe I actually am. 492 00:24:53,236 --> 00:24:55,876 Speaker 2: I remember turning I think it is to my wife 493 00:24:55,916 --> 00:24:57,996 Speaker 2: and I was like after recording this, and I was like, 494 00:24:59,356 --> 00:25:02,436 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I can I know how to write a 495 00:25:02,476 --> 00:25:04,996 Speaker 2: song or something like that. I kept saying, like I've 496 00:25:04,996 --> 00:25:07,236 Speaker 2: done it this many times, like I got it. There's 497 00:25:07,236 --> 00:25:10,596 Speaker 2: got to be something there, right, Yeah, it's hard to 498 00:25:12,796 --> 00:25:15,876 Speaker 2: the creative world can be hard. You set your own 499 00:25:16,876 --> 00:25:22,756 Speaker 2: boundaries and disciplines, and there's a lot of time to 500 00:25:22,796 --> 00:25:27,476 Speaker 2: be just destructive. And there's a lot of times for 501 00:25:27,996 --> 00:25:30,276 Speaker 2: my my that inner voice I've been working on for 502 00:25:30,316 --> 00:25:32,916 Speaker 2: a long time. It's just we all everyone has their 503 00:25:32,956 --> 00:25:34,196 Speaker 2: inner voice. 504 00:25:34,596 --> 00:25:43,876 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a rough voice. Your invoice, Yeah, yeah. 505 00:25:43,116 --> 00:25:46,756 Speaker 2: So it's it can be it can be hard sometimes sometimes. 506 00:25:46,916 --> 00:25:48,996 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I do want to find someone to 507 00:25:49,116 --> 00:25:51,556 Speaker 2: like help me get over some some hurdles. 508 00:25:51,596 --> 00:25:51,836 Speaker 1: I'm not. 509 00:25:52,076 --> 00:25:54,516 Speaker 2: I'm really good at being told what to do and 510 00:25:54,556 --> 00:25:57,116 Speaker 2: I'll go do it, yeah, and and do it. But 511 00:25:57,156 --> 00:26:00,356 Speaker 2: if I have to like figure out I reads, like 512 00:26:00,396 --> 00:26:03,516 Speaker 2: reading the instructions and like you tell me, if I 513 00:26:03,596 --> 00:26:06,356 Speaker 2: do A B and C, I'll get to D. 514 00:26:06,756 --> 00:26:08,916 Speaker 1: Then I'll do a B and C. But if I 515 00:26:08,956 --> 00:26:10,836 Speaker 1: have to guess that AB and C gets to D 516 00:26:11,876 --> 00:26:13,676 Speaker 1: and two months of gone by and I haven't one 517 00:26:13,716 --> 00:26:17,396 Speaker 1: to D, Yeah, am I doing it wrong? Yeah? I don't. 518 00:26:17,636 --> 00:26:21,356 Speaker 2: It's the same thing with food and working out. When 519 00:26:21,396 --> 00:26:24,276 Speaker 2: someone told me what I had to do to achieve 520 00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:26,116 Speaker 2: certain things that I wanted to and why it works, 521 00:26:26,316 --> 00:26:29,276 Speaker 2: it's great. Yeah, I'll just follow what you're saying and 522 00:26:29,316 --> 00:26:31,676 Speaker 2: I'll get to But if I had did like guess, 523 00:26:31,996 --> 00:26:35,276 Speaker 2: I'd probably give up because I wouldn't see the results. 524 00:26:35,276 --> 00:26:36,636 Speaker 2: I would feel like I was doing it wrong. 525 00:26:36,756 --> 00:26:40,756 Speaker 1: Well, how did you early when you first picked up guitar, Like, 526 00:26:40,796 --> 00:26:44,156 Speaker 1: how did you get through that? I don't know. It's 527 00:26:44,196 --> 00:26:44,876 Speaker 1: a good question. 528 00:26:46,276 --> 00:26:50,116 Speaker 2: Maybe early on was different because you're well, it's different 529 00:26:50,156 --> 00:26:52,196 Speaker 2: in the same so there was I was still pretty 530 00:26:52,196 --> 00:26:54,756 Speaker 2: private about it. I wasn't like I had friends or 531 00:26:54,796 --> 00:26:56,636 Speaker 2: people in my school who were like, I play music 532 00:26:56,716 --> 00:26:59,036 Speaker 2: or write songs, and they'd play you their songs like. 533 00:26:59,036 --> 00:27:01,796 Speaker 1: I never did that. I wouldn't sit down and like 534 00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:04,996 Speaker 1: play someone a bunch of my songs. You aren't at 535 00:27:05,036 --> 00:27:06,356 Speaker 1: like lunch playing. 536 00:27:06,796 --> 00:27:08,916 Speaker 2: People with those people who were like, oh I wrote this, 537 00:27:09,116 --> 00:27:12,476 Speaker 2: I do it like the what's it called? 538 00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:16,316 Speaker 1: We remember? You'd have like class squads or whatever, yeah. 539 00:27:16,196 --> 00:27:20,356 Speaker 2: School meetings and someone would be like, oh, the assembly 540 00:27:20,396 --> 00:27:21,916 Speaker 2: and this guy wants to play the song. Like that 541 00:27:21,996 --> 00:27:25,876 Speaker 2: was not me, like, not that I didn't want to 542 00:27:25,876 --> 00:27:28,716 Speaker 2: be like that. It wasn't like I was like but 543 00:27:28,796 --> 00:27:30,716 Speaker 2: I just like, yeah, I didn't feel confident like that. 544 00:27:30,796 --> 00:27:32,796 Speaker 1: I was just like, well, and then and then when 545 00:27:32,796 --> 00:27:34,476 Speaker 1: you're not confident, the part of you is like fuck 546 00:27:34,516 --> 00:27:38,396 Speaker 1: that kid, Yeah, of course you know, well you kind 547 00:27:38,436 --> 00:27:38,836 Speaker 1: of gauge. 548 00:27:38,836 --> 00:27:41,836 Speaker 2: You're like, does everyone It's like it's good too because 549 00:27:41,836 --> 00:27:45,476 Speaker 2: you're just like, what don't people like about it? Because 550 00:27:45,476 --> 00:27:48,276 Speaker 2: he has confidence and able to do it? So what 551 00:27:48,476 --> 00:27:51,796 Speaker 2: is rubbing the wrong way? And so you learned something 552 00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:52,196 Speaker 2: from that? 553 00:27:52,436 --> 00:27:55,076 Speaker 1: I don't know. I started playing. It takes a while 554 00:27:55,116 --> 00:27:57,836 Speaker 1: to get barchoards. I stuck with it. 555 00:27:58,916 --> 00:28:02,956 Speaker 2: I really learned a lot when I joined the band. 556 00:28:02,996 --> 00:28:07,196 Speaker 2: I became like, I feel like I've discovered myself amongst 557 00:28:08,036 --> 00:28:09,516 Speaker 2: the other four. 558 00:28:09,836 --> 00:28:10,956 Speaker 1: They're all very. 559 00:28:10,796 --> 00:28:17,596 Speaker 2: Talented and quick and intense. I really like discovered what 560 00:28:17,716 --> 00:28:20,756 Speaker 2: I liked and who I was in playing with them 561 00:28:20,756 --> 00:28:25,596 Speaker 2: and even in whatever songs that Julian Road or parts 562 00:28:25,636 --> 00:28:29,316 Speaker 2: that people had, or you know, learning to how you 563 00:28:29,396 --> 00:28:30,716 Speaker 2: fit in. 564 00:28:31,196 --> 00:28:35,636 Speaker 1: You know, you can play a a a barchoord and 565 00:28:35,636 --> 00:28:41,116 Speaker 1: there's like, you know, three or four other solid positions 566 00:28:41,156 --> 00:28:43,156 Speaker 1: to play it in that are more exciting than. 567 00:28:43,036 --> 00:28:45,356 Speaker 2: That a bar choord. A barchoord works really well for 568 00:28:45,396 --> 00:28:49,036 Speaker 2: a certain thing riff is happening. But then I found 569 00:28:49,076 --> 00:28:54,956 Speaker 2: like different inversions and I realized, like inversions change everything. 570 00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:58,356 Speaker 1: Yeah, just opens up a whole new door. 571 00:28:58,396 --> 00:29:01,876 Speaker 2: At first, it was just like a third over, like 572 00:29:01,956 --> 00:29:05,636 Speaker 2: you know, like three, five one, and then piano inversions 573 00:29:05,636 --> 00:29:07,996 Speaker 2: started coming in, and then that's like where I am now. 574 00:29:08,076 --> 00:29:12,116 Speaker 2: I feel like those different versions allow me to they 575 00:29:12,156 --> 00:29:13,756 Speaker 2: all come from me a little lazy. 576 00:29:13,956 --> 00:29:15,956 Speaker 1: You don't have to move so much. Yeah you can, you. 577 00:29:16,436 --> 00:29:18,556 Speaker 2: Like, oh I look this minor here, and then there's this. 578 00:29:18,836 --> 00:29:23,516 Speaker 2: The progressions of guitar are all are all right there, 579 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:26,276 Speaker 2: so it's like I mean, not always, but it just 580 00:29:26,356 --> 00:29:30,356 Speaker 2: it can lean itself to new sounds and stuff like that. 581 00:29:30,476 --> 00:29:32,756 Speaker 2: So like I think when I started, I didn't know 582 00:29:32,796 --> 00:29:35,476 Speaker 2: what I was doing, not that anyone else in. 583 00:29:35,396 --> 00:29:35,916 Speaker 1: The band knew. 584 00:29:36,956 --> 00:29:40,596 Speaker 2: We all kind of like discovered knowing that together. I 585 00:29:40,596 --> 00:29:44,476 Speaker 2: remember early on though in La and first hearing god 586 00:29:44,556 --> 00:29:47,956 Speaker 2: By Voices and I was sixteen, and maybe it was 587 00:29:47,996 --> 00:29:51,596 Speaker 2: like hearing that band that was like the you said, 588 00:29:51,596 --> 00:29:53,596 Speaker 2: how did you keep going? So I probably, you know, 589 00:29:53,676 --> 00:29:57,596 Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen, maybe as young as twelve, learning stuff, but 590 00:29:57,676 --> 00:30:02,036 Speaker 2: like not really committed. Fourteen fifteen you're more committed. You know, 591 00:30:02,036 --> 00:30:05,196 Speaker 2: it's like ninth grade, you know, first getting stone and 592 00:30:05,356 --> 00:30:07,516 Speaker 2: life just changes and you hear music and you become 593 00:30:07,516 --> 00:30:08,156 Speaker 2: a different person. 594 00:30:08,236 --> 00:30:12,556 Speaker 1: Feels like overnight, you watch movies and you're like these 595 00:30:12,596 --> 00:30:15,076 Speaker 1: people are incredible movie. What am I doing? 596 00:30:15,116 --> 00:30:16,476 Speaker 2: And I went to like a private school, and you 597 00:30:16,516 --> 00:30:19,956 Speaker 2: just like everyone's so boring. At no offense to people 598 00:30:19,956 --> 00:30:22,316 Speaker 2: in my school, it was just like they're all so nice. 599 00:30:22,356 --> 00:30:26,836 Speaker 2: I just mean, like the conversation was always just like college, married, 600 00:30:27,476 --> 00:30:31,076 Speaker 2: make money, and so it just felt like there had to. 601 00:30:31,036 --> 00:30:31,796 Speaker 1: Be more. 602 00:30:33,076 --> 00:30:37,156 Speaker 2: To it than that, and it all felt like so 603 00:30:37,636 --> 00:30:41,276 Speaker 2: planned out. I just remember, like I at sixteen and 604 00:30:41,276 --> 00:30:43,996 Speaker 2: then I got my voices were like some a band 605 00:30:44,036 --> 00:30:46,316 Speaker 2: where I heard and I know everyone talks about their 606 00:30:46,356 --> 00:30:49,836 Speaker 2: low fidelity. I didn't listen to them like, oh this 607 00:30:49,916 --> 00:30:54,076 Speaker 2: is low fidelity. I just heard amazing melodies and songs 608 00:30:54,236 --> 00:30:57,996 Speaker 2: and like words and it hit me. It was like 609 00:30:58,116 --> 00:31:01,996 Speaker 2: visceral music that hit my gut, that made me feel 610 00:31:02,036 --> 00:31:04,916 Speaker 2: different as a person, like I walked down the street 611 00:31:05,076 --> 00:31:07,796 Speaker 2: with a different attitude. And I think it's when you 612 00:31:07,836 --> 00:31:11,916 Speaker 2: find stuff like that you feel like they're just game changers. 613 00:31:11,956 --> 00:31:15,316 Speaker 2: You're like I was just like, I will find a way. 614 00:31:15,716 --> 00:31:17,316 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter I need to be the kid at 615 00:31:17,316 --> 00:31:21,236 Speaker 2: the assembly. I don't need to I'll find my way. 616 00:31:21,556 --> 00:31:25,796 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. Once you found guided by Voices, did 617 00:31:25,876 --> 00:31:28,756 Speaker 1: similar sounds continue to excite you or did you sort 618 00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:31,996 Speaker 1: of go like, you know, some people have an evolution 619 00:31:32,076 --> 00:31:34,916 Speaker 1: where they discover something. They're like like guided by voices, 620 00:31:34,956 --> 00:31:37,556 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, like, well they liked you know, 621 00:31:38,156 --> 00:31:40,636 Speaker 1: I don't know Susie and in the banshees or whatever, they 622 00:31:41,596 --> 00:31:42,476 Speaker 1: will just keep going. 623 00:31:42,316 --> 00:31:44,716 Speaker 2: Forward or I don't, Oh no, I find I definitely 624 00:31:44,756 --> 00:31:48,076 Speaker 2: found people like that. I had a close friend named 625 00:31:48,076 --> 00:31:52,476 Speaker 2: Matt Rivetto who was like my slightly older and he 626 00:31:52,636 --> 00:31:57,436 Speaker 2: was like my style and music like icon, you know, 627 00:31:57,476 --> 00:31:59,316 Speaker 2: he was like eighteen, I was sixteen. I just like 628 00:31:59,396 --> 00:32:03,476 Speaker 2: looked up to him at the coolest hair, dressed like 629 00:32:03,516 --> 00:32:07,636 Speaker 2: these weird thrift suits, and I was just like, this 630 00:32:07,716 --> 00:32:11,836 Speaker 2: guy is amazing, and yeah, he would show me stuff 631 00:32:11,876 --> 00:32:14,676 Speaker 2: and it was amazing to see, like like. 632 00:32:14,596 --> 00:32:16,356 Speaker 1: The modern Lovers. 633 00:32:17,076 --> 00:32:20,836 Speaker 2: That band had the guitars and keyboard and talking heads 634 00:32:22,036 --> 00:32:25,196 Speaker 2: and the drummer in the cars, you know, and. 635 00:32:25,156 --> 00:32:28,356 Speaker 1: So it's like and you just start you start going 636 00:32:28,396 --> 00:32:29,396 Speaker 1: to that. You say Elvis. 637 00:32:29,116 --> 00:32:32,316 Speaker 2: Costello and then like Nick Lowe because he produced it, 638 00:32:32,716 --> 00:32:35,876 Speaker 2: and you hear his songs and you're just like, oh wow, 639 00:32:35,916 --> 00:32:39,276 Speaker 2: he was like such an interesting songwriter. And then those 640 00:32:39,316 --> 00:32:44,196 Speaker 2: songs are similar to like Squeeze, but those early time 641 00:32:44,276 --> 00:32:47,036 Speaker 2: with like guy to have voices was probably like in 642 00:32:47,116 --> 00:32:50,596 Speaker 2: that same world would be like built to spill. They 643 00:32:50,596 --> 00:32:53,756 Speaker 2: were very moving for me. They covered Someday at Irving 644 00:32:53,796 --> 00:32:57,596 Speaker 2: Plaza in like two thousand and one or two. We 645 00:32:57,676 --> 00:33:01,236 Speaker 2: came to see them and they scribbled it from the 646 00:33:01,236 --> 00:33:03,716 Speaker 2: set list. I mean, we didn't see it, and we're like, oh, 647 00:33:03,716 --> 00:33:05,716 Speaker 2: it's so weird that they were scribbling. I know they 648 00:33:05,716 --> 00:33:09,556 Speaker 2: get stoned and maybe they got weird. But but and 649 00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:11,716 Speaker 2: then they covered it and it was like the best. 650 00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:13,876 Speaker 2: You know, normally when someone covers a song, you're just like, 651 00:33:14,836 --> 00:33:19,556 Speaker 2: thanks for ruining it. They did such an amazing job. 652 00:33:19,796 --> 00:33:21,676 Speaker 2: It was like I was like anything. Jill and I 653 00:33:21,756 --> 00:33:24,396 Speaker 2: were like crying at the show. It was so good. 654 00:33:24,716 --> 00:33:26,196 Speaker 1: It was great, man. 655 00:33:26,876 --> 00:33:30,996 Speaker 2: But yeah, just an amazing band right with like songs. Yeah, 656 00:33:30,996 --> 00:33:33,956 Speaker 2: who else was in there? I mean so many people, 657 00:33:33,996 --> 00:33:40,076 Speaker 2: you know, the The Cure of the Cars, the Beatles, Stones. 658 00:33:41,356 --> 00:33:43,076 Speaker 2: But I also grew up with like Phil Collins and 659 00:33:43,116 --> 00:33:46,476 Speaker 2: Elton John when I was like nine ten. I love 660 00:33:46,556 --> 00:33:48,796 Speaker 2: those songs, So I bet part of me still has 661 00:33:48,836 --> 00:33:52,196 Speaker 2: those like big eighties songs deep inside me. 662 00:33:52,516 --> 00:33:54,316 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, man. 663 00:33:54,516 --> 00:33:56,156 Speaker 2: Like I don't find it cheesy. I think they're just 664 00:33:56,196 --> 00:33:59,076 Speaker 2: like really good songs. Whitney Houston, Like I just I'm 665 00:33:59,116 --> 00:33:59,436 Speaker 2: just like. 666 00:33:59,476 --> 00:34:02,956 Speaker 1: Man, are you Whitney fan? Yeah? I love Whitney Houston. Man. Yeah, 667 00:34:03,156 --> 00:34:06,956 Speaker 1: amazing voice, I mean, my god, amazing voice. And also 668 00:34:07,156 --> 00:34:10,116 Speaker 1: like could go really big and like do like the 669 00:34:10,636 --> 00:34:12,836 Speaker 1: I have an incredible voice thing. It could also just 670 00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:16,916 Speaker 1: be sing a song straight and just fucked you're so good. 671 00:34:17,436 --> 00:34:21,716 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just an incredible This was around that time. 672 00:34:21,756 --> 00:34:25,556 Speaker 2: I mean, you slowly build. I have like an encyclopedia 673 00:34:25,636 --> 00:34:28,476 Speaker 2: of music. What's funny is that I got into music 674 00:34:28,516 --> 00:34:31,196 Speaker 2: at different stages, right, Like I remember being like my 675 00:34:31,276 --> 00:34:34,276 Speaker 2: early thirties and I got into the Misfits, and I 676 00:34:34,316 --> 00:34:37,476 Speaker 2: feel like that's a band you find when you're like fifteen. Yeah, 677 00:34:37,516 --> 00:34:40,556 Speaker 2: but like I feel like my fifteen was like thirty one. 678 00:34:41,636 --> 00:34:43,796 Speaker 2: Like I was like late to the late to Honestly, 679 00:34:43,796 --> 00:34:45,716 Speaker 2: it was late to the game. Like in my early thirties, 680 00:34:46,596 --> 00:34:49,636 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I need something like this in 681 00:34:49,676 --> 00:34:51,276 Speaker 2: my set list when I play, I need some like 682 00:34:51,316 --> 00:34:52,196 Speaker 2: aggression like that. 683 00:34:52,236 --> 00:34:54,076 Speaker 1: And I spent like a whole. 684 00:34:54,716 --> 00:34:59,316 Speaker 2: Record trying to find my own versions of it. It's 685 00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:01,716 Speaker 2: so I didn't want to sound like the misfits, But 686 00:35:01,756 --> 00:35:03,956 Speaker 2: I just I liked the vibe that it was. It 687 00:35:03,996 --> 00:35:06,956 Speaker 2: was coming off right, and I so, I mean, it's 688 00:35:07,116 --> 00:35:09,116 Speaker 2: it's funny to have that delay, because I did feel 689 00:35:09,236 --> 00:35:11,996 Speaker 2: like that's something when you have like a teenage anks 690 00:35:12,076 --> 00:35:14,076 Speaker 2: usually and I had that like. 691 00:35:15,756 --> 00:35:18,676 Speaker 1: An angst in my early thirties. Sometimes I rediscover my 692 00:35:18,756 --> 00:35:20,476 Speaker 1: teenage angst. I don't know why I was. I mean, 693 00:35:21,076 --> 00:35:22,756 Speaker 1: I was listening to a lot of your solo records 694 00:35:22,796 --> 00:35:25,076 Speaker 1: and a lot of Stroke stuff in the last few days, 695 00:35:25,116 --> 00:35:27,516 Speaker 1: and then for some reason on the way here, I 696 00:35:27,596 --> 00:35:29,956 Speaker 1: don't know if it was because of listening to you 697 00:35:30,036 --> 00:35:33,076 Speaker 1: got your music or what, but I just was compelled 698 00:35:33,076 --> 00:35:35,636 Speaker 1: to put on Black Sabbath, which is so cool. You know. 699 00:35:36,036 --> 00:35:37,876 Speaker 1: Oftentimes it just comes on and it's like cool, but 700 00:35:37,996 --> 00:35:40,676 Speaker 1: actually put it on this time, and uh, I was 701 00:35:40,716 --> 00:35:43,076 Speaker 1: like fuck. I feel like yeah, I feel like fuck, fuck. 702 00:35:42,916 --> 00:35:45,636 Speaker 2: The world, you know, like there's such a there's such 703 00:35:45,636 --> 00:35:50,116 Speaker 2: a cool, interesting band. I feel like sometimes they're they're 704 00:35:50,276 --> 00:35:53,636 Speaker 2: like logo or what people think they are because time 705 00:35:53,676 --> 00:35:56,876 Speaker 2: has passed and people have been inspired by them. But 706 00:35:56,956 --> 00:36:02,276 Speaker 2: they're very melodic band. Yeah, and like this stuff is 707 00:36:02,316 --> 00:36:05,956 Speaker 2: like not that distorted or dirty. It's like a very 708 00:36:05,996 --> 00:36:10,436 Speaker 2: it's very straightforward. It's not theatrical. Maybe that's why it 709 00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:12,716 Speaker 2: lasted the test of time a little more, because it's 710 00:36:12,756 --> 00:36:15,756 Speaker 2: like and he has a very he discovered early on 711 00:36:15,916 --> 00:36:18,036 Speaker 2: his voice right away, so as soon as you hear it, 712 00:36:18,076 --> 00:36:20,596 Speaker 2: you're just like, yeah, it's a hook in itself. Yes, 713 00:36:20,916 --> 00:36:27,236 Speaker 2: you know, even on a solo, stuff was crazy train crazy, yeah, solo, Yeah. 714 00:36:26,956 --> 00:36:29,316 Speaker 1: It was that. Randy Rhodes play guitars. Yeah, such a 715 00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:31,116 Speaker 1: guitar player. Such a guitar player. 716 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:33,236 Speaker 2: I don't forget the leads so because sometimes when it's 717 00:36:33,276 --> 00:36:35,636 Speaker 2: like so much fire, it's like cool, I know, you 718 00:36:35,676 --> 00:36:36,396 Speaker 2: play very fast. 719 00:36:36,476 --> 00:36:40,236 Speaker 1: But just like the. 720 00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:42,996 Speaker 2: Verse licks that he's doing in there are like I mean, 721 00:36:43,236 --> 00:36:45,676 Speaker 2: like I could just listen to that and that'd be enough. 722 00:36:45,836 --> 00:36:47,876 Speaker 2: You'd like, yeah, you have an amazing song. You don't 723 00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:50,796 Speaker 2: need to play anything else. But yeah, no, he really 724 00:36:50,836 --> 00:36:52,916 Speaker 2: got it. He knows his vocal sound. 725 00:36:53,316 --> 00:36:55,956 Speaker 1: It's funny. No one tried a lot of people copy 726 00:36:56,036 --> 00:36:58,596 Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, but doesn't seem like anyone really tried to copy. 727 00:36:58,796 --> 00:37:03,396 Speaker 1: They did not. But no, like that heavy guitar stuff 728 00:37:03,516 --> 00:37:10,316 Speaker 1: with like Azzi's sometimes sounds like you could be I know, yeah, yeah, 729 00:37:10,436 --> 00:37:10,956 Speaker 1: it doesn't. 730 00:37:11,156 --> 00:37:14,036 Speaker 2: Like that's where I feel like people got influenced by it, 731 00:37:14,116 --> 00:37:16,836 Speaker 2: but then they they took a part of it that 732 00:37:16,876 --> 00:37:19,756 Speaker 2: I don't hear when I listen when I when I 733 00:37:19,836 --> 00:37:21,076 Speaker 2: listen to and. 734 00:37:21,036 --> 00:37:23,276 Speaker 1: Even the drums, like the drums are really loose, like 735 00:37:23,316 --> 00:37:25,516 Speaker 1: they're cool that there's a lot of parts, but like 736 00:37:25,556 --> 00:37:28,996 Speaker 1: it feels also loose and I don't know jazz like jazzy, 737 00:37:29,076 --> 00:37:30,156 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, very cool. 738 00:37:30,156 --> 00:37:34,196 Speaker 2: They're a very cool fan I also got into later 739 00:37:34,236 --> 00:37:37,156 Speaker 2: in life. Yeah, just that happens. Like I also like 740 00:37:37,276 --> 00:37:42,196 Speaker 2: this never a fan of led Zeppelin to this day 741 00:37:43,556 --> 00:37:45,996 Speaker 2: just doesn't move me. Wow, just like. 742 00:37:46,036 --> 00:37:49,596 Speaker 1: No part of it. I mean, they're all amazing musicians. 743 00:37:49,836 --> 00:37:50,996 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. 744 00:37:51,156 --> 00:37:54,676 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm It's just not something that I put on 745 00:37:54,716 --> 00:37:55,556 Speaker 2: and I'm just like. 746 00:37:57,356 --> 00:37:59,036 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't give meaning to me. 747 00:37:59,476 --> 00:38:01,596 Speaker 2: I know people are they're like wow, really, I'm like, 748 00:38:01,676 --> 00:38:03,036 Speaker 2: I know, I've tried. 749 00:38:03,116 --> 00:38:04,796 Speaker 1: I almost feel they're a part of it that you 750 00:38:04,836 --> 00:38:06,716 Speaker 1: don't like when you hear it is you're like, oh 751 00:38:06,756 --> 00:38:08,036 Speaker 1: fuck that annoys me or this. 752 00:38:08,276 --> 00:38:10,836 Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of the of the vocals. 753 00:38:12,036 --> 00:38:14,756 Speaker 2: I mean I think that all bands, even ones I 754 00:38:14,756 --> 00:38:17,916 Speaker 2: don't they got some great songs and I listen to 755 00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:20,076 Speaker 2: parts and like they have it, but as a whole, 756 00:38:20,116 --> 00:38:22,796 Speaker 2: like I don't like put it. There's a few bands 757 00:38:22,796 --> 00:38:26,396 Speaker 2: that are like that. People are like blown away. I 758 00:38:26,436 --> 00:38:29,916 Speaker 2: never really got into Pink Floyd. I love some of 759 00:38:29,916 --> 00:38:32,396 Speaker 2: the guitar playing those with the solos. I would totally 760 00:38:33,156 --> 00:38:36,716 Speaker 2: the Benz the literal bends that sounded like the radio 761 00:38:36,756 --> 00:38:38,756 Speaker 2: Head out but like the way they would bend or 762 00:38:38,796 --> 00:38:41,196 Speaker 2: do something like I would like, Ooh, I like that, 763 00:38:41,356 --> 00:38:43,356 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like because I'm definitely one 764 00:38:43,396 --> 00:38:46,116 Speaker 2: that just because I don't like something wouldn't mean I 765 00:38:46,156 --> 00:38:49,116 Speaker 2: wouldn't reference a drum pattern from led Zeppelin and be like, 766 00:38:49,196 --> 00:38:51,796 Speaker 2: oh that's cool, let's do something like that. Yeah, I 767 00:38:51,956 --> 00:38:53,796 Speaker 2: just they're just what I mean is don't like is 768 00:38:53,836 --> 00:38:56,436 Speaker 2: like I never They never moved me like I was 769 00:38:56,436 --> 00:38:59,196 Speaker 2: describing God to my voices, where I like it gave 770 00:38:59,196 --> 00:39:00,516 Speaker 2: me attitude to walk around. 771 00:39:00,556 --> 00:39:00,916 Speaker 1: I didn't. 772 00:39:00,956 --> 00:39:03,116 Speaker 2: I never felt that I'm waiting. I'm still waiting for 773 00:39:03,156 --> 00:39:06,396 Speaker 2: the day. The Smiths never got into them. Everyone's like, wow, really, 774 00:39:07,516 --> 00:39:10,436 Speaker 2: who's another one that everyone's kind of radiohead? 775 00:39:12,876 --> 00:39:17,076 Speaker 1: Fuck? Great radio as amazing song. 776 00:39:18,716 --> 00:39:20,796 Speaker 2: That I would listen to for sure, but I've never 777 00:39:20,876 --> 00:39:22,636 Speaker 2: like put on one of their records and. 778 00:39:22,556 --> 00:39:26,916 Speaker 1: Like luxuriated in the Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely songs where 779 00:39:26,916 --> 00:39:30,076 Speaker 1: I'm like, is it the feeling? I honestly have no. 780 00:39:30,436 --> 00:39:32,876 Speaker 1: I have no clue you think I want to be 781 00:39:32,916 --> 00:39:35,156 Speaker 1: outside of it. I want to be on the inside. 782 00:39:36,196 --> 00:39:37,916 Speaker 1: It's to be super clear. 783 00:39:37,956 --> 00:39:41,476 Speaker 2: I don't dislike all these bands are incredible. 784 00:39:41,516 --> 00:39:42,196 Speaker 1: It's just your takes. 785 00:39:42,316 --> 00:39:44,836 Speaker 2: I would be honored to be in any of these 786 00:39:44,876 --> 00:39:46,796 Speaker 2: bands or even come close as a musician. 787 00:39:47,476 --> 00:39:49,476 Speaker 1: Nothing to do with that. You don't think you're better. 788 00:39:49,636 --> 00:39:54,596 Speaker 1: I like parts and songs of theirs, all of it. 789 00:39:54,596 --> 00:39:56,796 Speaker 1: It's just these are just it's funny that they are 790 00:39:57,636 --> 00:40:01,756 Speaker 1: bands that have created something for other people that I 791 00:40:01,836 --> 00:40:05,236 Speaker 1: didn't get that didn't happen to me yet. That's all. 792 00:40:05,276 --> 00:40:07,636 Speaker 1: That's the only thing I'm saying. Like, did you hate 793 00:40:07,636 --> 00:40:09,556 Speaker 1: the Misfits until you heard them? I didn't. 794 00:40:10,396 --> 00:40:14,596 Speaker 2: Wait, I didn't say I hated anyone. I hadn't heard 795 00:40:14,596 --> 00:40:16,756 Speaker 2: of the Misfits. No, when I was a teenager, I 796 00:40:16,796 --> 00:40:19,516 Speaker 2: didn't know the mis I literally discovered them, Like, who 797 00:40:19,596 --> 00:40:20,156 Speaker 2: is this band? 798 00:40:20,196 --> 00:40:24,996 Speaker 1: This is amazing? You remember what song was? Uh? Last Caress? 799 00:40:26,156 --> 00:40:28,396 Speaker 1: And I was just like how did I not know this? 800 00:40:29,476 --> 00:40:31,436 Speaker 1: And then I proceeded to write like three or four 801 00:40:31,476 --> 00:40:34,796 Speaker 1: demos that it was like trying to be I even 802 00:40:34,836 --> 00:40:36,436 Speaker 1: covered that song live for a little bit. 803 00:40:36,596 --> 00:40:38,356 Speaker 2: But you know, I don't hate any of those bands 804 00:40:38,356 --> 00:40:41,356 Speaker 2: that I said. I think they're amazing. It's just like 805 00:40:41,436 --> 00:40:45,516 Speaker 2: it doesn't resonate. Yeah, And that doesn't like mean there's 806 00:40:45,556 --> 00:40:50,356 Speaker 2: probably even other bands. There's bands I like, uh song 807 00:40:50,436 --> 00:40:53,156 Speaker 2: from songs from them are amazing that I I might 808 00:40:53,196 --> 00:40:56,836 Speaker 2: have had moments with them. You can't have a moment 809 00:40:56,876 --> 00:40:59,356 Speaker 2: with everything. And sometimes it's just like how That's why 810 00:40:59,676 --> 00:41:03,156 Speaker 2: reviewing a record's kind of funny, because you know, like 811 00:41:03,356 --> 00:41:05,316 Speaker 2: how many times have you listened to your favorite songs? 812 00:41:05,356 --> 00:41:07,396 Speaker 2: And some days you're kind of like hu, and other 813 00:41:07,476 --> 00:41:10,156 Speaker 2: days you're like you could be crying or like it's connected. 814 00:41:10,236 --> 00:41:12,356 Speaker 2: You're in the matrix and you're like stopping the bullets. 815 00:41:13,076 --> 00:41:16,796 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there's there's there's there's groups that I 816 00:41:16,836 --> 00:41:19,756 Speaker 1: dislike and songs that I songs at least that I 817 00:41:19,796 --> 00:41:22,356 Speaker 1: intensely hate. But then once while I hear that song 818 00:41:23,276 --> 00:41:25,796 Speaker 1: coming through the window or something random, and I'm like, fuck, 819 00:41:25,876 --> 00:41:27,956 Speaker 1: this sounds really good. It happened recently and I can't 820 00:41:27,956 --> 00:41:29,956 Speaker 1: remember wish I could remember what song it was, And 821 00:41:30,036 --> 00:41:31,876 Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, do I like maybe I kind 822 00:41:31,876 --> 00:41:32,956 Speaker 1: of like. 823 00:41:32,276 --> 00:41:35,396 Speaker 2: I like this, That's what I'm waiting for. That's what 824 00:41:35,436 --> 00:41:39,596 Speaker 2: I'm I'm it's it's come. It's definitely come close on 825 00:41:39,636 --> 00:41:43,036 Speaker 2: some of on some of those, they've all turned around 826 00:41:43,036 --> 00:41:44,316 Speaker 2: a little bit, except for led Zepp. 827 00:41:46,836 --> 00:41:48,916 Speaker 1: Are people tempted to try to turn you like. 828 00:41:48,876 --> 00:41:53,716 Speaker 2: They're always blown away. They that's the last thing they 829 00:41:53,756 --> 00:41:58,236 Speaker 2: would think that I would, I would say, And then 830 00:41:58,276 --> 00:42:00,516 Speaker 2: some people are like, you know what, I get it. 831 00:42:01,116 --> 00:42:03,716 Speaker 1: I get it. But still I want to make it 832 00:42:03,916 --> 00:42:07,636 Speaker 1: super clear that I think they're amazing musicians. 833 00:42:07,676 --> 00:42:10,156 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm going to get I'm just waiting 834 00:42:10,756 --> 00:42:12,756 Speaker 2: for the hate I'm going to get on this. 835 00:42:13,276 --> 00:42:17,796 Speaker 1: They're amazing musicians. Some amazing I just mean. 836 00:42:17,796 --> 00:42:22,676 Speaker 2: Like the three hour show, some of the long jams, 837 00:42:22,876 --> 00:42:24,836 Speaker 2: some of like the vibe they went for. 838 00:42:25,956 --> 00:42:29,476 Speaker 1: Just it's not like what I'd want to play, you 839 00:42:29,516 --> 00:42:30,036 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 840 00:42:30,156 --> 00:42:33,796 Speaker 2: Like I'd rather like, I mean, look at my top 841 00:42:35,156 --> 00:42:37,916 Speaker 2: songs over here, what do you got to song? Like 842 00:42:37,956 --> 00:42:43,316 Speaker 2: I'd rather put on Philip Glass String Quartet number three, 843 00:42:43,476 --> 00:42:45,516 Speaker 2: Like I'd rather hear. 844 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,756 Speaker 1: That we have to pause for another quick break, and 845 00:42:48,796 --> 00:42:50,916 Speaker 1: then we'll come back with the rest of my conversation 846 00:42:51,356 --> 00:42:59,396 Speaker 1: with Albert Hammond Jr. We're back with Albert Hammon Jr. 847 00:42:59,756 --> 00:43:01,996 Speaker 1: Do you think your critical voice makes you better, like 848 00:43:02,076 --> 00:43:06,036 Speaker 1: if you were being honest with yourself. I don't. It's 849 00:43:06,076 --> 00:43:09,116 Speaker 1: the same way. I don't think so people think. 850 00:43:10,636 --> 00:43:12,116 Speaker 2: I mean, it's fun to do drugs, but people do 851 00:43:12,196 --> 00:43:14,236 Speaker 2: drugs and creating because it's like I need to be 852 00:43:14,436 --> 00:43:19,436 Speaker 2: like dark, right. I think you do need your shadow 853 00:43:19,516 --> 00:43:22,076 Speaker 2: and your dark side to create, but you don't need 854 00:43:22,156 --> 00:43:26,436 Speaker 2: to do drugs or be angry or have that stuff 855 00:43:26,476 --> 00:43:28,716 Speaker 2: to enter the shadow. I mean, the shadow is there 856 00:43:29,276 --> 00:43:32,036 Speaker 2: all the time, you know what I mean. I think 857 00:43:32,076 --> 00:43:38,236 Speaker 2: it's just embracing the shadow and like nurturing it and 858 00:43:38,316 --> 00:43:41,636 Speaker 2: like sucking that creative. 859 00:43:41,676 --> 00:43:44,876 Speaker 1: That's where like creation really is in there. You know. 860 00:43:45,196 --> 00:43:48,356 Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually feel I can I feel like two 861 00:43:48,356 --> 00:43:50,396 Speaker 2: different people, like how I live my life and then 862 00:43:50,436 --> 00:43:52,916 Speaker 2: how I am when I create. It takes a second 863 00:43:52,956 --> 00:43:54,596 Speaker 2: to get in. Like the guy who pays the bills 864 00:43:54,676 --> 00:43:57,396 Speaker 2: or drives or you know, I like put stuff in 865 00:43:57,396 --> 00:44:02,476 Speaker 2: my calendar. I'm organized. That guy is not the guy creating. 866 00:44:03,596 --> 00:44:07,276 Speaker 2: You know, the guy creating is like more of a 867 00:44:07,836 --> 00:44:08,516 Speaker 2: more of a mess. 868 00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:10,956 Speaker 1: Does one feel more like you? 869 00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:15,756 Speaker 2: They both feel like me, but in fact that you 870 00:44:15,796 --> 00:44:18,676 Speaker 2: used always tell my therapist like I want to be 871 00:44:18,716 --> 00:44:20,876 Speaker 2: like Indiana Jones, but part of me feels like Indiana 872 00:44:20,916 --> 00:44:24,636 Speaker 2: Jones who's in the plastic box and the toy store, 873 00:44:24,676 --> 00:44:27,156 Speaker 2: Like I'm doing it, but I'm not actually living it. 874 00:44:27,436 --> 00:44:29,796 Speaker 2: That makes sense, Like I used to be worse and 875 00:44:29,836 --> 00:44:33,476 Speaker 2: now I'm a little looser. But like I was like, 876 00:44:33,476 --> 00:44:36,476 Speaker 2: like I need to somehow enjoy the process more than 877 00:44:36,516 --> 00:44:40,756 Speaker 2: the end result. I noticed it in like getting something 878 00:44:40,836 --> 00:44:43,356 Speaker 2: ready in my in my house from moving. It's like 879 00:44:43,396 --> 00:44:45,476 Speaker 2: you just want to get it done, but then when 880 00:44:45,476 --> 00:44:48,516 Speaker 2: it's done, something else you have to do. 881 00:44:48,516 --> 00:44:48,996 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 882 00:44:49,276 --> 00:44:52,396 Speaker 2: If you don't enjoy getting there, that's all you have 883 00:44:52,756 --> 00:44:53,476 Speaker 2: is the getting there. 884 00:44:53,516 --> 00:44:56,756 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all we're all doing always. And so 885 00:44:56,796 --> 00:44:59,156 Speaker 1: when you think about the creative, like there's these two people. 886 00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:02,276 Speaker 1: The person who pays bills and drives and puts stuff 887 00:45:02,276 --> 00:45:04,756 Speaker 1: on your calendar, and then there's the creative person. The 888 00:45:04,796 --> 00:45:08,156 Speaker 1: creative person or the person who's creating. Is that the 889 00:45:08,196 --> 00:45:11,116 Speaker 1: same person that goes like on tour, when you tour. 890 00:45:11,156 --> 00:45:14,996 Speaker 2: No, no, the person on Maybe sometimes on stage you 891 00:45:15,036 --> 00:45:18,876 Speaker 2: can get lost in it, but being on stage isn't 892 00:45:19,036 --> 00:45:22,956 Speaker 2: like you know people like, oh just got flow and 893 00:45:22,996 --> 00:45:25,636 Speaker 2: I just got caught into it. At least for me, 894 00:45:27,036 --> 00:45:30,436 Speaker 2: stage is like the way someone describes playing a tennis match, 895 00:45:31,836 --> 00:45:37,796 Speaker 2: fucking nailing it, gonna beat this guy. To just breathe 896 00:45:38,036 --> 00:45:40,436 Speaker 2: just because you didn't do something right. You don't fall 897 00:45:40,476 --> 00:45:46,916 Speaker 2: apart while looking like you belong there, never ever showing that. 898 00:45:46,956 --> 00:45:50,316 Speaker 2: But so it's like this inner thing that's just like 899 00:45:50,636 --> 00:45:53,156 Speaker 2: the amount of times I've had an amazing show has 900 00:45:53,196 --> 00:45:57,076 Speaker 2: gone from like starts strong, I feel like I'm falling apart, 901 00:45:57,116 --> 00:45:59,676 Speaker 2: and I come back, and then something happens and you 902 00:45:59,756 --> 00:46:03,156 Speaker 2: get lost, and then where you want to push the 903 00:46:03,196 --> 00:46:05,556 Speaker 2: crowd away, they go, and then you're able to bring 904 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:08,916 Speaker 2: them back, and at the end you have more of 905 00:46:08,996 --> 00:46:12,996 Speaker 2: that than when you started, So you feel like you 906 00:46:12,996 --> 00:46:15,956 Speaker 2: did something right in there. That's usually like it's a 907 00:46:16,196 --> 00:46:18,956 Speaker 2: show is like a whole experience. That's why you're so 908 00:46:19,156 --> 00:46:20,196 Speaker 2: trained afterwards. 909 00:46:21,036 --> 00:46:23,556 Speaker 1: It's like it's never just like I went out there 910 00:46:23,596 --> 00:46:24,516 Speaker 1: and did my thing. 911 00:46:25,876 --> 00:46:29,196 Speaker 2: I wish that sounds amazing if doing your thing is 912 00:46:29,196 --> 00:46:32,076 Speaker 2: a ninety minute movie then yes, that's what happens with 913 00:46:32,236 --> 00:46:36,636 Speaker 2: ups and downs and curveballs, and like your show is 914 00:46:36,716 --> 00:46:39,676 Speaker 2: like your whole mix and so like, and sometimes you're not. 915 00:46:40,716 --> 00:46:42,516 Speaker 2: This is more of when I'm doing solo stuff. But 916 00:46:42,516 --> 00:46:44,476 Speaker 2: you're not at one hundred percent because you can't be. 917 00:46:44,596 --> 00:46:45,596 Speaker 2: You're on tour. 918 00:46:45,676 --> 00:46:46,436 Speaker 1: You're never going to be. 919 00:46:47,396 --> 00:46:49,916 Speaker 2: It's about learning how to be at like seventy percent, 920 00:46:50,236 --> 00:46:53,316 Speaker 2: but doing the show like you were at one hundred. 921 00:46:53,596 --> 00:46:55,476 Speaker 2: It really is like and that's kind of like the 922 00:46:55,596 --> 00:46:58,356 Speaker 2: secret to playing live music because it's never like you're 923 00:46:58,396 --> 00:47:01,996 Speaker 2: at home. I meditated for three weeks, took the perfect shower, 924 00:47:02,076 --> 00:47:03,996 Speaker 2: my hair is sitting just right. Let's just go do 925 00:47:04,076 --> 00:47:05,996 Speaker 2: a show. It's like that, except the next day you 926 00:47:06,036 --> 00:47:07,076 Speaker 2: have to do another. 927 00:47:06,796 --> 00:47:09,036 Speaker 1: One, and you have to somehow get to the next. 928 00:47:08,916 --> 00:47:11,756 Speaker 2: You're just like yeah, especially on the soul stuff, You're 929 00:47:11,796 --> 00:47:15,236 Speaker 2: just you're tired. Nothing that you wanted to do is 930 00:47:15,956 --> 00:47:17,076 Speaker 2: come out totally right. 931 00:47:18,036 --> 00:47:21,036 Speaker 1: Has a relationship between changed over timely? Does it evolve? 932 00:47:21,156 --> 00:47:23,396 Speaker 1: Is it like at first it was really fun and 933 00:47:23,436 --> 00:47:25,076 Speaker 1: then it became a drag and then it's. 934 00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:31,716 Speaker 2: Never I'm not jaded enough to not enjoy my life. 935 00:47:31,756 --> 00:47:33,556 Speaker 2: I felt like I was built to be a part 936 00:47:33,556 --> 00:47:37,076 Speaker 2: of a traveling circus cool, Like I do love it. 937 00:47:37,116 --> 00:47:42,596 Speaker 2: In many ways, you are going to not like things 938 00:47:42,636 --> 00:47:46,476 Speaker 2: that you love at some point inevitable. Still has been 939 00:47:46,516 --> 00:47:48,996 Speaker 2: moments where like, I love music and I would write 940 00:47:49,036 --> 00:47:53,916 Speaker 2: songs and record them even if I didn't play music anymore, 941 00:47:53,916 --> 00:47:55,956 Speaker 2: because I just can't. It's just I just do it. 942 00:47:55,996 --> 00:47:57,716 Speaker 2: I don't like I'm gonna sit and write. They just 943 00:47:57,756 --> 00:48:00,756 Speaker 2: like come out right. I don't think I could stop that. 944 00:48:01,396 --> 00:48:03,476 Speaker 2: But it's been moments where I've been like, man, imagine 945 00:48:03,476 --> 00:48:05,876 Speaker 2: if I like didn't play music or something else. So, 946 00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:10,956 Speaker 2: but I don't like dislike tour, and I've learned that 947 00:48:11,276 --> 00:48:14,396 Speaker 2: the longer you do it, it's different solo. In the 948 00:48:14,476 --> 00:48:18,916 Speaker 2: strokes of the luxury is that we have a big 949 00:48:18,956 --> 00:48:22,836 Speaker 2: fan base, and so like it's more comfortable to tour. 950 00:48:23,356 --> 00:48:24,716 Speaker 1: It's cool to reach new. 951 00:48:24,596 --> 00:48:26,556 Speaker 2: Areas you haven't even though you've been doing it for 952 00:48:26,596 --> 00:48:29,956 Speaker 2: twenty years. And it also when you've been doing it 953 00:48:29,996 --> 00:48:32,876 Speaker 2: that much. The high isn't so much from playing a 954 00:48:32,956 --> 00:48:36,796 Speaker 2: new song and having no one know it. The high 955 00:48:36,876 --> 00:48:41,236 Speaker 2: is like watching how people are absorbing stuff that you 956 00:48:41,316 --> 00:48:43,836 Speaker 2: know well and that they know, and then feeding off 957 00:48:43,876 --> 00:48:48,676 Speaker 2: of that energy. Playing a song that is clearly making 958 00:48:48,716 --> 00:48:50,956 Speaker 2: a crowd all feel nostalgic. 959 00:48:52,876 --> 00:48:55,756 Speaker 1: How could that? If that's jading you, then I don't know. 960 00:48:55,796 --> 00:48:58,756 Speaker 2: You gotta go do something because that's like, that's a 961 00:48:58,836 --> 00:49:00,756 Speaker 2: magical thing. 962 00:49:00,796 --> 00:49:01,436 Speaker 1: I feel lucky. 963 00:49:01,436 --> 00:49:03,996 Speaker 2: I wanted to be part of that fabric when I 964 00:49:04,036 --> 00:49:05,756 Speaker 2: was a teenager and I fell in love with music, 965 00:49:06,596 --> 00:49:08,796 Speaker 2: and now to even have glimpses of being part of 966 00:49:08,796 --> 00:49:09,916 Speaker 2: that fat is. 967 00:49:12,196 --> 00:49:14,636 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unreal. It's really cool that you can have 968 00:49:14,676 --> 00:49:18,196 Speaker 1: that perspective on it while doing It's like you still 969 00:49:18,356 --> 00:49:20,716 Speaker 1: maintain the fan perspective in a way. 970 00:49:20,796 --> 00:49:22,556 Speaker 2: I feel like you have to, though I was saying 971 00:49:22,556 --> 00:49:26,636 Speaker 2: that it's like your innocence from it is going to 972 00:49:26,716 --> 00:49:31,076 Speaker 2: get beaten out pretty fast, just by the game you 973 00:49:31,116 --> 00:49:34,916 Speaker 2: have to play. All business is a game, right, and 974 00:49:35,036 --> 00:49:36,436 Speaker 2: when you fall in love with music, you have no 975 00:49:36,516 --> 00:49:38,436 Speaker 2: idea what that game is. But it's not what you 976 00:49:38,556 --> 00:49:40,596 Speaker 2: think it is, and it's not for the love of it. 977 00:49:42,276 --> 00:49:43,396 Speaker 1: You know, there's you know, this. 978 00:49:43,516 --> 00:49:46,516 Speaker 2: Stuff that you have to this stuff you have to do, 979 00:49:47,556 --> 00:49:51,156 Speaker 2: but that's that's okay if you get to like create 980 00:49:51,196 --> 00:49:54,676 Speaker 2: and do other things. Basically everything has a price, Yeah, 981 00:49:54,876 --> 00:49:58,036 Speaker 2: some at some point, small, big, very rarely is that 982 00:49:58,076 --> 00:50:01,156 Speaker 2: I create something so magical that there isn't there's still 983 00:50:01,236 --> 00:50:05,636 Speaker 2: even when you do that, there's still some price somewhere. Yeah, 984 00:50:05,716 --> 00:50:08,596 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, maybe you get tired of doing it, 985 00:50:08,676 --> 00:50:12,156 Speaker 2: so you have to rediscover how to not feel tired 986 00:50:12,196 --> 00:50:12,516 Speaker 2: from it. 987 00:50:12,876 --> 00:50:15,796 Speaker 1: Yeah. How much input do you have on planning a tour? 988 00:50:15,876 --> 00:50:17,436 Speaker 1: Like do you get to like say like I don't 989 00:50:17,476 --> 00:50:20,036 Speaker 1: really want to go there, or do like a festival 990 00:50:20,196 --> 00:50:22,716 Speaker 1: like in my in my Soul stuff or the Stroke stuff. 991 00:50:22,836 --> 00:50:26,716 Speaker 1: I guess both both. Yeah, I mean. 992 00:50:26,796 --> 00:50:30,196 Speaker 2: Touring wise, I would say Julian has the most say. 993 00:50:30,316 --> 00:50:33,476 Speaker 2: I would say most singers have the most say about it. 994 00:50:33,916 --> 00:50:36,916 Speaker 2: Unfortunately that's kind of like or fortunately whatever that's like 995 00:50:38,276 --> 00:50:41,076 Speaker 2: make sense, That's that's part of it. I mean I 996 00:50:41,196 --> 00:50:44,596 Speaker 2: like festivals as like a cherry, you know. To me, 997 00:50:44,676 --> 00:50:50,036 Speaker 2: they're like they're fun when you're doing your own thing, 998 00:50:50,236 --> 00:50:51,876 Speaker 2: and then then then you get to do them because 999 00:50:51,876 --> 00:50:54,596 Speaker 2: they're like this crazy thing. When you just do them, 1000 00:50:55,356 --> 00:50:58,396 Speaker 2: it can get dark because it's how you. 1001 00:50:58,316 --> 00:50:58,916 Speaker 1: Have to look at it. 1002 00:50:58,956 --> 00:51:01,276 Speaker 2: Like a festival crowd, you're gonna play a certain kind 1003 00:51:01,276 --> 00:51:03,636 Speaker 2: of set list, you get seventy five minutes, you're gonna 1004 00:51:03,636 --> 00:51:06,116 Speaker 2: play a set list that appeals more to a mass. 1005 00:51:06,116 --> 00:51:09,276 Speaker 2: You're not really gonna take them too far. It's it's 1006 00:51:09,276 --> 00:51:12,516 Speaker 2: too big. That's not the point of it. That's not 1007 00:51:12,596 --> 00:51:16,476 Speaker 2: the vibe of the party. It's not like a Andy 1008 00:51:16,516 --> 00:51:20,036 Speaker 2: Warhol party and there's a bunch of weird people invited. 1009 00:51:20,156 --> 00:51:24,436 Speaker 2: It's like a very you know, it just it is 1010 00:51:24,476 --> 00:51:27,356 Speaker 2: what it is. And then at your own show you 1011 00:51:27,396 --> 00:51:29,436 Speaker 2: could have a little run of two or three songs 1012 00:51:29,476 --> 00:51:32,556 Speaker 2: that you're almost purposely pushing people away to then bring 1013 00:51:32,596 --> 00:51:34,076 Speaker 2: them back, or like this is where it's going to 1014 00:51:34,156 --> 00:51:37,116 Speaker 2: dip down, and then we can wrap it back up 1015 00:51:37,156 --> 00:51:39,436 Speaker 2: at the end and you can do something that you 1016 00:51:39,436 --> 00:51:42,196 Speaker 2: can play some weirder songs for you, or do something 1017 00:51:42,236 --> 00:51:44,516 Speaker 2: and can go, you can do a jam. You can 1018 00:51:44,596 --> 00:51:46,556 Speaker 2: just have more fun with it. So I think when 1019 00:51:46,596 --> 00:51:52,276 Speaker 2: you're doing that, eventually, like I said, with anything becomes boring. 1020 00:51:52,316 --> 00:51:54,396 Speaker 2: And so the playing the straight ahead thing for the 1021 00:51:54,476 --> 00:51:57,156 Speaker 2: giant audience, you're like, wow, I just played for the 1022 00:51:57,236 --> 00:51:58,276 Speaker 2: sixty thousand people. 1023 00:51:58,316 --> 00:52:03,236 Speaker 1: It's what a rush. So that variety it's helpful. 1024 00:52:03,276 --> 00:52:05,076 Speaker 2: So I always just trying to say everything touring, I 1025 00:52:05,076 --> 00:52:10,436 Speaker 2: always try to like want to have that balanced. But 1026 00:52:10,516 --> 00:52:13,356 Speaker 2: between management and you know they figure it out. Well, 1027 00:52:15,036 --> 00:52:17,396 Speaker 2: my stuff is different. It's like I'd like to tour places, 1028 00:52:17,396 --> 00:52:20,036 Speaker 2: but it's unfortunately. This is what I tried to do 1029 00:52:20,076 --> 00:52:21,996 Speaker 2: on this record was to have less of a band 1030 00:52:22,036 --> 00:52:25,196 Speaker 2: and have more stuff on tracks and create Since I'm 1031 00:52:25,196 --> 00:52:28,396 Speaker 2: not a band, I can create a weird world of 1032 00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:30,796 Speaker 2: like a three piece band with tracks and just have 1033 00:52:30,876 --> 00:52:36,116 Speaker 2: it be like weird or weirder than less straightforward than 1034 00:52:36,156 --> 00:52:39,796 Speaker 2: just having like I've always had just players play everything. 1035 00:52:40,436 --> 00:52:42,996 Speaker 1: I was just trying to be able to afford to 1036 00:52:43,036 --> 00:52:46,436 Speaker 1: go on tour. It's very hard as. 1037 00:52:46,476 --> 00:52:47,796 Speaker 2: Less people are like why don't you come here or 1038 00:52:47,876 --> 00:52:51,276 Speaker 2: come there? It's like I always debate how to talk 1039 00:52:51,276 --> 00:52:54,156 Speaker 2: about this because it's not like it's not a complaint, 1040 00:52:54,996 --> 00:52:59,756 Speaker 2: it's more just like realities of reality, like the band 1041 00:52:59,796 --> 00:53:01,556 Speaker 2: never feels stable enough. 1042 00:53:02,236 --> 00:53:04,076 Speaker 1: To just sit there and enjoy. 1043 00:53:04,356 --> 00:53:08,116 Speaker 2: Okay, Like I never feel like I never saw it's 1044 00:53:08,156 --> 00:53:15,196 Speaker 2: always like older brother. That's not negative positive, it's just 1045 00:53:15,236 --> 00:53:21,636 Speaker 2: like my personalities reaction to this thing I exist in 1046 00:53:22,116 --> 00:53:25,316 Speaker 2: the business, right you can't like you realize that touring 1047 00:53:26,156 --> 00:53:29,876 Speaker 2: in some ways is a luxury, which is great. You're 1048 00:53:29,916 --> 00:53:33,116 Speaker 2: a band that has an audience, like be grateful because 1049 00:53:33,156 --> 00:53:35,156 Speaker 2: that's like, and you can if you can then make 1050 00:53:35,196 --> 00:53:39,036 Speaker 2: money from that, that's an amazing gift. This other bands 1051 00:53:39,036 --> 00:53:42,156 Speaker 2: that would want to do that and just just like can't. 1052 00:53:42,876 --> 00:53:44,716 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd imagine people cold understand because even if 1053 00:53:44,756 --> 00:53:46,076 Speaker 1: you work a regular job and you have to take 1054 00:53:46,076 --> 00:53:48,796 Speaker 1: a business trip, you know, if the money's. 1055 00:53:48,396 --> 00:53:52,676 Speaker 2: Not right, it's like it's always someone else paying musicians 1056 00:53:53,276 --> 00:53:56,476 Speaker 2: like actors have businesses like we are the business even 1057 00:53:56,596 --> 00:54:00,636 Speaker 2: at the highest level, Like who's the biggest They gross 1058 00:54:00,676 --> 00:54:07,516 Speaker 2: crazy amounts of stones right right, they're still paying themselves company. 1059 00:54:07,556 --> 00:54:09,836 Speaker 1: They might get an advance from a big company and stuff. 1060 00:54:09,836 --> 00:54:12,156 Speaker 2: I got to advance it, but they're still at a 1061 00:54:12,196 --> 00:54:15,836 Speaker 2: loss YouTube for like six eight months of that touring, 1062 00:54:15,876 --> 00:54:18,516 Speaker 2: even though they're like the biggest band. There's no like 1063 00:54:18,556 --> 00:54:20,516 Speaker 2: but when you make a movie, the actor is a 1064 00:54:20,556 --> 00:54:23,996 Speaker 2: director is they're not at a loss. It's just the 1065 00:54:24,036 --> 00:54:26,796 Speaker 2: big company paying for it. So it feels a little 1066 00:54:27,956 --> 00:54:29,836 Speaker 2: a little different in that in that way, I mean, 1067 00:54:29,876 --> 00:54:31,636 Speaker 2: maybe that's what makes. 1068 00:54:31,676 --> 00:54:33,276 Speaker 1: Musicians a little cooler than actors. 1069 00:54:33,356 --> 00:54:38,236 Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, it's gonna get outside here and just have 1070 00:54:38,316 --> 00:54:41,396 Speaker 2: a line of actors. I heard what you said, and 1071 00:54:41,436 --> 00:54:47,236 Speaker 2: I'm mildly offended. I can take my mildly offended. The 1072 00:54:47,276 --> 00:54:49,636 Speaker 2: Albert or story. A lot of people mad at you, 1073 00:54:50,956 --> 00:54:54,796 Speaker 2: thanks for nothing. The Albert Hammond Junior story. 1074 00:54:56,756 --> 00:54:58,676 Speaker 1: Oh that was fun, man. I appreciate it, and I 1075 00:54:58,676 --> 00:55:02,276 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you for the years of music in 1076 00:55:03,036 --> 00:55:04,876 Speaker 1: the in the new solo record. Can't wait to hear 1077 00:55:04,876 --> 00:55:05,716 Speaker 1: the second half. 1078 00:55:05,676 --> 00:55:09,876 Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't wait to just have it out. 1079 00:55:13,156 --> 00:55:15,476 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alberham and Jr. For chatting about his new 1080 00:55:15,636 --> 00:55:19,556 Speaker 1: double album, Melodies on Hiatus. 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